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I would call or email the company and ask if there is a storage temp for the product. If not, why not?!?! As for food, try Tractor Supply 4health canned. I use the canned chicken from time to time(not the chunk style, the pate) and have no complaints. Its cheap-like 99 cents for a can and rates fairly well.

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I have dealt with pancreatitis dogs for over 20 yrs. I have yet to have a dog get better quick enough that bloods are normal if tested within a day or two of flareup. In other words false negs happen at the very onset of a flareup, not at the middle..as well, each flareup they have is more severe and longer in duration if not caught and treated.. Its not a disease in my experience that self heals.

If pancreatitis foods need to be low fat to get it under control.. Allergies affecting skin will not kill him but pancreatitis could so I would treat that first and worry about the allergies second. In other words don’t feed a high fat food just because its hypoallergenic.

Ibd can also cause the symptoms you are seeing. If it were my dog and my vet threw out those two options I would request treatment with metronidazole and cerenia-this controls the vomiting and diarrhea and is frequently used in both diseases. I would feed a bland diet for a week and then slowly introduce a lower fat food.

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Lol. I have been there with a thin dog that just doesn’t gain. I would try Victor Ultra Pro or Abady granular. The Abady is almost 800 cals per cup. Its granulated and looks like dirt, lol, but it works wonders for weight gain. You can get a small box and just add a bit to each meal. Please note that both these foods are higher fat, so if your dog is fat sensitive, use caution. We have used them many times over the past year and have yet to have a rescue fail to gain with them.

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Hi Harper’s mom..if he were mine I would change the food. Its not agreeing with him for what ever reason.

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So let me get this right-

Your multiple dogs live outdoors and were getting thin. This was from back during the artic style cold weather we were having. You start Dyne to try to get them to gain weight. In tne meantime your dogs that are skinny are eating wood (pica)..you fail to take them to the vet for treatment/diagnosis. Dogs die. Tell me again how this is Dyne’s fault?

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Congrats! Its always so exciting to add a new family member.

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How sad. What did the vet say or what did the necropsy show? How much of the stuff did you use?

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If you have access to Milbemax you aren’t in the US
I would have no problem using it. Its the main compnent of the now discontinnued Interceptor.

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The only time I have seen stool affected is with coccidian and giardia. Most of the rescues that come in that have had worms have had fine stool, but I would guess that depends on the dog. If you are giving any heartworm preventatives, you are deworming monthly. For most dogs, that should be sufficient, imo.

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Fecal floats are never 100 percent as they are looking for eggs.and they may not be present at that time.

I have fecals done sporadically depending when a dog is at the vets. I deworm all the dogs here once a yr with droncit and then one cycle of strongid. But we have a lot of strange dogs coming and going frim the property so its more just in case. Btw…the heartworm preventatives deworm monthly when given.

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Check out ebay. I saw a bunch of grinders including the 22-new- but we didn’t have the time to wait for the auctions to end. The current bids were rather low.

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Blue Buffalo? Last thing I heard was Simmons for canned and CJ Foods for the dry, but I think they may have more than one for the dry products.

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1200?!?!? OUCH!!! and double Ouch! I just could not justify that, but its nice to think about! I suggested the 22 that you have Sandy as I think its awesome but not something I was willing to commit to for the $$, in the beginning. I would have felt obligated to grind, lol. The Wesson 32 was hubby’s idea-he figured for the extra $150, it has the extra 1/2 horse power for the amount of grinding we will do.

The Tassan worked great, but it felt like we were spending hours upon hours not only grinding, but prepping it. You really had to cut the pieces small to fit them in, and feed it slowly. It got the job done, but it took time. The Tassan is getting fixed( I have to ship it back mon) and I will keep it as a back up machine “just in case”.

Patty-do you grind that much with just the three dogs?

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It depends where you live. In Ny I was told it is the south carolina diamond plant. You need to call Canidae and ask bad err d on your location.

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Just wanted to update this. Have been grinding raw components since Oct and MOSt do well with it. However, I do have two 14 yr olds and a 16 yr old who do NOT do well with raw-They lost a bunch of weight which was quickly regained once they went back on dry. No way would they eat the volume in raw to keep weight on. Lesson confirmed-raw does NOT work for all dogs.

Secondly, Hubby helped me grind my chicken pieces the other night-it will be at least a week for it to be shipped to the company, have gears replaced and get it back. Thankfully its under warranty and the company I bought the Tassan from does not void the warranty for grinding chicken bones in the Tassan.

On the bright side, Hubby thought the food making was taking way too much time away from other things we need to do, so he just ordered a new one. After watching some videos of the Wesson’s grinding, he ordered the Wesson 32 since it said it was good for large volumes. His thought is we can process en masse once a month or every other and save a bunch of time!

I still recc the Tassan for those grinding a small amount, or those looking to try a grinder out before committing to an expensive purchase. I figure with this one I can grind whole turkeys without worrying about damage.

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Just searched around and I see no reason to not feed it. I think I will grind it whole guts heads etc and then freeze for at least a week until I use it. I found a great restraurant supply place and the fish guy told me they mark down all fish every 3 days as they only keep it for 4 days. So its all fresh human grade. I bought the porgy for $1.10 a lb and just got 40lbs.

I felt like a kid in a candy store. I also picked up chicken leg quarters for 42 cents a lb,, backs for 26 cents a lb, and eggs at $1.55 a dozen. Now the downside is I have to buy in 40lb cases and the eggs by the 15 dozen. I will be grinding all day lol, and then I can work on the crates of veggies.

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Salmonoids carry a parasite that cause salmon poisoning..tnis includes trout. Porgy is sold by Pawfectly raw for dogs. I just don’t know if its edible for dogs guts and all. Its an atlantic oceean fish I believe.

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We have had a few dogs in rescue with it. It will cause wye ulcers if left untreated. In some dogs thwy can pluck the offending lashes out while awake but that depends on the dog. It has been 15yrs since we dealt with it, so perhaps there is a new form of treatment

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I recently looked at a price list from a dealer of it and it seems dirt cheap even for proteins such as rab and duck. I read its denatured meat using charcoal. Is that accurate? And lastly have you tried the product and does the meat appear pink and fresh or old and gray?

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Hi sue.. please look up blue ridge beef here on this forum in the search engine. Can you please tell me why you trust that food? I am just not comfortable with the Info presented

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Its really just easief to hook up with a restraurant supply company and make your own. There are very fee of the ones that sefvice most co ops that I would use. Human quality in bulk is imo the best option.

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Crud.. I pulled three ticks off of ME this past summer and two off of dogs in the fall. One dog then tested anioplasmosis positive…and the other anio neg but weak lyme positive. My part of NY is crawling with them Certain times of year the damn things will fall on you out of trees .This spring we are going to treat for them as its getting out of control for the humans.

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And ps.. its the higher concentration levels and longer time in the body that concern me. If the dog had a reaction it does not clear the body rapidly like Ivermectin does. That’s one of the reasons I would not use the injection. If I recall, the dogs that were dying from it were doing so after the second injection. This in my mind and opinion means it was not exiting the body quickly enough and building up in the system.

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It has a much lower safety margin than other wormers I can use even for the horses. It just not a product I am willing to risk. IF its only absorbed into the fat layer than how is it supposed to kill the microfilaria that are circulating in the boodstream….food for thought..

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I just wanted to comment on Avantage. I have never used the muti nor would I due to the moxidectin. For me after the proheart issue its a drug I won’t consider. Even without the moxi, i will not use spot on flea and heartworm in one products. My concern here is how can I be sure the vector used to cause the heartworm preventative to be absorbed into the blood stream is not also carrying in the flea meds? I don’t want anything extra in the bloodstream.

I never used Advantage or any other products containg imiclopramide (spelling) either until last year when some of those products were given to me. I figured what the heck and gave them a try for one month. One week aftef using my doxie got spayed and it was the only time I feared losing a dog from the anesthesia. This dog had clear bloodwork prior to and ivs during as a “just in case”…it took her 3 days to eat/drink afterward (and a visit back to the vet in the meantime for more fluids etc) it was tbe longest spay recovery I have ever experienced. Perhaps it was coincidence but it was enough for me to toss it out. It ws d the one that did fleas and ticks only.

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I have a dobie with a very sensitive stomach, and it came to a point of thinking grain free would never work for her. I finally found Victor grain free ultra pro. For her, LESS fiber was the solution. So, if you try a food with more fiber and it doesn’t work, think about going lower. Every dog is different. Boxers are notorious for allergies and stomach issues, so perhaps a boxer forum can help.

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Hi losul-

So sorry to hear that you and Turbo are going through this-Take two deep breaths and breathe…While you want to make a decision sooner than later, nothing is going to change in the next few days, so consider all your options : )

Its been years since we have had to treat a heartworm positive dog in our rescue, but we have used the Immitricide protocol since it was first released as an option. For us, we have never had any type of reactions or losses.

I prefer the Immitricide as while it has its risks, I want those suckers gone before they can continue to burrow and cause more damage. The only time I would consider slow kill(for me) is if the dog was old, compromised or otherwise ill-and then I would consider it.

Whatever you decide, be certain and take some time to think it through so that you are comfortable and not second guessing yourself.

We are all here for you and will keep both of you in our thoughts and prayers .

Melissa

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I feed a lot of grain free foods toy crew (99 percent of the time) as well as raw etc. The average protein content of the dry I feed is around 31 to 33 percent. While I have a huge fenced yard there are no winter track stars here either, lol. I just cut back on amounts if someone is looking hefty.

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Hi Chuckles-

I have 15 dogs from 6lbs to 85lbs, and everything in between, lol. I have two cockers-one around 18.6lbs and the other a touch smaller, Both are perfect weight for their sizes according to myvet. With that said, they all pretty much eat the same thing-

Cockers are prone to gluttony and weight gain : ) Just cut back a bit if yours is gaining weight, My girls would eat all day long if I let them and would be 50# easily in no time.

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I am so sorry for your loss. Hugs to you and your family..

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What did your vet say?

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What part of the body is being ultrasounded?

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Sorry..just saw this. I bought it for two specifica lly. It worked for the younger w/out much stiffness but not for the old man…and neither has the longevity. I am sort of surprised as the horse products worked so well. He is very stiff in this cold weather right now and taking rx for it. I am not sure if I had increased it if perhaps that would have made a difference but the tabs gave him soft stool when doublef up. I am going to continue the longevity even if only as a green supplement.

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This is not a product I would use. To each their own.

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The powder only comes in 100grams as far as I know..at least that is th we smallest size I have found. Can you get any premade raw?

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My older rottie boy ate acana as well. We lost him to arthritis/dysplasia a few mths ago at the age of 15. He seemed to do really well on the grasslands.

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No. If worried buy a bag of natures variety chicken medallions and start there. Keep adding to each meal until you find the right number. Maya needed 2-3 per meal at first to control the issue. Now 2a day or a few oz homemade does the trick.

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Diamond extreme athlete is from the naturals line. Hi energy is bare bones bottom rung . If you can find it in your area and your dogs sre not fat sensitive abady granular is almost 800cals per cup. Diamond EA is as I said in the fat/protein content but much lower calorie. Years ago we used Diamond EA in the rescue program for thin dogs. It worked fine but abady is better.

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I don’t use Diamond products however at 32 percent protein
and 25 percent fat extreme athlete is better suited for their needs.

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My vet rxd it for my 40 pound ish dog as 1/8teaspoon every 12 hours. A fecal flotation is a test to find the eggs in the stool. Not always 100 percent accurate. I just recently did every one with panacur and she did a not get a bit of an issue from it. Interceptor never bothered her but the ivermectin based heartworm preventatives do. We would deal with it for the day. I did find that it is not as much of an issue once the food issue was dealt with

Now we just mske sure to give her natures variety raw on the day of treatment and for the day following..no more major issues. When at her worst she would lose weight despite being fed high volumes of food which made it worse. Her weight now is petfect with out fluctuating.

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Follow your vets advice, but are you sure he said NOT to deworm her?? Hookworms are pretty nasty for any dog, let a lone a preg one.

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The “quick” tests are SNAP antigen tests and I have heard of false negatives with them. One case I know if the dog was negative at the emergency vet..next day full blown positive at the regular vet. So I hafve to wonder-false neg or are some dogs just not producing what is being looked for in the test at the beginning stages…

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Ps-And for the record, if you are thinking of hunting prairie dogs and pigeons for food, you would be better off feeding Diamond(Extreme athlete is higher protein/fat which cold dogs need) and cutting your Fromm food bill.

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Hi Jastech- If you are feeding 400 plus pounds of dog food per month as you have said previously, you have well over 20-25 dogs. Whether a breeder or not, its too damn cold out for dog to be outside. If a dog is eating, and still losing weight, then its up to the owner to find out why-and sorry, but playing or not, the weather is a contributing factor.

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I am not sure what you have access to in Australia, but yes, Tylan-tylosin tartrate used for farm animals. My vet first prescribed it for the dogs and then I just ordered a larger size bottle from a supply company. In farm animals, its OTC. I use the powder.

We did the metronidazole route with our two dogs first, and it worked, but metron should not be a long term medication-Tylan powder CAN be used longer term. We used it with every meal for 30 days, then I weaned them off of it. It worked liked a charm, but did take a lot of trial and error in getting the correct diets. First, I can tell you that YES YES YES YES to the lower fiber.

Secondly, they do NOT do well with diet changes. We feed the two with issues Victor Ultra pro, Abady granular, and raw. While we on occasion have a flare up, its been quite a while for any major issues. When one does flare up, its typically because they got something they should not have-either bunny poo or a treat, or kibble that the others eat. When this happens, we will use the tylan for a 3-4 day period and then all is well. For the record, one has not needed Tylan in several years, and the other(Maya) has a flare up perhaps two-three times a year now versus every few months.

I also found that white rice(as in doing aa boiled rice/chicken diet) to stop the runs is a big NO NO.

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Best thing I have found is Tylan powder. Ask your vet for two weeks worth and try it
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Scruffy-

I would never feed my dogs tobacco for any reason. With that said, I can not see how your homecooked”recipe” is anywhere near balanced. The chicken backs, liver and veggies as a meal,day in and day out, will ultimately cause nutritional issues. As well., I also do not how that could provide enough kcals for one mid size dog for day, let alone a “kennel of 30”. If you were feeding it as a “topper” I could see where it would be “ok” but you are advocating feeding it as a primary base of the meal.

I think home cooked foods are great, as long as the person attempting it has researched and consulted on what a proper ‘meal plan” is

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I too disagree with Roger. My crew eats all life stage and they range in age from 1 yr to 15 plus years.

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Have you brucellosis tested recently? Could be something nutritionally, but I always double check on health issues first just in case.

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Thanks! I started them yesterday and will report how they seem to be doing.

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