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  • in reply to: Large/giant dog #144328 Report Abuse
    anonymous
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    @ Connie I
    I agree Fromm is the best! Now about the raw, well I won’t go there 🙂
    Glad your dogs are doing well.

    PS We are using the Fromm Weight Management Gold at present as a base. Excellent!

    anonymous
    Member

    We recently started our dogs on Fromm Weight Management Gold and are already seeing excellent results.
    https://www.gofromm.com/dog?specs=f_Attributes:Weight+Control!!-10!!
    Click on “weight control”

    Also, if you are going by the recommended daily amount on the bag, I would cut it down to the very lowest amount recommended per day, divided in 2 meals not 3.

    And I would not leave food down/free feed. Feed them in separate dishes, pick up the food if they don’t eat or want to finish and serve at the next meal (cover and store in the fridg)
    Let them skip a meal if they want after all you want them to lose weight, right.
    Make sure they always have fresh water available.

    in reply to: Fromm dog food #144053 Report Abuse
    anonymous
    Member

    I understand that you are grieving. I am sorry for your loss.

    However, isn’t it a possibility that your dog died of natural causes, just speculating.

    in reply to: Fromm dog food #144047 Report Abuse
    anonymous
    Member

    Average Life Span of Top 25 Breeds
    The following is a list of the most popular dogs in 2008, according to the AKC and their average life expectancy.
    Labrador Retriever (12.5 years)
    Yorkshire Terrier (14 years)
    German Shepherd Dog (11 years)
    Golden Retriever (12 years)
    Beagle (13 years)
    Boxer (10.5 years)
    Dachshund (15.5 years)
    Bulldog (7 years)
    Poodle (12 years Standard) (15 years Miniature)
    Shih Tzu (13 years)
    Miniature Schnauzer (14 years)
    Chihuahua (13.5)
    Pomeranian (15 years)
    Rottweiler (10 years)
    Pug (13.5 years)
    German Shorthaired Pointer (13 years)
    Boston Terrier (13 years)
    Doberman Pinscher (10 years)
    Shetland Sheepdog (13.5 years)
    Maltese (14 years)
    Cocker Spaniel (12 years)
    Great Dane (8.5 years)
    Siberian Husky (12 years)
    Pembroke Welsh Corgi (13 years)
    Cavalier King Charles Spaniel (10 years)

    in reply to: Fromm dog food #144046 Report Abuse
    anonymous
    Member

    /forums/topic/fromm-dog-food/page/2/#post-138230

    in reply to: Fromm dog food #144044 Report Abuse
    anonymous
    Member

    @ BellaBea

    Yes! I agree. Fromm is the best.
    We recently started our dogs on Weight Management Gold and are already seeing excellent results. Some of the formulas are a bit high in calories so you have to feed less or keep an eye out for weight gain.
    Grain inclusive formulas https://www.gofromm.com/dog?specs=f_Attributes:Grain-Inclusive

    in reply to: Beware of flea and tick for your pets #143919 Report Abuse
    anonymous
    Member

    About a decade or so ago, I was using topical flea/tick preventives (less than the vet recommended) plus “natural” stuff that did nothing.
    I ended up with 3 dogs testing positive for Lyme. Two remained asymptomatic and lived long lives and passed from unrelated causes.
    One suffered greatly from kidney damage and neurological damage caused by this disease, she required frequent lab work and vet visits, this dog required medications, prescription food and subq fluids daily for 2 years until I could no longer keep her comfortable (uremia).
    All received lots of antibiotics when first diagnosed, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t.
    Never want to go through this again
    Homeopathic vets are dangerous in my opinion. I will never listen to one again.

    anonymous
    Member

    https://www.gofromm.com/fromm-family-small-breed-adult-gold-food-for-dogs
    Fromm has several grain inclusive formulas.

    Kibble does nothing to clean teeth. If the dog needs a professional dental cleaning I would get it done then just brush the teeth once a day, ask the vet tech to demonstrate if you don’t know how. Or check youtube.

    You can presoak dry food in water in the fridg for a few hours, or just add a generous amount of water to the kibble prior to serving the dog will lap up the water to get to the food.
    Don’t free feed (leave food down all day)
    Or you could mix the kibble with a little canned food and add water.
    Serve 2 or 3 small meals per day.
    I would not rotate foods, that may cause GI upset in a senior dog.

    in reply to: Beware of flea and tick for your pets #143884 Report Abuse
    anonymous
    Member

    The Seresto collar is tolerated well by most dogs.

    Beware of homeopathic vets pushing “natural” remedies that are ineffective and a waste of money.

    Discuss with your vet what would be best for your pet.

    in reply to: Anyone's dog allergic to PEAS? #143873 Report Abuse
    anonymous
    Member

    PS: Are you bathing the dog at least every 3 days with a gentle puppy shampoo? It might help a little.
    Again, talk to your vet.

    in reply to: Anyone's dog allergic to PEAS? #143872 Report Abuse
    anonymous
    Member

    I knew it (carpeting)! If the dog has a flea allergy, you may not see any signs of fleas. Again one flea bite can wreak havoc.
    Work closely with your vet, however…
    If the dog’s symptoms continue, please consider consulting a veterinary dermatologist, that was the only thing that helped my dog. Intradermal allergy testing
    https://www.preventivevet.com/dogs/canine-atopic-dermatitis-environmental-allergies-in-dogs
    Final words about atopic dermatitis in dogs
    “It is also very important for any dog with atopic dermatitis to be on a year-round, comprehensive flea control program. Atopic dogs tend to be more sensitive to the bites of fleas, so even occasional fleabites should be prevented. Speak with your veterinarian about a safe and effective flea prevention program for all the pets in your home, and learn more about fleas here”.

    “Managing this lifelong condition takes some patience. By using various combinations of therapy, and altering the treatment when needed, your veterinarian can help your atopic dog feel and look their best. And for cases that prove difficult to manage, there are board-certified veterinary dermatology specialists that are available to help. You can search for a specialist in your area on the website for the American College of Veterinary Dermatology”.

    The only accurate way to do a food elimination trial is with prescription/therapeutic diet food.

    Otherwise, it’s a waste of time.

    in reply to: Anyone's dog allergic to PEAS? #143866 Report Abuse
    anonymous
    Member

    Have fleas been ruled out? Let me guess, you have carpeting? Flea allergy is common and can wreak havoc even after just one flea bite.
    Talk to your vet.
    /forums/search/environmental+allergies/

    • This reply was modified 4 years, 9 months ago by anonymous.
    in reply to: Beware of flea and tick for your pets #143863 Report Abuse
    anonymous
    Member

    http://www.vetstreet.com/care/lyme-disease-in-dogs excerpt below
    Lyme disease is one of a number of frustratingly common tick-borne diseases that are regarded by both veterinarians and human physicians as stubborn, insidious, and just plain problematic in a number of ways.
    An infection caused by the Borrelia burgdorferi bacterium, Lyme disease is transmitted through the bite of an infected tick and can affect many species, including dogs and humans.
    Ticks of the Ixodes species (called deer ticks) are known to transmit Lyme disease when they attach to a host and feed. Because the tick must be attached for at least 50 hours to transmit Lyme disease, frequent inspection for ticks (and quick removal) can reduce the risk of disease transmission.
    Lyme disease is more common in certain areas of the United States, including the Northeast, Mid-Atlantic, and upper Midwest.

    in reply to: Beware of flea and tick for your pets #143860 Report Abuse
    anonymous
    Member

    Talk to your vet, all effective medications including flea/tick preventives have potential side effects.

    I watched a dog die from Lyme disease caused by a tick bite. Not diagnosed in time, spent $$ trying to keep that dog comfortable for two years. The dog went into kidney failure (incompatible with life).

    I’ll take the possibility of side effects from flea/tick preventives over that nightmare any day.

    anonymous
    Member

    Vegetarian Diets for Dogs & Cats


    excerpt below, click on link for full article and comments.
    Vegetarian Diets for Dogs & Cats
    Posted on July 15, 2019 by skeptvet
    Pet owners frequently project their beliefs about human health onto their companion animals. Anxieties about purported harms from vaccines in children, for example, have spurred an anti-vaccination movement among vets and pet owners.
    Beliefs in alternative medical therapies for people, such as herbal medicine and acupuncture, may motivate pet owners to seek such treatments for their animals. But perhaps the most common example of this phenomenon is the translation of dietary beliefs and fads from human nutrition to animal feeding practices.

    anonymous
    Member
    in reply to: kibble way down on list of appropriate diet #143727 Report Abuse
    anonymous
    Member

    I needed a root canal many years ago, I was frightened because Doctor Mercola (on his website) implied that root canals can cause cancer!
    My dentist said that was not true, don’t listen to those people they are crazy.
    He was so right. I have had no problems whatsoever.

    More on these doctors

    More Misuse of Science as Propaganda Tool by Mercola and the AHVMF

    Dr. Karen Becker Offers Some Classic Veterinary Detox Quackery

    Above is just a sample, if you use the search engine at that site you will find more articles.

    anonymous
    Member

    I have never tried any supplements for coprophagia, the price deterred me and the fact that they look like chemical junk? Also, you would have to give them to every dog in your household, plus I have heard that they don’t work.
    PS: Has the vet ruled out medical issues? Good article here : http://www.aspca.org/pet-care/virtual-pet-behaviorist/dog-behavior/coprophagia-eating-feces (excerpt below)
    Medical Problems to Rule Out
    Starvation, Malnutrition or Malabsorption Disorders
    If your dog isn’t getting sufficient food or isn’t able to digest the nutrition in his food, he may resort to coprophagia as a way to supplement his diet. Before doing anything else, it’s important to have your dog thoroughly examined by a veterinarian to rule out medical problems that could cause coprophagia.

    anonymous
    Member

    I have had a dog or two over the years that was a feces eater (coprophagia)
    The only thing I found that worked, was to follow them around with a pooper scooper when you think they are due for a bowel movement, scoop and discard immediately, out of sight out of mind. After awhile they stop turning around to look for it. In my experience, it doesn’t matter what you feed them. Sometimes puppies will out grow this nasty habit as they mature. It is what it is. You cannot let these dogs alone with their feces.
    Has the vet ruled out medical issues?

    Excerpt from the article I provided via link below https://www.petplace.com/article/dogs/pet-behavior-training/coprophagia-eating-feces-behavior-in-dogs/

    Coprophagia is not an abnormal behavior for canines in certain situations. Bitches naturally consume their own pup’s feces – presumably, to keep the nest clean. This behavior provides a survival benefit as it prevents unhygienic conditions from developing in the nest; a state of affairs that could lead to disease. The biological drive to eat feces, which is implanted as a survival instinct, compels nursing bitches to ingest their pups’ feces.
    In addition, many puppies go through an oral stage in which they explore everything with their mouths, sometimes ingesting a variety of non-food items, including feces.

    As time goes by, the majority of pups eventually learn that food tastes better than feces and they swear off the stool-eating habit for the rest of their lives. Some older puppies may continue to eat feces for a few months, but most grow out of the habit after the first year.
    Barring nursing bitches, the majority of “normal” adult dogs have absolutely no interest in eating feces.
    Slow learners, “oral retentives,” and pups in which habits are easily ingrained may continue to engage in coprophagia well beyond the accepted “norm” and may engage in it to excess. Such hard-core coprophagics continue the behavior long after their peers have developed new interests. Dogs like this, that seem addicted to the habit, may best be described as “compulsive.”

    Below is a list of possible contributing factors though more than one may be operating in any one case.
    The opportunity to observe the dam eating stool
    High protein, low residue, puppy food
    Irregular feeding schedule
    Feeding inadequate amounts of food
    Under-stimulating environment
    Constant opportunity to ingest feces
    Inadequate attention/supervision

    in reply to: Anal Gland Problems #143507 Report Abuse
    anonymous
    Member

    Yeah, tried all that.

    The only thing that helped was having the anal glands expressed at least once a week by a vet tech.
    You can ask your vet to have the vet tech show you how to do it yourself.

    My dog with environmental allergies had anal gland issues, once she started treatment for atopic dermatitis by a veterinary dermatologist all anal gland issues went away.

    She does well on a variety of foods. The dog food did not appear to have anything to do with it.

    PS: GSDs have specific anal gland problems related to the breed.

    anonymous
    Member

    How about all the dogs that die of cancer that were never diagnosed?
    Do you think everyone takes their pet to the vet for diagnosis and treatment?
    Think again…
    Consider “over diagnosis” many pets are diagnosed or misdiagnosed and sometimes there are no treatment options no matter how much you spend for the tests (100s, 1000s)

    Something to think about and discuss with a veterinarian, someone that has actually examined your pets and knows their history.
    Btw: I think you meant to say Chihuahua

    in reply to: Frantic lapping/gulping/licking/whining #142662 Report Abuse
    anonymous
    Member

    Well, you know the answer. More testing is needed to make a diagnosis. I would go to different vet in your area and get another opinion. Better yet consider consulting an internal medicine specialist or a neurologist, whichever the vet that examined him thinks would be best.
    Also if you can video the symptoms when they occur on a camera phone or something to show the vet it would be helpful.

    I would stop focusing on the food as it may have nothing to do with causing these attacks.

    Also, be careful about taking advice that you get on the internet and forums. You will have better luck listening to a vet that has actually examined the dog and knows his history.

    As you can see from the links I provided, people sometimes go around and around and often get nowhere. It can really add to the confusion.

    in reply to: Frantic lapping/gulping/licking/whining #142620 Report Abuse
    anonymous
    Member

    Another example per the search engine

    /forums/topic/dog-ravenously-licking-floors-carpets/#post-120250

    And /forums/topic/dog-ravenously-licking-floors-carpets/#post-120312

    in reply to: Frantic lapping/gulping/licking/whining #142618 Report Abuse
    anonymous
    Member

    Let’s hope it’s acute rather than chronic, maybe he got into something toxic?

    Did he receive oral or topical flea/tick medication recently? Seresto collar?

    See how he looks 10 days from now. But I would leave a message for your vet to call you back and discuss if he continues to be sick

    Example /forums/topic/4-year-old-chihuahua-jack-russel-mix-and-seizures/#post-120430

    • This reply was modified 4 years, 9 months ago by anonymous.
    in reply to: Frantic lapping/gulping/licking/whining #142616 Report Abuse
    anonymous
    Member

    Make sure your dog is drinking water. I would add a little to her dry food she will have to lap it up to get to the kibble.

    in reply to: Frantic lapping/gulping/licking/whining #142613 Report Abuse
    anonymous
    Member

    https://www.gofromm.com/fromm-family-classic-adult-dog-food

    PS: If the symptoms continue, ask your vet if it could be neurological, in example seizure activity of some sort?

    in reply to: Supplement: Nutra Thrive #142568 Report Abuse
    anonymous
    Member

    /forums/topic/supplement-nutra-thrive/#post-142561

    https://nutrathrivedogs.com/ excerpt below
    “Dr. Gary Richter developed Nutra Thrive with one goal in mind — to give your pet everything it needs to live a long, healthy life”.

    anonymous
    Member

    There are no veterinarians or veterinary nutritionists affiliated with this site. Therefore it may be best to go by the latest FDA recommendations.

    Basically , vets are advising to go with a grain-inclusive dog food for now.
    Avoid legumes, peas, potatoes at least for the first 10 ingredients.

    https://www.fda.gov/animal-veterinary/animal-health-literacy/questions-answers-fda-center-veterinary-medicines-investigation-possible-connection-between-diet-and excerpt below

    17. What’s the safest diet for my dog?
    Different dogs have different nutritional needs based on a number of factors, so nutrition advice is not one-size-fits-all. The FDA recommends asking your veterinarian, who may consult a board-certified or veterinary nutritionist, for advice about what to feed your dog.
    It’s important to note that the reports include dogs that have eaten grain-free and grain containing foods and also include vegetarian or vegan formulations. They also include all forms of diets: kibble, canned, raw and home-cooked. Therefore, we do not think these cases can be explained simply by whether or not they contain grains, or by brand or manufacturer.
    To put this issue into proper context, the American Veterinary Medical Association estimates that there are 77 million pet dogs in the United States. As of April 30, 2019, the FDA has received reports about 560 dogs diagnosed with DCM suspected to be linked to diet. Tens of millions of dogs have been eating dog food without developing DCM. If you are concerned about the diet you are currently feeding your dog, FDA recommends working with your veterinarian, who may consult a board-certified veterinary nutritionist, to determine the best diet for your dog’s need.

    in reply to: Supplement: Nutra Thrive #142562 Report Abuse
    anonymous
    Member

    https://ultimatepetnutrition.com/product/nutra-thrive-dog/

    Scroll down to find the ingredients and note the disclaimer at the end.

    “However, we always recommend consulting with your veterinarian before beginning any new supplement”.

    Let us know what the emergency vet says, it may help another dog from becoming sick.

    in reply to: Supplement: Nutra Thrive #142561 Report Abuse
    anonymous
    Member

    $188.97 USD ??? Where are the ingredients?
    Please take the dog to a vet asap and find out what is wrong with him.
    STOP THE SUPPLEMENT.

    http://skeptvet.com/Blog/2018/05/whos-behind-the-the-truth-about-pet-cancer/ excerpt below,
    scan through the article to find more info on this doctor and many others that push these alternative treatments.
    Gary Richter
    Dr. Richter is yet another integrative veterinarian, mixing science-based medicine with untested or quack therapies freely and claiming to be selecting the best of both. I’ve discussed elsewhere why this is a successful marketing approach but not actually a sound way to determine which treatments work and which don’t. Dr. Richter’s approach treats his personal anecdotal experience and controlled scientific research as equivalent, thus missing the entire point of science. As he says in advertising his book, “Each treatment recommended in this book has the backing of scientific research OR years of successful outcomes his clinical practice.” [emphasis added]
    Dr. Richter includes acupuncture, chiropractic, stem cell therapy, PEMF, herbs, and unconventional nutrition among his list of alternative practices. He’s also a prominent advocate for cannabis in pets. Despite being less opposed to conventional medicine than many alternative practitioners, he seems perfectly comfortable making confident claims about the safety and efficacy of untested therapies based only on opinion and anecdote, which is the fundamental difference between science-based medicine and faith-based alternative medicine.

    PS: If you can find the ingredients you may want to call a Pet Poison Control number to be on the safe side.
    Or call the nearest emergency vet in your area and see what they advise.

    in reply to: Best Dog Food for Kidney Disease #142529 Report Abuse
    anonymous
    Member

    I would consult your vet.
    I think a prescription /therapeutic diet would be the best choice.
    Usually dogs with kidney disease require a low protein diet/ prescription food to be comfortable, along with prescription medications.

    in reply to: Fish bones…good or bad? #142518 Report Abuse
    anonymous
    Member

    No.
    I would not continue to feed this product.

    in reply to: FDA DCM notice #142517 Report Abuse
    anonymous
    Member

    What are Screening Tests, and Should You Use them?

    ******** * ******* says:
    July 11, 2019 at 10:04 am
    I am wondering what the opinion is for screening electrocardiograms in light of the DCM scare with some cases being possibly related to grain free and legume heavy diets? If a dog has no outward symptoms of DCM and is no longer on a grain free diet, do we consider the extra measure of screening that dog with an echo? A dog may have DCM in the early stages with no outward signs..Some people are also getting Taurine blood levels as well


    skeptvet says:
    July 13, 2019 at 9:29 am
    An electrocardiogram looks for abnormal heart rhythms, not DCM per se, and would not be an appropriate screening test.
    An echo and taurine levels are recommended for dogs in which there is a concern, but again since the number of cases is VERY small in terms of how many dogs are eating grain-free diets, most of these tests will be negative. I still think they are worth doing in dogs eating the diets so far identified by the FDA or in high-risk breeds (e.g. golden retrievrs), but the testing costs several hundred dollars depending on where you live (both tests together are over $700 in my area), and the echo may not be readily available in places where there are not a lot of cardiologists practicing, so given the uncertainty not everyone chooses to have the tests done.

    anonymous
    Member

    /forums/topic/fda-dcm-notice/#post-142173

    in reply to: Grain-free dilemma #142473 Report Abuse
    anonymous
    Member

    Have you considered Nutrisource https://nutrisourcepetfoods.com/dog-food/adult/4
    My friend’s dog is doing well on it. She switched from Zignature due to the grain-free scare. Her dog has a sensitive stomach.

    Sorry, the first link didn’t work but I corrected it.

    in reply to: food too expensived #142472 Report Abuse
    anonymous
    Member

    Also, if you soak the dry kibble in water and leave in the fridg overnight it will be soft in the morning and you can add a little more water to it too. The can food has more moisture so ask your vet if this is an option?

    in reply to: food too expensived #142469 Report Abuse
    anonymous
    Member

    Your dog needs a therapeutic/prescription diet. No way around it. No commercial dog food will compare.
    These things happen and it’s part of routine medical care for your dog.

    Do you have cable? If you do and you give it up that would more than cover the cost of the food. Just a thought.

    Give up Starbucks? Eating out? That’s what some of us have had to do.

    in reply to: Best food for digestion #142467 Report Abuse
    anonymous
    Member

    Has the dog been to the vet?
    When a dog has a sudden change in appetite, behavior, bathroom habits; it is best to rule out medical issues for the cause before assuming the condition is related to diet.

    anonymous
    Member

    It’s not bad, but some of us would prefer not to use their services any longer. The link explains the rationale for that.

    anonymous
    Member
    anonymous
    Member

    Give him a good bath with a mild dog shampoo then take him to the vet.

    Even if you find no fleas, if your dog has a flea allergy just 1 flea bite could cause an extreme reaction.

    Do you have carpeting? Get it professionally cleaned (at the least). Maybe removed. Have the house/apartment fumigated if need be.

    Talk to your vet, use preventives, there are many to pick from depending on your location and the severity of the problem.

    Don’t let the dog suffer, get professional advice (not the internet).

    in reply to: Switching 8 week old puppy to raw #142228 Report Abuse
    anonymous
    Member

    I hope these articles and the comments help someone even if the original poster is not receptive to them.
    http://skeptvet.com/Blog/?s=raw

    in reply to: FDA DCM notice #142174 Report Abuse
    anonymous
    Member

    https://www.gofromm.com/highlander-beef-oats-n-barley-recipe-dog-food

    It has chicken fat listed as the 13th ingredient. chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols)

    https://www.chewy.com/purina-pro-plan-focus-adult/dp/128666?utm_source=shopzilla&utm_medium=cpc&utm_content=Purina%20Pro%20Plan&utm_campaign=f

    The ProPlan sensitive has “animal fat” listed as the 7th ingredient. Animal Fat Preserved with Mixed-Tocopherols

    PS: I suspect that small amounts of chicken fat should not affect your dog the way chicken meal might. The farther down the ingredient list the less there is.
    The first 10 are considered main ingredients.
    Consult your vet

    in reply to: FDA DCM notice #142173 Report Abuse
    anonymous
    Member

    https://www.fda.gov/animal-veterinary/animal-health-literacy/questions-answers-fda-center-veterinary-medicines-investigation-possible-connection-between-diet-and

    17. What’s the safest diet for my dog?
    Different dogs have different nutritional needs based on a number of factors, so nutrition advice is not one-size-fits-all. The FDA recommends asking your veterinarian, who may consult a board-certified or veterinary nutritionist, for advice about what to feed your dog.
    It’s important to note that the reports include dogs that have eaten grain-free and grain containing foods and also include vegetarian or vegan formulations. They also include all forms of diets: kibble, canned, raw and home-cooked. Therefore, we do not think these cases can be explained simply by whether or not they contain grains, or by brand or manufacturer.
    To put this issue into proper context, the American Veterinary Medical Association estimates that there are 77 million pet dogs in the United States. As of April 30, 2019, the FDA has received reports about 560 dogs diagnosed with DCM suspected to be linked to diet. Tens of millions of dogs have been eating dog food without developing DCM. If you are concerned about the diet you are currently feeding your dog, FDA recommends working with your veterinarian, who may consult a board-certified veterinary nutritionist, to determine the best diet for your dog’s need.

    http://skeptvet.com/Blog/2019/06/fda-update-on-grain-free-diets-and-heart-disease-in-dogs/ excerpt below, click on link for article and comments

    Further data collection and research will be necessary to determine the precise relationship between diet and DCM in these cases. There are likely multiple factors involved, including the ingredients in the diet, the genetics or particular breeds and individuals, and others we may not yet know about. Pet owners feeding these diets don’t need to panic, since far more dogs on these diets do NOT have DCM than do. However, if you are feeding one of these foods, or a diet similar in composition, and especially if you are feeding this to a golden retriever, it would be a good idea to talk to your vet about screening your pet for DCM and considering a change in diet.

    in reply to: Pill Pockets #142102 Report Abuse
    anonymous
    Member

    Another trick, bury the pill in soft butter or smart balance (whatever you use) just a quarter size lump or smaller. Works like a charm every time 🙂

    in reply to: Pill Pockets #142101 Report Abuse
    anonymous
    Member

    Pill Pockets for Dogs
    Rehydrated chicken, glycerin, wheat flour, vegetable oil, wheat gluten, dried corn syrup, dried cultured skim milk, natural flavors, sodium bisulfate, natural chicken bouillon flavor, hickory smoke flavor, xanthan gum, preserved with mixed tocopherols

    I don’t see anything that I would be concerned about in small amounts. If it’s working I wouldn’t change anything.

    I have to bury my dog’s pill in soft canned food (small amount) and observe for at least 10 minutes in case she decides to cough it up.
    PS: I see those pill pockets being sold at my vet’s office, don’t think they would do so if there were negative reports.

    in reply to: FDA investigation into diet and DCM #142031 Report Abuse
    anonymous
    Member

    FDA Update on Grain-free Diets and Heart Disease in Dogs


    excerpt from comments below
    **** ****** says:
    June 30, 2019 at 6:48 pm
    I read the FDA reports and my impression is the FDA should have kept the names of the kibble manufacturers confidential because of likely referral bias. I’d like to hear their rationale for this.
    Note that almost all the kibbles listed are high quality/high cost kibbles. I would have expected to see some of the mass market brands one can find in WalMart, Petco or your local grocery store. 3 days ago I took my Newf for a routine check for her SubAortic Stenosis at a multi-specialty clinic. The cost was $291.75. The FDA link isn’t totally clear, but it appears that most of the cases being studied are those for which the dogs have been evaluated with a cardiac echo study. I think it is likely that the same socioeconomic group that can afford cardiac echo studies correlates highly with the socioeconomic group that purchases costly boutique kibble.

    skeptvet says:
    July 1, 2019 at 9:53 am
    Good points. Lots of possible confounders here. I think another one is that many of the brands on the list have made a reputation/market niche out of being “natural” or alternative to traditional diets in some way, and the grain-free claim tends to appeal to the same market segment–namely, mostly affluent owners who are drawn to alternative or unconventional practices and who find words like “natural” and “holistic” appealing.
    However, it is important not to lose sight of the fact that strongest common thread here is not brand or market segment but grain-free and legumes/pulses. Lots of other foods by the same manufacturers are not on the list and do not have this ingredient profile. It is also interesting to see “kangaroo” as a common ingredient in foods on the list given how rare it is in dog food generally (especially compared to beef and pork, which occur less often in the suspect foods), so the exotic protein source angle is still worth investigating

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    https://www.fda.gov/animal-veterinary/animal-health-literacy/questions-answers-fda-center-veterinary-medicines-investigation-possible-connection-between-diet-and
    excerpt below
    To put this issue into proper context, the American Veterinary Medical Association estimates that there are 77 million pet dogs in the United States. As of April 30, 2019, the FDA has received reports about 560 dogs diagnosed with DCM suspected to be linked to diet. Tens of millions of dogs have been eating dog food without developing DCM. If you are concerned about the diet you are currently feeding your dog, FDA recommends working with your veterinarian, who may consult a board-certified veterinary nutritionist, to determine the best diet for your dog’s need.

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    Susan Thixton is not a veterinarian. She is not a veterinary nutritionist. Therefore she is not a reliable source of information.

    We have had this discussion before:

    Who’s Behind the The Truth About Pet Cancer?


    (excerpt from article below)
    Susan Thixton
    Ms. Thixton is a vehement activist at war with the pet food industry, government regulators, and anyone who doesn’t share her views about pet nutrition. She blames the death of one of her dogs on a preservative in pet food and identifies this experience as the genesis of her crusade.
    Unfortunately, her passion is not matched by a respect for science or evidence or a very sophisticated understanding of epidemiology, nor does she have any apparent willingness to consider she might be mistaken or others might know more than she does about such issues.
    Ms. Thixton is one of these “experts” whose expertise consists of all the information she can find that supports what she is determined to believe no matter what. She has served as a public member of AAFCO, the group that generates much animal feed regulation, but was dismissed in 2017 for personal attacks against other board members. She expresses deep contempt for science and for anyone who doesn’t see the industry/government conspiracy poisoning our pets that she warns about, and her participation in this series illustrates the degree to which it is ideologically driven.

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