Victor Grain Free Dog Food (Dry)

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Rating: ★★★★★

Victor Grain Free dog food receives the Advisor’s highest rating of 5 stars.

The Victor Grain Free product line includes four dry dog foods, three claimed to meet AAFCO nutrient profiles for all life stages and one formula for maintenance (Joint Health).

The following is a list of recipes available at the time of this review.

  • Victor Grain Free Joint Health
  • Victor Grain Free All Life Stages
  • Victor Grain Free Ultra Professional
  • Victor Grain Free Yukon River Formula

Victor Grain Free All Life Stages was selected to represent the other products in the line for this review.

Victor Grain Free All Life Stages

Dry Dog Food

Estimated Dry Matter Nutrient Content

Protein = 36% | Fat = 18% | Carbs = 38%

Ingredients: Beef meal, sweet potato, chicken meal, peas, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), pork meal, alfalfa meal, dried egg product, flax seed (source of omega 3 and 6 fatty acids), potassium chloride, dried kelp, natural chicken flavor, alfalfa nutrient concentrate, montmorillonite, salt, vegetable and fruit pomace (carrot, peas, tomato, celery, beet, parsley, lettuce, watercress, spinach, cranberries, blueberries), pumpkin seed, blueberries, apple, spinach, monosodium phosphate, yeast extract, dried chicory root, yeast culture, vitamins (vitamin E supplement, vitamin B12 supplement, niacin supplement (source of vitamin B3), vitamin A supplement, d-calcium pantothenate (source of vitamin B5), thiamine mononitrate (source of vitamin B1), biotin (source of vitamin B7), riboflavin supplement (source of vitamin B2), vitamin D3 supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride (source of vitamin B6), ascorbic acid, folic acid (source of vitamin B9), minerals (zinc sulfate, calcium carbonate, ferrous sulfate, zinc amino acid chelate, iron amino acid chelate, copper sulfate, copper amino acid chelate, manganese sulfate, manganese amino acid chelate, magnesium amino acid chelate, cobalt carbonate), l-lysine, selenium yeast, lecithin, choline chloride, hydrolyzed yeast, dried Enterococcus faecium fermentation product, dried Lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation product, dried Aspergillus niger fermentation product, dried Bacillus subtilis fermentation product, Yucca schidigera extract, taurine, mixed tocopherols and citric acid (preservatives), rosemary extract

Fiber (estimated dry matter content) = 4.2%

Red items when present indicate controversial ingredients

Estimated Nutrient Content
MethodProteinFatCarbs
Guaranteed Analysis33%16%NA
Dry Matter Basis36%18%38%
Calorie Weighted Basis31%37%33%

The first ingredient includes beef meal. Beef meal is considered a meat concentrate and contains nearly 300% more protein than fresh beef.

The second ingredient is sweet potato. Sweet potatoes are a gluten-free source of complex carbohydrates in a dog food. They are naturally rich in dietary fiber and beta carotene.

The third ingredient includes chicken meal, another protein-rich meat concentrate.

The fourth ingredient mentions peas. Peas are a quality source of carbohydrates. Plus (like all legumes) they’re rich in natural fiber.

However, peas contain about 25% protein, a factor that must be considered when judging the actual meat content of this dog food.

The fifth ingredient is chicken fat. Chicken fat is obtained from rendering chicken, a process similar to making soup in which the fat itself is skimmed from the surface of the liquid.

Chicken fat is high in linoleic acid, an omega-6 fatty acid essential for life. Although it doesn’t sound very appetizing, chicken fat is actually a quality ingredient.

The sixth ingredient includes pork meal, yet another high protein meat concentrate.

Although pork meal contains nearly 300% more protein than fresh pork, it can also be high in ash — about 25-30%.

However, the ash content of the final product is typically adjusted in the recipe to allow its mineral profile to meet AAFCO guidelines.

The seventh ingredient is alfalfa meal. Although alfalfa meal is high in plant protein (about 18%) and fiber (25%), this hay-family item is more commonly associated with horse feeds.

The eighth ingredient lists dried egg product, a dehydrated form of shell-free eggs. Quality can vary significantly. Lower grade egg product can even come from commercial hatcheries — from eggs that have failed to hatch.

In any case, eggs are easy to digest and have an exceptionally high biological value.

The ninth ingredient is flaxseed, one of the best plant sources of healthy omega-3 fatty acids. Provided they’ve first been ground into a meal, flax seeds are also rich in soluble fiber.

Yeast extract is the common name for a broad group of products made by removing the cell wall from the yeast organism.

A significant number of these ingredients are added as specialized nutritional supplements while others are used as flavor enhancers.

However, the glutamic acid (and its chemical cousin, monosodium glutamate, or MSG) found in a minority of yeast extracts can be controversial.

That’s because even though the Food and Drug Administration designated these food additives to be safe decades ago1, the agency continues to receive reports of adverse effects.

So, detractors still object to the use of yeast extract and other glutamic acid derivatives and blame them for everything from Alzheimer’s (in humans) to obesity.

In any case, since the label reveals little about the the actual type of yeast extract included in any recipe, it’s impossible for us to judge the quality of this ingredient.

From here, the list goes on to include a number of other items.

But to be realistic, ingredients located this far down the list (other than nutritional supplements) are not likely to affect the overall rating of this product.

With five notable exceptions

First, montmorillonite clay is a naturally occurring compound rich in many trace minerals. Montmorillonite has been approved for use in USDA Organic Certified products.

Reported benefits include the binding of certain mold-based toxins and even controlling diarrhea and irritable bowel syndrome (IBS).

Next, chicory root is rich in inulin, a starch-like compound made up of repeating units of carbohydrates and found in certain roots and tubers.

Not only is inulin a natural source of soluble dietary fiber, it’s also a prebiotic used to promote the growth of healthy bacteria in a dog’s digestive tract.

In addition, this recipe also contains selenium yeast. Unlike the more common inorganic form of selenium (sodium selenite), this natural yeast supplement is considered a safer anti-cancer alternative.

Next, we note the inclusion of pomace, the solid by-product of fruit and vegetables after pressing for juice or oil. This item contains the skins, pulp, seeds, and stems of the fruit.

Vegetable pomace can be a controversial ingredient. Some praise pomace for its high fiber, while others scorn it as an inexpensive pet food filler.

Just the same, there’s probably not enough vegetable pomace here to make much of a difference.ace

And lastly, this food also contains chelated minerals, minerals that have been chemically attached to protein. This makes them easier to absorb. Chelated minerals are usually found in better dog foods.

Victor Grain Free Dog Food
The Bottom Line

Judging by its ingredients alone, Victor Grain Free Dog Food looks like an above-average dry product.

But ingredient quality by itself cannot tell the whole story. We still need to estimate the product’s meat content before determining a final rating.

The dashboard displays a dry matter protein reading of 36%, a fat level of 18% and estimated carbohydrates of about 38%.

As a group, the brand features an average protein content of 39% and a mean fat level of 19%. Together, these figures suggest a carbohydrate content of 34% for the overall product line.

Above-average protein. Above-average fat. And below-average carbs when compared to a typical dry dog food.

And a fat-to-protein ratio of about 49%.

Even when you consider the protein-boosting effect of the peas, this looks like the profile of a kibble containing a significant amount of meat.

Bottom line?

Victor Grain Free is a meat-based dry dog food using an abundance of beef, chicken and pork meals as its main sources of animal protein, thus earning the brand 5 stars.

Enthusiastically recommended.

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Notes and Updates

06/06/2011 Original review
06/13/2011 Review updated
06/02/2012 Review updated
12/21/2013 Review updated
12/21/2013 Last Update

  1. L-Glutamic Acid, FDA Select Committee on GRAS Substances
  • Andi

    I just saw this. I have a 6 yr old Chihuahua, and a foster failure. LOL! My half chi and half corgi foster stole my heart and was adopted by me. I did a lot of research on dog foods a yr and a half ago. My pup kept sneaking into my older chi’s food. I am no expert, but many at that time suggested that dogs under 2 yrs old should not consume joint supplements. The young bone structures can suffer adverse joint and bone issues. Myself, I have gone to great lengths to keep my new pup from the adult food with joint supplements. If it happened occasionally , it might be fine. I would not think you should give it any food addressing specific needs, until there was a reason to do so. Like in humans, its not good to take vitamins, unless your body needs it. Too much of anything is not good. The forums on sportdog are very informative, btw.

  • catahoula59

    Jeff T
    Check with your vet to see how much calcium etc. your pup will need. Any question you might have about Victor Dog food, call their business and they are so, so helpful. I have an almost 2 year old catahoula and she has been on the Yukon River since she was seven weeks old and is doing beautifully. You mentioned hips—one thing you must never ever allow is during training or otherwise that anyone press down on those hips to teach her to sit or for any other reason. You probably know that but I see it happen so often that I have to mention it. Those bones are fragile and any pressing or pressure on them can damage them also, jumping up but mostly jumping off of furniture, running up and down stairs if you live in a 2 story home. Teaching her to sit all you have to do is let her see a little treat then bring it back over her little head and she will go into that sit position, you praise and reward–she’s learned to sit just that fast. Good luck and the anticipation of her coming to live with y’all real soon has to be exciting.

  • theBCnut

    I let Gideon and Micah play in the pond yard this morning while I worked in my flower bed. Gideon loves to swim, but Micah does not. Pretty soon both dogs ran up to the fence soaking wet. I don’t know if Gideon convinced Micah to play in the water or threw micah in, and they were so full of stickers and hitchhikers that I don’t know if I’ll try it again tomorrow to see if Micah will play in the water now.

  • Dori

    Well I guess so. All three of mine HATE baths even though they’ve been getting them since them came into our family. They also hate hate hate water. Other than for drinking water of course.

  • LabsRawesome

    Hey Dori, Trinity loves water and baths, she also loves to get dirty, and muddy. So it’s definitely a plus that she likes water. :)

  • Dori

    Labs, how on earth do you keep your dog so white? Always looks spotless. And….your son is always smiling, so nice to see. : )

  • Crazy4cats

    I believe it is best to keep it at or under 1.3%. There is much information about this topic on the forum which was posted in an earlier reply to you. The Victor chicken and rice formula states that is 1.2% on their site and it is an all life stages food. I am just going by what has been posted on this site by someone whom I believe is pretty darn knowledgeable, but please check with your vet as well. Please post some pictures of your pup when you get her!

  • LabsRawesome

    Just bought a bag of Victor Ultra Pro 42. The ingredients have changed. The new list (per bag) chicken meal, beef meal, chicken fat, peas, bison meal, sweet potatoes, pork meal, menhaden fish meal. It’s the new bag with a team of huskies. Victor’s site still has the old ingredient list.

  • Dori

    Please check out the thread that theBCnut posted for you on large breed puppies. They need less calcium in their diet than small or medium size dogs. I don’t have large dogs but I do know that it is crucial for them to eat diets specifically formulated for them.

  • Jeff T

    Looks like I will be giving her Victor High-Pro Select for active dogs and puppies. are you saying she will need more calcium or less the victor page for the High-Pro Select says 1.4%

  • Crazy4cats

    Hi Jeff-
    When you say you are going to feed the large breed Victor, do you mean either the chicken or lamb and rice that I mentioned? They don’t have one specifically for large breeds. The main concern is the calcium content for large breed pups. You could always add a little extras to their food to bump the protein of these foods as well. Sounds like you have some fun days ahead of you!

  • Jeff T

    Thanks I am thinking of just giving her the glucosamine tabs and then rolling with the large breed puppy food from victor. The main thing I like about victor is the meat base for protein. Most other foods are plant based protein which leads to allergic reactions as I had with my maltese/Poodle mix. Thanks for posting.

  • Crazy4cats

    Hi Jeff T-
    On my last lbp list that I have saved and can’t seem to attach for some reason, shows that only the Victor Select Chicken Meal and Brown Rice and/or the Victor Select Lamb Meal and Brown Rice as meeting the guidelines for large breed pups. I believe they are both rated 4 stars on this site. I feed both my three year-old labs the grain free with glucosamine and they do really well on it. It is an adult maintenance food. You should feed either a puppy or an all life stages food to your new pup. Good luck and have fun with that pup!

  • theBCnut

    Read here to learn the issues when feeding a large breed puppy. You only need to read the first few pages.
    http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/forums/topic/large-and-giant-breed-puppy-nutrition/
    Page 15 has the newest list of appropriate foods for large breed puppies.

  • Jeff T

    I am new to the Victor dog food line. My Maltese/Poodle mix has been on the senior for awhile now. So I know it’s good food. The question I have is we are about to bring home our new German Shepherd on 11/15/14 and I want to keep her on Victor since that is what the breeder has been feeding her. However can I feed her as a puppy the joint health since shepherds have joint issues. She is from champion bloodlines and no joint problems have been reported from her parents or grandparents. Just want to be on the safe side. Any feedback would be appreciated.

  • catahoula11

    Barbara, I joined Editor’s Choice. Thanks and keep lovin’ those dogs. I’m in Baton Rouge, LA. Take care

  • Barbara

    Hi catahoula11, I am glad that Dori answered your question. (Thanks Dori) It is really wonderful that you have at least one dog they are such good companions (the best!) I hope your dog gets a chance to socialize with other dogs and that you have a park area like I have in order to do that.

    I usually only go on the dfa site a few times a week…in fact I usually check my e-mails only 2 times a day. I spend most of every morning taking my dogs to the off-leash park and exercising them (and myself). I am going on 70 yrs young and time seems to fly by and I try to enjoy it. I live in Shawnee, Kansas and think your are in a much different time zone than I…

    You will find many knowledgeable people on this site and I have learned from them (even at my age). All I have is experience from having many dogs over my lifetime and have been very fortunate with most of them. I highly recommend visiting all areas of the dfa site to gather information regarding multiple issues with dogs and dog food. It is a Great site and the only one I ever visit since I am not on the computer much. I am also a member of the Editor’s Choice and forums and there is so much information from helpful and caring people in both the home area and forums. I usually start with the Recent comments in the right bar and go from there. There is always something interesting to read.

  • catahoula11

    Thanks, Dori.

  • Dori

    Not Barbara. TOTW is Taste of the Wild dog food made by Diamond.

  • catahoula11

    Barbara, thanks for the information. I really appreciate your love of dogs–I can only have one at a time which is probably not so much fun for my dog.
    Dumb question–what is TOTW? I will do more research because I always want to give Gabby the best food I can. My first catahoula at Life’s Abundance for 10 1/2 of her 12 1/2 years with their vitamins. I also gave her fruits and vegetables. I had peach trees, blueberry bushes, and a cherry tree and she help herself to those things. Thanks for the info on Editor’s choice forum. Where do you live, if I might ask?

  • Barbara

    Hi catahoula11, Catahoula’s are great dogs I have seem a couple at the 55 acre off-leach park at a lake I take my dogs to. I have a border collie/flat coat retriever mix almost 14yrs old and you would never know it. A 6 yr old yellow lab and an 11 1/2 yr old Husky/shepherd mix. They are all adopted and well loved also. I am sorry about the loss of your other catahoula, A few years ago we had to put down another Border collie mix at 7 yrs of age because of melanoma that she first lost an eye to with a 50/50 chance but 7 months later it had progressed into her sinus. Also about the same time we lost our dearly beloved golden retriever to old age (the only dog I adopted as a puppy) she was almost 16 yrs!

    I should have been more clear about the meat and veggies they are never more than 20% usually only 10-15% and they are cooked and never seasoned or salted. When I cook meat or eggs just for them I only lightly cook them. They occasionally get some canned sardines or salmon and I also feed them the same unsalted meat scraps and veggies we are having, squash, broccoli, carrots and green beans, etc. They probably get some of these leftovers about 3 times a week. Otherwise they each get about 3/4 can of Kirkland ND Turkey and pea stew a day plus 2 to 21/2 cups of dry. I pick from the list of the best dry dog foods from this site.

    If you get a chance you should check the forums in the editor’s choice section of dfa I think you have to join that section but it really is worth it. There are very knowledgeable people that address many subjects there and in this section as well. I have followed advice from Hound Dog Mom, theBCnut, Crazy4cats, LabsRawesome and many others.

    I was only switching about every 6 or more bags of dry dog food and was using TOTW for a long time which they did great on and they loved but I was concerned when I realized it was manufactured by Diamond. They went through the stomach issues switching off of TOTW I think it was because I had them on the same food for so long…but things are fine now that they have adjusted and I am now trying to switch about every 2 bags so that they get a variety of protein. I do use Victor also. I always take a week or so and add only a little more of the new food each day. I try to stay with about the same protein and fat percentage. I am also giving them Swanson’s mobility Essentials and green lipped mussel.
    I have probably given you way more info than you or anyone wanted to know but you should really consider reading some of the comments from others about raw feeding, supplements and rotating proteins… Good Luck!

  • catahoula11

    Barbara, when you feed raw how do you know what to add to it to make sure they get all of the nutrition and vitamins they need? Also, are you saying you rotate different ready made foods like Victor? How often do you change and does changing foods not upset their tummies? Sorry for all the questions but I’m just curious how you make sure they get all they need. Do you give them vitamins or other supplements?
    My girl is a catahoula and I had another that we had to have put down in 2012—she had cutaneous lymphoma–such a sad, sad disease. She was my baby and I still miss her so much. The disease did not affect her appetite just ravaged her skin etc. I cooked for her and she loved it. In addition I was giving her special supplements that I paid quite a lot for trying to make her well but nothing helped. I give my sweet girl Victor and supplement with broccoli, green beans, carrots, celery, blueberries, strawberries and a few other foods but I pretty much depend on Victor to give her the main vitamins she should have. Not sure if that is right. Enjoy your fur babies–how many and what breed are yours?

  • Barbara

    I completely agree! It has great ingredients and a very reliable company. My comment was just my frustration and not meant seriously. I had called a feed store that was about 20 miles away that would order the Yukon Salmon and the GF Joint health for me but they discontinued being a distributor :( . There is another co-op about 25 miles away that has the GF joint health but won’t special order the Yukon so….I have just decided it was easier to order on-line which I do. It is only one of the dry foods in my rotation because they don’t get that much dry anyway they get meat, vegetables, supplements and good canned food as well.

  • catahoula11

    Barbara, I just spoke with Paul at Victor. He was so very nice and will answer any question you might have. My breeder feeds Victor and after a lot of research, that is all my pup has eaten and she’s great.

  • catahoula11

    I would be afraid if the pet stores and especially Costco start selling Victor. Right now it is limited and all of the products that go into it are from the USA and it is manufactured by them, not by an outside company. If the demand surpasses the supply, I would hope none of this would change but you never know. I feed Yukon River and she has been eating that since she was 7 weeks old and she will soon be 2 years old. Her coat is shiny, her energy level is great, she is very healthy. I am lucky that there are several stores within 15 or so miles that stock Victor foods. Check into maybe becoming a distributor–I don’t know what it cost to get into that but it might be worth the effort. Enjoy your fur babies.

  • Liz W

    I want to thank you for all the information and the link. It has really helped me a lot.

  • theBCnut

    Annamaet has another good “diet” food. The problems I see with R/D are that it always leaves the dog unsatisfied as if they never ate at all, the ingredients are horrible, and when dogs do actually loose weight on it they usually loose a lot of muscle.
    I would definitely try a good regular diet food and closely watch portion sizes. Try to add activity. Five minutes of fetch or tug several times a day helps boost metabolism. Feeding multiple small meals is another metabolism booster. You could try having you dog work for his food rather than just giving it to him, that would make his day interesting and add activity. GSD are usually very good at trick training.

  • sue66b

    Hi Liz, Wellness Core Reduced Fat is suppose to be good, Here’s a link to have a look at the Wellness Range, Maybe try the Complete Health Healthy weight first its only 10%-fat & 21%-protein & fiber-6% more closer to the Science diet ,then try the Wellness Core the fat-12% protein is 33% & fiber is a bit high at 8.5%,
    http://www.wellnesspetfood.com/recipes.aspx?pet=dog&ft=1#Complete

  • Liz W

    My German Shepherd was on Science Diet RD for weight loss due to vet recommendation. I don’t care for Science Diet. I have had shepherds with stomach issues before, but not the case with this one.

  • theBCnut

    What was the prescription diet for? Some German Shepherds do have sensitive stomachs so I would recommend trying a food like NutriSource first, since it is one that dogs transition to fairly easy, but I hesitate to give any recommendation without knowing what the prescription food was actually for.

  • sue66b

    Hi Liz , just be careful changing over at first try to stay around the same amount of fat % & protein % as the prescription food is..then slowely go up in protein % as some dogs will have bad diarrhea, Why was he on a prescription diet? if it was for GI problems just take it slow..Excercise is best for lossing weight & a low fat & low carb diet…

  • Liz W

    I have a 6 year old german sherperd and want to transition off a prescrition diet food. Is a grain free food better for a dog that tends to be chubby?

  • Barbara

    Thanks for the info. I have been to the Victor site and did not realize it has been around since the 50’s. I do believe the ingredients are great and I feel that they take pride in producing their pet food. That is why I am willing to drive a ways to get it at a feed store for a much better price than on-line. My dogs are doing well on it. I hope it works for your dogs as well. Good luck!

  • Kay

    Victor has been around since the 1950s and the company specifically supports ma and pa places by being a 99% USA based company (gets nearly all their ingredients from USA sources) and only sells to private distributors/dealers like little co-ops. I’m just now starting my two on this food (switching from Simply Nourish) so I did A LOT of research on the company and the food before deciding to try it. I overall love their motto and the ingredients are excellent for the price. I’m trying the grain free joint health variety and hope it’s the perfect fit. :)

  • Crazy4cats

    You could also try adding sardines, eggs, and/or fish oil to their meals a few days a week. It’s made a significance difference with my pups.

  • LabsRawesome

    Hi Sidney, I would guess it’s just your dog. My 3 thrive on Victor foods.

  • Sidney Welch

    My pup did too and she sheds a lot!

  • Sidney Welch

    I started feed my bully puppy Victor Yukon River formula and she has started to shed a lot. I was feeding her Blue Buffalo and she was doing well on it but it’s pricy. Is this common with Victor food?

  • Brandon

    I’m not sure if anyone on here is from the greater San Antonio area, but if so and your looking for a store that carries almost all of the Victor line, the check out Producers Co-op in Seguin, Tx. the prices are VERY reasonable. High Energy 40lb bag is priced around $28.00. (830)379-1750. Give em a call.

  • Crazy4cats

    I only have one that carries it, and I don’t live in the sticks! Just hasn’t reached our area yet I guess. Sounds like you made it a fun road trip!

  • Karma_Grant

    I have about 5 different feed stores around me that carry it but all are at least 30 miles away (oh the joys of living in the sticks). If we can, we make a nice little road trip out of it and take our dog with us. He loves a car ride and what better ride than to go get his food :)

  • Tracey South

    is that a breed related issue (the puppy thing about not jumping, etc), or all puppies ? thanks.

  • Tracey South

    good point you made, about bad reviews vs good ones. so often I want to try a brand and get scared b/c of reviews. I guess when I see mostly everyone saying the same thing, good or bad, I tend to give it more believability .

  • Crazy4cats

    Oooh, that would be awesome. I’m not sure that the manufacturer would be able to keep up with Costco’s demands though. Yes, I do feed the foods you mentioned above. I still have a case of the cuts in gravy left also. I’m glad to hear they are working for you too!

  • Barbara

    Too bad that more pet stores don’t carry Victor! Most of the places that carry it are Farm supply and feed stores. The Feed store I am going to go to will order the Grain Free Joint Health and GF Yukon for me for $39.99 and $42.99…Amazons prices are $56.95 and $58.95 for the same size! I did get the 50 lb GF Joint Health through Amazon for $78.95 which makes the price per pound a little better. Sportdogfood and Rocketpetz prices are lower than Amazon but you have to pay shipping to most locations which is another $6.95 to $15.95. I am not sure how long Victor dog food has been around but I hope they will expand their availability.

  • Crazy4cats

    I agree, it’s frustrating! I only have one dealer about 30 miles away also. She was about $8 cheaper than Amazon, but has raised her prices a couple of bucks last trip. I guess I might as well order from Amazon. I am so envious of the people who have it in their area and get it so much cheaper. Its making TOTW look more appealing all the time! :(

  • Barbara

    I am confused as to why the on-line dealers like Sportdogfood (which only has a few states in the east with free shipping) and Amazon sell Victor dog food for much higher prices than the feed stores? On-line a 30# bag is at least $16 more than a feed store price if you can find one nearby from the Victor website. I know that other brands found at pet stores are very close to the same price and sometimes less on-line. It is probably because Victor dog food is not easily available and the few on-line places I have found have higher prices because of that fact. I changed from TOTW because it is manufactured by Diamond even though my dogs did great on it. I do have a feed store that will order the grain free Victor dog food for me (they only carry the grain inclusive) but they are almost 30 miles away. After ordering several bags on-line at much higher prices I have decided to take the road trip to get to the feed store!

  • USA Dog Treats

    Hii darrallg

    To starve the mites of yeast and sugar you would NOT feed a dry kibble. A low carb canned food would be a better choice. I would take a look at the 5 star wet food section here on DFA and look for foods that are 10% or lower in carbs.

    Make any changes SLOWLY over a couple of weeks to minimize any issues with a new food.

    I would also take a look at this page which goes a lot deeper into an anti-demodectic mange diet.

    http://www.alternativepets.com/demodex.html

    Give the little guy a rub for me!

  • darrallg

    HELP! I have an adult boston terrier with a demodectic mite problem. I’ve been told I have to starve the mites of yeast and sugar. So I’m worried about fruit content in dry foods. I read that blue buffalo limited is good, but I just don’t know. Anyone out there experienced the same?

  • Gemi

    Thanks. I just bought the non gf version by accident xD lmao I’m going back to exchange it. The price is really nice, $36 for a 40 pound bag. I’m glad I heard about it here.

  • LabsRawesome

    Yes all life stages is for dogs of all ages, from puppies to seniors. Look at Hero Canine, it has added Glucosamine.

  • Gemi

    Nevermind, it seems like the joint health version is similar to all life stages. Do you think it would be safe to give that to my lab puppy and my older dog? Just to be able to have them both on one food(which sounds pretty great) Sorry for asking so many questions.

  • Gemi

    I didnt know this brand is manufactured here in Texas. Turns out I can find this close by. The price is definitely reasonable. I’m wondering if the all life stages variety is the best for my pup and older dog? I do want to avoid further joint problems with the older one and I always thought they needed extra glucosamine. Thanks for the help!

  • Gemi

    Thanks! Thats all very useful information.

  • LabsRawesome

    Check out Victor, it’s rated 5 stars. I use it for all 3 of my dogs. You don’t need a “senior” food. Just feed all life stages. Victor is very reasonably priced, if you can get it local. I pay just under $40 for 30lbs. The smallest bag I ever bought was for my Mom’s Sheltie. It was right around $20 for 15lbs. Some formulas come in 5lb bags also. Here’s Victor’s site, they have a “find a dealer” for stores in your area. http://www.victordogfood.com/

  • Bobby dog
  • Gemi

    Oops forgot to mention, I also want to take my cat off of Friskies so if anybody has any recs, I’ll appreciate that as well :D

  • Gemi

    I don’t know where else to ask this, but does anybody have any recommendations of a somewhat reasonably priced senior, GF food for my 10yr old beagle who’s had a joint problem once in the past? I’ve fed him crap all his life(pedigree, purina, even ol roy), and it’s sad that I’m just now learning about better quality foods. The vet we’ve used since he was a puppy never informed us, even recommended purina. But maybe she didn’t even know, as I still respect and trust her. I ordered some Authority GF puppy food for my lab and wish they made a version for older dogs. Does anyone know if they’ll expand in the future? Its so affordable! And so close to what I’m paying atm for the Crap. I also ordered some over-priced non GF Natures Recipe senior food($40 for a 30Ib bag) for my beagle before I saw the low rating here, and I’m definitely returning it when it gets here. All your help is appreciated. Reading through some of these comments, I really value your opinions and how much you guys help each other on this site.

  • Crazy4cats

    Jen-
    I’m glad to hear the Yukon is working for you so far. I feed my dogs the grain free joint variety with good results. Yes, the Yukon is also 5 stars. Everything under the title is 5 unless noted otherwise in parenthesis beside the individual flavor. So, in this case all grain free flavors are rated a 5. Your dog is lucky to have someone to run with. Have fun!

  • Jen W.

    Is the Yukon also considered 5 stars? I have an italian greyhound/chihuahua mix who runs 1-3 miles with me 5-6 times per week and is a pretty active little guy. He seemed to be itching a lot on a chicken based dog food, then began to reject eating it, and even lost a little weight. Someone at the store said he has good luck with the Yukon and my small dog could manage the kibble size. He seems to be enjoying the food and while I am still finishing the gradual switch from the original food, already it seems he itches less. I was just curious about the actual rating of the Yukon itself…

  • Labs4Me

    That is great! Thanks for your input!

  • Labs4Me

    Thank you for taking the time to respond! Very helpful! I think I will try it.

  • Labs4Me

    Thanks for your input!! Very helpful!

  • Crazy4cats

    Last time I checked, the joint health was the only grain free that came in 50lb bags. I paid $74. We only have one dealer in my area. Still a pretty decent price for a 5 star food.

  • LabLover

    C4C, Do you know if the other GF are available in 50lb bas? And if you dont mind me asking, how much did it run you?

  • Crazy4cats

    Hey, that is great! Thanks for the review.

  • dogdays

    I have a lab that broke her leg when just a pup. She is now 10yo and cannot hardly walk on that leg. When I feed her Victor GF Glucosamine, she hardly has a limp. The store rand out of this one, so I bought one of the other GF varieties without the Glucosamine. She started limping really badly again. As soon as I put her back on the Glucosamine version again…she stopped limping again. This has happened at least 3 times. Proof is in the pudding!!! It definitely works for my dog and couldn’t be a coincidence. I have tried her on most all of the other GF brands and no other food helped her like this. Hope this helps. I think it’s a miracle food!!!

  • Crazy4cats

    Good to know. Thank you.

  • MaryLouise

    Speaking about joint issues–I took a training class with my first catahoula and one of the first things the trainer said was, “NEVER push down on a puppy’s hips when you are teaching the sit command. Especially big dogs because it damages their fragile bones and they tend to have hip issues as they get older.” Facing them show them the treat then bring it forward over their head. They will follow it and end up in the sitting position–praise and treat. It works great and you don’t have to touch them except to praise. She was 12 1/2 and never had a problem with bone issues. I have granddogs that are rotties and their breeder strongly suggests not letting them go up the stairs nor jump up on furniture while they are young–same reason–hip issues. Just passing on what has helped us.

  • MaryLouise

    Hi Labs4Me I have a Louisiana Leopard dog (catahoula) and Victor is all my breeder feeds her dogs. She told me when I got my pup that she feeds her personal dog Victor Yukon River–it is a grain free salmon and sweet potato Super premium food. That is what I am feeding my pup. She is now 19 months old and is thriving–lots of energy, great coat, lots of energy, great teeth, lots of energy lol. She scarfs it down. She can be right in your face and there is not even a hint of unpleasant breath. I hope you find a food that works well for your labs. It’s not easy when your fur babies are not doing well with their food.

  • ckcs7

    Not impressed with Victor Grain Free. My dogs lost weight on it and I had to feed substantially more than other Grain Free foods like Taste of the Wild.

  • Crazy4cats

    Well, my dogs will be just three years old next week. So they don’t have any joint issues yet. I am using this food hoping they won’t develop them. And I think it is the only one of the grain free varieties that come in 50lb bags. I’m not sure it would be enough extra glucosamine to help your pup or not. There are others on this site that might chime in and help you with that. If you can get this food locally, it is really a nice price. Otherwise you can order from Amazon, Sport Dog or Rocketpetz. Good luck!

  • Labs4Me

    Thank you so much for your reply! That is very helpful information. Do you think the joint formula helps? My boy does have some stiffness and wondered if this formula was helpful for that. I’m thinking of trying this formula and the fish formula.

  • Crazy4cats

    Hi Labs4me-
    I am not Dr. Mike, but I feed my two lab mix dogs Victor grain free joint formula. It is definitely my favorite kibble so far for them. I have used Nature’s Logic as well when it was on sale. It’s just too expensive. My dogs have suffered digestive issues and this food seems to work well for them. I can buy this formula in 50 pound bags which is nice as I have to drive a ways to get it. With two 80ish pound dogs, they go through it pretty quick. I don’t know anything about your dog’s conditions, but this food is great for mine. I wish you well.

  • Labs4Me

    Dr. Mike: I have been searching for feedback on Victors GF food for my labs. One has stomach issues and allergies and vestibular issues due to inner ear problem. I currently use Nature’s Logic. I have come here searching for feedback on Victor’s and am reading about everything but that. Can you please provide me with some feedback? Thank You so much for any input you can provide.

  • MaryLouise

    Michele, could it be tape worms? Have you checked with your vet? Maybe check with the vet to make sure it’s not something easily corrected. Good luck with your girl. If feed my girl, a catahoula, the Yukon River because when I got my pup my breeder said she feeds her personal dog this formula. She recently lost her but her’s lived to be almost 14 which is really good. Talked with my vet about rotation and he said he feeds his dogs the same formula always, no rotation.

  • Crazy4cats

    Hey Cayce-
    Glad your kitties are doing well on the new food! I have fed both of the Earthborn formulas with and without grain. I personally like switching up the carb binder as well. So, I don’t have any problem with feeding the one with rice after feeding a grain free for a while. I just wouldn’t feed it long term. It is also less expensive and a little lower in calories as well. I have to be careful because mine are indoor only and could get chubby pretty easy like me! I am going to start transitioning tomorrow to the Merrick healthy weight tomorrow. Funny thing is, I can switch up my cat’s food much easier than my dogs. Good luck. I don’t think you can go wrong either way!

  • Cayce H. Cronk

    Crazy4cats,

    Hi there! We are on our second bag of grain free wellness and the kitties seem to do well on it. I’m ready to switch to a third brand for my rotation. I found the earthborn at a pet supply store nearby. What versions do you guys recommend! Wandering if I should stick with grain free or add one with grains. My cats dandruff has vanished since the food changes, they have so much energy for thirteen year old kitties. The only canned I can get them to eat is wellness, merrick and some fancy feast twice a week. Would love to find some other brands of canned they will like! So glad I changed there food!

  • Kimi_Forever

    good idea. sometimes i am not sure where to post certain questions. Sorry to hi-jack!

  • Crazy4cats

    Hi Kimi Forever-
    I am going to reply to your questions on the Off Topic category of this review site as I feel we are hi-jacking this thread!

  • Kimi_Forever

    Yes we have been feeding merrick purrfect Bistro in the AM and merrick canned at night…the reason we still feed a little dry is because the canned is so expensive, even the merrick canned which is the most reasonable i’ve found almost…But with the cost of that Kibble maybe we could switch just the fat cat and not the others to just the merrick canned…How do you know/determine how many calories your cats need in a day? Maybe we could count her calories and keep her on a high protein canned like the merrick instead of the Hill’s? I told my mother i dont think the Hill’s will help and that from other people’s experience i’ve read online (other sites) the stuff doesnt take weight off but will stop weight from being put on. But thats not our cats problem she isnt gaining weight just needs to lose like 3-4 lbs…Thanks for the good wishes btw!

  • Crazy4cats

    Yes, I took a look at the prescription food and doesn’t look good. Does she feed any canned? IMO, that would be best for a cat with UTI’s and weight issues. I mostly feed canned with a little dry on the side. The dry is more for the boys for extra calories, but the girls sneak it so want a low calorie high protein food to keep them fit. Good luck!

  • Kimi_Forever

    Yeah i havent tried the merrick weight mgt. but have tried the regular merrick chicken flavor. I think merrick cat food is a good bang for your buck. Although upon investigating a little further i think The Before Grain line is a little better then the purrfect bistro line (they dont have a weight mgt Before grain though) as the BG seems to contain more meat and no potato protein….We have one cat who was starved as a baby and ever since has developed a love for food and is overweight but our other two are fine weight wise. I just tried so hard to get my mother to change the cats (because they are her cats not mine, i only owned a dog) from purina one to a premium food, and found merrick GF as it was something that i could present to her that was a solid food without being 60 bucks for the big bag, it’s only like 25 on chewy. and then she came home with the Hill’s from the vet because the cat has a UTI and the vet said she keeps getting them because she is over weight and put her on the hill’s prescription diet. and for the price we are paying for the hills prescription diet we could buy the 60 dollar a bag stuff(orijen). I have seen posters here say they have had their pets lose weight from high protein diets, so i was wondering if i could go that route instead of the hill’s route. But IDK, i just hate feeding the cat chicken byproducts and corn gluten meal as a way to make her lose weight. seems there could be a better alternative to what the vet suggested but IDK…

  • Cayce H. Cronk

    Good point crazy4cats! Will do that! Thanks

  • Kimi_Forever

    yeah and as far as cats go with the core, i particularly like the chicken formula the best (the original) as it seems to contain the most meat out of any of the formulas…But as others have stated it’s always good to have a variety of protein sources…I’ve also used the regular Merrick (chicken flavor) that Crazy4cats spoke of with good success, it’s a nice bang for your buck GF cat food IMO…glad you are on the right track!

  • Crazy4cats

    Just make sure to call the store ahead of time to make sure they really have it. I have used store locaters that were inaccurate before. You don’t want to waste a trip!

  • Cayce H. Cronk

    I feel good that I have almost found a few brands to rotate withy cats that don’t have recalls and they are good quality foods!

  • Cayce H. Cronk

    Kimi forever

    Thank you for the good review! Was a little worried! Always good to hear other peoples animals doing well on the same food.

  • LabsRawesome

    You’re Welcome! I would call the store to confirm they have what your looking for, before driving out. Good luck. :)

  • Cayce H. Cronk

    Crazy cats

    Thanks! Yeah since I am feeding them good brands of canned once a day they are eating less and less dry. The dry food seems to be lasting longer and the cats seem satisfied and healthier. I am worried that’s male cat may be loosing too much weight though! Wandering if adding in a blend with a good grain like rice would give him more calories. He was pretty chunky and then lost the weight fast but don’t want him too loose toouch more. I found a place to buy earth born thanks to labs so that will be the next brand in my rotation!

  • Cayce H. Cronk

    Thank you labs! I think I may have found one place that carries it that is not too far! Thanks a million!

  • LabsRawesome

    Here’s Earthborn’s site. You can find out where it’s sold in your area here. http://www.earthbornholisticpetfood.com/us/where_to_buy/retail_stores.php

  • Kimi_Forever

    crazy4cats,

    May i ask why the Merrick weight mgmt? Do you have an over weight cat? If you do is that a food you’d suggest to help them lose weight? We just had a cat go to the vet and get put on hill’s metabolic advanced weight soloution (http://www.chewy.com/cat/hills-prescription-diet-feline/dp/54590 ) and i was kind of upset when my mom came home with it as i think the food is overpriced garbage and wont help her take any weight off…I am not knowledgeable about how to take weight off an animal however, but everywhere i’ve read about that hill’s product the cats dont really lose weight. I was wondering if there was a better option then the hill’s. If you are not sure thats totally fine! Just figured i might as well ask to see if you ever dealt with the problem of an overweight cat and how you got it off them since i saw you post about a weight mgt formula…

  • Crazy4cats

    Hi Cayce-
    Yes, I am using the Wellness grain free core with turkey and duck right now. The flavor with chicken is great too, it’s just that the other kibble I feed them have chicken, so I like to have one without. Again, I mostly feed canned, so they don’t eat much dry, allowing me to buy a more expensive brand now and then. I wouldn’t worry about a few bad reviews as every product gets some. I think people are more apt to give a bad review when unsatisfied than a good one when happy with a purchase. I have used Earthborn, Taste of the Wild, and Premium Edge with no problem as well. I plan on Merrick weight mgmt next. Good luck.

  • Kimi_Forever

    I cant Speak for crazy4cats, nor everyone’s experience….But i have fed Wellness Core in the past on occasion to my last dog with no problems and have also just recently picked up the feline version for my cats and both did well on it…I also plan on using it for my next dog as well…I think the Core is a pretty solid food, and from the research i’ve done gets mostly positive reviews and feedback. I would feel good about choosing and feeding that food if i were you.

  • Cayce H. Cronk

    Crazy cat,

    About the wellness food! They only had the varieties with chicken so I may have to buy elsewhere than tractor supply of I wanna get the other blends. Was lost as to which to try so I picked up the core grain free chicken flavor! A little nervous though because I have seen some negative reviews on the grain free wellness! Not many other choices but if I get a coupon I will be able to buy the second bag with it. Which wellness blend do you use? Do you do the grain free with that brand? Am looking for earth born to see if it will be convenient for me to feed!

  • Cayce H. Cronk

    Labsrawesome

    I was out of food and in a hurry yesterday so I picked up a small bag of grain free core by wellness! They only had the chicken varieties of wellness. They were eating it today when I left for work so they do like it but it was expensive! Will consider taste of the wild if I can’t find earth born.

  • Cayce H. Cronk

    Bcnut

    Thanks! I was determined to follow through with it!

  • Cayce H. Cronk

    You are welcome! So relieved it’s done!

  • theBCnut

    YAY!! Good for you! She will have a better chance at good health by not having to have puppies twice a year. And she’ll need less food to stay healthy too.

  • Crazy4cats

    That is great. I wanted to ask, but was afraid to. Thanks for the update.

  • Cayce H. Cronk

    I know this is probably not the right place to post this just wanted to update everyone who was following my story about the mom and pups! The mama dog was spayed successfully yesterday! She did well and it was perfect timing because they said that she was in heat again! Thank god it was done before another pregnancy occurred! So glad I pushes my mom into doing this although I had to take her myself and pay for everything! Actually debating whether to bring the home to live with me! Just don’t know! She seems friendly with cats and is a sweet loving dog! Also got her microchipped!

  • LabsRawesome

    Hey Cayce, my 3 love TOTW cat, it is made by Diamond tho. I’ve never tried Wellness cat. Did you try Earthborn’s site for a store locator?

  • Crazy4cats

    Cayce-
    Two thumbs up for Wellness Core from me. I like the Duck and Turkey variety. It does not have any chicken or fish in it. If you go to their website, you can get a coupon. They are pretty generous with them, which is good, because it is very expensive in my opinion. But, my cats don’t really eat that much kibble so I’ll get it about every third bag or so with a coupon. I also like Taste of the Wild and it is a little less expensive, however, it is made by Diamond. We have not been as affected by the recalls in our area, so now and then I will buy it for the cats. I think I am going to try the Merrick Healthy Weight next. As picky as cats are, I’ve had much better luck with diet rotation with them than my dogs! Nice to hear from you. Good luck.

  • Cayce H. Cronk

    Was wandering what to use next! My cats went through two small bags of the 4 health grain free and it was a hit. Ready to move to something else. I cannot find earth born cat food anywhere that is convenient. Tractor supply carries it for the dogs but not the cats. I know wellness is high but I think I may try it! Just one small bag! If I can’t find earth born is wellness another good option! Any recalls on it? They have taste of the wild as we’ll! What do you guys think? Disappointed that tractor supply does not carry earth born for cats!

  • Michele

    Currently feeding Victor Ultra Pro 4/22 but still can’t seem to keep weight on my 56lb 3yo female weim. thought the 22 would be more then enough. any suggestions?

  • LabsRawesome

    Actually it’s Hero Canine, I said dog before. I don’t think it will raise the price, it’s just a new bag design. :)

  • Crazy4cats

    Ok, found it. Looks like there is only one that is being renamed. I hope it doesn’t go up anymore in price!

  • LabsRawesome

    Go to this site. http://www.victordogfood.com/

    Scroll down a little to the GF Ultra Pro. Right beside that is the Victor product guide, click on that, it goes to full screen. Then move your cursor to the middle of the screen, you will see a play/pause button. :)

  • Crazy4cats

    Hmmm, that link is not working for me. It locks up my computer. I went to the website and I don’t see anything new. Hero Dog would be good though. Easier to say than the grain free joint health one. I tried Victor dog food site and the midamerica site?

  • LabsRawesome

    Hey C4C, Victor Grain Free formulas have new packaging. There’s pictures on the bags now. And the one you use is now called Hero Dog. http://www.midamericapetfood.com/PRODUCT-SLIDER-BOOK/ if you move your cursor to the middle of the page, there is a play/pause button. :)

  • LabsRawesome

    Yeah the cat food doesn’t have the clay. Hopefully they will add it in the future. It would be nice if Victor would add more formulas of cat food as well, with some grain free ones. Glad you were able to use up the cat food and it didn’t go to waste. :)

  • Crazy4cats

    Hi Labs-
    So I mixed the unwanted cat food into my dog’s food. The ingredients are similar. So far so good. No digestive upsets and no wasted food! One thing I noticed though is that there is not clay in the cat food. I am kind of surprised. I kind of thought that was Victor’ “thing.” Anyway, good idea.

  • LabsRawesome

    Hey Cayce, My store has only one size bag of Victor Cat listed in their computer. It’s the large 14lb bag. You should email (or call) Victor and ask for a free sample to try. :)

  • Crazy4cats

    That is great. Yes, they can be VERY picky. Mine also gobble down friskies and turn their nose up at Merrick. Oh well, we do the best we can. I might also try the 4 health dry. We do not have the canned in our area. Mine, unfortunately, have been turning their noses up at their Victor :( I’ve been slowly mixing in, but it is usually left in their bowls. First dry food that they have not taken to. Wellness Core is expensive, but they do have coupons available on their site. I only buy a small bag now and then with a coupon as I like the Turkey and Duck flavor. It does not have any chicken or fish in it. It gives them an occasional break from those ingredients. Glad to hear you are having success with your kitties!

  • Cayce H. Cronk

    Crazy4cats,

    So far my male cat has lost weight since the food changes…even switching to just canned once a day. He has become like a kitten agaiin and not laying around all day. So far they will eat almost any dry food but are extremely picky with there canned food. Cats can be frustrating to feed. Good luck with finding a food they like. So far I like the grain free 4 health but will see how they do while on it. They will not touch the grain free 4 health canned and fuss with the better brands of canned but will of course devour the canned fancy feast that they get twice a week.

  • Cayce H. Cronk

    Labs,

    Yeah the wellness is high and if I gave them any it would be a small bag here and there as almost a treat. Next up will be victors I think. Will call them when the second small bag of 4 health is half eaten. I wander if they carry the small bags of victor for cats just to try out. Wish they liked the 4 health canned. It’s such an affordable food. Maybe will try the second can again tomorrow.

  • LabsRawesome

    Cayce, I’m glad your cats like the dry. Too bad they don’t like the canned, it’s such a good price. TSC will take the cans back, if you’d like to return them. If you get Earthborn, try Primitive Natural, my 3 wouldn’t eat Coastal Catch at all. :)

  • Crazy4cats

    I paid $22.99 for the cat food. It looks like the dog food is going up in price now too. I wish more stores in my area would carry it. Maybe that would drive the price down a little. Yes, mine like EB also. Just looking for a decent lower calorie kibble.

  • Crazy4cats

    Hey! That is a great idea. I was thinking that I might give up and throw it away. I’ll just mix it in with the boys’. Thanks.

  • LabsRawesome

    Sometimes they can be little stinkers. My 3 would not touch Earthborn Coastal Catch, But they love EB Primitive Natural. That stinks that your cats don’t like Victors. How much did you pay for it? My store sells it for $19.99 for 15lbs. Mine are on GF 4health right now. Next up is EB, and then Victor. :)

  • Crazy4cats

    Unfortunately, two of my cats take after me and do not self regulate very well! They are indoor only and do not get a lot of exercise, except running from the dogs! I have no idea how many calories that is. I might try it next. They are not taking to the Victor for some reason. I’m thinking maybe because it has beef and they are not used to it. Darn cats!

  • LabsRawesome

    Hey C4C, yeah it’s 3,690 kilocalories per kilogram. It also states that a 5lb cat should get 1/2 cup, a 10lb cat is 3/4 cup, and a 15lb cat is 1 cup. For my 3 I just free feed kibble, and they get canned in the morning. Mine are good at self regulating, no one is overweight. :)

  • Crazy4cats

    Hi Labs-
    Do they give the calorie count on the 4health grain free cat food on the bag? We do have a feed store that carries the dry 4 health brand, but not the cans. :(

  • Cayce H. Cronk

    Labs,

    Thank you so much! That is such a relief to know that it’s not diamond who makes there food. Definitely wanna try to avoid them if I can. Cats are loving the grain free 4 health dry but wouldn’t touch the 4 health canned. It set out all day but not one bite was eaten. They are devouring the dry though! Will buy a second small bag and then switch over to wellness or earth born next.

  • Cayce H. Cronk

    Bcnut,

    Thanks for looking out for us! I appreciate the information you share! So glad it’s not the 4 health grain free that is made by diamond. I guess we need to keep a close watch on it though if it changes.

  • LabsRawesome

    Hey Cayce, I called Ainsworth and they confirmed that yes, they do manufacture Grain Free 4health cat food. Just a heads up, Taste Of The Wild, is made by Diamond.

  • Cayce H. Cronk

    Labsraweaome,

    Thanks for calling and checking around! I started giving the 4 health yesterday! We will see how they like it. I gave them some 4 health canned today and they are picking over it. I was pleasantly surprised that my tractor supply carries a lot of good brands of dog and cat food. Taste of the wild, earth born, wellness, etc.

  • theBCnut

    I’m having a ridiculous time posting to this thread lately. Diamond definitely makes the grain inclusive 4Health cat food, but Ainsworth definitely makes the grain free, so far. I lost track of which ones we were talking about because suddenly everyong was just calling it 4Health.

  • LabsRawesome

    Update, I just got off the phone with my local TSC store. They looked on their computer and came up with Ainsworth as the manufacturer for GF 4health cat. I will call Ainsworth tomorrow to confirm.

  • LabsRawesome

    Hey Patty, I checked your link. It says that Diamond makes 4health all life stages cat food. That’s the grain inclusive one, not the grain free 4health. I will check tomorrow to see who makes the GF 4health cat.

  • LabsRawesome

    Cayce, I just followed Patty’s link. It says that Diamond makes 4health all life stages dry. That is not the grain free 4health. I will call around tomorrow to see who makes the GF4health cat food.

  • Cayce H. Cronk

    Not good!

  • Cayce H. Cronk

    Betsy,

    I thought it was aims worth who made the 4 health?! That’s not good! I already opened the bag and started mixing it with there old food. It is one of the few without a recall! Good thing I got a small bag.

  • theBCnut
  • Betsy Greer

    I hate to throw this out there when you’re on your way to get it today…, but I didn’t know if you saw the recent conversation about who makes what and the fact that Diamond actually makes the two newest varieties of 4Health grain free for dogs (as opposed to Ainsworth, who makes the others.

    Does Diamond make the 4Health for cats?

  • Cayce H. Cronk

    Finally going today to pick up some 4 health! Now that the old cat food is almost eaten. So far the cats are taking well to the canned. They look forward to it! Still like there dry too though! Will buy a small bag of 4 health to try and if they like it I will get a bigger bag then switch out after that! Pretty sure I will try victors next then wellness or earth born! Will let y’all know how they like it

  • LabsRawesome

    Hey Cayce, I totally agree with you. I would never pay that much either. That’s why I said I laugh at foods that are outrageously expensive. Some people feel that if they’re paying $30 for a tiny bag, the food must really be something special, & that is not always the case.

  • theBCnut

    I order them from Hare Today.

  • Cayce H. Cronk

    Thebcut,

    Where can you get whole carcasses already ground? I tried to give my cats ground chicken, etc and they run from it. They are old and set in there ways! They were loving the canned at first now in the past two days they are refusing to eat it. Very frustrating!

  • theBCnut

    I have 3 cats. One won’t even sniff at anything but dry food. The other 2 will eat a little raw. I only buy them whole carcass grinds, quail and rabbit. They have the hair, feathers, everything in them. I can’t get them to eat more than about 1 oz of raw, so I also feed them canned and they get a little dry at night. I don’t give raw fish, only because too much fish isn’t good for cats and too many other foods for cats have fish in them.

  • Cayce H. Cronk

    theBcnut,

    Do you have kitties? Do you feed them all raw? I try to give my cats raw eggs twice a week. What else is easy to give raw to cats? Sardines,etc?!

  • Cayce H. Cronk

    Labs,

    Yeah….I guess if you can afford it no problem but I know for me my family has to come first. As much as I love my animals I have to make sure my kids eat organic and get the best that I can give. Just being here should show that we at least care for our animals and love them. I think there is always a balance in things. I really don’t think I could with good conscious pay that much for cat food and feel good about it. Victors is a great food for the price and so are a lot of other brands. Yeah…in perfect world I would have time to feed raw but it’s not realistic for me. We all do the best we can!

  • Cayce H. Cronk

    Crazy4 cats,

    Yeah…we are almost broke trying to just buy and eat organic for our family of four but we do get by and do eat well so I at least gotta do better for my cats. I have learned so much and when we get a new kitty at some point I can start off knowing what I know now. Somehow my cats have done fairly well. Maybe it was the instinctive hunting that kept them well. They are getting old and lazy so I’ve got to up my game now. The power of awareness is awesome and keeping tabs on recalls and staying ahead of the game. Even finding descent food for humans is a big job these days. For us….recalls happen, food contamination happens.

  • Crazy4cats

    Learning early in the game!

  • Crazy4cats

    You go! You will feel so much better when you finally just do it! Lol! And once again, Labs is right. Do not feel bad about feeding budget food. It’s better than what you were feeding. I feed all budget kibble and canned unless I have a coupon. I’m just happy that I am actually aware of what I am feeding now. Not just looking at the picture and advertising on the bag and TV. This site and the regulars have taught me how to read the ingredients and guaranteed analysis labels. I still am not feeding the “best” but am feeding better. And more importantly, rotating proteins and binders. It seems so obvious that it is healthy now that I know. Lol! It only took 50 years. You are

  • theBCnut

    When I see cat kibble at those prices it makes me more determined to feed canned or raw.

  • LabsRawesome

    Yes, definitely about a thousand times better than Meow Mix (blah) There’s no reason to feel bad that you’re not buying Cat kibble that cost $30 for 4lbs. When I see cat kibble at those prices I seriously can’t help but lol. I mean we all have to stay within our budgets. And I feel good about the choices I’ve made for my kitties. :)

  • Cayce H. Cronk

    Labsrawesome,

    Good points too! I’m slowly learning how this works. I think rotating makes so much sense. Instead of getting overwhelmed I know I have to start somewhere. I truly can’t afford the high end brands all the time but 4 health and victors are affordable so that’s where I’m gonna start. It’s gotta be better than the meow mix I was giving them!lol you have been of such great help! Gonna go get some 4 health and start with that then when I’m close to running out maybe get my pet store to order some victors and then maybe switch up with wellness, Origen or earth born since my small pet supplier store carries those brands.

  • Crazy4cats

    Don’t feel bad, most of us on here have fed the same! And that is why cas make perfect pets. They don’t need quite as much attention as dogs. Also, just to be clear, I’m not against peas in the food. As labs said, that is why it’s good to rotate. Switch up their starches every now and then. Use one with peas, then rice or sweet potatoes. I feel bad I don’t let my cats go outside but we just have too many coyotes in our area. Good luck with your cats!

  • LabsRawesome

    Thanks, I love that pic. She was so tiny when I adopted her. :)

  • LabsRawesome

    Hey Cayce, thanks they are Thomas 6, Dakota 5, and Riley 4. Since Cats are obligate Carnivores, I don’t see how protein could cause a problem. I know that Victor has some grain in their cat food, but if you look at their website, they have a “Protein Source Card”. It tells what % of protein comes from meat, plant, and whole grain. 85% of the protein comes from meat poultry, & fish. 6% of the protein is plant & veggie, and 9% of the protein comes from whole grain. I don’t know of any other food that breaks down protein percentages like that. The reason for rotating is to give different protein sources. Victor uses Chicken, Beef, and Pork. Then I switch it up by using 4health GF next with Whitefish, Salmon, and Turkey, for the protein sources.

  • Cayce H. Cronk

    Crazy4cats,

    Well…to be honest I used to only give them meow mix and fancy feast canned occasionally. Just in the past year as I’ve learned more have I wanted to make a change. After my kids were born the kitties kind of had to take a back seat for a while. I feel I neglected them but they have done fairly well. I think not over vaccinating them and letting them go outdoors some has kept them in good health. They used to hunt for prey when they were younger. My female has issues with frequent urination from time to time but seems to be doing better since introducing canned once a day. Every time I think I’ve found a good food, I read a bad review, or recall and feel overwhelmed and yes….all the grain free formulas have peas as second or third ingredient. Very frustrating! Gotta start somewhere I guess! Thanks for your help! I want my cats to live out there last years being loved and fed well now!