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    Tammy S

    I have found these in 5 or 6 different brands over the past year or so. I stopped buying kibble and started making food but a year later thought I’d try kibble again, same hard slivers in these kibble, too. My babies eat salmon varieties, too. Salmon bones are soft so I’m curious how the chips of other bones get into their kibble. A while ago I did see a review of a kibble where someone posted pics of the exact thing I’m finding, so it’s a thing that needs to be addressed.

    jeanne e

    RAWHIDE STICKS, BONES, CHEWS & other processed chew treats.

    My dog is very sick. BW showed liver level of 950. Normal is about 130 ish. Doing research on the above chew sticks that he loves I came across these toxic ingredients. High liver enzymes can be caused by anything ingested that is toxic. The above, on many different websites showed the following results.
    When tested: Lead, Arsenic, Mercury, Chromium salts, Formaldehyde and other toxic chemicals have been detected in rawhides. So it’s safe to say that any sort of glues can be used as well!
    3-5 days to digest, so whatever given amount, the rawhide with the toxic chemicals sit in their organs and do damage.
    The piece of rawhide may be flexible enough and get broke down by the intestinal tract enough to pass (it can take 3-5 days)

    Farouk F

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    In reply to: High Alt levels


    Stop feeding the Stella & Chewy raw..
    Find a free range human grade raw company or make your own raw diet with human grade raw meats/green veggies.
    Sounds like the raw meat might be high in Toxins, Heavy Metals & Contaminates. Toxins can cause elevated ALT levels??
    This was happening with my boy 2yrs ago when he ate a certain USA kibble he kept having elevated ALT levels..Then this USA pet food company was all over the internet being sued for their kibble being very HIGH IN TOXINS.
    As soon as I changed his diet to a different brand his elevated ALT levels went back to normal.
    My dogs Nutritionist who formulated my dog raw diet said to only use human grade meats I eat, she would NOT let me feed any of these Pre-made raw pet foods.
    It’s worth a try changing diet & see what happens, also your dog needs to be on a large breed puppy diet till 2yrs old so his growing bones don’t grow too quickly & cause joint problems later on, if you have the money find a Nutritionist to balance him a raw diet made from Human grade ingredients + blended green veggies so diet is not too high in calcium and phosphorus & hopefully toxin free…

    Sara G

    Hi, I know this question was several years ago but I just wanted to give you my experience and opinion. I feed my dogs a part raw part kibble diet. I have fed several brands of dog food through the years, and the best one I have ever fed is the Ol Blue Builder. I have fed Diamond Naturals, Victor, Sportmix Premium and the wholesome and I believe Purina at one point. All of theses foods fell short in my opinion for several reasons. The Diamond Naturals made them poop way too much as did the Sportmix Wholesomes. The Sportmix Premium also caused alot of poop and it was very dark and very smelly. I fed the Victor before they changed alot of their recipes and I had no trouble with it but could not tell really any difference in it and the Ol Blue to pay $20 or $30 more a bag. Now about the meat and bone meal issue. All dog foods unless they state that the meat in it is boneless then the beef meal, chicken meal, Pork meal etc has bone meal in it. It must state that the meat is boneless or it does contain bone plain and simple. So even most high end dog foods do contain meat and bone meal they just cover it up and say chicken meal, beef meal, etc. I actually appreciate Ol Blue for being honest about what is in their food and not trying to hide anything. So unfortunately in the dog food world the more it cost does not necessarily mean the food is better quality. Purina is the poster child for this.
    My dogs have all done great on the Ol Blue. Their poop is very firm minimal and doesn’t hardly have any smell. In a day or so after they poop it turns a very light color and will turn to powder if you step on it. This is what happens to dogs fed an all raw diet. So what that tells me is that the food is mostly meat, fat and bones with enough starch to keep the kibble together. Starch has to be present in all kibble to keep it together whether the starch is corn, peas, rice etc. The corn they use is non GMO which I believe does make a difference. They also have 2 recipes that do not contain corn. I have toured the mill talked to the people and seen where it is made. It has never had a recall and everything is sourced locally. My dogs have all done great on it and I have several different breeds and ages. I have tried high dollar dog foods and none of them worked as well as Ol Blue. If you can’t get Ol Blue in your area then Valu Pak Free by Specialty Feeds is also a good feed. It is my second favorite dog food. It is in second place because they poop more after eating it. Hope that helps that’s just experience and opinion on it.

    Brian M

    I have a Ninja blender and I am happy with it. But I have a simpler model that does not grind bones. The brand itself is good, but choose according to your needs. Some models are described here Hope it will help you.


    Good question, Mitch. When it comes to grain-free and/or pea-free diets, we need consider the overall quality of the food and the root cause of taurine deficiency.

    The “grain-free” marketing term refers to processed dry food/kibble that is an extruded, highly processed product; whether it is full of grains or grain-free, it is not healthy.

    The main ingredients in the grain-free diets are often peas, lentils, chickpeas and potatoes — carbohydrates typically intended to replace grains – rather than high-quality meat protein. This explains why some dogs became taurine deficient when fed these diets, as taurine (an essential amino acid that supports heart health) is naturally found in fresh meat and organs.

    So it’s best to avoid most grains and starches (because they are not a natural part of a canine’s diet) and focus on increasing the amount of fresh meat and organs in your dog’s diet to naturally prevent DCM.

    Dogs have much shorter digestive tracts than herbivores and can’t process high-carb foods like grains and starchy carbs very well. This often results in excessive food fermentation and gas.

    You can replace starchy carbs with cooked squash or pumpkin, especially for dogs with digestive upset. Grains (including rice) in general can contribute to IBD. Arsenic toxicity in rice is also a serious problem.

    The best diet is as nature intends; fresh meat, organs and bones with some vegetables and leafy greens. A varied, species-appropriate diet, along with all-natural vitamins, minerals, omega-3’s and probiotics is the way to go.

    It is very rare for a dog to have a taurine deficiency when consuming an unprocessed, fresh food diet because taurine is so readily available in meats and organs. It may need to be supplemented if your dog has been tested as deficient, but overall dogs get enough of this amino acid from fresh food, and from their ability to manufacture it in their own body.

    If you are concerned, connect with your holistic or integrative vet to get your pup tested and you can discuss options together based on the results.

    Here are some links to a quick & easy Natural Diet Course, and an online Recipe Maker that I hope you will find helpful if you want to learn more about alternatives to processed food. Your dog will love you for it! 🙂 Switching from kibble to fresh food was the best decision we made a few years ago to improve our pup’s health and reduce unnecessary vet bills.

    Wishing you and your pup all the best 🙂


    Hi Soph, so great that you switched to a 100% homemade diet for your girl. My pup is about the same size as yours and eggshells didn’t work for him. Bonemeals are often high in toxic heavy metals such as lead, and low-level lead poisoning can damage kidneys, liver and nerves over time so I would be careful with them.

    If you don’t feed any raw bones, you can use GreenMin as the main calcium source. Dr. Dobias has found that dogs who are on GreenMin, and are not consuming any bone in their diet, consistently have results within normal ranges for calcium levels on their hair analysis test.

    Also, please be aware that Balanceit. com provides synthetic vitamin & mineral mixes. I was considering it many years ago when we switched to a homemade diet but I don’t like feeding anything that is NOT natural. There is a big difference in how the body abosorbs nutrients from whole food-based vs synthetic chemical-based supplements.

    We have been using the Fab4 (GreenMin, SoulFood, GutSense, and FeelGood Omega) for many years and our dog loves them. He is super healthy at the age of 10 and we are very grateful for Dr. Dobias and his pure products.

    These natural supplements are like wholesome food, the body recognizes them as such and only absorbs what it requires. As every dog has slightly different nutritional requirements, it’s best to provide a wide variety of nutrients to support the body. Here is what we add to our pup’s homemade diet to fill in any nutritional gaps.

    GreenMin, as a source of plant-based minerals, calcium, amino-acids, and super greens
    SoulFood, as a certified organic multivitamin with additional organ support components
    GutSense, as a source of dog specific certified organic probiotics
    FeelGood Omega, to supplement Essential Fatty Acids (omega 3s) – Sardines can be high in toxic strontium!

    In a perfect world, a wide variety of food would keep your dog’s body nourished and no supplements would be required. The problem is, due to intensive agriculture, minerals and nutrients do not get recycled back into the soil, leading to a lack of minerals in the whole food chain.

    I encourage you to do your own research and only choose the highest quality products for your dog. They deserve the best! 🙂


    Hello,everyone,first post here…
    I’m going to attempt the homemade food as well when my small breed puppy comes home but I think for me, the veggies in purée form will be easier on their tummies and I’ll skip the root vegetables and just give him mostly leafy greens/some herbs and skip the rice as well and go with quinoa,millet and similar grains.
    I’ll have to find a local butcher and maybe get “whole” ground turkey,rabbit,goat…etc,including bones and also use the kidneys, liver and hearts, but getting the ratios right is going to be the most challenging,especially for a puppy.I’d like to give him something different every day,ideally, because I think variety is key.Egg shells (calcium) and some sort of supplement will also be part of the diet.
    Another option would be maybe using the “base mixes” like the Honest Kitchen ones and adding the protein to it to start the puppy off and then switch to home cooked only,….if he does well.
    No kibble will ever be used in his diet, never have with any of my pets.
    I hope I get this right cause I want my new baby to live a long and happy life.
    Any advise would be greatly appreciated.



    In reply to: Short Bowel Syndrome


    Hi Andree,
    What does your vet say about 8 to 9 bouts of diarrhea a day- Grade 7.
    You need to work out does she do better on a lower fiber diet -2% under fiber or a higher fiber food -7%+ fiber,
    What is the fiber % what she is eating now? Is it Royal Canin Hypoallergenic vet diet?? is it a low fiber diet-1% fiber??
    Also if she is a Large Breed puppy then she needs a large breed puppy kibble so her bones don’t grow to quickly causing Osteoarthritis & joint problems.
    Tell vet the vet diet he/she prescribed is NOT helping your dog, you can also call/email Hills, Royal Canin they have Vet Nutritionist who can advise on what is the best vet diet for double intestine recession and introplacation of the intestine?
    A vet nutritionist will probably know a bit more about diet then your vet knows about nutrition.

    My boy suffers IBD I found grain free – Potato kibbles work best for Patch- NO Lentils, Lentils can cause intestinal stress.
    Wellness Core L/B Wellness Complete Health Large Breed kibbles
    Canidae All Life Stages, Large Breed Turkey Meal & Brown Rice kibble.

    Maybe a raw diet would be best if she cant handle Fiber, or those dog rolls sold in pet fridge section.
    You never put up your F/B group name.



    Just to clear up any misunderstandings here WondrousPups your suggestions have been great but Susan does have a valid point. When you have a dog with a really sensitive digestive system even the best supplements and whole foods can cause them distress. I personally have gastroparesis and I cannot handle turmeric in any capacity. I don’t think Susan was trying to discredit the benefits, I think she has a lot of valuable experience. Having a “mystery” case dog is extremely stressful. I have tried a home cooked diet and raw diet and I did not experience any of the benefits of it for my dog. The people in the raw feeding facebook group treated me extremely harshly and insisted my dog needed to detox further even though she was slowly becoming skin and bones. Please be sensitive to that! We are trying so hard.

    Susan unfortunately the endoscope and biopsy are out of my price range at the moment 🙁 I am getting an affordable second opinion with a telehealth visit with a vet from Barcelona, I’m looking forward to what she may think. Your vet made an EXCELLENT point- IBD can occur anywhere along the digestive tract, just because a dog isn’t having diarrhea or vomiting does not mean they don’t have IBD.

    Also, lastly, (Patricia A) my vet said my dog could have IBD and we could certainly try the Hills IBD diet if I wanted to go down that road but she really didn’t seem convinced that it was. So there’s really no official actual diagnosis besides anxiety/stress. But I would classify her symptoms as some form of IBD or IBS – ravenous hunger, inability to digest anything besides kibble, poor fat digestion, resulting weak immunity, in the past she had chronic regurgitation as well.

    Oliver W

    Hey. There are many articles on the Internet on this topic. But they all advise against giving bones to dogs. Because bones can injure the intestines when, and even puncture it. And often dogs choke on such bones

    rhodes J

    Hi Everyone
    Biologically Appropriate Raw Food, or BARF, is formulated to closely match the canine diet that nature intended.
    It’s a modern spin on your dog’s ancient roots.
    While they may be far removed from their wild canine ancestors, your dog still has the inherited traits that allow them to break down fresh meat to keep their body running strong.
    A diet of muscle meat, bones, and organs, plus eggs and fish, imitates the prey your dog would eat in the wild.
    Additions like select fruit, veggies, and seeds fill in nutritional gaps so your dog can get a more fortifying diet than their ancestors ever did.
    I used this for the better protein diet of my dog & it shows significant change
    Dog Raw Food Diet Plan


    In reply to: Where to start?


    Hi Jessica,

    So awesome that you are switching to fresh food! Your pups are very lucky to have you!! 🙂

    We switched to home-made meals many years ago and it was the best decision to support our dog’s health. I am happy to share some resources that have been super helpful in guiding us to prepare balanced, home-cooked, and raw meals.

    To learn the basics, I suggest you start with this quick and easy Natural Diet Course which contains videos and articles full of information on this subject;

    This online Recipe Maker will help you build healthy meals for your dogs with the ingredients you have available. It provides guidance on amounts of each ingredient and which ingredients are best;

    The key is to offer a variety of both proteins and vegetables and add essential nutrients (non-synthetic, wholefood-based supplements) to help fill in any nutritional deficiencies;

    When it comes to recommendations on where to purchase high-quality meat and bones, it’s difficult to provide specific options as that will vary depending on where you live. I have some general advice that I would like to share and hope you find helpful.

    Connecting with your local butcher is a great option, but you can always go to the supermarket as most meat departments have butchers working on site.

    Bones that we are looking to feed our dogs are not often packaged for the display shelves. If you chat with them, they might have something you are looking for or can work with you to put it aside next time.

    Some people that live in the country connect with local farmers or those that have friends or family that go hunting for a game could potentially give you items that they would discard when they are processing meat.

    Pet stores are beginning to carry more natural food including stocking freezers with various bones and brands of pre-packaged, raw dog food. Unfortunately many primarily carry a lot of big beef marrow bones which are very hard and can lead to teeth fractures. On speaking to the pet store owner about what you are looking for, they are more likely to carry alternatives if they know that people want to buy them.

    There are many Raw Food suppliers that ship nationwide and you can also try to connect with dog lovers in your area in person or online through Facebook groups etc to see if they have suggestions.

    I hope you find the above information useful for your beloved dogs. Wishing you a great rest of the week! 🙂


    Hi Jake,

    I am sorry to hear that you are going through this with your beloved pup, and understand that you would like to provide him with some immediate relief.

    Allergies and skin problems are often the signals that the body is out of balance. Dr. Dobias has written several articles on the topics of allergies and paw licking that I have shared with you below. Many dog lovers are surprised to learn about the underlying cause of these common issues and the natural protocols that can be super helpful.




    Apoquel can look like a miracle for dogs with allergies and their human companions watching them itch, however the negative effects of this drug are now well documented.

    I recommend that you seek the guidance of a local holistic/integrative vet to help you with alternative treatment options and also have your dog’s spine checked by a chiropractor – as issues with spinal health are related to skin problems in dogs. I have included some links to help you find holistic practitioners in your area:

    Regarding diet, it’s best to avoid processed food (kibble and canned food) entirely and provide a fresh, raw or cooked diet for your dog. Dry dog food/kibble is is an extruded, highly processed product full of synthetic ingredients and starchy carbohydrates, which are very often the main cause of allergies. Every medical professional knows that fresh food is always healthier than processed food!

    Fine tuning your dog’s body with a species appropriate diet and essential nutrients is the key to supporting his health and well-being. The best diet is as nature intends; fresh meat and bones with some vegetables and leafy greens, along with all natural vitamins, minerals, omega-3’s and probiotics;

    Here is a link to a quick and easy Natural Diet Course which contains videos and articles full of information on this subject and an online Recipe Maker which will help you build healthy meals for your pup with the ingredients you have available:

    We switched to home-made meals many years ago and it was the best decision for our pup. I hope you will find these free resources helpful and wish you and your boy the best in good health.



    In reply to: Hydrolyzed Diet

    Dylan O

    Has anyone tried an alternative to a hydrolyzed diet?

    Here it is described in section 6.

    • This reply was modified 1 year ago by Dylan O.
    Scarlett B

    Unless you are rich, this food is utterly unaffordable, except as a very infrequent treat. We have 11 rescues. They range from 11 to 90 pounds. Short of winning the lottery, it would be impossible for us to feed this. Even if we only had one muzzle to feed, it would still be cost prohibitive. Instead, we stick with a well rated dry and canned food brand (not grain-fee), every now and then I steam several pounds of cabbage, carrots, squash or other veggies and add them to their food, dollop of pureed pumpkin and after cutting up a whole chicken, I boil the left over parts several times, strip all the meat off the bones and top their kibble as a special treat. They also love fresh apples, tangerines, bananas, watermelon and Momo is especially fond of mango. At least this way I know what they are eating…Dr. Marty’s is more like a mystery meal….


    In reply to: Short Bowel Syndrome


    Hi Eszter, and everyone else:

    First of, hope everyone is doing fine and staying at home. We are facing difficult times, but Im sure we will all get by in a couple of weeks (or months, depending on the evolution of a number of facts that right now are very unpredictable). Here in Brazil, and in my city Rio de Janeiro, the government has imposed rigorous restrictions, which part of society has been collaborative, and another part is just simply not aware of how serious this is. All in all, we have started our quarantine in a very early stage, and we are all hoping this will bring us a positive outcome in the medium-long turn.

    As for your dog Eszter, I am very glad he has overcome all of these surgeries and is out of risk. In our case, my Border Collie (Maui) had a really really hard time with the post-surgical phase – we really did not know he would survive at all. He had aprox. 75% of his small intestines removed (basically all of his jejunum and ileum – only his duodenum was kept). In Brazil there were no registered cases of survival for dogs/cats that had this amount of small intestines removed, so he is really the first recorded case here – which is a victory, but was REALLY hard since we had NO IDEA of how to handle the first couple of months.

    Since his ileum was removed, we did in fact suffer with his fesses. In the first two months, he went to the bathroom on average 20x a day, in practically liquid form. He lost A LOT of weight since the first surgery (he had 3 in total), and after his 1 month hospitalization, he only weighted 9kgs! (he started with 17kgs). He was practically skin and bones.

    Now, it has been almost 2 years since he was released from the clinic, and since then we had a LONG JOURNEY. But this is a story of success, and now Maui is VERY strong. He weights 21kgs, all of his vitamins are great, and he goes to the bathroom 2 or 3 x a day! His stool is still very mushy.. the first one of the day, we can collect, the other 2, is king of a puree.. which makes is hard, however, since he got his ileum removed, there is almost no expectation that his stool will someday get back to being 100% “collectable”. He does ingest and absorb most of the good vitamins, what is the best part and it very clear since he is healthy, strong and his exams are all good.

    It is hard to say exactly what will be best for your puppy… since every case is singular, but in our experience some things were essential for this positive outcome:

    1) cooked Home food instead of kibble: We cook it weekly . Daily portion is about 1.2kgs (separated in 3x of 400g each). In summary each portion contains 1/3 meat without fat (in Brazil we use a meat called “Patinho” and “coxão mole” and “lagarto” – all red meat. We tried giving him chicken, but it led to 3 or 4 infections or gastroenteritis, so we never tried again. Fish was also ok, but I though he did not gain weight); 1/3 carbohydrates basically sweet potato, cassava, and a little of parboiled rice, and 1/3 vegetables: carrot, chayote, zucchini, beets, spinach or kale, string bean…

    2) Pancreatin: With every meal, we give him a capsule of Pancreatin. Humam type (

    3) Food supplements: With every meal, we give him a serving (In Brazil, we use the brand called Food Dog :

    4) Probiotics: it really depends on your dog which type is best, and the amounts…

    5) B12 vitamin replacement: in the beggining every week, and now he takes the shot every 1 or 2 months;

    6) Metronizadol (in Brazil, called “Flagyl”): Initially I think he took 400mg per day. Now he takes 250mg every 3 days – which is still a lot, but it keeps him from getting intestinal infections.

    I think this is it. If you wish to send me an e-mail, please feel free. I had great help from Karen and Abby (they are part of this forum too). We exchanged many many emails, info and experiences since both of our dogs had similar problems – this was a HUGE relief for me and I am very VERY thankful for all the help I had from them.

    Wish all of you the best,
    Stefanie and Maui
    email: [email protected]
    ********* account: @brotherscolliebr


    Octopus B –
    You mentioned that your dog already gets chicken necks? If you happen to only give her one, can you increase that to 2 (given that she’s over 35lbs)? Or one every day?

    I ask because I always found that anal gland issues involve the dog not being able to express them naturally because the stool is usually too soft. My dog had to get her glands expressed once a month, and if I’d know to give her foods that would produce firmer stools, I wouldn’t have wasted so much money getting them expressed at the vet’s!

    Since I’ve switched my dog over to raw this past year, her poop is way firmer, and I know this is gonna sound so gross, but I can actually SEE the gland fluid dripping as she goes…not always, but occasionally. It’s a few drops, and then her actual poop. Also, no more butt scoots as well.

    You can try other foods first or try what your vet recommended, but really, I think it’s a matter of firming up the stool so that the glands express naturally. Pumpkin, owelo carrots, and raw meaty bones help firm up poop.

    And lastly, giving the chicken necks works as a natural toothbrush for dogs – if you give necks often, you may not need to give her the CET treats, which have ingredients that look a little ugh, IMO.

    • This reply was modified 1 year, 2 months ago by Birdie30.

    I would avoid it because fish bones can be very dangerous. I’d rather find a different food, the good thing is there are plenty of options that don’t pose such a risk.


    ” I buy a rotisserie chicken, take the skin, bones, gristle out and shred it/chop it up finely”

    Terrible idea. I would consult another vet (in real life not on the internet)
    Rotisserie chicken is a processed food loaded with salt, msg, and a bunch of other chemicals.

    I would not feed it to a human I cared for, never mind a pet.
    Health conscious folks will not touch rotisserie chicken. The msg makes it very addictive.
    Oh, msg has several different names, so you won’t find it on the ingredient list.

    Andrea V

    My husky puppy is now 17 weeks old and has been diarrhea free for the first time since I took her home at 8 weeks. We tried all kinds of puppy chow, soft and kibble, tested over and over for parasites. I was up at night and all day trying to take care of her needs and she was clearly uncomfortable. Finally read about some homemade dog food, and discovered a simple recipe I have been feeding her and she has now been producing excellent, normal BMs. I buy a rotisserie chicken, take the skin, bones, gristle out and shred it/chop it up finely, cook 2 sweet potatoes (medium size) in the microwave on the potato setting, cool and mash it with a fork, and cook 1/2 cup of Cream of Rice cereal with 2 cups of water, adding salt to the water, and a tablespoon of butter to the cooked cereal. Let it all cool, mix it up, and divide it into three or four portions. My dog eats a lot, maybe because she is still underweight. She has been diarrhea free for 10 days. This has helped her enormously, although it is very time consuming to put together these meals. I can now supplement (last 3 or 4 days) with the Pedigree dry kibble my 8 year old Lab eats, and plain (not flavored or food colored) Milk Bones in the Small size. I have been working closely with our vets during this time. It is just so bewildering to see a little puppy so overcome with diarrhea. Hope this helps someone.

    Ashley A

    Hi there forum!

    I brought my dog to the vet since she was suffering with some pain. They ran her blood for her pain meds and had to send to a lab since there was a lot of fat in her blood / high cholesterol.

    I feed ground whole prey raw in the morning with organic canned pumpkin, hemp oil and pro/prebiotic.
    In the evening I feed RMB, usually chicken feet/necks/rabbit feet/whole prey etc, with hemp oil and organic canned pumpkin.

    She chews on bully sticks quite often but I factor her bones into her overall daily calories usually. Please let me know if you have any advice.

    To the person who comments and says your dog shouldn’t be on raw, please move along. Thanks!


    In reply to: Eating Raw Meaty Bones

    Jerry R

    NEVER COOKED BONES! Raw only. Almost any poultry bones are soft enough for any dog to chew up and digest. I avoid turkey drumsticks as they are considerably harder for my little guy. I do let him chew the raw meast off them but the bones seem to be too hard. Turkey wings he puts away no problem.
    Chicken feet on the other hand he chews on and swallows whole once he has them crunched up. He just put away 2 of them in less than 30 minutes. Those are his treats.
    Excellent source of glucosamine and chondroitin. Glucosamine is a drug your vet will prescribe for arthritis btw. Avoid the need for such intervention by feeding it to your dog BEFORE he suffers such a painful condition.

    • This reply was modified 1 year, 5 months ago by Jerry R.

    In reply to: Eating Raw Meaty Bones

    Laura A

    This has been always been a very Debatable topic whether raw food is more beneficial than the cooked food? Some will have you believe that cooked dog food is superior to raw dog food because raw dog food brings the risk of illness due to bacteria Current research supports that there are benefits to real ingredients. The Best option to this Solution is Try out some Branded pet food as they are excellent alternative of cooked food as it contains all the nutrients in exact proportion. Also, it does not contain any harmful pathogen. Here is a link to one: In my opinion I agree that dogs and bones could be a possible dangerous combination. Try choosing safe chew bones for dogs and avoid the dangers of cooked bones.

    • This reply was modified 1 year, 5 months ago by Laura A. Reason: error

    In reply to: Eating Raw Meaty Bones


    Hope this article helps some of the readers

    Dogs and Bones: A Dangerous Combination

    Dogs have been chewing on bones for thousands of years. This is what nature intended, right? Well maybe, but it’s an activity that is not without its risks.

    As a veterinarian, I’ve seen the ill-effects of feeding dogs bones more times than I can count. The risks are significant enough that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has even gotten involved by posting the following “10 reasons why it’s a bad idea to give your dog a bone” on their Consumer Updates website.

    Broken teeth. This may call for expensive veterinary dentistry.

    Mouth or tongue injuries. These can be very bloody and messy and may require a trip to see your veterinarian.

    Bone gets looped around your dog’s lower jaw. This can be frightening or painful for your dog and potentially costly to you, as it usually means a trip to see your veterinarian.

    Bone gets stuck in esophagus, the tube that food travels through to reach the stomach. Your dog may gag, trying to bring the bone back up, and will need to see your veterinarian.

    Bone gets stuck in windpipe. This may happen if your dog accidentally inhales a small enough piece of bone. This is an emergency because your dog will have trouble breathing. Get your pet to your veterinarian immediately!

    Bone gets stuck in stomach. It went down just fine, but the bone may be too big to pass out of the stomach and into the intestines. Depending on the bone’s size, your dog may need surgery or upper gastrointestinal endoscopy — a procedure in which your veterinarian uses a long tube with a built-in camera and grabbing tools — to try to remove the bone from the stomach.

    Bone gets stuck in intestines. This will cause a blockage and it may be time for surgery.

    Constipation due to bone fragments. Your dog may have a hard time passing the bone fragments because they’re very sharp and they scrape the inside of the large intestine or rectum as they move along. This causes severe pain and may require a visit to your veterinarian.

    Severe bleeding from the rectum. This is very messy and can be dangerous. It’s time for a trip to see your veterinarian.

    Peritonitis. This nasty, difficult-to-treat bacterial infection of the abdomen is caused when bone fragments poke holes in your dog’s stomach or intestines. Your dog needs an emergency visit to your veterinarian as peritonitis can kill your dog.

    I look at feeding bones in the same way I do letting dogs run loose. Is it natural? Yes. Do dogs like it? Yes. Are there some potential benefits? Yes … until misfortune strikes. There are many ways to safely satisfy your dog’s desire to chew (e.g., toys made out of twisted rope fibers or dense rubber), to promote dental hygiene (e.g., daily tooth brushing or dental diets), and to provide your dog with the high-quality foods and balanced nutrition he needs to stay healthy.
    Dr. Jennifer Coates

    Jerry R

    Disregard the unfounded nonsense about raw. My pup wouldn’t eat kibble either. After months of trying every good dog food under the sun, I finally realized he’s smarter than I thought. He knows that crap kibble is bad and being the spoiled, stubborn dachshund that he is, he knew I’d get it sooner or later.
    Now he’s a happy, healthy 18 month old that eats raw meat, meaty bones, and organs. Everything he needs and none of the crap he doesn’t that kibble is full of.

    • This reply was modified 1 year, 5 months ago by Jerry R.

    In reply to: Starting Raw

    Jerry R

    The vast majority of vets have little to no experience in pet nutrition. The little they do have is what kibble companies that pay for their education tell them. This is no BS either.
    Science diet is a major contributor to their education which clearly explains how such a poor dog food can be #1 vet recomended.
    Don’t let people like anonymous contribute to these myths about raw feeding and meaty bones.
    Vets are counting on exactly that because feeding raw significantly cuts into their livlihood in greatly reduced vet visits for health issues from allergies to arthritis.
    My 18 month old red longhaired dachshund recently got an A++ clean bill of health from his dr. after a brief exam while getting his rabies booster giving mention to his very healthy skin and coat and unusually clean, white chompers not normally seen in his breed.

    • This reply was modified 1 year, 5 months ago by Jerry R.

    In reply to: Eating Raw Meaty Bones

    Jerry R

    That explains it…educated in vet medicine.
    They could get hit by a car too. You’re barking up the wrong tree. No pun intended.

    One of many vets that say otherwise. Including mine.


    Topic: Starting Raw

    in forum Raw Dog Food
    Daniel B

    Hello All,
    I’m interested in starting raw feeding my 45 pound, 2 year old, neutered, mid activity, healthy golden doodle.

    My desire is to make about 2 weeks’ worth of meals for him at one time and then vacuum seal them in bags and freeze them.

    I’d like to have chicken (bones, skin, organs, and fat), boiled sweet potatoes and carrots, human grade fish oil and sunflower oil, and a couple of eggs with the shell. Lastly I’d like to add a bit of seaweed and flaxseed all ground up and vacuum sealed for easy storage.

    From my research it seems like all of these ingredients together should provide a very healthy daily meal for my best buddy.

    The place I’m running into issues is how much of each of these ingredients I should do for a healthy daily meal. Can anyone give me some pointers or a place to go for more help?



    In reply to: Eating Raw Meaty Bones


    Yes, they (wolves) die young and suffer greatly from broken teeth, infection, bowel obstruction, ,etc.
    They also suffer and die from malnutrition and parasitic diseases. Alone, deep in the woods.

    Bones are dangerous for dogs, anyone who is educated in veterinary medicine knows that.


    In reply to: Water Additives?

    Marcie D

    I use a toothbrush and dog enzymatic toothpaste but I am bad and I only brush when we are grooming however I have fed Oma’s pride raw pet diets for over 20 years and my last dogs were 16, never had their teeth cleaned and their teeth were white and breath fresh. I also give raw bones when they are lying around outside. When we are going in I take the bones, wash them off under the hose and put them back in a plastic bag in the freezer. I have an 11 year old mix, 10 year old GSD, 6 year old GSD and all are on raw, get bones occasionally and they all have the same white teeth and great breath. After I learned how to clean their teeth in college for Veterinary technology, I said I would never do that again to my dogs. Sorry Vets, I realize how necessary it is for many dogs but I think I have found a better way, at least for us. 🙂


    In reply to: Eating Raw Meaty Bones

    Jerry R

    I wonder what all the wolves do when they need an ER from eating bones? Must be a lot of dead ones out there from this dangerous practice.
    Mine chews them thoroughly and is always supervised.
    Did you know more dogs choke on dry kibble than they do bones?


    In reply to: Eating Raw Meaty Bones


    Make sure you have the phone number and directions to the nearest emergency veterinary clinic handy for you or anyone else that wishes to engage in this risky practice “raw meaty bones”.
    I speak from experience.
    Best of luck!


    In reply to: Eating Raw Meaty Bones

    Jerry R

    My 18lb dachshund has no problems with working the marrow out af far as he can in the bigger beef bones.
    Loves the turkey wings too. I break them into 3 pieces. He likes the very end best and that 4-5″ wing tip is gone in 20 minutes.
    He’s a hunter by nature so he’s right at home eating these bones, cartilage, and all.
    One of these days he’s going to catch one of these squirrels and have a real treat. If he wasn’t fenced in he would have already.


    In reply to: Freshly killed food

    Hav mom

    I agree Chipy! I had to reread Dr. Dobias on the raw bone feedings. I bought one from my butcher and when I got home
    was going to let my dog have it. Something made me recheck Dr. Dobias site and yep, freeze for at last 7 days due to
    the possibility of tapeworms no matter where the raw meat or bones came from. Good Advice, I won’t forget that
    again. By the way, do you use his supplements if I may ask????


    In reply to: New to raw feeding

    Jerry R

    I switched to raw for my 16 month old red longhaired dachshund after much research and him not liking any kibble I bought for him. Maybe he’s smarter than I think. He is spoiled. I feed him from the grocery store and meat market. He loves chicken and a drumstick/thigh is more than a meal for him.
    He works at it for an hour(skin, bones, and all).
    He gets chicken feet to chew on for a treat. He’ll crunch it up for 30-45 minuted and swallow it.
    He gets turkey wings too. One of them is 3 meals for him!
    Pig tails, chicken and turkey gizzards and hearts, a little lamb liver I bought 10lbs. of for $8 .
    Beef and lamb when reduced for quick sale is a great way to offer variety.
    He’s as healthy as can be. And those chicken feet are very high in glucosamine for joint health. Great for reducing the effects of and preventing arthritis. Cleans their teeth too.
    I try to follow these basic rules but I not naive enough to believe that every meal needs to be properly balanced.
    60% lean muscle meat
    20 % organ meat(5% liver)
    20% bones, cartilage
    He gets everything he needs and none of the crap he doesn’t. Firmer poop and far less of it and it doesn’t stink to high heaven. Clean teeth.
    I use common sense in ths hygiene dept. and don’t use rotten meat like I’m sure kibble has.

    william M

    Hi Nadia,
    without sounding too condescending to many of the other comments out here in regards to this subject, I would like you to consider just one piece of advice. Common sense rules the day. You have a wolf descendant. I know it’s playful and happy and very loving, but it’s DNA doesnt respond to feelings, it operates on a genetic map. That said, making the food is a great way to see significant health benefits in your pet.
    I have had 47 different dogs in my 55 years of life. All have been mid to large dog breeds and all but a very few have been small lap type animals. With that also came a need for them to do what they did best…work. Whether that was herding, hunting or retrieving. Since I was a kid we had always maintained a crock pot for our dogs.
    You dont have to spend an exorbitant amount either. Watch safeway, or your favorite grocery store for the managers deals. Safeway always has chicken leg quarters or whole chickens on sale when they are too close to pull date for 30% to 50% off.That means the chicken is less than a dollar a pound and in many cases even less. If you have a walmart superstore close by, they have frozen 10 pound bags of leg quarters for 5.99 per bag. Thats around 60 cents a pound….thats fantastic. I can get one bag into the 6.5 quart crock pot. when its done I peel it from the bone and bag it. Other times I just leave it and let the dogs go for it. Mine have learned to eat the bone so they get the benefit of the marrow and calcium and nutrient in the bone. Other times I will cook the bones for one more day and then throw them in the blender, you get a milky brown meal that you can add to a good kibble for a really high protein and calcium rich treat. You can also find pork and beef cheap as well. Never hurts to hook up with a local butcher to obtain the afal(that the intestinal and organ meat). You can usually get the tendon and connective bits from legs and bone for free or very cheap. adding in potatoe , apple , pear carrot is acceptable. Keep in mind anything dog will gnaw on in a yard (food wise) generally will work in their food. Dogs eat grass for two reasons, to settle their stomach or to get water. In other words, be creative and let the critter have the real deal.

    Jerry R

    And draining grease isn’t necessary if you don’t cook it in the first place. You’re just removing too many nutrients just like the heat process of all kibbles do. Raw meat and bones including organs. I’ll never go back to commercial dog food of any kind. My dachshund has never been healthier and no more diarrhea.
    I’m glad I went prey after a problem of him not caring for any dog food I bought him. Maybe they know what’s best for them.

    Jerry R

    Ground egg shells from commercial eggs also contain pesticides.
    I’ve gone to pretty much all prey. I do occasionally mix fresh veggies but my dachshund doesn’t much care for them. Fruits seem to go right thru him if I can even get him to eat any so I much bother.
    Given the right amounts of organ meat they really aren’t critical anyway.
    Chicken feet are great for joint health and teeth cleaning. So are wings, necks.
    I’m still getting into the groove so to speak but for the most part, I trust his judgement too. If he turns his nose up and walks away…yeah he’s a spoiled brat!
    Grinding chicken and turkey bones is totally unnecessary. Except maybe turkey drumsticks. They’re too hard.
    My boy chews most poultry bones right up and he’s a 17lb. Dachshund.


    In reply to: Eating Raw Meaty Bones

    william M

    The controversy isnt one. Kind of like my 78 year old vet. He’s convinced raw is terrible, chicken bones deadly and most other bones and basic meats a waste of money and time , and would love to see my hounds on some science diet scam. I’ll pose to all for you the same question I do to him….When have you found a dead coyote or wolf with a chicken bone in their throat? Same goes for every other wild carnivore eating my chickens from skunk and coons to weasels and fishers. Time to pull the collective head out of our dark holes and realize, your DOG is a canis Lupus. That means wolf from the get go, or wild dog. they do well with raw as well as cooked meats. They love the awful (body cavity parts especially liver, kidney, lungs, heart etc.) and all the connective sinew on the bones and joints. Does their teeth and general oral health immense good.
    All this said, let me just qualify my “EXPERT STATUS” as it were. I have raised and managed over 1200 head of beef cattle for several years for market, Had ranches and farms with EVERYTHING from waterfowl to ginnies. I am 55 and have had various breeds of dog from cockapoo’s to almost every breed and crossbreed of hound from germans to pointer to my latest and likely most clearly bred WALKER coon. All have been working hounds i.e. hunting or herding. I have always maintained one large crockpot for my dogs. I will say I have found one minor issue with my dogs and raw meats, and it’s the same for all wild critters….they get a taste for the raw meat of whatever they are eating. So if your raising chickens, best not to give too much raw chicken unless your discipline style with your dogs far exceeds their need to eat chicken. Just saying. Natural law dictates your dogs DNA drive to hunt, kill or just the desire to sniff and retrieve. Play up those traits based on the breed you got and they will be happy, healthy and live (in some cases) longer than you may think. End note… I have had dogs I would use to move cattle for miles with, or hunt for days with, but they were the worse house pets! And every one of them thought they were a lap dog when in the house! Hopes this helps a few on the fence about raw or cooked or processed foods. We use taste of the wild dry kibble as their 24/7 go to if they are peckish. They get a meat and some potatoe or squash mixed “wet or real food” once a day. I make my own with the crock pot and it varies from week to week from chicken to rabbit to beef and pork…..with the occasional venison or elk thrown in as a treat with livers, kidneys and heart and gizzard thrown in. Always good to check with the local stores to pick up all these items when they are close to pull dates and you can get them for up to 50% off. Wallmart carries 10lb frozen leg quarters fo 5.95 per bag. Thats .59 cents per pound for dark meat chicken….my dogs love it and between the two it serves them for a week. Hope all this helps.


    In reply to: Raw Puppy Diets

    Patricia A

    Not sure about kibble but I know raw or freeze dried Primal is all life stages. Their website lets you put in quick info and calculates approx. how many nuggets to feed for puppy of a certain age.

    In the wild, when puppies reach 4-5 weeks of age, the mother dog will naturally begin to regurgitate some of her raw foods for her puppies to consume. Thus, when domestically reared puppies reach approximately 4-5 weeks of age, you can begin introducing them to Primal Canine Formulas. Puppies should be fed one to two small (1-2 teaspoons) raw-food meals daily in conjunction with either the milk they consume from nursing and/or other foods you may be supplementing. Puppies should always be fed from separate bowls, as competitive feeding can promote overeating and indigestion. Gradually increase the quantity of Primal Canine Formulas foods every 2-3 days until 8 weeks of age, when the puppies are consuming two tablespoons of Primal Canine Formulas twice daily. At this point (8 weeks), the puppies should be fully weaned and can be fed a diet solely of Primal Canine Formulas and raw meaty bones. Puppies 8 weeks of age and older should be fed approximately 4-8% of their body weight daily in Primal Canine Formulas. Factors such as breed, overall health and level of activity play a part in the necessary feeding quantities of all puppies. Please be sure to monitor your puppy’s dietary needs and adjust the feeding quantities accordingly.


    In reply to: Raw Puppy Diets

    Patricia A

    Mona the only difference in the puppy Stella’s freeze dried is the size which has smaller patties. So the feeding guideline on back of bag is suggestive amounts of patties to feed for poundage of puppy. I accidentally purchased the puppy bag of freeze dried once. I called and asked if it would be okay to feed my adult dog and they assured me that the ingredients are the same as in adult formulas. Just smaller so I would have to give more for the calories she needed. Hope this helps. I also got mine used to Primal freeze dried which they also do very well with. hope this helps.

    I also want to add that ALL I believe of Stella’s Chewy’s freeze dried is Hpp processed. Companies that make raw food for pets primarily use two methods to insure the safety of their products. … Raw pet food maker Stella & Chewy’s uses both high pressure pasteurization (HPP) and UV technology to deliver a pathogen-free finished product. The company has patented their system.
    Primal freeze dired also uses hpp in some of their flavors. I stick to the turkey/sardine and duck.Primal will be implementing High-Pressure Processing (HPP) into our product line beginning the week of June 6th, 2011 for poultry products only. Poultry products utilizing HPP will be designated by a code date of 070812 or later. Red meat products will not be utilizing HPP. Below is a complete list of products utilizing HPP, as well as non-HPP products.
    HPP Products
    Canine Formulas: Chicken, Duck, Pheasant, Quail, Turkey & Sardine
    Feline Formulas: Chicken & Salmon, Duck, Pheasant, Quail, Turkey
    Mixes and Grinds: Chicken, Turkey
    All Raw Meaty Bones: Chicken Backs, Chicken Necks, Chicken Wings, Turkey Necks
    Non-HPP Products
    Canine Formulas: Beef, Lamb, Pork, Rabbit, Venison
    Feline Formulas: Beef & Salmon, Pork, Rabbit, Venison
    Mixes and Grinds: Beef, Lamb, Pork, Sardine
    Raw Goat Milk
    Bone Broth: All Bone Broth
    Recreational Bones: All Recreational Bones
    Primal Treats: All Primal Treats

    • This reply was modified 1 year, 6 months ago by Patricia A.
    Patricia A

    Which Primal Pet Foods products utilize HPP?
    Modified on: Tue, 11 Sep, 2018 at 3:09 PM

    Primal will be implementing High-Pressure Processing (HPP) into our product line beginning the week of June 6th, 2011 for poultry products only. Poultry products utilizing HPP will be designated by a code date of 070812 or later. Red meat products will not be utilizing HPP. Below is a complete list of products utilizing HPP, as well as non-HPP products.

    HPP Products
    Canine Formulas: Chicken, Duck, Pheasant, Quail, Turkey & Sardine
    Feline Formulas: Chicken & Salmon, Duck, Pheasant, Quail, Turkey
    Mixes and Grinds: Chicken, Turkey
    All Raw Meaty Bones: Chicken Backs, Chicken Necks, Chicken Wings, Turkey Necks

    Non-HPP Products
    Canine Formulas: Beef, Lamb, Pork, Rabbit, Venison
    Feline Formulas: Beef & Salmon, Pork, Rabbit, Venison
    Mixes and Grinds: Beef, Lamb, Pork, Sardine
    Raw Goat Milk
    Bone Broth: All Bone Broth
    Recreational Bones: All Recreational Bones
    Primal Treats: All Primal Treats
    Supporters of HPP claim the process leads to…

    A safer product. It’s been shown that the HPP process is effective at eliminating most food-borne germs such as Salmonella, E. coli, and Listeria with little change in the nutritional value of the end product.2

    A fresher product. HPP destroys the microorganisms that cause spoilage which, in turn, increases the shelf life of the product.2

    Patricia A
    Cory E

    Hi there,

    For one, you shouldn’t give your dog raw food or bone. Here’s why: In a nutshell, raw food may contain salmonelly, and E-coli.

    Secondly, you should be careful and avoid giving him raw bone or any kind of bone for that matter. Bones are a choking hazard to dogs despite the perception that dogs are keen on eating bones.

    I would suggest to ask the vet the best diet plan for your dog, and how much meat/steak he should have per week.


    Hi Suraj,
    a pocket size Bully is small dog, is he active?? I would be feeding him a small breed PUPPY formula.
    I have an English Staffordshire Bull Terrier (Staffy) he has a body of a bully all muscle & he’s only 30cm high..

    Normally small breeds are more active then large breed dogs & small breeds use up more energy..
    Large Breed adult formulas are normally lower in fat & lower fiber for a large breed bowel as they are more prone to Bloat then a small breed is, my boy has IBD & I feed Patch Large Breed formulas they seem to help with his IBD
    I rotate his kibbles & he eats “Wellness Core large Breed Adult” kibble, its lower in fat, DHA, Glucosamine & Chondroitin is higher for large breed joints & bones…
    also start adding 10% fresh ingredients to his diet or use a training treats & make sure you socialize your new pup.. also Goats milk is very healthy & good for keeping their stomach healthy


    In reply to: New to raw feeding

    Jan S

    Raw feeding is an excellent way to feed your dog. Ground up chicken thighs are easy to serve in a dish and provide all the vitamins and mineral supplements needed except for one amino acid. If you grind up the chicken thighs there is really no mess. You should read the book “Feed your Dog a bone” by Dr. Ian Billinghurst. He talks about the benefits of raw feeding. I purchased a grinder and find it super easy and cheap to feed my dogs. I also include other types of foods in their raw food i.e., vegetables, dairy, organ meat, grains, legumes and even table scraps. Trying to achieve balance in every meal is ridiculous. You want to achieve balance over a period of time by having your dogs eat a variety of foods. With most of their meals consisting of raw meaty bones. I have chihuahuas. My five pounders have trouble chewing bones, so I grind up their meals. My two larger chihuahuas can eat raw chicken thighs and the bones like popsicles. So it depends on the kind of dog you have.


    @ Alice B

    Thanks for the feedback.
    Glad your dogs are doing well and that you are listening to your vet.
    You may enjoy this book that will be available soon “Placebos for Pets?: The Truth About Alternative Medicine in Animals”

    PS: Large breed dogs are just as susceptible to GI problems/obstructions/blockage as small breed dogs due to raw diets/bones.
    Your vet will confirm.

    • This reply was modified 1 year, 8 months ago by anonymous.

    Ideally a raw fed dog will poop maybe once a day and it will be very small. I follow a working raw fed gsd on insta and he poops once a day and it’s about the size of a baseball maybe smaller. As opposed to kibble fed dogs who poop bulky poops twice sometimes three times or more a day. “Normal” poop for a dog should be small, dark in color, and segmented. The dog should have no issues passing it. If they are constipated and straining then bone content could be too high which in a raw diet could be corrected by adding more organ meat. Just as soft poos can be combated with more bone.
    Bone is natural for a dog to eat. Obviously don’t feed weight bearing bones as they can crack teeth or split or shatter and cause obstructions. Bone ground up or whole bones like necks, backs, or non weight bearing bones are ideal.

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