Orijen Dog Food (Dry)

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Rating: ★★★★★

Orijen Dog Food receives the Advisor’s top rating of 5 stars.

The Orijen product line includes seven dry dog foods, six claimed to meet AAFCO nutrient profiles for all life stages and one (Senior) for adult maintenance.

The following is a list of recipes available at the time of this review.

  • Orijen Adult
  • Orijen Puppy
  • Orijen Senior
  • Orijen Tundra
  • Orijen Six Fish
  • Orijen Puppy Large
  • Orijen Regional Red

Orijen Adult was selected to represent the other products in the line for this review.

Orijen Adult Dog

Dry Dog Food

Estimated Dry Matter Nutrient Content

Protein = 42% | Fat = 20% | Carbs = 30%

Ingredients: Boneless chicken, chicken meal, chicken liver, whole herring, boneless turkey, turkey meal, turkey liver, whole eggs, boneless walleye, whole salmon, chicken heart, chicken cartilage, herring meal, salmon meal, chicken liver oil, red lentils, green peas, green lentils, sun-cured alfalfa, yams, pea fibre, chickpeas, pumpkin, butternut squash, spinach greens, carrots, red delicious apples, bartlett pears, cranberries, blueberries, kelp, licorice root, angelica root, fenugreek, marigold, sweet fennel, peppermint leaf, chamomile, dandelion, summer savory, rosemary, Enterococcus faecium, supplements: vitamin A, vitamin D3, vitamin E, niacin, riboflavin, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12, zinc proteinate, iron proteinate, manganese proteinate, copper proteinate, selenium yeast

Fiber (estimated dry matter content) = 5.6%

Red items indicate controversial ingredients

Estimated Nutrient Content
MethodProteinFatCarbs
Guaranteed Analysis38%18%NA
Dry Matter Basis42%20%30%
Calorie Weighted Basis35%40%25%
Protein = 35% | Fat = 40% | Carbs = 25%

The first ingredient in this dog food is chicken. Although it is a quality item, raw chicken contains about 80% water. After cooking, most of that moisture is lost, reducing the meat content to just a fraction of its original weight.

After processing, this item would probably account for a smaller part of the total content of the finished product.

The second ingredient is chicken meal. Chicken meal is considered a meat concentrate and contains nearly 300% more protein than fresh chicken.

The third ingredient is chicken liver. This is an organ meat sourced from a named animal and thus considered a beneficial component.

The next two ingredients are herring and turkey, additional quality raw items. After processing, this item would probably account for a smaller part of the total content of the finished product.

The sixth ingredient is turkey meal, another protein-rich meat concentrate.

The seventh ingredient includes turkey liver. This is an organ meat sourced from a named animal and thus considered a beneficial component.

The eighth ingredient is whole eggs. Eggs are easy to digest and have an exceptionally high biological value.

The next two ingredients include walleye and salmon, items high in protein but also omega 3 fatty acids, essential oils needed by every dog to sustain life. After processing, these items would probably account for a smaller part of the total content of the finished product.

The next ingredient is chicken heart. Although it doesn’t sound very appetizing to us humans, heart tissue is pure muscle — all meat. It’s naturally rich in quality protein, minerals and complex B vitamins, too.

Next on the ingredient list is chicken cartilage, a source of both glucosamine and chondroitin sulfate — natural substances believed to support joint health.

After chicken cartilage we find herring meal and salmon meal, yet two more high protein meat concentrates.

Fish meal is typically obtained from the “clean, dried, ground tissue of undecomposed whole fish and fish cuttings” of commercial fish operations.1

From here, the list goes on to include a number of other items.

But to be realistic, ingredients located this far down the list (other than nutritional supplements) are not likely to affect the overall rating of this product.

With seven notable exceptions

First, we note the inclusion of red and green lentils. Lentils are a quality source of carbohydrates. Plus (like all legumes) they’re rich in natural fiber.

However, lentils contain about 25% protein, a factor that must be considered when judging the actual meat content of this dog food.

Next, this recipe also contains chickpeas, also known as garbanzo beans. Like peas, bean and lentils, the chickpea is a nutritious member of the fiber-rich legume (or pulse) family of vegetables.

However, chickpeas contain about 22% protein, a factor that must be considered when judging the actual meat content of this dog food.

In addition, we find peas. Peas are a quality source of carbohydrates. And like all legumes, they’re rich in natural fiber.

However, peas contain about 25% protein, a factor that must be considered when judging the meat content of this dog food.

Next, although dried alfalfa is high in plant protein (about 18%) and fiber (25%), this hay-family item is more commonly associated with horse feeds.

We also note this recipe contains selenium yeast. Unlike the more common inorganic form of selenium (sodium selenite), this natural yeast supplement is considered a safer anti-cancer alternative.

Next, the company appears to have applied friendly bacteria to the surface of the kibble after cooking. These special probiotics are used to enhance a dog’s digestive and immune functions.

And lastly, this food also contains chelated minerals, minerals that have been chemically attached to protein. This makes them easier to absorb. Chelated minerals are usually found in better dog foods.

Orijen Dog Food
The Bottom Line

Judging by its ingredients alone, Orijen Dog Food looks like an above-average dry product.

But ingredient quality by itself cannot tell the whole story. We still need to estimate the product’s meat content before determining a final rating.

The dashboard displays a dry matter protein reading of 42%, a fat level of 20% and estimated carbohydrates of about 30%.

As a group, the brand features an average protein content of 42% and a mean fat level of 19%. Together, these figures suggest a carbohydrate content of 30% for the overall product line.

And a fat-to-protein ratio of about 46%.

Above-average protein. Above-average fat. And below-average carbs when compared to a typical dry dog food.

Even when you consider the protein-boosting effects of the red and green lentils, green peas, chickpeas and dried alfalfa, this looks like the profile of a kibble containing a significant amount of meat.

Bottom line?

Orijen is a grain-free meat-based dry dog food using an abundance of various named meats and organs as its main sources of animal protein, thus earning the brand 5 stars.

Enthusiastically recommended.

Please note certain recipes are sometimes given a higher or lower rating based upon our estimate of their total meat content and (when appropriate) their fat-to-protein ratios.

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Other spellings: Origen, Orijin

Notes and Updates

03/05/2015 Last Update

  1. Association of American Feed Control Officials
  • Vicki Hall

    Me too I just don’t know what to feed them now Let me know what you decide to feed I’m totally stressed about this

  • ChrissyW

    Thank you hon! I’m wondering if the Wellness would be a good one for her,to eat & lose weight on? My 1 year old loves the Wellness toy breed.

  • sandy

    All my pugs have done well and lost weight on foods with moderate or more protein and moderate fat. I haven’t used any weight loss type of food for any of the fat ones. I’ve had two fosters that were 38-40 lbs. they absolutely looked like pigs. So sad. I’ve had around 280 fosters now and they all eat at least moderate protein and fat with canned food or raw toppers and all ages eat this. My oldest foster was 16.

  • theBCnut

    Just exactly where I want my dog food coming from. NOT!

  • Zac Chernik

    New info regarding location of Auburn, Kentucky Kitchen Location.

    Super Fund Site about 2 miles away from kitchen.

    https://cumulis.epa.gov/supercpad/cursites/csitinfo.cfm?id=0401986

    The 57-acre Caldwell Lace Leather Co., Inc. site is located in Auburn, Kentucky. The site includes the area where Caldwell Lace Leather Company (Caldwell) disposed of wastes from its tannery facility in Auburn, Kentucky, from 1972 to 1985. EPA placed the site on the Superfund program’s National Priorities List (NPL) in 1990 because of contaminated groundwater and soil resulting from waste handling practices. EPA, the Kentucky Department for Environmental Protection (KDEP) and the site’s potentially responsible parties (PRPs) have investigated site conditions and taken steps to clean up the site in order to protect people and the environment from contamination. Following site investigations, EPA determined that site contamination does not pose a threat to people and the environment. By monitoring groundwater and surface water, maintaining the landfill cover, and working to place institutional controls on the site property, EPA, KDEP and the site’s PRPs continue to protect people and the environment from site contamination.

  • Lanie Malvit

    Oh my gosh! this is one of the worst foods you could ever feed a dog!! (aside from raw foods)
    dogs need a balance of grain and meat, not 100% meat!
    That is why royal canin is simply the best food you could ever feed a dog,
    royal canin has spent over 50 years testing over a thousand ingredients, and has developed over 150 UNIQUE formulas so that there is a formula to fit each dogs specific needs, whether they are big, small, over weight, under weight, grain free (for the rare dogs that are allergic to grains) digestion issues, and many more things

    If you are still skeptical about trying royal canin, you can try it, and you or your dog doesn’t like it, you can bring it back to where you bought it for a 100% refund, Then you can try a different formula, and i guarantee you that you will find one that is perfect for you and your dog,

    Also, you can use their product selector tool on their website to make it even easier to find the perfect formula for your dog.

  • Zac Chernik

    Forgot to attach images….I was hoping the inline image would of posted with the previous post.

  • Zac Chernik

    I
    see that all of Champion Pet Foods will be sourced from the Kentucky
    Kitchen. I have many concerns regarding their change in sourcing.

    The image below is where they get their new Fresh Water Fish – Ponderosa Farms in Murray, Kentucky that is promoted on the Acana website in the lower right side of the image.

    Champion
    Pet Foods is changing their wording on their product to match the
    change of where the ingredients are sourced, instead of wild caught in
    the lakes and streams of North Canada to Fresh Water for products
    produced in their new Kentucky Kitchen.

    As
    you can see by the aerial photo, it is a small size pond of just a few
    acres in size plus you have all the farmed land which unless they are
    totally organic will produce fertilizer and pesticide runoff into that
    pond. Will Champion Pet Foods be testing for these chemicals in their
    products or will they just take the word of their company that is
    sourcing to them?

    While not all fish is coming from this location it is a move in a questionable direction.

    Orijen sources to follow Acana Lines…… 🙁

  • Lindsay

    I switched my puppy over to Orijen puppy pretty much cold turkey after having a lot of problems with Nutro. He doing great on Nutro!

    The following is what happened with Nutro if interested:

    I switched my 7 month old Husky mix slowly to this food (Nutro Large breed lamb puppy food) over the last 2.5 weeks mixing it with the blue Buffalo he is currently on. I upped the mix of Nutro to approx. 75% from 50% on Monday evening and he threw up Tuesday evening then on Wednesday at 3am. I could not sleep because I was so worried about my baby dog. He threw up most of his dinner after eating it like 9 hours ago. Then I decided to look at the reviews and saw a lot of other people saying the same thing and that Nutro was making their dog sick. I wanted him off the food immediately. I went and bought him Orijen Puppy food Thursday and pretty much switched him cold turkey (I mixed the little bit of the Blue Buffalo I had left in with it) and he has had no problems.

    He was mostly fine on the Blue Buffalo except he would have loose stools sometimes. I did some Research on Nutro looking at Reviews on Pet Smart and everything seemed fine but apparently I did not research enough!

    Do yourself a favour and skip this food! Not worth the risk!

  • mahoraner niall

    Simply the best KIBBLE you could ever feed a dog
    well, if you have enough money, lol
    And if i had enough money, i probably would

    But for those who are going to waste $4 a lb on over priced dog chow (those “special” prescription diets)
    I dare them to try this first.
    Obviously they have the money, and i’d bet the dog would end up doing better than on the “special” food

    The companies (purina, iams, RC, and hills) Just want a way to sell their foods dog chow, proactive health, breed health, and science diet foods at 3x the price, and they know that alot of people will listen to their vet when they say “hey, put your dog on ___ prescription food! and it only costs $90 for a 25lb bag!!”
    lol

  • ChrissyW

    Thank you Sandy! my puppy turned 1 today and i started her on a Wellness,my other is 9 i’m looking for a weight loss for her,she needs to lose 3 pounds.My puppy is a fawn,my older one black 🙂

  • sandy

    I haven’t used Orijen in several years. Currently, the pugs are eating Propac Ultimates, Nature’s Logic, Weruva, Wellness Trufood, and various canned foods, and raw brands such as Stewart, Primal and Tucker’s and Stella and Chewy for treats.

  • ChrissyW

    Does anyone feed this to their pugs? thank you!

  • Bos

    Hillary Ha! ha! Oh sorry, you do get around …And I did as a matter a fact very pleased too …….

  • JJ

    When Tundra was released the company stated that It was “limited edition” sorry you no longer like the line, so now that we all know this, don’t dwell on it, just choose another brand and move on already.

  • Bos

    They can’t even produce it right now ? Always excuses anymore used to be a SUPER COMPANY 2011 was last great year really they changed formula for the 4th time in so many yr’ s too ? They get FOOD of the year and Changed recipe every year “DUH” , I asked..and getting it better HA!!! ! it is so bad now …making it cheaper is hard to cover up

  • Bos

    You better call Champion and get up to date ! They sold a BIG part interest sometime ago and expanded business ! Peter is still involved in Canada plant but the rest is a partnership deal with a $$$$ investor . You know things always change and SO IT GOES JJ Please get real

  • JJ

    Please stop with the myths. Absolutely NO part of Champion Foods have been sold. Your “source” is not being truthful.

  • JJ

    Hi. Only Acana for the time being is being made in the new Kentucy Kitchen. Orijen is still being made in Canada. Champion Foods the maker of both has decided to make Orijen in the US only after the Acana line is going smoothly.

  • markalaw

    Champion was “sold” to a private equity firm, Bedford Captial. Actually, it seems that the founder of Champion, the Muhlenberg family, worked a deal with Bedford to infuse the necessary cash to grow Champion and modernize. Peter Muhlenberg, the founders son, is still deeply involved with the company. Adding a kitchen in the USA was part of this plan as the US is its biggest market. As I understand it, local farmers who source to Champion are held to pretty high standards and are required to source to Champion first. Those who don’t comply are dropped. This has been true in Canada and I suspect it will be true in Kentucky. Of course the Kentucky kitchen will develop its own regionally sourced menus. I haven’t personally seen Champion’s KY kitchen products, yet, but I’m anxious to see how the “menu” changes. Champion has a lot to lose if they fail to maintain the same high standards it has at its Morinville, Alberta Canada home.

  • Bos

    Cute Mark , do you live in Kentucky and work at new plant LOL Really… I did not misunderstand your rant one Bit , and I see on your profile you rant on everything so this is nothing knew ! Just proves you don’t research what you like to spout out about . Kentucky regional product is NOT the Quality Champion sold the label on and not good at all was a HUGE SELL OUT TO PRODUCE less than Quality now food Cheaper . Its a GREAT LOSS TO US real DOG LOVERS Mark now spout again

  • Mark

    This reads like a unabomber manifesto so I’m a bit hesitant to reply, but you seem to have misunderstood what I wrote…

    It’s 48 hours from the KITCHEN, not 48 hours from the CONSUMER. Of course it’s been available in the states for 10+ years, they were importing it from Canada! You do realize that Kentucky is also in a region, right? So they can still call it regional, it’s just going to be a different formula because they grow different things in the Kentucky region. Feel free to keep importing it though, they’re not going to stop making the Canadian regional formula.

    Also, Champion hasn’t been “family run” in years, so if you’re concerned about them “selling out”, it’s already happened!

  • Bos

    Mark , I have used this food for over 10 years and until now wouldn’t have used anything else ! You are wrong on Kentucky food source and Alberta Canada ! The food was Sold originally on premiss it was made with REGIONALLY Sourced foods …Ok, that is Canada sources . That is exactly Why I used and trusted for 10 years, and I am in States . They have sold here in States for over 10 years so your STORY on 48 hours is bunk ! They sold out part of business to ? and now are on a money making agenda looks like . Kentucky is NOT my idea of a food source area I LIKE . Sorry but its true . Taxes and land was cheap for them to get plant going .. get real ! also the labor there doesn’t care about the product like they did as a FAMILY RUN BUSINESS in Canada as it used to be . I contacted my source in Champion concerned about this very issue Months ago , I just wanted to know can I still get Canada food . .”Not Kentucky” ! Well.. answer “you can get until Kentucky plant opens”… REALLY …I am leaving the food after over 10 years , I am not happy to have to do this as its one of a kind food, and they seem to want to ruin it for DOG LOVERS ! They all sell out for the almighty dollar sooner than later . I will buy when I can get Canada and thats only time Kentucky food pathetic. How can it say Regional food anymore ? Because you are now feeding Kentucky ? And they don’t care anymore . They say the TRUTH doesn’t hurt so ..here it ………

  • Pitlove

    Hi DPR-

    Crazy4cats is correct. She does need to be on a large breed puppy food. Orijen Six Fish does not meet the strict criteria for a large breed puppy. I would absolutely switch to the large breed puppy formula.

  • Crazy4cats

    Hi DPR-
    You definitely need to be feeding a food that is appropriate for Large Breed Puppies. I’m not sure if Orijen six fish fits the requirements or not, but their large breed formula does. Here is a link to help you determine what to look for in a food for a LBP.

    http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/best-dog-foods/best-large-breed-puppy-food/

    Best of luck with your pup!

  • DPR

    Hi all,

    I don’t typically post on forums but I am concerned about my puppy and the best food for her. I have a 4 month old Chesapeake bay retriever and have been feeding her Orijen six fish. I did a lot of research and felt like this was the best food for her at the time, but I am not so sure anymore. I have noticed that she has become very flaky and itchy, and she has been growing very quickly. I have been considering switching her over to the large breed puppy formula. Does anyone have any advice that could help me find the best food for her?
    Thank you

  • Mark

    Due to Champion’s requirement that food sourced for Acana and Orijen must be within 48 hours of the kitchen, a formula change was inevitable for the USA food. Kentucky farms are not inherently any worse than Alberta farms though, so there’s no reason to assume the brand will suffer. In the end though, it all will depend on how your dog does on it.

  • Monica Garcia

    Let me know what you decide on because I too am looking to change from orijen since the move.

  • Angela

    Kirkland (by Costco) Nature’s Domain Salmon food is actually a very good food. We feed our english bulldogs that when we’re not feeding Acana/Orijen and before we fed that and their skin health was excellent. I would recommend it to anyone looking for a something a little cheaper option to the name brand foods.

  • Amateria

    They should of thought this through more, there’s been so many problems with it and it seems new ones add themselves everyday… Poor move.

    Hopefully they fix all the issues, before they loose everyone’s trust heh.

  • Laura Klingler

    I’m already researching other brands. It’s a shame.

  • theBCnut

    It has definitely messed it all up. They have added so many ingredients to their formulas that no dog on a limited ingredient diet should use their foods. Champion Petfoods is no longer number 1 in my book.

  • Laura Klingler

    I’ve been feeding my boys various blends of Orijen and Acana dry foods for over a year now and they do very well on it. When I went and bought another round last week, the store clerk asked me if I knew that the food is now be sourced and produced in Kentucky. I haven’t had time to research this fully; however, I’m more than a little concerned about how this will effect their product quality. Most of the bags on the shelf was already the food made in the USA instead of Canada where is was sourced before. They have a good thing going, I just hope this move doesn’t mess it all up!

  • Iesha Chan

    Hi everyone, me and my husband have recently become pet parents. We started with just one small Chihuahua, I spent hours researching a safe and good quality dog food. Orijen has a lot of positive reviews, haven’t seen any recalls. They did have a recall for their sister company Acana in 2011. Anyways, our Chihuahua eats so little we can afford the high price Orijen. Well now we adopted a shepherd mix and she is going to get big. I have been debating on whether to down graded our choice in dog food. However, I still can’t seem to find a food that I feel comfortable with, maybe natural balance. My point is I am going to stick with Orijen as long as I can afford it. I am feeding the little one Regional Red, but we are going to switch to the Adult food which is poultry and fish and 15 dollars cheaper. I have been researching stores that carry Orijen in our local area to find any deals. We will see how our shepherd likes the Orijen puppy food.

  • Storm’s Mom

    Typically, kibbles higher in meat content will producer darker coloured kibble. Since Orijen has among the highest amounts of meat content among kibbles (if not the highest), I’d expect it to be amongst the darkest (if not the darkest) as well. I haven’t fed Six Fish in a while (and as long as it has alfalfa in it, I won’t be feeding it to my now alfalfa-intolerant Storm) but I do recall his poops being pretty dark on it as well.

  • Linda Esker

    Thank you!

  • Azul

    Orijen is a very dark colored kibble, so it is reasonable that stools would be darker also.
    I’ve used it a few times and my dogs had very dark colored stools also. It’s completely normal.

  • Linda Esker

    I just switched my 5 year old collie to orijin dog food gradually. He loves it but I have noticed while he has beautifully nice formed stools they are very dark almost bordering on black. Is this normal?

  • Mel Jeffery

    Thanks Rachel we love Orjien but my boy has bad acl’s and isnt as active anymore, I worry its too rich
    as he has b]put on a lot of weight, we were going to try orjien senior, but perhaps we’ll take your advise.

  • Mel Jeffery

    same here peg! its so expensive but my boy loves it and it seems like a really great product, he has been on orjien red for 1 year now. he eats better than us! I only worry as he ages (hes 51/2 now) it may be too rich??

  • Maxwell Ebneter

    I’d go as far to say our shepherd eats better then us most months! We love orijen and are trying tundra this month! I wouldn’t feed her anything wouldn’t personally eat.

  • Pitlove

    If you are looking into Orijen, I would suggest Six Fish simply because it is very different from the food you are currently feeding.

    You will want to switch over to Orijen for probably longer than the recommended 7-10 days since your dog has eaten one food for 9 years. Start with 25% of the new food and 75% of the old and do that for several days. If his stool still looks good in a few days, you can up it to 50-50. Continue monitoring his stool and again after several days go up to 75% new food, 25% old food and after several more days, if his stool still looks good go to 100% Orijen. If at any point his stool starts getting loose take a step back. Let his body guide you on how the transition is going.

    You may also want to consider adding a tastey probiotic like Kefir (can be found at Walmart in the milk section) to help ease into the new food.

    Whatever food you choose, I hope your baby finds some relief. We’ve only now just sorted out my pitbulls food allergies and skin issues. He does best on a fish and grain inclusive kibble. Best of luck!

  • zoe the chow

    Hi mousey,

    Without some type of food allergy diagnosis, or a list of foods your pit doesn’t like, I would try a formula that is poultry or fish based. I believe a varied diet is a good thing so I would not go with a food that contains venison.

    This is a link to an article on Dog Food Advisor about diet rotation and how to switch foods.

    http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/frequently-asked-questions/diet-rotation-for-dogs/

    Pits are the best!

  • mousey

    My 9y/o pitt bull has been on Nature’s Recipe venison meal and rice since he was a puppy. As he has gotten older he has developed a bald spot on his head, and some pimple type spots under his arms. He also has frequent constipation followed by runny stool. I am interested in switching to Orijen, but am not sure which recipe would be best for him, or how to go about switching. Any help is greatly appreciated.

  • Tresa Cornelius Sewick

    I decided to try Orijen 4 months ago I have 3 dogs. They had been eating Dr Tims which I still think is an amazing brand. But one of my pups Willow a 10 yr old LabraDoodle for the past year we had notice she had been slowing down. Not playing and running which she loved. Her coat wasn’t as shiny, we noticed it was harder for her to get up from a lying position etc. Thinking is could also be depression because we had lost her best friend/sister 1 year earlier that they grew up together with. The Vet check everything labs etc and all was fine. She then started limping, x-rays were normal for her age. So I thought I need to try something possible her diet needs changing something more. I’m not kidding you within 2 weeks we noticed a change in this girl she got up and started to play in the yard with her other siblings. One run around yard turned into two and now she is back jumping creeks and tracking through the fields. Her coat is beautiful. I have never wrote a review for a dog food. We were simply Amazed by her transformation. We are not wealthy, we live on a retired military income. We budget for our 3 dogs to have this food and its not inexpensive especially when your feeding large breed dogs. The joy our pups give us outweighs the cost. We rotate between the 6 grain fish and the two other grain free.

  • Amateria

    Yeah it’s good from what I’ve read and I’ve read a lot of the comments for Orijen heh, I’ve never used it though because we don’t have it here, I read the other foods you used because I didn’t recognise two of them and your essentially going from foods with 25% meat to a food that’s filled the rim with meat, so in essence if your dog doesn’t get used to the food after like a month or so than its too rich for them.

    Of course you may never have that problem but I am going to put it out there because it’s important to know that, as a lot of people assume a food is bad because their dog/s didn’t do well on it, when that is simply not always true.

  • Azul

    Yes Orijen is a very good kibble. They use high quality, locally sourced ingredients. And manufacture their own foods.
    Orijen receives 5 stars on this site. Let us know how it works out for your dogs. Just remember to switch over slowly, if your dogs aren’t used to rotating foods.

  • Mark Birtles

    Hi,
    I have a Husky and a Staffy and feed them dry food.
    They do have cooked chicken thighs and things inbetween, most days.
    I did use Collards, Science Plan and James Wellbeloved foods.
    Just been out and bought two 13kg bags of Orijen dry food.
    I’m told this is very good quality.
    Anyone else used this food ? Is it as good as people say ?

    Thanks in anticipation

  • Shawna

    No, Orijen is not too much protein for small and toy breed dogs. Many toy and small breed dogs do wonderfully on raw and dehydrated diets which can be even higher in protein than raw. Including my own and my fosters, I’ve had over 30 toy and small breed dogs eating protein amounts at or higher than Orijen and doing wonderfully.

    If either pup is allergic or sensitive to one of the meats (or other protein sources – legumes as an example) then they will have an issue but otherwise it should be fine. Some folks don’t like to mix so many proteins in case they ever need to feed a “novel” protein though.

  • GimpLady

    you are absolutely correct…or at least I think so too, and that is why I add a lot of other things to his diet…and I know I still don’t get them all….

  • GimpLady

    I believe you are correct Vance…..and it is made in CANADA…..which is what made me look at it first…I believe both are made around Edmonton,AB

  • Vance Tullier

    Sidenote, we picked up one of the pork based Acanas and mixed it 50/50 with the Orijen puppy a year or so ago and it was a major hit also.

  • Vance Tullier

    I think they’re manufactured by the same general group. Acana is a lower protein option (for those who want less protein in their dogs diet for any of a number of understandable reasons). I do like that Acana has a very broad and diverse range of types which the Orijen is getting better at lately but still lags behind. The new Tundra version from is a ridiculous hit with ours, she would literally pick them from the mix when I was trying to “introduce” her to it and sat as if pouting hoping for a refill on the new bits. It figures though, 12% less food for ~133% of the original price hurts a bit.

  • ch2856

    The percentage is only one part of the story, the more important part it’s the total grams of protein. On Origen you feed much less than most other brands so the total protein consumption is not that different. Most of all, the quality of the protein is the most important part and thats where Orijen shines. If he dose not have allergies, diversity of meat is actually a good thing.

  • GimpLady

    If you don’t like ‘conversations’ why don’t you research properly instead on this venue…which btw, is for learning…. and stop posting such mean and miserable comments…Glad I am not your dog.

  • GimpLady

    agree completely, I looked into it very very carefully before I gave it to my dog….It is good food for him….the only other one I did as careful research on was Acana….Orijen won!

  • GimpLady

    oh , that is so very sad…I understand the situation though….Dogs are VERY expensive, I know what it costs me and it is HUGE, and most disabled people are living on a tiny Disability pension, and they simply can’t afford to spend what needs to be spent. And yes, my dog does look amazing, (people stop me to tell me how great he looks) and he works really hard, the least I can do is feed him the best I can. and yes, people think I am nuts…

  • Amateria

    He must look amazing!
    I’ve seen a few service dogs around and I saw one at the supermarket recently, he looked awful, dull lifeless hair, he had bald spots, his skin looked greasy and he was scratching a lot, poor thing just needed a better diet with some oils, wish I could of told his owner about a better diet but that’s not really something that you do.

  • GimpLady

    Although I feed my Lab Regional Red. I also add, Pumpkin. Quinoa, Beef Broth, Green Beans. Sardines, Turmeric, Coconut oil, and Salmon Oil…Also Organic Apples, Celery, PJ, Cantaloupe as snacks…He’s Great, and he is a Service Dog.

  • Kyle

    We have two shih tzus that have been on Acana since we got them. One is seven and the other is five. The five-year old was abused and still shows signs of abuse despite being showered with love. He’s occasionally picky with food, so we sometimes top his food with some cooked grass fed beef or chicken, and we give them sardines in water once a week for omegas.

    Recently, he’s getting even pickier with food, despite us rotating the Acana regionals. He really likes Wild Prairie, and he tolerates Pacifica and Grasslands. Not a huge fan of Ranchlands. Now, even if we do the occasional topping with chicken or beef, he’s timid and will eat the meat and leave behind the Acana. It takes a lot of enticing for him to eat the dry food. I know people say doing this will make him more picky because he knows if he doesn’t eat Acana he will get something else, and I also know people believe dogs won’t starve themselves and they’ll eventually eat, but I hate when he does this. He loves his Stella and Chewy treats and his Vital Essentials beef tripe, but he’s just not a fan of Acana anymore it seems. What do we do?

    Also, he does seem to like Orijen Tundra. We bought him a small sample bag (he gets a few pieces once in a while and he really likes it) and we were thinking about trying to rotate Orijen formulas, but my concern is whether the protein % is too high for a 16lb dog and whether there are too many kinds of meats in some Orijen formulas (Tundra has like 10 different meats!)

  • Yoda

    I had a dog who had terrible allergies and he would get really smelly infections (yeast). After seven years of fighting it and giving him so many steroids he developed Cushings disease, I found Orijen and his life was turned around! No more skin problems and his Cushing’s went into remission until the end of his life. I will only give my pets this food …

  • Alyssa

    I feed all of my dogs the Orijen Regional Red, I have a 15 week old German Shepherd, a 2 year old lab/Newfie mix, and a 7 year old German Shepherd, they all do beautifully on it! Their coats look and feel great and they are very healthy! Even my cats and ferrets eat The Orijen Regional Red for cats! I highly recommend!

  • Sheila Moore Rials

    This is copied from the beginning of the ingredient list on the Orijen Regional Red Formula. Boneless angus beef*, boneless wild boar*, boneless lamb*, beef liver*, boneless pork*, pork liver*, whole herring*, lamb liver*, beef meal, lamb meal, herring meal, salmon meal, pollock meal, beef tripe*, bison*, lamb fat, whole egg*. All the fresh meat ingredients are mostly water and would actually comprise a lower percentage of the actual food. So as you get down the list to the meals, there are 2 sources of red meat meals and 3 sources of fish meals. My question is does this food actually have more fish content or more red meat content?

  • Jacqueline

    Hi Jeremy, we have a beautiful Portuguese Water Dog, female, 7 years old. Have fed Orijen from day 1. She loves the food, all the flavours, especially the Regional Red and Six Fish. She still plays like a pup at 7 years old, loads of energy, beautiful lustrous coat. PLEASE do not ever feed your dog a kibble with grain/fillers. Even though the price of a high quality kibble like Orijen looks high it is very nutritionally dense and you need less of it. Origen does make a puppy and a senior food if you are concerned about feeding your pup the adult food. I like the fact that Orijen proudly offers information on all the ingredients in their food including where they are sourced. Especially since we live in Canada and most of the components are sourced locally. We are getting a second pup soon and will stay with Orijen for sure!

  • TAG

    My puppy was eating Orijen puppy kibble and had very runny stools and his fur was very dry. Our vet recommended Purina PRO Plan puppy kibble and he loves it. His fur is a lot softer and his stools have been better. I know Purina gets a bad rap but so far my puppy is doing so much better.

  • Jeremy

    Thank you! Much appreciated

  • Pitlove

    Protein is a non factor for growing large breed puppies. The concern lies with calcium levels. Orijen Large Puppy would work if you are willing to spend the money. Grain free and grain inclusive also does not matter. As long as the food meets the requirements for the calcium/phosphorus and the calcium/calorie ratios you can feed either or. Grain inclusive however, is usually a lot cheaper and comes in bigger bags.

    You also want to make sure not to over feed the dog and keep them trim and lean during growth. Really that should be done throughout their whole life though.

  • Jeremy

    I’m getting a lab at the end of April. Can anyone recommend a good food for puppies? I’m thinking Performatrin ultra, Nutro ultra, or Orijen. I notice that Origen has high protein and people recommend that pups should have a 30 protein 20 fat diet. Also what’s everyone’s thought on grain free vs grain inclusive foods?

  • Nicole Koepke

    I started feeding my now 12 year old lab/collie Grasslands 4 years ago. No more allergies!!!

  • Ke Sa

    brought a Lab mix puppy home when he was 11 weeks old, my Mom brought a puppy home from the same litter. They both had serious allergy issues where they’d bite their paws and scratch uncontrollably until bleeding and massive hair loss. Vet did the usual crap of steroids and Royal canine HP food which didnt help at all. I decided to go with origen after some research and he went on Apoquel, a new medicine that stopped his reaction (scratching/biting) within 4 hours. He loves the food and his coat is so shiny and beautiful that people literally comment on it all the time. He’s had the 6 fish, regional red and we’ll soon try the Tundra. Neighbors who had the same issues with their pets tried the exact same formula (Apoquel and Origen and received the same results). I want my pet on medication as little as possible so after 6-8 weeks on the Apoquel I stopped giving it and the allergic conditions have not returned. Some wonder if it was just the food that helped so much. I highly recommend Origen. I do not have any reason to endorse the food other than the results I’ve seen.

  • DB

    Carna4 is one of the foods that are way more pricey than Orijen, but my dog can’t digest it at all, probably going back to Orijen as my girls base. Everything I read, seminars, studying label etc., and $90 for 13 lbs. and it came out exactly as it went in. Raw was simply not enough calories for my active dog, couldn’t feed her enough of it. Trying to get nutritious food these days for us or our animals takes persistence and diligence. I am just happy to see people who care enough to have opinions.

  • Bobby dog

    Hi Dog Lover Plus:
    Champion is owned by Bedford Capital, I believe since 2012. They appear to be a fairly successful large investment firm. Here’s some info on Bedford:
    http://www.bedfordcapital.ca/investments2.html

    http://www.bedfordcapital.ca/investment.html

    http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2013/01/08/canadas-bedford-capital-seeking-to-sell-noranco/

  • Amateria

    I generally state them because of all the horror stories I’ve read and their general lies, I was also speaking to you directly not the other person.

    When speaking about certain things ill undoubtedly mention the companies I hate the most whether they have something to do with the conversation or not because I hate them that much that I feel they need a mention and I hope people from purina come on here and read what me and everyone else has to say about them even if they laugh at us as long as they know I’m happy.

    My moods on what I write about change daily and even from hour to hour, sometimes I just feel the need to tell people exactly how I feel about a particular thing. I have tried letting it out by telling people in real life but no one really seems to care and so I go on carrying it inside and it usually ends up exploding in a flurry of words that I sometimes feel really bad about writing, my stomach churns every time I think about it, which is why I generally don’t comment when I’m un happy because it doesn’t end well for me.

    I hope that that cleared some stuff up for you? I am officially going to bed now as I am exhausted beyond belief and I don’t think I should partake in anymore comments tonight as I may regret them.

  • Amateria

    Yes I know that it will never happen and its sad that things with big corporations will likely never change as the big $ is all they care about because to live a happy life in their eyes they require 6 mansions, 14 cars, 4 boats and a whole lot of other stuff that they don’t need but somehow think they do?

    I would not be the least bit surprised if they laugh at all the death their causing afterall we can’t see what they do inside their mansions that they so desperately need…

    All in all I was simply stating a fact, if you have nothing to hide you will be proud of your food and you will gladly tell people were the food is from and what parts. If you have something to hide on the other hand you will take people through loops and hoops just so you don’t have to answer their questions and you will never ever state the type of meat used in your unspecified meat meal or what by products you use in your food.

    Not people I’d ever want to deal with and none of my dogs will ever deal with companies who prefer to hide over the ones that prefer to shine brightly.

  • Pitlove

    What does this conversation have to do with Purina? There was no mention of Purina in the OP’s post or specifically named by-products v.s not specifically named. Her concern was with all by-products. At least, that is how I interrepted it.

  • Dog Lover Plus

    Yeah, that’s not going to happen. Champion Dog Foods (Acana, Orijen) can source their supplies (and print that on the label) from trusted suppliers, in part, because they aren’t owned by a huge multi-national corporation whose profit motives, and not a true and deep concern for dogs’ health, drives their decisions about where and who they source their ingredients from. Unfortunately (for dogs) Champion is simply filling a niche, which is to say, supplying dry kibble to some of the most informed and particular of dog and cat owners. For all dog foods to put as much care and thought into their products, not to mention investment, as Champion does, it would take a fundamental reboot of the way we regulate pet foods. Until then, I’m happy to be a niche buyer and my dog is no doubt thankful for my particularity.

  • Amateria

    Only difference is these companies are proud of their by products they list what they are actually using unlike purina who are hellbent on making sure we never find out what by products are in their food.

    Sure you can ask but they will probably tell you what aafco wrote lol, obviously their not proud of their by products if they don’t want to list them.
    If you think people wouldn’t buy it when they see chicken heart think again most people don’t check ingredients. They would never know, but those that do would be happy that purina finally started caring.

  • Pitlove

    Regarding by-products. You are still feeding by-products when feeding Orijen. What do you think all of the whole organ meats are in this food? They are by-products. There is nothing wrong with by-products. They are a healthy addition to a dogs diet and provide a good source of protein coupled with muscle meat.

  • Gem

    Whether a person receives payment or not for their opinion about a product, that does not change the FACTS about that product. My Yorkie is seven months old and I stopped feeding him the brand of dog food recommended because after a detailed seach about the ingredients (animal by-products) I was shocked. I wanted a dry food to feed him in addition to the food I prepare for him, and my search led me to this site. My dog loves this brand of puppy food as well as the treats. Yes, it is costly, but I wouldn’t feed my family meat by-products, so I’m definitely NOT going to do give that to my doggie either. Furthermore, I want to know what the ingredients are and where they come from because that’s how I feed my family. And NO I am NOT being compensated for what I’ve written, I’m just sharing my opinion about a product I believe in.

  • Sandra

    Sooo cute!! I have 2 female Westies, there so much fun!!

  • theBCnut

    If dogs are accustomed to having their food changed, they do not have any issues with it at all. Just like people are healthier when they eat a variety of foods, so are dogs. No food is perfect so feeding variety helps to make sure all of your nutritional bases are covered. And yes, if you know anything about nutrition, you can feed your dog a balanced diet from human food and even an unbalanced diet of good quality food is better than some of the kibbles that people are feeding their dogs.

  • Katie Vance

    Please no hills food and go to a different vet that doesn’t promote hills! Hills food is low quality and full of cheap filler ingredients. Those vets that promote that brand literally recommend it to EVERYONE and only because they are getting paid to do so which I don’t think is right because they aren’t putting the animals well being at the top of their list. They should know it’s not good food. Natural foods with no corn, soy, by products are the way to go. Meat as the first ingredient is best. This is a great food. Fromm foods are awesome too but not quite as expensive.

  • Katie Vance

    Lol seriously? No they should not be eating random different foods that people eat. Giving them different foods like that can make them sick and not all people eat healthy.

  • Crazy4dogs

    Yeah, I like my vet. They always call with the results, have a hard copy for me and always return calls. They even call back to see how everything’s going if I’ve called in with a problem or been to them for any issues. 🙂

  • Crazy4dogs

    Mine is usually a 3-4 page report and thyroid is listed in a separate area for the basic thyroid including an explanation of the results. Since my dog’s was low 2 times in a row, I decided to do the next test. She came back completely normal, and had no sypmtoms of hypothyroidism, so we left it at that.

  • theBCnut

    For dogs and people that are low thyroid, they suggest regular ingestion of a source of iodine, but controlling the amount is important.

  • Babslynne

    I’m looking at my copy of the blood work and there is nothing about T4 or THS levels, I called the vet to ask but no call back yet (no surprise).

  • Crazy4dogs

    I posted this earlier, but I can’t see it on the thread, so I’m reposting without the link in case that’s the problem.

    Thanks for this heads up on this Babslynne! My older Lab is low, but not hypothyroid, so it shouldn’t be an issue, but I will be very careful in using the Plaque Off for my dogs in the future. I do like the product and it has helped with the Plaque.

    I did find a Plaque Off link that does mention about use in Hyperthyroid cats.

  • Crazy4dogs

    Did your vet do a complete blood panel? Mine includes thyroid in the test. My avatar tested on the low side twice in a row, so we did the actual thyroid test and it was normal.

  • aimee

    Sometimes a thyroid screening test is on the complete health panel. You should call your vet and see if one was done.

    I’m glad your dog is doing better but without the test to verify hyperthyroidism you can’t report the problem to the FDA and if things like this occur they need to be reported.

  • Babslynne

    The vet didn’t do a thyroid test that I know of, I still need to find a new vet before I take him in for a test.

  • aimee

    Hi Babslynne,

    This is very interesting to me as a friend’s dog’s thyroid tests are elevated.

    How high were the thyroid levels in your dog?

  • Babslynne

    When I took him to the vet they didn’t know what was wrong with him, they ran blood work and did X-rays and still had no idea what was wrong with him, I had to figure it out myself. Once I matched his symptoms with a diagnosis I started looking for a cause and that’s when I discovered the blue-green algae and the seaweed in those items. He was down to 17lbs down from 23.6 at the vet the year before. I started feeding him a small meal between breakfast and dinner, another one at bed time and another one at 3am when hubby left for work. He still wasn’t barely gaining weight, he would hover between 18 and 19lbs, that’s when I figured it out and started the coconut oil, that’s when he finally got up to 19 lbs then 20 within a week. I went back to feeding him only twice a day and he is hovering between 20 and 21 lbs which is where he should be, and I don’t see any other symptoms anymore either. I’m still not sure what caused the skin breakout, could be the detox affect of the coconut oil, or it could be the spring time blooms, or it could be that little bit of food he stole from his brother with chicken in it. I’ll have to wait and see, and try to find a better vet.

  • Crazy4cats

    Thats good news. Does your vet think it can be reversed or just managed?

  • Babslynne

    No meds yet, I thought I would try something natural first, coconut oil. So far it seems to be working, as soon as I started it he started gaining his weight back and the excessive panting has stopped, and he seems to be back to his old self again including a skin break out. So a few days ago I also started him on Vetri Science Cell Advance 880 because it has a lot of vitamins in it that NutraVet had without the blue-green algea, and it also has Quercetin which has been reported to have an antihistamine effect, and his skin is now clearing up.

  • Crazy4dogs

    Thanks for this heads up on this Babslynne! My older Lab is low, but not hypothyroid, so it shouldn’t be an issue, but I will be very careful in using the Plaque Off for my dogs in the future. I do like the product and it has helped with the Plaque.

    I did find a Plaque Off link that does mention about use in Hyperthyroid cats:

    http://www.propetsupplements.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/ProDen-PlaqueOff2.pdf

  • Crazy4cats

    That is very concerning. Thanks for the info. I have a 16 year-old cat who is hyper-T and I think it may be due to the fact that I fed her a lot of cheap canned seafood in her younger year. Which, may also be full of iodine. Is your dog on meds now?

  • EBT Stitch

    I would still recommend this over blue buffalo, there is only one verity of blue buffalo that’s any good rest 2 star products. It’s grain free and better then 90% of dry foods out there. Sure it has had recalls but other decent options are pretty big jump in price

  • Babslynne

    I was giving my dog NuVet Plus, I was also using Plaque Off, then my dog became Hyperthyroid. The NuVet Plus has blue-green algea which is full of Iodine, and the Plaque off is made from Seaweed which is also full of Iodine.

  • Joanne Debons

    Thank you for the advice. I was actually seriously considering Acana and will look into it more.

  • Crazy4dogs

    Hi Rachel, just an FYI, Taste of the Wild is packed by Diamond and is actually a Diamond brand. 😉

  • Peg Garrison

    Thanks Rachel- I didn’t know that- the first bag I got was Acana – I honestly don’t remember which- – both dogs loved it- –that was when my friend at Holistic Pets asked me to try ‘Red’- that has gone well so far. Maisy’s weight is something we will have to deal with- our vet told me that she is probably 5-10 lbs over right now. Denby( my heart patient) is perfect weight and I have to feed him quite a bit to keep his weight up. With raw food it seemed easier to just make up batches of ‘satin balls’ which I also made from scratch and were full of molasses, wheat germ meat- very high calorie and Denby LOVED THEM!!! Maisy did too so that made things difficult.
    With the dry food, they don’t pay too much attention to each other’s bowls so I could probably give her Acana and she would probably not know. Haha?!

  • Pitlove

    Hi Rachel-

    Yes you are correct that you can use the calcium calculator to determine if the food is large breed puppy safe, but don’t forget not every company provides the MAX calcium and phosphorus percents like Champion does! If they don’t, the individual will need to email the company for those percents. Don’t forget that when you’re talking to customers at work!

  • Rachel Tibbs

    Acana is great! Try the Duck and Pear if you haven’t already. It smells amazing.

  • Rachel Tibbs

    Pumpkin is high in fiber and helps firm up stools. Sweet potato does this as well.

  • Rachel Tibbs

    Orijen has a high meat content, which can account for the loose stools.

    What proteins were you feeding him? Chicken, beef, and lamb are huge allergy proteins, especially the first two. Avoid those proteins and switch to something fish-based without grains. My dog is also an itchy fellow, but avoiding those three proteins and all grains has eliminated any problems.

    Some of the proteins I feed him: fish, duck, kangaroo, rabbit, venison, boar, bison, and pork. You can switch it up, but I usually try to give him fish in every other bag of food. The oils are great for his skin.

  • Rachel Tibbs

    My main issue with Taste of the Wild is that it’s copacked by Diamond, which is known for its terrible standards and steady stream of safety recalls.

    Taste of the Wild was the cheapest grain-free food with unique proteins at the store where I used to work, so I recommended it to people whose dogs were scratching themselves to death when they didn’t want to spend much money. But that’s the only time I recommended it.

  • Rachel Tibbs

    You need a Large Breed Puppy food if your puppy is going to weigh over 50 pounds when full grown 🙂

    You can use the calcium and phosphorous calculator here to check any food you want to try:

    http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/best-dog-foods/best-large-breed-puppy-food/

    The calcium to phosphorous ratio of the Orijen Puppy Large food is about 1.2:1, which is great! The calorie content is 3800 kcal/kg, which is also great.

  • Rachel Tibbs

    I’m starting to sound like a broken record in this comment section (sorry!!) but have you considered Acana instead? Same company, same ingredient quality, but not such a high meat content. When I worked at a holistic pet food store, we always recommended that owners take a step back from the high meat content when their dogs had loose stool. Some of them just can’t handle a diet of 70-80% meat.

    Adding pumpkin or sweet potato may also work, but it’s less of a hassle to cut the meat content than to keep adding extras in the long term.

  • Rachel Tibbs

    Try Acana instead. It’s made by the same company and is just as high in quality, but it’s less expensive. The only difference is that it has a different meat-to-fruit/vegetable ratio. 50-50 or 60-40 as opposed to Orijen’s 70-30 or 80-20. Still a good amount of meat and no grains, but less bank-breaking.

    The Duck and Pear is my favorite. It smells better than any dog food I’ve encountered (and I worked in a pet food store!).

  • Rachel Tibbs

    Orijen Tundra is even more expensive than the Red! Ten different meats. The first ten ingredients are: Goat, venison, mutton, bison, whole arctic char, rabbit, duck, whole steelhead trout, whole pilchard, and whole alaskan cod.

    As for the weight issue, I feed Acana to keep my dog from becoming a pudgeball. It’s made by the same company and is held to the same standards. It just has a lower percentage of meat. You may need to cut back how much you’re feeding, or try Acana instead if your dog’s gaining weight on Orijen.

  • Crazy4cats

    I have not noticed that with Chewy. I’ve notice something similar with PetFlow though. I order from them both fairly regular. It’s so convenient!

  • Barb McKinley

    My problem with Chewy right now is if you order a product regularly the cost goes up, change and then go back and cost decreases??? Anyone else see the same thing?

  • EBT Stitch

    No not as good but then again I don’t think any food that’s kibble is as good as Orijen, but Orijen is also difficult to find in stores unless it’s ordered. But in general those 3 are the foods I choose for my stitch.

  • Peg Garrison

    My babies have switched from homemade raw to Orijen Red( must be the most expensive food on the market ) and I keep looking for any negatives that I can find. Can not find any. They are thriving. Coats are still luxurious , no scratching, no gastric problems, perfectly reasonable poops– they love it. I give them apples, green beans, pumpkin and unpastuerized goat milk- so we supplement sort of- but I feel ok feeding this food. I was pretty upset about switching from raw but my husband insisted that I try it. It has been a success. We. May go back to raw- haven’t decided- I have a little white golden girl- she’s a little heavy right now and I know if I put her on raw that weight would come right off. We’ll see.

  • Mandy

    also their ingredients have some how changed with the 6 fish as my dog will no longer eat it.

  • Mandy

    when are people going to learn that dogs do not need kibble 100% of the time. Give them what you eat as long as its not grapes or onions

  • Pitlove

    Here’s another fun fact. Orijen had a recent price increase and they soon plan to reduce their bag sizes (28 lb will be 25lb) and then have a “price cut” 🙂

  • Justin Douglas

    My Shar-Pei loves Orijen dog food! I definitely can see the difference in his health, coat, etc. This is the only food that he gets excited for; i.e., he knows the difference in foods. It is very expensive, but it is worth it! I also use the Orijen treats 🙂

  • nojack

    Champion Pet Food has raised the price once again to $83.99 for a 28.6 pound bag of Orijen Adult Dog Food. They also will NOT Allow ANY Discounts to be given at checkout, or ANY Coupons to be used when purchasing their products. I believe the time has finally come to look elsewhere for a dog food that isn’t NOW OVERPRICED, like Orijen Now Is. Now only available for the elite filthy rich. Time to Move On! Bow Wow>>>>>>>>>>>

  • Susan

    Go with ur heart anything is better then the vet diets…the only thing is when the protein % is higher the fat% will be higher, Have a look at “Canidae” Pure Meadow or their Pure Foundations http://www.canidae.com/dog-food/dry

  • Ciara Dyson

    Hi, I have a 9 year old Old English Sheepdog, just diagnosed with dilated cardiomyopathy. I know the prognosis isn’t great for her, and the vet recommended Hills Puppy food to try and keep her muscle mass up, but reading this I think Orijen Puppy would be better- any advice? Many thanks, Ciara

  • Peg Garrison

    True– it takes a day it two for them to stop giving you sad eyes. Haha. Less but wonderful more dense great nutrition food- it’s the best. Try the red. My Goldens love love love it!!!!! I have been a homemade raw feeder and I just wanted to try it. I keep buying the bags and they are dancing at meal time. Wonderful coats, GREAT BREATH, FULL OF VITALITY. – I am super impressed. I ate some and it’s really pretty good. ( whacko doggie owner here

  • Peg Garrison

    I’m using the Regional red for my two Goldens- they love love love it and we are having no issues at all. No weight gain, no allergies. We were 100% raw homemade and we decided to try this product with lots of fresh peas, carrots, apples- so far it has been a hit. I still am a raw fan and feel that I will switch back, but this looked so good, I had to try it. It’s really super good. Just had blood work done on my poor little heart patient and he is every bit as healthy as he was on raw so I’m a believer. This company just does things right. Good job guys!!!!

  • Pompom mama

    Anyone have pomeranians using orijen six fish and puppy ?

  • Pompom mama

    Anyone have pomeranians and using orijen puppy and adult six fish ?

  • peron68

    TOTW is not as good, in my opinion. Potatoes are the fourth and sixth ingredient, followed by canola oil. You also have to feed more (for our dog, 3.5 cups instead of 2.5 cups of Orijen per day), so the price difference starts to diminish. EVO is definitely better, but I wish they didn’t have tapioca starch as the eight ingredient.

  • peron68

    We’ve been really happy with Orijen since switching our 5-year-old lab to the Adult formula when he was around a year old. His coat is really nice and he’s in amazing shape with no health problems. One thing to really pay close attention to is the feeding guidelines. Orijen is very nutritionally dense, therefore your dog needs a lot less kibbles per day to get his calories in. The plus side is a that there’s lot less poop to pick up! We had to feed him 4 cups per day of the lower-quality kibble he was on before (hint: the second ingredient was rice), whereas he only needs 2.5 cups per day on Orijen. So even though the other kibble was half the price, you really end up paying the same amount of money for a high quality food, and your dog isn’t excreting excessive amounts of filler four times a day!

  • peron68

    I’m not sure where she got the 19 and 20 from either. Following the feeding guidelines for each kind of dog food is extremely important for the reason you mention. Orijen is nutritionally very dense, which is why dogs get fed less than with other foods. Our 67 lbs active lab gets about 2 1/2 cups of Adult Orijen a day (1195 kcal), but with TOTW High Prairie, we would have to feed him about 3 1/2 cups, according to their feeding guidelines (1295 kcal). Calories per cup is only comparable if you’re feeding the exact same amount, which you’re not with these two brands. At the end of the day, COTW High Prairie is higher-calorie because of the extra carbs, to the tune of about an extra 100 kcal/day (almost 10%).

  • Melissa Douthit

    My pups love this food and they are doing really well on it! Whenever you switch your dog’s food, always do it gradually, mixing in with the old food. Dogs’ stomachs can be sensitive and if they are switched too quickly, it can make them sick. A lot of people don’t realize this and assume that it’s there is something wrong with the new food.

  • Michael B

    Thanks. He seems to enjoy it. He doesn’t seem to understand, though, why all the tourists laugh and point at him… But, as long as he’s the object of attention, all is obviously right with the world. LOL

  • theBCnut

    Usually, I order online from Swanson’s. I get Dr Stephen Langers or Soil Based Organisms. They are human probiotics, but dogs have nearly all the same probiotics in their system that we do. I also sometimes get Mercola’s pet probiotics. These are designed more for dogs and cats.

  • Bobby dog

    Home sweet home is right!! I am jealous, love the Virgin Islands. I love the pic of your pup in his boat even more, how adorable!!

  • Joanne Debons

    Thanks so much for the input. I occasionally give pumpkin and may just add probiotic. Is there a probiotic you like that you would recommend?

  • theBCnut

    How long has he been on Orijen? I would try adding fiber and see how that affects his stool. I give probiotics every few days all the time, so I don’t think it’s a bad idea to give them regardless of stool quality, but it certainly may help. Another thing to try is a short course of digestive enzymes, if he was just switched to this food recently. If he’s been on it for a while and this is an ongoing problem, I would suspect he is one of those dogs who just need a bit more fiber in their diet. I have one.

  • Joanne Debons

    My rottie tends to have slightly loose stool on Orijen but the food is very good and he has an amazing coat. Should I supplement with more fiber or probiotic. I really want to keep him on Orijen

  • Enrique Levien

    This food is good for a boxer puppy?
    I be feeding my 31/2 months puppy with Natural Variety Instinct but is too skinny!!!
    I star feeding with this brand since I get him (8 weeks)… so I want to chance to Orijen Puppy what u say?

  • **MyKidsHave4Paws**

    I have a question.. Are Orijen ingredients GMO Free? On chewy.com it says “GMO-Free” but I can’t seem to find anything on the Champion website saying anything about having GMO free ingredients. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

  • Crazy4cats

    Agreed!

  • All the more reason to stop by your local independent pet supply store and support your hometown economy!

  • Matt Rodriguez

    Caitlin, my beagle also had issues with soft stool when feeding him Regional Red. I switched him over to Orijen 6 Fish & his stool has been perfect ever since. I’ve been feeding him the 6 fish food exclusively for about 2 years without issue. I have tried going back to Regional Red, however my beagles stool went back to being soft & runny. 6 fish it is. I hope this helps.

  • Joanne Belfiore

    My dog has the same problem. I give him pumpkin. In the morning with his food I give him fiber one cereal. About 1/4 cup. Also with the pumpkin. I had no issues. High fiber diet.

  • Melissa

    There’s an ad for 20% off at Chewy – just an FYI that it doesn’t work on Arcana or Orijen anymore. 🙁

  • Opinion02122

    Good to know. I read another review which said you did, and I was responding to it. If you don’t receive compensation then, please, remove my comment!

  • Crazy4cats

    Well, shoot. Thanks for the explanation.

  • Hi C4C,

    Thanks for your kindness.

    However, DFA only gets credit for your initial order — AND only if it’s placed online within 30 days of your first visit to Chewy.com from our website.

    So, at this point, there’s no advantage to either of us by clicking here each time you place future orders.

    Hope this makes sense.

  • Crazy4cats

    Hi Dr. Mike-
    I order from Chewy about once a month. How do I make sure that your website gets credit for the order?

  • What “compensation” are you talking about?

    As it states at the end of every review on our website:

    “…we do not accept money, gifts or samples from pet food companies in exchange for special consideration in the preparation of our reviews or ratings.

    “However, we do receive a fee from Chewy.com for each purchase made as a direct result of a referral from our website. This fee is a fixed dollar amount and has nothing to do with the size of an order or the brand selected for purchase.”

  • Opinion02122

    Thank you for talking about the compensation the DogFood Advisor gets. I was unaware of it and I now don’t trust their evaluations. I’m disappointed.

  • Shawna

    I really don’t think it is “too high in protein” for most dogs. Raw diets are higher in protein than this and lots and lots of dogs do fine on raw when they don’t do well on Orijen or other higher protein kibbles.

    OR, it could be that the higher protein is causing a temporary detox in some animals. The amino acids cysteine, glycine and glutamic acid are used by the body to make the “master antioxidant” glutathione. In theory, feeding higher meat based protein will allow the body more of what it needs to make glutathione — which will cause temporary “detoxing” symptoms such as diarrhea — especially with mucous.

    Another reason for higher incidences of diarrhea on Orijen is the multiple protein and carb sources — more ingredients for pups with a food sensitivity to react to.

  • Alison Mackie Herrera

    We sell this food at our store, and we hear all of the scenarios. It is truly too rich for some dogs, very high in protein, and they are all different just like us humans. Try Acana, same company but less rich. Purina Proplan Puppy’s ingredients are horrible, but all the grains probably helped to firm up the stool.

  • Terri Bell

    I had a lab with same symptoms and skin issues. Took him off beef and switched to chicken and all cleared up. You may want to try that.

  • MSI6SP

    Wow. Caitlin your not alone. We have a 5 year old mix Shi-Tzu/Maltese with similar issues. We went from Beneful to Blue Wilderness to Orijen looking for better nutrition for Gizmo. After switching to Orijen his stool became loose, full anal glands which we had the Vet extract several times in 2 month, somehow he also acquired a cist on the left back leg which we treated with antibiotic, but what was more concerning was the extreme itching on his tail bone, back legs, front legs and constant ear scratching. Vet diagnose him with supposedly fleas, gave him a pill and was treated with flea medication. A few days later the itching continued, I shaved him skin tight but couldn’t find evidence of fleas. Another few weeks past and itching continued. Switch the food back to Blue and a week later itching seized. We are also giving him NuVet Plus.

  • MSI6SP

    Wow. Caitlin your not alone. We have a 5 year old mix Shi-Tzu/Maltese with similar issues. We went from Beneful to Blue Wilderness to Orijen looking for better nutrition for Gizmo. After switching to Orijen his stool became loose, full anal glands which we had the Vet extract several times in 2 month, somehow he also acquired a cist on the left back leg which we treated with antibiotic, but what was more concerning was the extreme itching on his tail bone, back legs, front legs and constant ear scratching. Vet diagnose him with supposedly fleas, gave him a pill and was treated with flea medication. A few days later the itching continued, I shaved him skin tight but couldn’t find evidence of fleas. Another few weeks past and itching continued. Switch the food back to Blue and a week later itching seized. We are also giving him NuVet Plus.

  • EBT Stitch

    Probably the best dog food PERIOD. My English bull terrier LOVES it. Although it is pricey. Evo is a cheaper alternative and taste of the wild is even cheaper still. All three are by far the best dry dog foods around. Highly recommended by me and Stitch 😉

  • DogFoodie

    My Cavalier needs quite a bit of fiber, or she’ll sometimes scoot. I’m able to resolve it quickly when it happens.

    As for your guy, I would be inclined to think that it’s a reaction to either the food or an environmental allergy. Does he have a history of environmental allergies? Do his anal glands have a strong smell? Manually expressing anal glands can present a problem. Ideally, you want to avoid it if at all possible.

    The problem with Orijen is that it’s a pretty complex recipe. Keep in mind, food intolerances can be to many different ingredients, not just animal proteins or grains. I’d switch him to a more limited ingredient food. Narrowing down the offending ingredient is impossible otherwise.

  • Never any anal gland issues before 2-2.5 months ago. I believe it started within a few weeks before the switch or right when we made the switch. It was hard to tell because he wasn’t scooting a lot or anything, he would just sit down very abruptly and look at me uncomfortably. It took a few weeks for me to figure out what was possibly going on, and that’s when we went to the vet. He is in otherwise great health – healthy weight, great bloodwork done 2x now in 3 months, etc. The only other strange thing I’ve noticed is his coat is a little greasier than normal. This started during the last few weeks of Blue before we switched to Orijen. His coat is slightly less greasy on the Orijen, but still not as soft as it once was. But he is eating, playing, and acting normal otherwise.

  • DogFoodie

    Has he ever had anal gland issues on other foods he’s eaten previously?

    The anal gland issue could also be a sign of food intolerance.

  • I have a 7.5 year old 18 lb. male “morkie” (we aren’t convinced that he isn’t actually a cairn/maltese mix). He was on Taste of the Wild for years, but in attempts to help chronic ear infections, he was switched to Blue Wilderness for about 6 months. That’s when I found this site and saw Blue was not a safe choice. About 2 months ago he was switched to Orijen Red Regional. He eats about 2/3 to 1 cup a food per day (this is an estimate because we fill his bowl which is about 2 cups and it takes about 2 days to empty. My 2 cats are also on Orijen & my dog randomly will steal a few of their kibbles (so I’m sure he does it while we are at work). About the time he was switched to Orijen, I noticed him being weird about his tail/bum. Long story short – after researching and noticing loose stools, I took him to the vet and had his anal glands expressed. Vet said they were full, but nothing bad. Now, a few weeks later and I can tell he is having anal gland issues again. I just started giving him a scoop of organic pumpkin each night in hopes of firming his stools and cancelling out the anal gland issue. Does anyone have any advice or experience with this? Should I try limiting/measuring his food, or switching to Acana (lower fat)? If he’s eating some cat food each day too could this be causing the loose stools? I just want my best friend to be comfortable again! Thanks in advance for any advice!

  • aimee

    Hi bohicasis,

    The poster you replied to is correct. The dog, as are its cousins the coyote and jackal are classified by scientists as omnivores.

    I’ll go over a few points. The dentition is considered non specialized. Compare the incisors of a dog to a carnivore the cat. The incisors of the cat are greatly reduced compared to the dog and can be used to nip off plant matter.

    The back teeth of the cat are narrow and pointy but the dog has a broad based molar that sits behind the 4th premolar on the upper arcade and a smaller but equally flattened molar behind it. These match up with the 3 bottom molars which also have flattened surfaces for grinding.

    The jaw is hinged but is capable of lateral movement, not much, but it is there. The dog has more lateral movement than the cat and the omnivorous bear has even more but all are a hinge joint.

    Dogs have taste receptors for sweet, a trait not seen in the carnivore the cat or other carnivores like dolphins and seals. Being able to detect sweet is important when foraging for plants.

    In regards to amylase, it depends somewhat on the study. Certain researches reported its presence in the dog saliva and others as absent. I’m not sure of its importance. I’ve never been able to find that the bear has an appreciable amount.

    Metabolic traits also support the dog as an omnivore. They have the pathway to convert beta carotene into Vit A ..something the cat can not do. They can up regulate and down regulate the pathways to metabolize protein into energy allowing them to adjust to different dietary protein levels. Cats are not this flexible.

    Dogs have pathways in their liver to break down toxins that cats lack. Animals which are plant consumers will be exposed to toxins via plant consumption and have pathways in their liver to handle this exposure.

    Dogs have a very rich supply of brush border enzymes to break down carbohydrate compared to cats.

    But the dog does have a trait of a carnivore.. which is the need for a dietary source of Vit D.

    Overall though the dog is flexible and thus is classified as an omnivore by the scientists that classify such things.

  • bohicasis

    Cows chew widely from side-to-side.

    Herbivores and omnivores possess one aid to digestion carnivores typically lack.

    Carnivores do not produce amylase in their salivary glands.

    Amylase is a specialized enzyme most herbivores and omnivores produce in their
    saliva. It helps begin the break down of starchy carbohydrates into
    simple sugars — before they enter the stomach.

    Although dogs do produce amylase, the enzyme is added further down the digestive tract — in the pancreas and small intestine.

    And they have broad, flat back teeth. And flat teeth are ideal for grinding grains and plant material into finer particles.

    yep, omnivores share this same combination of boxy back teeth
    and sideways grinding motion common to herbivores. Think of your own mouth and how you chew.

    Dogs, on the other hand, don’t have flat teeth. Like all carnivores, they have narrow pointy back teeth.
    Herbivores and omnivores possess one aid to digestion carnivores typically lack.
    Carnivores do not produce amylase in their salivary glands.

    Amylaseis a enzyme most herbivores and omnivores produce in their
    saliva. It helps begin the break down of starchy carbohydrates into
    simple sugars — before they enter the stomach.

    Although dogs do produce amylase, the enzyme is added further down the digestive tract — in the pancreas and small intestines opposed to omnivorous who produce it in their saliva (Placing the Main Load on the Pancreas) (who wants their animal to place a HEAVY load on their pancreas?)

    Canines can’t chew from side-to-side. Their jaws can only move in an up-and-down, chop-chop motion. This is for cutting meat into smaller chunks.

    Dogs are considered “facultative” carnivores, meaning that they are true carnivores (flesh eaters), but they need not depend solely on animal matter to meet all
    of their nutritional needs. They Can survive on other sources of food,
    such as plants and insects, for a Time or as a supplement When Meat is Scarce.

    That canines are omnivores simply is not supported by the dog’s anatomy, physiology, and behavior. Carnivores of all types have several anatomical (i.e., structural), physiological (i.e.,
    functional), and behavioral features in common, and dogs are no
    exception. Perhaps most obvious is that the teeth and the nails or claws
    of carnivores are designed for capturing and devouring their prey.

    They are designed to get most of their nutritional needs from animal matter. The facial structure and dental architecture of the average dog is that of a predator. (We’ll ignore the highly altered breeds such
    as the Pug for now.) The eating patterns of dogs also are those of a
    carnivore: tear off a chunk of flesh or grab a big mouthful of food,
    chew it a couple of times (maybe), then swallow it almost whole, letting
    the digestive juices do the rest with this highly nutritious and
    digestible food.
    To continue with the external features, in most carnivorous animals, including dogs, the eyes are set relatively centrally or forward on the face, in a way that allows visual acuity and depth perception in front of the animal. In contrast, the eyes of
    horses, cows, deer, and other prey species are set more toward the sides of the head, allowing an almost panoramic range of vision (about 350 degrees around in horses), because what they most need to do is spot predators early enough to avoid becoming dinner.

    As for the rest of the digestive system, in comparison to herbivores and even to omnivores, the dog’s digestive system is shorter in length and smaller in volume; the gut transit time (the time it takes for food to travel from mouth to anus) is likewise
    shorter; and the digestive juices are geared more toward the breakdown
    and assimilation of animal proteins and fats—muscle, organs, skin, bone,sinews, etc.—than of plant starches, sugars, and fiber.

    Dog are opportunistic and will eat anything but that does not mean they are omnivorous. The notion that dogs are really omnivores gives us license to feed dogs
    all sorts of cheaper food items, such as grains and various byproducts
    from the human food industry, rather than a diet based on wholesome,
    fresh animal products. That is an
    insidious consequence of proceeding on the assumption that dogs can eat
    anything.

  • bohicasis

    As an added benefit i would feed your dog DE powder every day for 45 days or so. The food grade (not the one used in pools) This removes parasites and those strange celled things that are giardia in case any are left over. They can pick up parasites from anywhere.Giardia was not fun. I use DE powder in my caines food daily_the only dog my clinic says tests parasite and worm free each and every time. Research food grade DE powder. Oh, and i fed my dog 3 times per day. Good luck on bringing back the heath

  • bohicasis

    Pumpkin will def add to loose stools.

  • theamericandreamdavidporter

    Dogs are omnivores. They have three genies that are essential to starch and glucose digestion that makes them very compatible at digesting vegetation. Meat is an very valuable commodity specifically to primitive cultures, humans would only give it to their dog after everyone got their fill. Thus dogs have adapted and evolved to eat more vegetation in their diet.
    Even wolves forage on grains to balance out their digestive system thus they are omivirous also. A total protein diet will cause kidney and liver failure.

  • Bongo fra Kongo

    Orijen makes our dog a diarrhea machine. Our French Waterdog Barbet puppy was eating Orijen Puppy and everything was fine with the three first 2,27kg bags. Immediately after starting on a 13 kg fresh bag a long awfull diarrhea history started. I really wanted to believe it was possible to adapt him to this brand and after months with dreadful diarrhea I ended up giving to little. I think maybe the production quality is to variable? When switching to Purina Proplan Puppy the diarrhea stopped immediately. When blending Orijen with Proplan 50/50 the diarrhea is back. I don`t buy the assertion that Orijen is to rich and nutrient dense for some dogs. When comparing content in Proteins, Fat and energy kcal/kg with Proplan it`s nearly the same with only a few % higher levels of protein and calories in Orijen. Not significant enough to give severe diarrhea. I think there is something wrong with batches from this brand. There are hundreds of similar postings on the internet about Orjen and diarrhea. Biological appropriate?

  • Crazy4cats

    Wow! Your pup is getting big! Looking good. 🙂

  • GSDgrl82

    I’ve posted before about how I had to recently switch from raw to kibble temporarily, I tried several kibbles but my male GSD who’s sensitive to a few things didn’t do very well. He is now back on our tried and true Orijen six fish along with my 5 month old GSD puppy, they still get some raw in the evenings as well. He’s no longer chewing himself up and having a lot of ear gunk build up and both their coats look fantastic! We will eventually go back to raw but in the meantime I’ve always been impressed by the results we get from this food.

  • Crazy4dogs

    Please stop spamming this site.

  • Crazy4dogs

    That’s awesome! Glad your dog is doing well! 🙂

  • susie

    My chihuahua is 11 yrs old and diabetic, I have been feeding her senior Orijen and she is doing great. Her sugar level is always good no going up or down as a matter of fact we have cut back on the units per day. I wouldn’t feed my dog nothing else, did a lot of research and used several good dog foods but this is it period very happy with it and she loves the flavor.

  • can

    İf you looking for orijen dog food in Turkey you can find on (quick link)https://www.petmamashop.com/orijen-kopek-mamasi

  • sasha

    We have a dogo at home and she is 80# full grown. We feed her the Orijen as well. Definitely look at the feeding guideline and go up a bit. Adjust each time she outgrows a weight range. If she still seems hungry you can feed her more! Just be careful ( our dogo will eat and eat and eat and get obese if we let her).

  • bohicasis

    i dust DE powder (food grade) in ALL OF MY CABINETS containing ANY food. I also dust the inside of the bag(just in case) . I purchase from Chewy. Since DE powder is food grade, we all consume it. no critters found in any of my cabinets since

  • bohicasis

    i noted that e90 added the enzymes and i am wondering why my canine has the runs..really bad on e90. i wondered if it was the enzymes but i think now. i switched from orijens to e90 and it has been a disaster. back to orijens (these only supplement his raw diet when we are on the road part time. and yes, i did this gradually with e90. then again, on a long running ferret board, they are also having the same issue with e90 (horrid runs) and a few cats who had the same issues where it became life threatening) I am wondering what the big change is in their formulation

  • KludgeGrrl

    Our dog has been eating Origen, along with occasional supplementation of chicken carcasses, since we got her about two years ago. She was a rescue and the change in her coat, which had been dull and thin, was phenomenal. We’ve been very happy with the food… until about a month ago.

    I thought to treat her to the Origen Tundra, a treat since it’s more expensive than the other flavours but (hopefully!) provides some variety. What a mistake. She started throwing it up, and then refused to eat it. This from a dog that has only thrown up twice previously despite being an inveterate scavenger who manages to scarf down a wide variety of unsavoury items (frozen poop, bird guano, human vomit among other things) with no apparent ill-effects. Then she refused to even eat it.

    Her appetite for anything else was fine, but she would have nothing to do with the Tundra flavor. After several days of trying to coax her into eating it I gave up and returned to the store. Thankfully they were happy to refund the price (I had the bag and my receipt), I bought a bag of six fish, and everything went back to normal.

    They suggested that the Tundra was not for all dogs as it was very rich, so perhaps that was the problem. Or perhaps my dog has a sensitivity to an ingredient that is not in the six fish or the adult (or the puppy) formulas. I don’t know, but kudos to the pet store that took it back!

  • dh51334

    Cut back on the amount. Why feed pumpkin?

  • GSDgrl82

    Orijen is extremely rich and nutrient dense, I think most of the time people are dealing with soft stool they are just feeding too much. You can feed a lot less of Orijen, so you might try cutting back first and see how that goes. If not then you can try Acana which has less protein. Ironically my GSD with a sensitive stomach does best on Orijen six fish and besides a raw diet it seems to be the kibble that gives him the best stool.

  • Dori

    Definitely. Then would have to tweak again once her dog gains a bit of weight and gets out of the crazy active puppy stage.

  • JJ

    I understand. Yet still she would still fine tune and follow the recommendations found on the opposite side of the bag. Ex: instead of characterizing her dog as not active she would indicate highly active as this would recommend a different portion allowance of kibble.

  • Dori

    JJ, she wants her dog to gain weight so I’m suggesting she feed to the weight she wants her dog to weigh. What ever the optimum weight is for her dog. If she feeds to what she weighs, her dog won’t gain and she’s saying her dog is too thin because of giardia and round worm.

  • Dori

    First figure out what the optimum weight is that you want to achieve with your dog. Then look at the guidelines either on their website or on the individual bag you are going to feed. Look at the amount they tell you, as a guide, to feed for a puppy. That will be what you want to feed your dog for the entire day. That amount will be her daily intake. At 21 weeks you can either feed your dog three times a day or you can go straight to two meals a day. Breakfast and dinner. Remember you want to use the weight guide for what you want your dog to weigh, not what she weighs now.

  • JJ

    On the reverse side of the bag it suggests and lists how much to feed your dog based on current weight and activity level.

  • Brigitte

    I love the ingredients in this food. My 8 mo old boxer was on Innova puppy when I had to abruptly switch him to this as the stores stopped carrying his brand. My plan was to switch him from Innova to Orijen when he got to be an adult so it wasn’t much of a problem. Unfortunately he has not adapted well to this food and only has semi solid stools when his food is mixed with pumpkin. I think it’s too much protein for him. Very unfortunate because I think this is an excellent brand. His coat looks so shiny and healthy. We’re going to try Acana this time around.

  • Brigitte

    I love the ingredients in this food. My 8 mo old boxer was on Innova puppy when I had to abruptly switch him to this as the stores stopped carrying his brand. My plan was to switch him from Innova to Orijen when he got to be an adult so it wasn’t much of a problem. Unfortunately he has not adapted well to this food and only has semi solid stools when his food is mixed with pumpkin. I think it’s too much protein for him. Very unfortunate because I think this is an excellent brand. His coat looks so shiny and healthy. We’re going to try Acana for him this time around.

  • Brigitte Dubuc

    Love this food. My 8 month old boxers coat looks so healthy. Unfortunately it is too much protein for him because he has constant diarrhea :/ going to try switching to Acana

  • JOYCE

    I have fed this to my two dogs since they are puppies and I have never had a problem. Molly is now 11 years old. I switch from red meat to fish every bag.

  • megp

    I feed my dogs 1c in am & 1 c in pm. I have four dogs between 40-55 lbs.

  • bohicasis

    canines are carnivores, not omnivores. They do not produce the enzymes able to digest carbs, etc in their saliva, leaving the entire load on the pancreas. This takes the form of an overworked pancreas, GI issues, etc. Look into adding amino acids or..

  • bohicasis

    Have yo considered adding enzymes to help with your dogs digestion so the full load is not placed on the pancreas? There is only one enzyme produced in a dogs saliva to digest meat…the rest of the burden is on the pancreas. Wysong Epigen90 adds the enzymes required.(don’t know about the rest of the wysong lines)

  • bohicasis

    Read the bag <3 With high quality foods you do not have to feed as much. No concern about bringing dogs weight up_it will come up on its own with health. Really no need to increase. More water is required for higher protein kibbles. Keep that in mind. Were it me, i would feed raw as well as orijens. water , water water…and watch for bloat. be mindful of it and learn how to use a bloat kit (part of having a chesty dog)

  • jpippo4

    Hey guys, I have a 21 week old Dogo Argentino… She’s pretty light for her weight… 41 pounds. She had Giardia and Round worm so I’m trying to get her weight up. She was on Blue Buffalo LG Puppy then my vet recommended Science Diet. After my research I decided to stop listening to vets who get paid to recommend me certain food. So I went with Orijen LG Breed Puppy. I started several days ago and I think it’s a great product but I need help? How much should I be feeding her a day now? Thank you!

  • aimee

    Hi sunshine0808,

    I think each person has their own idea of what is low, moderate or high fat.

    Here is a link to a guide by the nutrition service at Ohio State http://vet.osu.edu/vmc/companion/our-services/nutrition-support-service/diet-manual

    It is on a gram/100 kcal basis which is how nutritionists evaluate foods. I’ll use Orijen as an example. Orijen reports that 41% of the calories come from fat. So of 100 kcals 41 are fat kcals. To convert that to grams fat divide by 8.5 kcals/gram giving you 4.8 grams fat/100 kcals. The chart reports a high fat diet as one at > 5 grams/100 kcals.

    If I was using the guaranteed analysis which can be very different from actual fat level I’d start with 18% min fat which means for each 100 grams of food 18 of those grams are fat. Then I’d look at the reported calorie content which for Orijen is 3980kcals/kg.

    Putting that together there are 18 grams of fat in 398 kcals. I’ll divide through by 3.98 leaving me with 4.5 grams fat/100 kcals. Note this is the minimum which is why I used Orijens information on percent calories from fat.

    For low fat Ohio state considers anything less that 17% fat calories low fat.. this would be equivalent to about 6.5%-7% fat for a dry food but that really depends on moisture content and fiber content of the food

    So as a rough estimate on a % basis for a dry food anything below ~7% would be low fat and above ~18.5% as high fat.

    For pancreatitis any type of fat is a potential problem. I will say that there will be some people who post here who may disagree with that, but I’ve not seen that the veterinary experts in this area of medicine ever make a distinction between types of fat.

    I’ve used various lower fat diets and have had my dog start to flake and get a dull coat….but I’ve also had that happen to her on moderate fat diets too. She currently is on a ~8% fat diet and her coat is gleaming!

  • Crazy4dogs

    I generally feed my dogs foods that contain about 18% fat (Orijen’s level) and even higher when feeding raw and have not had any issues. If you are concerned you could look at Nature’s Variety Instinct Healthy Weight. I often use this in my winter rotation when my dog’s are less active.

    Although pancreatitis is generally caused by a dietary indiscretion of the very fatty nature, some dogs can have a genetic predisposition. I would probably do a blood panel and see what the numbers are. I also do them yearly on all my dogs.

  • Pitlove

    Hi- Glad you found something that could work for you.

    I am confused about the calorie numbers you have though. If you look at Orijen Adult it reads 478 kcals/cup and Taste of the Wild High Prairie reads 370 kcals/cup. Huge difference.

  • Dawn Mamaofmyaandmeeko

    ToTW is at 19 and Orijen is at 20 for calories. It’s not a huge difference but I have decided in doing some research, I am going to try Wild Calling dry. It’s less carbs and higher protein but I don’t want to throw their systems out of wack so I am hoping it will work for us. Thanks for the help!

  • sunshine0808

    Aimee,
    Thanks for your reply. I am struggling to understand what fat levels constitute LOW, AVERAGE, HIGH. Any thoughts on this? I know that it is recommended for dogs that have had pancreatitis to be on a diet with less than 10% fat. However, my dogs have not had any problems that I am aware of (I will be confirming this with blood testing). So maybe they don’t need to go quite to low? I’m concerned that drastically reducing the fat level in their diet will result in dull, dry coats, lack of energy, and other issues. I know in humans, some fats are considered good fats (example avocado), and there is essentially no limit to what a human should consume of these fats. On the other hand, some fats are bad and should be avoided or only consumed in small amounts. Is the same true for dogs? I know that Orijen contains high quality ingredients, thus is the higher fat level attributable to “good” fats, and I shouldn’t worry? Or does pancreatitis ignore good/bad fats and ALL fat is a problem? As you can see, I’m losing sleep over this!

  • sunshine0808

    Crazy4dogs,
    Thanks for your reply. I have not had blood panels done. The thought that the fat level in this food may be too high for a schnauzer just occurred to me. I plan to have blood panels done ASAP. Good suggestion.

  • Julia

    Thank you

  • Pitlove

    If you are concerned about weight gain and are switching to Orijen, feed Orijen very carefully as it is much higher in calories than ToTW. You will not be feeding as much, but you can overfeed Orijen and cause weight gain regardness of the carbs.

  • Dawn Mamaofmyaandmeeko

    Cute babies!

  • Dawn Mamaofmyaandmeeko

    ToTW is high in carbs so it would help with weight gain but may I ask how much does your dog weigh now? I have 2 Siberian huskies who I now have to switch off of ToTW because of the carb intake. My female does not need more carbs and Orijen is at 30% where ToTW is at 42% carbs.

  • Crazy4dogs

    Have you had blood panels done on your dog to get a baseline?

  • aimee

    I’d consider the fat content of Orijen to be on the cusp of what I’d call a high fat diet and personally if I had a schnauzer would probably feed a lower fat food.

    I’m admittedly biased though as I nearly lost a dog to pancreatitis after eating a single meal of a food of fat content similar to Orijen. (She did have a intolerance to dietary fat and got into the cat’s food.)

    But is it too high for your dog ?? I think that is a hard question to answer. You could ask your vet if he/she thinks measuring your dog’s triglyceride levels both before and after eating to get a crude idea on how your dog is responding to the fat content of this food would be of any value.

  • sunshine0808

    Hi, I have been feeding my miniature schnauzer Orijen (the blue bag) for about a year now. His coat is shiny, his stools are great, everything seems good and he enjoys the food. My question is, since miniature schnauzers are prone to pancreatitis, is Orijen okay? Or is it too high in fat? I love the quality of the ingredients and the fact that its all “real food,” but I would hate to find out that I’ve been feeding something inappropriate for my breed. Any help or advice is appreciated.

  • Crazy4cats

    Which ever one works the best for your dog is the best fit. Do you know what your dog is sensitive to? I prefer to use budget friendly kibble in order to be able to afford to add more nutritious fresh toppers to my dogs’ meals. I add canned, fresh or raw to all their meals. This philosophy may help with your dog’s weight and immune problems.
    Please report back on what you decide and how it works out. Good luck!

  • Pitlove

    I use Fromm and my pitbull does excellent on it. it might be a better fit for your dog if his stomach is sensitive.

  • el doctor

    Hi Allison, welcome to DFA

    Orijen is an excellent kibble. It is a much higher quality food than either Fromm or Taste of the Wild IMHO.

    Each dog is different so there is no way of knowing if Orijen is a good fit for YOUR dog until you try it. Orijen also comes in several formulas which are all worth a try.

    Transition slowly or a week or two and Good Luck!

  • Allison Sulouff

    Hi! I have a 1.5 year old husky (currently on Blue Buffalo) who tends to have a sensitive stomach and immune problems. He is also on the skinny side and could do with some weight gain. Do you think Orijen is a good fit? I’ve also heard great things about Fromm and Taste of the Wild.

  • Julia

    Gastrointestinal (GI) disorders and diseases affect a dog’s stomach and intestines, resulting in pain and other problems.
    Some symptoms of a GI disorder are:
    Vomiting
    Regurgitation
    Flatulence
    Weakness
    Diarrhea/Constipation

    There are different types of Gastrointestinal disorders like:
    Colitis
    Constipation
    Diarrhea
    Gastroenteritis
    Pancreatitis
    (some of these can be caused by a food allergy)

    A dog’s food can have a significant impact on his GI tract health. Veterinarians recommend feeding dogs a food that is highly digestible to help prevent irritation to sensitive stomachs and intestines. Also, high-soluble and insoluble fiber foods combined with moderate fat levels in your dog’s food help support proper intestinal function. Because several of these conditions may be ongoing, long-term nutritional management of the disorder may be required.

    Also his was vet diagnosed with Gastrointestinal Disease. He had been having soft stool for a couple days and then one day he had really runny stool and blood should up in it and he didn’t want to eat any of his food prior (I was giving him plain rice with sweet potato and vegetable broth) . We brought him right to our vet and he took some tests and gave us some medication, special food and the next day told us the results.

  • Pitlove

    Ya that is interesting. Does he just have a food intolerance or is it IBS? What exactly is his GI Disease?

  • Julia

    Yeah he is the type that can’t have any type of poultry. When we found out about his Gastrointestinal Disease he was originally eating Acana Chicken and Burbank Potato. Then the vet made him switch over to a medi-cal for Gastrointestinal Disease and we tried him on different foods all separate with a lot of space in between so he would have time for his bowls to calm down and relax. He is normally sensitive to any poultry. That’s why I was surprised when was doing so well on it.

    Thank you, oh that’s sad to hear.
    Ha ha ha that’s to funny.

  • Pitlove

    “The one thing I was a little shocked about was when reading the ranch lands ingredients it says there is egg. But my one guy with the GI issues and allergy, it didn’t seem to bother him at all! Which I’m happy about (I think it hasn’t bother him cause it is farther down the ingredient list, there probably isn’t a lot in there, like a lot of other dog foods).”

    A lot of people (and nutritionists) have noted that some dogs with chicken intolerances/allergies are able to eat eggs and chicken fat, but not the actual muscle meat itself. Some dogs however, the allergy is so intense that they can’t have any form of chicken or poultry.

    your dogs are beautiful. I hope they continue to do well on this food.

    PS. Love the name Hugo. That was my beloved cats name who just passed away last year. Oh and wouldn’t you know it, my Betta fish is named Monty. lol!

  • Julia

    Thank you.

  • Crazy4cats

    What a great picture! Hope you have continued success with this food!

  • Julia

    I originally had my dogs eating Natural Balance L.I.D. Mainly because my one guy has Gastrointestinal Disease and an allergy to any form of fowl (chicken, duck, chicken fat, egg, etc..)and I wanted to get him off of the medi-cal that was prescribed to him from the vet. I was hesitating on switching him over many because of that reason but when we decided to do so we switched him very slowly. I’m so happy so say that all 3 of my dogs are now eating this food and have been doing so for about 2 and a half months now with no issues.

    The one thing I was a little shocked about was when reading the ranch lands ingredients it says there is egg. But my one guy with the GI issues and allergy, it didn’t seem to bother him at all! Which I’m happy about (I think it hasn’t bother him cause it is farther down the ingredient list, there probably isn’t a lot in there, like a lot of other dog foods).

    I have also seen a change in their coat. It is ALOT shinner, softer, and even after them rolling around in grass almost every day and going on hikes at least once a week they still feel very clean.

    I’m just so happy with this food and happy my dogs are doing so good on it.

    Monty: 2 years old, 50lbs, Gastrointestinal Disease and allergy to fowl.

    Hugo: 3 years old, 52lbs. Was over weight (63lbs -> 52lbs now)

    Bear: 12 years old, 20lbs.(not is picture)

  • Nichole Lay

    I work in a pet store and those moths are from the store, trust me. They’re very common and are attracted to dog food and treats in particular. They’re the bane of my existence.

  • Javiar

    I don’t mean to be THAT guy, but you can’t really blame them for not accepting your request. If the bag is over $100, they probably get a lot of scammers trying to get free product so they prob set standards for who gets reimbursed.

    Did your DH (lol) keep the receipt at least? For something over $100 and over 500 miles away, you/he must have kept the receipt.

    $10 is generious if you ask me. Though id prob be as upset as you if it was me but still.

  • Tammy

    Lol!! I will leave it at dear husband since he did catch the bugs and didn’t feed them to the dogs! Throwing it away, that was not the smartest thing to do. Trust me, he has his “dumb” moments but most of us do.

  • Tammy

    Thanks for letting me know it was not just me with the problem! I am sorry it happened though, it is a great food but too expensive to just throw away.

  • Kelly

    Same thing happened to us with a bag of their cat food. But it was about half empty when we saw them, they were all in the lower half of the bag otherwise i would have seen them squirming as i dished the kibble out, they were not that small. i didn’t take it back to the store as the bag was half empty, i figured i would let it go, and i know they did not come from my house as we store the bags in our bedroom closet and we do not have larvae in our closet plus none of the other opened bags had bugs. I decided not to give up and glad to say no bug infested bags after that. Knock wood. But i hated throwing that half bag out, the stuff is expensive. If i see it again, back to the store and i will stop buying it if thy don’t give us a replacement bag.

  • Roberta Liford

    What’s or who is your DH? Dear Husband? Dumb husband?

  • Jeff Putterman

    Orijen is no doubt the best dog food available. First, it’s made in Canada, where people do not sell themselves for money like our whore politicians, doctors, etc. Second, after I switched my dog from Wellness to Orijen, his entire body and coat sparkled.

  • Mackenzie

    I used to use Blue Buffalo for my dog because it’s always advertised as “natural” and “whole ingredients”. Ended up switching to Orijen because the quality was so much better. I feel like my dogs are healthier than ever and they go crazy at breakfast and dinner time because they’re so excited for their Orijen, which they never did with Blue Buffalo.

  • Pam c

    Personally, I had a positive experience with Orijen’s customer service. Although I will say I think their customer service is not as quick as Earthborn Holistic or Farmina.

  • Tammy

    Thank you Pitlove! I don’t disagree with anything you said. Had we still been in the area I would have taken the bag from the garbage myself, back to the store. I store kibble in the original bag, in an airtight container while feeding and keep the important info for a good while afterwards in the event of recalls as well. I figured letting the company know even though it was later was worth a shot. I was really turned off by the way I was treated. I am going to do my best to move on and hope this will not stop me from keeping this food in my rotation. My first reaction was to never buy their products again but I have never had an issue before and normally buy their food locally. My 2 do great on it and I really believe it was a storage, possible bag damage issue. Perhaps the CS rep I spoke to was just having a bad day, for their sake I hope so and I hope it does not happen to anyone else.

    Thanks again!

  • aimee

    Are you suggesting I ambushed a pet expo?? I have no idea how you’d come away from my post thinking that.

    The situations were similar in that the OP and I each had purchased product which had defects likely related to storage issues. Neither of us had the product or receipt of purchase or pictures of the problem or anything except our word.

  • aimee

    I have to say I’m confused. What is it that you think I did at the expo?

    I never went into detail as to what I did and your use the word “ambush” when you wrote:”Are you suggesting Tammy (and everyone with an issue with a pet food product) ambush a pet expo??” is puzzling.The word ambush implies I “attacked” the company.

    I don’t find the details of the exchange relevant which is why i didn’t include them but it seems you do. What was relevant was that the company stood behind their product even though I had no proof of purchase and that the cause of the defect may have been storage related. Similar scenario as the OP

    It was the last day of the expo and near closing. The hall was sparsely populated and I was walking past the company’s booth when the rep approached me while I was in the aisle and asked ” Are you familiar with our product?” and handed me a brochure.

    I said I was and that I had been using it but stopped because I repeatedly had gotten product which was freezer burned. She was very concerned and asked if I remembered which store I bought it from. I told her where I purchased it and she then asked if I would follow her back into the booth so she could get pen and paper to write it down. I followed her back to her booth. She then said that she was going to contact the rep for that store to ensure the staff at the store was properly trained in handling their company’s product. She than asked for my address as she said she would like to send me a coupon for free product so I could give her company another chance. I gave her my address.

    There was an exhibitor in each of the booths on either side of hers taking down their booths but other than that no one else was really around or within ear shot. About 2 weeks later I received 4 coupons in the mail each one for a bag of free product.

    There was no drama and no ambush unless you consider the rep approaching me as an ambush LOL

  • Pitlove

    They state on their site they are sourced in the USA. That is also what the rep who we deal with at work told us during the seminar.

  • Pitlove

    Hi Tammy- Sorry to hear you had this issue. I work for a small family owned pet store that carries both Orijen and Acana. We have not had any issues like that with our foods from Champion thankfully.

    The others explained it pretty well, but what I will tell you is that even if you had been able to get back to the store that you bought it from, they could not take it back without the bag and the food. With a lot of the foods we sell Orijen included, we actually have to return the food to the distributor (our distributor in this case is a company called Bark to Basics) with a detailed note as to why it was returned.

    I also agree with everyones opinions of the way Champion handled it. It might not be ideal, but without a lot # they don’t have much recourse. Tundra is expensive to make for them, so just giving money back on such an expensive food without knowing what happened would cost them a lot of money.

    In the future, I would keep all your bags until you’ve used up the food. Thats what I do. I do it incase of a recall, even though I feed Fromm which has never had one, but also for these reasons, in case I were to get a bad bag.

    Hopefully you aren’t too turned off to discontinue feeding Orijen. It’s a very good food and this is honestly the first I’ve heard of any problem like this, so maybe it was a shipping issue or a storage issue on the retailers end.

  • Crazy4dogs

    Haha Tammy! Mine would definitely eating PB&J too! 😉

    I would mention it to your local store’s reps. Couldn’t hurt!

  • Storm’s Mom

    Hi Tammy, didn’t mean at all to imply that you would 🙂 Was just asking aimee if she’d recommend everyone else do what she did at that expo, given the chance.

    Enjoy your holiday weekend, too!

  • Tammy

    Oh gosh, I would not make a scene if that is what you mean, lol! I did not think Aimee was suggesting I do what she did, just relaying her own experience. I wouldn’t mind speaking to one of their reps, one on one, at the feed store I normally shop at. The store keeps records of the products you purchase, it would be easy to show it is a food I routinely purchase. Not because I expect anything at this point, just to hear their perspective.

    I am fortunate that I can afford this costly mistake even if it does sting. My dogs are my world and when I say they often eat better than I do it is pretty much the truth, lol! I told my DH when it happened he was eating pb&j for the next 2 weeks!

    Thank you everyone for your opinions and experiences. I am very grateful for your input. Enjoy your holiday weekend!

  • Storm’s Mom

    Yeah, at a “limited admission pet expo” with lots of potentially fairly influential people milling about within earshot of any problem that may be voiced about a product, the level of service you’d get would probably (have to) be pretty darn good regardless of whether or not you had proof. Not sure what that has to do with this situation? Are you suggesting Tammy (and everyone with an issue with a pet food product) ambush a pet expo??

  • aimee

    Hi Tammy,

    In the only experience I have ever had with a food, I had no proof of the problem. Repeated purchases of raw food had freezer burn. The first bag I just chalked it up to chance but then the next bag was the same. The store I purchased it from just said ‘Well no one else has complained”

    The company asked where I purchased it and then gave me 4 coupons, each for a free 6 lb bag of frozen product.

    I may have gotten such good service because I was at a limited admission pet expo.

  • Crazy4cats

    Yes, the whole situation stinks. I would have been upset too. That is a lot of money down the drain. After understanding the situation better, I agree that maybe they could have done more for you since you would have had so far to drive to return it. Too bad there are so many people that do try to abuse return policies making it harder for honest people to be treated fairly. Good luck to you!

  • Tammy

    I didn’t even bother calling them after the fiasco with Orijen customer service, lol! Definitely an expensive lesson learned!

  • Tammy

    That would have been a great option if it was possible. If you read the other replies above they will explain why it was not. Thanks for your input though!

  • Tammy

    Nope, it happened upon opening the bag for the first time.

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