Suggested Weight Loss Dog Foods

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In her new article, How to Help Your Overweight Dog Lose Weight, Dr. Donna Spector, a well-known veterinary specialist, shares the secret to predictable weight loss…
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Dogs that consume fewer calories than they burn… lose weight

Dr. Spector suggests feeding your pet a dog food containing…

  • Above-average protein1
  • Below-average fat2
  • Below-average calories3

How We Selected Our Recommended
Weight Loss Dog Foods

If you believe your pet is overweight, here are a few weight loss dog foods for you to consider.

To be included on our list…

Suggested products must meet all three conditions mentioned above. They must contain above-average protein, below-average fat and 250 to 350 calories per cup of kibble… or per 13-ounce can.

Of course, this list should not be considered a complete catalog of all the weight loss dog foods on the market.

For there are others. Many others. We provide this small group only as a starting point.

As a matter of fact, if you know of a specific dog food you believe we should have included on this list, please feel free to share your suggestions in the Comments section below.

Or if you’re looking for some suggestions yourself, be sure to look through our readers’ Comments to find more good ideas.

Suggested Weight Loss Dog Foods

The following suggested weight loss dog foods contain links to the reviews they can be found in. The article itself may or may not be associated with the actual products listed here.

A Final Word

This article is designed to help you make a more informed decision when choosing dog food. However, it is certainly not our intention to suggest feeding a particular product will result in a specific health benefit for your pet.

Remember, no dog food can possibly be appropriate for every life stage, lifestyle or health condition. So, choose wisely. And when in doubt consult a veterinarian for help.

Footnotes

  1. Average protein: 29% (dry) and 40% (canned)
  2. Average fat: 16% (kibble) and 23% (canned)
  3. 250-350 calories per 8-ounce cup kibble or per 13-ounce can
  • Hound Dog Mom

    This isn’t true, Walmart is actually carrying a few decent brands of dog food now. ‘Ol Roy has a new line of food called Pure Balance – there is a dry and wet line and both are free of by-products, corn, wheat, soy and colorings. The dry is rated 3.5 stars, the wet hasn’t been rated yet but I’m guessing it will be 4 stars. ‘Ol Roy Healthy Mix tubbed food is rated 3.5 stars and free of corn, wheat, soy and by-products. Rachel Ray has a new grain-free food that is rated 4 stars and sold at Walmart. My Walmart also carries Freshpet refrigerated foods (5 stars), Variety canned dog food (4 stars), Natural Life canned dog food (4 stars) and Newman’s Organics canned dog food (4 stars).

  • Ryder Dog

    Ol Roy?! Try Kirkland brand at Costco 40 pounds for $30 and healthy at least. There are no good dog foods at walmart.

  • LabsRawesome

    Hey Lisa, Walmart carries the new Rachael Ray Zero grain kibble. Getting him off grains could certainly help with weight loss. It’s around $20 for a 14lb bag. http://nutrish.rachaelray.com/products/nutrish-zero-grain-dog-food Tractor Supply has 4health grain free as well. I believe it is like $22 for an 18lb bag.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Afterthought – a high quality fish oil may provide some benefit as well. The omega 3′s in the fish oil are good for the skin and coat and act as a natural anti-inflammatory.

    Good luck!

  • Lisa

    I am online searching for all your recommendations. Thank you so much!

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Losing weight will help his arthritis. Is he on any joint supplements? If not I’d recommend adding a glucosmine/chondroitin supplement to help rebuild cartilage and a natural anti-inflammatory such as turmeric, boswellia or tart cherry. This may help get him moving. Like I said – start slow, don’t overwork him. Short 5 – 10 minute walks two or three times a day would be fine to start off. Once arthritic dogs get moving their joints actually loosen up and feel better.

    Just getting him off foods with corn, wheat, soy and colorings (like ‘Ol Roy) will probably help his skin. The ‘Ol Roy Pure Balance doesn’t contain any of these ingredients and is available right at Walmart. This food or any other 4 or 5 star foods free of corn, wheat, soy and colorings would be a good starting point. If the issues don’t clear up (keep in mind the improvement won’t be instantaneous, it could take several weeks on a higher quality food) you could start looking into other options such as novel protein-based foods and grain-free foods.

  • Lisa

    Hound Dog Mom,

    I don’t necessarily need him on to be on Ol’Roy but I’m not sure what to put him on with his skin allergy and being overweight. I feed him a cup and a half morning and night. He doesn’t get treats because he is overweight and he clearly doesn’t need them. I try walking him but he has arthritis and he can only go a few feet and he has stop. I definitely don’t want to over work him, but at the same time I know he needs it.
    I have read on some of the 4-5 star foods, but some of the comments on them from other people have me torn.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Hi Lisa –

    I hope you mean 90 – 100 lbs. and not 190!

    Regardless, I’d urge you to get him off ‘Ol Roy Healthy Mix weight management immediately – it’s one of the unhealthiest foods on the market. ‘Ol Roy does make a dry food called “Pure Balance” that’s reasonably priced and much higher quality and they have a wet food that comes in tubs called ‘Ol Roy Healthy Mix. If you want to move away from ‘Ol Roy check out the 4 and 5 star foods on this site – there are many that are fairly reasonably priced.

    There’s no reason to feed a weight management food – you just need to control portion sizes and increase his activity level. Start out by feeding him the serving size recommended on the bag for the weight he should be – if he’s still not losing continue to reduce portions in 1/4 C. increments until he starts losing. Make sure he’s not eating the other dogs’ food and monitor any treats and leftovers he gets. Make sure everyone in the house is on board for the diet – you can’t have someone slipping him treats behind your back. The whole process will go much quicker if you get him moving too – start small, short frequent walks and as he gets more in shape increase the distance and intensity. If he’s not losing you’re feeding him too much/not exercising him enough – there’s no easy way to do this, he must be burning more calories than he’s eating.

  • Lisa

    In need of suggestions on dog food. My 3 year old Doberman/golden retriever is currently at 190lbs. He starting eating the other dogs food when she got sick and I didn’t notice until he obviously increasingly became overweight. We visited the vet a few months back and he has a skin allergy along with being obese. I am in desperate need to get weight off him. I have tried many brands.He is currently on Ol’ Roy Healthy Mix weight management, nothing seems to be working.

  • Pugsonraw

    Sandy, I think I saw a picture of your freezer on another thread. I was speechless! It reminded me of the freezers at the pet store I shop at. They must have about 7 of them, the size of yours for their overflow. I like to look them when I bored with what they have in the display cases. Take a picture and post for us…….

  • sandy

    I just need to remember to take a picture of everything when my shipment comes in this week!

  • beaglemom

    haha… I just ordered some Darwin’s to add to the raw already in there so I think my freezer might soon run out of room for people food as well. We’ll see if the husband notices :P

  • Pugsonraw

    OMG…I can relate to the Hoarders concept. I have frozen raw taking up so much freezer space that there is no room for people food! Then there are kibble bags, dehydrated raw and canned around the house. I think the Hoarder pet food thread would be hysterical….I second this Sandy.

    I know I would be stockpiled if a natural disaster happened! God forbid….

    Dawn

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Thanks Melissa. :)

    Not quite so cute in little anymore – now she’s just a big 75 lb. drooling machine.

  • Melissaandcrew

    Mabel is adorable!

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Here’s my stash. Mabel figured out at a very young age where the goodies are.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Wow Betsy – looks like a pet food store. :)

    I have a similar stash going, but in miniature (I’m a sample hoarder).

  • beaglemom

    How can you pass up a great sale?!? :) Aww I wish I had 15… well, maybe if I had a few acres of land for them all to run around! And a bigger bedroom — my 2 like to sleep in the same room with us so squeezing 13 more beds in might be a ‘slight’ issue!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    Oops, shoulda ordered a pizza.

  • Melissaandcrew

    Lol. Hubby asked what was for dinner…I told him I did not care, take something out of the freezer…I heard a bunch of cursing and noise and it dawned on me. Local petstore had a great sale on the 7lb NV bites yesterday and I bought 6 bags shoving them in an already full freezer. Oops…

  • Melissaandcrew

    Someone who wanted to see a stash of old roy?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    Some of my favorite things to do with some of my “surplus” are to donate it to the no-kill shelter and our local kibble kitchen for pets in need and to share with friends at work that I’m trying to convert. My co-workers are more willing to try something different if they don’t have to go to the store, pick it out and pay for it.

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    It will be eaten so it doesn’t really matter!! I’ve got 11 pugs right now! 2 of them are too skinny so they’re eating double. My foster friend also comes and gets food from my house! But I do like ordering from someplace that I get a discount which Petflow is not one of those places.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    Wow… who’s the hater?

  • Melissaandcrew

    Does the “I forgot to move the date excuse” still work in your house? Lol.

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    Funny! Maybe a thread needs to be started in the Forum titled Hoarders Picture Thread! I’ve got a shipment coming from Petflow which I forgot to move the date back so I will have a dozen bags of kibble plus my shelf of canned and freeze dried, and the freezer!

  • Melissaandcrew

    You gals are cracking me up! Now imagine having a “need” or desire to stash dog food and having 15 dogs…lol. I stack it in different spots so hopefully hubby doesn’t realize how much we spend (I think he just ignores it) . I have 6 bags of the new 6 fish and one Regional. Red coming tommorrow and not sure where I am going to stash it.

  • beaglemom

    LOL Betsy, I’m glad I’m not the only one with a stash of this size! There’s just so many fun kinds to try! :) I think you may have me slightly beat on dry food but add in ~7 cases of canned plus a cabinet full of treats and the raw in the freezer and it could be close, haha. Thanks for posting that. Ps- I only have 2 as well!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    Ah ha! That explains a lot! Very interesting. Thanks much, Melissa.

  • Pattyvaughn

    If I stacked the 75 lbs of food I just received with all the cat food for four cats that eat different things, then I might be able to rival your stash. However, if you count horse and chicken food, I have you beat about ten time over.

  • Melissaandcrew

    The Acana products that still contain milk thistle can not be exported/imported into the US. The ladt time I checked Champion ws s not looking to change them but its been a bit since I asked

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    Here… some got chopped off, but you get the general idea. ; )

    Keep in mind, I only have two dogs.

  • Pattyvaughn

    Only one?!? Are you quite sure your feeling OK?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    I was thinking about doing just that, Patty. Thanks!

    Bella had her check up today and she needs to lose a few pounds. Ever since we got Sam, Bella’s diet and “lifestyle” have had to change a bit since we have to keep them separated so often.

    I plan to step up the Darwin’s a bit and already have on hand Wellness Core Reduced Fat and Castor & Pollux Natural Ultramix weight management formula so those will probably work well, but I felt “compelled” to add one more type of food to my “collection.”

  • Pattyvaughn

    My only suggestion is to talk to the store owner near you that carries Champion products and ask if they can order it for you. Good luck.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    Has anyone seen Acana Light & Fit online? I’m not finding it in the stores near me and can’t seem to find it available online in the US anywhere. Suggestions? Thanks!

  • Pattyvaughn

    Just 2 posts down from yours, Hound Dog Mom says
    .
    Your dog can lose weight, maintain weight or gain weight on any food – you just have to feed him an appropriately sized portion. If he’s gaining weight he’s obviously eating too much. Measure how much you’re feeding him each day and cut his food intake back about 20% of what you’re feeding him. Make sure to monitor his “extras” as well – treats, scraps, canned food toppers, etc. These “extras” can add up. There’s really no reason to go with a weight-loss specific food – in fact most low fat foods are lower in quality as well. The meat is just replaced with filler to lower the fat content and, consequently, the protein content is lowered as well. So as long as he’s on a good quality 4 or 5 star food I wouldn’t switch.
    .
    That’s really good information and advice. You should take it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/vbaker621 Vivian Maggard Baker

    Wow I actually came to this section of your site..for help with finding a weight loss dog food for my overweight Chihuahua..I have taken the time to read all the posts below and find them to be more of a battle site than helpful!..These conversations are way off topic for the normal consumer who needs your help. We are not all experts in dog food that is why we come to you..I would have hoped that a moderator would have gotten back on topic and more civil and helpful conversations. These posts were of no help to me whatsoever.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Hi Eli’s Mom –

    Your dog can lose weight, maintain weight or gain weight on any food – you just have to feed him an appropriately sized portion. If he’s gaining weight he’s obviously eating too much. Measure how much you’re feeding him each day and cut his food intake back about 20% of what you’re feeding him. Make sure to monitor his “extras” as well – treats, scraps, canned food toppers, etc. These “extras” can add up. There’s really no reason to go with a weight-loss specific food – in fact most low fat foods are lower in quality as well. The meat is just replaced with filler to lower the fat content and, consequently, the protein content is lowered as well. So as long as he’s on a good quality 4 or 5 star food I wouldn’t switch.

  • Eli’sMom

    my dog likes the wet(dog or people) mix with his dry.but seems to be putting on weight, dont know what he’s been eating for 3 yrs.we adopted him 6mos ago.gets we walk him 2x a day.can you recommend what kind of food or how much he’s about 29lb male big bone cockapoo. thank you

  • Jtaylorj

    I forgot to mention she is a black lab/cattle dog mix… so she is stocky already by breed … I just want to be sure she is fit again :)

  • Jtaylorj

    Thank you for the response. I have increased her exercise – she is 11 years but still in very good health (besides being overweight!). She is on a vitamin supplement as well. I have not tried feeding her just the 1.5% without veggies… she is such a food monger, I was trying to keep her from being too hungry. I will give that a shot though. Thanks again!

  • Pattyvaughn

    2-3% is just a suggested starting point, not a nutritional minimum.  Make sure the vegetables you add are not starchy vegetables, carrots, peas, corn.  I wouldn’t want to go below 1%.  Have you tried 1.5% without adding the veg?  Have you increased her exercise?  If you decrease her food very much, you might want to find a whole food vitamin supplement to add.

  • Jtaylorj

    My Dog weighs 74lbs and needs to lose 10-12 lbs. I feed her  a raw diet (Bravo Balance). I have been feeing her 2% of her IDEAL body weight (62lbs) but she has had little to no weight loss. I just recently took her down to 1.5% and added some mildly cooked vegetables (as a soup with home made organic chicken broth).  If this doesn’t budge the weight, how low can I go with her food?

  • InkedMarie

    if it’s the reduced fat Wellness Core, it should help. Just feed her the amount of food for what she *should* weigh, and go from there

  • bonnie

    flint river lamb and rice 393 calories for 8oz comment please

  • sandy

    It’s been over a year since I’ve used BB, but for weight loss I used the Wilderness line. I was feeding it to some overweight senior pugs 8-10 years old.  Worked well.  Other foods I’ve used are Core Ocean, Core Reduced Fat (but the kibble was a bit large), and Great Life Grain Free and currently Brothers Complete. On these types of food I can feed less volume.  They always eat less than the recommended serving size.  My pugs only get 2/3 cup per day (not including meat treats).

  • Drobillard

    which Blue Buffalo are you using to get their weight down?  We are just on adult lamb and rice but would like to get them to lose few pounds. THanks.

  • Debbie Robillard

    We also have overweight sheltie we just adopted and have her on Blue Buffalo adult food 3/4 cup 2 times day with a few green beans mixed in. We were considering the Wellness Core is it helping her lose the weight? Thanks, drobillard@etec-sales.com

  • InkedMarie

    I still use marrow bones, so far so good. When they’re gone, I may look into beef ribs or something

  • Pattyvaughn

    My dogs have no problems with marrow bones.  They gnaw at the edges and scrape their teeth clean just fine.  My dog that I had to have put down last summer was a “whole nuther thing”.  He didn’t want to gnaw on the bone so much as eat chunks off of it.  And he could!!  I would never give him knuckle bones or marrow bones.  Just watch Sam and see if he is happy gnawing with the sides of his teeth versus trying to crunch big chunks off.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    I’m sure they’ll be fine. Not sure how heavy of chewers your guys are but it’s more of an issue for heavier chewers. Some dogs just lick out the marrow and teeth a little bit (which wouldn’t be an issue) – but my guys actually try to eat the bones. which could potentially cause problems.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    Dang it you guys. Why didn’t we have this conversation two days ago? My next Darwin’s order ships out Tuesday and it includes close to 20 pounds of marrow bones. : (

    I ‘spose, as with anything, I’ll just keep an eye on them with these bones and limit their chewing time and I’ll stick to raw chicken wings Nd legs in the future. I’m too late to change my order now.

  • Pattyvaughn

    Cooked chicken bones splinter, raw chicken bones are just fine.  Weight bearing bones in large animals are known for breaking teeth.  As with everything you give your dog, they should be monitored to make sure they chew appropriately and don’t try to swallow things whole.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Hi Lundays1 –

    Raw poultry bones are completely safe. Large beef bones and knuckle bones are actually dangerous for heavy chewers because they’re so dense the dog can break a tooth. Also, if fed often large beef bones will cause unnecessary wear and tear on the teeth. My dogs get raw poultry bones daily, they never get knuckle bones or marrow bones.

  • Lundays1

    Just a note about chicken bones. Thes are a big NO NO because they can splinter and have to be removed via surgery! Large beef bones like knuckle bones are the way to go.

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    I don’t feed kibble with rice in it although the dogs do get occasional rice if if a human is eating it and sharing it.  I don’t the amount in dog food is large enough but repeated consumption long term – who knows? I only occasionally eat rice as well.

    http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/red-flag-ingredients/arsenic-rice-dog-food/

  • Pattyvaughn

    Personally, I like the idea of rotation.  If I’m worried about any ingredient in a dog food, I make sure the next bag of dog food doesn’t have it also.  That way I know my dog is getting a break from it, instead of eating it day in and day out for years.

  • Fahill1

    Is anyone worried about feeding rice, in light of the Consumer Reports findings about arsenic?

  • Forsea

    Dr Donna
    I have a 5yr old Australian Shepherd at 61 lbs. Before I had him ‘fixed’ he was 55 lbs. He’s currently on California Natural grain free venison. So as not to upset his sensitive stomach can I stay in the same line or change him over to something else. He’s not a highly energized Aussie, more laid back. We have no fenced in back yard so the exercise is walking and treadmill. Ideas please!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    Here’s a great video and article for you to read about the 13 best types of pets foods: http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2010/07/21/13-pet-foods-ranked-from-great-to-disastrous.aspx; and another abut how to choose a good food for yur pet: http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2010/10/21/selecting-the-best-cat-pet-and-dog-pet-food.aspx. Both are from Dr. Karen Becker, someone whose opinion I have come to trust.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    Oh my gosh, Serena. That’s awful. You were right to have her on canned food from the start.

    What kibble are you using? It sounds like it might be high in carbs. I would say either adjust the amount you’re feeding or switch to something else. Feed the amount recommended for your Doug’s desired weight.

    Lots of us here would probably choose to use canned exclusively, but don’t because of the cost. It sounds as though you might have one dog that’s smaller, which certainly can make canned more doable.

    When I had just one small dog, I started using Darwin’s Natural Selections. She did fantastic on it, but when I added a second (and big) dog to my collection, I had to explore other options. I would check into Darwin’s if I were you. It’s complete and balanced raw. It’s super easy to use and you can also add raw, meaty bones to your orders – which is what your dog really needs for dental health. Gnawing and scraping teeth against bones is what keeps their teeth clean. You might try adding a raw chicken leg or wing in place of a meal a few times a week.

    There are folks here who know infinitely more about nutrition than your vet. We’ve all discussed how conversations about nutrition have gone with our vets and very few of us have stuck with their advice for very long.

    You were on the right track to start, hang in here, your pup will improve.

    Do you by chance have a dachshund?

  • InkedMarie

    I adopted a sheltie who needed to lose almost half of her weight. We used Wellness Core’s reduced fat, feeding her the amount of food for what she *should* weigh.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Serena-Morris/100001933001147 Serena Morris

    I started my dog on canned food when I first got her, but then the vet told me that canned food exclusively will lead to tooth decay and that dry food was better, so we made the slow transition to dry food. Since the dry food diet, I’ve noticed she’s put on the pounds, to the point where she’s thrown her back out. She’s done this once before too, and the vet told me once she hurt her back she was likely to do it again. It’s taking her longer this time to get over the back pain so I feel I can’t exercise her. However I have cut down to 3/4 a cup of dry food a day, her regular food. I feel so sorry for her because she’s in pain and now hungry all the time too. I just don’t know what to do to help her lose weight.

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    A lower carb dog food has always worked for weight loss on the dogs here (Blue Buffalo Wilderness, Core, Brothers).  My current obese foster has lost 5 lbs eating raw and canned foods only and they are low in carbs and he’s only been here 3 weeks.

  • InkedMarie

    That could be true…..I only know that the girl I adopted was obese….should have weighed about 24, 25 pounds but weighed 43.7.  She was a senior, had arthritis, hip dysplasia…it was recommended to me to feed her a quality grainfree food, one with good ingredients and one with lower fat. I don’t think that Blue that Susan (whom I responded to) talks about was even around at that time. I chose the Core reduced fat because I liked the ingredients. It worked is all I know. We did a gradual weight loss, it took about a year for her to lose 20lbs

  • Melissaandcrew

    Mike P-

    Very good point, and truthful. I have never had to use a weight loss food for weight loss in the dogs(I have used it to cut the overall fat content from time to time when I wanted to try a much higher fat food) Cutting back the calories consumed should result in weight loss. When it doesn’t, I always suggest a thyroid test for the dog.

  • Mike P

     Hi Marie,
    I was just thinking…Would not any food accomplish fixing weight issues by just feeding less?I started with 2 1/2 cups per day and always adjusted by dropping the amount by 1/2 cup no matter what kibble we used.I stopped using the scale because she was always between 68 and 70 lbs.Now I just go by her activity level and eye test.During her less active summer she got 1 1/2 now it’s cold and her activity is doubled she gets 2 and sometimes a half cup more as a treat/snack.I believe a lot of over weight dogs may get extra calories from unneeded snacks like my last chubby Boxer did.I always gave her something I was eating because I could not resist those big brown eyes staring up at me. IDK just trying to get this post in before Debbie wakes up…

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  • InkedMarie

    If the Blue doesn’t work, take a look at Wellness Core’s reduced fat. I used it for an obese dog we adopted, to lose weight. We fed the amount of food for what she *should* have weighed and went up or down from there

  • Susan

    My vet put my overweight large mixed breed dog on Science Diet RDA. I had her on it for two months with no results. There was alot more stools of course but she did not lose any weight. I stopped feeding her the RDA and started with Blue Buffalo Longevity Lean for Life. I hope this works.

  • BryanV21

    Remember that it’s not necessarily about low calorie foods, it’s about QUALITY calories as well. Which is why the higher calorie Evo doesn’t bother me, since the calories you’re getting are of such a high quality (and you do feed less of it).

    So don’t just be looking at a food’s calorie content, or else you end up with junk like Royal Canin.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    I agree with HDM, I really like the Acana Regionals.

    That being said, my dogs seem to have a sensitive tummy when it comes to duck inclusive formulas (ie: Acana Grasslands). I gave a bag to a friend whose dog also developed some loose stools after a few weeks. Also, I noticed that my Cavalier started to look a little “soft” on the Grasslands. I might start the Regionals with either Wild Prairie or Ranchlands and definitely watch the portions. Please, don’t let my comments cause you to shy away from the brand – this was just my experience with my dogs. I would definitely use Regionals again – it’s a great choice.

  • sharron

    i’ve never given her a cup of food a day -it’s usually a 1/2 cup to 2/3 cup/day – depending on the brand of food. If the food has low calories then of course you have to feed more per serving. i’ve been told she should get anywhere from 200 cals/day to 218 cals/day. and this was from 2 different vets.
    thanks so much for your help – greatly appreciated.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    The Acana regionals are great.

  • sharron

    i’m in Calgary Alberta – there quite a few brands that i would like to try but can’t get them here. Perhaps Acana Regional Grain free formulas?

  • Hound Dog Mom

    I know it’s stressful trying to pick out a food because everyone feels like they need to find the best food or the perfect food, but really there’s no reason to feel like you need to find a certain food and keep her on it. Try all the foods you’re interested in or rotate through a few that you like. Since you’re trying to get her to lose weight just make sure to check the calorie content and adjust portions accordingly if you switch brands. When my dog ate kibble I got a new brand at the end of every bag. Now I make all three of my dogs homemade and they get something different for each meal.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    You could certainly feed a higher calorie food, you’d just have to feed less of it. Acana Light and fit looks like a good food and so does EVO Weight Management. However, I personally would go with the EVO over the Acana because it’s higher in protein and grain-free. Another option to consider – Annamaet actually makes a great weight management food. It’s called “Lean” – it’s grain-free, 30% protein and only 350 kcal. per cup.

  • sharron

    i have to get her on an appropriate food and keep her on it.
    this is driving me nuts – and yes i will admit that i’m to blame.

  • sharron

    ok thanks alot – i thought that the cals were pretty high
    in the EVO when i was reading the analysis on it
    acana light and fit has 360 cals/cup – that will be ok?

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Sharron –

    EVO Weight Management isn’t on the list of recommended weight loss foods because it has 458 kcal. per cup. The criteria for this list is that the food needs to have 250 – 350 kcal. per cup of kibble or 13 oz. of canned.

  • BryanV21

    You’re welcome for the help, it’s my pleasure. Trust me.

    A lot of veterinarians don’t believe in high protein, but I don’t agree with them at all. And I’m not the only one around here that thinks that way. What most vets and others forget is that there is a difference between animal-based protein and plant-based protein. I’d never feed a food high in plant-based protein, as a dog’s digestive system is set up to process animal-based proteins (aka “meat” or “fish”). 

    I have no personal experience with Acana Light & Fit, but I’ve heard nothing but good things about both the company and the food.

    Good luck.

  • sharron

    ok – i have a bag of acana light and fit that i started but was told by a vet tech, at the clinic i take her to, that acana is too high in protein for her. from what i have been reading it isn’t high. so i will put her back on this food, – thanks again for your help

  • BryanV21

    No. I’ll give you 4 reasons why…

    Corn, wheat, cellulose, “animal” flavors

  • sharron

    royal canin mini weight care

  • BryanV21

    They may be just fine for your pup, but it depends on how they compare to what you have been feeding. What was it, anyway?

  • sharron

    is it really necessary to put her on a weight loss food
    since she isn’t obese. i tried orijen that made her sick.
    what about acana regional grain free formulas?
    or perhaps blue buffalo wilderness small bites?
    thanks again

  • BryanV21

    I’m really not sure. It may be because Mike hasn’t gotten around to reviewing Evo Weight Management. Hopefully the Dr. sees this and responds, because I’d like to hear it myself.

  • sharron

    thanks

    if evo weight management is considered a good food why isn’t it on the recommended weight loss food list as shown above?

  • BryanV21

    I believe that any dog needing to lose weight should go with grain-free, low-carb, foods that are high in animal-based protein (aka “meat” or “fish”).

    If you think about it, a popular diet for humans is a low-carb one, while humans are omnivores. So wouldn’t it make total sense for a dog, that is a carnivore, to be on a low-carb diet as well. Heck, I think it makes MORE sense for a dog to be on a low-carb diet.

    DFA ranks their foods based on protein levels, so I’d look at a 5-star food that’s grain-free, while making sure that protein is mainly animal-based (too many foods boost their protein thanks to peas and other high protein plants). 

    Evo Weight Management is a little pricey, but I think it’s the best kibble you can feed a dog needing to lose weight. 

  • sharron

    could someone please let me know what is an appropriate food for a chihuahua/yorkie mix who is about 2 lbs overweight
    and is very picky about dry food. currently feeding royal canin mini weight care (doesn’t like it anymore). gets walks 4 x/day, 20 mins each (weather permitting) right now we have a foot of snow and it’s -25 degrees
    thanks so much 

  • sharron

    thanks shawna

    what about evo weight management? good choice do you think?

  • Shawna

    Hi sharron ~~ HDM is absolutely right about the higher protien being bad for toy breeds myth.

    I have 8 toy breed dogs ranging in size from 5 to 14 pounds and in age from 6 years to 15 years — (Chihuahua, Poms, Shih Tzu etc).  I feed them foods that have significantly more protein then Acana.  This includes one that has had kidney disease since birth.  She’s had the disease now for 6 and 1/2 years and is thriving on a high protein diet.

    There is no such thing as giving a dog too much protein — be it a 3 pound Chihuahua or a 120 pound Hound Dog.  The Chihuahua will eat less food but requires the same nutrition as the Hound Dog.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Unfortunately your vet gave you some incorrect information here. As hard as it may be to believe a tiny yorkie/chi mix has the same nutritional requirements as a large dog like a great dane. All dogs are the same species and therefore have the same nutritional requirements. Most healthy dogs will thrive on a high protein, grain free diet. If you check out the article library on Champion’s website there are some great articles – written by vets – explaining the benefits of high protein diets and debunking the myths surrounding them.

  • sharron

    yes i like acana and orijen too – i’m about 3 hrs away from champion foods – she does ok on acana – orijen makes her sick – too rich i think. the problem i have is that i have been told to take her off acana because it’s too high in protein for her – she’s a yorkie/chihuahua
    one of the vets at the clinic told me this.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Acana light and fit is definitely a good food as far as grain-inclusive foods go, but I do feel a grain-free food would be best for any dog. I’ve fed all of Acana’s grain-free varieties in the past and my dog did very well on them, I’m a big fan of Champion’s pet products (both Orijen and Acana). I’ve never fed the Wellness Core reduced fat but I’ve read comments on here from people that have and they’ve had good luck with it – ingredient-wise it looks good to me and it’s rated 5 stars. You could even rotate between some of the Acana grain-free varieties and the Wellness Core if you wanted, it’d give your dog more variety.

  • sharron

    thanks again!!!!!!

    your opinion on acana light and fit? or should i go with a grain free formula? – what do you think about wellness core reduced fat?

  • Hound Dog Mom

    I would avoid canned broth, it’s high in sodium and doesn’t really have any nutrients. Canned is quite expensive to feed exclusively. I think your best option would be to add a small amount of canned to the dry, just mash some up with warm water to make a “gravy” and coat the kibble – you could use this method to stretch a can out over the course of two or three days. Another option would be using something like The Honest Kitchen’s Ice Pups and adding water to make a gravy, it’s similar to a broth when you add water but there’s no salt added and it’s high in protein and fat so your dog will actually get some nutrients from it.

  • sharron

    forgot to mention that i figured out how much it will cost to feed her just canned food – just too expensive

  • sharron

    thanks for your help

    i have a small bag of acana light and fit. in order for her to eat dry i have to add something to it. she likes beef broth. i have campbells’ low sodium (18%). started using it last night. just a tsp. is it ok to use that all the time.

  • Fern

    Then I wonder if the grain free would be a better choice for weight loss. One of the reasons I don’t choose any of the above is becasue there has been a recall at some point in the life of the company. Vets choice has never had a recall since they opened 1978. They are organic, they never import from china. I know the reasons this food is a **** and I have looked up the benifits of brown rice,garlic, beet pulp and they are really great for dogs. I love that I don’t have to worry about any recalls or stuff from china and that is is family owned. My boys and girls love the food too. Thank you for your help and your quick replys.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Oh I see, you’re wondering why it isn’t on this list. Well Dr. Mike states above that the foods on this list meet three criteria: 1) above average protein, 2) below average fat and 3) 250 – 350 kcal. per cup or 13 oz. can. This food is only 24% protein which would be considered “average” not a”above average” and it has 365 kcal. per cup.

  • Fern

    Sorry Hound dog mom I can’t find it. I have read his review on the food in general. I was wondering about the wieght loss senior food from vets choice. It’s not in his list above for wiehgt loss and I was wondering why?

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Hi Fern –

    Dr. Mike has reviewed this food:

    http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-reviews/vets-choice-holistic-health-extension-dry/

    It’s rated 4 stars. You can scroll through the comment thread on the food to read about others’ experiences with it.

  • Fern

    Would any one know if this food at this link is good?
    Thanks
    http://vetschoice.com/productinfo.php?productID=1000001

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Hi Sharron –

    Sounds like you’re on the right track with the exercise! I would, however, avoid foods labeled “light” or “low fat” – the meat is replaced with filler (carbs) to lower the fat content and consequently the protein content is lowered as well. I’d just go with a high quality 4 or 5 star canned food, grain-free is a plus too. If you’re going with dry, there’s no reason to use a low fat food either, just a 4 or 5 star all life stages food with controlled portions.

  • BryanV21

    People are omnivores, meaning their digestive systems are able to properly process carbs and grains. Yet a popular weight loss diet is one low in carbohydrates. 

    Dogs are carnivores, meaning their digestive systems are really only set-up to process animal-based foods (meat, organs, etc). So wouldn’t it make sense that a good way for a dog to lose weight would be to also eat foods low in carbohydrates and grains?

    So the most ideal diet for a dog needing to lose weight would be a raw diet. However, if you need to feed dry food for whatever reason, then I believe Evo Weight Management is the best choice. If you can’t get Evo, then I’d look at another food that’s grain-free, low carb, and high in animal-based protein.

  • sharron

    thanks

    i have her on natural choice lamb and rice lite.
    it has 249 calories/cup. i called Nutro this am and they said to feed her 1/2 cup/day. – that’s only 125 calories/day. she doesn’t get treats or table food and i walk her 4 x day – 20 mins each. she’s 10.8 lbs and should weigh 8.5-9lbs.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Sharron –

    A high quality canned food is more species appropriate for any dog regardless of whether they’re overweight or not. For dogs that are overweight a benefit of canned food is that it contains more moisture and therefore is often less calorie-dense. This means that cup for cup canned food usually has less calories than dry food so an overweight dog can eat a larger volume of food for the same amount of calories that they’d eat if consuming a dry food.

  • sharron

    which is better for a slightly overweight dog – canned, dry or both?
    thanks

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  • aimee

    As I reported before the lectins in grains, potato, peas etc are all significantly reduced after extrusion. If I remember right this is because it is lectins 3-D structure which allows them to exert their effect. The exception is gliadin which is “lectin like”  so I’m guessing not a 3-D driven effect.

    I see lots of qualifies in the literature.. possibly, may play a role, etc.

    I can agree that rather than outright vilifying these ingredients and say they shouldn’t be fed to instead recommend rotating instead.  

  • aimee

    Shawna,
     
    Well I know for sure my cat would be leaner on a raw diet… she wouldn’t eat it : )
     
    As I look at some of the weight loss literature in cats I see there is a leaning toward volume being a significant satiety signal. Since dry can be much more energy dense than moist I can see cats being free fed being leaner on a moist diet.
     
    I think the key is energy density which is why Backus reported it was high fat, not high carb, that led to weight gain in the cats he studied. Higher fat foods have a higher energy density ( keeping moisture constant) 
     
    In regards to my statement of “high fat” in regards to dogs I should clarify that I was refering to kibble with higher than average fat content .. like EVO.
     
    You’d probably consider this a moderate fat diet, I called it high fat.. it is all relative. : ) 
     
    What I have seen in that when people switch to a “moderate” fat diet, 40-50% of calories from fat the dog gains weight. As I said this is simply because the owner is feeding by volume and because the diet is more energy dense is feeding more calories. The dog very willing eats the additional calories. 
     
     Though the food is low carb, the dog’s appetite is not decreased. The dog eats all that is offered and gains weight.
     
    I agree that a dog can lose weight on a high protein moderate fat (40-50 % calories from fat)  low carb food.
     
    My point is that a high protein, low fat, mod carb food works equally as well and allows more volume to be fed which may help both the owner and the dog.
     
    Toxed2loss provided the reference that fat in the diet is most efficiently laid down as fat in the dog and protein least efficiently becomes fat. This is what I have always said.
     
    In free feed studies in dogs and cats on dry foods the animals on the higher fat diets were fatter than those on the higher carb diets. The dogs on the higher fat diets ate more calories, weighed more and had higher body fat percentages. The dogs on the higher carb diets weighed less and were leaner.
     
     If carb was driving weight gain and hunger than we should have a different result. 
     
    My personal observation accurately reflects the published literature.

  • Shawna

    Thought you might like to add the following article to your research file Toxed ;) ..

    I just read this in the Dogs4Dogs email newsletter.  Two paragraph exert of the article.

    “In my review of the risks of GMOs, (genetically modified food ingredients), present in most manufactured pet foods that are not Organically certified and which contain corn, soy, canola, sugar beet or imported rice, I give a unique perspective as a nationally syndicated newspaper columnist. It is through this column, which I have been writing for over 40 years, and the thousands of letters received from pet owners concerned about their dogs’ and cats’ illnesses which conventional veterinary treatments were not always effectively resolving, that I was able to track changes in the kinds of illnesses seen in companion animals that coincide with and parallel the introduction of increasing amounts of GMOs in their diets.

    People often wrote to me when veterinary treatments for this cluster of ailments failed, often with harmful side-effects from prescribed remedies, especially with steroids, and problems with various manufactured prescription diets. These animals were suffering from what attending veterinarians were diagnosing and treating as allergies, asthma, atopic dermatitis and other skin problems, irritable bowel syndrome, leaky gut syndrome, inflammatory bowel disease, colitis, recurrent diarrhea, vomiting, indigestion, along with abnormalities in liver, pancreatic and immune system functions.”  http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2012/10/24/gmos-in-pet-food/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Truth4dogs+%28Truth4Dogs%29

  • Toxed2loss

    Hi Caring,

    I wanted to follow up on our conversation from the other day.

    Here’s a video from an El Paso DVM, Dr Jerry Kincaid, on the problems associated with feeding pets corn, & grains.

    http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=hXC5q3-OCN8&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DhXC5q3-OCN8

    Here’s a link to one of Dr. Karen Becker’s articles on choosing dog food and her recommendations if you are choosing a dry food

    http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2010/10/21/selecting-the-best-cat-pet-and-dog-pet-food.aspx

    Excerpts:

    “No grains (carnivores don’t have a biologic requirement for grain)

    No wads of potatoes or other starches to offset meat content”

    “Ingredients three and four should be vegetables (avoid corn, wheat or beep pulp) and unless the formula is grain-free (which I recommend),…”

    “Leave all pet food containing corn or soy in any form on the shelf. Corn is a cheap filler ingredient, non-nutritious for pets, and a known allergenic. Soy is estrogenic and wreaks havoc on your pet’s endocrine system.”

    Hope that helps!

  • Pattyvaughn

    My cats didn’t gain or lose, but they sure did rearrange a lot.  I have two long hairs that were squishy feeling and had a BIG gut when I was feeding a hair ball food that is high grain.  I switched them to NutriSource, which is still grain inclusive, but a much smaller amount and they lost the gut and added some muscle.  Now I’m feeding them some raw and they have toned up quite a bit more and have started eating less and running around a lot more.  They are now 12 years old. 

  • Shawna

    I’ll bet monies that a cat on a higher calorie species appropriate raw diet will be leaner then a cat on equal amounts of Pro Plan.

    You wrote “And as I reported before I’ve seen dog after dog gain weight when changed to high fat foods.”

    We’ve discussed this before but I can’t seem to get it to stick ——

    I’m NOT an advocate of “high” fat foods.  In fact, I reject raw foods that are “high” fat (in relation to the quantity of protein).  I’ve never tried to get a dog (or recommended to another) to lose weight eating high fat.  That is absurd…  However, you don’t have to feed “low” fat either — if you lower the carbs.. 

    Many of us have had wonderful success feeding a high protein, moderate fat and lower carb diet..  Science has proven that dogs on a high protein diet easily lose body fat while gaining lean muscle. 

  • Shawna

    I do agree that there is much yet unknown and yet to be uncovered regarding lectins.  In the meantime however we KNOW that they cause damage.  We KNOW that they can cause major disease.  We know that they can usually be eaten in moderation without symptoms etc.  I refuse to ignore what we do know because of what we haven’t yet discovered.

    Simply because science hasn’t uncovered certain aspects of something doesn’t mean we should dismiss the empirical evidence.  It is likely more often then not empirical evidence that spawns the research in the first place.

    If someone feels strongly about feeding grains/potato etc I would say go for it BUT diversify the diet.  Feed corn this bag and barley next bag and so on..  For me, this is just common sense on multiple levels..

  • Shawna

    It depends on whom you are reading—-some refer to gliadin as a lectin and some lectin like.  My guess is that it isn’t a “glycoprotein” so some refer to it as lectin-like while others call it a lectin because it agglutinates.  Either way, it agglutinates so causes the same damage as a lectin.

    I would agree that it depends on the individual lectin.  Example — kidney beans can be fatal if eaten raw.  But when soaked in water much of the lectins are drawn out.  That’s why “soaking” beans overnight and draining off the water before cooking gets passed down from generation to generation. 

    And grains were “fermented” etc before being eaten by our ancestors.

    “Proteins/glycoproteins from plants, particularly lectins, are more resistant to heat denaturation than animal proteins (1, 2). With legume seeds, whose lectin content is appreciable, this presents potentially serious problems in nutritional practice. Therefore, before they can be used safely, legume-based food/ feeds usually require thorough and expensive heat processing to inactivate antinutritive components. Indeed, dry or moist heating of seeds at 70°C for several h has little or no effect on their lectin activity (Fig. 1) and treatment at much higher temperatures is needed to inactivate the biological and antinutritional effects of legume lectins (1, 2). The safety aspect is even more serious with some monocot lectins, such as wheatgerm agglutinin or a number of oilseed lectins, such as peanut agglutinin and many others because they are extremely heat stable and normal cooking or other conventional heat treatments may fail to inactivate them (3) Thus, the best way to avoid potential harmful effects of these heat-resistant lectins is to limit their dietary intake to a minimum.”  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21374488

    This is only one of the articles out there that suggest lectins (some) are quite heat stable.  Definitley moreso then regular proteins..

    Again, if heat destroyed lectins then nobody would have to worry about peanut allergies and celiacs could very easily find an alternative wheat product and I could drink milk without reacting —– YES, I’m bitter about that :)

  • aimee

    Butter Pecan? Too Funny!

    My experience has been the same for my crew low carb Evo vs Pro Plan. It has been more about the calories than the low carb/high carb thing.

  • Melissaandcrew

     There is no way I would ever free feed my crew. They would consume as much as they could and necessitate a visit to the vet(have already had this happen when one got into the Acana Ranchlands bag) to induce vomiting.

    Having fed both types of food, I really do not see a huge difference in higher carb versus lower carb. The iggy eats the same to maintain his weight(calorie based) on both types. Since I tend to feed food equal in kcals per cup, that is 1 1/2 cups per day no matter what type of food it is. I will say that he loves carbs-he will not beg if you are eating baked chicken, but pull out ceral, chips etc and he is “johnny on the spot”-that and butter pecan ice cream, lol.

  • Melissaandcrew

     Haven’t heard from Antonio in eons! Yes, his dobe(male) did better on higher carb foods and grain inclusive foods. Last thing I heard, he was using Victor grain free and the doberboy was doing well on it. Not sure how he continues to do since he has been absent from here.

  • aimee

    It sounds reasonable…. but just doesn’t seem to work. Maybe it is because in pet foods the carbs are blended with the rest of the diet and these large swings  in glucose stimulating hunger just don’t occur.

    In my own household I’d never let my dogs free feed, but my cat does. She loses weight when on Pro Plan free feed ( high carb) and gains it on Evo( low carb). I ususally keep her on EVO because I have a hard time keeping weight on her. I think volume drives her appetite more than anything else.

    I was at a social event and got to talking to someone who put her chubby cat on EVO after reading about the whole carb causes hunger thing.  I think she was on free feed Iams (??). The cat went from 12 lbs to 14 lbs in 2 months! She was in the process of changing back to the previous higer carb diet.  

    I know a ‘n” of 2 is hardly noteworthy but you alll like observation over studies  : )

    And as I reported before I’ve seen dog after dog gain weight when changed to high fat foods. IF hunger was driven by carbs and low carb diets “cause you to want to eat less” then why did the dogs consume all that was offered and gain weight?

    But for those interested in studies Romsos (1978) free fed adult dogs for 25 weeks either a high fat or a high carb diet. At the end the study the high fat group gained more weight and accumulated more than twice the amount of fat as the high carb group.  

    The same was seen in the Backus study.. a weight gain of 17% in the highest fat fed group.

    This is why I’ve always said you can’t reason science: )
         

  • aimee

    Is gliadin a lectin? I’ve sometimes see it labeled as a lectin and othertimes “lectin- like” I have to say it confuses the heck out of me : )

    I’d think lectin destruction depends on the lectin involved and the time and temps. So extrusion may may destroy a lot more then conventional cooking.

    I think there is just so much that is unknown and remains to be uncovered and understood about these compounds that it is premature to be speaking in terms of absolutes about them. (That could be phrased better, hopefully you get what I mean)

  • aimee

    Melissa,

    Interesting… Ther was a poster on here, Antonio?? who if I remember right also said his dog also a Dobe did better on holding weight when carb was in the diet. 

  • aimee

    Melissa,
     You are remembering correctly. There was a change in RV from modified live to killed. Killed vacine contain adjuvant which causes an intentional inflammatory response so the animal responds to the vaccine. Pathologists noted that they were seeing a spike in sarcomas in cats and that they were in sites commonly used for vaccination. A similar spike was not seen in dogs. (This is because injection site sarcomas are much much less common in dogs) However once it was recognized in cats, any sarcoma in sites used for vaccine in other species became suspect and publications followed.  So yes it was first recognized in cats and since so much rarer in dogs got the reputation of being a “cat thing” 

  • Orion

    Hey, I tell it like it is. Best wishes, Orion

  • Shawna

    A change in our thinking is a comin aimee….  It’s only a matter of time..

    From the diet doctors website (only one of MANY similar viewpoints)
    “For 150 years or more there have been an infinite number of weight loss diets based on eating less carbs. What’s new is that at least 17 modern scientific studies have proven that, yes, low carb is the most effective way to lose weight.

    Obviously it’s still possible to lose weight on any diet – just eat less calories than you burn, right? The problem with this simplistic advice is that it ignores the elephant in the room: Hunger. Most people don’t like to “just eat less”, i.e. being hungry forever. That’s dieting for masochists. Sooner or later a normal person gives up and eats, hence the prevalence of “yo-yo dieting”.

    The main advantage of low carb diets is that they cause you to want to eat less. Even without counting calories most overweight people eat far fewer calories on low carb. Sugar and starch may increase your hunger, avoiding it may decrease your appetite to an adequate level. If your body wants to eat a suitable number of calories you don’t need to bother counting them. Thus: Calories count, but you don’t need to count them.”  http://www.dietdoctor.com/how-to-lose-weight-part-1-of-17

    I don’t have access to those “17 modern scientific studies” but apparently they are out there.

  • Shawna

    For me, the issue with these foods is 1.  they may be eaten as the only diet for years and years.  2.  symptoms may not be recognized even if they are there.

    It took 20 years to diagnose my dairy issue.  I was diagnosed with hypothyroid, pernicious anemia, iron anemia, arthritic like joint pains, sinusitis (but no infection), carpel tunnel and tendonitis etc etc etc etc etc..  Come to find out — it was ALL related to the dairy intolerance..  And I have met too many people with same or similar issues that went undiagnosed as well.  Like my friend in California that had her colon removed in her 30s.  Yet her symptoms continued..  Come to find out — she’s gluten intolerant. 

    By the way, I never had digestive issues..

    I was talking with a mom on a local forum and her 3 year old was diagnosed by a dermatologist with psoriasis.  The cause was diagnosed as idiopathic and her DOCTOR told her food would not cause this…  I suggested eliminating all grains (oats and barley) “just to see”.  Her psoriasis (that was NOT caused by food) started clearing up within days of discontinuing the grains.  Mom said her disposition improved too.  The child did not have digestive issues.

    I could give many more examples of both dogs and people that I personally have talked with or worked with..  It, to me, seems far more prevalant and diverse in symptoms then most want to believe or admit to.

    For those dogs that are eating the same foods day in and day out (or same ingredients in different foods even), it seems prudent to me to eat the foods that cause the least problems as a precaution..  Just my opinion though.

  • Shawna

    Aimee ~~ :)   I agree about learning from each other..

    I would also agree that some lectins in some foods are destroyed during heating but I have read research stating that most lectins are not damaged in most foods.

    IF lectins were damaged by heating then those with peanut allergies could eat irradiated peanuts.  And those with gluten (gliadin) intolerance could eat extruded wheat cereals etc..  But they can’t..

    The milk that I react to has been pasteurized.  And I react to dairy in processed foods too.

    The key to preventing lectin damage is diversity of diet and healthy gut bacteria.

  • Melissaandcrew

    I have had the “atkins” effect on two of my dogs by feeding grain free lower carb foods. One of course is my dobergal, and the other is my Iggy Paulie. I stopped it (mostly) in her by adding other foods in. Paulie is a freak as I have said in the past-very nervous and anxious mill rescue-The solution for him was to feed quite a bit more food, and to be sure he always has canned added to the kibble. For an approx 10lb Iggy, he will pack away 1 1/2 cups per day, plus 1/4 of a can.

    The rest of the crew shows no difference between eating lower carb and higher carb foods. I simply monitor how much I feed by calorie content.

  • Melissaandcrew

    I do recall many moons ago there being a belief that vaccine site sarcoma was a feline “thing”. I think it was because it occurred primarily in felines. Not sure where the belief  came from however, but it was “widely accepted” as such.

  • doggonefedup

    aimee,
    my thought on fats and carbs for weight. one word Atkins. works equally well on dogs as on humans