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Your right on that, but everyone thinks it is the taurine and some companies been adding it which is good, but what about the ones that did not have low taurine?? So the ones with DCM with normal taurine, what is that about??? However, most of these dogs were eating grain free and exotic meats. And here the dogs that I see that ate Purina their tests were fine and Purina does not add taurine, they said it is not necessary for dogs. I know a lot of people don’t like Purina, but they do have knowledge and know what dogs need and do well on. Now maybe their quality (like people I hear say) is poor, but I didn’t hear of any dogs having DCM eating Purina, on the list I seen.
These companies that are making grain free foods should consider making grain in foods as well, if they really care about our pets. Even if the evidence is not really known yet, because to me once there is a suspicion then they should take action anyway. If these companies want to continue making grain free well that’s fine but they should also make grain in so people have a choice. So if these companies don’t bother making grain in, in the near future sham on them!! I am so angry right now, if I were a maker of dog food I would definitely start making grain in for people so they have a choice with the brand they like. Hands Down!!! So we shall see what they will do. IMO if they wait to see what is going to happen, many more dogs may suffer.
Hi Susan I clicked on to the study with brands and I seen that but I know there were more than that with DCM is that a recent one? From that study it looks like Champion pet foods, Diamond, Zignature, Nutrisource. But I know there were more than 2 dogs eating Zignature and had DCM. That was interesting article. But there is one thing that concerns me, there are a number of dogs with DCM and their taurine levels were normal. That just makes it more confusing. So it is not just the taurine. As I mentioned before, I wonder if there can be harmful toxins that are affecting the heart?? It is possible. Because how can they explain dogs with normal taurine levels that have be diagnosed with DCM?
Hey everyone I have an idea, since all legumes are so out of the ball park for any animal to eat, lets just not feed it for that reason alone. Grains are really not unusual for animals to eat if you think about it. Wolves eat certain grass, could be wheat grass and others who knows. If you think about it, what animal eats legumes? Horses eat hay and some vegtables, deer’s eat berry’s, grass, corn and so forth. Rabbits eat lettuce, carrots and so forth I think you get my drift. However, what animal eats legumes??? It is just an idea since this whole thing is uncertain, this is my idea just not to feed it for those reasons alone. Furthermore there are people who say the same about grains, how they are not species appropriate, but how come they are feeding legumes??? Even squirrels don’t eat beans.
Here is another article about beans: ttps://paleoflourish.com/paleo-why-legumes-are-badMaybe heart disease in dogs is from a lack of nutrients, not just taurine. From what I read about legumes in people, (vegetarians or vegans) if they are eating beans everyday and not in moderation, it can rob the body of minerals such as calcium, magnesium, zinc and forgot the other. With that being said, humans eat other things to have these minerals absorb in the body, where animals don’t. Example: If someone is a vegan or vegetarian and they eat lentils or spinach for iron, well they need to have vitamin c for it to be properly absorbed. They will eat oranges or drink orange juice with the lentils or spinach. Just an example here. In LID grain free diets only have the meat and legumes. Not to mention eaten every day! I will bet that it is possible that their minerals are being robbed because of the legumes in the diet. IMO. Read about legumes, I forgot the web site but type in “to bean or not to bean” you may find it. Very interesting, it may help us understand something.
Susan I agree some batches can vary because of certain ingredients. From what I have seen over the years when this happens he will get diarrhea and when I get the right batch the diarrhea goes away. If his anal glands are impact it could be from a certain ingredient that is making this happen. He is 4 1/2 and I never seen this before. But I can tell you color change in kibble, for me, is bad news. That is from true experience no matter what the company says. Thanks to everyone for advice I really appreciate it. I have a vet that comes to my home and I will get him examined.
I did hear about firmer stools to empty glands so I made him some white rice, sweet potatoe and meat for dinner. Anon thanks for that info. He is a GSD and I never had this problem before that is the only reason I suspect the food. He had been on the food for about 3 months so I might also change the diet after talking to the vet. What confuses me is that sometimes they need more fiber and sometimes they need less. So I guess it is trial and error. How does anyone know really if they need more or less? Because sometimes fiber can provoke soft stools and sometimes it firms it up. The one time a year ago when he had loose stools the vet said give him pumpkin, so I did what a BIG mistake so then I did white rice and it fixed his problem.Thanks Susan and Anon I will call the vet today. Plus Susan, the funny thing is he has been eating pro plan lamb and oatmeal for 3 months now. What I noticed is some bags are lighter in color and when I get those he does this. I remember now that one bag was darker kibble and he was fine then I got a lighter color and he started biting at himself, thought it was a treat so I stopped those and still he bit at himself. Then when I bought another bag it was darker and he stopped. Now I got this bag and it is light again plus it is a big bag and it is almost finished and this situation has been present ever since he been eating it. So now I am suspicious of the color of the food. Sounds crazy but this is what I observed. Now that I am thinking about it. This did not occur to me until now. I just bought another bag and if it is light I will return it. Maybe a home cook diet for a day or 2 to see if it is better. Oh and his poops are not that firm, just slightly soft but normal. I thought maybe tapeworms? He was tested for parasites and it was clear.
I agree, my neighbor that is 79 years old told me dogs used to eat kennelraction can food and poor people use to eat it to, he said. Maybe years ago not much was sourced from china. Also he said that this can dog food was horse meat, but he said it was still healthy for dogs. And he said what you said that “dogs lived long.” He also said Alpo was all they were feed that he knows of. However maybe the Alpo today is not as good only because of the sourcing. Who knows.
I am editing this because I just spoke with my neighbor and he said “No dog food had ingredients from china or Japan years ago.” He knows this for a fact. China had nothing to do with pet food ingredients years ago. Ingredients were from the USA. Well pet food was better in that respect anyway.Hi Lisa I guess Natural Balance looks like your best bet, I did find another one it is called wellness lamb and oatmeal simple, it is just one protein. The Holistic Select lamb I mentioned only has lamb, but it does have chicken fat. Can your dog have chicken fat? it is not the protein so it should be okay ask your vet about it. And your right there are not too many foods out there that are limited ingredient that have grains they are all grain free. These companies should start making LID diets with grains. Not everyone wants grain free! I feel the same way I wish there were more grain in LID diets to.
Its funny years ago that is all they had “one protein and grains” that was the standard food. Now since they are putting in 2 or 3 proteins, they have to make LID diets, that were original made years ago. I have to laugh these companies are so messed up. Or it is there way of making more money.How about Purina Pro Plan lamb and oatmeal for sensitive skin and stomach, that doesn’t have chicken. Another one is Health extensions lamb and rice, no chicken in it, look it up on chewy. The other one is Holistic Select lamb and rice, that one has chicken fat but I don’t know if your dog can have chicken fat, it is usually not a problem it is more or less the protein, meaning chicken meat. You can try natural balance, but I am trying to give you more choices. Another one is Nature’s Variety lamb and oatmeal, now the only thing with this one is it has turkey as the 5th ingredient, but very good food. Then there is American Natural Premium lamb and rice no chicken, but not popular, that is on chewy too. Hope this helps, if I find any more I will let you know. Oh by the way I know many don’t like Purina pro plan, but a lot of people I know that have goldens use it with success. But the one that doesn’t contain any kind of chicken is the one I mentioned.
I am taking a guess here, that it is not peas in general. I think since the peas and chickpeas are so HIGH in protein it is calculated in the protein % and it boosts the protein more than the meat. That is just a guess, but it could be the combination of the diet and also eating it on a daily basis. I think if the dog just ate it occasionally I don’t think it is a problem. Something is interfering with taurine like Bill mentioned. Years ago dog food never had a taurine supplement in their food because it is known that dogs make their own taurine and cats don’t so cat food always had a taurine supplement. I know that Purina does not use taurine and I ask them why and that is what they said as well. So I can’t understand todays day and age with this taurine problem. I don’t think dogs had this problem years ago from what I understand.
By the way Bill what do you feed your dog?Hi Christie looks like you have your hands full, sorry to hear about your dogs allergies. I do like the one with out the peas and pea fiber. Sometimes dogs can be allergic to peas too. Boy years ago dogs never had so many allergies I still wonder why. I hope you can find something and maybe some one on here can be better help. By the way is your dog okay with grains? If so you don’t really need grain free unless your dog does better on grain free. Most limited ingredient diets have peas and chickpeas. But to answer your question I do think it is worth the money to have no peas in the diet.
Hi try Holistic Select they have grain free and also grain in without what you mentioned. I believe the only grains are in it are: oatmeal and rice. Check it out. Here are the first few ingredients in the chicken:
Chicken Meal, Brown Rice, Rice, Oatmeal, Chicken Fat (preserved with Mixed Tocopherols), Oats, Pork Meal, Dried Molasses Beet Pulp, Flaxseed, Pumpkin, Cranberries
And like I said they have grain free as well. But if he can have these grains that is good I would think. Some of them, not all, have salmon oil but it is low on the list. Hope it works out.If you can keep him on what is working, I know you need something cheaper, but if your dog doesn’t respond well you are doing more harm than good, and then may need to spend even more money. I don’t know your situation, money wise, but if you can stretch it a bit to keep him on what works would be best. I am just trying to keep it simple. As far as ratings go on this site, I would not be too concerned about it, what works for your dog is more important. However, if you can stay away from grocery store brands, some people have luck with them and some don’t. The ones that didn’t have any luck had dogs pooping blood or getting really sick. That’s what I heard. So I wouldn’t take a chance. I hope you find a budget that you can keep buying what he is eating now.
Sure it does not disagreeing with you there. But grain free boosts it up more so, b/c legumes have a much higher protein content. So in a nut Schell of course meat is better, however dog food companies need to put some binders in it weather beneficial or not. So if I had to choose between grain free or grain in I would choose the grain in, that is the best of the worst. Also supplementing with some fresh meat with dry food is beneficial as well. Not all people can afford a all meat diet, including myself, so I give him some fresh meat along with his dry food. Even so corn meal is not the best, however I did see better results with it.
I agree corn is much better than peas and legumes. Other grains are good as well. I forget to mention, when my dog was on a food than contain some corn gluten meal he had better muscle mass than on grain free, but that’s my dog don’t know about anybody else. Plus with all that fiber in grain free my dog had a lot more BM.
Bill, I understand what your saying, but not all dog foods have corn gluten in them, I am talking about these peas and chickpeas and lentils being HIGH in phytic acid. This could be a problem. What I read did not say anything about corn. All dog foods have their positives and negatives. And from what I read about these legumes and the FDA warning I don’t feel content feeding it. I am not talking about cheap ingredients. I am talking about dogs not being able to absorb their nutrition from high amounts of legumes. And a lot of companies do use a lot of them. Fact #1 Rice and other refine grains do not have phytic acid, only some grains do but not high like beans and legumes and peas. So even if rice and such is cheap I don’t think it can do harm, unless a dog is allergic to it. After all grains bin in dog food for years and years. This article also mentions the harm of eating it daily (legumes) and a lot of it. And most grain free diets have a lot of it and some are feed it on a daily basis, I just don’t feel that this is good.
Here is just a small example: 1 cup of chickpeas has 39 grams of protein vs 1 cup of oatmeal is 6 grams and 1 cup of brown rice is 5 grams vs 1 cup of lentils is 18 grams. And of course white rice is practically 0. And 1 cup of corn has 3 grams of protein.thanks everyone, I think you also have a good point about adjusting to the new food, however he was on the lamb and rice for 10 months, and it took him 2 months to adjust to it. Now on sensitive stomach. But ever since I started with Purina he has got skin issues, biting at legs and butt and soft poop. I hate to change his food I am nervous to do so, but I want to see if these things clear up. And yes that food is high in calories maybe to much for his system. I can’t go back to the lamb and rice b/c when he got sick the vet told me bland diet, and he felt better than I introduced the lamb and rice back and diarrhea came back so I don’t know what is what. So that’s why I wanted to change the brand.
P.S. he can’t have chicken what a bummer. I don’t know about turkey and beef is okay. I forgot to mention, I was talking to a friend that owns my dog’s brother, GSD, and he told me he was feeding pro plan for a while than his dog got sick, the vet wasn’t sure what was wrong so he said he had IBS. Well anyway, vet put him on RX diet and my friend didn’t like it so he also tried the S.S. pro plan and again the dog was sick, so at his wits end he bought natures variey lamb formula and he told me the dog took to it very well and he said “I’ll never look back”. I told him I was feeding pro plan and he said DON”T and I said why? he said our dogs just don’t take to it well. Not that the food is bad it is just that.Holistic Select does have grain in formula’s as well give it a try. I think the giant breed is grain in. Look on their web site. Yes, the giant breed puppy food is grain in here are the first set of ingredients:
Lamb Meal, Ground Brown Rice, Ground White Rice, Chicken Meal, Dried Beet Pulp, Oatmeal, Chicken Fat (Preserved with Mixed Tocopherols),Hi, with my dog and my experience is that when he eats dog food with chicken in it there is a problem, but when I cook chicken there is no problems. This raises a red flag as to why the dog food? All I know is when you introduce too many proteins example rotating, some dogs immune system goes on over drive so you don’t want to do that which I know you mentioned you are aware. Stick to on protein and if there is no problems than don’t change proteins. Only change if there is a true problem. Give him some boiled chicken and see how he does than you will know for sure if it’s the chicken. My Dr. (not a vet) I was asking him about dog allergies I know he is not a vet but he is a good Dr. and he is the one who told me to give the dog fresh foods to see how he responds. He also said to feed him oatmeal, pasta just to see if a dog is really allergic to grains as well. That would be a true way of finding out. B/c some times it is something else in the dog food that we are not aware of. I did what he said and my dog can eat grains and fresh chicken. As far a kangaroo try to avoid exotic meats if you can until this FDA clears. IF you can’t than you can’t. Do what the dog responds well too.
Hi 2doodlemon, if you find a dog food that works for him please don’t rotate his food. Unless the vet tells you too.
P.S. Sorry Susan, for butting in with the idea for rotating foods. Some dogs can develop IBS from doing that. My vet told me that advice. In my experience rotating did not go well with me and my dog. Now if you are rotating fresh food that I can do. But dog food is a formula, once the dog adjusts to it and is doing well I was told leave it alone. Formulas are much different than fresh food rotating. That is my experience with it. I know it is the old school way, but anymore the old school seems better than the new for me.
here is something to read https://www.dogfoodinsider.com/rotating-dog-food-good-idea/If it is probiotics that is fine everyday. Look at the label and see if it says that if not I would ask the vet about these antibiotics I don’t like it either. I don’t know what to say about the food, I don’t want to lead you in the wrong direction. But maybe he is not digested the food well. If you want to keep lamb and rice there are a few brands Holistic select, blackwood, natures variety has a lamb and oatmeal. I hope everything turns out well.
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