Purina Pro Plan Selects (Dry)

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Rating: ★★★☆☆

Purina Pro Plan Selects dry dog food receives the Advisor’s mid-tier rating of three stars.

Currently, the Purina Pro Plan Selects product includes six kibbles… one designed to meet AAFCO nutrient profiles for growth (puppies) and five for adult maintenance.

  • Purina Pro Plan Selects Natural Beef and Barley
  • Purina Pro Plan Selects Natural Turkey and Barley
  • Purina Pro Plan Selects Natural Salmon and Brown Rice
  • Purina Pro Plan Selects Natural Chicken and Brown Rice
  • Purina Pro Plan Selects Puppy Natural Turkey and Barley
  • Purina Pro Plan Selects Senior Natural Turkey and Barley

Purina Pro Plan Selects Natural Beef and Barley Dog Food was selected to represent the others in the line for this review.

Purina Pro Plan Selects Natural Beef and Barley

Dry Dog Food

Estimated Dry Matter Nutrient Content

Protein = 31% | Fat = 19% | Carbs = 42%

Ingredients: Beef, barley, brewers dried yeast, brewers rice, chicken meal (natural source of glucosamine), dried egg product, oat meal, animal fat preserved with mixed-tocopherols (form of vitamin E), dried beet pulp, pea protein, fish oil, natural flavor, salt, potassium chloride, calcium phosphate, dried carrots, dried tomatoes, dried sweet potatoes, calcium carbonate, vitamin E supplement, l-lysine monohydrochloride, zinc proteinate, dl-methionine, l-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), manganese proteinate, ferrous sulfate, niacin, copper proteinate, vitamin A supplement, calcium pantothenate, thiamine mononitrate, riboflavin supplement, vitamin B12 supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, folic acid, vitamin D3 supplement, calcium iodate, biotin, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of vitamin K activity), sodium selenite

Fiber (estimated dry matter content) = 4.5%

Red items when present indicate controversial ingredients

Estimated Nutrient Content
MethodProteinFatCarbs
Guaranteed Analysis27%17%NA
Dry Matter Basis31%19%42%
Calorie Weighted Basis26%39%35%

The first ingredient in this dog food is beef. Although it is a quality item, raw beef contains about 80% water. After cooking, most of that moisture is lost… reducing the meat content to just 20% of its original weight.

To reflect its lighter mass, this item should more accurately occupy a lower position on the list.

Which brings us to barley… the second and (more likely) the dominant ingredient in this dog food.

Barley is a starchy carbohydrate supplying fiber and other healthy nutrients. Unlike grains with a higher glycemic index (like rice), barley can help support stable blood sugar levels in dogs.

The third ingredient mentions brewers dried yeast. Although it is a by-product of the beer making process, brewers yeast contains about 45% protein… and is rich in other healthy nutrients.

The fourth ingredient is brewers rice. Brewers rice represents the small grain fragments left over after milling whole rice.

This is an inexpensive cereal grain by-product and not considered a quality ingredient.

The fifth ingredient is chicken meal. Chicken meal is considered a meat concentrate and contains nearly 300% more protein than fresh chicken.

The sixth ingredient is dried egg product… a dehydrated form of shell-free eggs. Quality can vary significantly. Lower grade egg product can even come from commercial hatcheries… from eggs that have failed to hatch.

In any case, eggs are easy to digest and have an exceptionally high biological value.

The seventh ingredient is oatmeal… a whole-grain product made from coarsely ground oats. Oatmeal is naturally rich in B-vitamins, fiber and is (unlike many other grains) mostly gluten-free.

The ninth item is animal fat. Animal fat is a generic by-product of “rendering”… the same high-temperature process used to make meat meals.

Since there’s no mention of a specific animal, this stuff could come from almost anywhere… restaurant grease, slaughterhouse waste, diseased cattle… even euthanized pets.

Needless to say, generic animal fat is not a quality ingredient.

The tenth ingredient is beet pulp. Beet pulp is a controversial ingredient… a high fiber by-product of sugar beet processing.

Some denounce beet pulp as an inexpensive filler while others cite its outstanding intestinal health and blood sugar benefits.

We only call your attention here to the controversy and believe the inclusion of beet pulp in reasonable amounts in most dog foods is entirely acceptable.

From here, the list goes on to include a number of other items.

But to be realistic, ingredients located this far down the list (other than nutritional supplements) are not likely to have much of an effect on the overall rating of this product.

With two exceptions…

Unfortunately, this Purina Pro Plan food also contains menadione… a controversial form of vitamin K linked to liver toxicity, allergies and the abnormal break-down of red blood cells.

We also note this food contains chelated mineralsminerals that have been chemically attached to protein. This makes them easier to absorb. Chelated minerals are usually found in better dog foods.

Purina Pro Plan Selects
The Bottom Line

Judging by its ingredients alone, Purina Pro Plan Selects appears to be at least a decent kibble.

But ingredient quality by itself cannot tell the whole story. We still need to estimate the product’s meat content before determining a final rating.

The dashboard displays a dry matter protein reading of 31%, a fat level of 19% and an estimated carbohydrate content of 42%.

As a group, the brand features an average protein content of 32% and an average fat level of 19%. Together, these figures suggest an overall carbohydrate content of 41% for the full product line.

Moderate protein. Above-average fat. And below-average carbs… when compared to a typical dry dog food.

Yet when you consider the (non-animal sourced) protein-boosting effect of the brewers dried yeast, this is the profile of a kibble containing only a moderate amount of meat.

What’s more, we believe it’s unfortunate the company chooses to include a low-quality generic animal fat and a controversial form of vitamin K in its recipes.

Bottom line?

Purina Pro Plan Selects is a plant-based dry dog food using only a moderate amount of poultry, beef or salmon as its main sources of animal protein… thus barely earning the brand three stars.

Recommended.

Those looking for a wet food from the same company may wish to visit our review of Purina Pro Plan Selects Canned Dog Food.

A Final Word

This review is designed to help you make a more informed decision when buying dog food. However, our rating system is not intended to suggest feeding a particular product will result in specific health benefits for your pet.

For a better understanding of how we analyzed this product, please be sure to read our article, “The Problem with Dog Food Reviews

Remember, no dog food can possibly be appropriate for every life stage, lifestyle or health condition. So, choose wisely. And when in doubt consult a veterinarian for help.

Have an opinion about this dog food brand… or maybe the review itself? Please know… we welcome your comments.

Other spellings: Proplan

Notes and Updates

12/02/2009 Original review
07/13/2010 Review updated
08/21/2010 Review updated
08/21/2010 Last Update

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  • Gordon

    Should be no problem then. And they may have recently supplied that info on their website. I never actually looked before. So I took it for granted that what I’d read was fact at the time. 1.3% and 0.9% of Ca and P respectively, if true and if these minimums are consistent, then such Ca to P, shouldn’t cause skeletal issues, one wouldn’t think.

  • Mike P

    Blue Buffalo Wilderness Duck Ca 1.3% P 0.9% according to their website.

  • Gordon

    Angelldobes – From what I read before, Blue Buffalo are not to be trusted. They apparently withhold info as to what Ca to P ratio they provide in their kibble. From so many other great 5 star kibbles, you could have chosen, why this 3 star, yet overpriced Nestle confectionery company dog food? It’s not that bad a Purina formula compared to their other trash, but they could still do a whole better considering the price they charge. And they still unnecessarily use artificial vitamin K (menadone) in this formula.

  • Angelldobes

    There is an inordinate amount of useless chatter about a subject I didn’t come to see.  Thanks for nothing to everybody but Paul Ryan.  Paul thanks for your thoughtful comment about this food.  I had to take my puppies off blue buffalo when one was growing her long leg bones too fast.  They have been on Purina Pro Plan Puppy ever since and doing well. Only problem is they prefer auntie’s nutra nuggets and she prefers their puppy food.  (Auntie was a breeder before I had her.  Probably ate a lot of puppy food in her time.)

  • harleyD

    i totally agree !!

  • Fred Brownlee

    Without a doubt! – People choose to retain red rice yeast for lessening the unneeded volume of fat along with managing its stuff

  • MITCHELL CHARLIE

    GOOD DAY, I CAN HELP WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION, NOW I GIVE TO MY BORDER COLLIE LAMB AND RICE DIAMOND ATURALS, IF YOU DO NOT FALL WELL, SOMETIMES HARD SOMETIMES MAKES NO, I’M THINKING OF CHANGING THE FOOD FOR WELLNESS, SOLID GOLD, INNOVA , NATURAL BALANCE OR BLUE BUFFALO IN YOUR EXPERIENCE IS ME RECOMMEND THAT IS BETTER. THANKS

  • Cocomac

    THANK YOU FOR ACTUALLY GIVING AN ACTUALL REVIEW ON PRO PLAN. I FIND THAT SO MANY OF THESE OPINIONS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DOG FOOD BEING REVIEWED

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  • Paul Ryan

    I have a 10 year old Golden Retriever. She was eating Nutro large breed dry. She began gaining weight and her energy level was getting lower and lower. I switched to Purina Pro Plan Shredded blend beef & rice formula. The first thing I noticed was her egarness to eat this compared to past brands. Than her energy level went way up. We started going on long walks again. Her weight started to drop also. If I would have read this review before, I never would have tried it. However, with the results my dog has experienced, I am hesitant to switch to anything else.

  • Cindi

    I’m so glad I found this site!! I’ve been having trouble finding a food that all my dogs do well on. One forum I belong to, most people feel grain-free kibble is the way to go if you don’t do raw or home-cooked, but some people have posted they feed Pro-Plan which is how I ended up here.

    Melissa — I was doing chicken the same as you and everyone loved it, except one of my boys had problems with diarrhea on it, not sure if it’s the chicken or the fat that causes the problem though. I might try it again, but take the skin off before cooking and see if that helps.

    I wanted to ask if you’ve tried using a pressure cooker. I can’t remember how long I cooked the chicken (maybe 30 — 45 minutes), but the bones get so soft you can smash them up with the meat.

    Gordon – have you considered bully sticks for teeth cleaning? My crew loves them, even my 12 year old who doesn’t have many teeth left! She just waits until one of the others chews and softens the bully stick and then when he turns away for a second, she grabs it. Of course, I’m always ready with another bully stick so no one has to go without!

  • melissa

    Gordon-

    I only buy american made, and its often hard to find-most is imported from china, thailand etc, and I have concerns about arsenic being used on it-so that is a big “NO” for us. I have used rawhide for about 30 yrs, lol, and never had a single issue with it. However, we throw away “small stubby pieces” and always buy sizes larger than the dogs require.

    I do not purchase our meats at Walmart, so I never have really looked through their meat selections beyond grabbing the chicken etc, but was surprised at how many “oddities” they have including bleached tripe, beef neck bones, split pigs feet and cow intestine. This one left me shaking my head as to what one does with it, lol.

  • Mike P

    Thanks Melissa for the cooking tips. It’s off to Wally World for some vittles. Leftovers must be a guy thing because I eat stuff that who knows how long it’s been in there. I feel if you have to have someone smell food for you to see if it’s bad…It must be bad lol . My wife thinks I’m gross sometimes.

  • Gordon

    Yeah rawhide will help clean teeth. In fact anything hard that’s chewed aids in cleaning off canine teeth debris. I don’t ever feed rawhide as what I’ve heard about it in relation to how its processed and the fact that most come from overseas and are confirmed as irradiated (At least they are when imported into Australia), and the possibility of rawhide expanding when the stomach acids of the dog go to work etc.

    But it sounds like you’ve been using them for a long time from what you’re saying, so stay with it. At least your dogs are getting teeth cleaning benefits out of it.

  • melissa

    Sandi-

    Thanks for your kind words. We are very proactive in finding out information about our dogs and diagnosis-I believe that is the only way to be.

    Mike P-I have kept it in the fridge up to 4 days, and I thought that was pushing it-it didn’t smell “off” or anything, but I was trying to go by “at what point would I not eat it” and realistically figured 3 days, lol. Last night I tried running some of the mix through a food processor that I found in my storage room(lol-its at least 15 yrs old and never used) and I think I over processed it -it took several tries to make it “shredded”- not soup : )

    I boil the chicken leg quarters and the chicken liver/gizzards, but boil the chicken livers “lightly”-just until cooked, not dried out-these break apart very easily when cut or blended, so add them last : ) The sardines I just dump out of the can and smash them up with a fork into bite size pieces. Chicken leg quarters were $7.88 for a 10lb bag(10-11 quarters about 1 lb each-walmart) sardines are $1 a can, and the chicken livers were cheap-can’t remember how much per container-perhaps $1.20? When I add squash or zuccini from the garden, I steam it, then blend it to mix in. 6 quarters, 1 chicken liver container and 1 can sardines would last one of my big dogs(mixed with kibble!!) about 10 days at one standard soup ladle full per day-so about .69cents per serving. With veggies added, it lasts longer, so if feeding only one dog or a smaller dog, you would definetly need to freeze it. To warm it from the fridge, I just put how much I need into a seperate bowl and let sit out for a few minutes to take the chill off, or just add a little warm water to the kibble-they will eat it any way its served except frozen ; ) Since its only a topper, I do not get hung up on the ingrediants-if I am missing one item, oh well-

  • http://www.whosyourvet.com Sandi

    Melissa – I usually tell people not to listen to their Vet when they give a time-line. A lot of dogs live many years past their time-line by changing the diet, supplements, etc. I always encourage people to be proactive and do their own research after they get the Vet’s diagnosis/opinion. If I was to go organic raw – it would be home made if I knew how to balance a proper balanced diet. You bet the commercial raw is expensive. If one has a small dog it’s affordable.

    You sound like a great lady with a big heart. I’m sure that’s why your pack are survivors. Having a positive attitude goes a long way.

  • Mike P

    Melissa I think I can get down with the home cooked food. Do you boil the livers and gizzards too ? I think I will put in all in a blender and put it in the fridge for her suppers and use as a topper insteadof canned food. The food should keep for 5 days in the fridge, ya think??

  • melissa

    Gordon-

    Sorry, missed your question in the above response.

    “What do I do for teeth cleaning”.-Not much : ) We have very few problems with tartar build up. Our dogs have free access to rawhide bones and I have never had a huge problem with teeth. On the rare occassion that I see tartar on the back teeth, I simply scale it off. When we lost our 17plus year old, she went with a full set of pearly white chompers that she felt obligated to use, lol.

    As for what I cook for toppers, I don’t believe that I would have the time or ambition to make enough to feed these guys it as a sole diet. Its much easier to simply throw a ladle full on the big dogs kibble or 1/4 ladle on the small ones. On the days they get the home cooked, I just cut back on the kibble.

  • melissa

    Sandi-

    I am Upstate : )

    Shameless-Yes, I am sure some do feed commercial raw, while others feed home made raw. I would think that the cost would be much higher with commercial raw than homemade raw.I think if someone wants to feed raw, have at it. For me, its not worth the risks and it does not agree with what I already know-and that is that my dogs live longer than most people’s dogs and have very few medical issues(except those adopted with pre existing conditions) I am a firm believer in doing what works. If I had a problem with lack of longevity, or medical issues developing from the way I feed, I would be the first person in line researching other methods. Right now, I have three that have far outlived their medical diagnosis-2 plus yr survivor of lymphosarcoma(and not showing one iota of disease symptoms, one with liver disease(adopted 1 1/2 yrs ago whose bloodwork was so elevated he was given about 3mths-bloodwork is now within normal limits) and a dog with no hip joints-adopted this way, and was told he would need pain meds/antiinflammatories for the remainder of his life, which would be very short due to his large size. He has been with us almost 4 yrs, and can run like the wind with a very small “hitch” in his gait-no RX’s needed beyond the first 2 mths after adoption. . I believe in my methods and care of my dogs, but what works for me and mine may not work for others, hence I am a firm believer in doing what works for each individual dog

  • Gordon

    Haha yeah good example but Subway is at least better than all 3, or at least better than the latter 2, as I’m not familiar with Five Guys.

  • ShamelessRawFoodie

    Yeh Gordon – Dr Becker’s Best To Worst has ‘balanced cooked homemade’ as 3rd best and ‘super premium dry’ as 7th best. So a mix of these could be viewed as 5th best. For Dr Becker’s ratings, her 5th best is ‘human-grade dry food’.
    Of course, like others will say – best is what works for them.
    People tell me Five Guys and Wendy’s is better than McDonald’s or Burger King, but I’ll pass on all!

  • Gordon

    Oh I forgot re my 2nd last post above – I do have the option in Sydney for K9′s actual raw frozen formula brand to consider as Shameless previously pointed out, and am still considering it.

  • Gordon

    Actually Shameless – You’re correct. I too agree with Dr. Becker in that the second best is commercial formulated raw foods, behind home prepared ones. The home cooked foods provided on quality ingredients and balanced properly is the 3rd best one. So I correct myself….melissa’s feeding regime is 3rd best IMO, or a tad further down the list when using same to top kibble, albeit higher quality kibble like Acana Grain feee.

  • ShamelessRawFoodie

    Melissa – The customers fed commercial raw, not homemade raw. All vets know that complete and balanced commercial raw diets are readily available. Vet Karen Becker has rated ‘commercial balanced raw diet’ as 2nd best food to feed of her ’13 best to worst types of dog food’:
    http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/choosing-dog-food/karen-becker-best-worst-dog-food/

  • Gordon

    melissa – Your feeding regime is a good one, anyway. In fact, home cooking for dogs is second best to home prepared raw. You could even feed them, from what you say you cook, with out it being a topper and it being the sole dog food. But it is understandable that you may not, as most people don’t have the time to make enough of it for home cooking to be your dogs’ sole diet.

    What you said about time is true, and I’m wondering how I’m going to manage preparing my own BARF formulations when my current commercial BARF box of pork flavoured patties runs out. That’s why I wish I was also privy to Stella & Chewys, or Darwins, or Primal etc.

    Anyway what do you do to clean your dogs’ teeth?

  • http://www.whosyourvet.com Sandi

    Melissa – have you thought about using a crock pot? When I was cooking for Bernie, I put the whole chicken in with vegetables and let it cook for 8 hrs. on low. Just a suggestion! I make the best soups in the crock pot for myself. After it was cooked, the meat was easy to pull off & I put it in a food processor to make smaller pieces.

    Where in NY? I’m from Queens.

  • melissa

    Mike P-

    I just pull the chicken off the bones with my fingers, then cut up the larger pieces with a knife-I cut up the chicken gizzards or liver the same way(and sardines) and then just mix it all together in the “broth” I then seperate it into two “batches”-one that includes the chicken fat from the top of the pot,and the other has had the fat skimmed off(for the pancreatitic issue dogs) I do puree the veggies that I add in from time to time. The broth keeps them from just eating the meat pieces : )

    When wintertime comes to NY and I have more time, I think I will try “food processing” everything and make my own canned topper that can be frozen into batches of 2-3 days worth. I know my limitations and for my busy schedule and lifestyle, there is no way I would feed complete homecooked. I leave the balancing of vitamins/minerals etc to the dry and then just “spruce it up”.

    Shameless-I think the reason vets do not reccomend homecooked or raw is for the apparent potential for the owners to cause damage to the dogs. From my experience with owners, its not the vast majority that are willing to ensure that everything is complete and balanced.Sure they may go into with good intentions, but pretty soon they realize how time consuming it can be, and then things either fall by the wayside or they stop.In the age of two parent working households, its often difficult to balance work and the kids, let alone adding in home prep of dog(or cat) meals.

    I would personally recc home cooked over raw due to the much lower risks associated with it-as long as the owners know how to balance the food and have the time, you do not have the inherent risks of raw. Right now my dry is the Acana grain free, and I am extremelly happy with it. However, should there be a serious recall involving it, I would probably find the time to home cook and freeze food for the dogs. I can say the meat/veggie topper I make and rotate with is about the same cost as the amount of cans I would use per day-perhaps a bit less.

  • Mike P

    Melissa do you chop the chicken up or put in a blender so you can mix with the kibble ? I cut up chicken and mix with a spoon of peanut butter and stuff a large kong . She likes that alot.

  • ShamelessRawFoodie

    During the last few years when I was a Blue Buffalo product representative in PetSmart, I occasionally had the opportunity to suggest raw feeding to pet parents who were at their wits end with dog or cat health issues and who regularly fed kibble and/or canned. They had tried a host of options, including feeding Blue, sometimes spanning many years. But their vet never mentioned REAL FOOD (cooked or raw) and they never thought of feeding REAL FOOD.

    A typical scenario would be this – pet has severe digestive or skin/coat problems, then years of merry-go-round with loads of vet appointments; lab tests; allergy tests; pest checks; Rx meds; Rx food; grain-free food; limited ingredient food; spring water; stainless bowls; minimal bathes; herbal remedies; eliminate lawn and household chemicals; 2nd vet opinion, 3rd vet opinion; etc. etc. etc.

    When I asked if they had ever tried raw feeding, most said they had never thought of it and said their vet had never mentioned raw feeding. These people were very pleased that I didn’t steer them to yet another kibble or canned food that would have likely not provided any relief for their pet.

    Many of those customers later came back to the store to thank me for suggesting something they would not have considered, simply because they weren’t aware. Of those who came back to visit, all reported that feeding raw remedied or significantly improved their pet’s health problems.

  • melissa

    Gordon-

    Pot-Kettle and all that jazz, lmao : ) As I sit here typing, I am boiling this weeks portion of chicken leg quarters. When they are cooled and seperated from the bones, they will be mixed with the canned sardines, and the chicken livers. This in turn will encompass this weeks “toppers” for the dogs. Next week will be canned, the week after is cottage cheese and egg-

    All purchased from a mystery source known as the supermarket : ) I think that my dogs look and act the better for having fresh cooked foods added into their meals. I do not feed much raw as I have concerns for the bones as well as the bacteria(though I do admit to feeding Satin Balls from time to time to some dogs). Its not about economics for me, but rather what works for them and myself.

  • Gordon

    OK, sure thing Madam (Mam). :)

  • http://www.whosyourvet.com Sandi

    Bravo Melissa for stepping up to the plate!!! I’m with you 200%!

    Gordon – “It’s nice that you support another fellow poster. It’s a lonely feeling when one is fighting on their own.
    It’s like Oprah stated on her last shows…..Everyone seeks “validation”.

    You are in no position to even go there. Remember how you flip flopped after what Cathy once posted. Seems to me you both support each other in attacking others. So please, keep those comments to yourself. In my mind, you both lost your credibility when you recommended a certain supplement with a certain ingredient that didn’t belong there, not to mention Cathy didn’t know where the ingredients were being sourced from even though she preaches Know Your Farmer – Know Your Food. If I recommend a product, I’ve done my research. I’m still waiting for an answer from the company. When I get it I’ll post it. Cathy never offered to call the company.

    Seems to me Cathy thinks “her choices in life” is the only way and tries to convince others to follow her recommendation. I’m probably more health conscious than she is for myself and my dogs. I’m also a certified masseuse and know reflexology. I don’t go around preaching the foods I’m eating. I think it’s great she lives near a farm and purchases it directly from them. Not everyone #1 can afford the prices they charge, nor do they live close to a farm.

  • Gordon

    melissa – You know I alternate so-called higher grade grain free kibble (I say so-called due to trepidation) with raw, because of the fact it is more economical. I too, though, believe that such kibble are way lesser of evils than the mainstream garbage marketed. Hence, being way less evil than the latter, gives at least some credence to the fact that some middle ground or stable health benefits can be achieved.

    My JRT’s coat condition is a testament to that.

  • melissa

    Gordon-

    I don’t think we can ignore the fact that the lifespan of said captive wolves is double that in the wild. I know you believe the inclusion of kibble would simply be one of economics, however, no matter the reason its used, one simply can not ignore the apparent benefits. If the kibble were in fact determental, I would expect to likely see a decrease in life span, not a “double” the life span situation.

    Based on economics alone, I can only imagine that it is not “cheap” to obtain these animals and therefore in the zoos best interest to maintain them in the best way possible. Hence, why I have to wonder if the truth in feeding does not lie somewhere in the middle-ie quality kibble with raw or home cooked sporadically. Which then leads me to extrapolate and say that one could achieve the same results with a 5 star grain free food(guessing the kibble fed is grain free, but I could be vastly mistaken) and a 95 percent canned meat added.

  • Gordon

    It’s nice that you support another fellow poster. :) It’s a lonely feeling when one is fighting on their own.

    It’s like Oprah stated on her last shows…..Everyone seeks “validation”.

  • melissa

    Cathy-It takes two to participate and I believe Mike P’s comment was in fact directed to both of you. Interesting however that you wish to act as if it were only directed at Sandi-

    Wellll, I think everyone has a valid point. Quite frankly, when I go to a particular food thread, I am looking for information on that food, the good, the bad the ugly.

    I do not have problems with any one person recc their style of feeding or brand of food, because that is the system or product that they are familiar with. With that said, if one were looking for raw feeding info, they would not be on the dry kibble threads, would they? If I asked a question such as “does my dog need senior food” I would not find the comment about how I should feed “real food” ie raw helpful. If I wanted to feed my senior raw, I would be asking which raw food is best for a senior, or perhaps even not be on this site, but rather one dedicated to raw feeding. I have to admit, I often see this and feel like I am dealing with a telemarketer pushing their particular product. Just as annoying as if I answered everyone’s question with “you should be feeding Acana or Pro Pac”

    I have no problems with anyone expressing their opinions,personal experiences with a food, or facts-I do have a problem with statements of fact that are not actual fact, but rather mass hype that has been used-ie all Barf/raw fed dogs are healthier, kibble will kill your pet, yadda yadda when there are no actual long term studies that seem to prove these statements. It would be no more valid for me to say “raw will kill your dog from bacteria, punctured intestines and blockages” than the vast statements made about kibble. Some dogs will die from the above inflictions that I have stated, but not ALL.

    And, Sandi is correct-raw feeding or home cooked can be tantamount to “rocket science” Its not as easy as throwing the dog a hunk of raw chicken leg quarter and walking away. An improperly balanced menu can cause long term life issues-mineral & vitamin deficiency, and rickets are but two.

  • Gordon

    Yeah melissa, I know why you would probably think Dr. McKenzie wasn’t “overtly biased”, seen as though he is quite elegant and almost aloof in his take on it all. I read between the lines and IMO he is enormously biased, to the point I believe he wasn’t one of those brain washed Vet students, but a paid mainstream pet food industry advocate. Like I said just MO.

    Also, the only reason that zoos may mix kibble with raw food or alternate with it etc, would be for an economical one. Kibble produced on a mass scale is cheap, convenient, man conceived and made, and further from Nature’s intention as it could ever get re food. Money rules all and everything, including you and I. If any zoologist uses kibble to feed captive wolves, it has absolutely nothing to do with improving the life span or quality of life. Although, their captive care and nurturing along with anti-parasite meds and what have they, could feasibly contribute to a greater life longevity in captivity, IMO.

    Shameless – it’s better that we all don’t go down that same road with “back and forth” or tit for tat, that we’ve already been through with another. We’re all adults here and Mike P is right…It is actually dead boring! I hate to keep justifying what has already been done so, and having to re-explain what I have already explained etc. It’s tiresome.

    You can say and/or recommend and/or advise what your opinion is to whomever you want and under which ever thread you want. It’s your, mine and everybody elses solemn right, with out having to answer to someone elses, ‘Nanny State control attempt’, for a lack of a better description. I’m not referring to Mike, but rather, other fellow posters.

  • http://www.whosyourvet.com Sandi

    Mike P – I totally agree with you. Apparently you haven’t been in the same position as myself.

    “Can you imagine a first time reader seeing these post ??”

    They will think the best way to feed their pet is “raw” and perhaps because some people post more than others, they might think they are the “moderators”.

    Shameless – I find it very amusing you think you have a halo around your head when in fact you’re the one setting the fire. Take a look at all your posts, including to others. Why is it no one else wanted more details “but your tidbit about the independent pet stores survey wasn’t useful to me at all.” What are you planning to do with the info or do you just like to make things more difficult? It hasn’t been a picnic for me . It’s fine with me that you don’t respond to anything I post. In fact, you’re doing me a big favor!! Gee, now I can’t plug my book due to your nasty & untrue remarks.

  • ShamelessRawFoodie

    This is crap, Mike P, I agree.
    Sandi – I’ve responded to your numerous questions and outlandish assertions, hoping it might appease you. But your style is contrary to anything I find acceptable (although it is a bit entertaining in an odd way). If you ask me more questions, I plan to ignore you. You can continue to whine and complain if that is your pleasure.

  • Mike P

    This back and forth on who said this and who said that is really starting to get boring . I remember Jonathon saying we should not be food Nazi’s and he was dead right . I for one am going to stay away from here for awhile. I hope when I come back there isn’t all these cat fights going on . Can you imagine a first time reader seeing these post ?? They might have one simple question and they get pummled with how they should feed …Man I need a break from all this crap ..