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June 18, 2013 at 8:10 pm #19683
In reply to: Large and Giant Breed Puppy Nutrition
Sully’sMom
MemberWow, just looked up Earthborn and it looks darn near perfect! 5 stars on DFA, good ingredients and, as you said, a good price. And, I assume since my large breed puppy will be over 12 mos when I transition, no need to even ask about the calcium?
Thanks for pointing me in a direction I’d not have known about! We have a coupon for a free bag of Fromm, so we’ll get that and then transition…
June 18, 2013 at 7:57 pm #19682In reply to: Large and Giant Breed Puppy Nutrition
Sully’sMom
MemberThank you! I’ve been thinking about Merrick for awhile. I’ve never heard of the other two, but will look into them. TOTW, I’d had the same thinking just today….
June 18, 2013 at 7:55 pm #19681In reply to: Large and Giant Breed Puppy Nutrition
Hound Dog Mom
ParticipantI wouldn’t feed Taste of the Wild due to the fact that it’s manufactured by Diamond. I think Merrick is a good food. Two other grain-free foods that are really high quality and wallet friendly (under $50 for the large bag) are Earthborn and Victor. These are two foods that don’t sacrifice meat content for price. NutriSource Grain-Free and 4Health Grain-Free are two other reasonably priced options although their protein content (and thus) is a little lower – these two are similar in quality to the Fromm Grain-Free line but they are priced accordingly (I believe the 4Health is around $36 for a 30 lb. bag and NutriSource is around $50 for a 30 lb. bag).
June 18, 2013 at 7:43 pm #19680In reply to: Large and Giant Breed Puppy Nutrition
Sully’sMom
MemberThank you for clarifying! As I said, we’ve been feeding him the Gold Lrg Breed but, as he turns 1 soon, and I’ve been wanting to get him off grains (mainly due to the rice/arsenic issue), I was thinking about turning to the Fromm Grain – Free, however I’ve found two that seem more wallet-friendly. Do you have an opinion on the Merrick grain-free lines and/or Taste of the Wild? Or any other suggestions?
June 18, 2013 at 7:22 pm #19678In reply to: Large and Giant Breed Puppy Nutrition
Hound Dog Mom
ParticipantI wouldn’t say I’m down on Fromm exactly. I think Fromm is a very reputable company and they make decent food. I just don’t think they produce a product that is worthy of 5 stars. It’s mainly their grain-free line I take issue with. Most of their grain-free foods have less than 30% protein and are loaded with plant-based protein boosters and they cost nearly $70 for a 26 lb. bag. Never would I pay that kind of money for a food that low in protein and with a good chunk of the protein coming from peas.
June 18, 2013 at 7:09 pm #19677In reply to: Large and Giant Breed Puppy Nutrition
Sully’sMom
MemberMay I ask why you’re so down on Fromm? It’s family owned, produced in its’ own facility, hasn’t had and recent recalls that I could find, quality ingredients….
I’ve been feeding my puppy Gold Star Large Breed so am quite curious if there’s something you don’t like about it…?Appreciate any additional info..
June 18, 2013 at 6:52 pm #19676In reply to: Large and Giant Breed Puppy Nutrition
Hound Dog Mom
ParticipantHi yevincent –
I realize Fromm is rated 4 stars. Fromm was just recently downgraded to 4 stars (thank god – I could never understand why that food was rated 5 stars!) but at the time I made the list the entire line was rated 5 stars. I have not yet had a chance to go in and change it. Within the next month I plan on updating this list and also making a list of grain-inclusive foods. I’m just strapped for time at the moment.
The calculation for the Wellness CORE was based on the actual calcium level sent to me by the company. I emailed them and asked for the average calcium level in the Wellness CORE Puppy Food based on their product analysis results.
I have the email saved and this was their response to me:
Dear Lydia,
Thank you for taking the time to write about Wellness CORE Puppy dry dog food.
This formula contains approximately 1.23% calcium.
Thanks again for contacting us.
Alyssa Martin
Representative
Consumer Affairs000299852A
You’re basing your calculation on the max listed on their website. Companies will often list minimums and maximums that are quite a bit higher or lower than the actual amount in the food to allow for a margin of error. I chose to make the list based on average levels rather than maximums or minimums.
June 18, 2013 at 6:47 pm #19674In reply to: Large and Giant Breed Puppy Nutrition
InkedMarie
MemberStar right, since your dog had HD, getting any extra weight off her is very important. Help her lose the weight and get her a joint supplement (the one I mentioned wa recommended by HDM)
June 18, 2013 at 6:16 pm #19672In reply to: Large and Giant Breed Puppy Nutrition
Saireah
MemberStarbright:
My Quinn (lab/vizsla) was diagnosed with hip dysplasia at 1 year old. I switched her food to grain-free after discovering that, along with a higher protein. She needed to build muscle as she was favoring one side. She has hip dysplasia in both hips.
In terms of supplements, I can tell you what we’ve done that has made a phenomenal difference. She just turned two and there’s no way in the world I’d have thought she would be at this point. We were pretty certain she was going to need surgery (her range of motion was OK — but we just thought surgery would be more immediate than in the distant future).
As HDM suggests, a great diet with anti-inflammatory supplements was suggested to us by Iowa State University. Since being recommended, we’ve had her on Nutramax Cosequin DS Double-Strength Chewable Tablets. According to Iowa State, this is the only brand to be clinically proven. You will give her two a day for a month and one a day from then on (directions are on the bottle). Coupled with this, we also immediately started her on one tablet of fish oil per day — 1,000MG (but you may have to feed less/more — consult vet).
The diet change and supplements helped, but targeted exercise has made the difference, as well. Take your dog swimming. If she doesn’t like to swim, teach her to love it by way of rewards/playing. Swimming is the best for joint issues. Other options provided to us were walking in tall grass (makes her lift her legs all the way as opposed to close together/hopping), walking on a blown up air mattress (good for winter exercise), and frequent walks (as opposed to a long walk — more frequent is better).
Also — obviously weight. She’s a slim 43 pounds at the moment, but she did get to 50 pounds in the winter and my vet noticed it. Slim is always, always better — and I’ve had people say she’s too thin (mostly because I don’t think most people are accustomed to seeing healthy dogs — harsh, but true… I think a lot of dogs are overweight).
If you have any questions, let me know. I really enjoy talking about this subject because I couldn’t find enough information when this happened to us. It’s our personal experience, but Quinn is now running full-speed and playing for hours and hours daily. A definite turnaround.
Good luck. 🙂
June 18, 2013 at 6:01 pm #19670In reply to: Large and Giant Breed Puppy Nutrition
yevincent
ParticipantI want to point out that in the list you posted before, you said the Fromm Four Star Nutritionals grain-free is 5 star food. I read the review today, it said Fromm Four Star Nutritionals just earns 4 star (except one). Maybe you made a mistake in the list.
And the Wellness Core: Puppy has over 3.5g/1000 kcal calcium based on my calculation:
Calcium is 1.50%, 3,792 kcal per kilogram,
so I got 3.95g/1000 kcal.
You may want to double check them…June 18, 2013 at 4:34 pm #19666In reply to: Large and Giant Breed Puppy Nutrition
Hound Dog Mom
ParticipantDefinitely – a quality 4 or 5 star food with supplements would be the way to go. I’d personally go grain-free if possible as grains are inflammatory. I don’t really have any particular favorites – when I fed kibble I switched brands after every bag. Good luck!
June 18, 2013 at 3:18 pm #19657In reply to: Large and Giant Breed Puppy Nutrition
starbright26
ParticipantThanks for clarifying that for me.. It looks like we’re in for a long road, but thankfully she isnt showing major symptoms yet.. Perhaps we’ll consider surgery. Until then basically any of the recommended 4star foods would work well in conjunction with the suppliments, correct? Any personal favorites I should check into?
June 18, 2013 at 2:56 pm #19653In reply to: Large and Giant Breed Puppy Nutrition
Hound Dog Mom
ParticipantHi starbright –
Unfortunately if your dog has hip dysplasia she has hip dysplasia. Hip dysplasia is a chronic degenerative condition and is not reversible. The condition will progress as she ages, although its difficult to predict the extend to which it will affect her as many factors are at play (degree of pain tolerance, size and weight of the dog, etc.). For some dogs hip dysplasia is crippling and for others it may never cause more than a mild stiffness with age. Anti-inflammatory supplements (tart cherry, omega 3’s, boswellia, turmeric, etc.) will certainly help manage pain and supplements such as glucosamine/chondroitin/MSM/hylaluronic acid (or whole foods containing these items) may help slow the joint deterioration to a certain degree – but they certainly won’t stop it. It will also be critical to keep her lean and active (low impact activities). Being that she’s over a year old calcium levels won’t affect anything at this point.
June 18, 2013 at 2:45 pm #19649In reply to: Large and Giant Breed Puppy Nutrition
starbright26
ParticipantThanks for the reply.. I appreciate the advice on suppliments but I really dont thing her losing weight is my main concern.. I’m looking more for giudance on a longterm food to feed her that would benefit her joints and help cease the progression of the hip dysplasia if possible. Has anyone else been down this road before? Are suppliments more important or does the food made a larger impact.. Is grain free best for this situation? Being that she is over a year now, do the calcium levels still play a role? Sorry, Ive just been researching and reading all these posts which is only confusing me further.. Please help if you can… Thanks 🙂
June 18, 2013 at 2:33 pm #19643In reply to: Large and Giant Breed Puppy Nutrition
Hound Dog Mom
ParticipantHi dhayes –
An “all life stages” food is essentially the same thing as a “puppy” food. The AAFCO only recognizes 2 nutrient profiles: growth and adult maintenance. If a food meets the more stringent requirements for growth the company can choose to label the food as “all life stages” or “growth.” Canidae ALS and all of the Taste of the Wild foods are appropriate for all life stages. I wouldn’t really consider a Basset to be a large breed (the concern is generally for dogs that will be over 60 lbs. at maturity, although Bassets are somewhat prone to hip dysplasia so it may have been a good idea to have controlled calcium levels) and at 8 months of age the critical growth phase has passed regardless so calcium levels shouldn’t be a concern at this point. I’m not sure about the calcium levels in Canidae ALS but I do know the calcium levels are high in all of the TOTW formulas. I would say any quality all life stages formula would make a good choice at this point.
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June 18, 2013 at 2:25 pm #19642In reply to: Large and Giant Breed Puppy Nutrition
Pickles Mom
ParticipantHi Hound Dog Mom,
I am very happy to discover this thread! I have a 13 month basset hound puppy who is currently 50 lbs. His breeder was feeding him Canidae Life Stages when we brought home our puppy at 8 weeks and stayed on the same food until he was about 8 months old. We switched to a grain free Canidae brand, and then to Taste of the Wild grain-free “Pacific Stream” because of his itchiness.
After reading many of the posts I am concerned that 1) he was never eating puppy food; 2) the calcium level is too high in the foods we have been giving him; and 3) he was switched to adult food too early. I would really appreciate hearing your thoughts about what do to. I am considering changing his food to one of the brands on your list; however, I do not know if he should be eating large breed puppy food or large breed adult food (and the food needs to be grain-free and chicken free). We love our hound and want what is best for him. Thank you in advance for your advice 🙂June 18, 2013 at 2:17 pm #19641In reply to: Large and Giant Breed Puppy Nutrition
Hound Dog Mom
ParticipantHi cinner00 –
Innova Large Breed Puppy formula would be appropriate, however in light of today’s recall I don’t think that will be an option for awhile. Solid Gold WolfCub is too high in calcium and it is also one of the Solid Gold formulas manufactured by Diamond (If you aren’t familiar – Diamond is a very untrustworthy manufacturer with frequent recalls. WolfCub, WolfKing, Just A Wee Bit and Hund-n-Flocken are manufactured by Diamond.) The Wellness Super5Mix Large Breed formula is a bit high in calcium as well (~4 g./1,000 kcal.) for me to feed comfortable recommending however it’s probably the best choice out of the three you listed. Wellness’ CORE Puppy formula does have appropriate calcium levels, I believe, if you would be able to feed that.
June 18, 2013 at 10:51 am #19600In reply to: Large and Giant Breed Puppy Nutrition
InkedMarie
MemberStarbright,
Thank you for adopting your girl. I hope she continues to blossom. My go-to food when a dog needs to lose weight is Wellness Core reduced fat, feeding her the amount of food for what she *should* weigh. A good joint supplement is needed; I use Joint Mobility plus from Swanson Vitamins. It’s human, fine for dogs. Also, salmon oil. I prefer just salmon oil, nothing else; I get mine from Vital Choice,Good luck!
June 18, 2013 at 9:50 am #19598In reply to: Large and Giant Breed Puppy Nutrition
EHubbman
ParticipantThank you so much, HDM! Great info. 🙂
He’s on TOTW puppy currently but not liking it, so I think I’ll be switching him to Fromm 4 Star soon. 🙂June 18, 2013 at 9:46 am #19597In reply to: Large and Giant Breed Puppy Nutrition
starbright26
ParticipantHi, I am new to this site but am loving all the information I have found so far! However, I believe I’m overloading myself with info and its all running together, confusing the heck out of me! So I would love to just give a little information and get a little in return if possible.. We recently adopted a young feral pup and have been working to socialize/rehabilitate her. She is a “lethal white” (I despise that term) Catahoula mix- who is deaf and partially blind as well… We were this sweet girl’s last chance at adoption and I am so grateful we found her because she is blossoming in our household! Anyway, at about ten months of age, when we adopted her, she tore her ACL and was recovering from that when we noticed her limping getting worse despite strict confinement. We took her for X-rays and the vet diagnosed her with severe hip dysplasia in one of her hips. Sigh.. I could not make this up if I tried.. Luckily the other hip joint looks amazingly healthy! We have no idea about her past and as she seems to be somewhat of a genetic anomaly, we just want to do whatever we can to help her have a healthy, happy, hopefully long life! This girl deserves it. She is a healthy 70lbs, but we are trying to slim her down slightly. She is curently on Blue Buffalo now, but my question is if there is a better quality food that would be better suited to her joint needs or if supplimentation would suffice. I just read the calcium levels are most important earlier on and now that she is about 15 months old am I correct to assume that it is not the main concern anymore? Should we go grain-free to help with inflamation? Suppliments? What is my ideal path here? Please advise anyway you can.. I should mention we have several other animals and actual children, with another on the way, and will hopefully send them to college one day so we are certainly on a limited budget 🙂 THANK YOU!!!
RebeccaJune 18, 2013 at 7:53 am #19593In reply to: Bernese Mt/Lab/Sheperd Mix Pup
cinner00
MemberI have narrowed down the food to 3 based on availability and pricing for our needs. The following are the ones I’m looking at. The appear on the 4 star food list and also a top 10 list. I was wondering if anyone has a strong opinion or experience to help me narrow done my list for my large breed pup.
Innova Large Breed Puppy Dry Dog Food
Wellness Super5Mix Large Breed Puppy Health Puppy Food
Solid Gold Wolf Cub Large Breed Puppy Dog FoodJune 18, 2013 at 7:52 am #19592In reply to: Large and Giant Breed Puppy Nutrition
cinner00
MemberI have narrowed down the food to 3 based on availability and pricing for our needs. The following are the ones I’m looking at. The appear on the 4 star food list and also a top 10 list. I was wondering if anyone has a strong opinion or experience to help me narrow done my list for my large breed pup.
Innova Large Breed Puppy Dry Dog Food
Wellness Super5Mix Large Breed Puppy Health Puppy Food
Solid Gold Wolf Cub Large Breed Puppy Dog FoodJune 18, 2013 at 7:18 am #19588In reply to: Large and Giant Breed Puppy Nutrition
Hound Dog Mom
ParticipantHi EHubbman –
Yes the calcium to phosphorus ratio is very important for all dogs and should be no less than 1:1 and no more than 2:1, with around 1.2:1 being considered ideal. However when it comes to large and giant breed puppies, the overall amount of calcium consumed is still very important. Even if a food had an appropriate ratio but the calcium levels were very high – say 2.2% calcium and 2% phosphorus (1.1:1) – I wouldn’t feel comfortable feeding the food to a large or giant breed puppy. All three of my dogs eat a raw diet and my most recent pup (now 11 months old) was weaned onto raw at 8 weeks old. To keep the calcium levels controlled while still keeping the calcium to phosphorus ratio balanced, fed her green tripe for around 25% of her diet. Green tripe has a naturally balanced calcium to phosphorus ratio (roughly 1:1) but has very low levels of each mineral (only about 0.3%).
June 17, 2013 at 11:26 pm #19584Angie
ParticipantHello,
I am looking for advice for my friend’s dog. He has a one and a half year old male German Sheppard name Ranger. Ranger was on Acana Large Puppy Breed when he was younger then moved on Acana Large Breed Adult. My friend noticed Rangers breath was really bad so when he went in for his yearly exam so the vet did a urine test. They found that Ranger has Triple phosphates and 10-50 HPF.
I am not sure what that means but they moved him to Canadia dog food with cranberry juice in his water. He has been on Canidae dog food for the past 10 days and there is no improvement on his breath. He went in to get a B12 test and he was advised to wait 30 days to do a test for Phosphate levels.
Any advice on supplements, food or course of action would be really appreciated.
Thank you in advance.
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June 17, 2013 at 8:39 pm #19579In reply to: Large and Giant Breed Puppy Nutrition
EHubbman
ParticipantWhat are your thoughts RE Phosphorus x Calcium Levels (as phosphorous is used in Calcium absorption, right?)?
I was looking into foods for my Presa (spanish mastiff, essentially), and a good friend (some vet training, very into the raw diet) noted that while protein isn’t so much of a concern aside from the fact that too much might cause loose stools, said that the Cal/Phos Ratio is what was really important. From my lookings, it seems like 1:1.2-1.4 Cal/Phos is what people aim for in larger breeds.
Your thoughts?
June 17, 2013 at 6:11 pm #19575In reply to: HELP – Best Food for my Large Breed Dogs
marty0203
ParticipantWow, what a wealth of information! Pattyvaughn & InkedMarie, I really appreciate your suggestion of getting the food shipped. The idea of no S&H costs makes the idea much more appealable and opens up my options. Now I have the possibility of integrating Orijen into their dietary routine.
HDM – I had the benefit or viewing both posts – thank you! I appreciate you investing the time and going above and beyond with your post regarding my two pups’ nutritional needs. It appears that they are doing well on the Wellness Core and I will take your suggestion to rotate between a few different brands and adding toppers to their dishes.
Thanks again everyone!
June 17, 2013 at 4:46 pm #19570In reply to: Bernese Mt/Lab/Sheperd Mix Pup
theBCnut
MemberThis is a great place for info and Hound Dog Mom has made a google doc that lists great foods for large and giant breed puppies.
/forums/topic/large-and-giant-breed-puppy-nutrition/
June 17, 2013 at 11:39 am #19559In reply to: Large and Giant Breed Puppy Nutrition
cinner00
MemberAny suggestions on nutrition for my Bernese Mt./Lab/Shepherd mix pup? I just brought home a new pup. I would love to hear recommendations on a high quality large breed puppy food for this little guy to help keep him as healthy as possible. I know there are various health issues with all the breeds and I am looking for advice on food to help nutritionally as much as possible. He has been checked out and is very healthy.
June 17, 2013 at 11:25 am #19558Topic: Bernese Mt/Lab/Sheperd Mix Pup
in forum Diet and Healthcinner00
MemberI just brought home a new pup. I would love to hear recommendations on a high quality large breed puppy food for this little guy to help keep him as healthy as possible. I know there are various health issues with all the breeds and I am looking for advice on food to help nutritionally as much as possible. He has been checked out and is very healthy.
June 16, 2013 at 4:15 pm #19523Topic: Vomiting b/c of kibble? But not when eating raw . . .
in forum Diet and Healthstitchwitch
ParticipantI have a 5.5m old shiloh shepherd. I switched her from the breeder’s food, taste of the wild, to fromm’s large breed puppy – seemingly no problems – she was on it for approx. 2 months. About 3 weeks ago I started feeding her 1 meal a day of raw – which was my plan from the start (and I know not to mix the two in the same meal). Over the past 3 weeks, perhaps a coincidence, she is vomiting frequently – but only after eating the kibble.
The first time she did it, it was a few hours after eating – I thought perhaps she wasn’t feeling good or had had too much excitement. Since then, it has happened a few times a week – usually right after eating the kibble.
If she vomits up her kibble meal (like she did at lunch today) and I give her raw for the meal – no problems.
It is almost as if, once her body experienced the raw, it doesn’t “like” the kibble. Could that be possible? Could it be that the problem is this specific kibble (fromm’s) and I should try another?
I would prefer to keep her on a partial kibble diet, not only because of the cost, but because there will be times she must be boarded and I’m not sure the kennel would be willing to handle a raw diet.
Suggestions? Advice?
June 15, 2013 at 8:56 pm #19508In reply to: Large and Giant Breed Puppy Nutrition
Sully’sMom
MemberOh, so if my pup is 12+ months, the calcium guidelines of under 3.5 per 1000 kcal are less important? That’s helpful!
June 15, 2013 at 8:09 pm #19506In reply to: Large and Giant Breed Puppy Nutrition
Hound Dog Mom
ParticipantHi Betsy –
I do enjoy the great dane lady’s website and think there is some good information on there, however I don’t agree with her feeding advice for puppies. If her aversion to grain-free and raw foods for large breed puppies was based on some sort of factual research or organized feeding trial I would have more respect for it, but it seems to me it’s solely based on the fact that she’s never tried feeding those foods to her puppies?? I’ve had great lucking feeding high protein grain-free foods to my bloodhound puppies, I’ve just kept calcium levels controlled for the first 8 months.
June 15, 2013 at 8:06 pm #19505In reply to: Large and Giant Breed Puppy Nutrition
Hound Dog Mom
ParticipantHi arlenem –
Feeding a food with appropriate calcium levels is most crucial during the first 8 months or so. When puppies are young they can’t regulate their calcium absorption which is why high levels of calcium during the rapid growth phase can cause developmental orthopedic disease in large and giant breed puppies. Around 6 – 8 months puppies gain the ability to regulate calcium absorption. Once a large breed puppy is an adult their nutritional needs are no different than any other dog. I actually would avoid most “large breed adult” foods as they tend to be way too low in protein and loaded with fillers.
June 15, 2013 at 8:03 pm #19504In reply to: Large and Giant Breed Puppy Nutrition
Hound Dog Mom
ParticipantHi Idarlin –
I feel that the ideal diet is grain-free/starch free, high in animal-based protein and low in carbohydrates. This is why I personally feed my dogs a raw diet with free of grains and starches (potatoes, legumes, etc.). When it comes to kibble, a starch in some form or another (be it grains, potato, legumes, tapioca, etc.) is necessary to act as a binder. There are many that feel grain-free foods are superior to grain-inclusive foods because grains aren’t a natural part of the canine diet. However, neither are the starches used in grain-free foods – potato, legumes, tapioca, etc. Due to the fact that starch is a necessary evil when it comes to kibble I think the most important thing is to look for a food high in protein with a relatively large percentage of the protein being derived from animal sources. I think people get too caught up in grain-inclusive vs. grain-free and the industry is really playing into this – there are many new grain-free foods hitting the market that are horrible (low protein, loaded with vegetable based protein, etc. etc.) and people are paying big bucks for these foods just because the bag has the new buzzword “grain-free”. There are great grain-free foods and horrible grain-free foods and there are great grain-inclusive foods and horrible grain-inclusive foods. Concerning Innova Large Breed Puppy, it’s not a bad food by any means but it’s lower in protein than anything I’d use or recommend. It has only 24% protein, I wouldn’t use or recommend a kibble with less than 30% protein. I personally feed my crew protein levels in the 45% – 55% range.
If she’s chewing herself it could definitely be a food intolerance, but it could also be something environmental. Grains and common proteins such as chicken and beef are common causes of intolerances so you could certainly try a grain-free food with a more novel protein and see if things clear up.
June 15, 2013 at 6:28 pm #19503In reply to: Large and Giant Breed Puppy Nutrition
Sully’sMom
MemberI’m confused about something; is the large breed formula only important during the 1st two years of puppy’s life? Since the point of it is controlled growth, wouldn’t it cease to be important after that, meaning ‘do you need large breed adult’?
June 15, 2013 at 6:16 pm #19502In reply to: Large and Giant Breed Puppy Nutrition
DogFoodie
MemberHi ldarlin,
If you like Innova, it looks as though the Prime Grain Free Salmon & Herring may have an acceptable (but bordering on high) Calcium level at 1.49%. That number is from the nutrient analysis on their website.
June 15, 2013 at 6:06 pm #19500In reply to: Large and Giant Breed Puppy Nutrition
DogFoodie
MemberAnd, I should’ve added to my post that I’m NOT in any way meaning to sound as though I’m advocating grains for any dogs.
I was just surprised when I was reading the Great Dane Lady’s website and saw that she had written the quote in my previous post.
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June 15, 2013 at 5:44 pm #19497In reply to: Large and Giant Breed Puppy Nutrition
Anonymous
InactiveHDM, thanks for the response. Is there anything wrong with feeding her a grain dog food like Innova?
Also she is very itchy a lot of the time. She scratches and gnaws on her fur/ skin retry often. Her skin does look a little dry but I’m worried it has something to do with a food allergy. She doesn’t strip her fur or anything but there is a spot on her head where she scratches that she is starting to lose spots of fur. It’s not too bad yet but worries me. Any advice?
June 15, 2013 at 4:37 pm #19493In reply to: Large and Giant Breed Puppy Nutrition
DogFoodie
MemberI would definitely be curious to see what grain inclusive foods you’d recommend, HDM. I still remember being surprised that the Great Dane Lady was strongly opposed to grain free foods for large breed puppies until about 80% of their adult size, due to lack of feeding trials.
Here’s a quote I took from her site:
“I do not recommend as a complete diet for your puppy, any grain free or raw diets, regardless of brand, for large breed growth. Not until they are 8-10 months old or 3/4 of their normal size, just to be on the safe side. No feed trials have been done on large/giant breeds on the grain free or raw diets to date, so I will not recommend them.
We KNOW we can raise them on a quality holistic kibble with a 10% raw component, if you wish, and have no problems, but not a totally raw or grain free diet, please!!”
June 15, 2013 at 11:47 am #19486In reply to: Large and Giant Breed Puppy Nutrition
Hound Dog Mom
ParticipantHi Idarlin –
Innova’s Large Breed Puppy formula has appropriate calcium levels for large and giant breed puppies and would make a good choice for your pup. The reason why it’s not included on this list is because this list is grain-free foods only – when I get some spare time I would like to compile a list of grain-inclusive foods as well.
June 15, 2013 at 10:37 am #19472In reply to: Large and Giant Breed Puppy Nutrition
Anonymous
InactiveHi HDM,
I am new to the site (been reading through everything over the past few days) and had a couple of questions if you don’t mind. I have a 15 week old golden retriever/australian shepherd mix puppy who was 20 lbs as of Monday 6/15. I have been treating her as a large breed dog because I think she will be pretty close to 60 lbs. I too did not know any better and was feeding her Science Diet for Large Breed Puppies based on vet’s recommendation. After reading some things, I am in the process of switching her over to Innova for LBP. I did the math that you mentioned above and the Ca is 2.46. But, I didn’t see it on your list (I just found it today), and wanted to know what you thought of Innova. If you don’t think Innova will be a good choice for her, out of the ones on your list, what do you think may be best? She seems fine on both food shes had so far. She had a little bit of runny stool when I first introduced Innova, but is back to normal now. Thank you so much for your time!June 14, 2013 at 7:04 pm #19463In reply to: Large and Giant Breed Puppy Nutrition
Sully’sMom
MemberWow, that’s a lot to digest (no pun intended). Do you thoughts/info on Merrick Grain Free foods? I know they’re an excellent company, but I don’t know about their numbers…
June 14, 2013 at 6:17 pm #19460In reply to: Large and Giant Breed Puppy Nutrition
Hound Dog Mom
ParticipantYou don’t need to consider protein – protein has no effect on developmental orthopedic disease. What you want to look at is calcium per 1,000 kcal. You can use calcium percentages as a guideline but they aren’t super accurate because they don’t account for differences in caloric density – for example if Brand X is 1.3% calcium and contains 500 kcal. per cup and Brand Y is 1.3% calcium as well but contains only 350 kcal. per cup your dog will be consuming much more calcium eating brand Y to fulfill it’s energy needs than it would be eating on brand X. 1.9% calcium is very high – you can rule out a food this high in calcium without even calculating the calcium on a kcal. basis. Generally foods with over 1.2% calcium are going to be too high although I’ve seen a few very calorie-dense foods in the 1.3%-1.4% range that are okay. To calculate grams of calcium per 1,000 kcal. you would multiply 1,000 grams by the percent calcium to obtain grams of calcium per kilogram. You would then divide grams of calcium per kilogram by calories per kilogram to obtain grams of calcium per calorie. You then multiply grams of calcium per calorie by 1,000 to obtain grams of calcium per 1,000 calories – aim for no more than 3.5 g.
I’ll use TOTW’s Southwest Canyon as an example:
1.9% calcium as fed/3,600 kcal./kg.
(1,000 g.)(0.019) = 19 grams calcium per kg.
(19 g. calcium/kg.)/(3,600 kcal./kg.) = 0.00528 g. calcium per kcal.
(0.00528 g. calcium per kcal.)(1,000 kcal.) = 5.28 g. calcium per 1,000 kcal.This food has over 1 1/2 times as much calcium as a large/giant breed puppy should have.
June 14, 2013 at 5:17 pm #19453In reply to: Large and Giant Breed Puppy Nutrition
Sully’sMom
MemberStill me – when I’m looking at food am I supposed to look at BOTH calcium g per 1,000 kcal AND protein ?
June 14, 2013 at 5:12 pm #19452In reply to: Large and Giant Breed Puppy Nutrition
Sully’sMom
MemberHi again, the more I read the more I’m confused! I went to the TOTW web site and just to use one variety as an example the Southwest Canyon Canine Formula says the calcium is “1.9%, as fed”
Isn’t that the number to look for? Or is it something else? I’m looking to transition my Large Breed lab puppy to a grain free adult food. Currently, he’s on Fromm, which I know is excellent, but their grain-free is much more expensive that either TOTW or Merrick.
June 14, 2013 at 2:58 pm #19445In reply to: Large and Giant Breed Puppy Nutrition
Hound Dog Mom
ParticipantHi arlenem –
Based on the actual calcium levels TOTW provided me with, all of the formulas were too high in calcium for a large or giant breed puppy.
June 14, 2013 at 2:58 pm #19443In reply to: Large and Giant Breed Puppy Nutrition
Hound Dog Mom
ParticipantHi hmurray – The calcium levels are much too high in Eagle Pack Large/Giant Breed Puppy formula dry dog food for me to feel comfortable recommending it. Based on their stated minimum the calcium level is 4.3 grams per 1,000 kcal. and the actual level is likely a bit higher than that. You should be looking for a food with no more than 3.5 grams of calcium per 1,000 kcal. In the past I have used the Power Adult formula for my adult dog and I thought it was a great quality food for the price, I still frequently recommend Eagle Pack. I just wouldn’t feed it to a large or giant breed puppy.
June 13, 2013 at 1:45 pm #19395In reply to: Large and Giant Breed Puppy Nutrition
hmurray
ParticipantHound Dog Mom – What are your thoughts on Eagle Pack’s Large/Giant breed dry puppy food
for an english mastiff puppy or any other giant breed?June 13, 2013 at 12:03 pm #19361In reply to: Large and Giant Breed Puppy Nutrition
Sully’sMom
MemberAny thoughts on Taste of the Wild? All grain-free and DFA rates 4 and 5 star. Also recommended to me by a vet. I was surprised to not find it on your list.
June 12, 2013 at 5:06 pm #19331In reply to: how much calcium in wet food!?
yevincent
Participantthanks, pattyvaughn!
I will try several food and find a perfect ratio!By the way, Hound dog mom said “For a large breed puppy you’d want to feed a food with 3.5 g. calcium per 1,000 kcal. or less”. What does “less” mean? Can someone tell me a range?
Thank you all!
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