4Health Grain Free Dog Food (Dry)

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Rating: ★★★½☆

4Health Grain Free Dog Food receives the Advisor’s mid-tier rating of 3.5 stars.

The 4Health Grain Free product line includes 9 dry dog foods.

Each recipe below includes its related AAFCO nutrient profile when available on the product’s official webpage: Growth, Maintenance, All Life Stages, Supplemental or Unspecified.

Important: Because many websites do not reliably specify which Growth or All Life Stages recipes are safe for large breed puppies, we do not include that data in this report. Be sure to check actual packaging for that information.

  • 4Health Grain Free Large Breed [U]
  • 4Health Grain Free Puppy (4 stars) [U]
  • 4Health Grain Free Beef and Potato [A]
  • 4Health Grain Free Pork and Potato [U]
  • 4Health Grain Free Duck and Potato [U]
  • 4Health Grain Free Turkey and Potato [A]
  • 4Health Grain Free Whitefish and Potato [U]
  • 4Health Grain Free Small Breed (4 stars) [U]
  • 4Health Grain Free Chicken and Vegetables (4 stars) [U]

4Health Grain Free Beef and Potato formula was selected to represent the other products in the line for this review.

4Health Grain Free Beef and Potato

Dry Dog Food

Estimated Dry Matter Nutrient Content

Protein = 27% | Fat = 16% | Carbs = 50%

Ingredients: Beef, beef meal, pea protein, dried peas, whole potato, pea flour, poultry fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), dried plain beet pulp, natural flavor, whole flaxseed, salt, potassium chloride, brewers dried yeast, zinc proteinate, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, l-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), choline chloride, manganese proteinate, dried Bacillus coagulans fermentation product, copper proteinate, niacin, d-calcium pantothenate, biotin, sodium selenite, vitamin A supplement, riboflavin supplement, thiamine mononitrate, vitamin B12 supplement, calcium iodate, pyridoxine hydrochloride (source of vitamin B6), vitamin D3 supplement, folic acid

Fiber (estimated dry matter content) = 5.6%

Red items indicate controversial ingredients

Estimated Nutrient Content
MethodProteinFatCarbs
Guaranteed Analysis24%14%NA
Dry Matter Basis27%16%50%
Calorie Weighted Basis23%33%44%
Protein = 23% | Fat = 33% | Carbs = 44%

The first ingredient in this dog food is beef. Although it’s a quality item, raw beef contains about 80% water. After cooking, most of that moisture is lost, reducing the meat content to just a fraction of its original weight.

After processing, this item would probably account for a smaller part of the total content of the finished product.

The second ingredient is beef meal. Beef meal is considered a meat concentrate and contains nearly 300% more protein than fresh beef.

The third ingredient is pea protein, what remains of a pea after removing the starchy part of the vegetable.

Even though it contains over 80% protein, this ingredient would be expected to have a lower biological value than meat.

And less costly plant-based products like this can notably boost the total protein reported on the label — a factor that must be considered when judging the actual meat content of this dog food.

The fourth ingredient lists dried peas. Dried peas are a good source of carbohydrates. Plus they’re naturally rich in dietary fiber.

However, dried peas contain about 27% protein, a factor that must be considered when judging the meat content of this dog food.

The fifth ingredient is potato. Potatoes can be considered a gluten-free source of digestible carbohydrates. Yet with the exception of perhaps their caloric content, potatoes are of only modest nutritional value to a dog.

The sixth ingredient is pea flour, a powder made from roasted yellow peas. Pea flour contains as much as 25% protein, a factor that must be considered when judging the meat content of this dog food.

It’s important to note that a number of ingredients included in this recipe are each a type of pea product:

  • Pea protein
  • Dried peas
  • Pea flour

Although they’re a mixture of quality plant ingredients, there’s an important issue to consider here. And that’s the recipe design practice known as ingredient splitting.

You see, if we were to combine all these individual items together and report them as one, that newer combination would almost certainly occupy a higher position on the list — possibly making peas (not meat) the predominant ingredient in this recipe.

The seventh ingredient is poultry fat. Poultry fat is obtained from rendering, a process similar to making soup in which the fat itself is skimmed from the surface of the liquid.

Poultry fat is high in linoleic acid, an omega-6 fatty acid essential for life.

However, poultry fat is a relatively generic ingredient and can be considered lower in quality than a similar item from a named source animal (like chicken fat).

The eighth ingredient is beet pulp. Beet pulp is a controversial ingredient, a high fiber by-product of sugar beet processing.

Some denounce beet pulp as an inexpensive filler while others cite its outstanding intestinal health and blood sugar benefits.

We only call your attention here to the controversy and believe the inclusion of beet pulp in reasonable amounts in most dog foods is entirely acceptable.

From here, the list goes on to include a number of other items.

But to be realistic, ingredients located this far down the list (other than nutritional supplements) are not likely to affect the overall rating of this product.

With four notable exceptions

First, we find flaxseed, one of the best plant sources of healthy omega-3 fatty acids. Provided they’ve first been ground into a meal, flax seeds are also rich in soluble fiber.

However, flaxseed contains about 19% protein, a factor that must be considered when judging the actual meat content of this dog food.

Next, brewers yeast can be a controversial item. Although it’s a by-product of the beer making process, this ingredient is rich in minerals and other healthy nutrients.

Fans believe yeast repels fleas and supports the immune system.

Critics argue yeast ingredients can be linked to allergies. This may be true, but (like all allergies) only if your particular dog is allergic to the yeast itself.

In addition, a vocal minority insists yeast can increase the risk of developing the life-threatening condition known as bloat. However, this is a claim we’ve not been able to scientifically verify.

In any case, unless your dog is specifically allergic to it, yeast can still be considered a nutritious additive.

What’s more noteworthy here is that brewers yeast contains about 48% protein, a factor that must be considered when judging the actual meat content of this dog food.

In addition, we note the inclusion of dried fermentation products in this recipe. Fermentation products are typically added to provide enzymes to aid the animal with digestion.

And lastly, this food contains chelated minerals, minerals that have been chemically attached to protein. This makes them easier to absorb. Chelated minerals are usually found in better dog foods.

4Health Grain Free Dry Dog Food
The Bottom Line

Judging by its ingredients alone, 4Health Grain Free looks like an above-average dry product.

But ingredient quality by itself cannot tell the whole story. We still need to estimate the product’s meat content before determining a final rating.

The dashboard displays a dry matter protein reading of 27%, a fat level of 16% and estimated carbohydrates of about 50%.

As a group, the brand features an average protein content of 28% and a mean fat level of 16%. Together, these figures suggest a carbohydrate content of 48% for the overall product line.

And a fat-to-protein ratio of about 57%.

Near-average protein. Near-average fat. And near-average carbs when compared to a typical dry dog food.

When you consider the protein-boosting effect of the pea products, brewers yeast and flaxseed, this looks like the profile of a kibble containing a moderate amount of meat.

Bottom line?

4Health Grain Free is a plant-based dry dog food using a moderate amount of named meats as its main sources of animal protein, thus earning the brand 3.5 stars.

Recommended.

Please note certain recipes are sometimes given a higher or lower rating based upon our estimate of their total meat content and (when appropriate) their fat-to-protein ratios.

4Health Dog Food
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Notes and Updates

08/26/2017 Last Update

  • Karrie Wieber

    When will the ratings for the new 4Health Untamed be on here?? We started feeding it to our dogs a month or so ago and they do amazing on it.

  • anon101

    I have noted poor results with potato laden dog foods (loose stools).
    If potato is 10% of the diet it would be okay, but I suspect many dog foods use much more than that as a filler.
    Prescription/therapeutic diets are different and are formulated for specific medical conditions. Ingredients are hydrolyzed and easy to digest.

  • Shiya Stormdragon

    Anon Thank you for your concern the vet is aware that I have changed her diet. My girl will not eat the Royal canin, which has corn and wheat. I’ve always had her on a grain free diet.

  • Susan

    Hi Shiya,
    what is wrong with your dog what symptoms is she having??

  • Susan

    Anon 101,
    vet diet formula’s that have Potato as first ingredient for Intestinal stress related illnesses & skin problems..
    Hills vet diet Potato & Venison, Hills vet diet Potato & Duck. Royal Canine Select Protein formula’s, Potato & Rabbit, Potato & Salmon, Potato & Duck, Eukanuba vet diet Potato & Fish…

  • Susan

    Hi
    the TOTW Southwest Canyon canine formula has Garbanzo beans (Chick Peas) as 3rd ingredients please stay away from any kibbles that Chick Peas or Lentils they cause gas/farts sloppy poo & diarrhea for some dogs the TOTW Sierra Mountain Roasted Lamb just has Lamb as only protein & has NO carbanzoo Beans (Chick Peas) if you send TOTW an email their vet nutritionist will email you back, tell TOTW what health problems your dog is having, my boy has IBD when I was going to try the TOTW Southwest Canyon the TOTW vet told me feed No to feed the TOTW Sierra Mountain Lamb formula instead it has no chickpeas & has 1 single meat with limited ingredients.

  • anon101

    If your dog has a medical condition and the vet has recommended a prescription food, I would check with the vet before changing his diet.
    I am not aware of potatoes being helpful for the issues mentioned.

  • Shiya Stormdragon

    anon101…Thank you for your help. I did try warm water and bone broth. She still wouldn’t eat. even after the vet gave her a steroid shot. She does love the TOTW southwest canyon but it gives her gas. She also has soft stools so I will try the 4health. I didn’t know potatoes could help with that. I really appreciate the help.

  • anon101

    Nutrisca is another limited ingredient diet that contains no potato.
    If that is your preference.
    I have had good results with both foods (Zignature and Nutrisca) as a base for dogs with sensitive stomachs.

  • Shiya Stormdragon

    Thank you Susan, I appreciate the information and I will try it. My girl won’t eat the prescription food and it’s been tough trying to find something she likes.

  • Susan

    Hi Shiya,
    potato is first ingredient because Potato is very easy to digest & easy on the stomach & bowel, dogs normally do firmer poos after eating a kibble that has Sweet Potato or Potato also egg is another easy to digest ingredient Potato & Egg give the stomach/bowel time to heal ..Potato is not bad….
    I feed my boy who has IBD “Taste Of The Wild” Sierra Mountain, Roasted Lamb, it has Lamb, Lamb Meal, Sweet Potato, Potato, Peas, Canola oil, Egg Product, Roasted Lamb,Tomato Pomace, Natural Flavour, but this formula might have too many ingredients for your dog to start on at this stage then once he has been doing really well on the 4Health Sensitive Stomach then rotate & slowing introduce the TOTW Roasted Lamb Formula…My boy started on a vet diet then I slowley went to another food, 4Health Sensitive Stomach & Sensitive Skin formula’s are like vet diets….
    Zignature has Chickpeas & Lentils so just becareful as these ingredients can cause intestinal stress, Zignature is really good for dogs that have allergies but when it comes to some dogs with stomach/bowel problems I’ve seen too many people complaining their dog has diarrhea after eating the Zignature so I’ve stopped recommending it now….
    You can try the 4Health Special Care Sensitive Skin formula instead it is also good for sensitive stomach as it has Hydrolyzed Salmon the protein has been broken down so very easy to digest as well..I’d give the Sensitive Stomach formula a try it only has a few ingredients…

  • Shiya Stormdragon

    Thank you for your suggestion!

  • anon101

    If you want a quality kibble with no potato, consider Zignature.

  • Shiya Stormdragon

    Has anyone tried the 4Health dry for sensitive stomachs? I am concerned that the first ingredient is potato.

  • William Skidmore

    Here’s another 4Health Puppy food success story. My wife (by inheritance, me!) has two GSD brother pups. We’ve had them on 4Health puppy since we picked them up – breeder said that’s what they got weaned on, but raw was ok too, as a lot of local dogs got road kill (did I mention the breeder was from West Virginia :!)). Still have them on the 4Health puppy and they’re almost 15 months old. We’ll switch them sometime between 16 and 18 months, when their vertical growth slows down. I’ll check out the 4Health for xLarge dogs during next visit….it’s time to transition them.

  • anon101

    The new food is probably high fiber.
    I would consider going back to his prior food, or something similar

  • Rebecca Jackson

    Im wondering how puppies stool is on this food. My lab was on iams and just switched to grain free, his poops are crazy big…any thoughts?

  • Deana Oakley

    I have reported issues with this dog food over the weekend. I found 3 complaints also in October, 2017. I am worried. I have been feeding them this for 2 years. My one dog is having kidney or bladder issues, one had severe diarrhea, and all 3 didn’t want it suddenly. I am waiting to see if a recall happens, but I think I should switch. We are currently feeding them chicken and rice and may just end up making our own food with vitamins and minerals specific to dogs.

  • anon101

    The ear infection could be from swimming in the lake (bacteria in the water getting in the ear canal) I have a cairn that likes to swim in the local lake, but after reading a few horror stories about bacterial infections and such I don’t take him very often.

  • Doug W

    If it turns out she has a food allergy I can always give the bags of food she can’t eat to one of my sisters who has 5 dogs on their farm.

    Food I have been feeding her for months was American Journey grain free Beef and Potato.
    Ingredients has chicken meal listed on it which I didn’t notice until now. Vet said to give her no Milkbone type treats or any treats whatsoever, which is hard because I spent over $100 on various dog treats, usually grain free, but she goes with me everywhere and all the credit unions and stores I take her to all want to give her treats.

    I did tell the vet I have a hard time keeping her out of the lake sometimes. I live on an island and I live in the middle of a lake so she sometimes jumps into the water when she isn’t supposed to, could get water in her ears. Vet said that could also cause the issue with the ears. Vet said she’d never known a GSD to be a big swimmer.

  • Doug W

    My GSD Lola is doing OK after her attack. Wasn’t able to find puncture wounds on her until today, a week after the attack. Scabs under her thick coat on her back and on top of her head. I just couldn’t find them and neither could the vet, today I was able to find them by feeling the scabs.

    Yeah, I’m not donating the food unless I can determine it is a food allergy. I have over 200 pounds of grain free dry dog foods and after reading the ingredients closely half of them contain chicken meal or chicken fat even though none of them are labeled as a chicken based food. Several different brands which were labeled as beef and potato or salmon and sweet potato or salmon and pumpkin.

    I have some of American Journey limited ingredient Salmon and Sweet Potato and it doesn’t list any chicken or chicken fat. Most of my dog food has expiration dates way into next year.

    I bought a 16 lb bag of the 4Health Whitefish and Potato dry food the vet said to put her on for a while to see if the ear problem clears up but my GSD hasn’t touched any of it since I put it in her bowl yesterday. She isn’t a picky eater at all and will almost always clean out her bowl within a few hours.

    Vet gave me a bottle of ear drops, Mometavet to use for one week and told me to clean her ears with a baby wipe before applying. Her ears seem cleaner already after starting the drops on Monday and today is Friday. I haven’t seen her scratching her ear since Tuesday.

  • anon101

    Continue to work closely with your vet.
    I assume you were given prescription ear drops.
    Food allergies are rare, however your dog could have a food sensitivity.
    In my experience ear infections tend to occur in dogs that have environmental allergies. Hopefully in your pup’s case they are mild and only seasonal. Rinse your pup’s paw/paw pads off whenever she comes in from outside, especially after stepping in grass covered with morning dew.
    See if her condition improves over the next few months, but if it goes on for 4 seasons/1 year without significant relief from symptoms, I would ask your vet for a referral to a veterinary dermatologist.
    Don’t donate the unopened bags of dog food yet!
    As long as the expiration date is okay, you may be able to use them if it is determined that the food is not the culprit.
    If the new dog food shows no improvement, talk to your vet about a prescription dog food, that is the only way to do an elimination diet as there is cross-contamination of ingredients with commercial dog foods as it is being made.
    But, not with prescription food plus the proteins are hydrolyzed so that the dog doesn’t react. Ask your vet for more information.
    Good Luck

  • Susan

    Hi Doug,
    First you need to do a Food Elimination Diet & work out what your dog is sensitive too??, it may not be chicken, what ingredients is she eating at the moment, what brand & formula??
    My boy can’t eat carrots 20mins after he eats carrots he starts shaking his head & scratching his ears, if you continues to eat carrots he starts getting smelly yeasty ears, chicken makes his paws red & itchy, I didnt know all this until I did elimination diet…. Your better off trying the “4Health” Special Care, Sensitive Skin formula, it has Hydrolyzed Salmon, it is the “Diamond Care” Sensitive Skin formula…
    Email who you bought the 5 bags of kibble from & see if you can return the 5 bags of food & say she has stopped eating them, normally pet foods are Guaranteed money back for Palability…. if you bought from a pet shop they should give a refund…
    Im pretty sure chicken fat has no protein in it & when a dog has food sensitivities/intolerances they are sensitive to the protein in the food & fat has no protein in it, but if she has been eating this formula then its not helping cause she has yeasty smelly ears so she’s sesnitive to something she is eating also Envrionment Allergies can also cause yeasty ears as well, but its normally from food sensitivities, your better off seeing a Dermatologist they specialize in skin & ear problems.

  • Doug W

    I just had my GSD into the vet after she was attacked by the neighbors 2 dogs for the second time while I was walking her on leash. After her treatment for the attack I mentioned to the vet she has ear problems. Vet said likely allergies to chicken and that I should feed her nothing but 4Health whitefish and potato grain free as it is the only 4Health that doesn’t contain poultry or chicken fat. She also claimed 4Health is Diamond brand manufactured.

    I have 8 bags of grain free dry food 5 of which are apparently made with chicken fat.

  • joe b

    Ok. I can do that. Good idea. But like I said my puppy and others I talk to seem to do well on 4 health so it could just be me being paranoid.

  • joe b

    Ok. Thanks for the info. If the several people I have talked to didn’t have positive results with 4health, I’d switch, but it seems to do well. Just because I like Fromm so much I’ll probably end up on that again but that’s just me having good results with them in the past.

  • Susan

    Hi Joe, alot of brands make a few cheaper gerneric brands under different names & they have the same quality ingredients that are used in the more expensive brands, they also do this for people that don’t like a certain brands & the comapany uses a different name different packaging & you see people knocking one brand saying my dog was real sick when he ate “blar blar brand” then they write now he’s eating “Bling Bling brand” he’s doing really well & its the same brand lol

    I would contact & email Diamond & ask them about any concerns you might have, what I have found with dog foods the fat & protein % is often 1-2 % lower with some of the cheaper brands like Costco they sell “Kirkland Signature” Natures Domain Salmon & Sweet potato & this is the “Taste Of The Wild” Pacific Stream, Smoked Salmon formula it has the same ingredients but the fat & protein is 1% lower & I think it has a bit less salmon meal/meat you’d have to google these formula’s & see if there’s any real difference with ingredients, sometimes there’s chickpeas, lentils or peas where the meat protein meal is in the more expensive formula or sweet potatoes are replaced with potatoes, it probably wont be much of a difference….
    The 4Health Special Care formula’s are “Diamond CARE” formula’s & the Diamond CARE is probably more expensive & when I looked the other day the 4Health Special care weight mangement was exacatly the same as the Diamond CARE Weight managment formula everything was teh same…Probably as they are being made & ready to pack, they are getting packed into different bags with the different names & are teh exacate food….

  • haleycookie

    I’m not sure where they import from if they do at all but if you reach out and email the company usually they will tell you where their food sources come from. I would avoid Chinese sourcing if I were you. Also if they seem unwilling to answer or beat around the bush about where they source stuff, that would be a cause for concern with me and probably reason enough for me to stop feeding the food.

  • joe b

    Does anyone think it’s a big deal if the reason 4health is less expensive is because the meat, maybe other ingredients, is imported? I am feeding my puppy 4health chicken and rice grain free and 4 health cans and I was curious if this was cause for concern. (The 5-6 times I’ve been in tractor supply, there has always been someone in the aisle picking up 4health dog food. It appears to be insanely popular.

  • aimee

    This article is pretty good at going over the multiple causes of pancreatitis http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&S=0&C=0&A=2214

    but I’d agree with you that a lot is unknown.Not all cases are linked to fat and not all dogs who had a bout with pancreatitis need to be on a very low fat diet for life.

    Where I see individuals go astray is that they start with an answer, typically some version of “high fat and high protein is the ancestral diet and therefore good” and then make reasons up as to why that strategy wasn’t successful. i.e. the fat was cooked that’s why the dog became ill…. the fat was fed with carbohydrate that’s why the dog became ill… the fat wasn’t a “good “fat that’s why the dog became ill… the fat was rancid that’s why the dog became ill… the fat only caused problems because the dog was exposed to too much carbohydrate in the past… instead of acknowledging that some dogs can’t tolerate fat levels that others tolerate just fine.

    In vitro, exposing the pancreas to high levels of CCK (analog) or increased triglycerides in the blood., events which occur no matter how the fat is fed, induce pancreatitis.

    After having nearly lost a dog to pancreatitis after she ingested a high fat meal it boils my blood to see people ignore those basic mechanisms.

  • Pitlove

    We were actually just discussing pancreatitis in my small animal medicine class yesterday. My teacher shared a story with us about a dog that she treated monthly with chronic pancreatitis flare ups. No matter what they did he would come in like clock work for fluid therapy, antibiotics, but would leave a couple days later just fine. At home they fed him a low fat prescription food and made sure he did not get fatty treats or table scraps.

    Seems that by and large pancreatitis is still somewhat idiopathic, but I think there is far more success managing the disease with the low fat diet above all.

  • Veronika

    How are they managing to reply to you? all the guys I have blocked mention my name but they can’t directly reply to me and I can’t see their reply unless I look for it.

    If I were you and I know I’ve said this before I’d just forget them and move on, write on top of them whatever’s necessary to get through, your replies fuel them after all, they get what they want.

  • Susan

    Do you have a strong backround in physiology?? all I ever see you doing is trolling DFA criticizing my post & other people’s post, who are you? another one on their high horse trolling DFA you have nothing better to do with your time, your just causing trouble, I never see you post about a dog food what DFA is all about…

    Why after you watched Dr Judy Morgan video on her f/b page why didn’t you tell her what you thought of her video? why bring your grief over here & cause trouble?

    You think you know everything then answer this question, I blocked you so why are you still posting & reply to my post & harassing me??

    I’m sick of all this nit picking that you all get off on, anyone that likes your post is just as bad as you, a trouble maker with nothing better to do with their spare time, must be really sad to be you harassing someone just for attention…

  • aimee

    Hi Susan,
    I watched Dr Morgan’s pancreas video and it is apparent that she doesn’t understand the basis of pancreatitis. This is really sad as people who don’t have a strong background in physiology may follow her advice.

    The idea that carbohydrate makes the pancreas work harder is silly.and even if it did “work harder” that wouldn’t cause pancreatitis. That’s like saying exercise causes heart disease because it makes the heart work harder LOL

    In people, dietary fat really isn’t the risk factor for pancreatitis as it is in dogs, but with the high fat levels in a ketogenic diet pancreatitis is seen in people as a side effect of the diet and sometimes it is fatal.
    ,

  • sharron

    Hi – yes she does, she takes it when needed

  • Susan

    Hi, Lexee around Patches age, he’ll be 9 in November…looks like the Diamond Care is the same as the “4Health” Special Care Weight Management kibble. Does Lexee take something for her Arthritis?

  • sharron

    Hi and thanks – Lexee is 8 12/ yrs – she has gained a lb. used to be 10 about a month ago. gaining weight isn’t ideal since she has arthritis

  • Susan

    Hi Sharron,
    I posted you a post last night about Judy Morgan DVM, this is her face book page https://www.facebook.com/JudyMorganDVM/ click on her Videos link it’s on your left if your on a lap top computer then look thru all her videos & look for “Pancreatitis Again” this video is really good, Judy talks about how some of her Pancreatitis dog patients are eating a strict low fat diet, no treats, etc yet some dogs are still having a Pancreas flare, she started to look into this why is this happening, then she spoke with I can’t remember the man’s name he’s doing research with “Ketopet” cancer dogs & has a few dogs that are prone to Pancreatitis, he said these dogs are eating Ketogenic diets like the Atkins weight loss diet for humans,it’s high in fat, medium amount of protein & have very low fiber & carbs, the fiber only comes from the low glycenic green vegetables broccoli, Kale, brussel Sprouts that is in their diets none of these dogs have had a pancreas flare yet & Judy Morgan said its the opposite to what we have been taught about Pancreatitis the dogs are eating high fat & protein with very low fiber & no sugary carbs, the more sugary carbs in a dogs diet the harder the Pancreas has to work, its a really good video to watch…

    How old is Lexee?? can she eat Chicken & Turkey? the “Canidae Pure Meadow” Senior is pretty good the protein is around 28% & the fat is 10.80% max, or there’s Canidae’s “Pure Resolve” it’s a weight loss kibble as well, 9% fat I don’t know the max fat % it wont be much, the carbs are 40% you have to contact Canidae for max fat %..
    When it’s a weight loss formula it will be higher in fiber, whenever the fat & protein is lower the fiber & carbs are normally higher..
    I always read the Kcals per cup & it’s best to feed under 340 Kcals per cup, “4Health” special care weight loss kibble is only 279 Kcals per cup & the carbs are 40% fat-8%max, protein-22% but fiber is high-10% & it has Chickpeas & Lentils as 3rd & 4th ingredient, I dont know if Lexee is Ok with chickpea/lentils they increase the fiber %, no good for Patch or a dog with stomach problems & acid reflux…

    I’m trying Hills Science Diet at the moment I’m doing everything the Opposite to what I would normally do with Patch lol, the fat is high at 17.7%max, the Protein is 27.2%max & I just noticed the fiber is low-1.3%, the omega 3 is high 1.50% & Patch is doing really well & LOVES it so does the cat, he has No Pancreas pain, no acid reflux, no grinding his teeth, I’m feeding the Hills Science Diet, Sensitive Skin dry formula, you don’t have it in America, in America HiIls it’s the Hills Sensitive Skin & Stomach formula together, I want to try Hills new Mature Youthful Vitatily stew canned formula but I’m waiting for Pet shop to get it in, Im getting sick of shopping on line, Patches TOTW the box it came it was all ripped crushed taped all up, also you have to pay postage to return stuff, one online store is good they just refund money & let you donate the food but now Summer is coming I don’t like how the food sits in hot couriers van all day while they deliver parcels, this is when foods go rancid & dogs gets sick with dirrahea & vomiting….
    I hope Lexee does well & keeps liking her new food but you can also try another brand as well & feed 1 for breakfast & the other brand for dinner, that’s what I’ve been doing but Patch has been picking the new Hills kibble, Hills must spray more oils & stuff on their kibbles more then TOTW sprays,you can tell the kibble will feel oily, Judy Morgan talks about how the kibble gets sprayed so dogs will eat it then thats what goes rancid, Judy was speaking about it in one of her videos I watched, I think it was the “Heavy Metals in Pet foods” video….

  • joe b

    Glad your dog is doing well. Just got a puppy. 11 weeks old. I’m giving her 4health grain free puppy food, and mixing in 4health puppy can. She loves it and is doing great. Sorry about the labs you lost. I know that pain all too well.

  • joe b

    Great thanks for taking the time to reply. I’m going to keep her on this puppy food for maybe a year or until she’s full grown. Not sure what you think of that time frame. Now that you mention it, my previous dogs did well with allergy and stomach issues. It could be because I rotated between high end brands every so often. And going from one high quality food to another is easier on the dog if the food is good. My last two dogs loved Chicken Soup/Soul, Fromm, and Source Naturals. God did they like the Chicken Soup brand!

  • sharron

    Hi Susan – i found a grain free weight loss food that is lower in protein and fat.
    So far Lexee likes and is eating it without wet food being mixed in

  • Susan

    Hi Joe, yes if she is doing well on 4Health puppy then stick with the “4Health” & like you said after you go from puppy food then rotate & try a different formula with a different meat protein with a few different ingredients….Rotating between a few different “brands” is good to do as well, this way your exposing her to a wider variety of protein types, the immune system is primed to a larger range of potential allergens which strengthens the immune system & may reduce the risk of allergies or symptoms developing, this is particulary important for young animals

    I also like to add fresh whole foods to the diet as well, I give as treats with Patch, then hopefully when she grows up you’ll have a dog that can eat everything & not have any intestinal stress & have a very healthy gut..

  • joe b

    If your truly a vet, thanks for your input!

  • joe b

    Hi Susan, I have an 11 week old german shepherd/yellow lab mix. I decided to try 4health grain free puppy as her first food., I mix 4health can as well. She loves it and no issues. I usually feed Fromm or Source Naturals but I wanted to scale back a few dollars. She had her follow up vet puppy visit and she is doing great. I asked our vet if she knew anything about 4health, the only thing she could say was that a lot of her patients feed their dogs 4 foods and they do well. She also said we are going to hear good and bad about most brands because bacteria is associated with meats in foods. So with that said she said if my dog does well on 4health keep using it. What’s your take? After we go from puppy food, I’m going to try the 4health duck and sweet potato.

  • TSank

    With 4 large hungry dogs we researched a bunch of options wanting to stay at a 4 star minimum rating. We switched over to 4Health and went for quite a while until my 13 year old (12 at the time) starting having some stomach issues. We then went to the grain free and haven’t had a problem since. Since we started we lost our 14 and 13 year old labs, and have added a 1 year old lab to the family. After a transition she has had zero issues. I was somewhat concerned as she runs trails with me (up to 12 miles) and she has held her weight and built additional muscle mass. Big 4 Health grain free fan

  • Dionannan

    Thanks Susan for replying. I will look for Ziwi Peak treats. I am currently using fresh dried beef as treats.
    I did take the moldy bag back to Tractor Supply. They where happy to give me a refund, but would not talk about any problems with the kibble.
    After reviewing the BARF diet and confirming with our veterinarian. We are going to remain raw and are in the process of introducing raw to our older rescue.

    After decades of owning dogs. 4 Health and TOTW are my kibble of choice, but modern veternary practice, extremely priced care designed to be life long is not normal. At least, I reject it as a norm.
    Thank you again.

  • Susan

    The chicken fat comes from chicken so when a dog is sensitive to chicken & has Gi problems, normally vet says stay away from chicken fat as well, it all depends on the dog, he might be OK with chicken fat.. Some dogs that can’t eat chicken can’t eat eggs either, again it all depends on your dog…..

  • Susan

    Hi sounds like there’s an ingredient in the adult formula he’s sensitive too, take back the moldy adult kibble & change it back to the puppy formula & read the ingredient list in the puppy food & read the ingredients in the Adult kibble work out which ingredients are different in the adult formula? write them down & try & avoid a few of these ingredients when you buy a adult food…..look to buy a kibble with just 1 single protein with limited ingredients.. I feed the “Taste Of The Wild” Sierra Mountain, Roasted Lamb All Life Stages, it just has Lamb, Lamb Meal, Sweet Potatoes, Potatoes, Peas, Salmon Oil, Egg, Roasted Lamb, Tomato Pomace natural flavor, blueberries & raspberries then all the vitamins & probiotics…
    Have you looked at Ziwi Peak air dried raw & use the Ziwi Peak as treats… https://www.ziwipets.com/catalog/ziwi-peak-dog-nutrition/air-dried-dog-food

  • Dionannan

    In an attempt to figure out why my 5 month old pup suddenly started showing signs of allergies I went to Dr. Mercola on youtube. She is a strong advocate for raw diets. I know it stopped the gnawin, itching and oozy lesions in just a couple of days.
    If raw is something you would be interested in trying.

  • Dionannan

    Just wanted to share my experience with 4 Health dog foods.
    We started our 2 lb pup on the grain free puppy food and 1/2 raw food. He did great.
    I use the kibble as treats and to train with. So, as he out grew the tiny kibble we grabbed a bag of adult grain free just for treats. He started gnawing, scratching and breaking out. Inspecting the adult food we found it to be moldy. I discontinued the adult food and within 3 days his skin cooled, the gnawing stopped.
    So in conclusion, the puppy kibble is a good kibble for small pups. Not so good for larger pups 3 months and up.
    Because of this issue we chose to go completely raw (BARF) 6 months sooner than planned.

  • Susan

    Hi that’s great it’s hard finding a good formula when they are sick I’m pretty sure 4Health is made by Diamond & they make Taste Of The Wild as well my boy has IBD & Pancreas pain & he does real will on the TOTW Sierra Mountain Roasted Lamb it seems to be easy to digest something works very well the fat is 15% max but it doesn’t seem to bother his Pancreas, I really think its how the kibble breaks down & is easy to digest….My boy was the same all the vet diets did NOT help him they made him worse..

  • Susan

    Hi my boy does sloppy poos when protein is increased….Even though everything looks nilly the same on both kibble bags if you email 4Health & ask for the accurate percentages they will be higher then what’s written on the bag, they say min, so they can vary from 1-5% more…look at the fat% normally a puppy formula will have more fat…..Canidae make 2
    good large breed puppy formula’s that have healthy grains + peas, lentils, potatoes etc click on link below
    then scroll down, Canidae’ make their cheaper brand “Under The Sun” it has a chicken puppy formula then I think its page 4 & 5 the large breed puppy formula are on …I rotate between TOTW & Canidae, my boy has IBD & does real well on these brands…

  • massbloggerrrrrr

    Just wanted to comment here. I have 12 puppies and momma.Momma is a Cane Corso- pups are 50Cane corso/31Neo/12DDB/6Alapaha blueblood bulldog. Momma eats a mix of Taste of the wild(rotating formulas) and 4health grain free chicken and vegetables no problems with either. I started pups on the 4health grain free chicken and vegetable (brown bag)puppy for 1 1/2 weeks(loose stools) constant loose stools !!! So I switched off puppy formula to the 4health grain free chicken and vegetables NON puppy formula and everything is great 2 weeks now , all doing well no problems. What I don’t understand is ingredients are identical. Slightly higher protein in puppy formula. I can not for the life of me figure out why the puppy formula gave them diareah but not the other. Usually higher protein firms the stool , not loosen !! Any input? It’s a mystery to me !

  • Jessica Boyd

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    My dads Jack Russell was allergic to corn and anything from a chicken/ fowl. We feed him Natural Balance L.I.D. Venison and Potato. It was so expensive. I found 4Health Beef and Potato at Tractor Supply and never went back. He stopped itching. His hair grew back. He had no more vet visits except for his yearly. I feed my Corgi/Heeler Beef and Potato 4Health. We were feeding our new puppy Blue Wilderness Puppy Chicken Formula since we got a free bag at PetSmart. He started vomiting, diarrhea, peeing all over the house and once while he was asleep. His potty training was going great and this was out of the ordinary. After all the vet visits, medications, negative parvo test, and hundreds of dollars we figured out it was the Blue Wilderness was doing this to him. Now he is on 4Health Grain Free Puppy. I will stick with 4Health.

  • Nomi Schwartzengraber

    After my rescue mastiff got pancreatitis repeatedly and not even an Rx diet helped I decided to try 4Health grain free to see if it helped. Since she’s been on this food she’s hasn’t had any more issues. I’m totally sold on this food.

  • Susan

    Hi it may not have been the Chicken your dog was sensitive to in the Fromm formula, it may have been higher fat or higer in protein, may have heap more fiber% go & read the Fromm formula you were feeding & write down te protein, fat & fiber % or it could have been a vegetable ingredient he’s sensitive too, the only way to know 100% is add some cooked chicken skin free to only one of his kibble meals this way when he does 2 poos one of the poos will be sloppy/sticky & smells…. I wouldn’t ride off the chicken just yet he’s still a pup & there’s too many ingredient sin a kibble to say it was the chicken…. Normally when they cant eat chicken you stay away from chicken fat but like spanielvet posted it’s the protein in the food you react to…..”Taste Of The Wild” make a 2 chicken free grain free puppy formula’s, Pacific Stream Puppy & High Prairie Puppy Formula & so does “Canidae” they have 2 chicken free large breed Puppy formula’s but 1 has grains + potatoes the other puppy formula is Turkey & brown rice with limited ingredients for multi dogs large breed for Puppys, Adults & Seniors….
    http://www.canidae.com/dog-food/products