Answers Detailed Dog Food (Raw Frozen)


Rating: ★★★★★

Answers Dog Food (Detailed Formula) receives the Advisor’s top rating of 5 stars.

The Answers Detailed product line includes three raw frozen recipes.

Each recipe below includes its related AAFCO nutrient profile when available on the product’s official webpage: Growth, Maintenance, All Life Stages, Supplemental or Unspecified.

  • Answers Detailed Pork [A]
  • Answers Detailed Beef [A]
  • Answers Detailed Chicken [A]

Answers Detailed Chicken formula was selected to represent the other products in the line for this review.

Answers Detailed Dog Food Chicken Formula

Raw Dog Food

Estimated Dry Matter Nutrient Content

Protein = 41% | Fat = 31% | Carbs = 20%

Ingredients: Chicken, chicken heart, chicken liver, ground chicken bone, chicken eggs, organic carrots, organic green beans, fermented cod liver, organic yellow squash, butter, montmorillonite, cultured whey, organic parsley, salt, vitamin E supplement

Fiber (estimated dry matter content) = 6.3%

Red items indicate controversial ingredients

Estimated Nutrient Content
Guaranteed Analysis13%10%NA
Dry Matter Basis41%31%20%
Calorie Weighted Basis30%56%15%
Protein = 30% | Fat = 56% | Carbs = 15%

The first ingredient in this dog food is chicken. Chicken is considered “the clean combination of flesh and skin… derived from the parts or whole carcasses of chicken”.1

Chicken is naturally rich in the ten essential amino acids required by a dog to sustain life.

The second ingredient is chicken heart. Although it doesn’t sound very appetizing to us humans, heart tissue is pure muscle — all meat. It’s naturally rich in quality protein, minerals and complex B vitamins, too.

The third ingredient is chicken liver. This is an organ meat sourced from a named animal and thus considered a beneficial component.

The fourth ingredient is ground chicken bone, an excellent source of natural calcium.

The fifth ingredient includes chicken eggs. Eggs are easy to digest and have an exceptionally high biological value.

The sixth ingredient includes organic carrots. Carrots are rich in beta-carotene, minerals and dietary fiber.

The seventh ingredient includes organic green beans, a healthy vegetable notable for its vitamin, mineral and natural fiber content.

From here, the list goes on to include a number of other items.

But to be realistic, ingredients located this far down the list (other than nutritional supplements) are not likely to affect the overall rating of this product.

With two notable exceptions

First, montmorillonite is a naturally occurring compound rich in many trace minerals. Montmorillonite has been approved for use in USDA Organic Certified products.

Reported benefits include the binding of certain mold-based toxins and even controlling diarrhea and irritable bowel syndrome (IBS).

And lastly, except for vitamin E, we find no mention of added vitamins or minerals on the ingredients list.

However, we are reassured to find a detailed list of naturally present nutrients on the company’s website.

Answers Detailed Formula Dog Food
The Bottom Line

Since this recipe contains a number of organic ingredients, we feel compelled to grant this line a more favorable status as we consider its final rating.

That’s because organic ingredients must comply with notably more stringent government standards — standards which significantly restrict the use of any synthetic pesticides, herbicides, insecticides, hormones or antibiotics.

Judging by its ingredients alone, Answers Dog Food Detailed formula looks like an above-average raw product.

But ingredient quality by itself cannot tell the whole story. We still need to estimate the product’s meat content before determining a final rating.

The dashboard displays a dry matter protein reading of 41%, a fat level of 31% and estimated carbohydrates of about 20%.

As a group, the brand features an average protein content of 41% and a mean fat level of 31%. Together, these figures suggest a carbohydrate content of 20% for the overall product line.

And a fat-to-protein ratio of about 77%.

Near-average protein. Above-average fat. And below-average carbs when compared to a typical raw dog food.

Free of any plant-based protein boosters, this looks like the profile of a raw product containing a significant amount of meat.

Bottom line?

Answers Detailed Formula is a meat-based raw dog food using a generous amount of chicken, beef or pork as its main sources of animal protein, thus earning the brand 5 stars.

Enthusiastically recommended.

Please note certain recipes are sometimes given a higher or lower rating based upon our estimate of their total meat content and (when appropriate) their fat-to-protein ratios.

Answers Dog Food
Recall History

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Notes and Updates

06/24/2016 Last Update

  1. Association of American Feed Control Officials
  • Glynda Smith

    Zeno, read the entire FDA report and Lystin’s responses ( included in links below the report)i from the link YOU provided. This is an FDA blunder and they picked the wrong small company to pick a fight with. After reading this fully I will now purchase their raw food with complete confidence. Enough said…

  • anon101

    Recently a bunch of comments were removed from forums section, the same poster kept pushing this product, over and over again, no matter what the ailment.

  • ZENO

    I do not see any recall for this product but found a recall detail from March 2016 on the FDA site, link below,

  • AriaH

    A puppy should never be weaned before 8 weeks. What kind of “breeder” did she come from? Not good. And with so many pits being killed in shelters, it’s a shame you didn’t save a life from one.

  • InkedMarie

    Yes, dogs typically don’t drink as much water while on raw. Less poop is a great bonus!

  • Tayler Sparks

    I have a lab/ Pyrenees 6 month pup! I just switch to Answers from Orijen as well! her coat is so pretty and shiny and i don’t see as much shedding either and its been 6 days! I thought less poop was a little scary but it makes sense. is it normal for them to not drink as much water??

  • Kali Teufel

    I paid $22.85 for the beef formula just yesterday.

  • Rachel

    That’s a great tip! Thanks SO much! Wondering if it causes degradation of nutrients thawing and re-freezing, though? Thoughts on this? Thank you

  • Gary Foote

    You can go to In the top menu there is a link to “Where to buy” it locates based off of zip code.

  • Gary Foote

    Yes, detailed. It helps to avoid using supplements.

  • Rayvyn

    The Detailed Formula?

  • Rayvyn

    FYI, if your dogs (or even a cat) gets hives, pour/bathe them in Apple Cider Vinegar. Will clear up within a day. it’s also good for taking the pain out of bee stings! Works immediately! Just do NOT use it for ant bites, does no good.

  • Rayvyn

    OMG, Beneful??? That has been recalled due to numerous issues with the brand! My friend in oK bought a bag and as soon as she brought it home and opened it, she saw nothing but mold!

  • Rayvyn

    Why 5.5 weeks??? Should only be getting puppies/kittens at minimum 8 weeks. Your pup may have later onset behavior problems due to being separated too early. A lot of breeders are waiting 12 weeks, so they can be better socialized & their behavior can become better adjusted, etc.

  • Rayvyn

    Do you know where I can buy in bulk??

  • Rayvyn

  • Kaila McIntire

    Does anyone have links where I can buy this food online?

  • Tzara Tlaloc

    beneful is garbage. i would never feed a puppy that. dogs are dying from eating beneful. look at the ingredient list.

  • Katelyn

    Can someone give me about how much they spend on the 4lb cartons?

  • Gary Foote

    We switched from Orijen to Answers Detailed almost 2 years ago. We have an 8 year old black lab and a 4 year old silver lab. Even moving from Orijen to Answers, we saw a major change in the pups within a couple of weeks. Far less shedding, beautiful full coat, clean teeth, less poop and increased strength and endurance. Our pups compete almost every weekend and when switching to Answers their performance was and continues to be outstanding. To see an 8 year old begin showing the energy of a puppy and the happiness of a puppy was just amazing to us. We are Answers fans, it is pricey but paying less in vet services and you can order in bulk if you have the freezer space, will save some $$$. You can check out their pics and videos to see for yourself on our FB page:

  • William Hoekman

    Hi! Butter and dietary fat in general are two very misunderstood topics. We combine fermented cod livers and high vitamin butter for a blend of fatty acids and fat soluble vitamins. One of the main reasons we do this is so that dogs that don’t drink our raw dairy products get a great dietary source of Vitamin K2. Research shows us that Vitamin K2 is as important to health as Vitamin A and D. It’s been shown to be an intricate part of brain function, calcium absorption, and reducing plaque in arteries, to name a few. Sources are basically limited to raw grass fed dairy including butter, pastured eggs, and the bacteria that ferment certain foods. When you address the actual food science, the high vitamin raw butter that we use (AAFCO will only let us put butter on the label) is one of the healthiest things we put in our food.

    If you’re interested in learning more, I wrote an article on dietary fat for Dogs Naturally Magazine titled Dietary Fat: Your Best Friend’s Best Friend.

    If you have any additional questions feel free to email me:
    [email protected]

  • Tiana

    The butter is high yield oil from grass fed cows and is rich in vitamin K2 which supports D vitamins. It’s not your typical butter

  • InkedMarie

    I order my raw from Hare Today; cheaper than a pre-made!

  • DeathRayBob

    Thanks for the response. Weird right?! Bummed me out cause I want one without synthetic vitamins/minerals. But I found someone local who makes and sells raw food that I’m going to try

  • InkedMarie

    Wow, I just looked and their “Detailed” does indeed have butter. No idea why but I wouldn’t feed it.

  • DeathRayBob

    Does anyone know why they have BUTTER in their food? That seems like a weird ingredient to me. Dogs are generally not supposed to ingest much butter unless they have constipation or something.

  • Judy Cremone

    Going all raw is fine just need to add answers goats milk will give you all the added ingredients. It’s do healthy can be fed for nursing pup. Sick. Build immune systems not to mention the list of conditions it’s good for nothing better out there

  • Maria Kidd

    I don’t think the pork is available anymore

  • **MyKidsHave4Paws**

    I had my dogs on Orijen & Acana a long while back too and out of the many different times we tried it, they would always have a bad reaction to it.. My white Bull Terrier would break out in hives/skin issues from Acana and My other girls would get bad Hershey squirts from Orijen, even after being on it for some time. Their quality has gone completely downhill! :/ I’ll have to look into Answers raw food formulas though. I started raising my own meat birds for my dogs (not spoiled at all..;) all free range, organic, non-gmo. My husband and I just dress them out in the mornings for the pups. It’s nice to be able to get the entire carcass (head, feet, organs) and you know exactly where it comes from and how it’s processed. Granted with 5 dogs, we go through an entire Pekin duck in ONE day! So it does get exhausting and time consuming. There for, trying to find a pre-mixed organic raw food to feed from time to time would make things easier! Do you or does anyone know if they do home deliveries or do you have to buy through their supplier? Thanks! πŸ™‚

  • Crazy4cats

    Hi Nancy! Long time no see! I’m very glad to hear your dog is doing so well on this food! My post was from 9 months ago. I don’t know if anything has changed since then. It seems as though you have a good relationship with their reps. Maybe you could give us updates or additional information. Feeding fermented food to my dogs as a topper is of some interest to me. It is good to hear from you.

  • Nancy Calloway

    OH NO
    I did not know about this.

  • Nancy Calloway

    Also, another thing I do is get quart size zip lock bags at the $ Store and spoon the right amount of food into it, flatten it out good, and re Freeze. Can stack them up in the freezer with a paper towel half between them. To thaw I let some room temp water pour on it. Takes minutes. This way the container is not left in the refrigerator where it leaks fluids from the thawed meat. It also enables me to rotate a little from day to day. I write on the bag with Sharpie Pen a T for turkey and B for beef and then use Costco chickens for my chicken. Answers is easy to use and I just like the ingredients and their willingness to answer Qs fast.

  • Nancy Calloway

    Dori – hi there. YES I always end up with Jacquie as well and she is very smart and can answer the Qs. I think she is committed to a top flight dog food. Love the fermenting of the fish stock and the veggies in the food.

  • Nancy Calloway

    YES !
    I HAVE A 3 YR OLD 75 lb GSD who about 1 1/2 yr ago had a terrible response to Origen and Acana dog food. Too rich and perhaps the lentils in the food were the problem. Never found out but he lost about 5 pounds, was on Metronidazole and then the vet put him on that special Science Diet for digestive disorders (ugh). HE DOES BEAUTIFULLY ON ANSWERS! IT IS GREAT FOOD, AND I GIVE THE GOAT MILK IN THE MORNING AND THE FISH STOCK AT NIGHT. HE LAPS IT UP! AND I ALTERNATE AROUND THE CHICKEN BEEF AND TURKEY MEALS. HIS STOOLS ARE PERFECT, AND HIS VET CHECKUPS ARE WONDERFUL. I changed to a homeopathic vet who I love. His blood work in June was great. Jacqueline who is an owner will answer all your questions. EXPENSIVE FOOD but worth every penny. I have to drive an HOUR to get it, so I stock up. I also one or two days a week give him organic raw chickens from Costco and Beef Trim from Hare Today which he loves. I think sometimes they need to CHEW UP FOOD. He eats the chicken raw, bones and all with no trouble and that keeps his teeth clean.

  • Jen

    I have had her for a month now! She was 4lbs when I brought her home at 5.5 weeks! She’s now 11 weeks and 18lbs

  • Jen

    I stuck with puppy dry food

  • Burke’sMom

    From feeding this food, and it does say on their website too, the kcals drum between 60-63 per ounce in this food.
    I don’t know why those things aren’t mentioned here (because it does work out to more kcal in the same amount of food AND feeding guidelines some times) but what I usually do is look at the pictures on an online dog food ordering site – kibble still usually shows it in cups, not ounces so you don’t have to convert, some freeze-dried foods do, and some frozen raw is by ounce. For instance: I’ve seen Stella & Chewy’s displayed both ways on their frozen.

  • gmcbogger38

    As long as the homemade raw is done correctly and balanced, there wouldn’t be any negative effects of feeding that, either.

  • Cannoli

    oh i forgot about commercial raw. i thought they meant homemade raw.

  • Shawna

    Absolutely can handle but I’d recommend a commercial product that is balanced.

  • Shawna

    All of my puppies (and those I foster – there’s been lots) go raw as soon as I get them or, in one case, as soon as ready to wean. I do feed commercial balanced raw though. I just got two six week old puppies today. They had been eating Beneful so I didn’t bother transitioning. A little raw balanced duck, goats milk, pumpkin and probiotics.

  • Cannoli

    I wouldn’t go all raw diet with a pup. They grow so rapidly and need the exact nutrients. I’d wait until pup is fully grown before switching to raw. Maybe add some raw toppers to a good kibble would be as extreme as I go

  • Jen

    I’m possibly going to be adopting a new pup in a couple of months (when weened) I’m considering starting her on a raw feed diet right away! But I have never fed this before so any tips or advice on this would be greatly appreciated! If their system can handle this that young or not!

  • aimee

    There is an interesting and lengthy response to the FDA warning letter on Answers website under the news tab.

    It seems to me they are don’t disagree that their product was positive for Salmonella but their position is that it is not harmful in the level present and that the FDA hasn’t proven that their product would cause or has caused any harm.

    They said if they thought their product was harmful in any way they would have recalled but their position is that it is not harmful. At least this is how I understood it.

  • Crazy4cats

    Hmm…That’s too bad. I think their concept is a good one. I hope they can get it together. I did buy their goat’s milk a few times. But, I haven’t seen their products in our feed store in a while. Maybe this is why. Thanks for the link.

  • aimee

    Recently came across this warning letter from FDA to Answers regarding Salmonella and thought I’d share it

  • Tricia

    In your reviews why are calories per cup not listed?

  • Michelle sessoms

    I had problems out of 2 of my chihuahuas when I put them on this food for 6 wewks and this was the only change. Both had previous blood work that was normal and afterwards had major raised liver counts. Had to put them on another food Darwins, to get their liver counts back to normal. No issues since. It was a costly mess…

  • **MyKidsHave4Paws**

    Thanks for the reply Steve! πŸ™‚ I’ve been switching between Answers and Primal Raw Goat’s Milk with good results. Yes, the fish stock is indeed very rancid smelling! Ha-ha I give a warning to who’s ever in the kitchen before I open it when making my dog’s food..LOL

  • My dog and my customer’s dogs love both the Goat’s milk and the Fish Stock. The Stock is quite strong smelling, but that is to be expected, based on what it is. According to Answers, the frozen raw milk is 100x more effective at getting through the gastric system than powders and pills. They have a bunch of info on their website on the benefits of each. Enthusiastically recommended!

  • **MyKidsHave4Paws**

    Has anyone tried Answers Raw Goats Milk or the Fermented Fish Stock for their dogs? I just started my dogs on both yesterday included in their raw diets and was curious if anyone else has used these. I can’t seem to find any other reviews on it. Thanks so much!

  • el doctor

    That discussion might have ended in a fiasco, but look at all the friends and customers they made in the 2 years they were here before things turned bad!

  • Dori

    HAHA Marie. Don’t I know it!!! Sister-Friends for sure.

  • InkedMarie

    oh Dori, you are my sister-friend, we think SO much alike

  • Crazy4cats

    He contacted me with a very nice email. He did state that fermentation is their only safety step and that is all they need. No mention of any testing at all. I think I mentioned before that I am good with feeding fermented foods. In fact I used sauerkraut as one of the dogs’ remedies to get rid of giardia along with garlic and probiotics. I do think it is good for their guts. As far as the only safety step with raw meat, I’ll have to do a little more research.

  • InkedMarie

    good reminder!

  • Shawna

    Thank you for your kind words Storm’s Mom!! Really appreciate it!!!!

    Side note — Several of us from DFA started a private group on Facebook. Although not everyone likes or wants to socialize on Facebook, if anyone wants to (and is holistically minded or even interested) feel free to email me at [email protected]. There’s other great resources on Facebook too. πŸ™‚

  • Dori

    I also don’t understand, regarding contacting companies, etc. why more people don’t just pick up the telephone and call them. Maybe because I’m older than the general population here that I’m a bit more old school. Usually if I want answers on anything I want them pretty quickly. I’m also not a particularly patient person. As far as the Answers Company, itself, I have to readily and freely admit that I have always been put through to Jacquie and Billy. Sometimes it’s they themselves that answer the phones at the company. Also let me say that Answer’s Detailed foods are in rotation at my home.

  • theBCnut

    I intend to stay out of this discussion, but I do want to remind everyone that the Brother’s thread was permanently closed because people couldn’t play nice there. I’m relatively certain that William Hoekman and Dr Mike, BOTH, don’t want to see that happen here. If I were William, I wouldn’t wade out into the foray either. I prefer transparency in a dog food company and I have rejected several companies based on their lack of transparency, but that has nothing to do with willingness to battle publicly. Try email, then share your emails.

  • aimee

    Thanks Crazy4cats,

    It isn’t the GA I question but the DM percentages they report… about 40% of the diet is unaccounted for. William couldn’t explain that, he said I would have to talk to Roxanne as that is her area.

    I asked him if he could explain what it meant to say that the DM basis was corrected for energy density as compared to 3500kcal/kg as that is not a typical way to report a nutrient. He didn’t know and said I’d have to ask Roxanne.

    I also asked him about the AAFCO statement on their Detailed diets. He said the diets carry a statement that says the diet is formulated to meet the AAFCO nutrient profile.

    This is new and came as quite a surprise to me as Jacquiline had written to me “You never want a raw diet to be equivalent to the AAFCO nutrient requirements, that would be seriously overdosing in nutrients like zinc which in turn could lead to hemolytic anemia.”

    He couldn’t comment on the use of the previous statement which said the
    diet was comparable to one that passed a feeding trial. It didn’t seem
    he was aware that Answers had ever used that statement on their diets.

    Overall he was very nice and clearly very passionate about the product but after talking for nearly 40?? minutes I have to say I was left with more questions than answers.

  • Storm’s Mom

    I think William answered that pretty well himself.

  • Storm’s Mom

    No, I posted in support of respecting William’s request to correspond via email. As others have mentioned, there have been several instances in the past where reps from dog food companies have come on here with seemingly the best of intentions (or at least, I feel it’s polite to assume so), but with perhaps less internet savvy than folks on here, and they were treated pretty awfully, and surprise surprise none are active on here now. Isn’t the goal to have reps from dog food companies communicating freely and openly on here? Well then, let’s not immediately put them on the defensive and assume the worst about them or their company on, like, their 2nd post, shall we?! I do not doubt that aimee’s concerns have a decent chance of being valid, it’s how she went/goes about determining that that I took/take exception to. It saddens me that Shawna, in particular, has been driven away from DFA in part because of aimee’s tactics/antics (which I had no idea was the case until I read her post yesterday).

  • Shawna

    If the statement was in contrast to data I had been provided first hand by someone high up in that same company, yes I would not try to assume.

  • Crazy4cats

    So, basically you started posting on this subject just to harass Aimee? BTW, her concerns do seem to be accurate. Her questions actually helped me learn some new things today. I don’t find her to be rude at all. I don’t totally understand the Purina thing either, but could care less. She is a valuable asset to the site.

  • Crazy4cats

    Aimee’s concerns in my opinion were justified. Aimee being a troll is laughable. You haven’t posted on this site for weeks, yet you come back to make this comment? I think Aimee is the one being trolled upon.

  • Crazy4cats

    Thanks for the heads up on this company. I have bought their goat’s milk and have considered the fish stock. Sounds like they still have a lot of unanswered questions at this time. I’m not convinced on the safety of their meat either. I’d prefer a little more testing. I truly don’t understand why others think that you have an agenda or certain motives. I believe all of your questions about this company’s safety procedures and guaranteed analysis were totally appropriate.

  • aimee

    Interesting.. would you also not assume what was meant if the statement was written by a large commercial pet food company?

  • el doctor

    Hi Storm’s mom

    May I ask what those “legit business reasons” might be?

    “A company likely will never reach out on such a public forum to the degree that all of its customers or potential customers would like, for legit business reasons,

  • el doctor

    Hi C4d

    Thank you for your thoughts on this, they seem perfectly reasonable to me πŸ˜‰

  • aimee

    I’ve never fermented meat…have made pickles and yogurt.

  • Crazy4dogs

    I’d love to hear what you find out! πŸ˜‰

  • Crazy4cats

    I actually agree with you 100%. A rep would be crazy to come on here and face us! But he did! He opened the door and left it open. He disputed Aimee’s statement that Answer’s does not invest in any type of quality control testing. He could have easily explained at that time what measures they do use. Well, it’s been six days and still no explanation. I have contacted them and have not got a response so far. There is nothing on their website regarding testing. Makes one wonder?

  • Shawna

    How familiar are you with fermented or cultured foods and the process of making such foods?

  • Shawna

    I’m not going to assume to know what they meant, or even how you may interpret the entire conversation differently than I possibly. This often happens. I just know my experience.

    I do agree that the diets are higher in fat but I think the type of fat is as important as the overall quantity. When Primal upped their fat content (or released new analysis information) there was no formulation change so I was left wondering if they were using lower quality fattier meats. Although this may be the case with Answer’s I don’t believe so. The fermented cod liver oil, the whole eggs and butter are all nutrient dense sources of fats. Jacqueline follows Weston Price so I do have to assume, as it doesn’t state for sure, that the butter is from grass fed dairy cows.

    The AAFCO has no “safe upper limit” for fat. “The NRC sets the safe upper limit of fat at 82.5 grams/1000 kcals.” What is that based on? Is the quality of the fat even considered?

  • aimee

    You said: “What Aimee is trying to make us believe is VERY different from reality. Just my opinion though.”

    What is it that I’m trying to make people believe?….. Ya might want to let me in on that one : )

    Simply put, I was at a expo and there were several raw food dog manufacturers present. I asked each of them the same 7 questions. One of the questions pertained to the quality control testing that they did with their foods and specifically does the company “test and hold”

    Answers reported they did not do any type of microbial testing.

    I called William’s cell number and we had a nice conversation. He told me they do not “test and hold” but they now do test intermittently. He didn’t know the frequency, and said testing isn’t even necessary because of the fermentation process they use which ensures safety.

    I’m currently unconvinced on that point, others may conclude differently. The product is fully frozen within hours of inoculation via what he called a slow freeze process. I don’t see how enough acids could be formed in such a short and very cold fermentation time for product preservation. I asked what the starting and ending pH was and he didn’t know offhand.

    In regards to nutrient analysis he said he may have data depending on the nutrient I asked about.

  • Shawna

    You say personal attack, I say personal experience. πŸ™‚

    I actually thought “knowledge battle” was a cute and very accurate description – clearly not everyone agrees. How many times have others, over the years, complained they couldn’t follow our conversations.

  • aimee

    What do you think Answers meant to convey when they wrote to me ” When protein is consumed in excess….this can have damaging effects on the liver and kidney”

    The context was in relation to the amount of protein and fat in their diets and their reasoning for formulating such a high fat diet I think you have to agree that of raw diets Answers has one of the lowest protein levels around and a very high fat content.

    The NRC sets the safe upper limit of fat at 82.5 grams/1000 kcals.
    Using provided information I calculate Answers Pork as 87.3grms/1000kcals, beef as 85.3 grams/1000 kcals and the chicken as 76.5 grms/1000kcals

  • Shawna

    Hi Aimee,

    My conversations with them have been different.?

    You are correct, I do feed an average of 45 to 54%, on a dry matter basis, but do keep in mind that that is a rotational diet and I add toppers – which I suggest to everyone. Toppers can be used to increase protein (as we all know) which in turn can decrease overall carb content AND/OR fat content. I also feed OC Rabbit 60% protein and OC Goat 77% protein.

    As you know, from previous discussions about pancreatitis, I’m not opposed to higher fat diets IF the fat is quality fat and protein needs are being met.

    “A typical prey contains 30% fat on an as fed basis” Yes, I would agree that does seem odd?

    I do understand you weren’t addressing renal patients, it was the only data I could find on their website relating to protein and kidney disease. My point was however, even here they don’t suggest that protein “damages” the kidneys. Quite the contrary, they discuss the importance of “quality” protein.

  • aimee

    Hi Shawna,

    This is what Answers sent me in an e mail: “When protein is consumed in excess it will be converted to sugar and the by products.. urea, along with excess nitrogen, sulfur and phosphorous that are left to be excreted. Through research and experience we know that over time this can have damaging effects on the liver and kidney.”

    On a caloric basis the protein content of the pork diet is ~22 % and the beef and chicken ~25%.

    I thought you said you like to feed much higher protein levels… 45-54%, which is why I said I was surprised that you fed Answers.

    I wasn’t addressing renal patients so not sure why you brought that up but doesn’t this excerpt taken from what you quoted strike you as odd… ” A typical prey contains 30% fat on an as fed basis”

    On an as fed basis a typical prey item is prob around 65-70% moisture is it not? Even if we went with the lower 65% moisture then add in their quoted 30% fat and that only leaves 5% for protein and minerals.

    If we used the entire 5% as protein the DM protein would be only be14%.

    When companies continually make errors like this one it makes me nervous.

  • Shawna

    “I don’t understand why William couldn’t have explained that” I misunderstood, I thought THIS particular comment thread was about William not responding as well as the food safety. I see now that I must respond to only certain points of the original posters comments. Thanks so much for that lesson Bobby dog. Much appreciated.

  • Bobby dog

    If Aimee, or anyone, was so time consuming and their personal time was better spent elsewhere they wouldn’t engage or reply with that person as much as you do. Battles? A bit dramatic and makes it personal which always takes the spotlight off the subject.

  • Crazy4cats

    Again, this is not about Aimee or you. This is about the safety of Answer’s products. I don’t understand why you are taking it so personal. Maybe it is safe. Maybe their website needs to be updated with more information. I will contact them myself if I need any further information. Thank you.

  • Shawna

    No, I get what you are saying. I too would have liked to have seen William answer Aimee here on DFA. As someone who has been involved in many knowledge battles with Aimee over the last six(ish) years I can say I would suggest that person be fully aware of what they are about to commit to as it is a commitment. It became so time consuming for me that I finally had to leave DFA as a regular poster. I now swing by about once a week instead of multiple times a day. I still want to help others as much as I did before but there are other venues I can do that without getting caught up in a never ending battle. It is never ending too. Small victories have been won (sorry for the metaphor) by both of us but much of what we have debated for these past six years goes on being debated. Some people chose to spend their precious time in a much more positive way (if for no one else but themselves).

    It’s almost midnight here so I’m not going to take the time to post a bunch of research but this one lists every bacteria you mention as being “sensitive” to Kombucha (which is the traditional name for fermented teas – Answer’s is being more specific by giving the exact type of tea – “green”). That’s just one of the fermented products used/recommended too.
    “The antimicrobial activity of Kombucha was investigated against a
    number of pathogenic microorganisms. Staphylococcus aureus, Shigella
    sonnei, Escherichia coli, Aeromonas hydrophila, Yersinia enterolitica,
    Pseudomonas aeruginosa, Enterobacter cloacae, Staphylococcus epidermis,
    Campylobacter jejuni, Salmonella enteritidis, Salmonella typhimurium,
    Bacillus cereus, Helicobacterpylori, and Listeria monocytogenes were
    found to be sensitive to Kombucha. According to the literature on
    Kombucha, acetic acid is considered to be responsible for the inhibitory
    effect toward a number of microbes tested, and this is also valid in
    the present study. However, in this study, Kombucha proved to exert
    antimicrobial activities against E. coli, Sh. sonnei, Sal. typhimurium,
    Sal. enteritidis, and Cm. jejuni, even at neutral pH and after thermal
    denaturation. This finding suggests the presence of antimicrobial
    compounds other than acetic acid and large proteins in Kombucha.”

    Edit—–PS — I have mentioned this before but I think it deserves repeating. I like Aimee as a person. I think we could be good friends if we knew each other in person. I also have learned from her and have become a better, more intelligent person because of her questioning ways. I understand the topic I’m discussing much better than I might otherwise have without her. You have to if you are going to debate Aimee… πŸ™‚