Canidae Grain Free Pure (Dry)

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Rating: ★★★★★

Canidae Grain Free Pure Dog Food receives the Advisor’s top rating of 5 stars.

The Canidae Grain Free Pure product line includes five dry dog foods, four claimed to meet AAFCO nutrient profiles for adult maintenance and one for growth (puppies).

The following is a list of recipes available at the time of this review.

  • Canidae Grain Free Pure Sea
  • Canidae Grain Free Pure Sky
  • Canidae Grain Free Pure Elements
  • Canidae Grain Free Pure Land (4 stars)
  • Canidae Grain Free Pure Foundations (4.5 stars)

Canidae Grain Free Pure Elements was selected to represent the other products in the line for this review.

Canidae Grain Free Pure Elements

Dry Dog Food

Estimated Dry Matter Nutrient Content

Protein = 36% | Fat = 20% | Carbs = 36%

Ingredients: Lamb, turkey meal, chicken meal, sweet potatoes, chickpeas, peas, chicken fat, menhaden fish meal, potatoes, suncured alfalfa, natural flavor, minerals (iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite), vitamins (vitamin E supplement, thiamine mononitrate, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, niacin, calcium pantothenate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin, vitamin D3 supplement, folic acid), choline chloride, dried Enterococcus faecium fermentation product, dried Lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation product, dried Lactobacillus casei fermentation product, dried Lactobacillus plantarum fermentation product, dried Trichoderma longibrachiatum fermentation extract, mixed tocopherols (a natural source of vitamin E)

Fiber (estimated dry matter content) = 4.4%

Red items when present indicate controversial ingredients

Estimated Nutrient Content
MethodProteinFatCarbs
Guaranteed Analysis32%18%NA
Dry Matter Basis36%20%36%
Calorie Weighted Basis30%40%30%

The first ingredient in this dog food is lamb. Although it is a quality item, raw lamb contains about 80% water. After cooking, most of that moisture is lost, reducing the meat content to just a fraction of its original weight.

After processing, this item would probably account for a smaller part of the total content of the finished product.

The second ingredient is turkey meal. Turkey meal is considered a meat concentrate and contains nearly 300% more protein than fresh turkey.

The third ingredient is chicken meal, another protein-rich meat concentrate.

The fourth ingredient is sweet potato. Sweet potatoes are a gluten-free source of complex carbohydrates in a dog food. They are naturally rich in dietary fiber and beta carotene.

The fifth ingredient includes chickpeas, also known as garbanzo beans. Like peas, bean and lentils, the chickpea is a nutritious member of the fiber-rich legume (or pulse) family of vegetables.

However, chickpeas contain about 22% protein, a factor that must be considered when judging the actual meat content of this dog food.

The sixth ingredient includes peas. Peas are a quality source of carbohydrates. And like all legumes, they’re rich in natural fiber.

However, peas contain about 25% protein, a factor that must be considered when judging the meat content of this dog food.

The seventh ingredient is chicken fat. Chicken fat is obtained from rendering chicken, a process similar to making soup in which the fat itself is skimmed from the surface of the liquid.

Chicken fat is high in linoleic acid, an omega-6 fatty acid essential for life. Although it doesn’t sound very appetizing, chicken fat is actually a quality ingredient.

The eighth ingredient is menhaden fish meal, yet another high protein meat concentrate..

Menhaden are small ocean fish related to herring. They’re rich in protein and omega-3 fatty acids. What’s more, in their mid-depth habitat, menhaden are not exposed to mercury contamination as can be typical with deep water species.

Fish meal is typically obtained from the “clean, dried, ground tissue of undecomposed whole fish and fish cuttings” of commercial fish operations.1

The ninth ingredient is potato. Potatoes can be considered a gluten-free source of digestible carbohydrates. Yet with the exception of perhaps their caloric content, potatoes are of only modest nutritional value to a dog.

From here, the list goes on to include a number of other items.

But to be realistic, ingredients located this far down the list (other than nutritional supplements) are not likely to affect the overall rating of this product.

With three notable exceptions

First, we find suncured alfalfa. Although alfalfa is high in protein (18%) and fiber, it’s uncommon to see it used in a dog food. This hay-family ingredient is more commonly associated with horse feeds.

Next, we note the inclusion of dried fermentation products in this recipe. Fermentation products are typically added to provide enzymes to aid the animal with digestion.

And lastly, this food contains chelated minerals, minerals that have been chemically attached to protein. This makes them easier to absorb. Chelated minerals are usually found in better dog foods.

Canidae Grain Free Pure Dog Food
The Bottom Line

Judging by its ingredients alone, Canidae Grain Free Pure looks like an above-average dry product.

But ingredient quality by itself cannot tell the whole story. We still need to estimate the product’s meat content before determining a final rating.

The dashboard displays a dry matter protein reading of 36%, a fat level of 20% and estimated carbohydrates of about 36%.

As a group, the brand features an average protein content of 34% and a mean fat level of 18%. Together, these figures suggest a carbohydrate content of 41% for the overall product line.

And a fat-to-protein ratio of about 52%.

Above-average protein. Above-average fat. And below-average carbs when compared to a typical dry dog food.

When you consider the protein-boosting effect of the chickpeas, peas and alfalfa, this looks like the profile of a kibble containing a notable amount of meat.

Bottom line?

Canidae Grain Free Pure is a meat-based dry dog food using a notable amount of various named species as its main sources of animal protein, thus earning the brand 5 stars.

Enthusiastically recommended.

Please note certain recipes are sometimes given a higher or lower rating based upon our estimate of their total meat content and (when appropriate) their fat-to-protein ratios.

Those looking for a quality wet food from the same company may wish to visit our review of Canidae Grain Free Canned Dog Food.

Canidae Dog Food
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Notes and Updates

05/16/2015 Last Update

  1. Association of American Feed Control Officials
  • Crazy4dogs

    Yes, Dori, I absolutely believe it. Let me know what they say!

    Edit: I do a lot of organic gardening and have noticed more bumble bees than honey bees in my own garden.

  • luckofirish8

    I have a 2-year-old white boxer that has allergies (no surprise there) and often times has very loose stool. We have tried about 6 different foods varying in terms of overall quality with little to no success. The vet has put her on Science Diet Sensitive Stomach and Skin Formula for the time being, but says we can transition her off of it as soon as we wish. I was thinking of giving the Canidae Grain Free Canidae Grain Free Elements a try due to the limited ingredients, price and overall rating. Does anyone else have any other suggestions?

  • Dori

    I attended a Georgia Master Gardeners conference a few years back and that was a huge topic of conversation and there was a consensus that there was truth to it. I’ll be attending again this year mid September.

  • Dori

    There is definitely no need to be rude. I understand science quite well, thank you very much. GMO’s are sprayed heavily with herbicides and all sorts of other insect and disease controlling sprays. I choose not to feed those to my dogs or my family. If you wish to eat them and feed them to your dogs, please feel free. Just as I am allowed to make choices so are you. God Bless the USA and all other countries that allow us choices.

  • Crazy4dogs

    And that heavy pesticide spray is what many feel are killing the bees. :(

  • theBCnut

    There may be nothing wrong with the GMOs themselves, but the whole reason they went to GMOs is so they can spray them heavily with herbicides and there is something wrong with eating that.

  • Crazy4dogs

    How do you feel about Monsanto’s GMO Terminator seed or the Africanized bees we’ve “created”?

  • DogFoodie

    Maybe you need to start listening to some of them.

  • Archous

    There is NOTHING wrong with GMOs. Go back to school and go through your science courses again, jesus you people need to stop listening to other ignorant people on the internet.

  • Archous

    There is nothing wrong with GMO’s. That’s a scientific fact, unless of course, you are just one of those people who don’t understand science.

  • Mainer71

    The Pure and life stages formulas have probiotics added to the food already. It is sprayed on after it is cooked with the omega’s 3 and 6 as well as minerals and vitamins. At guaranteed levels – so no extra probiotics are needed.

  • Pitlove

    Yes, I added Kefir (Its like a milk very popular in the Jewish community), which has many strains of healthy bacteria in it, to his food when I first started reading about what a sensitive stomach really is. I did it for a few switches in brands, but now I don’t have to. I can just change his food and he has no problems. Typically its said that when switching proteins within the same line you don’t even need to blend the food anyway because the company usually formulates the protein, fat and fiber fairly similarly within one line. They just change the protein source/s. I personally would still add the Kefir just to introduce different microflora to his gut.

    I use Lifeway Kefir from Walmart. Its in the section with milk. Get the plain kind with no added sugar. No flavors at all.

  • erikjohnnn

    Thank you for your help! You’re saying adding probiotics to your dog’s food means he can switch foods with no problem? It would be nice to switch between the different lamb/duck/salmon flavors of the Canidae food, just to make it interesting for him. Do you recommend and specific brands of probiotics? Thanks again!

  • Pitlove

    Hi Erik- Really nothing to be concerned about. The first three ingredients in Candiae are whole meats and meat meals meaning that Canidae is a more meat rich food and dogs process and utilize protein from meat much more efficiently than protein from plants, which is why you had to feed MORE on RC and Nutro. Feeding less is a good thing. It means the food is more nutrient dense. Also means less waste because your dog is able to metabolize more of the ingredients.

    As for your boys sensitive stomach. Unless he has a medical condition like IBD, adding some probiotics to his food should help with his GI issues. Most dogs who are otherwise healthy end up developing a sensitive stomach from being fed the same food for too long. They stop producing a varied amount of healthy microflora (bacteria) in their stomachs that allow them to switch foods easily with no GI upset. Feeding a rotational diet usually solves this problem. I know it did for my dog. He used to get diaherra if I didn’t blend his food when I wanted to change him over to a new food. Now I can finish one bag and start another, even a different brand and protein, and his poo stays firm.

  • erikjohnnn

    Our black lab/great dane mix is about 14-15 months old and I think he’s just about finished growing, topping out at around 65 lbs. He’s never had weight issues, always lean, but he does have a sensitive stomach. We’ve been feeding him Nutro Natural Choice lamb & rice puppy food, but after a recent incident (he swallowed something, had a minor blockage which eventually passed through, but caused him to throw up a couple of times a day for a few days) we went to a vet (not our usual since we are away from home) who gave us Royal Canin Gastrointestinal food to eat for now. She also recommended that if he has a sensitive stomach, to consider just feeding him that daily as his usual food. She also recommended giving NO treats, though pieces of carrot are fine, which he loves. But 1. the special food is very expensive and is conveniently only available through a vet, and 2. it has terrible ingredients, which I know thanks to this site :)

    I did lots of research and this Canidae Grain Free food looks like a winner. My main concern is with how much to feed him. According to the feeding charts on the backs of each bag, we were feeding him 4 cups a day of the Nutro, and normal feeding of this Royal Canin food is 5 cups. But the Canidae says 2-3 cups? This food is a little pricey so I don’t mind using less of it, but I’m not sure if that will be enough for our doggy? Considering he’s never had any weight problems, should I consider feeding him some more each day, or just trust the bag and stick to the recommended portions?

  • Marie Flores

    Can my dog hypothyroidism have any of these foods?

    http://www.belmarrahealth.com/foods-to-eat-for-hypothyroidism/

  • Pamelahttps://help.disqus.com/

    We have 4 lab mixes from age 1 to 14 years old. We have tried multiple foods for them over the last 6 years. Usually they love the new food, then about a month later one or more will start skipping meals or I will find blobs of food thrown up in the grass. We started all of them on the Elements product with lamb about 6 months ago. Not once have I found any surprises in the yard, not once has anyone skipped a meal. My pickiest dog who could care less about food stands on his hind legs and jumps around for this food…every meal! My daughter was dog sitting and fed our food to her 2 dogs while she was here. When she got home her dogs would not eat her food. She had to go buy Elements. The food is more expensive than I wanted, but we follow the feeding guidelines and it ends up costing about the same as a much cheaper brand. The first week, the dogs stared at us because the quantity you feed is smaller than cheaper foods. After a week, no problems. We actually adjusted the quantity down to keep their weight stable. Great quality food!!!! Our dogs love it and look and feel great!!!!!!!!!!!

  • MIDGET

    Dori is correct and your situation is unique. There is always an exception to the rule and you are it.

  • Cargirl05

    And actually, dogs are really carnivorous leaning omnivores.

  • Cargirl05

    Actually, my foster dog came out of the shelter with HOD, an orthopedic disease caused by malnutrition, and his ortho specialist vet told us to mix some alfalfa in with his food every day to help him grow out of the condition, precisely because of the plant protein in it. But hey, if you know more than an orthopedic specialist veterinarian, you go right ahead and work with that.

  • jessica

    Try ‘Spring Naturals’ dog food, according to this website it has ‘near-average protein’ content so it is nowhere near as high as ‘Canidae’ dog food. Not to mention it’s really affordable if you buy from Chewy.com! Make sure to look it up on here to see if it’s what you’re looking for !

  • foss77

    Thanks for the advice and links! Yes, I realize now after a lot of time and effort that lower protein foods will rate lower on this site. Wish I had known that before! :-)

  • foss77

    You are correct, they don’t have a senior variety, what I bought must have been the Pure Meadows formula. I do know that it was a Pure and not a life stages formula.

  • Crazy4dogs

    I would pick Now over TOTW, too many production issues with TOTW. Good luck with your dog!

  • foss77

    I think I have settled on Now by Petcurean to try next but will keep Taste of the Wild in mind if Now doesn’t work for him. Now has about the same amount of protein as TOTW, a senior formula, and overwhelmingly good reviews. I really appreciate the input as this has been a stressful, frustrating journey!

  • dendawg14

    My Chessie had trouble with high protein Canidae and we switched her to Taste of the wild with Bison and she is doing great now. It worked for us.

  • Crazy4dogs

    I don’t think Canidae pure has a senior. Did you mean Canidae Platinum? That’s only 20% protein and about as low as you can go.

  • Bobby dog

    Hi foss77:
    Foods rated 4.5 – 5 stars will always be high in protein due to how this site rates foods:
    http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/frequently-asked-questions/rate-dog-food/

    I suggest looking at foods rated in those categories then see if they make a senior or weight loss recipe; some senior foods have lower protein. Or, there might also be recipes included in the review that rate lower due to low protein content.

    For even more of a selection expand your search criteria to include 3 and 4 star foods. Good luck!

  • foss77

    Thanks for the suggestion, I’ll keep it in mind as I continue to research different foods!

  • Ritzibitzi

    Maybe taste of the wild.

  • foss77

    Can anyone recommend to me a 4.5 or 5 star rated food that is not high in protein, please? I have read so many reviews and comments on this site trying to find a highly rated food to switch my dog to and almost every single one that I have seen is a high(er) protein food. Not all dogs can handle high protein foods, my dog is one of them and I have been racking my brain trying to find him a highly rated food that will not cause digestive issues for him. He also had slightly higher than normal protein levels in a recent urinalysis, which may or may not have been caused by the high protein food I had him on (hopefully switching him back to his old food for a period of time and then more lab work will answer that question) I bought a bag of Canidae Pure Senior b/c it has slightly lower levels of protein than the other food I tried but I still think it is too much for him and will not be buying any more high protein foods. I need some suggestions. Certainly there have to be some recommended foods on this site that are great quality but do not have high protein levels? Also, he will be 7 next month and needs to drop some pounds so a brand that offers a senior and/or healthy weight formula would be ideal! Thanks in advance for any suggestions!

  • Dori

    A horse is a herbivore. Quite different than dogs. Dogs are not herbivores. It has been pretty well acknowledged that dogs are what is known as scavenger carnivores. A number of dogs are intolerant to alfalfa. Most, if not all alfalfa, is non gmo. I’m not clear why you are comparing horses with dogs.

  • Stephanie Tadajewski

    I recently started my dog on this kibble and I am rather happy to see it contains alfalfa. Alfalfa is used by equestrians as a large source of protein for horses, it’s easily digestible and contains lots of vitamins not found in other grasses. It’s primarily used for young growing horses, horses that are training, or need an energy boost. The fiber content would also be beneficial to dogs in aiding digestion.

  • Tracey South

    I was going to ask about what you mentioned RE the iodine. I wondered if maybe the millet consuming places happened to also be areas that do not have iodine in diet. But as far as the millet goes, I will be telling a relative about his since she is hypothyroid.. Maybe she knows this but just in case.

  • chiapink

    Yeah! now if they would just take out the crappy GMO product……………..ALFALFA!

  • Shawna

    The ones Dori is discussing don’t actually heat the water. They use an ultrasonic pulse to diffuse the oil. There is supposedly no degradation of the essential oil (in addition to the three from Aura Acacia, we have four of the ultrasonic kind). They likely aren’t as therapeutic as the oil only diffusers but that’s not always a bad thing.

  • el doctor

    Hi Dori

    The ones I linked to don’t add anything to the oils. This is from their website;

    “Cold Diffusion™ technology preserves the natural essence and complete
    therapeutic benefits of essential oils by effectively transforming them
    into a micro fine vapor without the use of heat or water. These micro
    particles permeate the air and may remain suspended for hours, fully
    intact, with all of their NATURAL defenses against airborne Viruses,
    Bacteria, Mold, Pests and Odors. Other common uses are for Respiratory
    Therapy, Mood Enhancement, Relaxation and Wellbeing, Air Purification
    and more”

  • Dori

    Thx el doctor. I presently have a large one from Young Living, one H2EO, a quooz. I’ll look into the ones you have as I’m not completely thrilled with the ones I have. I keep thinking that with so many people diffusing EO’s there’s got to be something better out there. I diffuse everyday so I’m constantly having to add water and more oils. I like the cold water diffusers to diffuse oils closer to my dogs. Thx again for adding the web site.

  • Shawna

    Aura Cacia used to make/sell ones like the “very quiet” one. I still have three of them (two smaller room size ones and one larger) — pretty quiet. I just found it a hassle to change out the oils. Work really great though.

    Edit — here’s what they look like (only all are gray) https://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view;_ylt=AwrB8pbpFTNVDmIAGGw2nIlQ;_ylu=X3oDMTIzMmxibWk5BHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDaW1nBG9pZAMwMzc4ODg0MWYwMTNhZTZlOGZhNDk4ZmRlOTYxNmM0MwRncG9zAzkzBGl0A2Jpbmc-?.origin=&back=https%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fyhs%2Fsearch%3Fp%3Daura%2Bcacia%2Boil%2Bdiffuser%26n%3D60%26ei%3DUTF-8%26type%3Dmdntd2_0222%26fr%3Dyhs-iry-fullyhosted_003%26fr2%3Dsb-top-images.search.yahoo.com%26hsimp%3Dyhs-fullyhosted_003%26hspart%3Diry%26nost%3D1%26tab%3Dorganic%26ri%3D93&w=640&h=480&imgurl=www.momentum98.com%2Faua993.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fsengnduwengamuk.blogspot.com%2F2011%2F03%2Fdiffusers-for-essential-oils.html&size=23.1KB&name=Essential+%3Cb%3EOils%3C%2Fb%3E+%3Cb%3EDiffuser%3C%2Fb%3E+%3Cb%3EAura%3C%2Fb%3E+%3Cb%3ECacia%3C%2Fb%3E+pure+botanical+essence+Personal&p=aura+cacia+oil+diffuser&oid=03788841f013ae6e8fa498fde9616c43&fr2=sb-top-images.search.yahoo.com&fr=yhs-iry-fullyhosted_003&tt=Essential+%3Cb%3EOils%3C%2Fb%3E+%3Cb%3EDiffuser%3C%2Fb%3E+%3Cb%3EAura%3C%2Fb%3E+%3Cb%3ECacia%3C%2Fb%3E+pure+botanical+essence+Personal&b=61&ni=96&no=93&ts=&tab=organic&sigr=12d8sqvk8&sigb=16vguguqg&sigi=10tcqr66q&sigt=12umo93q1&sign=12umo93q1&.crumb=REAWe58wNsZ&fr=yhs-iry-fullyhosted_003&fr2=sb-top-images.search.yahoo.com&hsimp=yhs-fullyhosted_003&hspart=iry&type=mdntd2_0222

  • el doctor
  • losul

    gnight Dori!

  • Shawna

    I have four small ones — one for each major room in the house. One is from Young Living and the other three are from a local health food store. They use an electronic pulse (I think it is) instead of heat so they don’t damage the oils at all. Filling with water lasts about four or five hours per unit. I don’t run them daily as I’m not here — mostly just on the weekends.
    Heading to bed. :)

  • Dori

    Night losul.

  • Dori

    Night Shawna.

  • losul

    U2!

  • Shawna

    I’ve never seen, let alone tried, garlic or onion sprouts.. I do have garlic growing wild in my back yard though. :)

    It’s 12:30 here and I’m attending a class in the morning called “All About Allergies”. Better get my brain to bed or I won’t have anything to work with for the class. :)

    Have a great night!!

  • Dori

    Yep, I diffuse daily in the rooms we use the most. I’m always on the search for bigger and better cold air diffusers. I know that Dr Shelton really likes the H2OEO but the water tank is so small that I’m constantly having to add water to it. I’m not all that crazy about the others I have either but for various different reasons. My search continues. I did see some fabulous ones on a site but they range from 300 on up. I need that money for their food and her supplements. And surprising as this sounds, hubby seems to think we need some food in the house for us also. Silly silly man.

    The other two Drs I’ve gotten help from are Will Falconer and Marty Goldstein. I love those guys. Oh, also Dee Blanco.

  • losul

    Turbo and the birds get way more of them than we do!

    I’ve got garlic and onion too but expensive and don’t like them. wouldn’t buy them again.

  • losul

    I can’t remember for sure, maybe from amazon. The broccoli and alfalfa seeds are Todd’s seeds. Handy pantry on the clover. Sproutpeople also has a whole lot.

  • Shawna

    I REALLY need to step up my game in this department. The only sprouts I have were grown in a warehouse (I assume) and purchased ready to eat at the store. :)

  • Dori

    Very cool losul, where did you order them from? I’d like to look into sprouting broccoli and other crucifers if I can.

  • losul

    good to hear about broccoli sprouts!

    [img]http://s9.postimg.org/jv1gn79of/P4170689.jpg[/img][/url]

  • Shawna

    I had no idea you were working with Dr. Shelton? You are such a WONDERFUL and DEVOTED puppy parent Dori.. If I were a puppy, I would want you as my mommy!!!!!!!!

    I am LOVING the EO’s I’ve started using — for pups and myself. I also diffuse them in the air. I have an espresso machine that has a holding tank for used grounds. If I let the grounds sit in the holding tank for more than a couple days (it holds a weeks worth) they would get moldy. Since diffusing therapeutic / pharmaceutical grade EO’s, my coffee grounds are NEVER moldy (even when leaving them a whole week). The EO’s are obviously cleaning the air of nasties.

    Let me know how it goes with the paste and the new EO’s.

  • Dori

    Thanks so much Shawna. Under the circumstances I think your correct in that possibly Hannah is the better judge as to what she needs. I’m going to make the decision that for her, she needs raw. As to the hypothyroid, she’s been on Soloxine for years twice a day 1/2 tablet and that has kept her thyroid levels right in the middle of normal. I’m much more concerned wiith her bladder and lung cancers than I am in rocking the boat with her thyroid issue. I’ve been discussing her conditions with Melissa Shelton and have added some different SP supplements along with the others she’s already been on. I’ve also added more EO’s to the arsenal. She remains on only commercial raw foods and fruits and veggies. Nothing processed whatsoever. Odd as this may seem, Hannah gets healthier and happier with every week that goes by. I’m going to next week I think try the turmeric/curcumin golden paste and see how that goes. I’ve been adding the turmeric, coconut oil and black pepper to her meals twice a day but I’ve been reading on TUG that it may be more beneficial as a paste. There’s some debate on that though on research I’ve done as to whether it really makes any difference as paste or raw. On the supplements Melissa suggested that I start rotating the SP supplements to maybe three different ones a week then switch and add as needed but to concentrate always on her main issues. It’s important to supplement for her other issues (arthritis and cognitive functions) but treat the main issues always. She felt that she would get better utilization of 3 or 4 supplements at a time than so many constantly and then to just rotate and play around with them always keeping track of her reactions. Oh, I’m also starting her on her Aroma Boost Oil series as soon as it arrives. Thx for keeping track of Hannah for me Shawna, great catch about steamed vs raw veggies for her. I steamed her broccoli tonight which she ate but with not as much gusto as the raw.

  • Crazy4cats

    No, I didn’t know that seafood based foods were also linked to kidney disease, just hyperthyroidism. Thanks, I think? Lol! I feed very limited canned food with fish due to one of them already being on meds for her thyroid. It’s too bad that so much canned cat food does contain fish. Most cat owners think they are feeding their cats a real special treat when they are feeding it. I know I used to anyway. BTW, That is one of my favorite websites.

  • Shawna

    Okay Dori, I’m going to throw a wrench in this discussion about Hannah and raw / cooked broccoli. Sorry :)

    I was re-reading the posts from earlier today and when I read your words that Hannah prefers raw it made me stop in my tracks — broccoli (and other crucifers) are known to fight cancer as they are anti-angiogenic (reminder — damage the blood vessels that feed tumors). So I wondered — is raw or cooked broccoli a better anti-angiogenic food. Turns out raw is (if this one site is correct). “The phytonutrient sulforaphane, found in broccoli, has been associated with lowering breast cancer risk as well as improving survival rates (see also here, here). Phytonutrients in broccoli may also decrease the metastatic potential of lung cancer. The phytonutrients in raw broccoli may help bladder cancer survival. Sulforaphane is more readily available in raw broccoli. Sulforaphane is also the most powerful natural inducer of our liver’s detoxifying enzyme system. Growing your own broccoli sprouts is probably the most nutrition you can get for your money.” http://nutritionfacts.org/topics/phytonutrients/

    Maybe Hannah knows what she needs most right now? You could let her have the raw if you cut out (or maybe down) on other goitrogenic foods and / or give broccoli raw sometimes and cooked other times. The data from just one site may be incorrect as well and warrants further digging. I can help if you’d like.

    I didn’t want to confuse the issue even more but, under the circumstances, I do think this might be important to think about.

  • losul

    I never realized that about millet! Your right, whodathunk! I even use millet sometimes in making turbo’s food. And we eat it ourselves sometimes. Good research C4C, definitely something to keep in mind and good info everyone!!!

  • Shawna

    Have you guys heard that they now have discovered that seafood based foods can actually cause kidney disease in cats (and guessing dogs too).

    Dr. Jean Hofve has the reason why on her website Little Big Cat. She writes “Another recently revealed risk factor is fish and other seafood in the diet. Recent research (2013) revealed that a substance called domoic acid, a very stable, heat resistant toxin produced by certain species of algae that accumulates in mussels, clams, scallops, and fish, can cause serious kidney damage at levels 100 times lower than what the FDA allows in seafood. This means that not only can a legal level of domoic acid in any seafood harm the kidneys, but your cat may also be eating fish that are condemned for human consumption due to excessive domoic acid, which may be processed into pet food. Based on this new research, we must recommend avoiding fish and seafood as major ingredients in your cat’s diet at any age. However, the small amount of fish meal used as flavoring or as a source of Omega-3 fatty acids in many cat foods is probably safe, as long as it is not preserved with ethoxyquin, a synthetic preservative.)” http://www.littlebigcat.com/health/kidney-disease-in-older-cats/

  • Shawna

    Leave it to Hannah to be your little rebel!!! :)

  • Crazy4cats

    Good stuff! Thank you :)

  • Dori

    Interesting article Shawna. Thx. Though I will continue to give the girls arrugala and broccoli along with all their other veggies I will make sure to steam them from now on. It figures that Hannah would prefer her veggies raw as she’s the one that’s hypothyroid. She’ll eat them steamed but she prefers raw.

  • Shawna

    Hey C4C,

    I found one group of foods that CAN actually cause hypothyroid even without an iodine deficiency.

    “Goitrin is the most powerful plant goitrogen. Unlike most other goitrogens, this chemical can cause goiter even if there is plenty of iodine in the diet.

    Goitrin weakens the activity of the enzyme thyroid peroxidase, which is required to insert iodine into thyroid hormone.

    Foods containing goitrin:

    Seeds of Cruciferous Vegetables

    Rutabaga (aka Swede, Yellow Turnip)” http://www.diagnosisdiet.com/foods-and-hypothyroidism/

    The above linked website also lists sweet potato, as well as crucifers, as a food to watch if the diet is low in iodine or iodine is not being absorbed.

    Thank goodness for rotational feeding!!!! :)

  • Shawna

    My understanding is that it doesn’t actually cause it but worsens if already has.

    I was iodine deficient for YEARS and hypothyroid because of it. Iodine supplements reversed my hypothyroid symptoms but I was always on iodine. Turns out the iodine deficiency was caused by dairy. The casein protein/s in dairy (as well as the lectin proteins in corn, gluten and soy) can damage the little hairs (called villi) that absorb the nutrients we consume. If you’re not absorbing the nutrients, no matter how healthy your diet and intake is, you will eventually become deficient.

    Cooking does help break down goitrogens by the way. Quoted data from an M.D. “So I suggest that we all use a little common sense when it comes to
    goitrogens and our thyroids — steam, cook, or ferment your vegetables to
    reduce the goitrogenic compounds, rotate your choices so that you’re
    not eating the same foods every day, and above all,enjoy them as part of
    a richly varied diet of wholesome foods.” https://www.womentowomen.com/thyroid-health/goitrogens-and-thyroid-health-the-good-news/ I’ve seen this same data on multiple, and in my opinion credible, websites.

  • Crazy4cats

    Wow! Who’d have thunk? After a little research, millet is definitely something to avoid if you have hypothyroidism. Along with cruciferous veggies and a few other foods that contain goitogens. Apparently they interfere with the body’s ability to intake iodine. Which like you mentioned above can contribute to a goiter or hypothyroidism. What is not totally clear to me is whether it can actually cause it or if it is something to avoid only if you have it. Either way, I think I’d want to limit its intake. Another good reason to feed on a rotational basis. Good info LadyBug!

  • Crazy4cats

    Yes, it is believed that too much iodine found in many fish based canned cat foods is one of the contributors to the high incidence of hyperthyroidism in cats.

  • LadyBug

    Yeah, I kind of found out about the millet by accident, stumbled upon the info but when I checked into it I decided to add it to the list of undesirable ingredients. With thyroid being such a common problem in dogs – you gotta wonder. If it can mess up a normal dog, I bet one with a genetic predisposition would really tank out on millet. You gotta watch Brocolli too. It has anticancer properties, so I do give it to my dogs sometimes but I cook it, give small amounts only and give them rest periods when they don’t get any.
    Ah, so much to worry about and as I say, I am picky. I love my dogs like kids and want them with me a long, long time. I do give my dogs a little Kelp for iodine, but it is true, you need to be careful because sure enough, iodine overdose can be as bad or worse than not enough.
    The longer I have dogs, the more I like a simple, clean diet with carefully chosen supplements in small amounts like fish oil, kelp, sardine once in awhile. I think different breeds do well on different foods too, even differences in household. I have known people who have dogs in great shape on programs that would really mess mine up and vise versa. Certainly no one size fits all when it comes to food!

  • losul

    I didn’t know that about millet, thanks. I wonder if it’s something due to Iodine deficiency. I believe iodine deficiency can lead to goiter, and then I also found that strangely, to much iodine can also end up leading to it.

    Flax I definitely don’t like in dog foods to any excess, not crazy about rosemary or sage either.

  • LadyBug

    Millet has good things about it – nutritious and easy to digest, but I don’t like it in a daily diet because it can, and does suppress thyroid if fed over time. In countries where millet is a staple in the human diet, goiter is common. I’d just as soon avoid it. Rice, oats and barley my dogs have never had any problems with in 35+ years of dogs, just my personal experience and that is why I don’t worry about that so much although I do know some dogs cannot tolerate them.
    I am well aware of what goes on with fish meals and probably a lot of ingredients when the truth is known and that is why my dogs get a lot of homemade food. I do worry about calcium/phosphorus ratios though when making my own foods and so wanted to find a decent kibble to supplement with and use when traveling too.
    I scrutinize the labels, but the final proof is in how the dogs do long term. Rosemary had been a big problem with my dogs and for intact girls, flax can be problematic. Also can disrupt hormones in human women. I think these things are fine now and then but do not want my dogs getting them in the food every day. I’ve posted my experience with the foods that I have tried in case there are others who are trying to deal with the same issues. In talking to other dog folks I know I am not the only one questioning some of these foods but of course, with so many lifestyles, breeds and foods out there, everyone is going to have their own opinion. I simply state what I have experienced if it helps others.

  • losul

    I certainly understand wanting 2 out things like rosemary flax sage yucca, but can i ask what it is about millet you find particularly negative, especially when your not 2 adverse 2 including including rice, barley or oats?

    If your really adverse 2 rosemary, you should probably ask what are used as preservatives in the poultry and fish meals, they won’t be listed. There could also be artificial preservatives in them!

  • LadyBug

    Finally, Flax and Rosemary Free!!! Hooray!!
    I have been through a long search for a premium food that does not contain Rosemary, Flax, Sage, Millet, Yucca or any other plants that my dogs should not be eating. My dogs do fine with some grains such as rice, barley and oat but I just wanted a simple diet for them.
    I was about to give up on the search and had resorted to making my own food for the past two years (which, by the way, has them in top condition). Then I found this food. I am still making a lot of homemade, but it sure is nice to have the convenience of kibble again. My dogs had no problem making the transition. Digestion is great, weight is perfect (they are active, working dogs) coats and muscle tone are wonderful. I am very impressed with this food and find it is worth every penny I’ve paid for it. It is an Adult formula. They make a canned version too which is All Life Stages and I mix the canned in with the kibble for mamas and puppies. So far, so good and that is a huge relief because it’s been a long search. My dogs are not at all picky, but I am.

  • Pat C.

    I noticed one time when I gave my dog a piece of boiled egg that later that evening she leaked urine where she was lying down (like she didn’t even know she did it). That was the only time. Now a year or two later I have two dogs. I had forgotten about the egg/leakage and gave them both a small piece of hard boiled egg again, and both dogs wet inside the house that day. I think that is too much of a coincidence. I’m thinking there is something in egg that causes this because they normally only wet outside. Just stating this here in case anyone else is wondering what could possibly be making their dog wet in the house. Even if you don’t feed your dog eggs, their dog food formula might have a high enough percentage in it to trigger this response? I notice a lot of grain free formulas add egg product.

  • Jackie

    My dog has a very sensitive stomach and I have tried many different foods for her with no improvement. We even did raw for awhile but she just could not handle the constant protein switching. Finally a family friend who owns a pet food supply store recommended Canidae Pure Sea and the change was almost instantaneous. Her stools have been dark and solid, her breath smells better, and her coat is soft and shiny. We will definitely be sticking with this food!

  • Taylor Godwin

    We love our Canidae! It’s keeps his coat healthy, and he’s never once had digestive upset on this food. He’s had sensitivity to many proteins, but the bison option in Canidae is wonderful for him! Thank you, Canidae! And thank you dogfoodadvisor, as we first learned of Canidae here. ♥

  • Jill N Augie

    I have a lethal white Australian Shepherd with extreme stomach sensitivity. Sky, Land and Sea are the only food i have found with prebiotics to help my Augie Doggie poop. I used to have to put something in his food to get him to eat…. with Candiae, i no longer have to. This food states it helps dogs with “skin, stomach and digestive sensitivities”. Just a thought; if your dog doesnt have that maybe this foods not for you. With my dog its ideal!

  • 1sweetsugar

    many dogs will still act hungry and eat whenever they get the chance. However, if you are concerned try giving them green beans with their food. The beans will make them feel full while not adding any calories.

  • tesslynn amburgey

    if you Vet sells science diet -please find another vet

  • tesslynn amburgey

    I got two pups this year…breeder fed costco brand, I don’t have costco…went straight to canidae grain free NO issues

  • Alexandria Andrews

    I have a JRT with a very sensitive system. I feed her Fromm Grain Free formula. It gets 4.5 stars on here, but it’s the best food I have found for my girl’s sensitive stomach. All my dogs thrive on it!

  • Ya Fei Iona Chen

    try spring natural grainfree lamb

  • aliosh

    Orijen and TOTW were the grain free foods I used to treat my GSD’s digestive issues. Currently, I use Orijen which I am very happy with. Previously, I fed my GSD kibble containing grains like barely, rice, oats. Still he could not tolerate them as a main staple in his diet. I stayed clear of wheat and corn, but it did not matter in my case because grains of any kind were apparently causing him digestive distress. I am very pleased with the results I have seen over the past 3 years using Orijen Adult dry food. Even through their formula change, my dog still does well on their food.

  • Bob K

    Good for you to find a suitable kibble. Were you able to isolate the allergen that was causing the problem both Orijen and TOTW have many different formulas?

  • aliosh

    My GSD had chronic diarrhea and vomiting and was a terrible eater. I tried several brands of high quality kibble but he disliked them all. My vet never suggested it could be his food either. I searched the internet and decided to put him on a grain free diet. Taste of the Wild was my initial grain free food although my GSD did not eat it willingly. His digestive issues were relieved but he scratched a lot. However, I made the switch to Orijen Adult dog food after TOTW was recalled. My GSD is now 7 years old and no longer suffers from any digestive issues or excessive itching. I will never feed him anything but Orijen. His weight is great and his health is too.

  • Vanbo

    “If your going through hell keep on going….”

    Rodney Atkins

  • Jordie

    Please read my post lower down.
    Go with Wellness Core. Far superior food

    C

    If you’re going through hell,keep going
    Winston Churchill

  • sue66b

    Rose, Have a look at the Wellness range, My boy is on the Wellness Simple Lamb & Oatmeal, he cant have high protein or high fat either… here’s a link to have a look at the Wellness Complete Health kibbles then scoll down a bit & u’lll see the Wellness Simple..slowly introduce when starting a new kibble I do it over 2 weeks so Patch doesnt have diarrhea, his poos are firm on the Simple, I was going to try the Canidae but it was too high in fat so I picked the Wellness instead..
    http://www.wellnesspetfood.com/recipes.aspx?pet=dog&ft=1#Complete

  • Guest

    Can you tell me why?

  • Jordie

    Best to stay away

  • Bobby dog

    Hi Rose Marie:
    I don’t have too much experience with digestive issues; however check this website out for suggestions. You may want to add digestive enzymes and probiotics to help with transitioning to a new food.

    http://dogaware.com/articles/suppsdigestive.html

    If your pup has been eating one food for any length of time you may have issues introducing a new food such as diarrhea. One of my favorite home remedies is canned plain pumpkin (not pie filling) for either diarrhea or constipation. I freeze canned pumpkin in small portions to have handy for such occasions for both my dog and cats. My dog is around 40 lbs and I feed him one tablespoon/2x day when needed; with any new supplement or food it is always best to start with smaller portions and adjust accordingly. Here’s some info on pumpkin and other fresh foods that may help with loose stools:

    http://dogaware.com/health/digestive.html

    Check out foods rated 3 – 4 stars on DFA for a lower protein food. Some foods will fall into this rating category due to lower protein percentages; dog foods with higher meat content are usually rated higher. Here’s info on how DFA rates dog food:

    https://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/frequently-asked-questions/rate-dog-food/

    You might also look into diet rotation for your dogs. If Ideal Balance is working for your dogs, keep that in your rotation, but add other kibbles they do well on also. This will also help when a company changes recipes; they always do. Sometimes there is fair warning to recipes changes, most times there is not. When you have other foods your dogs do well on you never have to worry about a rocky transition again when feeding a rotational diet!

    http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/frequently-asked-questions/diet-rotation-for-dogs/

  • Rose Marie

    When I started introducing Canidea dog food to my dogs they had diarrhea all over the house. I feed my dogs Science Diet Ideal Balance because it’s low in protein, but everyone says its really bad food. Does anyone else know a good food that is low in protein that is good for English Mastiffs?

  • sue

    Started feeding both my yorkies Pure Land and both act like they are starving even though both are putting on weight and look bloated. Is this unusual?

  • Jordie

    Gracie saw the specialist Friday…he feels she ingested something which caused severe gastritis . Be it food? something she picked up? something on the beach?. No ultrasound at this time. If she crashes again, will be done then . There is a very small small percentage it could be a disease process developing . She is doing well.
    Bottom line…I don’t think I will ever know exactly what caused this.
    But I can not take the chance of using Canidae again …

  • Jordie

    Hi there
    Gracie is doing better. Thank you :). But not sure she is out of the woods. My issue with CANIDAE is DIAMOND being one of their manufacturing plants, along with several others. I loved the ingredients in this food. Just can’t get past their food is made is so many different places. The customer service was terrific.
    THIS IS WHAT THEY SENT TO ME…….Ethos Pet Nutrition is our own advanced research and development center as well as our pet food manufacturing facility which serves as our flagship food and treat facility. We also have our recipes produced at several other facilities across the United States including Diamond Pet, Performance Pet, and Hampshire Pet. These facilities are all committed to achieving CANIDAE’s extremely high standards for quality and safety. I also want to let you know that all ingredients are tested prior to unloading. Product is tested during the manufacturing process. Finished product is set aside and is not released until it passes our “Test and Hold” protocols.
    It is our commitment to you and your pets to help diagnose the cause of your pets illness. Although the food is the easiest, most tangible and first item to blame, direct illness from miss manufacturing from any of our products has never been confirmed. We practice vigorous safety controls at all of our production facilities and thoroughly test all incoming ingredients. If our food was not manufactured to the specifications on the label, and there was an illness from that, we would gladly reimburse you 100% for your vet bill. In all reported cases we have done a thorough investigation and our batch was 100% safe and made to within specs with no evidence of miss manufacturing of our formulation

  • Ingrid Castillo

    Hello, any updates on how your dog is doing? Sounds bad. I was wondering because I had been reading good things about canidae, but now, in not so sure. Any feedback is appreciated.

  • Jordie

    Lab Mom here with upside down pic :)
    PLEASE READ ALL ABOUT MY EXPERIENCE WITH TRYING CANIDAE BISON AND LAMB!!!!!!
    Switched my lab from wellness to CANIDAE.
    MY DOG IS ILL…SERIOUSLY I’LL AS I TYPE THIS.
    severe vomiting, bloody diarrhea, nausea, listless,
    I have had 2 emergency hospital visits. And 4 visits to my regular vet.
    ALL AFTER FEEDING CANIDAE BISON AND LAMB
    SEVERAL X-RAYS, LAB WORK, BARIUM STUDY AND WE STILL DO NOT HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT IS GOING ON.
    Gastritis????? Ulcer?????? Intestinal cancer???!

    I have an appt. with my vet this morning August 18th2014
    Was at the ER yesterday again.

    THIS HAS ALL HAPPENED AFTER FEEDING CANIDAE.
    MY Lab Gracie is very sick…

  • LabLover

    Yep, I rotate each month between these foods. I tend to mix the Dr Tims together, Annamaet together, etc.. I never have to worry about bags taking too long to go through with three big dogs.

  • Crazy4cats

    I think it is perfectly fine to mix dry dog foods to get a good balance for your dogs. Just make sure, like Storm’s mom suggested, that you get through them quickly enough to avoid either going rancid. Also make sure you switch the two foods you are mixing from time to time. You don’t want to feed the same thing forever. There are a couple of regulars that feed that way also. It does, however make it tougher to know which food is causing an issue if there are any that come up. But if it’s working and it makes it more affordable to mix in a higher quality food, I say go for it!

  • LabLover

    Sorry, I know this isnt the best place to ask questions, but I cant seem to post in the forums for some reason.
    I do rotate quite often between Dr Tims, Annamaet, and Victor. I have one dog (Whitney) that does great on grain free foods. She has spay incontinence and if she eats grain free or mix of grain and grain free, she doesnt leak. It sounds weird but it works and she doesnt need any Proin. I have one (Nala)that does better on grain free but doesnt need to really eat it. I have noticed her belly isnt as gassy (no farting LOL) if she eats a grain free food or a mix like my other dog. My third dog (Apollo) can eat anything.

    So I was wondering if I mix the grain and grain free two together (Which I have done) is really causing any issues? Im not one to think every dog needs grain free but two of mine do better eating it. I guess it comes down to money I suppose because going through three bags of grain free is a little pricey for me and if I can buy a regular bag and add it in, I can save a little money. I have three Labradors and they are very active. They eat 3.5 cups a day. Ends up pretty close to 30lbs in 10 days with three dogs

  • Storm’s Mom

    Yes it’s technically “ok”, BUT.. so many questions that would be helpful to know when providing you the best answer! Why are you wanting to mix rather than, say, go entirely grain-free? (if it’s budget, there are some very budget-friendly grain-free options, if you’re interested in recommendations) How big are your dogs? Are we talking big bags or small bags of kibble?

    If this is just a temporary or short term thing (to transition, etc) then I would say it’s fine, but if you’re thinking of this as a long term feeding strategy, I would get concerned about 2 things in particular. First being rancidity – if you have 2 bags of kibble open at the same time, it would take your dogs longer to go through each bag, increasing the likelihood of one or more kibble becoming rancid.

    Two chicken based kibbles aren’t going to provide you with as much variety, either. On the other hand, if they are 2 very different kibbles that you are feeding together over a long period of time, then if an intolerance pops up it could be a nightmare trying to figure out which ingredient is the problem (it still could be with 2 different chicken kibbles depending upon how different they are).

    IMHO, it would be better to stick with one kibble (at a time..I’m all for rotating kibbles every bag, etc) and mix in random canned toppers for variety.

    I do know that there are some on here who do mix in two or more kibbles consistently and regularly so their dogs are always eating 2 different kibbles at any given time, but as I said, personally I would (and do) stick with one kibble at a time, rotate through a few very different kibbles, and add in a random canned topper. It’s way less risky on a whole bunch of fronts.

  • PrivacyInA9M80

    Did Canidae drastically reduce its protein content over the past year in its PureLand recipe? There are missing ingredients, as well.

    (My English Shepherd w/allergies has always done (and still does) great on the PureLand.)