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A raw dog food diet is designed to mimic a dog’s natural ancestral menu. The whole concept of raw feeding is based upon a dog’s instinctive carnivorous bias — a built-in desire to capture (or find) and eat another animal.
Wolf with Raw Food

As unsavory as it may seem, it is completely natural for a wolf to consume the entire animal.

Meat, bones, organs and all.

As direct descendants of wolves, dogs are simply not genetically optimized to consume the 50% carbohydrate content of today’s commercial kibbles.

So, how do these diets compare?

The Ancestral Diet
Compared to Dry Kibble

No one can argue the dry baked pellets we call dog food aren’t convenient. Yet the nutrient profile of a dry kibble is nowhere near the nutrient content of a dog’s ancestral diet.

Canine Ancestral Diet versus Dry Dog Food

Notice the higher carbohydrate content of the kibble compared to the dog’s natural ancestral diet. Or how about the dramatically lower protein and fat levels?

The Benefits of a Raw Diet

Feeding a raw dog food diet has many notable benefits

  • Firmer stools
  • Improved digestion
  • Healthier skin and coat
  • Reduced allergy symptoms
  • Better weight management

There have been many reports of improved health when chronically ill pets were switched from a commercial product to a raw dog food.

The Downside
of a Raw Dog Food Diet

A raw dog food diet can’t touch the convenience of a kibble. Just measure and pour. It just doesn’t get any easier.

Yet besides the lack of convenience, there’s another critical issue. Bacterial contamination.

Salmonella and E. coli germs can always be a potential problem with raw meats. Yet the risk of food-borne disease is actually quite low.

That is, low risk for dogs. But not for humans.

That’s because a dog’s digestive system is shorter and more acidic.

Which makes canine infections like these fairly rare.

The real risk of food-borne disease is actually greater for a dog’s human caretakers — not the dog.

Yet with proper care and handling, this risk can be dramatically reduced.

How to Use Our List

Below you’ll find a list of the Advisor’s suggested raw dog foods. Of course, this list should not be considered a complete catalog of all the raw dog foods on the market.

For there are others. Many others.

We only provide this small group as a starting point.

As a matter of fact, if you know of a specific dog food you believe we should have included on this list, please feel free to share your recommendations in the Comments section below.

Or if you’re looking for some suggestions yourself, be sure to look through our readers’ Comments to find more good ideas.

Suggested Raw Dog Foods

  • Colette

    Hello Kali,
    I forgot to mention that I also give my dogs probiotics that has eliminated any sensitive stomach issues they use to have. I also get my meats from a local pet deli and have had amazing results from feeding them rabbit and quail. I also give them natural organic vitamins and minerals from Dr. Peter Dobias (I absolutely LOVE his products).

  • Colette

    Hello Kali,
    Do you currently give your dog topical flea preventative? If so, that might be the cause of your dogs skin issues. My dog suffered for about a year until I stopped applying the topical flea preventative and her itching went away. I currently feed my dogs raw meals and try to keep them away from harmful chemicals, including medications. For minor issues and ailments, I will first use herbs and natural remedies before turning to conventional medications. Since I switched my dogs to raw they only go to the vet once a year for their annual checkup. Previously, I was going to the vet at least once a month for all kinds of issues. To avoid over vaccinating I have my vet conduct titer tests, as well as a full blood workup to ensure that their in optimal health. I hope my comment helps!

  • http://dograp.com el doctor

    Hi Shannon

    Throwing up is never a good thing and it should NOT be part of the transition process.

    A conservative transition process;

    Start with 90% of the old food and 10% of the new food. Every 3rd day go up 10% on the new food. This process takes 19 days to fully transition from one food to another.

    Throwing up could mean she has an intolerance or sensitivity to one or more of the ingredients in the food. It could also mean that she is not able to deal with the bacteria and her body is getting rid of it the fastest way possible. It could also mean something else that I don’t know about.

    I suggest you reduce the amount of raw she is getting to 10% of her total diet and start the transition process over. If she throws up again I would stop the raw and feed her a lightly cooked diet. You can lightly cook a raw food IF it has NO bones, ground or otherwise.

    I would DEFINITELY give her a multi-strain, high potency probiotic, and a prebiotic to feed the probiotics,

    If she is given ANY antibiotics, I would NOT feed her raw food until a coupe of weeks AFTER she finishes taking them. Probiotics and prebiotics become a NECESSITY in my opinion, if a dog receives any antibiotics.

    You should start to notice improvements from feeding her a better diet AFTER she is no longer in any kind of crisis, or on any antibiotics.

    Wishing you and your girl the best 😉

  • Shannon Schneider

    Hi there,
    Well I started my girl on Northwest Natural Raw. It is available where I live. She loves it! How long do you think it will be before I see an improvement do you think. She has been on it two weeks. She threw up 4 days ago and then again yesterday morning. She never throws up. Is it uncommon for a dog to throw up when transitioning over to a raw diet. I fear I may have transitioned her too fast as well. I have backed off on the amount of raw to her limited ingredient kibble to see if we have any more issues. My cocker spaniels have had no issues what so ever but they are also much younger and with no health issues. I noticed an energy boost with my girl right away but now she seems to be a bit down again. My vet wants her back on an antibiotic because she is showing bacteria in her vaginal area again. The yeast seems to be much better. I guess I am looking for suggestions.

    Thanks
    Shannon

  • Lori Luckhard

    We have an elderly (approx 10 yrs) 4 lb Yorkie that has dark brown spots showing up on her skin, mainly on her lower abdomen but also randomly all the way up to her neck. She also is scratching, and biting her hip. She has arthritis in one hip/leg. I would like to transition her to a better food in hopes of helping her skin condition but any time we make the slightest change in her food, she has bloody stool and gets dehydrated, causing an expensive overnight stay at the vet. Any suggestions? She is currently eating a dry kibble. Where/how do I start the transition and what food should I start with?

  • Kali Grayling

    My 2 year old Miniature Schnauzer has been having skin allergies for the past 6 months. Our vet has given us shampoo to wash her 3-4 times a week (helped briefly but came back in between washes) then a medication to take twice daily (also worked briefly but came back after madication was out) and now she suggest Benadryl which Id rather not give her every single day. Since nothing is helping I’m thinking of switching her to a raw food diet. Any suggestions for the best fit. She also has a sensitive stomach, so something that could help with that.

  • Charles Mounce

    It sounds like your bulldog may have some type of allergic reaction to the rabbit. I’d probably stop feeding that for now. Try Primal or Small Batch for the raw. Some raw companies don’t use the greatest meats either and can lead to stuff like the issues you’re having. Also if the bag is puffy, it will smell because it has created more enzymes in the bag and I’d probably stay away from those bags. Also if your guy is having a lot of allergies, trying adding Answers or Primal raw goats milk to the diet. It’s a probiotic that will help offset allergies. Always try to rotate his diet as well, as just like humans, dogs get different vitamins and minerals from different meats. All raw needs to be transitioned into. Start small by mixing it with the current diet and then go into the serving size.

  • Charles Mounce

    Primal and Small Batch sell chubs that’s are only the meat, organ and bone grinded up. If you do a little research, you can add the produce yourself with those.

  • Charles Mounce

    The protein in raw is different than that of kibble since they digest 90 to 95% of raw and only 40 to 60% kibble. This means they will be able to intake all the nutrients of the meat while not having issues that they may have with kibble which may not get all its protein from even meat. Probably stay away from fatty meats like duck or rabbit though if your worried. Also, raw can be very expensive for your sized dog, you may try using raw as a topper with kibble, just keep portion size in mind and also that you shouldn’t leave raw out for longer than an hour. Also, if you’re worried about joint issues, add a little Answers fermented fish stock to the food too, it will do wonders.

  • Charles Mounce

    Try adding a little moisture to the diet. Hills is a kibble and your dog needs moisture in its diet, just like you get yours from fruit and vegetables. Try maybe a little Answers fish stock mixed with the kibble and it will help digestion and the coat issues. Start with small amounts and transition into the full dosage. Also, I would recommend Primal as a raw, as they have montmorillonite clay in their food which helps the absorption of the minerals from the food. Also transition into this to. Also, when doing raw, treat it like you treat human meat. Defrost overnight in the fridge, don’t microwave and use a stainless steel or glass bowl. Bacteria can grow in plastic. Also, do not leave out for hours, maybe an hour at most. Let me know if you have questions, I’ll be happy to answer.

  • Charles Mounce

    When switching to a raw or limited ingredient diet, you have to transition them into the food. Imagine if you had eaten fast-food all of your life and then started eating ginger and kale salads everyday, you will then start detoxing as your digestion is changing. Same with dogs, try Perfect Form by Honest Kitchen to help with the transition, it’s like a tums for dogs. Also, with your dog having those ailments, I would really suggest adding some raw goats milk to the diet as well. Primal and Answers make great ones. Also start with small dosages first and then follow the serving size.

  • Erik Senders

    We at Mika & Sammy’s Gourmet Pet Treats believe in a raw diet for our dogs. Our full line of dog treats are dehydrated. We choose to dehydrated because it’s the only way to keep all of the original nutrients in the poultry and meat. Each flavor is 100% all natural and safe for human consumption. None of their treats contain more than 3 all natural ingredients. No additive or preservatives, no animal meal or by products, just really good quality ingredients that are American sourced and made in Philadelphia, PA. And the best part is we are a family owned and operated company. My wife Anna and I started this company just over a year ago. Mika is our 6 year old daughter and Sam is our 15 year old son. And our Chief Pet Officer & mascot is our loving dog, Marley.
    Our website is usanaturaldogtreats.com

  • http://theuglypugglyboutique.com/ sandy

    Grandma Lucy is a lightly cooked freeze dried food.

  • http://theuglypugglyboutique.com/ sandy

    The lamb recipe has a higher fat to protein ratio. It’s still good to feed in a rotational diet so your dog gets different levels of protein and fat, but it might have more calories per ounce.

  • Deborah Smith

    Grandma Lucy

  • Cstall

    Hi Matt, I’ve read that if you increase the fiber in your dog’s food it can help with anal gland expression. My mom has a Maltese Shi Tzu mix and she buys a little baby food jar of squash for the dog. She adds a small amount of the baby food to the dog’s regular food. You can use canned pumpkin (not pumpkin pie filling!) to get the same result. Her dog is just too small to buy a whole can of that. Make sure you start small! If your dog gets diarrhea you may have added too much fiber.
    This has really helped her dog.

  • http://welcomehomedogrescue.org Poppy the Cocker

    Does anyone know why Stella and Chewy’s frozen raw Lamb is rated only 3.5 stars? Primal Lamb is rated 4 stars, while the other flavors of these 2 brands are 5 stars. My dog really does well on the lamb, but with it so low rated, I’m thinking maybe this isn’t wise.

    I know variety is important, with raw. I used to rotate flavors every day – lamb, beef, chicken – but her stool is too soft this way. I’m now doing a whole package at a time before I switch proteins. I add G.I. Balance from the Company Super Snouts to her food. This has pumpkin and apple fiber, fennel seed, ginger and inulin in it (prebiotics).

    My 22 lb. Cocker is 8 years old and eats 1 8-oz patty a day. I also give her a small amount of a variety of steamed veggies because she loves them and without them she isn’t satisfied. I need to keep her weight down because of disc disease. Without the veggies she’s food crazy. I know dogs don’t need veggies, but for my dog they help with satiety.

    Anyone have any advice? I’ve thought I was doing so good for my dog all these years and I’m upset to find the lamb is so poorly rated!

  • Kim Kiernan

    Does anyone know why Stella and Chewy’s frozen raw Lamb is rated only 3.5 stars? Primal Lamb is rated 4 stars, while the other flavors of these 2 brands are 5 stars. My dog really does well on the lamb, but with it so low rated, I’m thinking maybe this isn’t wise. I know variety is important, with raw. I used to rotate flavors every day – lamb, beef, chicken – but her stool is too soft this way. I’m now doing a whole package at a time before I switch proteins. I add G.I. Balance from the Company Super Snouts to her food. This has pumpkin and apple fiber, fennel seed, ginger and inulin in it (prebiotics). My 22 lb. Cocker is 8 years old and eats 1 8-oz patty a day. I also give her a small amount of a variety of steamed veggies because she loves them and without them she isn’t satisfied. I need to keep her weight down because of disc disease. Without the veggies she’s food crazy. I know dogs don’t need veggies, but for my dog they help with satiety. Anyone have any advice? I’ve thought I was doing so good for my dog all these years and I’m upset to find the lamb is so poorly rated!

  • Shannon Schneider

    That helps yes. Thank you! I will read the good and bad you posted.

  • http://dograp.com el doctor

    Hi Shannon

    I had never heard of mORIGINS raw dog foods before you mentioned them.

    The good;

    They use pasture-fed beef, and grass-fed lamb. They use organs and tripe along with muscle meat. They DON’T use CAFO (concentrated animal feeding operation) meats. You can read about the negative aspects of CAFO here;

    http://www.cafothebook.org/

    The bad;

    The beef and the lamb diets are very high in fat and I don’t know if the’re balanced or not. They don’t use any plant matter, so they have to add supplements to the diet and one of the supplements they use is menadione. You can read about the controversy on using menadione in dog food here;

    http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/choosing-dog-food/menadione-in-dog-food/

    Hope this helps 😉

  • Tami Canada Seknicka

    Our 2 year old Lab has sore and legions on his undercarriage. Has had them off and on for almost a year and 1/2. The vet suggests twice a week medicated baths (not convenient for our family), Benadryl (6 a day), steroid shots and antibiotics. We have always fed him Taste of the Wild but recently switched to limited ingredient food. Now he has diarrhea. Any suggestions?

  • AliWally

    We have started by cutting kibble in half and subbing with raw foods, because our dogs are soon used to kibble we starting slow with 1 part raw meat/eggs and 2 parts veggies.
    We have been doing this for a month and plan to start working towards an all raw diet over the next two months. I have used pet-grub.com as a resource and that has helped immensely. :) I hope all goes well, our dogs coats and mood/energy level. Going to feeding once a day REALLY makes this doable.

  • Len Santucci

    I have 2 Bulldogs. Good grief get him off that crappy food! Prob one of the worst foods you can give him no wonder why he’s itching. Bulldogs are high maintenance dogs and are prone to allergies. I can’t tell you the coin I have spent on then only to be fustrated. His poop is stinking cause it’s all waste. The dog isn’t using any nutrients in the food because there is none in that Cosco crap. Try Stella and Chewys. It’s a great 5 star food and can almost gurentee you will see a difference in a month. Great place to start. Plus your dog will barely poop because he will be absorbing all the nutrients. Freeze dried is a great way to go too but you would spend less money on frozen over time and is better. Don’t get me wrong nothing wrong with freeze dried. I use it when I’m traveling or in a pinch. Good luck!

  • Shannon Schneider

    I typed it wrong. It mOrigins. I apologize.

  • Shannon Schneider

    Hi,
    Have you heard anything about mOrgins raw foods? I have been looking into Darwins and Primal as well. It is hard to know for sure what is the best. I read about mOrgins on line and was wondering if you or anyone else has heard of it and if so, what do you think? They were very good about responding right away to questions.
    Thanks
    Shannon

  • OG

    My 1 year old golden doodle has had stomach and skin issues for months now, we have tried prescription hills digestive care and the hydrolized prescription hills neither has been the solution. The vet seems to just want to give him anti biotics. I’ve reached my breaking point and want to try a raw food diet but I don’t know where to start, I’d appreciate any feedback

  • http://dograp.com el doctor

    Hi Shannon

    1) I would have her thyroid tested 4 hours after you give her a dose of her thyroid medicine. The T4 value should be at the top of the normal range to 25% over normal. This is according to Dr Jean Dodds, who specializes in canine thyroid issues. If it’s not, then you should adjust her dosage until she is in that range.

    2) I would transition her slowly from the diet she is currently on (commercial canned and dry). First I would lightly cook her food, and if she does well I would cook it less and less until it is completely raw. If she doesn’t tolerate it well I would stick with the lightly cooked.

    The transition should take about 14 days. Start by adding 10% new to 90% old, and increase the new by 10% every third day. During the transition period I would lightly cook the raw. Once she has successfully transitioned to 100% lightly cooked raw, I would start the transition to 100% raw, this should be done over another 2 week period.

    If her immune system is compromised (it probably is at this point) she could have issues with bacteria that could be present in the raw.

    Darwin’s has two raw formulas, Beef, and Bison that don’t have ground bones in them so they can safely be cooked. They also do custom blends.

    I would give them a call and tell them about her yeast issues and ask if they could do a balanced (no supplement necessary) bone-free, limited or no carb diet until she no longer has yeast issues.

    http://www.darwinspet.com/our-raw-foods/our-raw-dog-food/

    1-877-738-6325

    Relax, be patient and decide on a path ( Primal grind, plus Nupro, or Darwins lightly cooked, or?). Once you decide then it will make it easier for people to help you down the path you chose.

    You are clearly motivated, and I think that with time your pup will be much better off then she is now!!!!!!

  • InkedMarie

    Look online…just google & see who has the best prices. I’d use the silver one, which is the joint one, for both dogs

  • Shannon Schneider

    I read the article and I was surprised to see that the irritability that my girl has been experiencing is from the hypothyroidism. She is being treated for it so I am hoping it will help. What is weird is that she didn’t start doing this random barking until she started on the thyroid meds. She was retested and she was in the low normal range so my vet wants me to keep her on the meds. I am just so frustrated right now. I just want her to be healthy. This is why I am desperately looking for a raw diet that will help her over all be healthier.

  • Shannon Schneider

    I ordered the pre and pro biotics. What food should I be trying to switch her to? Is lamb the best and easiest to digest? In the past lamb has caused gas in other dogs I have (10-15 years ago) had but maybe it wasn’t the lamb? This was before I knew about healthier foods without fillers. I am sorry for all of the questions. I just am trying not to spend money on things I won’t need or use. I just want to do what is best

  • Crazy4cats

    Thank you. Love the bow and flower. She’s a beaut!

  • Shannon Schneider

    I can only find the Nupro for small breeds. That would work, I am guessing, for my Cocker Spaniel but not my lab. Also, will my dogs need any other supplements in their grind besides this? Should I get the joint and agility supplement for my older doc? I am sorry for all the questions! I just want to be sure to get what I need. And should I give pro and pre biotics as well?

  • Shannon Schneider

    Ok I have some more questions. I want to start my girl on a raw diet but I am not sure what to start with. I know the Prima Raw Grind has been recommended with the Nutro supplement. Should I star there and also do the pre and pro biotic? And do I start her on lamb as that is easy to digest? I am so confused as to where to start!!!

  • el doctor

    She’s a beauty 😉

  • el doctor

    Hi Olivia, Happy New Year, and welcome to DFA 😉

    I think that trying a fresh food diet that is raw or lightly cooked is a GREAT IDEA!

    If you read the article Crazy4cats recommended, you will see that it’s really not the protein level that you have to worry about, but the amount ofcalories and calcium.

    http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/best-dog-foods/best-large-breed-puppy-food/

    The only fresh commercial puppy food I know of that meets those requirements is Freshpet® Select Tender Chicken with Vegetables & Brown Rice Dog Food Recipe for Puppies.

    http://freshpet.com/products/freshpetselectforpuppies/

    It’s not raw, but It does meet all the requirements for a Great Dane puppy and once she is no longer a puppy you could look into the 5 star raw foods listed here;

    http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-reviews/raw/5-star/

    Or buy a book like this one, and learn how to prepare a homemade raw or lightly cooked, AND BALANCED diet, whose quality is second to none!

    http://www.amazon.com/Beckers-Real-Food-Healthy-Dogs/dp/0982533128

    Good Luck 😉

  • Olivia M. Obringer

    Thanks, I’ll check it out!
    Here she is. She’s 10 months. A Merle Great Dane. Her name is Willow. She’s 86 lbs so far.

  • Crazy4cats

    Hi Olivia-
    I encourage you to check out the article on how to choose a large breed puppy food that is listed on this site in the left margin. Most vets are now recommending a controlled amount of calcium not protein. Plus, keeping them lean and limited amount of exercise to help prevent joint problems. Post a pic if you wish. I’d love to see him!

  • Olivia M. Obringer

    I’m considering starting my 10 month Great Dane puppy on raw. Great Dane puppies should not have puppy food (kibble is 27% protein) because it has far too much protein in it. Would having her on a raw diet make her have too much protein? (over 27%….)

  • Matt

    Anyone have any recommendations for a 20 month old Airedale that has to have his anal glands expressed every two weeks? Currently feeding him k9 Craving chicken beef and veg in the morning and holistic select fish formula kibble in the evening.

  • Shawna

    I too appreciate this dialouge and that you are open minded to my comments, whether we agree to disagree or come to a common conclusion..

    I COMPLETELY agree with you that carbs are not necessary in the canine diet – no question about that. I just don’t think that nutrient dense, “appropriate” carbs are detrimental – garlic, cruciferous veggies, seaweeds, blueberries etc. Some of the prey model feeders are so anti carb that they can often exclude raw feeders simply because they choose not to feed an all animal based diet. This does nothing, in my opinion, but to divide the whole raw community.

    What I am saying is that the current diet you are feeding may not be problematic over the long haul (which assumes that you plan on feeding this long term of course). I mentioned the lack of linoleic acid and animal based DHA/EPA — which is also sourced from others sources than salmon – sardines and krill as an example. Nupro has Lactobacillus Acidophilus as it’s only probiotic. Supplementing with just one bacteria is going to throw off the balance of the gut bacteria even further – last I remember there are 14 species of gut flora known to be common in the dogs gut (probably more have been found since I last read up on this). Different bacteria and yeast perform different jobs. Some create butyric acid and lactic acid — when the bacteria eat their appropriate food (inulin, FOS, resistant starch etc). These acids protect the gut from cancer, create an acidic environment which prevent other microbes from flourishing etc. Beneficial bacteria, per Penn State, “prime” neutrophil white blood cells to be ready if an invader attacks — neutrophils kill malassezia yeast and demodectic mites as an example. The Penn article didn’t identify which microbe/s primed the neutrophils though. Others have other jobs in the body. There’s a FANTASTIC article written by a pharmacist and a couple doctors that discusses all the benefits of the different gut flora but I can’t find it right now. I’ll post if/when I find it. Wolves got LOTS of flora from living in the wild, eating off the ground, eating tripe, burying meat and bones etc. Your diet may be deficient in more than just that but without a food calculator (like Steve Brown’s) and without knowing the amounts of nutrients provided in the Nupro, I couldn’t identify where there would be deficiencies.

    By reintroducing the starch the yeast come right back would tell me that the yeast were never addressed as, unless after taking antibiotics, candida yeast should be kept in check by the beneficial bacteria in the gut (that ALSO eat the starch) —— OR that your pup is sensitive to the specific starch you are giving? Obviously only a problem if you are giving the same type starch. Admittedly, your pup may be one of those pups (or people) that don’t fit the norm but most people and pets experiencing a candida outbreak can resume a normal diet after addressing the infection.

    Regarding Dr. Becker’s video (I have seen this one) — please note that she says and underactive or overactive immune system is the cause of the yeast infection while removing starch is PART of the cure. You also have to address why the immune system was over or underactive.

    I think Dr. Becker kinda confuses the issue when she says “carbs” as she isn’t speaking about all foods that are technically carbohydrates. In the article you link she says “Feed low-glycemic veggies.” She goes on to say “The second thing I recommend is adding some natural anti-fungal foods to his diet, like a small amount of garlic or oregano. These foods are both anti-fungal and anti-yeast and can be beneficial in helping reduce the yeast level in your dog’s body.” Garlic and oregano are technically carbs.

    She also states “In my practice, when I see a pet with a stubborn yeast infection, I do immune testing to measure his immunoglobulin levels (IgG, IgM and IgA). Generally these levels are low in a dog with constant yeast overgrowth.” IgA can become deficient because of a food intolerance / sensitivity. This may be what’s going on with your dog.

    Usually the goal with candida is to eliminate as much sugar from the diet as possible while also repopulating the gut with the good guys — a high quality probiotic like Garden of Life Primal Defense as an example. OR fermented foods / green tripe, fermented and unsweetened dairy products like kefir (if not sensitive to dairy) are a great option.

    Hemp oil or pumpkin seed oil are good sources of linoleic acid and sardines are good sources of DHA/EPA.

    Feeding a wide variety of proteins will help get the proper amino acid profile (not knowing which are included in Nupro – it may be enough). There are very few long term and experienced raw feeders that don’t advocate lots of variety in the diet.

    Just to reiterate, it may be that your baby is unique in how she handles “healthier” carbs but if so, she is the minority not the majority and Shannon’s dog is, in my opinion, most likely dealing with a food sensitivity versus carbs being the primary issue — especially because her issue is skin / ear related versus the digestive system.

    Thanks for hearing me out. I love your passion and appreciate your open mindedness!!!! :)

  • Dawn Solomon

    Hi Shawna, I am appreciating this dialouge. It is apparent that you are not a novice when it comes to dog nutrition. However if you point is that I am going to cause my dog harm by removing starches and sugars from her diet, that’s where I will have to disagree. Some may say that removing the starch should be temporary, to adress the yeast. But gues what? As soon as I reintroduce starch, the yeast come right back. So what does that tell me? As far as making sure my dog gets a balanced diet, the Pirmal grind (organs, muscle, bone) Nupro and occasional quail eggs and non-starchy greens, seem to be just fine. She is allergic to salmon oil, beef and chicken. As far as Dr. Becker’s work. I didn;t buy her book because I refuse to buy Ebooks that have no preview. Plus, she says with her own words that specifically for dogs with yeast. ALL starches should be removed. She advocates a lot of different remedies, but for different breeds and conditions. I attached it for your review. However, if you have a suggestion of something that you think would benefit my dogs situation, that is NOT one of the things that I have stated I will not feed her. I’d love to know. I’m just not open to having my mind changed but anything outside of that I am open to. http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2011/05/03/eating-these-foods-can-make-your-dog-itch-like-crazy.aspx

  • Shawna

    I hear what you are saying and I do agree that “treating” a yeast infection with diet is important but my point is, the diet did not CAUSE the infection. An imbalance of the gut flora if in the digestive tract or immune system stressors if a skin reaction.

    For what it’s worth, I am VERY familiar with Dr. Becker. In this link she writes about malassezia yeast infections (those that most commonly are the cause of infections on the skin and in the ears). “I also see lots of yeast infections associated with allergies.” My foster dog gets goopy ears from pork and the goo produced from the food reaction sets the scene for an infection to happen. I can remove all the carbs from her diet but until I remove the pork, she would continue to have yeasty ears.

    It may very well be true that your pup doesn’t tolerate carbs well but simply having a yeast infection doesn’t equate to forever being carb free in most dogs and if the cause of the yeast infection is not addressed then the symptoms will continue to manifest however it may happen in other ways.

    Edit – I forgot to link Dr. Becker’s article http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2015/06/07/dog-yeast-infection.aspx

    Second edit – sorry, but thought you might find this comment by Dr. Becker interesting. Same yeast article as linked/quoted above “I also recommend adding a few natural, antifungal foods to the diet, for example, small amounts of fresh garlic, thyme, parsley, and oregano to help reduce the level of yeast naturally. Adding fermented veggies, if your dog will eat them, can also be very beneficial. Raw, unfiltered apple cider vinegar and coconut oil have natural antifungal properties and can be added directly to your dog’s meals.”

  • Shawna

    Our digestive systems are not as different as many would have us believe. It is assumed that humans require carbohydrates in the diet but, like dogs, we have no nutritional requirement for them. That doesn’t however mean that we can’t derive benefit from carbs (the right carbs).

    I would agree that dogs are scavenging carnivores but they don’t produce different enzymes. Yes, dogs don’t make salivary amylase but their pancreas does produce amylase. Dogs don’t produce cellulase but then neither do humans (or cows for that matter).

    Nutritional yeast is made from Saccharomyces cerevisiae which ferments sugar just like other yeasts – this is one of the organisms in a SCOBY used to make kombucha tea (which starts out with tea and sugar). Nutritional yeast would be different in that the yeast has been killed however so I guess they wouldn’t be problematic. That said, there are beneficial yeast and they are very important to the gut, of human and dogs. The probiotic recommended by Dr. Becker for pets includes strains of yeast – Saccromyces boulardi as just one example. Yeast (even candida) is not the problem, it as an imbalance in good to bad gut flora.

    I notice you have linked to many of Dr. Becker’s article/videos, have you read her book? She and Beth both recommend adding small amounts of fruits and veggies to the diet. In fact, in a video presentation on Dogs Naturally Magazine, Dr. Becker and Steve Brown demonstrate how it is quite difficult to create a balanced diet without some vegetation. If you know anything about Dr. Becker, you know she HIGHLY advocates for a nutritionally complete diet, even to the point of recommending grocery store kibbled foods over an unbalanced raw diet.

  • el doctor

    Hi Shannon

    This probiotic has 34 strains and 100 Billion CFU’s (colony forming units) per capsule. I would start with half a capsule a day for a couple of days to see how she reacts to it. Then I would give her one capsule a day for 2 weeks. After that you could do 1 capsule 3 times a week for maintenance

    http://www.vitacost.com/garden-of-life-raw-probiotics-ultimate-care-100-billion-cfu-30-vegetarian-capsules-1

    I would also get a prebiotic to feed the probiotics. Mannose is a prebiotic that is also excellent for uninary tract issues. I would give her 1/4 teaspoon of this one whenever you give her probiotics.

    http://www.vitacost.com/vitacost-d-mannose-powder-1500-mg-per-serving-1-76-oz-50-g-3

    Happy New Year and if you have any more questions, feel free to ask 😉

  • Crazy4cats

    Hmmm? I don’t recall saying anything about grain free or carbs in my reply. I just simply explained the difference between the formulas. I don’t really have much experience with skin conditions and don’t usually make any recommendations. I’m glad the food works for you.

  • Dawn Solomon

    I got cha, and I do add some greens and quail eggs from time to time. all dogs are different and all I can say is that I did achieve the desired result of eleminating yeast, if something else comes up. I will re address the diet. But for now all is well. Her issues persisted in Stella & Chewys and Inttinct Raw. I learned from Dr. Karen Becker a holistic vetrinarian about the link between starch and yeast. And it worked, all breeds are different, and perhaps the Maltese/poodle types can’t handle starch or maybe its just my dog. But the results were so swift, and apparent that I have all the emprical evidence I need. I know it’s a hot topic out there and I’m sure there are dogs that do just fine with starches. But there are a lot that don’t.

  • Dawn Solomon

    Hi Shawna, I appreciate your reply, but you do understand that dogs have compeltly different digestive systems than humans! Dogs are scavenging carnivores with a a different set of enzymes, microbiome etc. Dogs don’t need carbs to thrive, they aren’t metibolically designed that way. Sure, they CAN eat that stuff, but look at all the doggie diseases and vet bills out there. I know this a heated debate, but I am having real results with my dog so its not just theory for me. Also the type of yeast in Nupro is not the the same kind that breaks down into carbohydrates. We all really need to educate ourselves in the basic science and biology of dogs and food intake. I did much research and learned a lot that I had no idea about before. Its easy to make so many mistakes when we are trying to do our best for our beloved pets. My dog is a dog, not a human sp its my responsibility to give her a BARF (Biologically Approprite Raw Food) diet. I also supplement her diet with a few quail eggs, and some greens (spinach/seaweed/clinatro) from time to time. But as far as the gut flora of dogs, you dont need to take my word for it research for yourself (go to animal biology not Food Company propaganda) and you will discover the facts about canines disgestive systems.

  • Dawn Solomon

    Hi, Her dog has a yeast problem and absolutly SHOULD NOT have ANY form of starches such as fruits or potatoes. A lot of people think that going “grain free’ is the answer, but for many dogs especially ones with health problems is not the answer. I use the grind along with Nupro for the vitamins. My dog is now in perfect condition and has been relived of all hot spots, paw chewing, yeast, itching ear infections. I suggest that people who want to confirm this simply take thier dogs off ALL forms of sugar and carbs for 30 days. You don’t have to take my word for it. I had my dog on Stella & Chewys and Instinct Raw, and her problems still persisted. She still smelled like cornchips and had nasty yeast growing in her ears and between her toes. It wasn’t until I COMPLETY REMOVED ALL FOOD SOURCES OF DIETARY CARBOHYDRATES that her condition not only improved, but was completly eliminated. Now, one should never feed thier dog only meat, the dog will have severe nutritonal deficiencies that will become a problem of its own. All you have to do is add a supplement, I use Nupro, another one on the market is DinoVite.

  • Dawn Solomon

    Hi, Her dog has a yeast problem and absolutly SHOULD NOT have ANY form of starches such as fruits or potatoes. A lot of people think that going “grain free’ is the answer, but for many dogs especially ones with health problems is not the answer. I use the grind along with Nupro for the vitamins. My dog is now in perfect condition and has been relived of all hot spots, paw chewing, yeast, itching ear infections. I suggest that people who want to confirm this simply take thier dogs off ALL forms of sugar and carbs for 30 days. You don’t have to take my word for it. I had my dog on Stella & Chewys and Instinct Raw, and her problems still persisted. She still smelled like cornchips and had nasty yeast growing in her ears and between her toes. It wasn’t until I COMPLETY REMOVED ALL FOOD SOURCES OF DIETARY CARBOHYDRATES that her condition not only improved, but was completly eliminated. Now, one should never feed thier dog only meat, the dog will have severe nutritonal deficiencies that will become a problem of its own. All you have to do is add a supplement, I use Nupro, another one on the market is DinoVite. I am all about feeding what is called an “Anti-Yeast” diet for dogs.

  • Shawna

    There is yeast in the Nupro you add as well.

    I don’t disagree at all that when candida gets a foothold cutting sugar will help but the problem is not sugar, the problem is an imbalance of good to bad (candida) organisms in the digestive tract. Eliminating carbs cuts off the full source to both — but our body absolutely needs the good gut flora for optimal health.

  • DogFoodie

    Oh, how frustrating!

    My browser recently updated and I can’t copy and paste. I typed in the link, so I’ll do that again here. I’ll edit this post to include the link in just a minute.

  • Shannon Schneider

    I will look back. Yes I think I missed it. My internet is down so I have to use my phone and for some reason I can’t see all the messages some times. Could you send me the link again by chance?

  • DogFoodie

    Hi Shannon,

    The probiotics I use are human ones from Swanson. They’re called Dr. Steven Langer’s Soil Based Organisms. If you ask your vet about prebiotics, they might offer you Purina Fortiflora. There are lots of choices. I find human ones are much less expensive.

    Also, I don’t know if you might have missed it, but I referenced an article in a post to you yesterday regarding your girl’s continued thyroid dysfunction. I think it could be relevant. The link is below in the post that begins, “whichever you prefer!”

  • Shannon Schneider

    Is there a pro biotic that you suggest as the best one?

  • el doctor

    Hi Shannon

    The number one thing you can do for all your dogs is feed a balanced, raw or lightly cooked, homemade diet.

    This will strengthen their immune systems and help avoid many of the issues that kibble or canned fed dogs are much more prone to, one of which is yeast infections!

    Dogs should be fed what they have evolved and adapted to, over the many thousands of years before the invention of commercial dog food!

    If you would like to explore that option then I would read this book;

    http://www.amazon.com/Beckers-Real-Food-Healthy-Dogs/dp/0982533128

    I think reading this book and committing to a species appropriate diet for your dogs is the single best thing you can do for them.

    One last thing, because of all the antibiotics you dog has taken, I would definitely add a multi-strain high potency probiotic to her diet, as a lot of the beneficial bacteria in her gut have been killed off by the antibiotics, and those beneficial bacteria play a leading role in a dog’s immune system

  • Babslynne
  • Wanda

    An excellent source of raw pet food is Atlantic Canada’s largest manufacturer of human grade, antibiotic- and hormone-free, frozen raw — Totally Raw Pet Food (http://www.totallyrawpetfood.com). They were established in 2003 and have a really good selection of balanced blends, ground patties, whole foods, natural supplements, dehydrated treats and lots more!

  • Shawna

    I would be cautious feeding a grind with Nupro long term as the only diet, even with the inclusion of the Nupro. It’s not balanced. Just two examples — lamb is not a good source of omega 6 linoleic acid (which is an absolute requirement in the diet). Nupro has flax seed, which is a source of omega 6 linoleic acid (but likely not enough in the small amount in the supplement) and omega 3 alpha linoleinic acid (ALA). The problem is, adult dogs are not efficient at converting ALA to EPA and then DHA. They need a source of EPA / DHA in their diet. DHA is needed for the health of the heart, eyes and brain.

    I would bet money that the ear infections were caused by a food sensitivity, which was eliminated when you changed the diet, not the carbs. I AM a raw feeder (have been for over 10 years) but I’m not opposed to small amounts of high quality carbs in the form of veggies and a very small amount of fruit — garlic, cruciferous veggies, kale, spinach, spirulina, blueberries / cranberries etc. Between my own dogs and my foster dogs I’ve had close to, if not over, 40 dogs over the last 10 years and I’ve never had a dog that couldn’t tolerate fruits and veggies however I’ve had LOTS with food sensitivities to certain foods that caused symptoms such as ear infections. Just a different perspective.

  • aimee

    Hi Shannon,

    I think Shawna’s post covered it well. Malassezia is always secondary to something else and the list from Purdue in regards to possible primary causes is a good place to start.

  • el doctor

    Hi Shannon

    Welcome to DFA! I’m sorry you’re having issues with your pup.

    There are 2 types of yeast infection in dogs, one is Malassezia and the other is Candida.

    If you do a google search for each of them, ie;

    Canine malassezia
    and
    Canine candida

    You will see that malassezia is an oil (sebum) loving yeast and that candida is a sugar digesting yeast.

    So if the yeast causing the problems is malassezia, then it probably won’t be affected by carbohydrates (sugar)

    BUT, if the yeast causing the problems is candida, then I would limit carbohydrates both externally and internally as much as possible.

    As a matter of fact, I would limit carbohydrates as much as possible in EVERY dog. Dogs evolved on a diet extremely low in carbohydrates (less than 10% of calories), and a high carbohydrate diet, as in ALL kibble and many other commercial and homemade diets is a very recent development as far as evolution goes.

    I believe that the recent (in terms of evolution) trend of high carbohydrate diets for dogs is responsible for some of the many health issues affecting the modern day dog, and I strongly suggest a low carbohydrate diet for every dog, except in very rare cases where a low carbohydrate diet may be inappropriate.

  • Shawna

    Hi Shannon,

    I agree with Aimee that Malasseizia yeast are the yeast found on the skin and ears of canines (mostly — apparently some cases of dermal candida have happened, but it’s usually Malassezia).

    That said, I agree with DogFoodie that the infection could very likely be secondary to a food sensitivity. I’ve seen that in my foster dog, who reacts to pork, and myself. I react to casein protein in dairy products. Both of us get inflammed, gunky, nasty ears. However removing the food that causes the gunk, relieves the symptoms before an infection can get a foothold.

    Here’s some interesting, in my opinion, data on the topic from Purdue university (note cerumen is the medical term for earwax) “Malassezia pachydermatis yeast frequently behaves as an opportunistic
    pathogen whenever alterations in the microclimate of the skin or ears occur. In fact, studies have
    shown that canine cerumen may enhance the growth of Malassezia yeast. Therefore, anything that
    increases the production of cerumen in the ear predisposes the pet to ear infections.

    Primary factors implicated in the cause of otitis include, parasites, foreign bodies, hypersensitivity
    disorders (allergies), keratinization disorders, auto‐immune skin disease, and glandular disorders….. Hypersensitivity
    disorders (allergies) are a common cause of ear infections. Allergies in pets often manifest themselves
    in the skin rather than the respiratory tract as happens in humans. As the ears are a part of the skin,
    they are affected by allergies.” https://www.vet.purdue.edu/vth/sacp/documents/Otitis_Externa_000.pdf

    True “allergies” are actually quite rare but food sensitivities manifest in the same symptoms as allergies. Although this may be caused by one of the other reasons mentioned in the article, by putting your pup on an elimination diet you can easily rule that out as the cause. I prefer raw for elimination diets but you certainly don’t have to go the raw route.

  • DogFoodie

    I understand that. I take my dogs to the groomer for the same reason.

    Here’s the problem, malassezia lives on the surface of every dog’s skin. In the case of your dog, there is an overgrown of the malasszeia and bathing with a special antifungal shampoo will help control the yeast. It won’t solve the problem on its own, but combined with removing the dietary triggers, it will help.

    Have you had a conversation with your vet about all of this? It seems like you have. Are they responsive to and are they addressing your concerns?

  • Shannon Schneider

    No I haven’t been bathing her in anything. I try to keep her infected area clean as possible but she is a 70 pound lab/Australian shepherd mix so I can’t lift her into the tub very easily.

  • DogFoodie

    Whichever you prefer! I’ve not been able to feed my sensitive pup a raw diet for a variety of reasons, but have still had success with kibble and a variety of canned and fresh, whole food toppers.

    The most important thing is that you have to identify the offending ingredients. Keep in mind, the problem could be almost anything, not just the animal protein. It could be the salmon, the sweet potatoes (my dog reacts to sweet potatoes, too), but it could be something else like peas, etc. You said she reacts to poultry, look at your ingredient panel and see if there is any poultry way down on the ingredient list, even chicken fat could be her problem – although, in theory, chicken fat should be fine. My dog reacts to flax. That’s why you have to try a different protein and starch.

    I’m surprised your vet hasn’t recommended a prescription diet. Not that I’m fond of the ingredients, at all, but they can be very useful. If you’re so inclined, a strict elimination diet is the best way to identify her triggers.

    Also, have you been bathing her in anything particular? An antifungal shampoo, like Malaseb, would be a good idea to help her the melassazia under control.

    In order for her to make a full recovery, you have to identify and remove her triggers. It’s not easy and she’ll take a while considering her condition is fairly advanced, but I promise, she can get better!

  • Shannon Schneider

    Ok so what can I do to help my poor dog with her inflamed ears and vaginal area? Change her diet? Not change her diet? Cleanse the area ( she is not all too happy about tags and it’s a struggle to do it? Or not cleanse the area? I know no one has the miracle answer but I am willing to try anything to help her live a better quality of life.

  • aimee

    Hi Shannon,
    i think you hit the nail on the head when you said “I know humans and canines are different,”

    I think where this comes from is that in people if they have Candida esp when in the GI tract, they are advised to decrease the carbohydrate content of the diet to decrease symptoms. Candida likes carbs.

    Yeast in dogs is Malassezia and it live on the skin surface. It feeds off of fats not carbohydrate.

    The reason your vet hasn’t heard of of carbs being a culprit with yeast is because they are vets working with Malassezia not MD’s working with Candida and carbs are not a culprit with Malassezia.

    Here is a statement from veterinary dermatology website on this myth

    “MYTH: Carbohydrates or sugar in your dog’s diet will “feed” the yeast and cause infections! “Anti-Yeast
    Diets, Anti-inflammatory Diets, Species Appropriate Diets”. Sugar
    and Carbohydrates (honey, corn syrup, tapioca, grains) must be avoided
    in the diet since they will perpetuate or cause a yeast imbalance on the
    skin.

    FACT: This is the biggest falsehood perpetuated
    by internet voices. Unfortunately, the loudest voice is a
    veterinarian. This statement has become viral among dog owners and
    these pet parents are adamant in their false belief.

    http://www.healthyskin4dogs.com/blog/2015/9/8/facts-myths-about-yeast-dermatitis-in-dogs

  • Shannon Schneider

    Anything with chicken or foul of any type seems to bother her more than others. The salmon seems to be good for her coat but hasn’t eliminated the ear and vaginal issues. She still itches and shakes her head. If a raw diet is best with adding supplements then I am all for trying it. I just don’t know what to steer clear of. Corn, wheat, what else? I went to the local pet supply store and they have the brand you suggested but is a raw diet better?

  • DogFoodie

    I think the yeast is secondary to the food sensitivity.

  • DogFoodie

    Poor thing!

    Are you aware of any specific foods that she reacts to currently?

    I think the first thing I’d do is look for a really simple, limited ingredient food. I’d choose a different protein and binder. Maybe you might look at Nature’s Variety Instinct Limited Ingredient Diets, Acana Singles, Wellness Simple or Zignature.

  • Shannon Schneider

    I talked to my vets office and they said that they have never heard of carbs being a culprit with yeast. To me it is logical. I know humans and canines are different, but we are supposed to limit carbs because it can cause yeast issues.

  • Shannon Schneider

    I have had blood work done. She has a low thyroid and is taking medication for that. I am currently feeding Grain free salmon and sweet potato formula. A combination of dry and canned. Her yeast issues have not improved with the thyroid meds unfortunately. I have some time limitations due to working full time and having 4 kids but I am willing to do just about anything to help her. Her ears and vaginal area are constantly raw :(

  • DogFoodie

    Ah ha, you do have more going on that is likely food related.

    First, has your pup had a check up and blood work recently? Any thyroid issues?

    If she checks out fine otherwise, I’d definitely make a dietary change.

    First of all, what are you currently feeding? Do you have a budget for food and do you have any limitations ie: time)?

  • Crazy4cats

    I’m sorry, I can’t answer that. I do not know what is triggering your dog’s issue. I know that eliminating the triggers and keeping the yeasty areas clean and DRY is very important. I hope you can get it cleared up. Good luck!

  • Shannon Schneider

    Hi! Thanks for the info. I will check it out. Will the formula be as good for my dogs as the grind for getting rid of the yeast issue? I know I need to stay away from carbohydrates.

  • Crazy4cats

    Hi Shannon-
    I’m not Dawn, but wanted to let you know that Primal Pet Foods has an excellent website with the information you are looking for. Basically the raw formula has fruits, veggies and vitamins mixed in it. It is complete and balanced and you would not have to add anything to it for your dog’s meals. The grind is only the muscle meat, organ meat and ground bone. It should only be used to supplement a meal or needs to have the appropriate vitamins and minerals added to it to make it a complete and balanced meal. Hope this helps. Check out the Primal site! They offer three different types of formulas all in a variety of protein sources.

  • Shannon Schneider

    What is the difference in the Raw Grind and the Raw Formula? My dog is elderly (almost 13). I want to be sure she is getting the proper nutrition. Will the Nutro do all that? Thanks!

  • Shannon Schneider

    Hi! Yes I have had her to the vet many times. As she has gotten older (13) she has developed pockets in the fatty tissue around her vaginally area. They hold in moisture and yeast has developed. The vet has found some bacteria in cultures he has done so he had prescribed antibiotics. The infection clears up but the yeast remains and the vet just keeps prescribing antibiotics. She has had issues of yeast in her ears and hot spots for a long time now. I have switched her to a limited ingredient diet and it hasn’t really helped much. She still smells musty and shakes her head and itches quite and bit and now the vaginal issues. I am willing to try anything to help her at this point. I also have two male cocker spaniels that have skin and ear issues. I am hoping a raw diet will help them all.

  • DogFoodie

    Have you addressed this issue with your vet and had your pup examined? Has your vet ruled out a UTI or bladder crystals or stones?

    I have a Cavalier with a tucked vulva. She was a rescue and was also spayed at a young age, unfortunately, as this can be a contributing factor to a tucked (recessed) vulva. As a result of her condition, she tends to lick herself if she’s not kept clean and dry, and she has developed vaginitis previously. She doesn’t have any food sensitivities or yeast issues. It’s there a possibility the same thing could be going on with your pup?

  • Dawn Solomon
  • Dawn Solomon

    Hi, I happen to be online a lot this evening so your in luck! :):):) So, you will need to go to Primalpetfoods.com, or call them to find out which pet store in your area you can make a special order from. The pet stores usually dont carry this item so you have to go in a pre order it. The Nupro pet vitamin came from Vitacost.com. My favorite place to shop for supplements online. You can find out more about Nupro http://www.nuprosupplements.com/nupro-dog-supplement.html, I add 4-9 scoops per pound of grind.

  • Shannon Schneider

    Thank you for replying so quickly. I am going to try that as soon as I can find the Raw Primal Grind and the Nupro. Do you know where I can find it? I will check with our local pet supply place but I am not sure they will have this.

  • Dawn Solomon

    Thanks, I went with them and I use the grinds. Thank you~!

  • Dawn Solomon

    I went with the Primals Raw grind mix. After much trial and error I finally have found soemthing for my muffin. I use the lamb grind (a mix of meat, organ and ground bone) and add the supplement “Nupro” to it. I can’t tell you how hard it is to find a dog supplement that isn’t full of sugar! I special order to mix from a local pet food store and the Nupro from Vitacost.com. The meat is 40$ for 5 pounds. and the supplement is 11$ for a pound. My 9 pound dog only needs 1/3-1/2 cup a day, and it pays for itself because no more ear infections! Good luck! :)

  • Dawn Solomon

    HI Shannon, I finally found something that has HEALED my dogs yeast problem. I Use two items. One is the “Primal Grind” raw dog food and “Nupro” dog supplement. My dog is allergic to beef (common in dogs) and so I use the lamb grind. She is a 9 pound maltipoo so she only needs 1/3-1/2 cup of food per day. Her ear infections, nasty cornchip smell, paw-chewing, scratching, hot spots are all gone. It took about week for her tummy to get used to the new food, but all is well. Basically, don’t give your dogs anything that will feed the yeast. No starches of ANY KIND. Dogs are carnivores and don’t need fruit or yams. Every now and then I will give her a bit of spinach or raw egg. The Primal Grind is a mix of raw meat, ground bone and organ. All you need to do is add the supplment. I went with Nupro because it all I could find that didnt have sugar or crap in it. Raw PRimal grind + Nupro. Good luck!

  • Shannon Schneider

    Hi, my dog is having terrible yeast issues in her vaginal area. What Raw Food would you recommend? I am willing to try anything to help her feel better.

  • Christian

    Check Raw Feeding Miami

  • duke6024

    This was really good also I take a probiotic capsule it said good for dogs I will look into this thanks

  • scarletbegonia
  • JJGMA

    My Pekingese has been on Darwin’s raw duck meat for a couple of years and as a result she no longer has nasty lesions all over her skin and she doesn’t have the digestive issues she used to have as well.

  • Ryan Owelle

    I would look up a freeze dried option for your guy! I just got the Primal Pronto Duck for my 3 month old French Bulldog. I decided to give it to her cold turkey because she has had tummy issues the past couple days and with so many benefits from the raw I wanted to go ahead and get it in rotation. I was also deciding between Nature’s Variety and went with Primal because they offer more Organic ingredients. BUT I have heard great things about NV too. There is also the Stella & Chewy’s brand raw food as well.

  • Dawn Solomon

    And another. In 12 minutes you will learn a years worth of Dog Nutrition! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3wLTlqnMMg

  • Dawn Solomon

    This is a REALLY GOOD ONE TO WATCH! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0-9JxN-gZ4

  • Dawn Solomon

    Hi Kee Kee. I just ordered the “Primal Raw Grind Lamb” it is a tube of ground organs, meat and bone. I will be adding Nupro dog supplement to it along with some green veggies like: spinach, seaweed, kale etc. Anything green. No starches! No fruits! No grains! No pumpkin, sweet potatoes, cranberries… All that stuff feed yeast in dogs and makes them sick! I promise you that if you take your dog off of all forms of starch you will see a major and obvious turnaround in your dog in less than a month. For my dog it took about a week and a half for her hot spots to go away, the paw chewing, the constant itching and scrathcing, the yeasty smell (cornchip smell) the ear infections, and her poo went back to nice little hard rock-like poo’s. Her breath does not smell, and she is very happy. I was making everything from scratch, grining the meat, adding in the bone poweder etc., but wanted to skip these steps. Most dogs are allergic to beef, mine was so you need to try whats called a “novel protien” this means introducing a SINGLE new protien to her diet that she hasn’t had so therefore she wont be allergic to it. Dr. Becker is a life saver and taught me all I know about the real way to feed my little carnivore. Watch her videos, also if you want to pick my brain more feel free to reply. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gl_X1I1GJ1Q

  • Lipstic

    Both Tolden Farms and Big Country Raw are amazing. Just make sure you do your research first and understand what your particular dog needs. TF has a buying program that at present never expires. BCR delivers to your door free for orders over $200. Both have amazing customer service as well.

  • Kee Kee

    Starches are bad for “haired” dogs? I have a BG….she’s having such bad food intolerance. I didn’t know starches are bad for her. I would love to know what food you decide on.

  • SandyandMila

    Have you checked out Vital Essentials? There are reviews on this website for VE.

  • Dawn Solomon

    Not true, ACV actually has yeast in it and can make the problem worse. The only way I have found by experince to rid a dog of yeast, is to remove that which feeds yeast which is dietary carbohydrates. Metabolically, all carbs become sugars in mammals disgestive tracks which are then absorbed into the system and feeds yeast through the skin. I’m just on the market for something pre made, which I did find through Primal Dog Food company. They sell a raw grind that has meat, organs and bone ground up. I will add supplements and thats it. Starches are bad for a lot of dogs. especially haired ones like my Maltese-poodle. But thanks for the input!

  • Dawn Solomon

    Thank You very much!

  • Montana Friend
  • Teresa

    If you are worried about yeast infections, add 1 teaspoon a day of raw, unpasteurized apple cider vinegar, it will stop that.

  • Cassandra

    I have a 4 year old male English Bulldog and I am switching him to raw, today I am going to try Natures Variety Instinct raw rabbit. The reason why I am switching is he is always seems itchy, licking and scratching himself to the point his white brindle coat is turning red from saliva. I tried shampoos, vitamins, coconut oil… nothing is changing. He is or was currently eating the Costco brand fish dry dog food, he seemed fine with it BUT… his poop is as big as a Chihuahua ( not even kidding here ) and it smells soooooo bad!! his previous owners were feeding this and strongly recommended we stick with it. Now I decided to change it to see if I can help him be more comfortable. Does anyone maybe know of another great brand that makes raw and freezes it?? Any information, tips will be greatly appreciated.

  • Jaye Williams Rouse

    vital essentials maybe

  • Crazy4cats

    Check out Primal raw pet food.

  • Dawn Solomon

    I had the same issue. Its the starch! Take your dog off of ALL forms of starch. Potatoes, oatmeal, fruit. Feed your dog only a diet of meat and low carb veggies like spinach, seaweeds, lettuces, kale etc. I solved my dogs yeast problem this way. This lady will explain everything, it changed my life with my mini poodle! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gl_X1I1GJ1Q

  • Dawn Solomon

    Is there ANY Raw dog food on the market that does NOT have fruit, honey, pumpkin, sweet potatos in it? I am looking for a truly NO STARCH raw food, just meat and vitamins. Apples, cranberries, pumpkin all feed yeast. If anyone knows of raw food on the market that does not have this in it please reply to this post. Thanks! :)

  • anniebeebananie

    My dog does not have allergy problems, but I switched him to a raw diet of frozen meats and organic produce, simply because I saw 2 dogs I knew personally lose their allergy problems when switching to a raw diet. I’ve been doing it almost 4 years, it is not very hard. Just requires more trips to the store to keep fresh meat in the freezer. I’d definitely give it a shot for a couple months and see if it helps!!!
    Also, one of these dogs had environmental allergies, and the raw diet still kept the symptoms away.

  • Kathleen

    I have a two year old Rotty bitch she’s had allergie symptoms such as chewing her feet loss of hair around her eyes itching thickning of her ears. I’ve had her on the Blue Buffalo grain free turkey & potato.
    She seems to do Ok and then she’ll have a relapse. She is a show dog and this is very frustrating for us and I’m sure uncomfortable for her. I’ve taken her to my vet he felt it was yeast related and suggested using melasab shampoo. Still had the same symptoms so I recently took her to a specialist. She did skin scrappings and found yeast and bacteria. So she’s on antibiotics & medication for the yeast also changed her diet to Kangaroo & Oatmeal. Trying to decide if it’s food or environmental allergies. We’re on week 2 however I’m wondering if a raw diet would be a better option in her case.

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  • viktorya

    Stepping away from raw food, couldn’t help noticing that you are into homeopathy. I assume you use it on your pets? I have 10 mo Landseer (newfoundland) she had UTI and I used chinese herbs and it worked. Do you practice homeopathy commercially? could you be contacted for advice? Thanks

  • Meaghan

    Hi There,

    I feed tollden to my Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever. He LOVES it and is in excellent shape. He has been on tollden patties for nearly 3 years now (since I got him) and I love the convenience of the food as well as how shiny it keeps his coat. Nothing but good things to say about this company!

  • gemma shepherd

    Hello Joyce,
    I’ll cut to the chase here, I’ve been studying Homeopathy for well over 20 years and have a 95% success rate. My advice to you is to immediately put your ‘Cushings’ dog on a raw diet. Raw chicken carcass (raw chicken bones are soft so are safe to chew) is a great starter. DO NOT cook the meat. DO NOT feed commercially produced dog food or treats, moist or dry. The puppy should stay on raw. Give her chicken, beef, turkey, rabbit, tripe or lamb but NOT dry food. Commercially produced food, regardless of its name and who makes it contain insufficient nutrients for their system and will compromise them. Your Cushings dog would benefit from a tablespoon of coconut oil and a fish oil capsule a day (not cod liver), also homeopathic Calc Carb at 30c potency. If you need more information, please please contact me: I don’t charge for information and obviously can’t annalyse everyone but just read your post by chance and felt you needed help. [email protected].

  • Chelsea Ann Mackenzie

    You’d be surprised, just how bad the royal canine diet is.. I would feed my dogs food off the shelf before feeding my dogs royal canine. This is my personal opinion, some benefit from it I guess this would be why the vets recommend it. I also had my vet tell me, he’s expected to sell their product but he chooses to be honest with his clients. He’d told me the higher end brands you get in the pet stores here in Canada ( Acana,Orijen, Fromm. and many more.

    I own a frenchie who has had breast cancer, she had it before i adopted her so know nothing of her history. She came to me with horrible skin infection, Majorly over weight, pretty much a walking vet bill. I switched her back on raw and the benefits she and my pitbull(also has seasonal allergies) is amazing. Their Coat the alertness, their poops, everything all around great.. and i was happy with the kibble they were on but.. I worked with dogs and the other co workers fed their dogs raw along with the owner. I also had a groomer that was there tell me she fed only her boxer raw as their prone to cancer and less likely to get cancers from raw feeding.

    You can purchase pre mixes this is one of the sites, for preground (barf) here in Canada. Gives some information too. I can bet all your dogs will benefit from this diet! Good Luck!

    http://www.mountaindogfood.com/home.html#&panel1-1

  • Welsh

    I’m sorry for the loss of your dogs. I lost two dogs within a few months in 2013 one with cancer and the other with kidney failure who were both far from old age (fed Purina One and Iams). I’ve gone through the same quest for food that won’t cause disease with my current two. Veterinarian Dr. Karen Becker’s website is really helpful on this. Suggest a variety of protein sources in your dogs diet. I’ve fed Blue Buffalo grain free and Merrick grain free. I like both but feel like the Merrick is slightly better with higher protein if you want kibble. If you can afford raw, I’d definitely feed that or feed it some of the time. Next choice would be Freshpet Select (Target, Walmart, grocery stores). My dogs eat Instinct raw frozen or Stella and Chewys raw frozen one meal each day and then either Freshpet Select refrigerated or Merrick grain free kibble the other meal. If you make your own raw, you have to be really careful so I use the frozen meals which are already properly balanced. You have to thaw before serving (breakfast in the refrigerator before bed). Raw Pros – makes for a very healthy dog with shinny coat; they love it; much smaller poop output; poop has virtually no smell; harder stools squeeze anal glands as intended so you don’t end up with that smell or scooting behavior (or vet visits). Compare prices on raw as Petco and Petsmart are 20-25% more than what I pay at a local store called Andersons. Frozen Raw seems to be one item where the smaller boutiques are actually less.

  • Joyce Byer

    I recently lost 2 dogs due to chronic health problems. Now my 3rd 8 yr old mini poodle has been diagnosed with cushing’s disease. I have been on a waiting list for a mini poodle puppy which I will pick up 11/19. I have read everything I can get ahold of to understand the melanoma of the mouth that killed my mini poodle. Everything I have found points to kibble which she was only fed the best royal canine low residue. My poodle with cushing’s is also on this diet mixed with cooked chicken. What the breeder has fed my puppy was raw and when I pick her up she will be on blue buffalo grain free. I have read neg things about this company not keeping with the standards that they claim to. Sorry this is so long but I don’t know if it is wise to switch a puppy’s diet 3x’s in 10 wks? I am considering raw for both dogs and I thank everyone for the helpful posts re:learning how to balance their diets. I also have spent a week viewing the happy healthy dog summit which I highly recommend it. Many of the articles recommend on this site were featured speakers in this series. I welcome your thoughts or recommendations. I am so angry at the patterns of health problems in our beloved pets! I have vowed to not take it anymore!
    Joyce

  • theBCnut

    Try doing some more research into balancing his meals and making homemade dog food.

  • bcb

    does he ever get a chance to eat at fresh field grasses? I think this is a much overlooked need of dogs and cats. sounds like you may be over working him a bit, and being over fussy, if they are like their ancestors they like to fast, and await a new catch of food, rather than our conventional lifestyles

  • Crazy4dogs

    You’re welcome! :)

  • Crystal Coll

    Thank you for this link.

  • speak of mind

    Educate yourself before using raw diets: Some things might be good, but not all is: https://www.thewebinarvet.com/webinar/feeding-raw-food-diets-to-dogs-and-cats-what-the-evidence/
    Extremely concern about things w my little one: http://skeptvet.com/Blog/2013/05/evidence-update-homemade-diet-recipes-for-your-pet-are-unreliable/

  • Crazy4dogs

    Have you looked at the Balanceit website? They will create recipes based on your dog’s specific needs and work with the vet’s tests, etc.

    https://secure.balanceit.com/

    I’m not sure if these will help, and you may have already seen these, but here are a couple of sites regarding liver disease and liver diets.

    http://www.dogaware.com/health/liver.html

    http://drjeandoddspethealthresource.tumblr.com/post/84917675696/dog-liver-dysfunctions-diet#.VhetpuxViko

  • Crystal Coll

    It is his alt. They stay down with raw diet, milk thistle,vitamin e, and fish oil. If I put him on kibble even the best they shoot up in the crazy levels. He also gets multi vitamin and a powdered probiotic prebiotic mixture

  • Crystal Coll

    Thank you. Great ideas.

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  • Kathleen

    This sounds like exactly what I had experienced with my then 1 year old Brussels Griffon. He suffered from bouts of severe diarrhea every 2 months for almost a year. We suspected giardia. When a bout started we would switch him immediately to rice and boiled chicken (he was eating high quality kibble at the time) and would always end up having to take him to the vet for metronidazole and probiotics– the metro was all that would stop it. After 8 months of this routine we decided on a few things– first, to switch to boiled ground turkey and rice rather than chicken and then to move him over to a raw diet. It turned out that he had developed a chicken intolerance (we believe because of the compromised gut health from the suspected giardia as well as the metro). Scratching can be a sign of food intolerances in dogs. He improved immediately. Once he stabilized and was off the last round of metro we got him off of the rice and boiled turkey over to the raw. Switched him right over to raw turkey (Big Country Raw) and eventually added in tripe then over to mixes with veg and fruit. That was over a year ago. He has been great since! We have discovered one other protein intolerance since (buffalo of all things!) but the beauty of raw is that you realize right away because of the limited ingredients. Any bouts of diarrhea were quickly stopped with 12-24 of fasting and then switching him back to pure turkey raw. Good luck! This was a stressful battle for us!

  • colette

    Hi Suzette,
    What type of raw meat were you feeding your dog? Were you feeding her veggies as well?Bones, liver, etc?

  • Crazy4dogs

    Is his ALT high? If so, you might want to look up milk thistle dosage to bring the values down. It works with the sam-e. I have done this successfully with a couple of my dogs. You can check with your vet on using milk thistle.

    I generally feed less than the recommended guidelines. Guidelines are just that, a guide. You need to adjust up or down, depending on your dog’s activity and metabolism. There is a dog food calculator on this site. You also need to add in the calories of any treats or additional food given to that daily total.

    http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-feeding-tips/dog-food-calculator/

    Good luck!

  • Crystal Coll

    How do you determine the calories your dog needs on raw diets. My guy is a 16 pound miniature American shepherd with idiopathic high liver enzymes. I have been feeding cooked oats raw carrots raw chicken and raw green beans fish oil raw apple cider vinegar and vitamin e and Sam e to keep numbers down. Any kibble shoots numbers high and he gets fat very easy if I do feed the amount of calories in kibble suggested. I don’t feel like his diet is complete. Switching things up may benefit him. Once a week I give raw liver in place of chicken. Need some help please.

  • Puptection Chi

    I would add more veggie to his diet. Also try a multi vitamin. I use a dog detox.. Here is a link to doggie detox:

    http://www.puptection.com/portfolio/nutraceuticals-101/detoxifying-your-pet

  • Bryan Shoebridge

    I have a Bull Arab/ Dalmatian. He has a diet of raw steak, mince, cooked chicken thigh, liver (only a couple of times a week) lamb heart, chicken necks, sardines, tuna, veg ,rice, pasta. He doesn’t get all this in one hit, I try to vary the ingredients to keep meal time interesting. once a week he’ll have a small amount of milk with an egg in it plus I will put a beaten egg on his meal once a week. He will get a bone twice a week as well.I don’t feed him tin food and he occasionally gest some dry food (put not fussed) unless I mix them up with the mince. Sometimes I go to feed him and he just looks at it and walks away. Dose anyone have an idea why this might be. He is only 2n1/2 and sometimes when I walk him into Airlie Beach which would be 6n1/2kms round trip he can become a little lethargic on the way home. (We only do that once a week all other days he is exercised twice with approx 2-3 kms each time) He’s had all his shots and has an annual vet check up. Any advice or comments would be appreciated as I really love him and he gets the best care. ( I rescued him from the RSPCA and he was previously abused). He’s loyal loving and perfect.

  • Suzette

    I am a big believer in raw and have fed for 11 years. However, one of my dogs came down with severe pancreatitis and had chronic pancreatitis after that for years. I tried multiple raw diets because I wanted to keep her on raw but it did not work for her. I woul try a raw then get her blood spun and it would be full of fat. I had to keep her on royal canin gastrointestinal low fat which I hated. But it was the only food that kept her at baseline with flare ups that I could usually manage with medications and avoid hospitalizations. She had chronic pancreatitis bad and was on a liver and gallbladder human medication for the last 2 years of her life. I lost her to bladder cancer at the beginning of the year. Good luck. Pancreatitis was so stressful for me and always worrying that she was having a flare up. I was so rigorous is making sure she got nothing but her food. Even boiled chicken and fish oil gave her flare ups. She wasn’t happy about not getting treats, but I know she would have succumbed to pancreatitis if I wouldn’t have been so strict about it.

  • stacy bergquist

    Hi, I’m thinking of switching my dogs to a Raw Diet. They are currenlty eating Honest Kitchen, which is a wonderful dog food, but my one is still have issues due to pancretitis and necrosis even though she is being fed the lowest fat content food that they offer, which is 6% crude fat. Any suggestions on a low fat RAW diet?

  • Matt Staton

    hi,
    i used to work at a place that sold tollden. decent prices, good quality food, lots of protein options and lots of formula options from meat + veg to meat + bone and meat + organ and everywhere inbetween. definitely a good one! only really comes in patties ( i think they’re 1/4 each)

  • el doctor

    Hi Pat

    I don’t look at fat just by itself. In dry foods, this would be my ideal breakdown by calories:

    Protein – At least 35% of calories
    Fat – No more than 40% of calories
    Carbs – below 30% of calories

    In frozen raw or cooked foods I would look for:

    Protein – At least 40% of calories
    Fat – No more than 50% of calories
    Carbs – No more than 15% of calories.

    Hope this helps 😉

  • Pat

    what is considered too high in fat?

  • Jessica Theberge

    Has anyone tried tollden farm patties for their dogs? I’m considering switching from acana dog food to the tollden farm patties. Thanks!

  • el doctor

    Your very welcome, and welcome to DFA 😉

  • Irene Woodward

    Thanks, el doctor, I appreciate your answer and you have given me some things to consider!

  • el doctor

    I would go very slowly and start by transitioning them to a properly balanced, cooked, homemade diet. I hope this is an option because it would eliminate any chances of their gut’s not being able to handle the increased bacterial load of a raw diet. It would also greatly improve the quality of their diet.

    There are commercial dehydrated options but most of them have a very high fat content. The Honest Kitchen makes some very high quality dehydrated dog foods. I would look through their offerings for the grain-free options with the highest protein levels.

    I don’t know of any fresh cooked type dog foods, so I can’t comment on that option. But I would again look at the fat content, not more than 40% of calories and a high protein content, not less than 35% of calories.

    Good Luck!

  • Irene Woodward

    For many years I raised Cavalier King Charles Spaniels. Now I have my last two girls living out their golden years with me. They are litter sisters and will both be 12 this month. They were raised on raw diet until about 6 years ago…(I got lazy). They both have heart issues(common for Cavaliers), on meds, and I’m wondering about changing them back to raw for their last few years. I’m worried that changing their diet change will be too much of an upset for them at this age. Currently they are eating Taste of the Wild” dry. Are they too old/bad health to switch?

  • hoohoolianFUCLA

    Hi C4D,

    Thanks for responding.

    I appreciate the 3 articles (3rd link led to “bad page”)

    I have already read quite a bit on raw diets. My main question about input and output WAS answered in your 2nd link:

    “Raw food diets usually produce small, hard balls of poop that are easily passed and turn white and crumble and blow away in a day or so if you forget to pick them up. This is totally normal.”

    This info (raw food produces much smaller poops) has been in many of the items I have read, but without the words, “small, hard balls.” This leads me to conclude that the 5% of food intake being all the poo he yields to be the proper amount. I am still curious as to why doubling the weight of each meal with white rice has not increased the amount of poo. The bone ratio input to sandy poo output seems to be fine with my current recipe above.

    As to your comments on my recipe lacking some nutrition, I am tweaking the recipe, but there ARE many who are committed to straight raw chicken. I will add various veggies into each week’s blend, including small amounts of garlic.

    I like your suggestion to add water to his food. Brisco does not drink after eating as our previous dogs have – but the previous dogs were eating dry food. The dark urine has subsided these last few days as I have been offering him water regularly during our 60-minute walks/rabbit chases each
    morning and evening. I also praise him when he drinks or pees.

    Thanks again for the discussion.

  • Dori

    Primal Formula’s or Pronto, Answer’s Detailed, Darwin’s, OC Raw, Nature’s Logic, Steve’s Real Dog Food. Darwin’s will deliver to your home, so will Steve’s Real Raw Dog Food. I think I’m forgetting a couple of other’s that I have in rotation. I rotate brands and proteins with the exception of any fowl.

  • Pitlove

    Are you able to order online? Try Darwin’s.

  • Crazy4dogs

    The problem with homemade diets is that they are very often nutritionally unbalanced. It sounds like you’re kind of just throwing things together. If you’re going to make your own food, the best thing you can do is to research homemade diets and choose one that is actually based on a dog’s nutritional needs, otherwise your dog may be deficient in vitamins and minerals and you won’t see the problem until it’s serious. Are you supplementing with some type of balanced vitamin?

    Here are a couple of links to homemade diets:

    http://dogaware.com/articles/wdjhomemade2.html

    http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2013/04/15/raw-food-diet-part-3.aspx

    http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2011/09/01/serious-mistake-with-pets-raw-food.aspx

    http://peterdobias.com/blogs/blog/11014993-what-veggies-are-good-for-dogs

    There are several books that have balanced diets for dogs and Whole Dog Journal has a lot of advice and recipes. You can also check the forum side of DFA as there is a lot of discussion on that side.

    Las Vegas is pretty hot and dry. Dark yellow urine is generally a sign of dehydration. You could add water to the food to increase moisture. I wouldn’t play with salting the food as you may create other issues, Salt is necessary, but only as a balanced supplement in the correct ratio.

  • Jazmin

    Hi, I just got an English bulldog, breeder said she was feeding her pedigree which to be honest I don’t believe her since her coat was so beautiful I think she was in a raw diet because of a comment the breeder told me, I’ve already tried taste of the wild,earthbound holistic, and some of the merrick can food she won’t eat, at all!!!!! Its very frustrating but my last hope is to try the raw, now which one ? Thanks!!!

  • hoohoolianFUCLA

    I make my own for about $1/day. I am using a simple recipe: 1 whole raw chicken with some of the fat removed (I remove the huge fat clumps at the entrance to the body cavity, cut up whole flesh and grind the skin and bones), 4-6 pan-cooked eggs, shells ground up with the bones and varying amounts of white rice. I added a raw carrot to the last batch.

    Leg portions seemed to be too bone-heavy (with the 1/2 back), yielding sandy poo. Just using thighs resulted in the runs; not enough bone. Double bone thighs was good (I ate 1/2 the meat). Whole chicken without the back, ribs and wings seems to be working very well. (I love wings, but wing tips are ground into dog food as they are a VERY important source of good cartilage).

    My 60-pound Border Collie is a well-mannered, aggressive chaser. I have been varying the mix to find the right blend. after fasting and incremental introduction, he still had the runs for 4-5 days. increased % of ground bones have now solidified stools.

    My big concern at this point is that he does not pass stools regularly. I would say that 16oz of the chicken-bone-egg food, fed 8oz in morning/8oz in evening with some rice, yields 4-5 gumballs of hard poo. I have increased the rice to 50% of each meal (by weight) in hopes of more poo, but the result over the last 2 days remains the same.

    Is this ratio of food-in/poo out proper? His energy is continues to be…well…typical of a border collie.

    Further, I am concerned that his pee is dark yellow. I cannot force him to drink; should I salt his food? We live in Las Vegas.

  • Pitlove

    Hi Sarah- It’s because there is no review for it period. If you would like to see a review and rating of this food, use this link to submit a request for a review:

    http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/contact-us/suggest-dog-food-review/

    Not sure how fast you will see a review as Dr. Mike has a lot of requests for reviews on the newer foods coming out, but this is where you would start.

  • Sarah Coppard

    I notice Mountain Dog Food is not on the list .. any reasons why? My dogs have been on this raw food for a couple years and love it.

  • Dolores Bello

    HAS ANYONE TRIED ALL PROVIDE RAW.

  • Gus Morgan

    @kerrybirtles:disqus Please do your research before starting raw food diet. Puppies require more frequent feeding and have different needs than adult dogs. Also, dogs do not require fruits and vegetables for nutrition so try finding your own sources for human grade meat rather than use commercial raw food which can contain a lot of unnecessary carbohydrates that dogs do not need. I would recommend a few sources that I used when starting raw feeding: read Lew Olson’s Raw and Natural Nutrition for Dogs: The Definitive Guide to Homemade Meals and check out her newsletters: https://www.b-naturals.com/newsletter/. Also, check out Mary Straus’s website: http://www.dogaware.com.

  • CJ3

    We took in another dob so my raw food bill will be double now….can anyone tell me if they know what service is most cost effective (still good quality)…currently we use Darwins. Thsnks!

  • thereisacreator

    DO not just feed your dog raw chicken. Commercial raw dog food diets should include organic vegetable and fruits (no grains) as they provide antioxidants and vitamins.

    First, you need to find out what the breeder is feeding the dog. A good breeder should be feeding the puppies good dog food. If you decide to switch the puppy to a raw diet, you have to do it very slowly adding a small amount of raw to the current diet and slowly removing the old dog food (will take about 2 weeks). If you don’t do this you get rewarded by very loose stools.

    You can choose a raw diet (either frozen that you thaw or freeze-dried that you reconstitute with water) by selecting chicken or lamb only which is easier to digest. Primal Freeze Dried Nuggets (chicken) can be crumbled over current dog food to introduce without reconstituting. Raw dog food is not cheap so many people combine both a good kibble and raw freeze dried. Every dog food has directions on how much to feed–particularly for puppies and then when they are about 18 months old, by weight to maintain their weight.

    .

  • aquariangt

    Sounds like you want to go prey model, i’d definitely do a ton, ton, ton of research to get that down correctly for a puppy, but especially a large breed. Try asking on the forum side in the large and giant breed puppy nutrition thread, and maybe Hound Dog Mom or another homemade raw feeder will see it and be able to respond.

  • aimee

    If I were to feed raw to a puppy I’d use a commercial product that is HPP and has been through feeding trials for growth. Feeding mistakes during growth have dire consequences.

  • Kerry Birtles

    Hi there, I am getting a Shar Pei puppy that is 13weeks old. I want to feed it a raw diet.

    I am going to start on chicken, first question:
    How much do I feed it per day?
    Do I feed it chicken quarters and how often?
    Also, what age does it become adult and then how much should I feed it, how often and how much per day?
    Thanks in advance

  • Vishwas

    Hello, I have a year old GSD and I want to move her to a completely raw food diet. She is now on Merritt dry dog food. I have moved to India, where I can get fresh cut meat delivered every day. Where do I begin, and what else do I add to the fresh cut meat. The delivery guy can give me a combination of liver/thighs/breasts etc. But I need to know if I should feed her anything more. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

  • Enya Walsh

    Would getting their patties be any cheaper? You’d have to let them thaw some. And finding a cheaper supplier, or one that doesn’t charge as much for shipping, could trim costs. wag.com is the cheapest I’ve found — they don’t carry Primal’s full line, but they may have what you want.

  • Crazy4dogs

    I often buy the 5 lb chubs of Bravo Balance since it’s a better value with big dogs. I let them thaw just slightly so I can get a knife started.
    I don’t think a circular saw would work, but an electric knife might.
    If you have a reciprocating saw and new blades, that might work.

  • Nik Kecyk

    When I bought the 5lb chubs I would let them thaw about 50% of the way and then I would eye up 5 portions as my dog gets a pound per meal. Two chubs would last me approx 5 days. I’ve gone thru the beef and the chicken varieties and still I am drawn back to their bags with the one ounce cubes. Just easier to handle and my dog doesn’t even let it thaw. She just chews down the frozen one ounce nuggets no problem.

  • Enya Walsh

    Primal has the grinds, which are only muscle, organ, bone; mixes, which have some supplementation; and formulas, that are complete and balanced diets — according to their web site. Formulas come in 8 ounce patties. Pronto options are their formulas in kibble size. Works much better than the eight ounce chunks I just got from Darwin’s, I suspect. But then an 8 oz. chunk is easier than a 2 or 5 pound chub.

    I don’t like to thaw and refreeze meat. I wonder if I could cut a frozen chub roll with a circular saw.

  • Nik Kecyk

    Funny you say that because I’m currently feeding the Primal Pronto!! She loves it and have no issues at all. The chub they sell is an 85% meat, organ, and bone, and 15% produce. It’s cheaper per pound but isn’t a complete and balanced diet. Their Pronto formula is 77% meat, organ, bone and 23% produce and supplements. A few more dollars per pound but an absolute convenience and a great product all together. I’ve been in contact with Primal and asked if they were gonna make bigger sizes of products but the 3 lb and 4 lb bags are where their profit margins are best. I inquired about 10lb or 20lb bags and they said it would be too expensive for them to produce and too expensive to be sold. But yeah, glad you mentioned that because it’s exactly what I use.

  • Enya Walsh

    I know I’m late to the party but 80/20 raw ground beef (just muscle meat) is not a balanced source of beef. Mixing it with kibble and raw eggs doesn’t make up for deficiencies — unless you are feeding a kibble formula designed for supplementation of raw muscle, and I’ve never heard of such a thing.

    I’m frequently tempted to do a little of everything and cross my fingers, but a better source of beef would be a Primal mix or grind. wag.com has reasonable shipping rates.

  • Enya Walsh

    Darwin’s web site shows a lower percentage of their dog food is meat. It doesn’t mean that it’s bad, I just got their sample pack today, and all that raw formula frozen dog food for $14.95 is a steal! I am definitely trying it out!

    You can get Primal Raw from wag.com or amazon.com with either $5.99 or free shipping, depending on the size of your order. At those prices, it’s all worth trying!

  • Chelsea Lynn

    Never ever feed raw and kibble together!! They are digested completely differently. When you feed raw your dogs stomach enzymes that break down food actually change to break down the raw (which is easier on their stomach to digest). When you add kibble your dogs stomach has to work extra hard to digest and gets confused because the enzymes are now there to break down raw. Kibble is harder on a dog to digest especially once they are on raw. Do your research because it will all say never ever feed together! It’s not good for your dog or their stomach. It’s a huge no no when feeding raw!!!!

  • Caroline Capobianco

    I started out mixing canned and kibble, then moved to dehydrated/freeze dried and kibble, then to raw and kibble. My dog was able to handle it fine. Some dogs tummies are easily upset and other are not. I would just start mixing things in slowly. It would be beneficial to add a digestive enzyme and probiotic combo at mealtimes too to help with digestion.

  • Crazy4cats

    I also feed raw and kibble together as well as canned and kibble together with no digestive upset.

  • Steve

    I place raw Darwin’s and Orijen kibble in the food bowl together everyday and have for nearly a year. I just described this in another post yesterday on this site’s forums.

  • http://www.aranmorems.com Fiona Macken

    never mix raw and kibble…at least, that’s what I’ve heard. The digestion rates for each are different and can upset your dogs balance

  • Doglover

    Grain is a key issue, with allergies, corn sits growing molds in silos, pets are given feed grade food, often pet food is not rotated before we buy it. It’s sad that FDA now has taken the right to say our pet food is human grade on a package, because they don’t want to explain that feed grade is what everyone is getting .

  • nicole

    If I want to mix dry food and raw food for my Shetland Sheepdog, what is the best way to do so? I plan to feed him mainly with dry food then maybe wet food once a week and raw food once a week. I think then he could get full range of nutrients from different types of food, but I also bit worry about the way will get him a upsad digest system. Should I mix his food?

  • JeremyScott10

    Thanks so much el doctor. And no, unfortunately I am not the designer.

  • el doctor

    I’m actually working on a website now. Just click on my profile for my info

  • el doctor

    Hi JeremyScott10

    Not at the moment. Does your name have anything to do with the designer?

  • JeremyScott10

    el doctor, do you have a website? thanks.

  • Crazy4cats

    I’m not!

  • Crazy4dogs

    Bobby dog and DogFoodie have given you some good advice. Metranidazole is the treatment for Giardia. Sulfadimethoxine is for Coccidia. They can be difficult to diagnose and you can get a negative fecal if the Giardia is not shedding. Did your vet do a float fecal or did it get sent to the Lab for a specific test? Being in a day care environment can result in parasites.
    In regard to food, overfeeding often causes loose stool. You could try to slowly mix a small portion of his food in with the chicken and rice. If the diarrhea comes back when it’s a mix, I would switch to a different food.

  • DogFoodie

    Like your first thought, it’s probably that he’s reacting to some ingredient in the food you were feeding.

    Also, how much are you feeding? Over-nutrition is one of the leading causes of loose stool.

  • Charles Junior

    Yes Bob, negative stool sample..I’m perplexed.. Why would his stool be normal on rice and chicken but not on kibble??

  • Bobby dog

    Hi Charles:
    Have you had your puppy specifically tested for Giardia and Coccidia? Here’s some info on both:
    http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&A=2386&S=0&EVetID=3001644

    http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&A=680&S=0&EVetID=3001644

  • Charles Junior

    So I have a lab/shep mix, 8 months old, 55 lbs to date, will grow close to 80-90 lbs. I have had him on Wellness puppy dry food since I adopted him.. He goes to doggy daycare during the week while I work, unfortunately have no choice with my schedule, but he loves it there. So he has had intermittent diarrhea on and off for months. Recently took him to vet, he was put on metronidazole and a probiotic. I rested him with rice and boiled chicken, his stool resumes to normal within a day or two. I continue with chicken/rice diet, then resume his Wellness kibble, then boom diarrhea. I notice he scratches a lot and he is on a preventative and no signs of fleas. I think he is having a reaction to dry food. I am thinking about raw diet. Gonna go back to rice and chicken for a bit, then try raw diet. Any suggestions on how to implement this diet?? Thank you..

  • http://theuglypugglyboutique.com/ sandy

    You would need to contact Primal for their typical analysis of the formulas. The guaranteed analysis only states the minimum amounts of protein and fat so a particular formula can have more protein and fat which results in less carbs. If you like no carbs, Primal Grinds do not contain plant matter and you can customize your raw.

  • Gary Rokuta

    Which has definitely less carbs, Primal or Darwins. The sales mngr at Darwin’s said 6% but the dog food advisor stated around 10 to 16 %. Correct me if I’m wrong. I was told by the owner of Thomaston’s Holistic Feed stores in New England that Primal has too many carbs, way too many. Didn’t get to ask about Darwin’s. It’s more easy for me to get Primal here in Honolulu, Hi.To get Darwin’s as I did once last month, with ups delivery, it costed around $340 for a month’s supply with dry ice. Many of you dogs people are more than willing to spend that amount for a month?

  • el doctor

    Hi Dori

    I use a 3 stage/cartridge filter under the kitchen sink.

    http://www.amazon.com/Watts-Premier-531130-Filter-Pure-Filtration/dp/B002XISS2Y/ref=sr_1_3?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1431211893&sr=1-3&keywords=Premier+UF3+3-stage+Ultra

    And I also use a water distiller

    http://www.amazon.com/Water-Distiller-Countertop-Enamel-Collection/dp/B00026F9F8/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1431211117&sr=8-2&keywords=water+distiller

    I alternate between the 2, about 66% under sink to 33% distilled. I don’t use a reverse osmosis filter because of all the water they waste, though they filter better than a 3 stage filter.

    The reason I go 2 to 1 is because distillers remove EVERYTHING from the water and some think that too much distilled water can actually start to pull minerals from the body to make up for the lack of minerals in the water.

    Me and my dogs only drink filtered water or distilled. I cook with filtered water. If I heat the water I do it on the stove, not the microwave.

    The instahot is tankless so the water is not sitting in a vessel building up sediment and minerals, but it’s NOT filtered. It does NOT go through the water heater. It uses cold water and “instantly” heats it.

    I use ice cubes that are filtered by the fridge filter and occasionally use the filtered cold water from the fridge. It is a decent 1 stage filter.

    Whenever you use filters you MUST make sure to change them according to schedule, if you don’t they will ADD bacteria and impurities to the water instead of removing them.

    A water distiller will show you whatever impurities and minerals are in your water. They will all be left on the bottom of the distiller after the water is distilled.

  • Dori

    Thanks for the reply el doctor. So the Instant Hot Faucet at my kitchen sink wouldn’t work either, you’re saying, because basically the water is coming initially from the hot water heaters anyway? What are your thoughts on the water coming from the door on refrigerators that have yet another filter that gets changed out every 4 – 6 months as drinking water? Would that water be better or make no difference whatsoever as drinking water for our dogs from the regular sink or should we be buying reverse osmosis water for their drinking water?

  • el doctor

    Hi Dori, sorry for the delay.

    A whole house filtration system is good for giving you filtered water everywhere in your house. It won’t really make a difference in the drinking quality of the hot water, it will only help the quality of the cold water.

    It really doesn’t matter if you put a regular filter before of after the hot water heaters, they won’t remove the excess minerals in the hot water and in my opinion the hot water will still remain contaminated and unsafe to eat or drink.

    A water softener would help remove excess minerals but they either use salt, of some other additive to remove the minerals. While this might be a good idea to help extend the life of your water heaters and pipes it still is not something I would drink!

  • Salty2

    Thank you!!

  • Crazy4dogs

    I’ve seen raw dehydrated in a couple of specialty pet stores but I’m not sure how they are compared to raw fresh or frozen. I’m not sure I’ve seen raw organic turkey necks

  • Salty2

    Hi! Yes, I am feeding Raw Beef & Turkey

  • Crazy4dogs

    I know you’ve posted before but I can’t remember. Are you feeding raw?

  • Crazy4dogs

    Very interesting! You know I do agree with high protein, less carbs. That’s what I feed my dogs and use coconut oil. I was not aware of that added benefit of coconut oil.

  • Shawna

    “The only way to really get a dog to lose weight is to feed them less and/or exercise them more.”

    This has been long believed and supported but it appears that this is not correct. One example — coconut oil provides 9 calories per gram and corn (or any other grain) oil provides 9 calories per gram but coconut oil actually initiates weight loss (despite the same number of calories as other oils/fats).

    This Journal of Nutrition article does state that other research has shown satiety on high protein, moderate fat and low carb diets causes a voluntary decrease of overall calories due to satiety BUT these researchers did not find that in their study.
    “High-Protein Low-Carbohydrate Diets Enhance Weight Loss in Dogs
    This study, however, found no differences in the calories consumed among the groups, whereas the low-carbohydrate groups still lost significantly more weight and fat mass
    than the high-carbohydrate groups. This suggests that decreased caloric intake is not the sole mechanism of action of low-carbohydrate diets.” http://jn.nutrition.org/content/134/8/2087S.full

    Lectins are also associated with weight gain as they can block insulin receptors – dairy and wheat are two that are know to do this. Toxins (both from food and environment) are contributing factors to weight gain/loss. Body fat is a storage site for toxins (we consider grain fed beef to be more toxic than grass fed and grain fed are fattier (more marbled). Leptin resistance (from the type of carb eaten) is a factor in weight gain as well. Carbs higher in fructose can lead to more weight gain than carbs lower in fructose — due to leptin resistance. According to nutrition data.com rice, especially wild rice, is a grain higher in fructose. I’m not clear how foods affect leptin resistance in dogs but dogs do get leptin resistance — they even have an ELISA test to check for leptin resistance in dogs.

    EZCL-31K | Canine Leptin ELISA

  • Crazy4dogs

    Good advice! I always use filtered water that I warm to add to the morning kibble/canned feeding.

  • Dori

    What about if you have a whole house filtration system el doctor?

  • el doctor

    Hi Britt

    You’ve gotten some good advice from the previous posters!

    I just wanted to let you know you should never add warm water from the faucet to your dog’s food. The hot water from your faucet is heated in a tank that is full of sludge, impurities and excess minerals.

    If you want to use warm or hot water for eating or drinking you should use cold water and heat it up on the stove.

    Hope this helps!

  • Salty2

    Does anyone know where I can get Organic Turkey Necks/Wings? I want to strengthen my pups stomach muscles, to keep him from bloat. He’s allergic to Chicken, which is why I want Turkey. A friend told me to never get them at a supermarket, they are the #1 in Salmonella. Is there anywhere online to buy them?

  • theBCnut

    Short exercise periods several times a day will help keep her metabolism up. Don’t give treats or additions that contain much in the way of carbs. Lean meats are best. Try soaking her food in warm water to bulk it up some, so she thinks she is getting more than she is. Also, try to find ways to make her work for her food, like trick training, so that meal time is prolonged without adding calories.

  • Salty2

    I had my 14 wk Standard Poodle puppy allergy tested from Glacier, because he was getting so many ear infections. He was on Natures Variety Frozen Chicken Raw Food. So I find out he has allergy sensitivities to Chicken & Lamb, the 2 he was on! I know he should have bones, so although I’m giving him beef, I read that Chicken & Turkey necks/wings strengthen the stomach walls. Friends tell me never to get Turkey bones at supermarket, they are #1 for Salmonella! So what can I do? Where can I get them? Any suggestions?

  • Crazy4dogs

    The only way to really get a dog to lose weight is to feed them less and/or exercise them more. If she is having joint issues, they are only compounded by the weight. If you are going to feed a home cooked diet you really need to research this as you can be creating serious deficiencies unless you research it and really know how to balance the diet. You might look into Whole Dog Journal or this website:

    http://dogaware.com/diet/homemade.html

  • Britt

    Hi! I need some suggestions to get weight off my LG Samoyed/border Collie mix!! She just chubbed up & its HARD to get it off her without creating pain in her legs & joints from exercise. She LOVES to play ball & go FULL FORCE! So its hard to exercise her “slowly”! I have to wear her out a bit before walking her, as she pulls! Even hurting! I’ve put her on low Cal/diet Merrick dry. The chicken/rice seemed to be the culprit it adding weight to her & her Pomeranian sister! Id like to add “REAL FOOD” for weight loss!! They LOVE cauliflower, apples, beets & carrot. No spinich, greens, berries… I also don’t want to encourage the pom to beg!! Luna Blu LOVES FRESH GREEN JUICES THO! STEALS MINE! How would cooked chicken, sweet potato, broccoli or cauliflower w apples or carrots as snacks work with

  • http://DogRap.com/ El Doctor

    I feed my dogs deer, elk, moose, beef, chicken, pork, turkey, sardines, anchovies, buffalo…

    As long as they were was raised without hormones, antibiotics, or pesticide laden foods and raised in as close to their natural environment as I can find in today’s ever increasing CAFO environment. All the fish I feed are wild caught

    I include sprouted nuts and seeds, and many different organically grown plants.

    I work with individuals and small groups or companies who are interested in caring for their dogs in a more species appropriate and environmentally ethical manner.

  • Shawna

    If you don’t mind my asking, what food/s do you feed?

    I’d love to hear more about what exactly it is you do.

  • Shawna

    I couldn’t agree more El Doctor!!

  • http://DogRap.com/ El Doctor

    Hi Shawna

    When it comes to feeding eggs to dogs what is of greatest concern to me is how the egg laying chickens are raised. I have a PhD in animal ethics and my field is canine environmental and food ethics.

    No animals should have to suffer the way the majority of U.S food animals suffer. Being raised for food should not be a life sentence of torture and misery.

  • Shawna

    Okay, that’s a very good point about higher biotin equaling higher avidin… Guess I should have thought that through better.. :)

    I would also agree that free range eggs may not be more nutritious. When I was researching this (after we started buying eggs straight from the farm with the most intensely orange yolks I had ever seen) I found that young hens eating a nutrient dense diet produced the best, most nutrient dense eggs. This, of course, makes perfect sense.

    Regarding digestibility of raw/cooked eggs, BCnut and I had a conversation a few months back about digestion. That conversation made me think of something. Liquid foods pass from the stomach to intestines more quickly than solids. This surely could impact how much pepsin raw versus cooked egg whites are subjected to. My question is, will eating the raw egg with other foods slow down the digestion of the raw egg allowing more time for pepsin contact? I know food moves on as it becomes chyme but still wondering if eating with a protein meal would slow things down?

    Regarding whipping egg whites and churning during digestion. The churning is in the stomach where pepsin is acting on the proteins. I would assume that this is the difference.

  • aimee

    Like any good scientist I make reasonable conclusions based on available data. To date all the available data supports the conclusion that the amount of biotin in the egg doesn’t offset the avidin. And as any good scientist, I’m very open to changing that conclusion when or if new data comes available.

    One thought is that the function of avidin, through the binding of biotin, prevents bacterial growth in the egg during chick development. If that is the case then it makes sense sufficient avidin would be present to bind all the biotin present.

    If you choose to assume that free range eggs have a higher biotin level, what is it that prevents an equally valid assumption that the avidin level is higher as well.?

    I wouldn’t say that free range are more likely to be more nutrient dense just that it is possible. It is also possible for them to be less nutrient dense. To make a meaningful comparison between commercial and free range I’d want to see the same variety/strain of chicken, the same age and most importantly all eggs go to the same lab at the same time. Different labs may have differing testing methodology making comparing results from different labs and times unreliable.

    Here is one such study: http://ps.oxfordjournals.org/content/90/7/1600.abstract

  • Shawna

    I’ll have to come back to your post to me aimee as I don’t have time right now to fully comment.

    YOU assume there isn’t enough biotin in the egg yolk to offset the avidin in the white because of a few papers you saw that you agree were likely done with factory farmed eggs. You also agree that free range eggs are likely more nutrient dense (more calcium in the shell etc) then factory farmed.

    When recommending raw eggs, most of us also suggest including the yolk and are most often talking with folks already feeding a complete and balanced diet (which will have at least the minimum biotin required to be labeled complete and balanced). Many, if not most, of us also suggest farm raised eggs (and the addition of probiotics) as well as feeding eggs 3 to no more than 4 days a week. Lots of variables to consider.

  • aimee

    I understand she was including the whole egg. While there is biotin in the yolk it is not enough to offset the avidin in the white which is why there are cases of biotin deficiency reported when eating whole raw eggs.

    I agree that cooking decreases some of the nutrients. While the white is chock full of protein the majority of the egg nutrients are in the yolk. Some choose to feed the yolk raw, preserving the nutrient levels and lightly cooking the white to destroy the anti nutrient factors.

    This makes the most sense to me when choosing to incorporate raw egg into a diet.

  • Crazy4dogs

    Sorry to butt into this but I think Shawna was including the whole egg in her comment.

    At any rate I did find this for those who would be interested in the raw egg usage. I realize this is for human consumption and this is a .com site which I just found recently, but I think it might be relevant and the sources cited seem to be current and credible.

    http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=george&dbid=347

  • aimee

    I agree that as long as there is sufficient biotin in the diet from other sources a clinical deficiency wouldn’t occur.

    It becomes somewhat of a non issue just like the phytate in grains is a non issue as long as there are sufficient minerals in the diet.

    However, both avidin and phytate can become a problem in diets not replete with the substances they bind

    In regards to the glutathion dipeptide precursor in raw egg, I haven’t found any papers showing any clinical relevance. Cells contain the enzyme to make this dipeptide so I don’t see the any real benefit here. Considering that overall protein digestibility of raw egg white is poor, has it been documented that the precursor is even absorbed?

    Additionally, if mechanical agitation (“whipping”) disrupts this precursor I’d think the mechanical beating and acid bath in the stomach might also disrupt it.

    After considering all the available information I see no benefit to feeding raw over cooked egg white.

    Frankly with the high content of anti nutrient factors I’m surprised that you’d even consider feeding it. It seems to be a 180 degree departure from your usual anti-nutrient posistion.

  • aimee

    Yep! But I don’t know if biotin is produced in any significant amount.

  • Shawna

    Good gut flora is beneficial too as they produce several vitamins including biotin.

  • aimee

    Yep.. biotin deficiency is a problem with raw whites. Cooking neutralizes the anti nutrient responsible for this. I only mentioned it because it is often incorrectly reported that there is enough biotin in the yolk to offset the anti-nutrient in the white. This is not true. If your diet is rich in biotin then likely no problem but if the diet is marginal it can be problematic.

  • theBCnut

    Fenbendazole works too, but you have to give it 3 days in a row.

  • Salty2

    Thank you!

  • Crazy4dogs

    If you do go the chemical route, make sure that you are getting Panacur, Droncit or Praziquantel as these are for tapeworm treatment.

  • Crazy4dogs

    LOL Shawna! I stepped away for a bit before finishing my comment and see you have answered it too!
    Very interesting about the whipping. I do it so everyone gets an even mix since I split them between 3 or 4 dogs.

  • Crazy4dogs

    I’ve seen that article on biotin deficiency. It seems to be more atributed to raw egg white.
    I’ve done it both ways. When my old boy was in kidney failure I used cooked egg white for the low phosphorus content and was aware of the biotin deficiency when using egg white. I also needed to add more calcium to bind the phosphorus.
    On my current dogs, I was doing a light scramble (no oil, etc) of whole egg as an occaisional additiive to dinner. They were all gassy. When I added whole raw beaten egg, stools were normal and no gas.

  • Shawna

    From what I read biotin deficiency from raw egg whites isn’t seen much in diets that are not already low in biotin. I know a great many humans (including medical professionals) that eat raw egg/eggs daily.

    Regarding the digestibility of raw egg versus cooked — I imagine digestibility is not necessarily the ultimate factor in how a food performs. I’ve read that raw eggs, that have not had the protein matrix disrupted by whipping etc, have a protein structure that makes it easily utilized by the body to make glutathione. If cooking, to improve digestibility, disrupts the protein structure impeding production of glutathione, is digestibility really the best indicator of the quality of egg protein?

  • Crazy4dogs

    Yeah, glad I have the back up fridge. My procedure is exactly the same as yours! LOL!

  • Salty2

    Thank you!

  • Salty2

    Started on ground pumpkin seeds today.

  • Crazy4dogs

    Absolutely!!! My vet only does microscopic as it’s a more accurate test. The problem with tapeworm is they aren’t always in the stool and are only found when segments are shed.

  • Nik Kecyk

    Good call!!

  • Crazy4cats

    Sorry, not c4d, but I’ve had a lot of experience with stool samples. LOL! Yes, you can bring a sample to the vet to be tested. Make sure you bring one as fresh as possible. This is gross, but you can stick it in the frig until you are ready to take it to the vet to ensure freshness! They don’t need a lot. Just stick it in a zip lock baggie or similar and then in a grocery bag so you don’t have to look at it. But, if you are seeing the worms and they are tape, they don’t usually have to test it other than a visual. If you are concerned there may be something else as well, they will test. Good luck!

  • Salty2

    Do u bring stool sample to vet to be checked?

  • aimee

    When feeding egg with shell the ratio of Ca to Phos will always be heavily skewed towards calcium. I agree it will vary, thin shell vs thick shell, but it will always be high in relation to what is often thought of as the “perfect ” ratio 1.2:1.

    One way to think of it is to consider the chick that hatches from the egg. Wouldn’t ca be balanced to phos in the chick? The developing chick draws Ca from the shell yet the shell remains. Considering that the shell is nearly all ca carbonate a high amount of ca remains after the chick met it’s needs.

    Interesting that your dog had smelly gas when feeding the eggs cooked.vs raw. Did you cook both yolk and white?

    I did find several studies indicating poor growth and diarrhea in dogs using raw egg white as a protein source. Also found a case study of a child with biotin deficiency attributed to eating raw egg every other day and study in chicks that grew poorly unless the food was supplemented with biotin when feeding whole raw egg.

    In regards to Dogs Naturally the articles are opinion pieces and often contain inaccurate material.

    Several years ago Dogs Naturally asked me to write for them. I used to do some free lance writing ( many years ago). They told me they do not do any type of fact checking before printing.. they really need to.

  • aimee

    The sources didn’t specify but I’d assume conventionally raised. But yes I’d agree with you that the ratio could be a lot higher with thicker shelled eggs vs “store” eggs and could be lower with thinner shelled eggs. If the egg has a shell the Ca/Phos ratio when consuming both egg and shell will always be skewed with Ca being much higher than Phos.

  • Shawna

    The ginger might be easier to get down them in a glycerin based tincture. That’s how I give it to mine and I don’t have any that refuse it.

  • Shawna

    Yeah, we’ve had the whole gammit of nasties from the foster dogs. We’ve had giardia, coccidia, kennel cough, ringworm and several intestinal worms. No one has ever had heartworm though. I’ve read lots of good things about DE and worms but I don’t see how it could work on tapeworms.. There’s too many segments to hit them all and I’ve read the head is slightly buried so there’s no way it could reach the head.

    My girls got giardia but symptoms cleared in all dogs in two days with probiotics and fresh garlic. No symptoms in my dogs with coccidia or ringworm but they were exposed. No symptoms in mine from the intestinal worms (can’t remember now which worms?). They did get kennel cough but home care cleared that as well.

    I’m a rebel when it comes to heartworm. I don’t use any preventatives and haven’t for the 25 years I’ve owned dogs. I don’t have proof but I believe garlic likely kills the wolbachia bacteria in heartworm and there have been several studies that show it kills the worms too. Ginger extract was even more effective than garlic. Dr. Marty Goldstein has cleared heartworm with wormwood and black walnut. Dr. Falconer, I believe it is, has treated with homeopathics. Dr. Shelton is currently treating her heartworm positive adopted dog with essential oils and so on.

  • Crazy4dogs

    Yeah, my avatar had tapeworms which we found even after a clean fecal when we did our first vet visit. After an angry phone call with my vet and him giving me a TON of information on it, we cleared it with panacure. That was 10 years ago. Your dog must have had fleas at some point as that is the most common source of tapeworm. I found it when she was laying near me and it looked like a bit of carpet fuzz was stuck to her butt. I pulled it off and louped it (I’m a photographer, it’s a magnifier) and found it online. It was a tape. The link I posted above to Shawna could help you with using a natural method. BC is right, tapes are probably the least problematic of worms. The worst, from a fosterpoint of view is hookworm and whipworm. Difficult to deal with and cure, especially in multiple dog households.

  • Crazy4dogs

    aimee, I will have to get back to you on the eggshell debate. I worked all day, so I’m behind. I’ve read many different versions on the ratio. When I used it, I was binding phosphorus in a kidney failure dog, so I’m probably off.

    The interesting thing regarding your comment that raw egg white is poorly digested is that when I lightly cooked the eggs, my dogs had terrrible gas. When I add it raw to their diet, they processed it perfectly with no gas or abnormal stool in any manner. I have since only used raw egg as it seems to process better for my dogs.

    In the meantime, I do use this as a regular source and have had great luck with it. I’m not sure if you will agree with this, but they have very interesting articles:

    http://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/feeding-your-dog-raw-eggs-good-or-bad/

  • Salty2

    Thank you! Only thing I dont have is fresh ginger, I will pick it up tomorrow.

  • Crazy4dogs

    It worked for me as a preventative. My foster had a dose of panacur, but I used the “natural worm control” as he had already been treated several times with traditional methods. He has been clear since July of last year (adopted in September, but clear since). I posted a link. I don’t use the chems anymore, but test for heartworm and do fecals on a regular basis.

  • Crazy4dogs

    C4C, I just posted to Shawna above regarding worms. Been working ALL DAY.

  • Crazy4dogs

    I’ve posted to Shawna regarding my findings on DE and worms.

  • Crazy4dogs

    Hi All!

    I worked all day, so I’m behind. I used DE as a preventative since I tested my dogs when I found that my foster who had been with us for more than a month finally tested positive for hookworms. It’s more difficult when you work with rescue. At any rate, I tested my dogs as soon as I got a positive diagnosis (microscopic since float was wrong) of hookworm. They tested negative. I used DE for 1 month along with 1 week of ground organic pumpkin seeds and tested a full month after using the DE/pumpkin. They were all negative, including the foster with hookworms. I have since tested just recently and again, all dogs are negative (foster was adopted last fall, but is clear). This is 6 months post exposure. Here is a link regarding DE and all types of worms. I’ve had great success, but I test my dogs stools often so I know what’s working. Also, please note, these DO NOT WORK ON HEARTWORM!!! This is a different type of worm that attacks the heart and is not found in the digestive tract! I’ve seen too many posts on the internet that think this will work!

    Not my favorite site, but more mainstream. The link:

    http://www.vetinfo.com/using-diatomaceous-earth-to-worm-pets.html#b

  • Shawna

    aimee — do you know if that number is from factory raised eggs, farm raised or a mixture? When I was able to get farm raised eggs (straight from the farm and from young hens) the shells were really hard as compared to store bought, assuming factory produced eggs.

    Edit — the yolks were also a much deeper and vibrant shade of orange.

  • Shawna

    I don’t think the DE will work. DE HAS to come in contact with the worm body in order to slice through. Because the tapeworm is segmented DE would have to come into contact with every segment and that is very unlikely to happen.

    If you are going to go natural, I think you’d be way better off with raw freshly ground garlic, ginger and the raw freshly ground pumpkin seeds. Might consider cinnamon and a few other spices/herbs as well.

  • Shawna

    I use them as a preventative… If the pups got worms I might consider the chemical stuff as I know the worms can be very problematic…

  • Salty2

    Wow! 6 months or more?

  • Crazy4cats

    Ok, good to know about the OTC dewormer. I’d want to get rid of them quicker too!

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