I haven’t seen any canned sardine that didn’t have salt. Bummer….
Just noticed I spelled your user name incorrectly sorry *pugmomsandy!
Yeah, Louie doesn’t like eating at the bowl, he loves to take his food out and chew it over our very nice floor rungs -_- LOL. Outside it shall be!
Yay! Don’t forget to prepare it and feed it outside the first time! The first time I fed it a dog from down the street came over!
pugsmomandy thanks so much for recommending greentripe.com to me! Turns out, the company’s warehouse is 15 minutes away from my house!! I asked if I can do a pick-up, thanks so much, I never would have found it without you AH! I’m very excited ^_^
The green tripe that was available in Salinas was canned ($4 a can, ouch) 🙁 I really wanted raw. But I picked up some ground frozen chicken patties with bone and organs for $1.50 per pound. Not TOO shabby since I get to forgo the cost of shipping and don’t have to grind myself.
ALSO, I found out that greentripe.com is based in Hollister! Literally, the warehouse is 15 minutes away from my house o_O I emailed to ask if pick-up was possible. I hope so!
Patty the vets never found the worms. His stool sample was clean as a whistle like it always has been. All I know is they were white and about as long as my pinky nail. They gave him the wormer anyways. Of course I never thought to bring that poop I saw them in with me! I figured if I was seeing them then it would show up on a sample.
I now incorporate 2tbsp of DE into his morning meal and since the 3rd day on raw I am happy to report his loose stool issue has ceased so far! So hopefully if the wormer didn’t take care of it the DE will, but I’ve read it can take anywhere from 30 to 60 days. I however will be feeding DE every day 365 days a year from now on. Will keep this problem from cropping up again.
I will be giving her probiotics and digestive enzymes, but haven’t gotten around to getting those. I need to do that soon. I will definitely try giving her the raw only and seeing how she does. Thanks!
I have heard from one person whose dog does that and her dog can handle raw just fine when it isn’t given with kibble, she just can’t mix them. Everybody else, including myself, has no trouble with mixing raw and kibble. Try giving her just a little bit of raw all by itself and see what happens. Do you give probiotics or digestive enzymes? Because it could be a case of not having the right microflora, they do help with digestion. Also, some dogs don’t produce enough stomach acid to close the valve at the top of the stomach so they have acid reflux, and what they eat does have an effect on that, so adding a little apple cider vinegar to her food may help.
One of my dogs has thrown up every time she has eaten raw meat except once. I’m not giving her a large amount, just enough for her to taste and get used to eating meat. Could it be the fact that her digestive tract is not strong enough? My other 2 dogs do just fine. I’m really hoping she can eventually eat raw because that’s what I want to switch them to. Right now I am mixing in the small amount of raw with kibble, so maybe that is her problem?
Raw meat has digestive enzymes in it, enough for your dog to make up the rest. If you find after being off of the digestive enzymes for a few days one of them starts to have really stinky gas, then add digestive enzymes to that ones food. Micah will always get enzymes for that reason, he just needs the extra help. Yes, Swansons has many that are good. This one is fine.
http://www.swansonvitamins.com/swanson-premium-digestive-enzymes-180-tabs
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Resurrecting my thread……I am hoping to have two of my dogs on Darwins for one meal and probably The Honest Kitchen for the second meal (may be kibble off & on, for ease). HDM, in the sixth post on the first page, you say if a healthy dog is eating raw or dehydrated, they probably don’t need digestive enzymes. Does Darwins “count” as raw or did you mean something not pre made?
If you think they should keep on the digestive enzymes, do you know if there are any at Swansons that are good? I’m finishing up the Mercola and it’s too expensive, would rather order from Swansons as I have a whole list of stuff to order from there. Anyone else is welcomed to respond as well, thank you!
Can anyone offer suggestions/experience/advice if vitamin or other supplements are necessary to add to a raw diet and mixed 5 star wet and 5 star kibble for a Vizsla puppy. This will be my 3rd Vizsla – want to start off doing things as best as I can this time now that I have learned more information (scared about what I didn’t know before – its no wonder the first two died of cancer). I’m all for preparing most of the raw diet recipes I’ve seen and then interchanging with some of the higher end 5 star wet and dry mixes but I don’t want to overlook any nutritional supplements that may be inadvertently left out – especially at the puppy phase.
Mine use to do that when we first added raw to the diet, but not anymore. Can you catch some and test it’s pH?
If you get a big container and can’t use it up in several days then yes you can freeze but I’ve ony seen small containers of sardines and they’re gone in 2 seconds! I mix a couple sardines into their raw food when i make it with chicken and duck. You don’t need supplementation when you feed fish.
Ok, so, I have a bit of a strange question, well, atleast it’s strange to me. Since I’ve started Bailey on raw, she isn’t drinking nearly as much water, obviously. She does drink and it’s not like she drank ALOT of water before, but it is noticeably less now. Anyways, there are so many dead patches in my grass from where she pees now, so I’m thinking it’s probably because she’s not drinking as much water, even though she’s getting more moisture content from her food. Has anyone else noticed this with their dogs that are on raw and/or is there anything I can do to prevent it? Or, maybe it’s a vitamin deficiency that I’m not aware of…..?
Awesome, thanks! If I use sardines as a topper can I freeze the leftovers? Would I still need to supplement with krill if she has sardines with her meal? Mila’s only had primal freeze dried turkey and sardines. Does sardines go well with other proteins other than turkey?
Do you mean Bravo Balance or is this something else?
Sardines packed in water or olive oil (if that exists), and no added salt. There are many brands to chose from. It depends on if you want wild caught, or fair trade or something special like that. I bought a special one before and it was $3 or more for one package! Now I just get wild caught sardines whole at the Mexican market for less than $1.50/lb. I caught a sale and they were $1.19/lb. There is also canned fish in big cans (like soup cans). I’ve seen mackerel and salmon and some other kinds of fish in 15 oz (approx) cans.
When using a premix, use what the premix says to use, usually boneless meats from the store. The only thing I would worry about adding to a premix that it might not sat is omega 3s, everything else should be in there, and the omega 3s might be, but they are very sensitive to degradation.
Fresh from the store should be parasite free, I still freeze pork, just in case. Also, if you know any hunters and get meat from them, that needs to be frozen first.
As long as the expired stuff has not defrosted and been refrozen, I would feed it. Just be aware that some of the vitamins may have degraded and don’t feed solely it for a long period.
What kind of sardines would you suggest? (certain brand) The sardines in water would be best, right?
I use a small amount of fish, three times a week. I currently have herring and they get one tablespoon three times weekly.
He-he! It’s a mixture of stinky sneakers and sewage! Oddly enough, by babies’ diapers smelled just like tripe the other day! OMG! What is that mama eating!!!
& just to warn you, in case nobody has yet, when you buy some green tripe, it’s supposed to smell like that! Lol! I wanted to see what all the fuss was about over the smell when I first started feeding it to my dog, so I took a big whiff, boy was I sorry. Dogs love it though!
Yay! Oh goodness thank you guys ^_^
I found a local place over here in Salinas, CA that sells green tripe! My fiancee and I will be headed over there tomorrow hopefully to check out the prices and variety. It sounds like green tripe is all-around great for my Louie I’m so excited!
Hey guys, sorry, I have some more questions regarding raw. I work at an upscale pet boutique and we sell commercial raw diets. I was given expired Nature’s Variety frozen raw for free because we obviously cannot sell that to the public. It expired in October of 2012. I was told it would be fine to feed because it has been frozen the entire time, but I’m a little uneasy to feed it. What opinions do y’all have about this? Also, if I decide to use a premix for raw instead of kibble will I need to add any supplements or will the premix have that covered (I’m assuming it will)? I like what I read about Nupro and wouldn’t mind using that as a supplement if needed. I will be adding probiotics and digestive enzymes. Do y’all recommend feeding fresh meats from the store or commercial raw to add to the premix? If I feed fresh from the store do I need to freeze for a few days to kill off any parasites? I’m just paranoid I’m going to screw something up, but I’m honestly tired of feeding kibble because no matter what the quality is it just doesn’t seem good enough for me.
Okay! So, if he were to eat one pound per day of a normal meal (which would be wayyyy too much for him), I would give .75 pounds of the everyday mixture and then .25 pounds of the sardines, herring, or whathaveyou?
According to my recipe book, I can substiture fish for 25% of my meat mixture. Sometimes I mix some whole sardines in and sometimes I just feed them a whole sardine.
I wonder if my Silky would need more oils, I’ll probably start out with one meal a week and then watch his coat.
I only use small amounts so no, they won’t mess up the balance. And you have a couple choices on how to incorporate fish. If you feed 2 meals a day, feed one or two meals a week of oily fish, most of what I’ve read said one, but one source was talking about dogs that seemed to need more oils and it suggested twice a week. The other way is to divide that amount up and feed some every day.
Okay and those won’t mess up the balance of the meal? How much of the fish should I put in?
Okay… I feel like I’m getting it a little now. LOL. I’m a work in progress, I know.
I add in some antioxidant rich fruit, like berries and for omega 3s it’s oily fish like sardines, salmon, and herring, or some canned oysters.
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Also, does green tripe contain any omega-3’s? Should I add some sources of omega-3’s if not? What are a few different sources of omega-3’s that I can rotate between for variety?
Cyndi is right when she was talking about how great DFA is! It’s so great to be able to come on here and get real opinions from real people without alternative agendas!
Okay!
And the other things I might want to add would be fiber and vitamins? What about fruit?
(Sorry, just wanting to clarify) 😀
Would one 4 or 5 mg pill be enough for a 50 lb dog? I think I saw the pills they have on Puritan’s Pride (where we order from ALL THE TIME!) they were either 5 or 6 mg. I definitely want to get on raw feeding and she absolutely loves raw food and has no stomach issues with it but I have to get this skin rash sorted out and all healed up before I can think about anything else. It appears as if the NV instinct LID Turkey is going to work out…she’s already stopped scratching. I had noticed every day on the Earthborn that her itching was coming back more. I’ll have to return the unused portion of that.
Right now I have Mercola astaxanthin for people – 4 mg capsule. I give it when I feed them raw because they don’t even notice it’s in there!! Stick a raw meat ball in their mouth and down the hatch without even blinking. I’ve got a homemade baggie thawing out right now.
For all the meat proteins they boast, why do they say the food is 52.5% carbs dry matter with protein and fat making up 55%? That is what gets me. That doesn’t make sense. The numbers don’t add up. And they didn’t reply to Dr Mike’s questions so it is not reviewed.
i made this thread to put the awarness out there of a good food for many different issues that dogs have.. thats all. whether the food is or isnt a type of dehyrdrated raw – ive done alot of research myself and others have and the company says it not on any packaging but when i spoke to them-.
so whether theyre wrong, so be it. and i will appoligize if thats the case.
I would completly agree with everyone else on beneful and purina, whiskas, iams and those companies who advertise how amazing they are and they arent. i know there are lawsuits out there against beneful because there dogs get so sick.. i would never feed my dog nor recommend a food sold in grocery stores. or any food with corn, by products, gluten and so forth,
it sickens me as well that companys are able to get away with things, and how companys lie proctor and gamble who have no business owning pet foods, can buy natura pets .. as we have all seen the massive recalls recently. Even most vet foods arent that good either however sometimes i understand a dog needs to be on it. my dog was on medi-cal hepatic for a long time for her liver and it didnt help… when i learned about canine caviar special needs for the first time a while ago i put her on it and her liver enzymes have gone down now.. so ALL i wanted to do was spread the word that i have clients and myself on this food and its doing fantastic things for many different dog problems, or just allow them to have normal bowel movements as the food isnt filled with alot of stuff.
this thread was not intended to be a back and forth argument. there is alot of stuff i know a lot of people disagree with the things dr. mike does say, or how he gives out his stars. its not just me, im just voicing i disagree with him on some things. some things i do agree with other i do not. why should foods with 5 stars be allowed to be a 5 star food if it constantly has recalls? i base my food on ingrediants, and also recalls are taken into consideration.
i just want people to know that CC is a good food and does good things ! i could easily of started a thread of another food, but right now i know many people who arent aware of this food because in canada its newer and hasnt been around that long here, i know its been around since for about 15-17 years or so in the United States.
thats all i wanted to do.
Does anyone have information about Balance Diet? It is uncooked/not heated etc. It is supposed to be “better than raw”. Anyone ever/does use it? Thoughts? I’m getting a golden retriever puppy soon and because organic raw ingredients (besides B&E chicken necks) are expensive and hard to find in my rural area I thought this would be a good alternative. Any feedback would be *very* much appreciated regarding Balance Diet (not to be confused with Natural Balance kibble, ick). Thank you, Linda
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You sure buy into advertising easily. Saying something provides the benefits of raw is merely adverting – dehydrated foods are heated to a high enough temperature that they are no longer raw. Yes they are less processed than kibble – but they are by no means “raw.” THK even explains this on their website. Raw foods come in the refrigerator or freezer. End of story. I don’t see what this has to do with Canine Caviar anyways?? Canine Caviar is a processed, cooked kibble containing meat meals which are doubly processed.
they are LIKE – not are raw. and some companies do infact say they are dehydrated raw.
right on Canisources website “Unlike other dehydrated foods, there is no need to hydrate CaniSource. This gives the benefits of a raw diet with the convenience of a kibble!”
Smack pet food “We make the world’s best raw dehydrated food for dogs and cats” OH and right off of DFA’s website he has 5 stars given to this company – /dog-food-reviews/smack-dog-food/
i can keep going on if your still 99.9% sure and want to claim raw is raw.. not dehydrated.. again thats your opinion.
I hate to break it to you but I’m 99.9% positive that none of those companies claim to be raw.
no one is saying that raw is exactly a raw kibble, there is so many dehydrated raw companies out there. canisource, k9 choice, honest kitchen, these are all types of good dehydrated raws. i would always recommend going with real raw , but not some people dont always have the time, nor funds, or want to deal with raw itself.
when your not just feeding your animals and working in the industry its different. everyone will always have their own opinions.
Raw is raw,not cooked nor dehydrated.
i will still beg to differ. ive done my research, and i completly dissagree with a lot of the things this Dog food advisor says about his grading.. he has under 5 stars foods: EVO, innova, canidae… those foods arent that great. this man has his opinions and other people have theirs and thats why there are forums available.
canine caviar offers GRAIN FREE options of there foods. its flash cooked for 6 sections at 180 degrees. the maker of the food is on record saying this all . so i will beg to differ
REGARDLESS IF YOU FEEL ITS NOT RAW – ITS STILL A FANTASTIC FOOD !!!!!!! IT HELPS DOGS AND I WOULD GIVE IT 5/5 AND I WOULD ALSO GIVE EVO, INNOVA, CANIDAE AND MANNNNNY OTHER CRAPPY FOODS THAT ARE RATED 5 STARTS A MUCH LOWER RATING.
rating those types of dog foods makes me laugh, most people that walk into my store would NEVER go onto that food because they are SMART enough to know that theyre crap .. theres no way they can compare to a 5 star food like acana or orijen but theyre rated the same…. its bullsh!t
Actually, you’re very incorrect. 🙂
1) Raw diets are high in moisture – one of the main reasons they’re more species-appropriate.
2) Species-appropriate raw diets do not contain starches and grains.
3) Species-appropriate diets are high in protein (>40%)
4) Raw diets contain living foods with intact enzymes – cooked kibbles do not.
5) Canine Caviar contains meat meals, if you think they’re dehydrated. Meat meals are cooked at EXTREMELY high temperatures the RECOOKED in the kibble – about as processed as you can get.
6) There also is not a whole lot of animal-based protein in this with the chickpeas being so high on the ingredients list (which is why this food is not rated 5 stars). Raw diets contain predominantly animal-based protein (>90%) – I would guesstimate this food at ~70% animal-based protein, at the most.
actually yes the food is similar to a raw diet.
the food is flash cooked for 6 sections and its dehydrated so there is more protein in there. ive done my research with this company and its like a dehydrated raw diet. there are many other dehydrated raw diets out there in kibble form with lower protein levels.
Tripe is usually only lightly rinsed so your dog is getting a good amount of greens(depending on what the cow ate last), probiotics, and digestive enzymes as well as protein and fat. It’s the other things you might want to add.
Also, if you are feeding a meal that you know is high in calcium and phosphorus, but pretty well balanced, you can add tripe to lower the overall amounts, but not throw off the balance.
