How to reduce calcium oxalate recurrence at dogs

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    NIR S
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    My dog had 3 times surgery to remove calcium oxalate stones from his urine system.

    i wonder which food should i gave him now, i know there is u/d by hills and urinary by royal canin whats the best option for him to reduce the chnaces that the stones will back again.

    Thanks

    #88408 Report Abuse

    anonymously
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    Have you checked the search engine here? https://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/forums/search/bladder+stones/

    I imagine your dog will have to be on a special diet for the rest of his life, I would go by whatever food your vet is recommending. I have used the Royal Canin SO in the past with good results.

    Increasing water intake helps with all types of bladder stones, frequent bathroom breaks, opportunities to urinate. Keep the bladder flushed. Stagnant conditions in the bladder are conducive to stone formation.

    Maybe 3 small meals per day with water added, they just lap it up to get to the food. In fact, I would also pre-soak the kibble overnight in the fridg.
    Increase activity, walks, reduce weight (if overweight).

    For stubborn cases like your dogs, there are prescription medications the vet may recommend. I might consider consulting a Veterinary Internal Medicine Specialist.

    #88409 Report Abuse

    anonymously
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    Some dogs have a genetic predisposition to develop calcium oxalate bladder stones.

    “Foods that are high in oxalates usually include plant-based products, such as vegetables, advises Dr. Ron Hines of 2ndChance.info. Avoid feeding Fido foods high in oxalates if your dog has been diagnosed with calcium oxalate stones in the past because they can contribute to their formation.
    These include beets, carrots, celery, kale, okra, spinach and collard greens, according to the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center. Organ meats like liver and sardines are also high in oxalates, as are foods that are naturally dangerous to dogs like chocolate, nuts and grapes. Other high-oxalate ingredients include corn and soy, along with the ingredients derived from them, according to Dr. Hines.”
    Above is an excerpt from: http://dogcare.dailypuppy.com/foods-cause-oxalate-stones-6238.html

    #88419 Report Abuse

    anonymously
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    This article is slightly off topic, however prescription dog foods are discussed.

    “More Nonsense from Holistic Vets about Commercial Therapeutic Diets”

    Posted on July 20, 2016 by skeptvet
    “One of the subjects that holistic vets and other advocates of alternative practices get really passionate about is the evils of commercial and conventional diets. They promote a laundry list of myths about pet food, many of which I’ve addressed before:”

    above is an excerpt from: http://skeptvet.com/Blog/

    #97248 Report Abuse

    Angela G
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    my 11 year old french bulldog had bladder stone surgery a few months ago he had calcium oxalate stones, his vet said we needed to feed him CD or SO he did ok at first but now he doesn’t want to eat either of them, what else can I feed him ?

    #97249 Report Abuse

    anonymous
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    I wouldn’t mess around with his diet, If the stones return it may be difficult for him to tolerate another surgery.as a senior (age11)
    Add water, presoak the kibble with water, add plain homemade chicken broth (no onions or additives)
    Put a call into your vet to call you back when he has a minute. Ask him what you can add as a topper.
    I think your vet will confirm, water added to meals and frequent bathroom breaks, opportunities to urinate are important..

    #97250 Report Abuse

    anonymous
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    PS: I hope you are not free feeding (leaving food down all day)
    These old guys do best with 2 to 4 small meals per day, measured amounts.
    Fresh water available 24/7.
    If they skip a meal or two, it’s okay…unless your vet advises you otherwise.

    #97252 Report Abuse

    Angela G
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    I bought the kibble and some cans he refuses the kibble now , I had tried the broth and soaking it he ate it for awhile but now he snubs the kibble, she said I could top it with boiled chicken breast , he also is on potassium citrate chewables. I dont free feed him and he always has fresh water. just dont know what to do since he isnt wanting to eat any of the prescription diets 🙁

    #97253 Report Abuse

    anonymous
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    How long does he go without eating? I would try to wait him out. Pick up the food if he doesn’t eat it after 10 to 20 minutes, put it in the fridg and offer at the next meal time.
    Is he underweight? Is there a reason he can’t go a day or so without eating? As long as he is drinking water, I might call the vet if he goes 72 hours without eating.

    Unless he appears to be in distress, in pain, uncomfortable, vomiting……call the vet sooner.

    #97254 Report Abuse

    Susan
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    Hi when I rescued my boy he had crystals he was put on the Royal Canin S/O Urinary wet & dry for 6 weeks…. within 6 weeks all his crystal had dissolved, he had another ultra scan done at 6 weeks & crystals were all dissolved & gone…
    The fat is pretty high in the Hills formulas 22.6% dry kibble, the Royal Canin S/O dry kibble is 17% fat, Hills have a better range in the K/D wet tins formulas.. Wet tin’s are best for kidney problems….with the dry kibble they MUST drink water & if your dog isn’t a big drinker of water then kibble isn’t a good idea…
    I don’t know if your boy is OK with higher fat diets, but as they start getting older some dogs do better on lower fat diets…

    #97255 Report Abuse

    anonymous
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    The dog doesn’t have struvite, he has calcium oxalate.

    It’s best if you stick with the recommended prescription diet. Check with your vet before making any changes.
    See my above posts “anonymously”

    #97256 Report Abuse

    Angela G
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    if I hand feed him he eats lol he had soft palate surgery as well after the kidney stone surgery . I created a monster when I hand fed after that surgery. he just had xrays done of his skull & teeth due to a bad cold he had they said there was fluid in his left sinus cavity and put him on baytril, im thinking the side effects are messing with him.

    #97257 Report Abuse

    anonymous
    Member

    That might be it. My dog had side effects from an antibiotic…it might have been baytril, I can’t remember now.
    Nausea. Poor appetite.
    The vet switched him to another antibiotic he could tolerate, probably amoxicillin. He was fine after the med change.
    Call the vet. Sometimes they have someone on call, they may advise you to hold the med…

    #97259 Report Abuse

    Susan
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    To ANON101,
    why don’t you check your information before you reply to ANY of my post….
    The Royal Canin S/O Urinary is for
    : Bacterial Cystitis
    : Dissolution of Struvite Uroliths
    : Management of RECURRENT Struvite and CALICUM OXALATE Urolithiasis IN OLDER DOGS
    The Royal Canin S/O Urinary is for all types of renal problems.

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    Angela G
    Member

    I called his vet she said they did A Nasopharyngeal culture on his snot and that baytril is the only one that is going to work

    • This reply was modified 2 years, 6 months ago by  Angela G.
    #97272 Report Abuse

    anonymous
    Member

    Okay.
    I hope his appetite improves when his course of antibiotics are over. If he’s not getting at least adequate fluids let the vet know., maybe subq fluids would help?

    My dog was on the Royal Canin S/O prescription for several months. I did have to add something to it so he would eat it though,
    He had struvite and calcium oxalate. The struvite cleared up right away with treatment. Increased water and frequent bathroom breaks seem to help with all types of bladder stones.
    I hope your dog feels better soon..
    Peace

    #97275 Report Abuse

    Angela G
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    thanks everyone …hope he gets better soon, im just stressed out

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    debra m
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    I see this is an older post but maybe someone will read it and it will help. My Maltese Bichon started getting Oxalate stones when he was 7 years old. He ended up having 3 operations roughly every year and 3 months to remove the stones. Through that time he had specialized dog foods like Royal Canin S/O , etc.. but nothing worked. A little over 3 years ago I came across an article on Oxalate stones in humans and how these people swore by Magnesium as getting rid of their stones. I studied the amounts for dogs weights and such, it’s a very small, miniscule amount, and it’s been 3 years of him being stone free. He’s 14 years old now and acts like 5. Before adding the magnesium I had started him on a people food diet. He still eats small Milk Bones for treats and loves Beggin Strips so he’s not being deprived of some dog treats, even though the milk Bones have calcium in them the Magnesium seems to negate that. I wish I knew how to write blogs so I could shout the benefits of Magnesium to the world on this but am not computer savvy. On a side note, I also have a female Shih-Tzu who had her stomach x-rayed for a different issue and stones were found. I immediately started giving her Magnesium and she may have just urinated them out but she has never had stones since and that was over 2 years ago. Please anyone reading this , try Magnesium, it has been a life saver

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    joanne l
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    Thank you for this post, I am sure everyone will appreciate it. By the way are you using human magnesium? What is the dose?

    #136225 Report Abuse

    anonymous
    Member

    Do not give supplements unless recommended by a veterinarian that has examined the dog.

    Do not give supplements that are not approved for veterinary use unless prescribed (off label) by a veterinarian that has examined the dog. Many over the counter meds and supplements intended for humans can include ingredients that are toxic to animals.

    For stubborn cases like your dogs, there are prescription medications the vet may recommend. I might consider consulting a Veterinary Internal Medicine Specialist.

    https://vcahospitals.com/know-your-pet/calcium-oxalate-bladder-stones-in-dogs (excerpt below)
    How can I prevent my dog from developing calcium oxalate bladder stones in the future?
    Dogs that have developed calcium oxalate bladder stones in the past will often be fed a therapeutic diet for life. Diets that promote less-acidic and more dilute urine are recommended. Most dogs should be fed a canned or wet diet to encourage water consumption. Dilute urine with a low urine specific gravity (Urine Specific Gravity or USpG less than 1.020) is an important part of the prevention of calcium oxalate bladder stones. In certain cases, medications to lower the urinary pH such as potassium citrate may be required. If the dog is fed a home prepared diet, Vitamin B6 is often added as a supplement. Dogs that repeatedly develop calcium oxalate bladder stones without high blood calcium levels may benefit from hydrochlorothiazide treatment.
    Dogs diagnosed with calcium oxalate stones should avoid calcium supplements unless specifically advised by your veterinarian. They should not be fed high oxalate foods such as chocolate, nuts, rhubarb, beets, green beans, and spinach.
    In addition, careful routine monitoring of the urine to detect any signs of bacterial infection is also recommended. Bladder x-rays and urinalysis will typically be performed one month after treatment and then every three to six months for the remainder of the dog’s life. Dogs displaying any clinical signs such as frequent urination, urinating in unusual places, painful urination or the presence of blood in the urine should be evaluated immediately. Unfortunately, calcium oxalate stones have a somewhat high rate of recurrence, despite careful attention to diet and lifestyle.
    Contributors: Ernest Ward, DVM

    #136314 Report Abuse

    debra m
    Member

    I use NOW Magnesium Citrate powder, and a very miniscule amount, hardly a pinch, every other day. When I started this I read it was 3 to 5 mg per pound but to play it safe I have always used less. I wish I could remember the web address of the site but its been too long. I hope this is of help, best wishes

    #136315 Report Abuse

    anonymous
    Member

    https://www.plumbsveterinarydrugs.com/sites/default/files/VMG-Magnesium-Citrate-2019-01-30-1225.pdf
    Excerpts (out of context) below, click on link for full article.

    Magnesium Citrate (mag-nee-zee-um si-trate) Description: Laxative (Anti-Constipation) Other Names for this Medication: ​Citrate of Magnesia
    Common Dosage Forms: Veterinary: None. Human: 1.745 g/30 mL oral liquid; 100 mg tablets.
    This information sheet does not contain all available information for this medication. It is to help answer commonly asked questions and help you give the medication safely and effectively to your animal. If you have other questions or need more information about this medication, contact your veterinarian or pharmacist.
    Key Information Used to treat constipation. Magnesium citrate should not be given within 2 hours of giving other medications. Magnesium citrate is available OTC (over-the-counter; without a prescription).
    Do not give magnesium citrate (or any other OTC medications) to your animal without first consulting a veterinarian.
    How is this medication useful? Magnesium citrate is used to treat constipation, and can be used to completely empty the contents of the intestines (bowel cleanse) before a procedure. The FDA (U.S. Food & Drug Administration) has approved this drug for use in humans but it is not officially approved for use in animals. The FDA allows veterinarians to prescribe products containing this drug in different species or for other conditions in certain situations. You and your veterinarian can discuss why this drug is the most appropriate choice.

    What are the side effects of this medication?
    Side effects that usually are not serious include: Diarrhea. You don’t have to be overly concerned if you see this unless it is severe, worsens, or continues to be a problem. Contact your veterinarian if this happens.
    If my animal gets too much of this medication (an overdose), what should I do?
    Overdoses of magnesium citrate can cause an excess amount of magnesium in the body, which can cause weakness and heart problems. If you witness or suspect an overdose, contact your veterinarian or an animal poison control center for further advice. Animal poison control centers that are open 24 hours a day include: : Pet Poison HELPLINE (855-764-7661) and ASPCA Animal Poison Control Center (888-426-4435); a consultation fee is charged for these services.

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