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  • #144898
    Patricia A
    Participant

    Oh that poor dog suffering like this for over two years. Melissa i would think that after two years she would have succumbed to stomach cancer already and the vet would have found cancer with all the tests.
    Since the vets aren’t helping I’ll give my advice for what it’s worth. Just wondering if he’s on any flea tick meds or any meds at all that would cause constant stomach upset. Also have you tried for lets say for a week just boiled chicken and rice to see if the food is the cause? Make sure he eats some in morning and night as not to ever go with empty stomach. if the symptoms stop then you know if its the kibble or whatever food you feed . I know sounds simple but it’s worth a try.

    #144851
    Shirley N
    Member

    I also wish I’d researched and found this site. Just ordered one bag of Dr.Marty’s pricey food, thinking I will just combine it with what I’m feeding my 55 lb rescue mixed breed. She is constantly scratching her skin and it’s not Flea/Tick because she’s on vet-prescribed monthly med for that. Have seen no indication of fleas or ticks. I’m concerned about Dr Marty’s because my vet advised against grain-free food because of new evidence of heart problems. ( I had started her on Purina One for large dogs (healthy joints version). It does contain some ingredients Dr Marty warned against. However, I know I will not be able to feed her Dr Marty’s by itself. Maybe the rich and famous can afford it. Not me. My last dog was draining me financially due to problems with diet. Took him to a great holistic vet and she was able to test him for allergies. No surprise, he was allergic to wheat. And much more. She came up with a meatloaf formula that I made for two years, for about $150 a month. Then he couldn’t eat the meatloaf eventually and I had to put him down as there was nothing he could eat that didn’t make him sick. So I’m overly cautious about finding the right food for my 2 year old rescue. Really wish I could cancel the order . Glad I only ordered one bag.

    #144743
    GSDsForever
    Participant

    Hi Karen.

    You really do need to see a vet, sooner than over a month from now.

    Pruritus (itching) can make a dog feel utterly miserable and can quickly spiral into bigger problems, whether from injuring the skin from scratching/biting/chewing to soothe itself which can then create secondary skin infection, or an ear hematoma (which I promise you, you do NOT want to have happen) from a hard shake or scratching.

    Did you know that most itching is not from a food allergy? It is more common for a dog to have other things causing the symptoms, like flea bites, mites, fungal/bacterial infection, or environmental & inhalant allergies.

    It’s great that your breeder is involved. Your breeder is right that chicken could be a food allergy for your puppy and food allergies do commonly show up before 1 yr of age. Chicken and beef are top food allergens for dogs with food allergies.

    But did you know that food allergies are actually not very common in dogs? Or that, in a food allergy, symptoms typically can continue for some time after switching over to another food? This is why a novel food must be fed for up to 12 weeks to see results, relief from symptoms. And it must be fed exclusively, without any treats or flavored medicines.

    In the vast majority of cases, a vet will be able to diagnose something OTHER THAN food allergy and be able to help your dog get relief very quickly from itching — whether diagnosing external parasite, fungal, or bacterial infection and treating for that, or providing relief from environmental allergies.

    For the environmental allergies, there are hypoallergenic and skin soothing shampoos and rinses, a cortisone shot, oral antihistamines, even a Cytopoint/CADI injection (a drug that can relieve itching within 24 hours and last up to 1-2 months) which has safe use approved for puppies as well as adults. Some dogs with pollen allergies just need a little extra help seasonally.

    Throwing up in young dogs can be nothing serious and pretty normal or it can be something that really means your vet should be involved and treating. Joanne is right that it matters also when your puppy does this and what it looks like/consists of, even though that may seem gross!

    #143982
    Patricia A
    Participant

    Christine is it a possibility that low blood sugar is contributing to seizure activity since he eats only once a day and very little? Maybe some lean boiled hamburger topper with kibble and string beans, carrots will help with his appetite and assure he gets enough animal protein. I boil chicken and add a tiny bit of the water to kibble also. Also maybe below article is of help. Common causes of seizures are flea/tick meds even when discontinued can result in ongoing seizures in some dogs as well as heart worm meds and vaccinations.
    Diet and Epilepsy Link

    Environmental control is a significant element in gaining better management of your dog’s seizures. Start with what goes into him. Feeding a home-prepared diet, cooked or raw, can make all the difference for some dogs. Though there are virtually no studies to determine whether there is a relationship between diet and seizure activity, many holistic veterinarians report anecdotal evidence that a top-quality home-prepared diet can play a large part in management of seizures.

    Allergy testing for grain and protein sensitivities is another tool you can use to identify and remove any potential seizure triggers.

    Dr. Kelleher also advocates the use of taurine supplementation for epileptic dogs at a dose of 250 milligrams per 40 pounds body weight daily. Taurine supplementation is especially important for dogs who eat commercial and grain-based diets. This amino acid is found in the central nervous system and skeletal muscle and is concentrated in the brain and heart. It’s unknown whether that has anything to do with the fact that taurine supplementation can reduce seizure activity, especially in those dogs experiencing tremors or noise triggered seizures. Discuss this or any other supplement with your dog’s veterinarian.

    If feeding a home-prepared diet isn’t possible, find the highest-quality commercial dog food. Grains in the diet, including treats, should be kept to a minimum.

    Keep in mind that many commercial dog foods include rosemary extract and sage, both of which are known to be seizure triggers in some sensitive dogs. Processed treats like rawhide chews and pigs ears should also be avoided with epileptics. Sharing human food containing MSG or cured products like hot dogs and luncheon meats is also not recommended. Many human takeout foods, instant, ready made, and convenience foods also contain chemical ingredients that can be adverse to the health of a seizure-prone dog. Cleaning up your dog’s diet is good incentive to do the same with your own.

    Frequent, small meals are helpful in managing epilepsy, as keeping the blood sugar stabilized seems to help. Hypoglycemia can contribute to seizure activity, especially in smaller breeds where the dog’s digestive tract and his meals are proportionately smaller. Grain products are especially suspect in animals who have seizures regularly. Feeding frequent, small meals is also helpful for coping with the increased hunger experienced by dogs who are given phenobarbital. Snacks such as fresh or steamed vegetables or fruit pieces are great low calorie treats that can keep your dog satisfied and increase his seizure threshold.

    Other Canine Epilepsy Triggers

    Despite the changes in recommended vaccine protocols recommended by most of the major university-based veterinary medical schools, many veterinarians continue to recommend annual vaccinations for their patients. In a seizure-prone dog, a vaccine booster can trigger seizure activity for at least 30 days. This is one reason that Dr. Dodds recommends avoiding routine vaccination for canine epileptics.

    Many owners of epileptic dogs ask their veterinarians to test their dogs’ vaccine titer levels instead, to ensure the animals have adequate antibodies to protect them from disease. If the results indicate a dog does not have adequate immune protection for a particular disease, the appropriate vaccination can be administered individually, rather than in a ā€œ5 in 1ā€ vaccine combination.

    Regular rabies vaccines are required in each state by law. These vaccines can be especially risky for epileptics; owners of epileptic dogs have lots of anecdotal evidence of this. Check with your local municipality to see if proof of adequate vaccine titer test results are acceptable in place of vaccinating an epileptic dog annually . Many towns and cities will accept documented titer tests as proof of vaccination.

    Since exposure to many chemicals can trigger seizures in sensitive dogs, it should not come as a surprise that many heartworm and flea preventative treatments that are systemically administered can be disastrous for many epileptic dogs. While elimination of these treatments is not always possible, care must be taken with a seizure-prone dog when preventing heartworm infestation. Several of the most popular heartworm preventatives actually list tremors or convulsions as rare side effects, and can be contraindicated with a dog that is given daily phenobarbital.

    Flea products containing insect growth regulator can cause twitching and muscle weakness when an animal is overexposed. Keep in mind these cautions are given for normal canine populations. An epileptic is commonly more sensitive to these products and great care must be taken when protecting them from heartworm and flea infestation.

    #143919
    anonymous
    Member

    About a decade or so ago, I was using topical flea/tick preventives (less than the vet recommended) plus “natural” stuff that did nothing.
    I ended up with 3 dogs testing positive for Lyme. Two remained asymptomatic and lived long lives and passed from unrelated causes.
    One suffered greatly from kidney damage and neurological damage caused by this disease, she required frequent lab work and vet visits, this dog required medications, prescription food and subq fluids daily for 2 years until I could no longer keep her comfortable (uremia).
    All received lots of antibiotics when first diagnosed, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t.
    Never want to go through this again
    Homeopathic vets are dangerous in my opinion. I will never listen to one again.

    kristin n
    Member

    Yes! My dog, Rowan, died 3 months after taking 1 dose of Nexgard Oral. She had just turned 5 years old.
    Please google #RowansNexgardStory for a video that I made to inform others of the dangers of oral flea and tick medicine.

    #143883
    GSDsForever
    Participant

    Lyme is just one disease ticks spread. You really do not want your dog to have Ehrlichia either. Some cases can present serious symptoms, be challenging for a vet to diagnose and treat. This is particularly true when it is not known that the dog was exposed to a tick or when.

    Mia, I am not aware of other vaccines for this. But I don’t know that I would use one either.

    Good alternatives depend upon the area of the country you live in, what exposure and risk your dog faces.

    Where I live, for both ticks and fleas, avoidance works well. Regular physical inspection head to toe of a dog’s body by an owner, regular grooming, is helpful for many health concerns.

    Patricia A
    Participant

    Just saw this last night on News 11 NYC. Horrible to watch. Her vet said nothing to her about possible side effects of these meds. I always wondered why people wold not even think twice about giving their pet these oral pesticides.
    https://pix11.com/2019/07/22/side-effects-risk-of-some-flea-and-tick-medications/

    #143878
    GSDsForever
    Participant

    I’m receiving an error message that does not correspond with what I see on my screen here. I don’t *think* this is a duplicate post, but a technical malfunction. (Please pardon me if it is.)

    Nadia,

    The only guidance I’ve ever received or read from trustworthy experts in diagnosing and treating dog food allergies is a food trial:

    *Novel protein diet for up to 12 weeks (or other hypoallergenic test diet, like hydrolyzed) to evaluate for relief
    *Followed by challenging testing the dog with one single food at a time, a former/suspected ingredient allergen

    I’ve been there, with a very itchy dog with food and other allergies. And the above is the route I’ve followed, with a primary care vet and boarded specialist. We also did things to exclude other diagnoses. That’s what I would recommend.

    I’ve heard (and read here) of others referencing blood tests, saliva tests, hair tests, etc. But to the best of my knowledge, there is not medical evidence to support their efficacy and they are not the standard of care in the medical community.

    I worry that such tests not only scam well-meaning pet owners out of money (which they could use otherwise to help their pets), but also lead people to come up with long lists of ingredients that their dogs are supposedly allergic to such that diet choices become severely limited. (IMO, it is very unlikely that these dogs are allergic to numerous and very uncommon things, things that the dog has never been exposed to.)

    Re fleas, allergy or standard reactions to them are more common than are food allergies. (Inhalant and environmental allergies also are common culprits for itching.)

    Vacuum, vacuum, vacuum. It will eliminate a lot of flea problems. Flea dirt is more likely to be discovered than fleas and fleas spend more of their life cycle off the dog in its environment than on. Vacuuming will also help keep pollen, irritants lower inside (as will removing shoes, etc.)

    #143875
    GSDsForever
    Participant

    Nadia,

    The only guidance I’ve ever received or read from trustworthy experts in diagnosing and treating dog food allergies is a food trial:

    *Novel protein diet for up to 12 weeks (or other hypoallergenic test diet, like hydrolyzed) to evaluate for relief
    *Followed by challenging testing the dog with one single food at a time, a former/suspected ingredient allergen

    I’ve been there, with a very itchy dog with food and other allergies. And the above is the route I’ve followed, with a primary care vet and boarded specialist. We also did things to exclude other diagnoses. That’s what I would recommend.

    I’ve heard (and read here) of others referencing blood tests, saliva tests, hair tests, etc. But to the best of my knowledge, there is not medical evidence to support their efficacy and they are not the standard of care in the medical community.

    I worry that such tests not only scam well-meaning pet owners out of money (which they could use otherwise to help their pets), but also lead people to come up with long lists of ingredients that their dogs are supposedly allergic to such that diet choices become severely limited. (IMO, it is very unlikely that these dogs are allergic to numerous and very uncommon things, things that the dog has never been exposed to.)

    Re fleas, allergy or standard reactions to them are more common than are food allergies. (Inhalant and environmental allergies also are common culprits for itching.)

    Vacuum, vacuum, vacuum. It will eliminate a lot of flea problems. Flea dirt is more likely to be discovered than fleas and fleas spend more of their life cycle off the dog in its environment than on. Vacuuming will also help keep pollen, irritants lower inside (as will removing shoes, etc.)

    • This reply was modified 6 years, 4 months ago by GSDsForever.
    #143872
    anonymous
    Member

    I knew it (carpeting)! If the dog has a flea allergy, you may not see any signs of fleas. Again one flea bite can wreak havoc.
    Work closely with your vet, however…
    If the dog’s symptoms continue, please consider consulting a veterinary dermatologist, that was the only thing that helped my dog. Intradermal allergy testing
    https://www.preventivevet.com/dogs/canine-atopic-dermatitis-environmental-allergies-in-dogs
    Final words about atopic dermatitis in dogs
    “It is also very important for any dog with atopic dermatitis to be on a year-round, comprehensive flea control program. Atopic dogs tend to be more sensitive to the bites of fleas, so even occasional fleabites should be prevented. Speak with your veterinarian about a safe and effective flea prevention program for all the pets in your home, and learn more about fleas here”.

    “Managing this lifelong condition takes some patience. By using various combinations of therapy, and altering the treatment when needed, your veterinarian can help your atopic dog feel and look their best. And for cases that prove difficult to manage, there are board-certified veterinary dermatology specialists that are available to help. You can search for a specialist in your area on the website for the American College of Veterinary Dermatology”.

    The only accurate way to do a food elimination trial is with prescription/therapeutic diet food.

    Otherwise, it’s a waste of time.

    #143871
    Nadia K
    Participant

    I actually took my pup to the vet last week to have her checked for fleas as there was some debris in her fur. But the vet said it was just a little dirt from outside. She checked her thoroughly and said there was no signs of fleas. We do have carpeting in some rooms in our house. But she has been confined to just the kitchen and tile area of our family room due to potty training. I guess I will just have to do a food trial as suggested to see if I can narrow down what is causing her itching.

    JACKEE N
    Member

    My 50lb pit mix had allergic reactions to both Nexgard and Advantix K9 III. Both same reaction, swollen eyes and snout with hives all over body. Was given benedryl and steroids over the course of weeks, both times. Vet wants to recommend another tick med, but I am refusing. Don’t want to do a trial and error on the dog. Anyone else have a dog that simply cannot tolerate any traditional tick/flea meds?

    #143866
    anonymous
    Member

    Have fleas been ruled out? Let me guess, you have carpeting? Flea allergy is common and can wreak havoc even after just one flea bite.
    Talk to your vet.
    /forums/search/environmental+allergies/

    • This reply was modified 6 years, 4 months ago by anonymous.
    #143861
    Patricia A
    Participant

    Well I rather be safe and not walk my dog in areas known to have ticks . I stay away from wooded areas and tall grass.They are given a full check each time they even go out in my backyard. Her vet didn’t even mention side effects. Side effects from thes meds are a lot worse then itching from fleas . Would YOU take a monthly medication to prevent lyme disease with possible neurological side effects that cannot be cured???????

    #143860
    anonymous
    Member

    Talk to your vet, all effective medications including flea/tick preventives have potential side effects.

    I watched a dog die from Lyme disease caused by a tick bite. Not diagnosed in time, spent $$ trying to keep that dog comfortable for two years. The dog went into kidney failure (incompatible with life).

    I’ll take the possibility of side effects from flea/tick preventives over that nightmare any day.

    #143859
    Patricia A
    Participant

    Just saw this last night on News 11 NYC. Horrible to watch. Her vet said nothing to her about possible side effects of these meds. I always wondered why people wold not even think twice about giving their pet these oral pesticides.
    https://pix11.com/2019/07/22/side-effects-risk-of-some-flea-and-tick-medications/

    #142618
    anonymous
    Member

    Let’s hope it’s acute rather than chronic, maybe he got into something toxic?

    Did he receive oral or topical flea/tick medication recently? Seresto collar?

    See how he looks 10 days from now. But I would leave a message for your vet to call you back and discuss if he continues to be sick

    Example /forums/topic/4-year-old-chihuahua-jack-russel-mix-and-seizures/#post-120430

    • This reply was modified 6 years, 5 months ago by anonymous.
    #142480
    Camala J
    Member

    Hi, How did fleameds.us work out? I am looking for a new supplier, I treat all of my families pets and they have great prices.

    • This reply was modified 6 years, 5 months ago by Camala J.
    anonymous
    Member

    Give him a good bath with a mild dog shampoo then take him to the vet.

    Even if you find no fleas, if your dog has a flea allergy just 1 flea bite could cause an extreme reaction.

    Do you have carpeting? Get it professionally cleaned (at the least). Maybe removed. Have the house/apartment fumigated if need be.

    Talk to your vet, use preventives, there are many to pick from depending on your location and the severity of the problem.

    Don’t let the dog suffer, get professional advice (not the internet).

    haleycookie
    Member

    Get a flea comb from a pet store. Run it through the fur on his belly, base of his tail, and under the neck and face area. Fleas love all those areas. The comb will pull any adults out and that’ll tell u if she has fleas or not.

    #139176
    Patricia A
    Participant

    Ooops..Forgot to write after I copied and pasted my questions. Which if any heart worm medication do you use. Has anyone experienced side effects with any of the medications? Never gave all year since I live in the North East so have cold weather starting in the fall. Have an appointment with my vet for blood work. I want to get a heart med that ONLY kills the heart worm larva if my dog gets infected and NOT the all in one flea/tick and other parasites which I gave last year.
    I just hate giving my two small dogs these poisons but I don’t want to take the chance .

    #138659
    Patricia A
    Participant

    Anon Whole Dog Journal’s article regarding DCM sounds pretty science based to me. There are also articles in Whole Dog Journal regarding the negative effects of yearly vaccinations for our pets . Holistic is not voodoo science anyway. Where some vets will push everything the drug salesman brings to their practice, holistic vets questions the need and the worth of giving certain medications when at times the side effects are worse then the problem . Example flea and tick medicines. Some have devastating effects on the health of our pets and the vets don’t find out till it’s too late. Below is full Whole Dog Journals article .
    DCM in Dogs: Taurine’s Role in the Canine Diet
    What is taurine-deficiency dilated cardiomyopathy (DCM), and how can dog owners prevent it? (Hint: It involves more than just grain-free foods.)

    By Linda P. Case – August 15, 20180

    TAURINE FOR DOGS: OVERVIEW

    Taurine Is Needed For:

    1. Healthy heart function
    2. As a component of bile acids
    3. Retinal function
    4. Reproductive health

    Dietary Risk Factors for Reduced Taurine Status:

    – Low-protein diet (limited taurine precursors)
    – Heat-damaged or poor-quality protein sources
    – High dietary fiber (i.e., rice bran, beet pulp, cellulose)
    – Lamb and rice diets (speculated)
    – Plant-based protein sources (peas, lentils, legumes) (speculated)

    Possible Risk Factors for Taurine-Deficiency DCM:

    BREEDS
    American Cocker Spaniel
    English Setter
    Golden Retriever
    Labrador Retriever
    Newfoundland
    St. Bernard

    SIZE
    Large-breed dogs
    Dogs with slower metabolic rates

    DIET
    Factors that reduce taurine production
    Factors that increase taurine-degrading microbes in the intestine
    Factors that reduce bile acid production

    In mid-July 2018, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) released an alert to veterinarians and pet owners regarding reports of increased incidence of a heart disease called canine dilated cardiomyopathy (DCM). This disorder is characterized by weakening of the heart muscle, which leads to a decreased ability of the heart to pump, and if untreated, to cardiac failure. The reported cases occurred in breeds that are not considered to be genetically predisposed to this disorder.

    Further, a significant number of the dogs were found to have reduced levels of circulating taurine in their blood and have responded positively to taurine supplementation. It is speculated that these cases are related to the consumption of foods that negatively affect taurine status, leading to taurine-deficiency DCM. Foods containing high levels of peas, lentils, other legume seeds, and/or potatoes were identified by the FDA as potential risk factors. These ingredients are found commonly in foods that are formulated and promoted as ā€œgrain-free.ā€

    As these things go, there followed a lot of hype and a fair bit of hysteria in response. Let us avoid this type of reaction and instead look at the evidence: What do we currently know about the role of diet and taurine in the development of DCM in dogs – and how is it that ā€œgrain-freeā€ foods have been recently targeted as a possible dietary cause?

    grain free dog food concerns
    Signs of Dilated Cardiomyopathy (DCM) in Dogs

    DCM is a disease of the heart, which causes the heart muscles themselves to weaken, which, in turn, reduces the ability of the heart to pump blood through the dog’s body as it should. The heart becomes enlarged and flabby, and fluid begins to accumulate in the dog’s lungs. As this condition progresses, it causes congestive heart failure.

    Early signs of DCM may include:

    – Lethargy, decreased energy
    – A persistent cough
    – Difficulty breathing, rapid or excessive breathing, or seeming shortness of breath
    – Episodes of collapse
    – Anorexia (chronic loss of appetite)

    By the time these signs appear, the disease may already be fairly advanced. That’s why it’s important to make an appointment to see your veterinarian right away if your dog displays any of these signs, or more than one of these signs. Often, owners of middle-aged or senior dogs think that their dogs’ symptoms are ā€œjust old age,ā€ but a quick diagnosis and treatment can restore an affected dog’s quality of life to nearly normal – and extend the dog’s life far past an untreated dog’s prognosis.

    Treatment usually involves medications that help the dog’s heart to contract, slow his rapid pulse, help control the accumulation of fluid in his lungs, and dilate his blood vessels – all actions that will improve the heart’s performance.

    What is Taurine? Why Do Dogs Need Taurine?

    The nutrient taurine is a unique type of amino acid, called a beta-amino sulfonic acid. It is not incorporated into proteins but rather is found primarily as a free amino acid in body tissues and circulating in the blood. Taurine has many functions, but two that are important for this discussion involve its role in normal heart function and its presence as a component of bile acids, which are needed for fat digestion. Most animals obtain adequate taurine to meet their needs by producing it endogenously (in the body) from two other amino acids, methionine and cysteine.

    This means that while most animals require taurine physiologically, most do not have a dietary requirement for taurine. The exception to this rule is the cat. Cats (but not dogs) always require a source of taurine in their food. If they do not have it, one of the diseases that they can develop (and possibly die from) is – you guessed it – DCM.

    taurine structure
    Taurine-deficiency DCM is well documented in cats. We also know quite a lot about the dietary factors that contribute to this disease in that species. In contrast, dogs (usually) do not require a source of dietary taurine. However, we know that some dogs still develop taurine-deficiency DCM. Why does this happen? The history of DCM in cats can help in untangling what may be occurring in dogs.

    Taurine-Deficiency DCM in Cats

    Looking back, I cannot avoid a sense of dĆ©jĆ  vu. In the early 1980s, veterinarians began reporting increased incidences of DCM in pet cats. By 1987, a role for dietary taurine was suspected. In a seminal study, a veterinary researcher at UC Davis reported low plasma (blood) taurine levels in 21 cats with clinical signs of DCM. 1 When the cats were supplemented with taurine, all 21 recovered from the disease. This discovery led to a series of controlled studies that supported the existence of taurine-deficiency DCM in cats who were fed diets that contained sufficient concentrations of taurine.

    What was going on?

    It has to do with bile acids. Another role of taurine in the body is that it is necessary for normal bile acid function. Taurine is linked to bile acids in the liver to form bile salts. During digestion, these compounds are secreted into the small intestine, where they function to aid in fat digestion. Animals are very efficient at conserving the taurine that is secreted into the intestine by reabsorbing the bile salts back into the body further down the intestinal tract. This occurs through a process called ā€œenterohepatic reutilizationā€ and prevents a daily loss of taurine in the feces.

    Herein lies the problem for cats with DCM: If anything happens during digestion that causes the degradation of the bile salt taurine or that inhibits its reabsorption into the body, more is lost in the feces. If this happens consistently, the cat will experience an increase in his or her daily need for dietary taurine. Simply put – if anything causes the cat to poop out more taurine-bile acid complexes (or their degraded by-products), the cat will be in danger of a taurine deficiency if a higher level is not provided in the diet.

    This is exactly what was happening in the cats with taurine-deficiency DCM – and is possibly what we are seeing today in dogs. The difference is that we know what diet factors caused taurine deficiency in cats during the late 1980s. These factors are not yet fully understood for dogs (but we can make a few guesses).

    What We Know About Diet and Taurine Status

    The studies with cats found that several dietary factors influenced taurine status. These were the level and type of dietary protein, the amount and type of dietary fiber, and the degree of heat that was used during food processing. These factors could affect taurine status in three ways:

    1. Bile Acid Binding

    Certain fibers and peptides (small protein chains) in the food can bind with bile salts in the small intestine and make them unavailable for reabsorption into the body. This results in an increased daily loss of taurine in the feces and a subsequent increase in daily taurine requirement to replace that loss.

    2. Increased Microbial Degradation

    Thermal processing of protein (extrusion or canning) can lead to the production of Maillard products – complexes of sugars and amino acids that are poorly digested in the small intestine. The undigested complexes travel to the large intestine and provide an intestinal environment that favors increased numbers of taurine-degrading bacteria. An increase in these bacterial populations reduces the proportion of taurine that is available for reabsorption and reuse by the body.

    3. Reduced Taurine Availability

    Taurine is found naturally in animal-based proteins but is not found in plant-based protein sources. Therefore, providing diets that include a sufficient level of high-quality animal proteins (that are not heat damaged) should ensure adequate taurine intake.

    However, protein that is of low quality or that has been excessively heat-treated will be poorly digested, reducing the availability of taurine and of its precursor amino acids, cysteine and methionine.

    In the early 1990s, in response to this new information regarding the interaction of dietary factors and taurine status in cats (and their relationship to DCM in cats), the Association of American Feed Control Officials (AAFCO) increased the recommendations for dietary taurine in extruded and canned cat foods.

    Taurine Deficiency in Dogs

    Unlike the cat, dogs who are fed diets containing adequate levels of protein should be capable of synthesizing enough taurine from cysteine and methionine to meet their needs. Therefore, a requirement for dietary taurine has not been generally recognized in dogs.

    However, there is evidence – evidence that we have had for at least 15 years – that certain breeds of dogs, and possibly particular lines within breeds, exhibit a high prevalence of taurine-deficiency DCM. Genetically predisposed breeds include the American Cocker Spaniel, Golden Retriever, Labrador Retriever, Saint Bernard, Newfoundland, and English Setter.  Although the exact underlying cause is not known, it appears that some breeds have either a naturally occurring higher requirement for taurine or a metabolic abnormality that affects their taurine synthesis or utilization.

    A second factor that affects taurine status in dogs is size. There is evidence that a large adult size and a relatively slow metabolic rate influences the rate of taurine production in the body and may subsequently lead to a dietary taurine requirement. It is theorized that increased body size in dogs is associated with an enhanced risk for developing taurine deficiency and that this risk may be exacerbated by a breed-specific genetic predisposition.

    There is additional evidence that large and giant breed dogs have lower rates of taurine production compared with small dogs. Ultimately, studies suggest that certain dogs possess a genetic predisposition to taurine depletion and increased susceptibility to taurine-deficiency DCM and that this susceptibility may be related to the combined factors of breed, size, and metabolic rate.

    Taurine in Dog Food Diets

    The recent spate of cases and media attention to taurine-deficiency DCM in dogs suggests that this is a very new problem in dogs. However, it is not new. A connection between diet and DCM in dogs was first described in a paper published in the Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association in 2001. What is new is the sudden focus on certain pet food ingredients and the target that appears to have been placed upon the backs of all ā€œgrain-freeā€ pet food brands by some bloggers and veterinarians.

    Not to put too fine a point on this, but the 12 cases of taurine-deficiency DCM described in the 2001 paper were collected between 1997 and 2001, years before grain-free dog foods had arrived on the pet food scene. Rather than disparage one class or type of dog food (or pet food company), it is more important to look at specific dietary factors that may be involved in DCM in dogs.

    Generally speaking, these are expected to be the same as those identified for cats, including low protein levels, poorly processed or heat-damaged proteins (leading to Maillard products), and the inclusion of a high proportion of plant-based protein sources such as peas and legumes.

    Over the past 15 years, reduced taurine status in dogs has been associated with feeding lamb meal and rice diets, soybean-based diets, rice bran, beet pulp, and high fiber diets. As with cats, there appear to be multiple dietary (and genetic) factors involved.

    For example, it was theorized that the perceived (not proven) association between lamb meal and taurine status was due to low levels of available amino acids present in the lamb meal, or to excessive heat damage of the protein, or to the confounding factor of the inclusion of rice bran in many lamb meal-containing foods. To date, none of these factors have been conclusively proven or disproven. However, the most recent study showed that three types of fiber source – rice bran, cellulose, and beet pulp – all caused reduced plasma taurine levels in dogs when included in a marginally low protein diet, with beet pulp causing the most pronounced decrease.

    Complicated? You bet. This is why it is important to avoid making unsupported claims about certain foods and brands. Taurine-deficiency DCM has been around for a while in dogs and continues to need study before making definitive conclusions about one or more specific dietary causes.

    Current Considerations of Taurine in Dog Food

    We know that any dietary factor that reduces the availability of taurine precursors, binds taurine bile salts in the intestine, or causes an increase in the bacteria populations that degrade taurine, can reduce a dog’s ability to synthesize taurine or will increase taurine degradation and/or loss in the feces. These changes could ultimately compromise a dog’s taurine status (especially if the dog was genetically predisposed) and affect heart health. In extreme cases, as we are seeing, this can lead to taurine-deficiency DCM (see ā€œA Few Things to Know About Taurineā€ above).

    The FDA report identified foods that contain high amounts of peas, lentils, legume seeds, or potatoes to be of potential concern. The FDA also stated that the underlying cause of DCM in the reported cases is not known and that at this time, the diet-DCM relationship is only correlative (not causative). However, this has not stopped various bloggers and even some veterinarians from targeting small pet food companies and/or grain-free brands of food, and implying that these foods, and these foods alone, are causing taurine-deficiency DCM in dogs. Their reasoning is that peas and legumes are present in high amounts in foods that are formulated and marketed as grain-free.

    However, the truth is that many companies and brands of food include these ingredients. More importantly, there is no clear evidence showing that a particular dog food type, brand, or even ingredient is solely responsible for taurine-deficiency DCM in dogs.

    Rather, it is more reasonable and responsible to speculate that one or more of these ingredients, their interactions, or the effects of ingredient quality, heat treatment, and food processing may play a role. Furthermore, the underlying cause could be the protein, starch, or fiber fractions of these ingredients. As plant-source proteins, peas, lentils, and legumes include varying amounts of starch (both digestible and resistant forms) and dietary fiber. These protein sources are also generally less nutritionally complete and less digestible than are high quality animal source proteins – additional factors that could influence a dog’s ability to both produce and use taurine. Potatoes, in contrast, provide a digestible source of starch in an extruded food but also contain varying levels of resistant starch, which is not digested and behaves much like dietary fiber in the intestinal tract.

    Conclusions on Grain-Free Food and DCM

    Because any or all of these dietary factors could be risk factors for taurine-deficiency DCM in dogs, and because peas, legumes, and other ingredients identified by the FDA report have not yet been fully studied, the heart of the matter is that no conclusions can yet be made about the underlying dietary cause or causes of taurine-deficiency DCM in dogs.

    But given what we do know, we recommend feeding a diet that contains sufficient levels of high-quality, animal-source protein, does not include plant-source proteins as primary protein sources, and does not contain high levels of dietary fiber.

    If you are worried about your dog’s taurine status or heart health, whether due to his diet history or physical signs that are of concern, see your veterinarian for a complete physical examination and, if needed, to measure plasma levels of taurine. 

    Cited Studies

    1. Pion PD, Kittleson MD, Rogers QR, et al. ā€œMyocardial failure in cats associated with low plasma taurine: A reversible cardiomyopathy.ā€ Science 1987; 237:764-768.

    2. Earl KE, Smith PM. ā€œThe effect of dietary taurine content on the plasma taurine concentration of the cat.ā€ British Journal of Nutrition 1991; 66:227-235.

    3. Hickman MA, Morris JG, Rogers QR. ā€œEffect of processing on the fate of dietary taurine in cats.ā€ Journal of Nutrition 1990; 120:995-1000.

    4. Hickman HA, Morris JG, Rogers QR. ā€œIntestinal taurine and the enterohepatic circulation of taurocholic acid in the cat.ā€ Advances in Experimental Medicine and Biology 1992; 315:45-54.

    5. Freeman LM, Rush JE, Brown DJ, et al. ā€œRelationship between circulating and dietary taurine concentrations in dogs with dilated cardiomyopathy.ā€ Veterinary Therapeutics 2001; 370-378.

    6. Backus RC, Ko KS, Fascetti AJ. ā€œLow plasma taurine concentration in Newfoundland dogs is associated with low plasma methionine and cysteine concentrations and low taurine synthesis.ā€ Journal of Nutrition 2006; 136:2525-2533.

    7. Ko KS, Backus RC, Berg JR, et al. ā€œDifferences in taurine synthesis rate among dogs relate to differences in their maintenance energy requirement.ā€ Journal of Nutrition 2007; 137:1171-1175.

    8. Fascetti AJ, Reed JR, Roger QR, et al. ā€œTaurine deficiency in dogs with dilated cardiomyopathy: 12 cases (1997 – 2001).ā€ Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association 2001; 223:1137-1141.

    9. Delaney SJ, Kass PH, Rogers QR, Fascetti AJ. ā€œPlasma and whole blood taurine in normal dogs of varying size fed commercially prepared food.ā€ Journal of Animal Physiology and Animal Nutrition 2003; 87:235-244.

    10. Torres CL, Backus RC, Fascetti AJ, et al. ā€œTaurine status in normal dogs fed a commercial diet associated with taurine deficiency and dilated cardiomyopathy.ā€ Journal of Animal Physiology and Animal Nutrition 2003; 87:359-372.

    11. Ko KS, Fascetti AJ. ā€œDietary beet pulp decreases taurine status in dogs fed low protein diet.ā€ Journal of Animal Science and Technology 2016; 58:29-39.

    Linda P. Case is the owner of AutumnGold Consulting & Dog Training Center in Mahomet, Illinois. Linda is the author of Dog Food Logic, has a new book, Dog Smart, and writes The Science Dog blog.

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    #135667
    Susan
    Participant

    Hi Chandler,

    Are you using these flea/tick chews??
    The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) issued a warning on September 20, 2018 about the isoxazoline flea and tick products fluralaner for dogs and cats (BravectoĀ®), afoxalaner for dogs (NexgardĀ®), and saroloner for dogs (SimparicaĀ®).

    https://www.tumblr.com/drjeandoddspethealthresource/178817671296/fda-warning-flea-tick-products

    Here’s Judys Morgan video – Seizures and Rabies Vaccine? grab a cuppa & sit back & watch..
    https://www.facebook.com/JudyMorganDVM/videos/1395272883855050/

    Has your vet done blood tests & checked her Liver, if Liver enzymes are very high you need to detox your dog.??
    My Patches Liver Enzymes were high when he was eating TOTW Sierra Mountain Lamb kibble-2017 then few years later 2019 TOTW was tested & was very high in Lead??

    “Judy Morgan DVM” Face book page her “Video’s”
    https://www.drjudymorgan.com/category/videos/

    Have you looked into home cooking?? stop feeding pet foods as they are high toxins, heavy metals & contaminates
    Here’s Dr Judy Morgan cooking on CBS New York Video making an easy recipe in a crock pot or oven, then her 2nd video
    Judy is using cooling foods to cool the dog body down what your dog might need, scroll down Pup loaf, Bone Broth, Golden Paste..
    Get her book Ying & Yang..

    #132547

    In reply to: Cat vaccines!!

    haleycookie
    Member

    I would vaccinate an outdoor cat yearly, make sure he has a tag and collar on so if someone picks him up they can get ahold of you, make sure u are also deworming monthly and keeping a flea and heart worm preventative on him monthly as well. Outside is a dangerous place for cats. Know that he will have a shorter life span than indoor cats as well.

    #132289

    In reply to: Fleas and NexGard

    William T
    Member

    Well, as you said that your wife is pregnant, so it is better that you should go for natural remedies. There are many things that really do work naturally like using of health food store, neem oil, add some garlic to their food which will help to kill the fleas.
    Another method is Borax, if you have carpet in your home, you can sprinkle them and after 24 hours you can become up.
    But, if these methods does not work, then you can go for pest control services, as they will have an extensive experience in flea control.

    • This reply was modified 6 years, 9 months ago by William T.
    #131953
    anonymous
    Member

    Quote “Well, scouring the net, Royal Canine does not seem to have a good reputation in general”

    Stop scouring the net! Too much bogus information. Listen to a veterinary healthcare professional that has examined the dog. What worked for someone else’s dog won’t necessarily work for yours.

    Five days! Give the dog a break, they need at least a month to transition. She is probably grieving her previous home.
    Some dogs stop eating when they are kenneled, never mind being sent to a new home.
    A small breed at 6 months is almost an adult.
    In fact, I hope she has been fixed. The vets those shelters use do the bare minimum due to budget constraints.
    Usually just vaccinations and a quick look over…not a thorough exam.
    Make sure her teeth are okay, small breeds have lousy teeth, if there is pain that would explain her reluctance to eat.
    This is a good time to find a vet near home and have a meet and greet. Discuss flea/tick prevention, heartworm meds, etc.

    #131651
    Christie B
    Member

    Back in December, my mother adopted a 3 year old beagle from a local rescue group. She had been shipped up to NY from KY. Her “story” was that she had been tied outside, used to breed, was mistreated and had no social contact with people. She arrived in NY missing 4-5 of her front teeth. Why they had been extracted is a mystery, but it could have been from her attempting to free herself of the rope/chain around her neck, eating rocks or tooth decay. Despite her rough start, she’s a sweetheart. Tail always wagging.

    She has never experienced affection. She jumps up on her hind legs to greet you, but doesn’t lick. She plays well with my mother’s other dog, a 3 year old mixed breed.

    But she has this one issue: constant scratching under her neck. From day 1 this has been an issue. At first, the vet that the rescue uses said it could be from the medication she was on (from the dental surgery), or from the flea/tick preventative that they had given her prior to her trip up north, or the dewormer that they give prior to any adoption.

    The scratching never stopped and it’s completely random. We’ve brought her back to the vet. They gave her a different antibiotic. No help. We asked if it could possible be an emotional response and she said that dogs don’t do that (which I didn’t believe).

    So now it’s been almost 3 months and she still scratches, day and night. I’ve tried anti-itch cream but it doesn’t help. She’s scratching herself raw. She does have separation anxiety. She’ll cry and howl at the front door if you leave. It’s gotten better over time but she does not like being left alone.

    And now we’ve noticed accidents when my mother has gone to let them out in the morning. Since no one witnesses it, we don’t know for sure which dog has been peeing. But my mother’s other dog doesn’t have issues like that. And it only happens after my mother goes to bed and the dogs are left alone.

    Is there anything that can be done to address the itching?

    #131436
    jackie o
    Member

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    #131138
    Susan
    Participant

    Hi Cheryl,

    Which Flea product did he take?? did you report to FDA

    https://www.tumblr.com/drjeandoddspethealthresource/178817671296/fda-warning-flea-tick-products

    When you do get a new dog DO NOT use any of these never Flea chews they’re poison,
    “Frontline Plus Spot on” or “Frontline Spray” only penitrates 2 layers of the dogs skin, so it doesn’t go into the dogs blood & poison the poor dog… I do not use any Flea products, Heartworm meds, dont vaccinate after the dog is 2 yrs old

    Follow “Dr John Robb Protect The Pets”
    https://www.facebook.com/DRRobbPTP/
    they have found a dogs vaccination last up to 7 yrs, so why are these vets over vaccinating our pets & now if you have a small dog under 50lbs – 25kg check & make sure the vaccination dose is 1/2 the amount..

    Follow “Rodney Habib” on his F/B page he post about nutrition, over vaccinating, diets, dog behaviour, why is your dog so hyper its probably whats he’s eating, Rodney & Dr Karen Becker are both a wealth of information to bring up a healthy dog, he’s doing a story at teh moment oldest living dogs & what they ate.. it wasnt dry kibble try & stay away from over processed dry kibble…
    Look into feeding a raw diet or if you cant handle raw look at Freeze dried/Dehydrated raw…there’s heaps of good brands around..
    https://www.facebook.com/rodneyhabib

    #131108
    Cheryl P
    Member

    My two-and-a-half-year-old border collie died this past January he develop seizures because of an ingested flea medication. But I have a question when I went to the vet, I asked about putting my dog on a grain-free diet, his reply was that it would be bad for his heart? Anyone know why he would say that? I may get another pup this summer and I want to start him off right. And I still have a five-year-old border collie at home

    #129611
    Susan
    Participant

    Hi,
    Sorry for your loss,

    If you were using flea products this could have contributed to health problems causing death… epecially the newer flea chews BravectoĀ®, NexgardĀ®, SimparicaĀ®, and CredelioĀ®. this could have contributed to health problems & death..

    The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) issued a warning on September 20, 2018 about the isoxazoline flea and tick products fluralaner for dogs and cats (BravectoĀ®), afoxalaner for dogs (NexgardĀ®), and saroloner for dogs (SimparicaĀ®).
    The recently introduced isoxazoline, lotilaner (CredelioĀ®) for dogs falls into this same class.
    Very Poison & people are giving these chews to their poor pets..

    https://mailchi.mp/hemopet.org/fda-issues-warning-about-flea-and-tick-products?fbclid=IwAR0-KVkowgbUnGOjwv8FNs5_TLecpMWPYGiwBTFsDvTlob05-JiaYAybDDQ

    #129609
    Sherri C
    Member

    I had 3 dogs. One was a 13 year healthy Chihuahua. Another one was a healthy 10 year MinPin Chihuahua. And my healthy 10 year old Boxer mix. I had always bought them Pedigree dog food. I started to do research on healthier dog food and the grain free got good reviews so back in 2016 I changed to grain free. All my dogs were very healthy at the time. After changing to grain free dog food I now have 2 dogs that have passed and my Boxer is now sick. All within 2 years of feeding them grain free dog food. They have all gotten congestive heart failure. I thought I was doing something wrong for all my dogs to be passing from this disease. After talking to my vet and doing the math. I realized that it was the grain free dog food killing my animals. My MinPin started to have allergies. It started with ear problems. I was slow to figure out what was going on and I so I lost my MinPin the day after Christmas. Grain free is killing our fur babies and so is the toxic flea medication. Its pure pesticide that you put on your animal. If you love your fur babies, don’t feed them grain free dog or the toxic flea medication.

    #128428
    Peter K
    Member

    Hey guys, it is very concerning to see that there are so many pups with similar issues.. After that whole bone in kibble debacle, during my last update (sorry its been so long) I sent a sample of the kibble to Acana HQ in Alberta. It’s been over a year an I have still not received a follow-up, I have sent probably three separate emails asking for a follow-up. Going to give Champion foods the benefit of the doubt and just assume it was just negligence and poor customer service from the rep.

    I’ve been with Champion foods for about four years now – what brought us to them was their quality control and stricter regulations when they used to make everything in Canada.

    I know someone mentioned their current lawsuit regarding false claims on % in their foods… Long story short, a study from a group claims that the food analysis does not match what Champion foods is claiming on their bags, website etc… (please correct me if I’m wrong)

    **DISCLAIMER** Now, PLEASE do your own research and due diligence but after looking into more, it seemed like the food itself was safe (it wasnt a recall or salmonella scare). So we continued to feed Leo Acana but stayed away from the Meadowlands formula and strictly switched him on red meat/ heritage meat. He has been doing well on it and I haven’t found any foreign objects in any of his food. When I purchase a new bag, I empty it out in our Vittles Vault and look for anything unusual.

    As much as I want to stay with Acana/ Champion foods the last bag we brought home didn’t have any abnormalities but….. He has thrown up a couple of times (happened about two weeks ago). Now, at the time I thought it was just because he ate too fast or didnt chew enough (#doglogic) but I’m beginning to worry about it after so many of you mentioned your pups were also vomiting… Can’t say for sure there is any correlation between the food and him throwing up, but it would be a lie if I didn’t think it had a little to do with it.

    Some of you have asked what other foods are good, personally, the only other food our pup was on is Fromm. The only reason we switched to Acana at the time was because they offered the single protein formulas, we thought he had a chicken allergy because he kept getting hot spots and rashes… So we switched him to Acana and everyone was happy. Turns out it was fleas… We were living near a heavily wooden area and fleas would just get to him when we’re outside… Even with flea medication, the flea still bites – they just die after.

    If you are lucky enough to be able to source the Canadian made formulas, then Id’ say its as good as you can get. However… With the amount of money we are spending on these bags, (a #25 bag is over $70 after tax), we deserve better… our pups deserve better…

    We have been on the fence of switching up his food since he has been on Acana for about 4 or 5 years now. Good to add variety and I think we are going to go back to Fromm. They are a small company and offer similar formulas. One thing to watch out for is that they do use real Wisconsin cheese, so if your pup is sensitive to cheese/ dairy, might not be a good fit.

    It’s been so long since I’ve looked at new foods.. It’ll be great to hear what others have also switched to or plan to switch to.

    Thank you guys for all your comments and keeping this thread alive for so long, I hope this will gain some attention from Champion foods… Someone wise once told me your brand is only as good as your last product..

    #127939
    Susan
    Participant

    Hi Christine,

    I would stay away from all dog fish dry/wet foods they have been found to be High in Heavy Metals, Toxins & Contaminates..
    The Purina Pro Plan Sensitive Stomach Salmon formula has been on the 1 star high in toxins/heavy metals list. The company list changes every 3 months when they re test 299 most popular Dog & Cat Wet, Dry & Treat foods..
    Google dog foods Contaminates, Heavy Metals, Im not allow to post the link…

    Can you feed him a home made fresh raw or cooked balance diet ? this will be healthier diet then dry kibble… or start adding fresh whole foods to his kibble & reduce his kibble amount, buy tin Sarines in Spring water drain water & add 1/4 of a can to 1 meal a day, also Salmon drain water add 2 spoons to his meal, broccolli, peel/de seed apple, mussels, egg, fresh whole foods, left over after you’ve cooked dinner foods will be healthier then the dry kibble, I buy the Freeze Dried Mussels & give 1-2 mussels a day as a treat depends how big the mussels are you can also buy frozen mussels…

    Pitbulls Staffys are known to suffer with stomach problems so keep that in mind with his poo eating..
    He might be suffering with stomach problems if not, then after eating his brothers poo this isnt healthy.
    My Staffy a rescue has IBD & when I first got him he was eating poo,
    He needed to fix his gut bacteria get it healthy again, I put him on a dog probiotic powder add 10-15ml water with the recommend amount of probiotic powder, swirl water around in bowl to dissolve the probiotic give in morning on empty stomach as a treat…or buy Kefir give as a drink in the morning for breakfast, Bone Broth it’s very healthy for the gut aswell.

    I do no give my Staffy any Heartworm meds, my Boxer was given the yearly heartworm injection, after 1 of her injections when she was 7yrs old her gums went white she fainted & became very unwell & had to be rushed back to the vets, so the next time the vet reduced the heartworm dose, then I stopped giving them to her after I learnt she had cancer, she had Mast Cell cancer so keep an eye out for any weird type worts, lumps, skin tags etc especially around back legs.
    I don’t live in a high heartworm area there hasn’t been any cases now over 30yrs I asked my vet the other month cause Patch was getting his wierd wort/skin tags all removed & the vet wasn’t concerned about Patch not being heartwormed, she said they dont see any cases these days, But I live in Australia, so no need to give him posions to kill heartworms he probably doesnt even have, also the Mosquito has to bite an infected dog then come along & bite your dog then infect your dog, this take 6months to become a heartworm….

    I do not use any flea chews etc they are very toxic, they attack the flea & ticks nervous system & paralyze the flea & tick causing neurological problems with some dogs.
    If you have to use a flea product just use “Frontline Spot On ” or the “Frontline Spray” Frontline only penitrates 2 layers of the dogs skin & doesn’t go into their blood system like the other flea products, you can also make natural sprays aswell.

    Follow “Rodney Habib” he is always posting short video’s
    https://www.facebook.com/rodneyhabib
    also follow
    “Dr. John Robb – Protect the Pets” do not over vaccinate.
    https://www.facebook.com/DRRobbPTP/

    #127299

    In reply to: Frontline Side Effects

    Susan
    Participant

    Hi DM,
    I’d say it was the Nexgard causing his seizures.. these new oral flea chews paralize the flea & tick nervous system, so imagine what these new flea chews do to the poor dogs?

    Have you seen Rowans story, it’s so sad…he was given Nexgard…Both her dog were given Nexgard for the first time in their livies but Rowan reacted & was died within 5 months. šŸ™

    Frontline is the only flea spot on product that only penitrates 2 layers of the dogs skin & doesn’t go into the dogs blood system, my vet said “Frontline Plus Spot On” & the “Frontline spray” are both the least toxic out of all the flea products do not enter dogs blood & she recommened Frontline for my dog who suffers with IBD, he reacts to everything, he was OK when I applied the Frontline Spot On & I used the Frontline Spray to Spray his legs once a month, we had fleas at the park & he was bringing the fleas home, he’s allergic to fleas salvia & would itch for days after 1 flea bite.
    When he doesnt have any fleas I DO NOT apply any flea products & will never give any of these “new” toxic flea chews to him, they’re poison toxic.
    Heaps of dogs have died after having these new flra chews & now Im seeing adds for Bravecto 6month Spot On for cats, gee poor cats they’re more sensitive then dogs..

    Susan
    Participant

    Hi Rebecca,

    if you want to feed a healthy diet look at Raw, Cooked or Freeze dried Raw, Air Dried raw.
    Freeze Dried Raw looks like kibble & is quick & easy to give but Freeze dried & Air Dried hasn’t been cooked at high temps like kibble is cooked, all the good nutrition is still intact with freeze dried & Air Dried….

    Here’s “Canidae”
    https://www.canidae.com/dog-food/products/canidae-grain-free-pure-ancestral-raw-coated-dry-red-meat-formula-with-lamb-goat-wild-boar/

    Here’s “Wellness Core”

    Core Dog Products

    Here’s “Ziwi Peak” Air Dried Raw your dogs will love Ziwi Peak.
    https://www.ziwipets.com/catalog/ziwi-peak-dog-nutrition

    Kibble is the least healthy to feed a dog, if you feed a dry kibble start adding healthy ingredients to dogs diet, eggs, tin salmon, sweet potato, broccoli, beets, mussels, sardines in spring water, foods high in omega 3 for bones. skin, coat, brain,
    Shih tzu’s are prone to Pancreatitis so becareful with high fat diets..

    If you’re on Face Book follow

    * Judy Morgan DVM – Click on Judy video’s, heaps of good info, cooking recipes,
    https://www.facebook.com/JudyMorganDVM/

    * K-9 Kitchen- Monica Segal
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/K9Kitchen/

    * K-9 Nutrition Lew Olson
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/371592139642185/

    * Rodney Habib is excellent.
    https://www.facebook.com/rodneyhabib

    Also DO NOT over vaccinate follow – John Robbs
    https://www.facebook.com/john.robb.7982?lst=100000463318984%3A100004886320823%3A1542235370

    Flea Products – stay away from the new flea chews, they can cause neurological problems, do your research..
    The only flea product that doesn’t go into the dogs blood system is “Frontline Plus” Spot On & the “Frontline Spray” it only penetrates 2 layers of the dogs skin..

    Less toxins you put into your dogs system the healthier they will be,
    looks like they have landed on all 4 paws & ended up in a good home..

    #124991
    Patricia A
    Participant

    Honestly don’t know if if there is any validity to this . Can companies which were losing money when the grain free craze started be this sinister ? Ummm…of course.

    👉👉🔴Consider who funded the scientific research and Advertising Press Release. 👇🤭http://vetmed.tufts.edu/tufts-at-tech/donors/ (Hint: The list is similar to the same companies who fund the research at UC DAVIS Veterinary Medicine)👇
    The following companies gave to the UC School of Veterinary Medicine of more than One Million Dollars Each?

    Mars Incorporated

    Hill’s Pet Nutrition

    Morris Animal Foundation

    American Kennel Club

    American Kennel Club Canine Health Foundation

    Bayer Corporation
    What do these companies have to do with dog food?
    Mars Incorporated = PEDIGREEĀ®, and ROYAL CANINĀ®. Mars Petcare is also home to the brands NUTROĀ®, GREENIESĀ®, SHEBAĀ®, CESARĀ®, IAMSĀ® AND EUKANUBAĀ®. Mars Petcare is the world’s biggest veterinary health group with hospitals such as BANFIELDĀ®, BLUE PEARLĀ®, PET PARTNERSĀ®, and VCAĀ® – making Mars the largest veterinary operation in the North America. (They need sick dogs to survive)

    Hills Pet Nutrition – Science Diet, Prescription Diet, Ideal Balance, Healthy Advantage

    Morris Animal Foundation – supported by The American College of Veterinary Internal Medicine (ACVIM), PetCo and Blue Buffalo Foundation.

    American Kennel Club Canine Health Foundation – in partnership with Eukanuba, a grain based dog food owned by Mars Corporation

    Bayer Corporation- owns Monsanto the largest GMO seed supplier in the world. Forty percent of the world’s genetically modified (GM) crops are grown in the U.S., where Monsanto controls 80 percent of the GM corn market, and 93 percent of the GM soy market and is heavily invested in grains. Responsible for all the major companies that sell farmers the stuff they need to grow crops: seeds, pesticides, and fertilizers. Also makers of flea & tick chemicals known to have life threatening side effects.

    Here’s the complete list of doners to UCDavis Vet Med

    https://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/giving/recognition-and-resources/honor-roll

    Here is the link to the report funded by some the above donors: http://vetnutrition.tufts.edu/2018/06/a-broken-heart-risk-of-heart-disease-in-boutique-or-grain-free-diets-and-exotic-ingredients/.

    Taurine Plain Talk.

    Scientific research shows lack of taurine can cause DCM in some dogs.
    No, grain free diets are not the cause.
    Lack of Taurine is the cause.
    Taurine comes from muscle meat protein… not grains.

    #124834
    Susan
    Participant

    Hi Jennifer,

    great what you’re doing….has she been wormed? If she’s coming thru rescue they may have wormed her already?? this would be the first thing I’d be doing, make sure you give all wormer with her Dinner (a meal), Dinner is best time to give tablet then she goes to sleep..
    puppies should be wormed at 2, 4, 6, 8 and 12 weeks of age, and then every 4months for life with an all-wormer” or you can have poo tested for worms by vet…

    I would avoid these new flea/tick chews – “Nexgard & Bravecto” as they are Neurotoxins, attack the fleas nervous systems also causing side effects to the poor dog.
    Do your research first…especially if she is malnourished..

    Frontline Plus Spot On & Frontline Spray is the only flea/tick product that only penetrates the first 2 layers of the dogs skin & doesnt go into their blood, so less side effect for the dog…

    I’d say her mum was also very malnourished, she’ll be right you’ve adopted her at a good age & the rescue people know the age of these rescue dogs that’s their job..
    if rescue has said she’s 4months old, then she is 4months old..
    I rescued a 18mth old Boxer she was a skeleton, it took a while for her to gain some weight, we had to feed 3-4 smaller meals a day, she had NO health problems except arthritis when she was older…

    Look for a large breed puppy formula, then after she is fully grown start rotating her foods so she isnt eating the same brand of dry food…
    start feeding raw meaty bones as a treat…

    also make sure you start puppy classes & socialize her
    The first 2 years are very important for socializing a puppy..
    I’d join a GSP f/b group….

    #124568
    Deb M
    Member

    The company that tests and the Clean Label Project rated Ol’ Roy Dog Food as 5 stars. If that does not give one pause at the legitimacy of the lawsuit, I do not innerstand why.

    My dog, a 6 yr. old Pomeranian, gets Orijen on the side of her home-cooked wet food, along with excellent vitamin, mineral and other supplements. The only issues she has is when our chickens get fleas and her reaction if we do not get the chickens sprayed down with neem and their yard dusted with D.E. in time. She is very allergic to the flea bites (who isn’t?) and she gets bacterial infections.

    ALL of our food is contaminated. All of it, even organic gmo-free, which is all I use in our house. We also use filtered and distilled water. Do people realize what is in their tap water may where the contamination may be coming from and what is making our pets and ourselves sick?

    We do the best we can for ourselves and our pets. It is all we can do. Make your decisions based on all the data you can and go from there. Remember to check out those accusing others of nefarious deeds to see if they are chronic “suers”, too. That is how some places make their money.

    #124323
    Patricia A
    Participant

    Anon you wrote exactly what I wanted to finish writing but didn’t have the energy from stupid change of weather migraine. I believe acid reflux can be diagnosed by an endoscope. But without knowing if that is truly the cause, meds that suppress acid TOTALLY can do a lot more harm then good. I wish she opened the youtube link I sent. MANY people posted with exactly the same symptoms that her POM suffers from.
    Someone wrote that when they stopped Frontline the symptoms stopped. Vet said flea and tick meds can sometimes cause seizures in dogs which present with this type of behavior. Another wrote found info. on the internet about “reverse sneezing and tracheal collapse”. The dog in this video appears to have reverse sneezing that is not serious, but a tracheal collapse is, and symptoms mirror those of the reverse sneezing.

    #124302
    Susan
    Participant

    Hi El M,
    I’m sorry this is happening to your poor dog.. after contacting vet on Monday make sure you also contact the flea company to complain they will pay vet bills if its related to their flea product & contact FDA too complain, here’s the link https://www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/SafetyHealth/ReportaProblem/ucm1824

    Go on facebook “Dr John Robb – Protect the Pets” page
    https://www.facebook.com/DRRobbPTP/
    send him a msg ASAP, see what he says to do? also post a post on his page, asking what can you do??

    I do NOT know WHY some vets do 2-4 procedures all at once, give worming tablets, vaccinations, flea/tick meds, injections?? especially when the dog is a senior the vet doesnt know if the dog has any under lying health problems??..
    I’ve talked too 2 people at the dog park, who have lost their dogs after being vaccinated then given a steriod injection for itchy skin & then given Bravecto chew…
    I’d say it was the Bravecto that killed them…
    Im always warning people to 1/2 the flea chew & give with food/breakfast meal, then if dog seems OK thru the day then give the other 1/2 chew or 1/2 the Comfortis tablet given with a meal breakfast then dinner..

    In rescue these poor stressed out rescue cats & dogs are desexed, vaccinated, wormed & flea all at once, these vets know what can happen & know some dogs react….

    Only do 1 thing at 1 time, then wait 2 weeks then do the next thing…
    I hope its all OK..

    #124291
    El M
    Member

    Omg try his Friday I got Bella her shots and the oral flea treatment she became very lethargic and she’s acting like she can’t walk and there’s no beds in my small town open until Monday and I’m just praying that nothing happens to her because she’s a guard dog that protects me I’m so terribly upset over this I did this to my own dog

    #123265
    Susan
    Participant

    Hi Atlas,
    Sorry another long post I keep thinking of stuff to write lol,
    It’s good you have FINALLY found a dry food that’s working for your Lab, the Natural Balance Potato & Duck formula is low fiber 3%max & the N/B fish formula is 5%max fiber, both formula’s have “NO peas” & both formula’s have “NO probiotics”, both have VERY Limited Ingredients, just 1 single meat protein & potatoes or sweet potatoes as the carb…
    Make sure you look for LID, fiber under 5% & it has to have Potatoes or sweet potatoes, not too many ingredients..

    Go onto the Natural Balance LID site & look at the Duck formula & Fish formula ingredients that your dog does well on, then try & find a cheaper food with similar ingredients, write down the foods you have tried & he did sloppy poos & obsessively licking his butt, rubbing bum on ground & licking bum can also be from food sensitivities, my boy does it when he’s sensitive to an ingredient in a dry grain kibble…

    If you want to give your dog probiotics, your better off buying a probiotic powder or Kefir, add 10-15ml water to the probiotic powder in a small bowl swirl & mix probiotic powder then let your dog drink it as a treat, best to give probiotic inbetween meals on an empty stomach when stomach acids are low not with food, the probiotic works better, give same time every day..

    Did you ever try
    ā€œ4Healthā€Sensitive stomach” formula, sold Tractor Supply, it is Potato & Egg, No Peas, the fiber is low 3%max & has similar ingredients to the Natural Balance Potato & Duck & the Sweet potato & fish formula’s, if its cheaper maybe you can add with the N/B formula to make the N/B kibble last longer.. also adding fresh ingredients, left overs after you have cooked, feed some to dog & dont add 1 cup of kibble, feed 1/2 cooked food say Potato & a meat & 1/2 his N/B kibble he does well on..
    https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/4health-special-care-sensitive-stomach-formula-for-adult-dogs-25-lb-bag?cm_vc=-10011

    I feed “Wellness Core” Large Breed, its Chicken, Turkey, Potato & Peas I buy when on special or has 25% off the online pet food shops always send out emails with 25%-30% off.
    I have just finished feeding “Nutra Gold” Turkey & Sweet Potato formula & it had Garbanzo beans, Patch normally farts when he eats Garbanzo beans but not with this Nutra Gold grain free formula, Patches poos were smaller & firmer then when he eats the Wellness Core formula & the Nutra Gold is cheaper then the Wellness Core. Here’s teh Whitefish & Sweet Potato formula, I’d give it a go just buy a small bag.
    https://nutragold.com/products/dogs/whitefish-sweet-potato/

    Also about the Bravecto chews, can you sell them singley to someone who uses Bravecto, I’d ring the the place your bought the Bravecto chews from or ring/email Bravecto company & I’d say my dog became very unwell & vomited bits of teh chew back up after he ate the Bravecto chew & you “do not” want to use the rest of the 5 x Bravecto chews again as you’re very worried your dog will become unwell again & die & you just bought a 6 pack & have only used 1 chew & I just want a refund….
    also thru the Winter months do not give any Bravecto chews, I remember reading 1 dog that became very ill having seizure had his blood tested 9 months later he still had the Bravecto nerve drug in his system, so if you can not get a refund then just give 1 x Bravecto chew in Spring before the flea season starts & that 1 Bravecto chew should last thru Spring/Summer/Autumn months, Bravecto might give you a refund they’d get alot of complaints..
    Do you live in a high flea/tick area? I do not use any toxins on Patch he reacts to everything….

    #123021
    devin s
    Member

    I get flea meds for my beagle from here:
    http://www.cheappetcare.com/product/frontline-plus-for-medium-dogs-23-44-lbs-blue-3-months/
    really cheap. I only use Frontline Plus, and only during flea season as the vet recommended its safer than Bravecto. This shampoo also helps : http://www.cheappetcare.com/product/malaseb-shampoo-for-dogs-250-ml/

    #122824
    Alicia L
    Member

    I’m going to try FleaMeds.us website… I had ordered nitenpyram on eBay last year but couldn’t find cheap sources when I checked there last week… so I dug out the bottles that were shipped to me and that’s the website printed on their label.

    I’m going to order:
    10 capsules of nitenpyram for dogs (25-125 lb)
    50 capsules of nitenpyram for my cats (2-25 lb)
    6 capsules of lufenuron for dogs (45-90 lb)
    24 capsules of lufenuron for my cats (2-10 lb)

    All for $41.18… free shipping.

    #122556
    Susan
    Participant

    Hi Kristin,
    Rowans video made me cry, it was so sad, I’ve posted the video on my f/b page warning my friends do not use ANY flea chews, it’s Spring in Australia at the moment, all I keep seeing on TV are Bavecto & Nexgard ads, I just seen a popular Australian vet advertise Nexgard Spectra chews…It’s awful..

    Did you try & sue Nexgard, did Nexgard pay any vet bills, how did Nexgard react….
    You keep posting Rowans story, show people your video, we get so busy & look for quick & easy fixes, so giving your dog a treat chew that kills fleas seems so harmless, we have just gotten Bavecto chews for cats in Australia šŸ™

    #122448
    Susan
    Participant

    Hi Anthony,

    Gee I hope & pray she is OK but cause these flea chews/tablets stay in the body for 1-9 months it’s just a waiting game, my Staffy has IBD & my vet said NO to all the oral flea/tick chews tablets, she said the only flea/tick product that doesn’t go into the dogs system blood stomach & only penitrates 2 layers of their skin is “Frontline Plus” Spot On & the Frontline Spray, she said, only use Frontline “IF YOU HAVE TOO” Fleas dont seem to bother my dog or I just dont have any fleas?? vacuum daily that gets ride of fleas in house…Look up “Natural ways to get rid of fleas” I live Australia & most of all our dog foods have Garlic in them…

    Don’t give her anymore oral flea/tick meds, they’re poison, your putting poison into your dogs system to kill fleas & ticks…Very Toxic..

    Make sure your mum report the to FDA here’ link..Maybe when they see enough deaths & sickness these flea chews will get pull off shelves or formula changed….
    https://www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/SafetyHealth/ReportaProblem/ucm182403.htm

    Here’s a facebook page called “Does Bravecto Kill Dogs” https://www.facebook.com/groups/411371212394679/
    You’ll get some support & read what other people are doing for their poor sick dogs……

    #122447
    Anthony P
    Member

    my mom had givin our 6 year old pit bull nexgaurd, an oral flea medication. a day or two later i was taking her to the vet for a rash that we were taking care of. in the car on the way there she was sitting in the front seat of my car but she was falling over. she was very unstable. then as we sat in the lobby of the vet i had flagged the lady at the desk to look at my dog. her back legs were giving out. she was tottally unstable. like her equilibrium was off. as soon as we told the vet what we had givin her…(nexgaurd) her eyes lit up in a bad way. then to find out from nexgaurd themselves, there medication has been causing seizures

    anonymous
    Member

    “The consequence of not administering flea and tick preventative is substantial. The frequency of flea and tick spread disease is far greater and more impactful than the rarely reported side effects. Killing ticks through preventatives also prevents human family members from tick-borne illnesses such as lyme and anaplasmosis.”

    (above is part of a recent memo recieved from a veterinary clinic)

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