Orijen Dog Food (Dry)

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Rating: ★★★★★

Orijen Dog Food receives the Advisor’s top rating of 5 stars.

The Orijen product line includes six dry dog foods, five claimed to meet AAFCO nutrient profiles for all life stages and one (Senior) for adult maintenance.

The following is a list of recipes available at the time of this review.

  • Orijen Adult
  • Orijen Puppy
  • Orijen Senior
  • Orijen Six Fish
  • Orijen Puppy Large
  • Orijen Regional Red

Orijen Adult was selected to represent the other products in the line for this review.

Orijen Adult Dog

Dry Dog Food

Estimated Dry Matter Nutrient Content

Protein = 42% | Fat = 20% | Carbs = 30%

Ingredients: Boneless chicken, chicken meal, chicken liver, whole herring, boneless turkey, turkey meal, turkey liver, whole eggs, boneless walleye, whole salmon, chicken heart, chicken cartilage, herring meal, salmon meal, chicken liver oil, red lentils, green peas, green lentils, sun-cured alfalfa, yams, pea fibre, chickpeas, pumpkin, butternut squash, spinach greens, carrots, red delicious apples, bartlett pears, cranberries, blueberries, kelp, licorice root, angelica root, fenugreek, marigold, sweet fennel, peppermint leaf, chamomile, dandelion, summer savory, rosemary, Enterococcus faecium, supplements: vitamin A, vitamin D3, vitamin E, niacin, riboflavin, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12, zinc proteinate, iron proteinate, manganese proteinate, copper proteinate, selenium yeast

Fiber (estimated dry matter content) = 5.6%

Red items when present indicate controversial ingredients

Estimated Nutrient Content
MethodProteinFatCarbs
Guaranteed Analysis38%18%NA
Dry Matter Basis42%20%30%
Calorie Weighted Basis35%40%25%

The first ingredient in this dog food is chicken. Although it is a quality item, raw chicken contains about 80% water. After cooking, most of that moisture is lost, reducing the meat content to just a fraction of its original weight.

After processing, this item would probably account for a smaller part of the total content of the finished product.

The second ingredient is chicken meal. Chicken meal is considered a meat concentrate and contains nearly 300% more protein than fresh chicken.

The third ingredient is chicken liver. This is an organ meat sourced from a named animal and thus considered a beneficial component.

The next two ingredients are herring and turkey, additional quality raw items. After processing, this item would probably account for a smaller part of the total content of the finished product.

The sixth ingredient is turkey meal, another protein-rich meat concentrate.

The seventh ingredient includes turkey liver. This is an organ meat sourced from a named animal and thus considered a beneficial component.

The eighth ingredient is whole eggs. Eggs are easy to digest and have an exceptionally high biological value.

The next two ingredients include walleye and salmon, items high in protein but also omega 3 fatty acids, essential oils needed by every dog to sustain life. After processing, these items would probably account for a smaller part of the total content of the finished product.

The next ingredient is chicken heart. Although it doesn’t sound very appetizing to us humans, heart tissue is pure muscle — all meat. It’s naturally rich in quality protein, minerals and complex B vitamins, too.

Next on the ingredient list is chicken cartilage, a source of both glucosamine and chondroitin sulfate — natural substances believed to support joint health.

After chicken cartilage we find herring meal and salmon meal, yet two more high protein meat concentrates.

Fish meal is typically obtained from the “clean, dried, ground tissue of undecomposed whole fish and fish cuttings” of commercial fish operations.1

From here, the list goes on to include a number of other items.

But to be realistic, ingredients located this far down the list (other than nutritional supplements) are not likely to affect the overall rating of this product.

With seven notable exceptions

First, we note the inclusion of red and green lentils. Lentils are a quality source of carbohydrates. Plus (like all legumes) they’re rich in natural fiber.

However, lentils contain about 25% protein, a factor that must be considered when judging the actual meat content of this dog food.

Next, this recipe also contains chickpeas, also known as garbanzo beans. Like peas, bean and lentils, the chickpea is a nutritious member of the fiber-rich legume (or pulse) family of vegetables.

However, chickpeas contain about 22% protein, a factor that must be considered when judging the actual meat content of this dog food.

In addition, we find peas. Peas are a quality source of carbohydrates. And like all legumes, they’re rich in natural fiber.

However, peas contain about 25% protein, a factor that must be considered when judging the meat content of this dog food.

Next, although dried alfalfa is high in plant protein (about 18%) and fiber (25%), this hay-family item is more commonly associated with horse feeds.

We also note this recipe contains selenium yeast. Unlike the more common inorganic form of selenium (sodium selenite), this natural yeast supplement is considered a safer anti-cancer alternative.

Next, the company appears to have applied friendly bacteria to the surface of the kibble after cooking. These special probiotics are used to enhance a dog’s digestive and immune functions.

And lastly, this food also contains chelated minerals, minerals that have been chemically attached to protein. This makes them easier to absorb. Chelated minerals are usually found in better dog foods.

Orijen Dog Food
The Bottom Line

Judging by its ingredients alone, Orijen Dog Food looks like an above-average dry product.

But ingredient quality by itself cannot tell the whole story. We still need to estimate the product’s meat content before determining a final rating.

The dashboard displays a dry matter protein reading of 42%, a fat level of 20% and estimated carbohydrates of about 30%.

As a group, the brand features an average protein content of 42% and a mean fat level of 19%. Together, these figures suggest a carbohydrate content of 30% for the overall product line.

And a fat-to-protein ratio of about 46%.

Above-average protein. Above-average fat. And below-average carbs when compared to a typical dry dog food.

Even when you consider the protein-boosting effects of the red and green lentils, green peas, chickpeas and dried alfalfa, this looks like the profile of a kibble containing a significant amount of meat.

Bottom line?

Orijen is a grain-free meat-based dry dog food using an abundance of various named meats and organs as its main sources of animal protein, thus earning the brand 5 stars.

Enthusiastically recommended.

Please note certain recipes are sometimes given a higher or lower rating based upon our estimate of their total meat content and (when appropriate) their fat-to-protein ratios.

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Other spellings: Origen, Orijin

Notes and Updates

08/28/2014 Last Update

  1. Association of American Feed Control Officials
  • theBCnut

    If you are thinking of going from foods that are as low quality as those to something as high test as this, if you wait until the bag is gone, you are going to have HORRENDOUS diarrhea on your hands. You need to mix the two foods together and SLOWLY increase the new food. It could take a month for your dog’s body to adjust to such a HUGE change. Even then, you might want to try a middle of the road food first and take improving his nutrition in steps.

  • rashad jackson

    i have a cane corso…i usually switch between purina…beneful and pedigree but with the recently article i read about purina im switching after this bag is gone! he hasnt had any health problems…not yet at least hes only 2
    would orijen be good for a cane corso?

  • Dori

    Hey, that’s funny BC. My daughter-in law gave me a T shirt that says Dogs are like potatoe chips, you can’t just have one. There’s a picture of three dogs on it.

  • theBCnut

    At least I don’t have that issue. I don’t like either!!

    Border Collies, potato chips, who knew?

  • theBCnut

    Just be aware that chicken is probably the most common food that dogs react to.
    Border Collies, potato chips, who knew?

  • GSDsForever

    This can be annoying in the grocery store shopping for human food too, as there are always mislabeled “yams” and “sweet potatoes.” And there are different varieties of sweet potatoes too.

    I cook and bake many family recipes with them, and I have to sort through them at stores and basically ignore how they are (mis)labeled in favor of what I can recognize and know I need in a recipe.

  • Capt Donna

    Thank You – I have an email into them – will try calling to confirm – having a horrendous time since Nov with a *yeasty* dog and hate Kenalog shots. Never had yeasty paws normally once a year it was rump/hips only now SMH ! As I said gone *home made/rice free* so far so good just like to make sure before we attempt any kibble etc.. Treats are chicken gizzards/hearts and not often.

  • theBCnut

    Not Katie, but yams are a different veg from sweet potatoes, BUT sometimes sweet potatoes are incorrectly identified as yams, so it is best to contact the company and ask them directly.

  • GSDsForever

    I agree with you regarding your discussion of Omega 3. And I agree with you that Champion deserves credit for Omega 3, EPA/DHA.

    Like you, it’s one of the criteria I use to evaluate dog foods I feed and recommend — although I have ultimately preferred a different food (which also has high Omega 3, from fish and grass fed/pastured meats) to Champion’s Orijen/Acana. The temperature and processing time for foods containing Omega 3 matter as well. I also add pumps of quality cold processed wild Alaskan salmon oil to the food at meal time.

    On a different measure of quality, I do think Champion needs to work on improving their formulas’ digestibility values, particularly for a “super premium” food.

    With regard to fish, I also would like to see Champion use exclusively wild caught salmon (vs an undisclosed mix of farmed) — as I don’t regard farmed as healthful and safe. It’s a higher quality standard I’d like to see Champion meet.

  • Capt Donna

    Katie,
    Question for you since you are the only one mentioning coat/skin. I’ve been through the gammit trying to help my (rescue Char Pei/hound mix) canine furr baby who is allergic to grains, potatoes etc.. LONG story short – did you have any YEASTY issues with yours prior to using Origen ?? Right now she’s on Home Made with DinOvite Supplements ..

  • Dog Lover Plus

    “I don’t know why vets sell it.”

    The short answer? Kick backs. Science Diet even runs a veterinary college. No bias there…

  • Dog Lover Plus

    There are three major reasons I’ll stick with this manufacturer. Champion Petfoods, which also makes Acana

    The first is that they are completely transparent up front about how andwere they source their food from. If this is important to you, this brand covers that base.

    The second is that all their dog food labeling includes information about what the Omega 6 to Omega 3 ratio is. (It should be at lest 5 to 1 or better as Omega 6’s are biologically prioritized in the body, which means if this ratio is out of whack, your pet will not benefit from the Omega 3’s, which are anti-inflamatory and instead use up the omega 6’s first, which are inflammatory, but still very important for biological responses).

    The third is that they also include how much DHA/EPA Omega 3’s are included in each of their selections.

    The reason that this is so important is because plant based ALA Omega 3’s have a biological availability of only 10% according to a Harvard study. That means it would take 10 times as much oil from plants to get the same amount of Fish based DHA/EPA omega 3’s (the biologically available kind, meaning it’s not simply excreted)

    When you look at the labels of other manufacturers you will see something like: Omega 3 content: .75%, which is their way to get around the fact that they don’t include the kind you want them to have. The kind that their bodies can actually use.

    The recommended daily intake of combined DHA/EPA is 20 to 55 mg per pound, which comes out to anywhere from .5% kibble content to over 1%. A plant based Omega 3 kibble would have to contain 5% to over 10% oil, by weight, to accommodate this, which is extremely oily, with 90% of that being excreted…messy.

    So, you can see why they simply label their products as containing .75% Omega 3 content instead of putting all that extra oil into the food. What this means is that a product using plant based ALA Omega 3’s with a ratio of 5 to 1 (Omega 6 to Omega 3) really has a 50 to 1 ratio, which makes the inclusion of Omega 3’s nothing more than a facade, as they will never be processed due to the prioritization of Omega 6’s in their bodies.

  • Dog Lover Plus

    Acana is made by the same company “Champion Petfoods”. Their regional line is grain free. Their regular line includes certain grains.

    There are three major reasons I’ll stick with this manufacturer.

    The first is that they are completely transparent up front about how and were they source their food from. If this is important to you, this brand covers that base.

    The second is that all their dog food labeling includes information about what the Omega 6 to Omega 3 ratio is. (It should be at lest 5 to 1 or better as Omega 6’s are biologically prioritized in the body, which means if this ratio is out of whack, your pet will not benefit from the Omega 3’s, which are anti-inflamatory and instead use up the omega 6’s first, which are inflammatory, but still very important for biological responses).

    The third is that they also include how much DHA/EPA Omega 3’s are included in each of their selections.

    The reason that this is so important is because plant based ALA Omega 3’s have a biological availability of only 10% according to a Harvard study. That means it would take 10 times as much oil from plants to get the same amount of DHA/EPA omega 3’s (the biologically available kind, meaning it’s not simply excreted, think fish)

    When you look at the labels of other manufacturers you will see something like: Omega 3 content: .75%, which is their way to get around the fact that they don’t include the kind you want them to have. The kind that their bodies can actually use.

    The recommended daily intake of combined DHA/EPA is 20 to 55 mg per pound, which comes out to anywhere from .5% kibble content to over 1%. A plant based Omega 3 kibble would have to contain 5% to over 10% oil, by weight, to accommodate this, which is extremely oily, with 90% of that being excreted…messy.

    So, you can see why they simply label their products as containing .75% Omega 3 content instead of putting all that extra oil into the food. What this means is that a product using plant based ALA Omega 3’s with a ratio of 5 to 1 (Omega 6 to Omega 3) really has a 50 to 1 ratio, which makes the inclusion of Omega 3’s nothing more than a facade, as they will never be processed by their due to the prioritization of Omega 6’s in their bodies.

  • Crazy4cats

    It’s almost as expensive!

  • Vaness L

    I just fed my dog Orijen for the first time. You would think I fed her a filet because she will not leave the pantry where I keep the dog food. She is pretty picky and gets upset stomach often so hopefully it agrees with her stomach as well as it did with her taste buds.

  • Ray Korbyl

    For all those people that talk smack about orijen and acana I took a tour of champion pet foods facility in mornville Alberta,canada and I can say they are the real deal,there food is real human grade food,I would feed there meats to my kids..Its so clean you can eat off the floor,cleaner than my house and they are truly family run business and they don’t take any short cuts to making there dog food,it is truly human grade so all you people that knock down orijen and acana,I was one of them, its not because of there quality,its because its to rich for a lot of dog that have been eating much lower quality dog foods,I don’t think there’s a dog food on the market that has as high of quality of ingredients and that’s why a lot of dogs can’t handle it and it takes alot longer to transition to orijen,I no my one dog couldn’t handle it but the other could because we always had him on good dog food or what I thought was good dog food but after my visit to champion pet foods facility I am going to try acana because it has limited ingredients in the singles (lamb and okanagan apple and pork and butternut squash)hope one of them works,and for anyone that might think I Wrk for the company I don’t Wrk for the company i wrk in the oil patch and I will say champion pet food is a very very good company..I don’t think there a better dog food company out there..

  • Christine Daley

    I am with you Katie. I believe Orijen to be a quality product for our pups. They just love it and their coats are so soft and shiny!! Happy and healthy!!!

  • Christine Daley

    Why not just try another flavor of Orijen. The adult is the chicken formula. Try the 6 fish or the regional red. Guaranteed your pup will love!! My 3 labs do!!

  • Avery C

    Interesting! Thanks for the info, Becky!

  • Becky Margason

    Hi Avery, I ended up just sending a quick message to the Orijen customer care site and received this message.

    “It’s common for dogs to drink more water when eating ORIJEN or ACANA. As they are much higher in protein and highly nutrient dense, they require more water intake to facilitate digestion (think of ORIJEN and ACANA as a very condensed or dehydrated version of a RAW diet). The increased water consumption is healthy as it dilutes the urine which reduces the occurrence of urinary crystals.”

  • Katie Hannah

    I am loving Orijen Six Fish for my pit mix with allergies/sensitivities (we avoid any grains and chicken). I rotate protein sources every now and then and she seems to do really well on a fish-based food. Orijen is expensive but I am feeding less of it than I have with other brands (We’ve also done Merrick, Earthborn Holistic, Canidae, Grandma Lucy’s, Honest Kitchen). Her weight has been much more consistent on Orijen and her skin looks really good – better than it has on previous food we’ve tried. She LOVES it and I feel confident in the Company and the high quality of ingredients used.

  • Kristin Mosley

    Sure! I found that if my allergenic dog has a diet too high on carbs, its chronic fungal ear infections the whole time. I had him on Fromm, and that’s exactly what happened. I looked it up again on this site, and almost kicked myself. like I said, I give my dog some raw meat and fruits and veggies and that switches it up from time to time. I also put coconut oil on their food and give them yogurt with a raw egg in it a few times a week. Raw eggs have the most complete amino acid structure there is, and yogurt is great for the immune system and the digestive system. So is raw honey. A teaspoon of that once in a while would help a tummy, and aloe is all around great for the digestive system too. I also sprinkle dandelion on their food a couple times a week. It helps to keep their organs clean. I treated one of my dogs with it when she had a high liver enzyme count. Her levels improved greatly. Ive had a lot of success with herbs and natural remedies for dogs. I very extensively do my research but some things work even better than drugs. Like my dog has better relief from his hay fever allergies with stinging nettle than any OTC antihistamine that my vet suggested. I’m sure you could find lots to help her tummy.

  • Avery C

    Kristin, thank you so much for your comment! I had no idea about all of the carbohydrates in B2B. Wish I had done a little more research before feeding this to my dog. I’ll stick with Orijen and only rotate within the brand for now. I definitely have some research to do before trying any new foods. Thanks again!

  • Kristin Mosley

    I’m so glad you did! I read the label of a bag of Science Diet at the vet, and it had BHA in it as a preservative. That ingredient is illegal in just about every other civilized country in the world to be put into human food because of the health risks. I don’t know why vets sell it. Also, with your little dog, look into getting titer tests to test the levels of immunity instead of just vaccinating them according to your vet’s schedule. They give the same vaccines to large dogs and little dogs. Their little bodies cannot handle the toxins. I have two vaccine damaged pets who both got really sick after their vaccines. One pet has a disease that he only got after he was vaccinated for it, and now he has it for life. And one vaccine at a time. Don’t let them group them together. I personally know of three of my friend’s little dogs who have died in the last couple of years from organ failure that came out of nowhere. That’s toxin related. I also use natural flea and tick repellant, and just get him routinely checked for heartworms instead of just giving him heartworm meds all the time. There are natural treatments for heartworm prevention too. I question and research every single thing they give to my dog, and a lot of what vets do is totally unnecessary, and causes early death. I don’t blame them, they are just trying to make a buck, and I do believe they care about animals, but they didn’t go to school for 10 years to be poor. They get too much influence from the pharmaceutical companies. Sorry to be so off topic…

  • Kristin Mosley

    If you look at the analysis and the ingredient list, Back to basics is 50% carbohydrate. The carbohydrates listed are all starchy, which could cause some inflammation in her digestive tract. And you’re paying a premium price for a dog food that is half peas, potatoes, and tapioca. Also, the ingredients list of B2B lists “natural flavorings”. As dog food is not regulated like human food is regulated that could mean darn near anything, and something in that could be irritating your dog’s stomach. I cannot tell you how many hours I’ve spent researching dog food, and a lot of companies use too many fillers. Evo is very similar to Orijen, but they are owned by Proctor and Gamble, and they do have recalls occasionally for Salmonella, which if your dog has a sensitive stomach and you get a bad bag, well, I don’t want to think what would happen. If you want to give your dog some variety, give them some raw meat. But it frozen and thaw it out. Otherwise, rotate flavors within the Orijen brand. I have an allergenic dog, and a dog with liver problems. I want the purest food out there. I think Orijen is the best for the price, even if it is a steep price. Dogs are not supposed to have all the ridiculous amounts of starchy fillers that almost all dog food companies put in their food.

  • John W

    Becky, my female dog, 8 year old shepherd/unknown mix, began drinking a ton of water about 3 weeks ago, this was prior to switching her to the Six Fish. Then she started to literally push her water bowl around and was apparent she craved even more water. Took her to our vet who ran some tests and learned that she had developed diabetes. So now its insulin twice a day before feedings, she’s still drinking a bit more water then “normal” but not as bad since we started the insulin. Not trying to scare you, I’m sure it can be a number of less serious causes, just wanted to share my recent experience and better safe then sorry

  • Avery C

    I’ve been trying to find a good food to rotate, but my dog has a very sensitive stomach so it’s been difficult to find another food to rotate with. She currently eats Orijen Adult dog food and does very well on it. I tried mixing in some Back to Basics Turkey but even the tiniest bit gives her terrible diarrhea. I know she is allergic to wheat and grain (both upset her stomach) but neither ingredient is in the B2B food so I’m not sure why she can’t tolerate it. Any ideas why this might be? Or any suggestions which food might be good to rotate with that’s similar to Orijen?

  • Avery C

    My dog eats the Orijen Adult food and she does the same thing. I’m interested to know why as well!

  • Becky Margason

    I’ve just recently switched my dog to the Six Fish. She’s doing well with eating her meals each day (pretty picky girl previously) and her p**ps are normal and solid, no issues, but she is drinking a ton of water lately. She’s almost 11, we’re pretty active, get a few walking miles in each day weather permitting. I’m wondering if this might be related to the higher protein content triggering something with her kidneys/liver or if the food flavor might be making her more thirsty. Curious if anyone else has had similar experience? Thanks!

  • Jo Welch

    Thank you, i just ordered the Orijen. So glad to find this product.

  • http://theuglypugglyboutique.com/ sandy

    Orijen is made in Canada by Champion Pet Foods. They make Acana also.

  • Jo Welch

    Ive heard Diet Science is made in china that scares me. My vet told me to give DS to my pomeranian. But now i want to try. Orijen. I heard this food is from US.

  • Jo Welch

    I want to change my 3 year old Pomeranian to this dry food. He has a heart murmur. And taking blood pressure, oxygen pills. Does anyone know if this food might be good for him ??

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Debbi-Merritt/100000173020366 Debbi Merritt

    I bought Orijen regional red (dry dog food) my pick dogs love it! It is a 5 star food and that is what my little dogs deserve! I had a miniature poodle 5 years old that died after eating Purina Beneful! Purina kills dog coast to coast have never changed their formula.

  • Kimi_Forever

    Yeah i did, right before i went to get her. She grew like a weed up until about her 8 month, she was 80lbs at 8 months and has only put on 5 lbs in the last 2 months…And yeah her breeder told me the same thing, not to be too concerned that her sister (the dog the breeder kept of the litter) doesnt always eat her meals either. So i’m not going to be too concerned. I got my bag of Six fish today from chewy.com, they got it here lighting quick. I still have some of the LBP left that im going to finish off before trying the six fish. I am going to try your apple sauce idea though, because she loves apples…I also think i’m going to cut back a little on her feeding amount too, because the six fish formula while similar in calories but not exact has slightly different feeding recommendations. and i think a big factor could be that she’s just not very active and orijen suggests a lot less food for inactive dogs on the six fish bag, they don’t have a inactive category on the LBP bag…I think i’m going to give her just 3 cups a day with a little meat or applesauce instead of four and see how it works…thanks again!

  • Crazy4cats

    Well, it sounds like she is thriving so I wouldn’t be too concerned. She is just not hungry! Those feeding charts are just a starting point. Every dog is different. If I remember correctly, you shared a puppy picture of her a while back? Now, she’s 85 pounds? Yikes, they grow up too fast. Lol! Good luck!

  • Kimi_Forever

    oh yeah and her weight seems fine, she’s 85lbs and doesnt look fat at all and is very healthy. i spoke to her breeder about it, and her sister who is a show dog also skips some meals so it might just be this litter…but my mom always tells me i feed her too much and that i shouldnt worry and let her eat what she wants, i just worry because i know LBP’s and akita’s in particular grow until they are like 4 years old and i want to make sure she’s getting proper nutrtion for her growing body…

  • Kimi_Forever

    well i got the 5 cups a day recommendation from the back of the bag of orijen, i would use dr. mike’s food calculator but it doesnt have an section in it for puppies. one other place i try to gauge the food intake from is ziwipeak.com’s food calculator because it seemed to give similiar results to dr. mike’s for adult dogs so i thought it might be useful since it gave amounts for puppies as well. i just double checked and yes i am slightly high, the LBP bag suggests for a puppy weighing 88lbs (my puppy is 85) with an adult weight of 110lbs (mine will be about 95lbs) they should get 3 3/4 cups a day, but then it also says that puppies between 6-11 months should be fed 1 and 1/4 times the recomended adult amount which is the 3 3/4 cups. i for some reason thought 4 cups was suggested and then i was adding on top of that 1 cup (as the extra 1/4th), so i’m a little high but close…ziwipeaks feeding calculator suggets 2321 calories a day for a 85lb 8-12month old puppy, orijen is 478 calories a cup so that works out to be 4.8556 cups a day, so yes 5 is slightly high but i also tend to give less meat then would equal a full cup so i think i’m pretty close. i know it sounds like a lot to me to and everytime i put it down for her i feel like its a lot…when she is an adult on maintence her feeding will be much less probably about 3 cups a day or so…

    the applesauce, and sardines might be winners…i tried giving her egg before and she wasnt huge on it, was disappointed. i also give her pumpkin from time to time as sometimes she gets diareahha for unknown reasons, and she licks it off the spoon okay but not enough to entice her for kibble….but she loves apples so the applesauce might be an economical winner ill have to try it…I also know about acana, and i think it’s pretty great for the most part however i wish it were 70% meat like the cat version of acana is instead of 60% meat in the dog version, but i understand they made it less rich for a reason…but i may try some of the regional ones, the pacifica looks good and is a good price…

  • Crazy4cats

    Hi Kimi-
    Orijen is pretty high in calories. 5 cups sounds like a lot of food to me for a puppy. Maybe she doesn’t need that much food. How is her weight? Is she healthy? My dogs are not picky, but I do add toppers that your pup may like such as lightly cooked eggs, sardines, sugar free apple sauce and plain canned pumpkin to their kibble. Have you tried adding water or low sodium broth? Hopefully, she will like the fish flavor that you have ordered. Orijen is made by Champion foods who also makes Acana. Which is also a great food. Maybe give that a shot as well. Good luck!

  • Kimi_Forever

    Wow, dang i posted a question here and for some reason, somehow it’s just gone like it never existed.

    Ill try again.

    I have a dog who is a picky eater, i feed her the orijen large breed puppy currently. I was wondering if anyone had any success with feeding different flavors of this food to picky dogs, and if so which flavor seems most palatable to picky dogs. i recently asked the people at chewy.com the same question and they suggested the six fish to me saying that fish is always most palatable and strongest flavored, i was wondering if anyone else had any success with a picky dog using different flavors of this kibble and which flavors they had success with. Or just any other tips to help entice my dog to eat her kibble, i currently add real meat to her kibble almost every day to entice her to eat it, but even that doesnt always work and sometimes she skips meals, which worries me as well. I’ve also tried adding canned food but she doesnt really like canned food either. If anyone has any economical advice to help entice my dog to try this food would be appreciated.

    Also of note, i’ve tried adding ziwipeak air dried to the food, she didnt like the ziwipeak anymore then kibble….It worries me sometimes when she skips her meals, like today, orijen suggests she get about 5 cups of kibble a day with her age and weight, i typically try to feed her 4 cups of orijen and replace the last cup with real meat to entice her. she only ate about two cups of orijen today with meat topper and left the rest sit in her bowl and i have to put it in the refrigerator to keep the meat thats mixed into the kibble fresh from going bad. i feel bad that i can’t really provide her a raw diet at this point which is what i’m sure she’d love to have, that or home cooked meals, but i try to do the best for her i can. any tips to help get her to eat her daily amount of kibble are appreciated..

  • Kimi_Forever

    I use this food a lot for my akita, but sometimes she is a picky eater when it comes to kibble and hard to get her to eat all her meals. She’s only tried the Large breed puppy which she’s had two bags of it since i was able to switch her over from low calcium foods. Most of the time i have to put meat on the kibble to entice her to eat it, i don’t blame the food it’s just my dog is picky about eating kibble, has been since she was a puppy. My question is has anyone else had any success feeding one of the other flavors (the regional red/six fish/even the new tundra if anyone has access to it yet) to a picky dog? I asked chewy.com if any of the formula’s were stronger in flavor then the other ones or more palatable to dogs and they suggested the six fish, i just placed an order for a 28.6lb bag of that to see if i have more success with it. just wondering if anyone else had any success with other flavors with picky dogs or knew which flavor might be most palatable, or just any tips in general to entice my dog to eat the kibble (other then adding real meat which i already do but wish i didnt have to because its so expensive to do for a large breed and other then adding canned food because she does not like canned food which is why i started using real meat)

  • Michaela61

    I changed my dog to Orijen about 4 months ago and his fur has gotten much thicker. He has much more energy, but that can also be, because the weather started getting cooler about a month after I changed.

    I give him 2 handfull in the morning and in the evening (5 handfull are 2 cups) – so, a little less than 2 cups a day. He’s 62lbs German Wirehaired Pointer.

    Every few weeks I make a big soup/stew with broth, green beans, zucchini, butternut squash, carrots, rice and whatever other veggies I pick up. Put that into little freezer packages and into the freezer. I use that to top off the dry food.

    He loves to eat and by adding the veggies, it gives him more to eat. A 28lb bag lasts me about 2 months., so, that’s +$ 40 per month. Very comparable to other dog food, that may have more fillers and which you’ll have to feed more of.

  • DogFoodie

    Yes, Tom! You can certainly feed your adult dog as well as your puppy.

  • Shawna

    Hi Krissy — I agree with the BCnut on high protein and kidney disease. The science supporting protein as a problem was actually done on rats. When they tested dogs they found that protein has no affect on healthy, or already damaged, kidneys.

    They have also discovered that high protein is quite useful for weight loss. There is two really good research papers on this. if interested, I can link to them for you.

    If you are worried about any illness in your pet though, I would caution against free feeding no matter what food you are giving. The omega fats in foods (especially 3’s) are very unstable and go rancid quite easily when exposed to light, air and heat. Consuming rancid fats regularly can have a very detrimental affect to the entire body.

  • Brittany

    Or maybe it’s because PetSmart is an American store and Champion is a Canadian company. Could have something to with it. It’s usually the higher end specialty quality pet food stores. Where as stores like Petsmart sells some high end stuff and other low end food.

  • theBCnut

    High protein does not cause kidney issues, that’s an old wive’s tale, but if a dog already has underlying kidney issues, then you may start to see some symptoms when switching to a high protein food.
    You will probably have to watch and see if your dog regulates the amount she eats. It is a higher calorie food and some dogs just know how many calories they need to eat, but some don’t.
    She may get more thirsty, because excess protein is eliminated through the kidneys. It’s a passive process, but some dogs do increase their water consumption, at least temporarily. Some don’t.

  • Krissy

    I really want to feed this food to my 5 years old Jack Russell Terrier. She has been on TOTW Sierra and High Prairie but lately, I have noticed she sometimes has firm stool and sometimes loose stools so I am thinking maybe she is allergic to something in TOTW now so I am seeking to switch her food to Orijen. But with all the negative reviews, they are stopping me from feeding my dog Orijen. Kidney issues and how dogs can get really hungry if we feed our dogs limited amount of food per day. If we give too much, it will cause runny stools and all that. I typically leave the food out for her and she eats whenever she wants to but with Orijen, will I have to limit her amount of food and be concerned for kidney issues and her being more thirsty? I really want to see my dog all healthy with firm stools all the way since she seems to have allergies.

  • Nuwisha

    Of course there’s no such thing as a perfect food (manna). If there was, humans would be sure to keep it exclusively for themselves, through law or religious rules.

    Ever see people freak out when you share a bite or two of your steak with your pet? They get on like you should be mailing it to Africa instead.
    :P

  • Nuwisha

    I didn’t know that. My local Petland has no cats or dogs, just birds and legal rodents (domestic rats are illegal in Alberta, but “degu” are allowed, even though they look like hairy-tailed rats to me. But they’re darned cute. But I have a cat, so it wouldn’t be fair to bring one here. And one of these days, I will adopt a chinchilla. I once babysat one, and tried to refuse pay for babysitting it, because I just found the thing so darned charming.)

    The PetSmart has cats, but those are unwanted, abandoned ones that they take in on a “no-kill” basis. Otherwise, just fish and some birds and legal rodents.

  • Nuwisha

    Oh, didn’t know that. I have never seen puppies at my local store though. The local Petsmart has cats only because they take in unwanted cats for adoption. on an apparent no-kill basis. And no puppies there, either. Maybe they cracked down on the puppy mills here (which would be a GOOD thing!)

    Otherwise, they have birds and legal rodents (domestic rats are illegal in Alberta, but “degu” are fine, even though they look like hairy-tailed rats to me. But they’re darned cute. But I have cat.)

  • Nuwisha

    Oh, thank you for that. She gets free-feeding – ie, I just keep her bowl full; when it gets empty, I fill up a clean one and wash the one she just finished. Treats are just extra stuff, and she has her own little bowls for that. I have to tell new people/visitors that what looks like dessert bowls, aren’t.

    The life I’ve lived, I know what it’s like to have food restricted, for no good reason – and it sucks. Want a happy pet? Make sure it doesn’t experience food insecurity. Cats seem to be nibblers, anyway. They like to visit their bowl once in a while to nibble a bit here and there. And don’t we all prefer to eat like that? I notice even dogs calm down on the gobbling if they learn that they don’t have to worry about finding food left out for them.

    Anyway, yes, she has thrived since I found this Champion stuff. As it is, I’ve had to train her to the harness, and walk her butt up and down the hall to keep her fit. But she’s scared of the heater vent down the way. :/ And the sound of people coming in the door, even if they’re not headed to our floor. And TVs from neighbouring apartments. And vaccuum cleaners. And so on.

  • Amy

    LabsRawesome (or anyone who wants to weigh in),
    I’ve been lurking, reading and learning on this site for a
    couple of months. We have been feeding our 10 month old Aussie Victor brand food (we initially fed her Canidae grain free). I’ve used the Grain Free Active Dog & Puppy All Life Stages (red bag) as well as the Grain Free Yukon River Salmon & Sweet Potato. I like the smell of the GF Active Dog & Puppy ALS better (in the bag and on her breath) but I think she may scratch and lick her paws a little more on it than when she eats the Yukon River Salmon & Sweet Potato. I don’t know that our sweet girl needs a grain free diet but from what I’ve read, it’s probably better (some or most of her treats have grains).

    Does the inclusion of Yeast Extract or Hydrolyzed Yeast concern you? I am sensitive to MSG (my husband is not so he’s not as concerned as I am) and it would destroy me if I found out that the food I chose for her caused her any issues. You probably already know that Aussies are one of the breeds that are more prone to epilepsy than dogs in general.

    I like so many things about Victor food. If they didn’t include glutamic acid (in some form) I wouldn’t even consider anything else.

    Thank you in advance.

  • Dog_Obsessed

    Good for you for not shopping there! In some places they sell puppy mill dogs, and in other places they offer adoptions.

  • DogFoodie

    I refuse to shop at Petland where I live because they sell puppy mill dogs in their stores. : (

  • Dog_Obsessed

    That’s great! Orijen and Acana are really good foods. You might be interested in this article on rotational feeding, which has ideas of how you can do more of what you’re already doing: http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/frequently-asked-questions/diet-rotation-for-dogs/

  • Nuwisha

    I get mine at Petland, and UFA (United Farmers of Alberta) stores.

    It’s nice to live in Alberta. ;)

  • Nuwisha

    Because that’s how rare quality anything is in China? Not surprised.

  • Nuwisha

    Of course not. If there was, humans would be sure to keep it exclusively for themselves, through law or religious rules.

    Ever see people freak out when you share a bite or two of your steak with your pet? They get on like you should be mailing it to Africa instead. :P

  • Nuwisha

    Awesome. I came here because my husband and I were reminded of gravy train dog food last night; I remarked that I hadn’t seen it in years (but then, I haven’t had a dog in a long time). I see now why I don’t see it around much.

    We have a cat, though, and I feed her Acana and Orijen (I like to switch around the flavours – they are made by the same company, and as luck would have it, they have a plant right where I live (I’ve gotten bags so fresh the food was still a bit soft and sticky). The reason I started doing that was because she seemed to have a food allergy; when I saw NO GRAIN on the bag, I decided to try it. And it worked! She’s 11 now, and doing fine.

    For treats she gets a bit of the same meat we eat (cooked, of course. I don’t eat raw stuff, so I don’t feed raw stuff to anyone. Animals get food poisoning too, you know.)

    And reading down below, yes, one of the BEST things about Champion is – nothing is from BLOODY CHINA.

    Thanks for this site. The review did make feel, well, relieved.

  • Ray Korbyl

    The six fish is the best dog food money can buy,I use orijen and precise holistic complete for my dogs, both family owned business ,both great quality control and local ingredients,if your really want quality then orijen is the dog food for you..The things I look at is if they own there own facility,if they use local ingredients,if they had recalls and if you have questions you can call or email and they will respond in a timely manner, And both of these companys have done that for me and my dogs do great on both of these dog foods.I have tried many and these two Wrk for my dogs,may or may not Wrk for your dogs,but I no there products are definitely top quality..

  • Lori Olin Thorn

    This proved to be too rich for my lab so I have moved on in my rotation to a different food.

  • daniel

    watch out for anal gland problems, i wish i can stick with this food but my dogs butt smells more than usual after 3 bags.

  • markalaw

    I, too, have some concerns, but those concerns are the same whenever and wherever a company such as Champion opens a new kitchen. Before we draw conclusions, however, I suggest we wait to see what actually transpires with their new KY kitchen. The company has a lot at stake, here, risking the entire US market on this new kitchen. Let’s see what they do and, in particular, how they propose to retain their “regionally sourced” position. I suspect they’ll source from the US in much the same manner as they currently source from Canada. Time will tell….

    I’ve been told that they are hosting a series of meetings next summer for their distributors and retailers that supposedly will address the new kitchen, and I will be anxious to find out what they say.

  • Mary C

    Gosh, I wish that worked with my dogs. When they’re “released” to eat they inhale their food then rush to the other dog’s bowl to see if any is left.

    Luckily they don’t regurgitate.

  • Mary C

    Thank you for the information. In light of these revelations, I’ll no longer purchase Orijen when the Kentucky plant opens.

    As it is, I’m not thrilled they started using “wild caught” fish in the Six Fish formula instead of truly wild fish, yet their prices continually increase even though they’re using less expensive ingredients.

    It seems even the companies that claim to be conscientious gradually fall prey to a “profit over ethics” approach.

  • Kinny Salas

    I hope the Canada made ones will be distributed in the Philippines because my Chow does well on orijen Adult.

  • LabsRawesome

    My dogs eat 5 star kibble and canned. And appropriate human foods. They are very healthy and well cared for. Orijen is too high in carbs, and too expensive. But if you want to use it, go for it. BTW check out how my Dachshund’s coat shines.

  • theBCnut

    1. No, I didn’t say that at all. I’m not Labs. And 2. I never said you have only ever read one comment in your entire life. You do seem to have a reading comprehension issue though. I said you judged Labs based on one comment. And 3. You are the only one here talking any kind of *rap and no, I won’t do you any favors. Don’t make comments, if you don’t want comments made. It really is that simple.

  • cats and dogs

    1, You said NO kibble is worth that much money. Meaning None.

    2. And you believe I have only ever read one comment in my entire life ?

    Do me a favour, do not reply, I don’t have time to talk **cking *rap and BS.

  • Melissaandcrew

    I feed Orijen and Acana in rotation of many other wonderful foods including raw. While I like Orijen I am getting fed up with the constant price increases and recipe changes. Quite frankly I can feed homemade raw fir much less.

  • Dog_Obsessed

    I think this was a misunderstanding. I think Labs meant that for the same price you could get a high-quality canned or raw food, not that it is not worth it to spend money on pet food. IMO, Orijen is a good food compared to most kibble.

  • theBCnut

    So you have judged Labs entire life on that one comment, huh? She feeds her dogs great, just not on the number one most expensive kibbled food out there. Not every dog has to have the absolute most expensive kibble there is. You could learn a thing or 2 from Labs.

  • cats and dogs

    Guess your poor animal is not worth too much either chuck ?

  • cats and dogs

    Great post, I really like that,… Thank you.

  • Zac Chernik

    I have a new concern for those that will buy Orijen in 2016. Champion is building a new Kitchen that will be built in Kentucky. Since Champion sources local suppliers for their ingredients, that has raise serious questions. The EPA in Kentucky is basically being underfunded so no state EPA laws will be enforced. This just passed this week:

    “The Kentucky General Assembly with the support of Gov. Steve Beshear
    have repeatedly cut the budgets of agencies within the Energy and
    Environment Cabinet, including those that enforce such laws as the Clean
    Water Act and the Clean Air Act.”

    http://www.courier-journal.com/story/watchdog-earth/2014/11/25/kentucky-environmental-policy-and-starving-the-beast/70089364/

    Sierra Club Executive Director Michael Brune has sent the federal Environmental Protection Agency a letter:

    “The Kentucky Division of Water has proposed increasing the acute
    selenium standard to more than 12 times its current level, and moving
    the chronic standard to a fish tissue standard that will be effectively
    unenforceable. Kentucky’s adoption of a fish tissue criterion for an
    aquatic life water quality standard (as opposed to a human health fish
    consumption standard) would be wholly unprecedented. Kentucky has
    already demonstrated that it lacks the capacity and commitment to
    enforce the current straightforward water column based standards, as
    shown by the state’s failure to impose selenium effluent limits on a
    single coal mine despite abundant evidence of high selenium discharges.
    Fish tissue sampling is much more costly and time-intensive, and
    therefore Kentucky is even less likely to enforce the proposed
    standards. Fish tissue sampling also presumes the presence of fish in
    the receiving streams, but most fish species have already been
    extirpated from the streams below coal mines. Citizen groups who
    currently fill the enforcement gap will similarly be unable to satisfy
    the burdensome fish tissue sampling requirements, leaving the revised
    standards unenforced.”

    Champion has stated that the Kentucky Kitchen will provide their product line to the USA market starting in 2016 and that the Kitchens in Canada will be for Canada, Europe and China Markets only.

    How do others feel the direction that Champion Pet Foods is taking?

  • Dog_Obsessed

    Right on! Totally agree!

  • Zac Chernik

    We do performance dog sports and over the years we switched to Orijen and Acana 8 years ago. One of our dogs developed orange rust 8 years ago in his coat and a muscle twitch. He was on Innova before P&G bought the product line. We switched him to 6-Fish….His coat cleared up and the muscle twitch went away.

    Since that time, we have done our homework to educate our self. You have to removed grains from the diet and anything that is corn based.

    If you are still having problems, switch to a single source protein to find out what your dog is having a reaction to. Also watch out for Eggs and Dairy ingredients too.

    Rotate your food for your dog every few months (i.e. 6-Fish than Regional Red or Adult) since not one food is perfect and it helps to balance their diet.

    Most vets only receive 1-2 weeks of nutritional education for all the years of school to become a vet. This practice is slowly starting to change. Also beware the Hills Product Lines that many vets push for dogs that have allergies. Get your dog on good food and watch your vet visits drop which makes up for the cost of the better dog foods.

  • Karina Salas-Amparo

    The shedding and rashes sound familiar to me. I put my baby on grain free and potato free but she was still itching and shedding. Turned out to be a fish allergy. Bulldogs, sharpei and chow chows are known for having a high probability to being food sensitive to fish and chicken. Try orijen regional red or go! Grain and potato free turkey.

    My chow does ok on orijen adult except for the gas and wet end stool ( I suspect the fish) She is perfect on go! Turkey

  • DogFoodie

    The inclusion of so many legumes in the reformulated product gave one of mine terrible gas and loose stool.

  • disqus_IBQFg2hcLg

    I do really love the brand, but I think for some dogs the protein is just a tad too high or maybe the fiber is too low. My dog has a similar problem, it gives her gas, and occasional diarrhea when we switch bags. Adding pumpkin usually helps. Her coat has been amazing and she has no other problems on it, but I will probably try a new food to see if it will reduce her flatulence.

  • Kevin S

    Melissa how much do you feed your Pit. Male or Female. I have a 60lb F that I just switced over from SD to Orijen. I dropped from one cup morning and night to about 3/4.

  • theBCnut

    If you want reasons, you may have to call or email Champion. Coming here will only get speculation, nothing more.

  • maggie_shaw

    If you are a business man,which country do you think you will prefer:China or America?Champion is not a knock-out products.It will sells more in America.If Champion can’t guarantee a large enough shipment for the big box stores in America,why they are on sale in China?For example,buy 15 pounds to send 1.2kg…………..This is not normal.Especially considering the whole China’s pet food market as a state in the United States.An American popular products are on sell in China…………So I’m looking for reasons for this strange behavior.

  • theBCnut

    They don’t carry every brand and quite a number of brands that they carry, I wouldn’t feed my dogs. Maybe Champion doesn’t want to sell their food to the big pet stores. Or maybe they can’t guarantee a large enough shipment for the big box stores to have enough stock.

  • theBCnut

    Good for you! I can’t stand the thought of buying food from them either. The way you worded your statement about Evo made it sound like you thought it was safe, and it probably is, if you don’t mind buying from them.

  • maggie_shaw

    I confuse as why this two big supermarkets don’t sell it if it is safety.Many people buy Orijen and Anaca.There is no reason why these 2 companies do not want to make money by Champion’s products together…………..Unless………..The product has the security hidden danger………….

  • maggie_shaw

    P&G has the largest animal studies in China.I refuse to use their products and I think if I buy them is equivalent to killing animal by myself.I have some friends who are engage in the pharmaceutical industry.Everybody told me the animal studies would not live more than one year old.I can understand
    animal studies for Medicine,but can not understand for daily activities.And the results of
    animal studies are not safe either.

  • Melissaandcrew

    I dont recall petsmart or petco ever carrying Champion products.

  • theBCnut

    That’s nice, Bob.

  • Bob K

    Every company says they have excellent QC, work hard on it and try to continually improve it..

  • theBCnut

    Champion works very hard at their quality control. What has changed is their ingredient list on a few of their foods. Dogs that can’t handle the ingredient change are having problems. Evo/Innova had a recall right after P&G took them over. It wasn’t terribly serious and they handled it pretty quickly, so I would still be cautiously optimistic about Evo.

  • theBCnut

    I totally agree, except for one thing. Living in FL means that we are sooooo far from Champion that it takes 6 months for their food to make it to stores down here. BooHoo…

  • theBCnut

    Champion is limited in how much food thay can physically make so as locations with priority need more, locations with lower priority will get less, unless Champion changes how they do things.

  • LabsRawesome

    Hi Kara, Victor Ultra Pro 42 formula is a kibble that mimics the ancestral diet of the dog. It has less than 17% total carbs. Is high in protein @ 42% Fat 22% Carb 17% Never recalled. It’s been manufactured since 1950. Great ingredients, great price. I buy it local @ $39.99 for 30lbs. It’s rated 5 stars. Check their store locator for a store near you. http://www.victordogfood.com/

  • markalaw

    Champion Pet Foods, makers of Orijen, has limited production capacity, an issue that many of the top premium brands have, but one I suspect Champion is working through given their company’s position for regional sourcing of their ingredients. In addition to their Canadian production facilities, Champion is now building one in the US (KY), but even with this, I wonder if they will ever agree to supply their product in the quantities big box stores such as Petco and Petsmart demand. Given the recall history of companies that have significantly increased production to supply such stores, I sort of hope Champion stays the current course.

  • maggie_shaw

    If you come to China,you will change your mind.The price an China is 900rmb(almost 142 dollar).

  • maggie_shaw

    the company has changed ?I think EVO is now safety because it is belong to P&G.I feed my dogs and cats the Instinct and wellness core.They don’t like dry wellness core and love all the product of Instinct.But I want to have a change.I cannot get Blue Buffalo Wilderness at China.Because all of my cats and most of my dogs were stray animal before I adopted them,I think their bodies are not good enough.I want to feed them the best pet food. Orijen is very popular in China and I like the Regional Red formula.Some people told me Orijen and Acana’s formula is not safe so petco and petsmart would not sell it any more.So I want to have a answer.

  • maggie_shaw

    I also cannot see it in petsmart or wag…………………..

  • theBCnut

    It’s not because of issues with the product, except that maybe they can’t make enough of it for the demand.

  • Andrea Utsava Erhart

    Orijen is def. not what it used to be several years ago since the company has changed. I have heard consistent stool issues no matter how many times they have changed the formula. I def. would not feed it. I think Earthborn is better than this, you might get it in China.

  • Andrea Utsava Erhart

    Have you tried Horizon Pulsar;awesome company high grade food and fairly priced.

  • Doxie Mom

    Kara, you might want to check out Wild Callings. It is comparable to Orijen. It is meat based and all my dogs love it. Its alot cheaper than Orijen.

  • Kara LeeAnn Cain-Hicks

    This food seems fantastic. I wish I could afford it, but my top budget for dog food is about $45 per bag. I can still get some great stuff at that price, but I have very primitive-type canines (wolfdogs and Nordics) that I would love to feed a kibble that comes close to their ancestral diet. While I mix in raw meat and bones, I still have a low-content woofer that seems to have chronic dry skin.

  • maggie_shaw

    I am from China.I want to know why petco or petsmart didn’t sold Orijen any more since this February this year.I’m worried about product safety issues.

  • Lori Olin Thorn

    Thank you! He’s about 26 lbs, but he should weigh 24 lbs. I thought 2/3 cup would be a good start for him and adjust from there.

  • markalaw

    I have an 18lb Cavalier King Charles Spaniel who is quite the lap dog, getting about 2 – 4 miles walk each good weather day. She gets about 1/3 cup of Orijen kibble in the morning and another 1/3 cup in the evening on average. She has been on Orijen for five years and I rotate among Adult, 6 Fish, and Regional Red. Of late I’ve added in the mix some freeze dried Orijen and Stella and Chewy’s as well. All I will tell you is to be sure you don’t over feed; you simply don’t need as much as most other brands. I adjust dosage based on calories used/needed.

  • Lori Olin Thorn

    I was wondering if Orijen adult food would be too rich for a sedentary dog (cocker spaniel). I see that it is calorie dense, so I imagine just feed less of it? Thank you

  • [email protected]

    My dog had the same issues with the fish formulation. I just switched her to one of the other flavors & she was fine. She does great on Orijen – I wouldn’t change brands for anything.

  • theBCnut

    This is a food reaction and they are a very individual thing, not a breed thing. Keep ingredient lists on all the foods you try and keep notes on how he does on them. You should be able to compare ingredient lists and eventually figure out what ingredient(s) you dog is reacting to.

  • iPad walker

    I have a 4 month old French Bulldog and we just recently started to give him Orijen Puppy dry food.
    He is 6.4 kgs (14 lbs) He started to get a rash on his belly and his ears. We switched to a different dry food and it helped. I am sure Orijen food is really great for some dogs, but it may not be the right choice for French Bulls.
    I am going to wait until he gets a little older and try Orijen again.

  • Ecowitch

    Pea are legumes not vegetables and a cause of aggressive immune response in some dogs – including mine

  • fbcx

    We started with Merrick, then Call of he Wild and settled on Orijen or our Standard Poodle,after recalls from the two previous brands’ suppliers’ factories. We just decided we didn’t want to take any chances. Our breeder uses and recommends Evangers, which is certainly a quality food, but we haven’t found anything on this continent that beats Orijen for quality, and our dog enjoys the three main flavors, Regional Red (various red meats), 6 Fish (salmon & whiting) and Adult Dog (chicken& turkey). I am not compensated for my referral and I have done extensive reading and comparisons. Buy what you want, but you won’t find a better dry dog food. It is expensive, and for good reason. I guess it all depends on what value you place on the health and well-being of your loyal dog companion.

  • Bill Mouro

    simplicity is what is needed. I am not a chemist therefore ingredient’s should or need to be easier to understand, then an educated choice would be good for the manufacturer and the consumer

  • Tracy

    I’m on my 4th Akita – last 30 yrs…….this Akita has been on Origins Regional over three years now. Most gorgeous girl ever AND healthy. Not even on a flea prevention that is how healthy she is. Healthy animals do not attract external parasites. So worth the price – 28lb bag lasts almost 2 months – better food you provide they get satisfied quicker. Supplement it with 1/2 can of Blue Buffalo Wilderness or Castor & Pollux brands, scoop of plain Chobani yogurt and 1/2 TBS Wellactin (omega oil for dogs). She is a gorgeous “handful”!

  • Laura Palmer Christmas

    I changed my dogs about 3 months ago from Eukenuba to Orijen. I live in South Africa, so with import duties, it costs me quite a lot for 4 dogs, about $300 a month, but I have never seen such a change in their condition. They’re looking awesome and my 12 year old Jack Russell, who has lived on cortisone her entire life for skin sensitivity is off it and has been for 2 months. Very happy and I do supplement their food with fresh meat in addition and a dollop of plain yoghurt every day which sorted out any loose tummies

  • 4FootedFoodie

    People shouldn’t have to read between the lines in order to realize that she’s here attempting to profit off of them. That’s deceptive.

    Funny thing is, you probably don’t even know what food she’s pitching because you didn’t read all of her posts.

  • Linda Bissonnette

    I used to give my dog Innova and ever since the recall about 1 year ago I stop I had to switch her over to something else. I tried Origen and I can tell you with a dog with sensible guts as mine this is the best as far as I’m concerned. I wouldn’t go back to Innova never. She had the odd diarrhea vomiting with Innova, now with Origen nothing absolutely nothing everything has stopped. The diarrhea vomiting completely. I’m intolerant to gluten and when I mentioned to my vet that I’ve changed Maya’s food she said “there’s your gluten intolerance right there”

  • Wade Meyer

    Words mean things and so what else does “arrange a promotion” mean? Compensation. She did tell us up front. What is wrong with compensation? It doesn’t change the flawless ingredients of this food. Some people have to work for a living.

  • Melissa LeBender

    To those that complain about the price — first, this food is WORTH EVERY PENNY. Moreover, it’s not as expensive as you think. A $70 bag (the largest available) feeds my 60lb pitbull for 6 weeks. That’s $12 a week. You don’t have to feed your pet as much of the good stuff. The cheap food is all uneccesary carbs and calories. My dog was the one who led me to this realization. He eats his food right up, but won’t finish the bowl if I overfeed him. He eats about half as much Orijen in comparison to the Science Diet I used to feed him, before I learned what crap that was. Give it a try and you will see too!

  • Julie

    I feed my German Shepherd Orijen (she lives it). The only problem I have noticed, is when we switch bags (same brand/type), it upsets her belly. Has anyone had a similar problem?

  • qutiebree

    We switched a few days ago, he seems to enjoy it pretty well and the hot spots have def gone down. Hope this will be the remedy to his allergies.

  • BridgeN

    hi! I have an almost 2 yr old jack russell that has extremely sensitive skin, and after switching to orijen regional red, I have noticed the itching and hot spots have greatly decreased! Definitely worth trying out!

  • http://batman-news.com O.R.

    My dog has the same issue. She is breaking out into hives. Now I find myself here. Looks like this is a really good brand. I will try it.

  • http://kathardisty.ca Katarina Leah Carlos

    We are using Orijen freeze dried dog food. Today, I have found a needle sharp bone in my doggies patty. The only reason I found it it I was breaking up a bigger piece that did not hydrate with my hand thank s for that! He could have choked if i did not find it. I was just going to work, this is outrages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Linda Johnson

    I have given my dog Orijen her whole life. She is a strong, beautiful Lab with no allergies. She is never sick or weak in any way. I love the freshness of the food. It is madeally a money-saver only from the
    freshest ingredients that are locally caught or provided daily. We have had other labs and given them lesser foods. The had allergies and were had hip problems or something else. With this food, my dog has never had these problems. The cost is high, but the vet bills are low. We think this is actually a money-saver in the long run.

  • qutiebree

    I have a 2yr old french bulldog who just recently in the last few months broke out in a rash and sheds alot more. We have taken him to the vet many times, but we still dont know whats causing him to have these break outs., they said it may be his food. Ive read many reviews about this food and I am thinking of switching his diet. Does anyone here had this problem with their dog and seen any improvement after switching? We give him wellness simple salmon dry and a little of wet mix together twice a day. He is about 37 pounds. Any advice or suggestions are reallly appreciate, we are desperate to help him. Two vets have told us so far to feed him gluten/ grain free. Also to stick with fish instead of meat.

  • Dog Lover Plus

    Some dogs just don’t recognize the finer points of the argument. Obviously you should feed your dog what it will eat whilst trying to sneak in the best of that group.

  • Qi Koh

    yea, that won’t help if my dog won’t eat any of it

  • Mickey’s Dad

    How bad is it for a dog to eat fast? Don’t most dogs eat fast?

  • Lara

    My vet does too. My dog has anal gland issues due to a fatty lump near the gland. He wines a bit but doesn’t bite. Luckily, it is only $25 dollars, so nothing that will break the bank.

  • Lara

    My dog eats Orijen and still does the butt dragging. Turns out he has a fatty lump near his anal gland that prevents it to drain properly. But you are right, 99% of the time it is a food issue.

  • Lara

    We used to feed EVO until Procter and Gamble bought it. P&G make IAMS and we just were not comfortable with a brand that sells IAMS (and the known animal abuse from that). We feed our Shih Tzu mixes Orijen Six Fish. They love it.

  • Lara

    I noticed gas for 3-4 months afterwards. My dogs just needed some time to get used to the food.

  • Lara

    I spend $20 a month for two small dogs. I am quite happy with the price actually. Expensive, but worth it. I wouldn’t buy a dog I couldn’t afford to feed good food.

  • Dog Lover Plus

    Yeah, some canned stuff can get pretty crazy too. I try to balance the two to be as close to 50% as possible. Thanks again!

  • LabsRawesome

    Victor Ultra Pro 42 has 42% protein and 22% fat. I like foods that have a fat ratio @ half of what the protein % is. Dogs are meant to thrive on protein and fat. I have seen some Raw foods that are out of whack, having higher fat than protein, which is not good. Glad your Mom can benefit from my recommendation of Nature’s Domain canned. :)

  • Dog Lover Plus

    I don’t really like how this site figures carbs out either. If you take into account that dietary fiber is undigestible carbs Victor has 16.3% carbs and Orijen has 21% carbs. Unfortunately what tends to happen when carbs are taken out is that fat is supplemented at a higher rate than are proteins, relative to what I consider a healthy ratio. Canned tends to have a higher ratio too, which is another reason I prefer a fish based canned, as it tends to have a better protein to fat ratio. (I.E. more protein, less fat)

    Thanks for the advice on the canned you use, my mother has budget constraints and has been using a slightly more expensive 4 star canned. My brother lives by a Costco and when she visits him she can stock up.

  • LabsRawesome

    Yes, Victor does contain sweet potatoes. I do not have a problem with that. Kibble needs a binder. I do add Sardines and Fish oil to boost the omega 3’s. Victor UP also only has 17% carbs. Orijen has 30% carbs. 17% carbs is way closer to the dogs ancestral diet. Victor foods are manufactured at Mid America’s manufacturing plant. Nature’s Domain cans are 13.2 ounces.

  • Dog Lover Plus

    There are many 5 star kibbles that don’t meet my personal standards for a high quality dog food and that’s what I’m paying for.

    The Omega ratio in Victor Ultra Pro (6 to 1) doesn’t meet my minimum standards of 5 to 1. On top of that Orijen also has 2.75 times more Omega 3’s in it’s regular adult formula than Victor Ultra Pro. Orijens Omega ratio is 2.72 to 1.

    Victor also contains potatoes, which If I can, I will do without. Orijen has a Meat to botanical ratio of 80/20, and I cannot tell what Victors has. I cannot tell how or where Victor sources their ingredients. Do you know were they come from? Orijen doesn’t sub contract, does Victor? Orijen uses cage free poultry, which costs more, does Victor?

    As far as canned dog foods go I simply prefer a fish based or at least the inclusion of fish ingredients. Even fish oil would be nice, although I do see Nature’s domain includes flax-seed oil for Omega 3’s.

    You are using very high quality dog foods for your dogs, I simply have a few extra boxes I’d like to check off. In that regard, my love for my dog does have a lot to do with how much I’m willing to pay to check those boxes. If you can offer an alternative that meets all those preferences for less then I’d appreciate the help.

  • LabsRawesome

    Loving your dogs has nothing to do with the price you pay for their food. I use Victor Ultra Professional Formula. I buy it local at just under $40 for 30lbs. It’s a 5 star kibble. It’s GMO and grain free with only 17% total carbs. http://www.midamericapetfood.com/victordogfood/pdf/Brochure-GF-Ultra%20Pro.pdf I mix in Nature’s Domain Canned, it’s also rated 5 stars. Costco sells it for $20 a case of 24 cans. My dogs also get fresh foods like Sardines and eggs.

  • Dog Lover Plus

    Well, you can get it for $74 on Chewy, but I will concur that even at that it is a significant amount more than other dog foods, particularity if you buy a 3 or 4 star dog food or have multiple dogs.

    For my part though, I’ll say this: I’m not well off by any means, but I’m a minimalist, so I can budget for what matters most to me. My dog matters a lot to me and if I can give him a healthier lifestyle and increase his longevity, I’d pay twice that. But, I don’t have to it seems. This in the morning and Wellness CORE Grain-Free Salmon, Whitefish & Herring Formula Canned in the evening and I think my dog eats better than I do. I certainly spend more on his food than my own, but I’m an omnivore, so that goes with the territory.

  • Dog Lover Plus

    Yeah, this site is pretty good; it has helped me pick out a great dog food, I only wish it did a little more thorough reviews that include stuff like omega ratio’s and source transparency as well as grain AND potato free foods. Maybe you get that information with the membership though? I’m planning on signing up soon and will see. Personally, I’d donate money to the site above and beyond that if it made that sort of information available to others for free.

  • LabsRawesome

    What’s not to like? The $100 dollar price tag. No Kibble is worth that much money.

  • Cyndi

    Well that’s good then. If you are happy with a food and it works well for your dogs, then I don’t blame you at all for recommending it to others.

  • Dog Lover Plus

    I don’t work for Orijen. I’m simply pointing out the benefits of this particular kibble so someone might quickly gauge whether it’s worth their time. I bought Pinnacle Peak Protein without realizing the benifits of the correct omega 6 to 3 ratio and was considering buying Wellness Core Ocean without realizing the lack of source transparency or actual ratio between meat and botanicals. I didn’t even know you could get a potato free kibble, which is a big plus in my book.

  • Cyndi

    If you work for Orijen or have a vested interest, you’re supposed to disclose that information…

  • Cyndi

    I take it you work for Orijen?

  • Dog Lover Plus

    What’s not to like? Orijen is a *Grain Free, *Potato Free, *GMO Free, low glycemic dog food that is *Regionally Sourced and produced in Canada, NEVER subcontracted, whose ingredients are *Approved for Human Consumption before being delivered fresh daily to its doors, *Preservative Free. All of it’s foods have an appropriate *Omega 6 to 3 Ratio, which is very important for the overall health and longevity of your pet. It’s poultry is *Cage Free and its eggs are *Nest Laid. It incorporates a *Whole Prey Diet which included all the parts of prey animals in ratios which mimic a wild diet (Meats/Organs/Cartilage/Marrow) and provide more balanced nutrition. Orijen also includes what they call *Botanical Infusions, which are designed to mimic the natural tendency to forage on grasses and other botanical sources.

  • Dog Lover Plus

    Both seem to be VERY high quality dog foods. And they both seem to focus on providing proper ratio’s of Omega 6’s to Omega 3’s, unlike a lot of other otherwise high quality dog foods… There are two main differences, as far as I can tell, as they are both regionally sourced in Canada and never sub contracted. The first is that Orijen uses a low glycemic potato free formula, which is very important for senior dogs as well as dogs with diabetic problems (likely caused by being fed grains and potatoes). Orijen uses a a 80/20 meat to Fruit/Vegetable/Botanical ratio whilst Acana uses a 60/40 ratio in it’s regional line and 65/35 at most in any of its kibble. That extra vegetable matter is likely where the potato comes into play, it’s a cheap filler. Second, Orijen also uses a whole prey diet blend which incorporates parts of the animals which would normally be consumed in the wild: Meats, organs, cartilage and marrow, mimicking the appropriate ratios. Orijen also uses cage free poultry and nest laid eggs for added peace of mind.

  • Dog Lover Plus

    It may just be his body adjusting to the new dog food. Please remember that our bodies and theirs have a complex micro-flora which needs to balance itself out when introduced to new foods. This process could take a month or more to sort itself out.

  • Dog Lover Plus

    You are not mistaken, Orijen not only regionally sources it’s ingredients and provides you with the local region of each of these regionally sourced ingredients (all in Canada), it also doesn’t use preservatives and describes it’s ingredients as being approved fit for human consumption before being delivered fresh to them daily. This is a brand that is guaranteed NEVER outsourced and has an appropriate ratio of Omega 3’s to Omega 6’s, which it seems many 4 and 5 star dogs foods do not.

  • Dori

    If I eat anything with MSG it always triggers a migraine. When eating Chinese I always have to tell them to leave it out and I always know if they honored my request because I’ll get a migraine if they didn’t.

    I’m not saying this happens to all people and dogs I do know it happens to me.

  • Shawna

    Yes, “intense exposure” is one way to induce damage from MSG. Hypoglycemia, head injury/neck injury, undeveloped blood brain barrier are additional conditions that increase ones susceptibility.

    Amino acids when eaten in food are handled by the body differently then when freed. They are part of the protein structure and are broken down and utilized differently. Example, when accompanied by the amino acids cystein and glycine, glutamine is used by the body to make the master antioxidant called glutathione. When cysteine and glycine are not present glutathione is not made and the glutamine is able to attach to glutamate receptors. Once those receptors are full, from my understanding, this is when the damage can happen.

    Some may get small doses while others could get relatively large doses. Babies eating “hydrolyzed” soy milk, as just one example, are going to get larger amounts of “free” glutamic and aspartic acid. Or those people that eat mainly inexpensive processed foods are likely at an increased risk for added exposure. Since excitotoxins are believed to bio-accumulate, it is those that have repeated exposures that will also be at increased risks. PS — MSG is not the only source of free glutamic acid. Industry has become very good at disguising it — nutritional, brewers and one that starts with a “t” that I’m blanking on are sources. I’ve also seen it disguised as “sodium caseinate”, soy protein isolate, whey protein isolate as well as many others.

    It is that “frikkin’ delicious” flavor (umami) that will make it hard to get industry to change. They can make otherwise poor quality and bland food taste good. But that comes with a consequence whether you chose to believe it or not.

  • rumtopf

    “”Excitotoxicity refers to the ability of glutamate or related excitatory amino acids to mediate the death of central neurons under certain conditions, for example, after intense exposure. ”

    Intense exposure, meaning nothing like normal dietary levels. Be afraid!

    I think this is the hang up, here. While interesting, you can’t point to a study where rats are given a 10% diet of MSG for 3 months(or directly injected with large doses at birth) and claim it will do the same to humans, despite the comparatively tiny amount of MSG we ingest every day. It’s like drinking 10 gallons of vinegar vs sprinkling some over your french fries.

    Not sure how the extraction process could make things different either, your body processes glutamate as glutamate no matter where it came from, the salt is processed as salt. The ionic bonds between the glutamate and sodium are likely already broken if stirred into wet food and will break in a dry food upon contact with saliva into the two compounds. So how can some people claim to react to “added” MSG but not the naturally occurring glutamate, if not from a self induced nocebo effect? It’s kinda… Not possible. I also wonder how many people actually have a different dietary issue but mistakenly blame it on the MSG, thus solving nothing :/

    Not even gonna comment on the book guy. MSG and aspartame aside, he’s into all that conspiracy theory fluoridated water, contrails, anti-vaccine kinda stuff. Just, no.

    It just looks like a whole load of truth stretching and hysterics to me, so I’ll continue reading about it and pointing out the more ludicrous claims(Like, normal dietary levels of MSG cause brain damage? No.). That and I’m biased because MSG is pretty frikkin’ delicious.

  • rumtopf

    Not exactly a reputable source seeing as it’s all about how evil MSG supposedly is. But I looked anyway

    The first link mentions a study where rats were given 10GRAMS of MSG a day out of 100g total food. Wow, so in order to have health issues from MSG, just make it 10% of your diet for 3 months? xD Looking over other examples of animal studies from the site, they involve crazy doses that don’t even compare to normal dietary levels, talk about misdirection. Why the heck are they trying to compare a diet of 10% MSG to the usual 10-20g we eat every day(or the glutamate we naturally produce in our own bodies)? They even claim that just “contact with” MSG is enough to hurt someone? Oh come on, that’s ridiculous. Sorry but I really do not trust that site(or any site that just lists a bunch of references to papers that don’t actually support their scary claims when you look them up).

    Something funny as an aside: Table salt is more dangerous. If you ate 10% of the weight of your daily food intake in table salt you be very very dead very very quickly. Yet you can survive for months with MSG? I suppose the saying goes: The poison is in the dose. Drink too much water in one day and it’ll kill you.

    I think the real issue is that people get it into their heads that MSG is bad(thanks to the fear mongering? go figure) and experience a kind of “nocebo” effect when they think they’ve eaten it(which they do, every damn day with their protein-rich foods, in far greater amounts than from some MSG powder sprinkled on a dish like table salt). It’s like a self fulfilling prophecy and most research shows that the huge majority of people who claim to get sick from MSG don’t show symptoms under lab conditions when they don’t know they’re eating MSG rich food.

    I accept that there are probably the rare people who are sensitive/allergic to it, heck there are people who are allergic to water or sunlight out there, but it’s not the huge conspiracy these nuts claim it is and I get just a little bit mad at fear-mongering in general, especially when it’s all “omg the chemicals!!11 be very afraid!”.

  • Shawna

    There’s actually TONS of information out there if you know what to look for. I started at “Google scholar” and searched the term “monosodium glutamate excitotoxin”. This is taken from the journal “Developmental Neurobiology”
    “Excitotoxicity refers to the ability of glutamate or related excitatory amino acids to mediate the death of central neurons under certain conditions, for example, after intense exposure. Such excitotoxic neuronal death may contribute to the pathogenesis of brain or spinal cord injury associated with several human disease states. Excitotoxicity has substantial cellular specificity and, in most cases,
    is mediated by glutamate receptors.” http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/neu.480230915/abstract;jsessionid=0CA744B1F82F5321FD13390D43114EC1.f01t03?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=&userIsAuthenticated=false

    This is from “Pharmacology and Toxicology”
    “A wealth of new information pertaining to excitatory amino acids (EAA) has been generated over the past two decades. The prototypic EAA, glutamate (Glu) and aspartate (Asp), which are abundantly present in the mammalian central nervous system, have become recognized as Jekyll and Hyde molecules that serve vitally important metabolic and neurotransmitter functions while simultaneously harboring treacherous neutrotoxic potential.” http://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.pa.30.040190.000403?journalCode=pharmtox

    The problem is with the processing of foods to “free” these amino acids that makes them dangerous. So meats and foods high in aspartate and glutamate are not going to cause the same damage that “isolated” free glutamic and aspartic acids cause.

    A really good, but somewhat difficult to follow, book on the topic is “Excitotoxins: The Taste That Kills” by Neurosurgeon Dr. Russell Blaylock. There were parts of the book that I had to reread several times before I could absorb the information — very technical. I couldn’t find it locally either. I had to order it in.

    “Food” can be very dangerous to certain individuals sensitive to that food. Examples — betacasomorphin 7 (BCM-7) in most dairy is being studied as a possible trigger for diseases such as type 1 diabetes, heart disease, autism and schizophrenia. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17666771 The gluten in wheat (called gliadin), in sensitive people, can cause a condition called “gluten ataxia” which can manifest in symptoms such as temporary blindness, white matter brain lesions, stroke like symptoms and more. http://brain.oxfordjournals.org/content/126/3/685.full

  • USA Dog Treats

    I always try to err on the side of caution in order to protect myself and my loved ones (this includes my dogs) and there is definitely a population of people and animals that are severely affected by MSG.

    Below are some links I copied for you. The links include references.

    http://www.truthinlabeling.org/III.What%20is%20MSG.html

    On the Subject of Manufactured vs Natural Glutamic Acid,

    http://www.truthinlabeling.org/manufac.html

    Evidence of MSG-induced Brain Damage and Endocrine Disorders: The Animal Studies,

    http://www.truthinlabeling.org/Proof_BrainLesions_CNS.html

    Evidence of MSG-induced Human Adverse Reactions: The Human Studies,

    http://www.truthinlabeling.org/Proof_AdverseReactions_AR.html

    The Young are Particularly at Risk for Brain Damage from Ingestion of MSG: Data

    http://www.truthinlabeling.org/Proof_TheYoung_TY.html

  • rumtopf

    Links for the monosodium glutamate claims, please? Because I think you’ve just fallen for the fear-mongering, it’s not a dangerous substance at all. MSG is the sodium salt of an amino acid called glutamate. The part people always overlook with this non-issue is that glutamate is a naturally occurring substance and is present in all of our diets, and most likely all dog kibbles – though not on the labels as it’s not being added as an ingredient by itself – it’s just naturally present in the ingredients.(eggs, fish, chicken, potatoes, beef, peas, all naturally containing glutamate, to give some examples from the Orijen ingredients lists)

    I just hate misinformation surrounding food, especially when it’s so irrational yet pervasive in society – yet there’s a mountain of science(a lot of it in response to the crazy claims) to show that there’s nothing to be worried about.

  • rumtopf

    Have you tried scatter feeding? We had to teach our boy to slow down with eating for the same reason, he was throwing up, no doubt thanks to being starved by previous owners(grr!). It was the scatter feeding(gradually scattering less and putting more food in the bowl) and a very regular feeding routine that helped him. He actually crunches his kibbles from the bowl now :)

  • kimstar

    How much caliber ?

  • theBCnut

    You could try adding digestive enzymes to help with the gas.

  • AJ

    Well his poop seems normal to me. It’s nice and firm. And he smells just like the bag of orijen. Like fish food.

  • theBCnut

    It sounds like Orijen might not agree with him. If it is a bit of a rotten fish smell, then it may be anal glands are not expressing themselves when he poops. For some dogs, stool size matters.
    The gas could be because of all the peas and lentils in the food.

  • AJ

    I started my dog on orijen about a week ago. I noticed he has been getting really bad gas and his body smells like fish. Is that normal?

  • Qi Koh

    My dogs seem to prefer Acana to Orijen. But Orijen is not bad as well.

  • Betsy Greer

    That’s awesome! I wonder if he’s benefiting from the additional fiber from the chickpeas and lentils.

  • Cyndi

    So glad to hear you’re having success! We love success stories on here! So no more butt, scoot and boogie, lol!

    Lots of helpful information on this site, I’ve been so glad I found it too! :)

  • Mickey’s Dad

    I have very good news. Mickey is doing just awesome on the food. We feed him 3/4 cup twice a day and he looks great. His coat looks perfect. Neighbors even ask how his fur has become so soft and shiny.
    He has for the most part stopped scooting his butt.
    The food is working great.
    We will definitely be trying the rest of the food line.

    Since Mickey is eating less the 28lbs bag will last about 7 weeks. That work out to $10 a week.
    I’m so glad I found this web site.

  • Vance Tullier

    There may be no perfect foods (especially dry which I’ll wholeheartedly agree) but the implication that items in the Orijen are from China in spite of the fact that they publically/openly declare that no ingredients whatsoever are sourced from China made me disregard her post immediately. It’s been a while but if memory serves they also declare where each ingredient is sourced from but I could be mistaken on that point.

  • Lili Lithiumm

    Thank u very much i surely will rotate, and she’s actually doing well on it so far beside the home cooked chiken

  • kimdy

    This is, by far, the best food I have ever fed to any of my animals. We have two German Shepherds, male and female, and feed them both a mixture of Regional Red and 6 Fish daily. The female, who weighs around 90lbs, and is VERY active, gets 2 cups a day. The male, who is 7, and is far less active, weighing 84lbs, get a cup and a half. Period. Folks who buy this food for their kids need to realize the maximum amount of calories, vitamins, minerals, and nutrition involved in this mostly meat diet, and feed far less that they did another food, which is likely grain full, etc. Also? NEITHER dog is uber thin, at all. In fact, neither gets treats, yet we battle the male’s weight all the time. The female is far more active, and maintains her weight herself no problems…

    So, while the food IS expensive at first, once you realize the minimum you need feed, it suddenly doesn’t look anywhere near as expensive.

    They have both been on it exclusively for 4+ years, and other than the MASSIVE amounts of err, gas, when we first started, it was an unexceptional and painless transition. We just mouth breathed and clenched our teeth and suffered through the first gassy couple weeks. :D NO problems since though…

    Would not trade this dog food for the world…

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Hi Lili –

    As you’ll see on EVO’s rating – it’s a great food. If your dog is doing well on it, I don’t see any reason not to feed it. There are also several other wonderful foods,, including this food (Orijen). Rotating between foods is great – feeding a variety of foods will help not only to mitigate the issues that any one food may have but also will help to strengthen your dog’s gut. I’d recommend picking a few highly rated foods and switching between them periodically.

  • Lili Lithiumm

    Guys can u help me ! i dont really know what kind of dry food i have to feed my dog but am giving her now evo chiken&turkey grain free formula so i need to know is it good or bad??? and wich dry food is better for her am tired of looking and it seem they all have issues

  • bonbon

    People should know something is wrong with your dog’s anal glands when they drag their butts. Why do they let the dog keep doing it? My dog has never dragged her butt. Her anal glands drain after her bowel movement. She only eats the best grain-free food.

  • bonbon

    My dog loves NOW

  • theBCnut

    It gets updated every 18 months.

  • Betsy Greer

    Orijen is due for an update, but the current review does reflect the product’s current recipe.

  • Tamara A Howard

    I would ask your vet how to express your dog’s anal glands if you choose to try. Just because it’s on the internet doesn’t make it true. Best of luck Scoot & Bogie!

  • Tamara A Howard

    When will Orijen’s food line be re-evaluated? As dog food manufactures have at least six months to update the public about any formula changes it would seem to me that a five star rating would be more current than 02/17/2013. Just a thought.

  • Crazy4cats

    I have been using grain free Victor for my two golden labs with good results. The price depends on whether you can get it locally or have to order it online. But, either way, I think it is still significantly cheaper than Orijen.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    I’d suggest checking out Victor and Dr. Tim’s.

  • tdog

    I feed Orijen but would also like to rotate with some slightly cheaper kibbles. Any suggestions for widely available Orijen-caliber kibbles? I’ve tried Acana, Merrick, Go Fit and Free, Earthborn Primitive Natural, Wellness Core, and TOTW. She does great on everything.

  • Liz Stuart

    Orijen works wonderful for my dogs but they have had to have their anals done. I would know I’m a groomer lol. If this doesn’t work you’ll have to try going raw. But definitely try the recommendation above, adding fiber. Also try canned pumpkin

  • Debra

    Have you looked into the Kyjen Slo-Bowl? These have slowed our puppies mealtime from about 1 minute to about 5 minutes! http://dogblog.kyjen.com/slo-bowl-slow-feed-dog-bowls887/

  • Mickey’s Dad

    My vet is hard core. She goes in and expresses them. None of this on the outside stuff.

    I will try when I think it is safe. He has not bitten anyone but attempts to. I think by the time I realize they need expressed he is in pain. Maybe I could learn routine maintenance! :)

  • SandyandMila

    In case you change your mind and want to save yourself a vet bill. lol http://m.wikihow.com/Express-a-Dog's-Anal-Gland

  • Crazy4cats

    Ok, my fingers are crossed for you and your pup. May his anal glands express themselves freely!!! LOL!

  • Mickey’s Dad

    It will be a one full week transition. We have an awesome Vet. She has thought us a lot about nutrition.
    Our dog gets crazy when they express his glands. Twice we had to give him a sedative.
    I bought the small bag just in case things do not work out. Very expensive food. It better live up to the hype.

  • Crazy4cats

    What? You don’t want to express your dog’s anal glands? Lol! Have you tried to add a little fiber to his diet. Sometimes when adding canned food, adding a little fiber helps. Such as psyllium or chia seed. Does he have loose stools? Going from Kirkland lamb to Orijen sounds like a big jump in protein and fat. Take the transition slow! Good luck!

  • Mickey’s Dad

    I’m very hopeful that Orijen Adult Grain-Free will be Mickey’s answer for food.
    I am currently feeding him Kirkland lamb & rice with Kirkland beef cuts. He seems to do well on it with fish oil pills too. I have also been making him food from JFFD.
    He has problems with his anal glands. They do not express unless the Vet does it. NO I will not be learning how to do it.
    A food that is grain free was recommended. I hope I will be saying good bye to the butt, scoot & bogie.

  • K8a

    It does – she only gets 2-3 kibble per turn of the ball, so it slows her down greatly.

  • Betsy Greer

    I bet the treat ball works well.

    Does it slow her down enough that you’re able to continue to feed Orijen?

  • K8a

    She actually eats out of a treat ball, which works well too. Thanks for the suggestions – I might try that muffin tin one down the road.

  • markalaw

    What I found to work well with my Cavy is simply to have her sit in front of the food until she’s calm. Then I release her to eat after she looks at me for direction. Seems that the very act of allowing her to be calm first causes her to slow her eating pace and to chew her kibble.

  • Betsy Greer

    Have you ever tried a slow feeder bowl? You can also use a large, clean rock or stainless steel ball in her bowl that she has to eat around which will slow her down. Or, try putting her food on a cookie sheet or in muffin tins.

  • K8a

    If I let her eat directly out of a bowl, she inhales it all and then throws it up because she doesn’t chew. I’m sure it depends on your dog but I also have a friend with an 80lb Lab that switched off of Orijin because of the same issue.
    To each his own – just giving my opinion on my experiences.

  • Betsy Greer

    My experience with Orijen was that it was some of the largest kibble I ever fed. I definitely prefer smaller kibble and feel that it’s often more easily digested due to its size. Although both of mine do, lots of dogs don’t chew.

  • K8a

    I have a cockapoo rescue with SEVERE allergies. We have tried 6 different foods in 6 months and keep coming back to the Six Fish. She does the best on this food by far and she absolutely goes crazy for it. I love the whole prey model and the fact she’s getting 80% protein with this food. She still exhibits some issues with scratching but it’s uncertain at this time if it’s her environmental allergies or food. (We’re only on week 10 for her allergy shots)
    My only complaint is the size of the kibble – it’s very small even for my little girl. She gulps most of it without even chewing. I hope they come out with two sizes at some point.
    I would recommend this food 10 times over for pups with allergies.

  • Angela Macdonald

    Thank you. Good information. I think I will speak to a vet that also considers holistic health and find out about allergy testing. I am just shocked at how many people’s dogs have or experience allergies!

  • Angela Macdonald

    Thank you. Great suggestion.

  • aimee

    A positive test result means your dog may or may not be reactive to that ingredient.

    A negative test result also means your dog may or may not be reactive to that ingredient.

    “In one study of dogs known to be soy and corn allergic,… measured soy and corn specific antibody levels were not significantly elevated……blood testing for food allergy showed positive reactions in only 2 of the control (normal) dogs and none of the food allergic dogs”
    http://dermvettacoma.com/pitfalls_otc_blood_allergy.pdf

    A lab that runs food tests doesn’t even recommend them..

    http://www.heska.com/Products/ALLERCEPT/Allercept-Testing.aspx

    Click the allergens tab

    “Heska, in agreement with the American College of Veterinary
    Dermatology, does not recommend IgE testing for foods. A compliant
    exclusionary diet trial, followed by provocative re-challenge, is
    recommended for animals suspected of suffering from adverse reaction to
    foods.”

    Since neither a negative test or a positive rules in or out an adverse reaction to that ingredient there is no point in running the test.

    Everyone is better off in putting that money into doing a proper elimination trial.

  • sue66b

    Try a low carb diet, my boy has itchy skin, he has seasonal allergies worst in spring & summer, I started an elimanation diet & found when I gave him sweet potatos or potatos he got his itchy ears & skin, so Ive stopped foods high in carbs like potato & sweet potato..

  • Sasha

    Well according to all my research they aren’t completely unreliable.
    If the test comes back and it says your dog is allergic to wheat – your dog could be allergic to wheat. However if the test comes back saying your dog isn’t allergic to wheat then your dog isn’t allergic.
    So it can give you and idea of things your pet may be allergic to and let you do food elimination based on that.

  • aimee

    Food allergy testing is unreliable. A properly executed food elimination trial is the only way to diagnose adverse food reactions.

  • Sasha

    Get your puppy allergy tested! Some vets offer it (or there are less reliable ways online.) Dog can have allergens as often as humans – my dog is even allergic to cats and grass – so keep that in mind. The test is slightly expensive (we paid like 300) but cheaper and better for long term then switching the diet around a bunch of times.