Hill’s Prescription Diet C/D Canine (Dry)

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Rating: ☆☆☆☆☆

Hill’s Prescription Diet C/D Canine dry dog food is not rated due to its intentional therapeutic design.

Notes and Updates

12/15/2010 Original review
12/04/2013 Last Update

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  • Peck Kale

    Yes… My daughter’s dog was put on it. He gained weight… Fast and a lot of it!
    A bit of research and he was taken off that crap and put on the Solid Gold Berry Balance…. He stopped peeing blood.

  • Peck Kale

    Go natural:

    Stones:
    Solid Gold Berry Balance

    Cancer:
    Life Gold – Dog Cancer Support

  • Peck Kale

    Don’t feed your dog that crap! Give him this for Stones:
    Solid Gold Berry Balance Dog & Cat Supplement

    And this for Cancer:
    Life Gold – Dog Cancer Support

  • Canine Paws Abilities

    anyone familiar with hills prescription diet k/d?

  • Maria Salinas

    I need help, My doggy luka was peeing blood so we took him to the vet and he we got him on anitbiotics. They did a urinalysis Xray and an ultrasound and they found crystals and sediment in his urine. We had just switched his diet to Just Food For Dogs, that day we had heard that their diet is really balanced and i believe in feeding him as natural as possible. When we went back to the Vet they got him on The Hills Prescription Diet, And the only animal ingredients it has are egg product, chicken fat, and pork liver. I am not sure why people feed their dogs so poorly but there are no vegetables and a bunch of chemicals. I am literally freaking out. Anyone got any reviews on this food?

  • aimee

    No doubt you can find individual vets who recommend bone chewing but on a pure numbers basis I’ll bet they are a very small percentage of the general vet population. I noted this one did not recommend against weight bearing bones and in fact seems to prefer bones without a lot of meat??

    I did get a good snicker out of the “this is easily fixed” comment. It reminded me of an incident I was involved in. It was after a funeral and at the deceased’s home where a luncheon was being held. One of the guests gave the deceased’s dog a chicken leg. The bone was cooked but I don’t see why this couldn’t have happened with a raw bone. Dog was in distress and someone got me cause they knew I was “into dogs” I was told the dog will not hesitate to bite… and they were right! No way I was going to be able to open that dogs mouth safely. I gave the dog some more chicken and while it was munching caught glimpse of the problem. Bone wedged across the upper arcade. I decided to tackle the problem vs having to tell the deceased’s husband that the dog needed to go to the vet. One large bath towel, a pair of needle nose pliers, and a roll of duct tape later I got the dang thing out fingers intact!

    Another “easily removed” bone I knew about was a dog to whom the owner fed a raw chicken breast . Dog was in severe respiratory distress, rushed to vet where it was immediately sedated and a scope was used to remove the offending bone. Thank goodness for pet insurance to cover the bill except the insurance company refused the claim stating bones are a known risk and since the owner purposely gave the bone to the dog it wasn’t covered!

    Did you catch the post in the forum about the dog regurgitating turkey neck bones in the middle of the night? The poster said she crushes them with a mallet now before feeding.

    We are all shaped by our experiences. Anecdotal evidence is the weakest kind on both sides of the “coin”. I don’t disagree that bone chewing cleans crowns, but after reviewing expert opinion I don’t think the benefit outweighs the risk for my dogs.

    Here is a resource documenting that clean crowns and healthy appearing gingiva does not rule out periodontal disease.

    http://www.toothvet.ca/PDFfiles/perio_hidden.pdf

  • theBCnut

    Angel’s about 13 lbs. She gets chicken, turkey, duck, and rabbit, any bone will do. She gets pork, goat, and lamb ribs. She can handle bones that you would think are a bit big for her just fine. She loves skull pieces from anything.

  • dchassett

    Hi “nut”. How much does your JRT weigh (he’s your smallest I think) and what type bones do you give him. My girls are 5 lbs, 6 lbs. and 7 lbs. Thx.

  • thea615

    All of the above.

  • thea615

    I know you don’t know what you’re talking about! Cigarettes don’t give you cancer until they do. Just because your dog hasn’t fractured a tooth yet doesn’t mean he won’t. Just the fact that you won’t consider asking a specialist tells me everything I need to know about you.

  • Shawna

    Eating unsterilized RMB (especially off the ground outside) exposes the chewer to bacteria/soil based organisms. And many who feed species appropriate foods give high quality probiotics and/or foods like kefir in addition to the species appropriate diet. We all know probiotics make the gut and whole body healthier. It is also advantageous to the oral cavity.

    “In a more compelling study, Swedish scientists showed in 2006 that they could reverse symptoms of gingivitis through the use of another probiotic species in adults with moderate-to-severe inflammation.33 After just two weeks, subjects who received probiotics demonstrated a reduced amount of plaque and inflammation, compared with the placebo group.

    Numerous clinical and laboratory studies have confirmed and clarified the ways in which probiotic organisms contribute to a reduction in plaque and hostile organism colonization.34-38″ http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2009/jul2009_Optimal-Oral-Health-Reduces-Degenerative-Diseases_01.htm

  • theBCnut

    My experience, and my dentist has stated likewise, is that periodontal disease usually starts after gingivitis has advanced. Gingivitis starts because of irritation and swelling at the gumline because the gumline is not kept clean. The constant irritation and swelling causes the gingiva to become softer and looser around the teeth, which then allows food particles and bacteria to enter the periodontal space. If the gumline remains firm and healthy, you are unlikely to get these other issues. There are other ways to get periodontal disease, but they are not nearly as likely. So bones keeping the crown clean should help prevent periodontal disease.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Exactly. I’m not saying it’s not possible for a dog that has clean crowns to have a subgingival issue but I feel that if the breath is good and the visible portion of the teeth are clean that it’s likely that subgingivally things are healthy or at least not horrible. On the other hand, take a typical oder gibble fed dog with tons of build-up and bad breath and what do you think is going on under those gums? Probably a lot and none of it good.

  • theBCnut

    This statement isn’t backed by research, it is only my experience of 14 years in vet offices and 40 years of dog training and care. I have never seen a dog with clean white teeth have loose or infected teeth due to perio disease. Every dog we ever saw with lost, loose, or infected teeth had tartar build up on the crowns. Dogs that chew bones and have clean crowns also have firm healthy pink gumlines. Specifically, my JRT came to me after having had a teeth cleaning yearly all her life and needing another one, four in four and a half years(SD fed). Since I got her she has had zero cleanings and keeps clean healthy teeth, no perio. I don’t brush.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    I believe that dogs that consume RMBs have better dental health because I’ve observed it in my own dogs. When previous dogs (that ate kibble) were older they had horrible breath and yellow teeth caked with buildup – my dogs used to get rawhide to, my mom would pick up rawhides for them at Agway all the time. Gertie and Mabel have great teeth and great breath (well, maybe great breath is a strong word, but it doesn’t smell bad lol). Gus even had nice teeth when he was a senior. My grandmother’s dog – who is only 2 (about the same age as Mabel and a year and a half younger than Gertie) eats kibble and already has considerable buildup on her teeth. I should also add that she gets the types of dental chews that veterinarians deem “safe” on a daily basis – my grandmother gets her the petrodex rawhides, greenies and dentastix. Now I realize that concerning Gertie and Mabel a direct comparison cannot be done because I brush their teeth however I did not brush Gus’s teeth and he had significantly better dental health than any of my prior dogs and even my grandmother’s dog who was almost seven years younger than him. My boyfriend has a dog who is the same age that Gus was and he has horrible teeth, he buys him rawhides from the vet and gives him milk bones (also recommended by the vet for his dental health *shudder*) and his teeth are about half covered with black buildup. Yes, I’ll agree with you that even in a dog that appears to have clean teeth things could be going on subgingivally – which is why I’ve never suggested to anyone that feeding RMBs is a substitute for teeth brushing and why I regularly brush my own dogs’ teeth despite the fact that they consume RMBs – however there’s no doubt in my mind, based on my observations, that dogs that consume RMBs tend to have better dental health than dogs not consuming RMBs all other things equal.

    And I just don’t accept that feeding appropriate RMBs is dangerous. If it were as dangerous as this vet is making it out to be, I’m certain that one of my dogs would have experienced a complication by now. I’ve heard of many more complications because of rawhide – an individual that was on the board of directors at my shelter had her Akita die when a rawhide chew became lodged in his throat. Because of this we aren’t allowed to feed any rawhide products at the shelter – they all get donated or disposed of. To me recommending rawhide as safe but calling RMBs dangerous is like the pot calling the kettle black. I’ve never claimed that RMBs are risk free however I feel that the risk is minimal and that the benefits they offer far outweigh the risks. The only risk free form of feeding would be not feeding.

    Many vets would disagree with the veterinarian in the article you posted. This is an excerpt from an article titled “Dental Disease in Dogs and Cats” from Ingleburn Vet Clinic:

    Feeding your dog or cat raw bones at least 2-3 times every week is perhaps the most important thing you can do to ensure the health of their teeth and gums. Chewing through bone and cartilage, and tearing the meat off the bone, exercises and cleans the entire tooth, right up to the gum line. Normal dry food will not clean your pet’s teeth. Whilst it is still possible for raw bones to become lodged in your pet’s mouth, this is uncommon, and easily fixed. So don’t be afraid to feed raw bones. You should avoid large hard bones like beef femurs, and any split long bones, which can sometimes fracture the teeth.”

    [http://www.ingleburnvet.com.au/pdfs/dental.pdf]

  • aimee

    I think I can see where your confusion comes from in regards to what I have said. I make a clear distinction between clean crowns( cosmetic) and perio problems (oral/dental health).

    I do not use these terms interchangeably. Clean crowns does not equal oral health. This is why when I said the studies didn’t show a benefit of bone chewing to oral health I clarified by saying perio problems. I did acknowledge that bone chewing leads to cleaner crowns “Chewing this type of material can lead to cleaner crowns.. but that is
    somewhat cosmetic. I think the studies that looked at dental health
    (perio problems) didn’t show a benefit.”

    So yes when people have posted in the past that kibble doesn’t have any benefits to cleaning teeth over canned food I have said that there is a study that concluded that there was benefit to cleaning crowns. What I did not say was that this equated to better dental health( less perio)

    What Dr Mike questioned and I concurred with him was in regards to the authors conclusion in regards to perio problems. The authors went further to state that the kibble fed dogs had fewer perio problems. As I recall they based this on visual exam and the size of the submandibular LN. Perio though can’t be detected by visual exam. So we really don’t know the oral health ( perio) effect.

    In summary I have not said kibble promotes better dental health over alternate feeding forms I have said kibble promotes cleaner crowns. I make a distiction between the two as they are not the same.

    RMB’s also clean crowns and I’m sure they do so much better than kibble BUT as the studies found clean crowns doesn’t equate with less perio. The dogs /cats fed bones had cleaner crowns but there wasn’t a difference in dental health ( perio)

    “why is this vet saying that VOHC approved products will help control plaque and calculus build-up but a RMB won’t??” He didn’t say that RMB won’t help plaque and calculus, in fact the he acknowledges that they do “may help remove plaque and calculus…”. The author is saying if the dog needs something to chew to clean crowns he recommends flat rawhide instead of bones. Based on his experience as a dentist he sees less dental trauma from flat rawhide than RMB’s He is saying large bones cause fractures and poultry bones ( those you consider appropriate bones )”are far less likely to cause dental fractures” But he feels “fragments of small soft bone can become lodged between teeth and below the gum line to act as sources of periodontal infection”.

    Do you firmly believe that dogs chewing RMB’s have less periodontal problems? What are you basing this on? I agree that dogs given regular access to RMB’s have clean crowns but it has been shown over and over again that a clean crown does not mean a healthy tooth.

  • Kimi_Forever

    Thats great. Thanks!

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Hi Kimi –

    Sorry, I somehow missed this post yesterday.

    Yes, the reason I said that I feel it would be safe to feed Orijen LBP and replace about ~20% with a canned all meat product (such as Tripett) or fresh meat is because the product is so close to being withing the “safe” calcium intake range. Actually, Orijen give a guaranteed min and max calcium level – the min is within the safe range and the max is only slightly over. With a food that was excessively high in calcium and way over the safe range I wouldn’t recommend this because it wouldn’t be possible to add enough meat to lower the ratio of the food without throwing the balance all off.

    The reason canned foods have the substitution recommendations that they do is because canned foods are less calorically dense than kibble (due to high moisture content) and thus they can’t be substituted in a 1:1 ratio. The general rule of thumb is that 1 large can of food (12-13 oz.) is equivalent of 1 cup of dry kibble. Don’t stress to much about getting exactly 20%. For example say you’re feeding your dog 5 C. of kibble per day – what I would do is remove 1 C. of kibble and substitute with 1 large can or about 1 1/2 C. – 2 C. chopped fresh meat.

    I fed Gertie The Honest Kitchen and Tripett until she was about 8 months old. She would have needed about 5 C. of THK, I substituted 1 C. of THK for 1 can of Tripett and instead fed her 4 C. THK + 1 can Tripett per day.

    Hope that helps!

  • theBCnut

    My friend that has a 3/4 timber wolf 1/4 malamute that is 19 years old might care to argue about the lifespan of a wolf, since Malamutes aren’t know to live that long. I strongly disagree with breeding wolf hybrids, but this just goes to show that we really don’t know what the lifespan of a wolf might be, depending on which circumstances affect what variables.

  • theBCnut

    We are having temps in the low 90s. And they call me the Puppet Master, except when they call me the Big Dummy. I’m in charge of the whole group.

  • Crazy4cats

    Yes, end of the school year is crazy. My youngest graduated high school last year. BTW, I am going to stay at work in air conditioning today. After two months of 58 degree, rainy, cloudy, land slidey, terrible weather. It is going to be in the high 80s today here. Us Washingtonians are heat wimps. We will be melting!!!! Then back to 58 degrees for the weekend. LOL! Good luck with the puppet show. I can only imagine which puppet you are in charge of! :)

  • Cyndi

    It does make a difference if bones are cooked or raw. Raw bones are softer than cooked ones. Cooked bones dry out and splinter. My dog eats raw chicken backs and turkey necks and whole rabbit pieces. No broken teeth, just pearly white teeth with no tartar what so ever. I don’t need to talk to a veterinary dentist. I see the proof on my dog’s teeth myself.

    I don’t think you know what you’re talking about. I know a lot of people who feed raw and have never had a problem when it’s done right.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Wolves don’t live as long as domesticated canines? Hmm..I wonder if that’s because they’re eating bones or because they don’t receive any veterinary care, have to live outdoors and face the elements and have to hunt their own food. Comparing the lifespan of a domestic dog to that of a wolf is like comparing apples to oranges.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    I recall numerous occasions where someone has pointed out that kibble doesn’t provide dental benefits (to posters that come to this site under the impression that dry food will help to keep their dog’s teeth clean) and you have pointed out that there is research that supports that feeding kibble does keep dogs teeth cleaner (if I’m not mistaken you even got into a debate with Dr. Mike about it at one point). Then here, concerning RMBs, you state “the studies that looked at dental health (perio problems) didn’t show a benefit.” So you have argued in the past that kibble does promote better dental health (than alternate food forms) yet you’re now trying to state that RMBs don’t? I don’t think anyone needs to read a study to see that if it is indeed true that kibble can provide any dental benefits then RMB consumption surely would – just think of a dog eating a kibble versus chomping into an RMB.

    I’m also confused as to how the vet that has written this article can take a similar stance and state that bones don’t provide and real dental benefit and then go ahead and recommend rawhide (more specifically Purina brand rawhide – ironic) as a product that will support dental health. As I asked previously – how is the mechanism of a dental chew different than that of a RMB? Both clean the teeth through mechanical scraping – so why is this vet saying that VOHC approved products will help control plaque and calculus build-up but a RMB won’t??

    I’ve never suggested that feeding an RMB diet is a substitute for proper dental care (regular teeth brushing and/or veterinary cleanings) however I firmly believe that dogs fed RMB diets will have better dental health than dogs not fed RMBs, all other things being equal. I also do not believe that consuming appropriate RMBs puts a dog at any significant risk. The article doesn’t state how any of the cases in the article damaged their teeth – I have a sneaking suspicion that the these dogs weren’t eating appropriate bones. Most raw feeders – myself included – will tell people not to feed weight-bearing bones (which were more than likely the cause of these injuries). Also, many inexperienced raw feeders will feed oddly-shaped bones with sharp edges (like pork chops) or attempt to cut larger bones (like chicken quarters or breasts) into smaller pieces and then expose small sharp bits (like chicken ribs) which is dangerous. If appropriate bones (non-weight bearing) are fed in their whole form I’m unable to believe it’s risky until I see valid evidence to convince me otherwise (which this article was not). When one of my dogs has to get a tooth pulled after eating a turkey neck I’ll come back and admit I’m wrong but until then I stand by what I said in my op.

  • thea615

    It makes no difference if the bones are cooked or raw. They still cause splinter fractures of teeth. By the way, wolves and coyotes also fracture their teeth and don’t live nearly as long as domesticated canines. Talk to a veterinary dentist. I’m sure he will tell you the same thing. The antlers that are sold in pet stores are just as bad.

  • theBCnut

    Yeah, I’ve been having the normal end of the school year crazies. Between making sure my kids stay up with school work and grades, the dance, the school play, Night of the Arts, planning for next year, etc. I’ve been swamped. And that’s not including the puppet show, getting ready for VBS, signing up for camp, and the A/C dying. AAARRRGGGHHH!!!

  • Crazy4cats

    Ok, there she is. There’s our BCnut that I’ve been missing! LOL!

  • theBCnut

    Riding a bike can cause an arm fracture, in fact my aunt just broke her arm trying to walk, and yet we still take the risk every day. Are we all irresponsible? Owning horses is extremely dangerous, just ask your insurance agent. You’d better get rid of them quick. Life is a risk. It isn’t for the faint of heart. Sometimes you have to weigh the risk and decide what makes life worth living for you. BTW, in 40 years of dog ownership, the only tooth fracture my dogs have every had was from an adult dog that was chewing a puppy Nylabone. Excuse me if I’m not afraid of bones.

  • Shawna

    No doubt a raw feeding and recommending vet sees a biased population as well.

  • aimee

    No doubt a vet dentist sees a biased population. If their day is spent treating conditions that arise from bone chewing than yes they will be “biased” against bone chewing and promote a “fear factor” message based on their experience. I’ve yet to find a vet dentist recommend bones of any type.

    This particular vet dentist recommends flat rawhide, not all rawhide. I think that is an important difference.

    I don’t know if any data has been formally collected comparing rawhide vs bones. As for myself I personally know numerous bone complications dogs and not a single rawhide complication dog. I know they are out there, I just haven’t personally dealt with that issue. I’m sure a dog can choke on rawhide and die.. just as the shepherd I saw die in front of me from choking on a bone. That was traumatic for me to see and certainly plays a factor into why I’ll never give my dogs bones.

    To be fair Greenies didn’t carry a VOHC seal until after they were reformulated.

  • Kimi_Forever

    HDM, i was wondering if i could ask you another question, in regards to something that you suggested for me that i would like to do. You suggested to me that i could top Orijen LBP with real meat and or canned supplemental foods (like tripett) putting a 20% topper on the kibble to reduce the calcium intake (while also rotating with foods safely within the range). I was wondering, say if i use a split chicken breast as you suggested and i cook it and remove the bone as you suggested, how do i determine how much of that chicken breast to give to my dog to replace the 20% kibble i took away. I realize it’s hard to suggest to how much an individual dog needs to eat particularly a puppy. However i was wondering if there was some sort of general rule or something i could use to help me determine how much of a canned product or how much real meat to use to replace the kibble i’ve taken away. As i feel a little wary just guessing. And i also know that in addition calcium you do not want to overfeed your LBP either as that can cause problems. and i wanted to make sure i did not over or under feed when attempting to do this. Again any help or suggestion would be greatly appreciated as i do intend to do this with my new akita puppy and his kibble. thanks again for your help.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    I believe this to be another incidence of an anti-raw vet trying to create a “fear factor” for someone that is very unlikely to happen. SThere’s a huge difference between something being possible and something being likely. Is it possible that I could crash my car on the way to work tomorrow? Yes. Is it likely enough to make me not leave the house? No.

    I also find it funny that this particular vet warns against RMBs yet endorses rawhides. I’d be willing to bet many more dogs have experienced complications due to rawhide consumption than RMB consumption.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/south-carolina-dog-nearly-dies-after-consuming-rawhide

  • aimee

    I wasn’t referring specifically to fracture so much as trauma. Small shards of bone can wedge into tissue causing foreign bodies. I knew of someone whose dog had an abscess in the tonsil crypt and at surgery a small poultry bone shard was removed. Shards wedged between teeth or into the gingival sulcus can cause significant trauma. I don’t see that this would be an issue with a dental chew.

    Information can be found here from a dental vet http://www.toothvet.ca/PDFfiles/BARF.pdf

  • Kimi_Forever

    Thanks for the advice. Maybe ill just stick with something like Bully sticks Or tendons instead.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    So could you explain how the mechanism of consuming a raw meaty bone differs from that of a the various dental chews that have received the VOHC seal of approval (I’m assuming these types of chews have “studies” to back their efficacy)? What makes a RMB unsafe as it pertains to dental health – do you know of high incidence of tooth fracture with RMB consumption?

  • aimee

    Not HDM but I can say I know of someone who was at the vet about 20 min after bringing home an antler for her dog to chew on. The dog’s large premolar was fractured into three pieces. : (

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Not a silly question!

    If you dog is a heavy chewer I would suggest avoiding antlers.

    I’m also not a fan of the dried bones, I believe they run more of a risk of splintering. I did get my dogs the Ziwipeak deer hooves once and they had them all chewed up in no time, I ended up taking it away because I was afraid they’d swallow it.

  • aimee

    While I’d agree raw meaty bones are safer than weight bearing bones I wouldn’t consider then safe for dental health. Chewing this type of material can lead to cleaner crowns.. but that is somewhat cosmetic. I think the studies that looked at dental health (perio problems) didn’t show a benefit.

  • Kimi_Forever

    HDM: i have a question that you may know the answer to, on a related topic, if you have time. Do you think something like this would be safe to give a dog: http://www.ziwipeak.com/ziwipeak-oral-health/#product-1087

    Or Elk/Deer Antlers like this http://www.ziwipeak.com/ziwipeak-oral-health/#product-1083

    Or would those run the risk of my dog fracturing a tooth as a chew toy? Sorry if thats a silly question i was just considering them as chew toys. Thanks for any help.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    It’s possible for dogs to fracture their teeth on weight-bearing bones (such as marrow bones, knuckle bones, etc.) which is why it’s generally not recommended to feed these types of bones, especially not to heavy chewers. However raw meaty bones – not weight bearing bones – which comprise a large portion of a balanced raw diet pose to risk for fracturing teeth. A raw meaty bone (examples being turkey necks, chicken backs, etc.) are quite soft, sometimes even cartilage-like in texture. If you feel a turkey neck you’ll see that it’s no harder than any dental chews sold for pets. These raw meaty bones actually help maintain dental health – unlike kibble, they reach the gumline to help scrape away build-up. This is why raw fed dogs (in general) tend to have better dental health than other dogs.

  • Cyndi

    Cooked bones are bad for dogs. Raw meaty bones are very good for dogs and their teeth. How do you think wolves and coyotes survive eating their prey? They eat the bones and all.
    I feed my dog a complete raw diet, bones and all & she’s completely healthy.

  • Kimi_Forever
  • thea615

    Where the heck do you get your information? Responsible pet owners never, ever give their dogs bones, meaty or otherwise! Bones cause teeth to fracture, which is extremely painful for your pet and very expensive for the owner. Unfortunately, many people don’t consider their pet’s dental health.

  • InkedMarie

    What type of crystals? You probably already know this but its very important that your dog get enough moisture in his diet: raw, canned or dehydrated is best. If you must feed dry, add some canned and water to it. Make sure he has plenty of opportunity to urinate as well.

    I had a dog with struvite crystals so I know how frustrating it is. I did not need a special diet for him.

  • Jessica Amanda Salmonson

    His bladder became clogged with a LOT of tiny muddy crystals. The C/D diet is supposed to keep it from happening again. So I can’t just get him something highly rated that might not protect his bladder.

  • InkedMarie

    Forgive me if you’ve already mentioned it but what issues does your dog have? I’m noting favor of vet diets if less it’s a real medical necessity.

    You should keep the upc’s if you throw out the bags. You will need them if you have a problem with the food for sick dogs.

  • Jessica Amanda Salmonson

    Hills C/D Prescription Dogfood had a really nice sounding discount coupon to mail in. But I realized I didn’t have the veterinarian’s receipt that was required, so I went back and got it, though that was annoying.

    Then I filled out the tiny form on the coupon, read the miniscule super-tiny print, wherein I saw that I also had to cut two proof of purchases off of two bags, but I had already thrown out the first of the two sacks I had!

    Then it dawned on me. Someone at the company had the wise idea, “Let’s have a really great sounding deal, but make it way too onerous for anyone to bother, and we’ll rarely have to honor the deal!”

    I’m now doing the research and consulting with another vet in a couple days, to find out what other food options will meet my dog’s special requirements. Has to be something so I’m not tied to this dubious product.

    And who else has noticed that the canned C/D always smells a little different each batch? Sometimes it smells almost edible, other times downright rotten! With gummy gooy white bits poorly mixed in. And the kibble ingredients, some of the things we’re often warned to avoid feeding our pets that’s always in cheap unhealthy dogfoods, some of those are in this prescription dogfood!

    There’s got to be a more honest company that doesn’t jerk people around and has a higher quality of ingredients. I’m thinking Wysong will turn out to be a better option. Any information y’ll can share would be appreciated.

  • Joyce

    Nice to see someone who know something about dog nutrition. Wysong makes great products !

  • talbot

    Here’s my experience with Hills prescription CD. Our 6 lb yorkie developed kidney stones at age 10. After surgery the vet recommended Hills prescription CD . He thrived on it , no more crystals forming. He lived another 5 yrs with no other problems and passed of old age.

    Prior to that our pup ate Hills Science Diet small breed kibble, Pedigree small bites, or Canidae.

    My opinion, pets are like people. Some have naturally great health, some have allergies to certain foods & some develop physical conditions . Others have genetic health issues (which I blame breeders) If an animal has a known genetic health condition, you don’t keep breeding to pass it along to puppies.

    We do the best we can for our beloved friends and only hope pet food companies think the same . Let’s face it, if the product is safe, & good pet owners will buy it .

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  • ttflutegal

    For those of you who don’t like the ingredients in the standard prescription diets (Science Diet and Royal Canin), you may want to check out Wysong’s prescription diets (see http://www.wysong.net/vet/rxdiets/). I haven’t tried them but they seem to have meat as their primary ingredients. They also have two supplements, Biotic pH- and Biotic pH+, that are designed to help dog/cat urine be more acidic or more alkaline to prevent various crystal types from forming (http://www.wysong.net/cat-dog-supplements.php).

  • LabsRawesome

    You don’t need a degree. Nutrition isn’t rocket science, it’s pretty much common sense. And anyway, if you don’t have anything constructive to add to the conversation, why are you here? Just to make rude remarks?

  • LabsRawesome

    LMAO. You should be sad for yourself.

  • Shawna

    Would you mind explaining your comment Celestial345? Whose ignorant and why?

  • Celestial345

    The ignorance on here makes me very sad for many of you. :(.

  • Celestial345

    Lawofraw, can you please state where your degree is from? Thanks.

  • LawofRaw

    Yeah, take your Maltese off Hills full stop for starters. Then have a thorough read over some great posts regarding alternatives to this problem. Good luck. Actually stick with the Hills as briefly as possible, until you’re aware of all the alternatives that are available to you.

    In brief, such alternatives, and what you should be doing anyway, are, making sure your dog has plenty of fresh water at all times. Feed your dog a diet of mainly raw real foods. Such are raw meaty bones, offal and table scraps based close to the prey model, or feed BARF style raw foods, or home made fresh and real foods. All such can help make your dog’s urine more acidic as it naturally should be, to combat urinary tract crystalisation. Alow your dog to urinate as frequently as it needs to. Does your Maltese live in an apartment? This can be a problem if it can’t urinate when nature calls.

  • malteselover

    my vet just put my maltese on hills c/d and i was wondering what else could i do to help him with his crystals?

  • Guest

    Yeah, and so those pet food company equivalents of cigarette companies, need to go bust and shown the door of your property and told “goodbye” for good! :)

  • Guest

    Start by transitioning your dog to simple raw meaty bones. Make sure they’re raw and not cooked. Then watch the magic of nature transform your dog’s health. It won’t be overnight, but it will happen within weeks, A few weeks into it, add raw offal to the diet. Depending on the severity of poor processed pet foods such as this one your dog may have been on, and the period of time it was fed such, may determine the rate of recovery and repair to your dog’s system and normal natural functions.

    It’s like smokers’ quitting cigarettes and transitioning to breathing fresh, crisp air straight from a pristine wilderness.

  • Guest

    L.Byrd, I will just copy and paste what I and another poster recently stated under another thread, in case you ever come back to check for a response which I’m surprised no one else has seemed to do after 6 months, given there are a handful of really genuine posters on here. Probably missed your post.

    If you don’t want to or not sure how to feed raw and want to stick with the alternative holistic kibble brands over this terrible product then the following good advice from Shawna may be something to consider depending on the now “propensity to UTI” you claim, thanks to your dog’s life saving urethrostomy, which would make sense that such a procedure would predispose your dog’s urethra to UTI’s thanks to bad bacteria more than otherwise wouldn’t.

    Shawna wrote in response to another person’s query, “I would also, in addition to what
    the others have said, look into a product called d-mannose if your pup’s UTIs are caused by e-coli (which over 90% are). D-mannose is a sugar derived from cranberries that e-coli attach to. They will let go of the urinary tract wall to get the mannose and then are just urinated out. I JUST finished a round on a dog is suspected of having a UTI —
    licking the area, small and frequent urination etc. The “sugar” is not the kind like table sugar and won’t cause any negative problems like table sugar. D-mannose can be used to “prevent” UTI’s by pulsing it in the diet.

    Vet Dr. Karen Becker talks about d-mannose for UTI’s in this article.:) — ps, this article is geared towards cats but mannose works in
    cats, dogs, cattle, humans etc as well… http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2010/01/06/prevent-urinary-tract-infection-in-cats.aspx

    If you are interested in feeding raw, nature’s intended food for dogs and cats, then the following is something to also consider re UTI’s that I wrote in a response to the same poster’s query, “The best food to feed your dog is a diet entirely of raw meaty bones and a smaller percentage of raw offal, plus variation of species etc, full stop. This is irrespective of whether your dog has UTI’s or not. However, especially UTI’s because your dog’s urine PH will be aided in reverting back to being more acidic than alkaline. In addition to this, since raw foods contain 60 to 80 % water (Think of us live humans when you learned at school that we are basically made up of about 70% water), the urine will be less concentrated, hence less chance of forming crystals (struvite), hence minimise infection.

    A raw meaty bone a day, helps keep the vet away! ”

    “The other thing that I wanted to further elaborate (instead of assuming that you either know or not re acidity) as to why you want to have your dog’s urine more acidic as nature has intended it to be, is because the more acidic it is, the more defence against bacteria and the ability to kill or clear such infection caused by bacteria, it has, because of acidic action. Nature’s design is astonishing. ”

    Another poster also brought up a good point and wrote, “And emptying the bladder more often helps to keep UTIs in check because
    the bladder isn’t sitting there with a lot of bacteria in it for as many
    hours before draining.” This is something to consider especially for those that keep dogs indoors such as overnight, or if they live in apartments etc and such dogs learn to hold it in longer than normal.

  • aimee

     To Laney7747 and Carolyn,

    The type of stone is important to know how to prevent recurrence. If you are dealing with infection induced struvite stones the key is to monitor and the treat infections. Addressing reasons as to why the dog is infection prone is also important. 

    Good information about stones can be found here.

     http://www.cvm.umn.edu/depts/minnesotaurolithcenter/recommendations/home.html

  • Laney7747

    My dog has had two operations for bladder stones, thus she cannot have another one. They were approx. 8 months apart and the second one was the size of a large almond. She was in bad shape but made it thru the operation. She was put on Hills c/d. But after reading the article above, I would like to find something better for her (she is 2-1/2 years old). She also needs something to chew on that wouldn’t hurt her. Are raw carrots good for that and would they be bad for her bladder condition?

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  • Carolyn

    What alternatives are there for Hills c/d?  I would like to feed a better quality food without risking the formation of another stone.  

  • Pattyvaughn

    If you need to acidify his urine, ask your vet what he recommends you add to his regular food to acidify it.  Most people add vitamin C to their dog or cat food if they need an acidifier.  But I don’t know how much as I’ve never had a problem myself.

  • L.Byrd

    I was wondering if anyone had some alternatives to feeding this food.  My male dog had a urethrostomy more then a year ago, this leaves him with a propensity to UTI.  He has had a couple since then which were treated with antibiotics and all was clear, with this last UTI check he had high Ph levels and high crystal count and my vet is recommending Hills C/D.  I very much like and trust my vet (been with him for years and multiple dogs, Not many would have caught the infection that resulted in it only being a urethrostomy, rather then him ending up being put down, and it is not a routine surgery that my vet was able to do with casual competence) and think that he would be fine with me feeding an alternative that had the same ‘features’ but what I deem to be better ingredients.  I have been feeding Acana Wild prarie for about a year but within the last month changed him to the Chicken and potato flavor just because he seems to get very bored with his food and a flavor change helps.  The wild Prarie is grain free but the Chicken isn’t.  My dog is a 75lb black lab mix who is very active and healthy but hard to keep weight on.  If he’ll eat it, he needs to eat at least 6 cups Acana per day to stay at a good weight.
    I am also going to talk with my vet about the change in this uti situation and alternatives to the hills but any advice or recommendations anyone on here could give me would be very much appreciated and helpful.

    Thanks.

  • Betsy Greer

    Hi Linda,

    Thanks you so much for the feedback!  I appreciate your opinion!  : )  I took my friend a bag of NV Prairie (Chicekn) and a can of pumpkin at Noon today.  From the looks of the stains on her carpet, the stoll was definitely NOT formed.  (yikes)  I think both the barf and loose stools had been periodic during the switch; but, my friend also admitted today that she probably didn’t transition her as slowly as she should’ve.    My friend lives about  a 45 minute drive from Dr. Becker.  I might suggest to her that she try to get Phoebe in to see her.  Thanks again!

  • Melissaandcrew

     Hi Linda jack-

    Welcome and stay around for a while : ) We can always use new and fresh minds to add to conversations around here!

    Melissa

  • Linda Jack

    If by “barf” she means the food is coming back up intact, that’s not vomiting, it’s regurgitation, which comes from eating too fast and can be easily solved.  If the poop in the house is formed stool (not diarrhea), that is also solvable.  If she gradually switched food weeks ago and the “barf” and pooping in house just started it’s unlikely to be related to the food.  Bland food is not a bad idea regardless, but she might want to talk to a good vet about what’s going on.  Doesn’t sound like the Acana to me. – L Jack (DVM)

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    Well, I stopped at the pet store after work to get a bag of Nutrisource for my friend and they didn’t have any small bags in stock. Apparently, the warehouse was out of stock and they won’t have any small bags until Monday. : ( So, I started looking and reading and I decided on a bag of Nature’s Variety Prairie. That seemed like a good compromise. I also picked up a bag of Fruitables pumpkin & mango treats and I’ll take her a can of pumpkin from my stockpile. I feel better now. Hopefully, my friend’s pup will, too! : )

  • Betsy Greer

    Hi Shawna,

    I printed the article and just reserved the book you suggested. I’ll get the book myself and photocopy the chapter you mentioned for my friend (shhh… don’t tell the copyright police). I feel so bad, I want to do whatever I can to help.

    I think I’ll go ahead and grab the Nutrisource for her this evening also. (She mentioned she was almost finished with the Acana I gave her anyway.). I used it briefly when Sam got sick and I needed to get him off of the Pro Plan ASAP, and he tolerated it really well. I guess it still sticks in my mind that the rep I met at the pet store that day described Nutrisource as “bland.” Would bland just be a not so nice sounding way to describe something that was easily digested?

    Thank you, as always, for your advice! : )

  • Shawna

    Hi Betsy ~~ this poor dog has been on C/D for 8 to 9 years???  Awwwwwww :(  The ingredients in C/D, as you know, are HORRIBLE….

    It is very likely, in my opinion, that ANY food with better quality ingredients is going to cause a reaction due to the quality of C/D and the length of time on the food.

    Have your friend read this article by Veterinary Naturopaths Dr. Thomason and Dr. Bloomer  http://www.thewholedog.org/artHealingCrisis.html

    Also have her check out Dr. Goldsteins book “The Nature of Animal Healing” from her local library and read the chapter on detoxing.  If she understands what is happening to her pup she may have an easier time dealing with it…  Better yet, if there is a holistic vet that she can see or call that would be absolute best….

    Of course, there may be something in Acana that doesn’t agree with pup but I’ll bet money that any high quality food is going to cause some type of symptoms at first.  It is the nature of healing…

    Richard and Toxed have both been through pretty nasty detoxes.  They can both tell you how uncomfortable they can be but it is necessary for ultimate healing and health..

  • Betsy Greer

    Mornin’ guys!  : )

    A question on behalf of a co-worker.  She has a 9 year old Bichon who had “stones” (the specific type of which she isn’t certain) as a puppy, and had to have them surgically removed.  The poor pup has been on Hill’s Prescription C/D dry food ever since.  :’ (   I recently gave her a bag of Acana Grasslands and at first, her pup loved it.  She made a gradual transition from the old to the new food.  Now, several weeks later, her dog is barfing and pooping all over the house.  It didn’t just start, it’s actually been going on intermittently for a couple of weeks now.  I feel terrible!  Especially since Acana Grassland’s barf is black and my friend has white carpet.  My friend doesn’t feel the Acana is working and is looking for something else.  I would agree ~ loose stools are one thing, but barf is something different.  Am I wrong about this?

    So, I had recommended Nutrisource grain free to my friend to try after the Acana as she needed something she could buy locally and needed something more affordable. 

    Now, my friend and I were talking and she said she felt like she needed something “really bland.”  So, now, I’m half way wondering if regular Nutrisource adult chicken and rice (which is not grain free) might be good ~ it would be taking a step back from the Acana and the composition (protein, fat, carbs) probably more similar to what she was eating in the Hills Rx, but better quality ingredients. 

    What do you think about this recommendation?  Would you suggest something different? 

    My friend and I appreciate your help!   

  • InkedMarie

    Who are you speaking to?

  • Shawna

    Vets speak out about Science Diet

    “Koda: At least I tried to explain it as best I could. Really. :-( Truth is, it’s a tremendously confusing topic for most of us. So I’ll try it again (because I really want you to get it):

    Science Diet’s S/D, like most other commercial diets out there, has been shown to meet pets’ basic nutritional needs as we understand them. Problem is, those basic needs are 1) not as well understood as we’d like them to be, and 2) the requirements of pets who eat these foods only demand that they live lives that are as long, on average, as other pets do. In other words, it’s not a very high bar we’ve set for our pet food companies.

    Pets, like us, would likely benefit from fresh foods, high quality ingredients and a wide variety of ingredients that are appropriate to their individual species needs. Foods like S/D are not trying real hard to offer this. They’re working hardest to guarantee that the basic nutrients they know pets need are included in their food. Nothing sinister about that, right?

    Nonetheless, there are plenty of foods out there that can promise to meet pets’ basic needs and offer high quality, biologically appropriate ingredients. Some brands will even deliver fresh versions of these diets. To my way of thinking, these are the foods I’d rather recommend.

    No, S/D is not “bad,” but there’s definitely way better out there. And there’s nothing wrong with pointing out that a pet food most people assume is top-of-the-line might not be so fantabulous.

    In my opinion, the folks at Hill’s have earned the scrutiny they receive based on their self-promotion on the basis of “quality.” After all, “quality” should mean they strive for better. But when I compare their labels to other pet foods, it’s clear they don’t.

    Dr. Patty Khuly http://www.petmd.com/blogs/fullyvetted
    http://www.dogster.com/forums/Food_and_Nutrition/thread/672947/6

  • Shawna

    Should we also suggest that people quit having snakes, turtles, amphibians etc as pets?

    Do we also suggest that we quit eating peanut butter, alfalfa sprouts, spinach etc?  Oh and dogs quit eating kibble?

    Meat isn’t a source of salmonella.  Just like spinach and peanut butter, it has to be contaminated by someone/something already contaminated.

  • Shawna

    Hills C/D is for “bladder stones” — including struvite

    “Controlled levels of calcium, magnesium, phosphorus and oxalate to help limit the building blocks of crystals and bladder stones”  http://www.hillspet.com/products/pd-feline-cd-multicare-feline-bladder-health-dry.html

    They used to put methionine in the foods but the result was oxalate stones..  So they reformulated.

  • Katie

     I would be careful with Blue, my cat (as well as many others that I have seen at my clinic or belong to friends) developed triphosphate crystals after only a month on Blue Basics and subsequently blocked within a day of showing first signs of UTI. Just wanted to share my own experience. Oh and the other cats were on various types of Blue foods (Basics, Healthy Living, etc)

  • Bannermanjoyce

    I agree, Vets seem to know NOTHING about good dog food..Nor do they seem to care.shame on them. But they are the ones making money when your pet gets sick.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Andreaantonelli –

    Have you read “Human Health Implications of Salmonella-Contaminated Natural Pet Treats and Raw Pet Food”? This was an article cited in the AVMA’s recent policy against raw food. Quoted directly from the article:

    “The increasing popularity of raw food diets for companion animals is another potential pet-associated source of Salmonella organisms; however no confirmed cases of salmonellosis have been associated with these diets.”

    Since reputable sources have recognized that there have been no cases of salmonella in humans associated with raw food diets I’m wondering where all these humans that have contracted salmonella from barf diets in your emergency room have come from? Huh.

  • Andreaantonelli

    Yep and it’s even better when humans contract salmonella and come into our emergency room

  • Andreaantonelli

    What are your qualifications. Do you have a DVM of a PHD or even a Masters in Nutrition.

  • Want2run4ever

    Hills CD food is for calcium oxalate not struvite otherwise I have no opinion… this food is for a very specific type of urinary issue otherwise you would feed KD or royal canin SO… most dogs/cats are put on CD after either urine testing or crystal testing to see which type they have. An alkalizing effect will prevent calcium oxalate stones which is why thee content of this food varies with the preferred rating of this site

  • Michaelcomaha

    Years ago I had quite a discussion with a Hill’s Science Diet rep who was in a vet’s office I was at for an appointment.  I pointed out the lousy ingredients they used and how much they charged, she kept going back to the nutritional lable (percentage of protein, fat, water etc).  She was quite arrogant.  I think the vets in our area (Omaha, Nebraska) get brainwashed by Hill’s in vet school.  I suspect Hill’s spends lots of money on those vet schools in order to get into those future vets’ heads early.

  • Kate Thea

    Look into BARF diets – you can make them at home and they are extremely effective!

  • Kate Thea

    Look into BARF diets – I recommend them for all dogs but they are particularly effective for UTIs and stones.

  • Kate Thea

    I would just like to point out that for urinary tract infections or bladder stones, which this diet is aimed at, a diet high in meat and low in plant matter is recommended to acidify the urine to a pH of ~6.2. Since this food is mostly plant-based it will have an alkalizing effect on the urine and exacerbate struvite formation and bacterial growth.

  • Julia MN

    I became disenchanted with Hills and all Rx foods after they nearly killed my cat.  He was diagnosed with struvite crystals.  They put him Rx food.  Then he got Calcium oxylate crystals and
    required surgery.  They switched him to a
    different Rx food.  Back and forth, between
    struvite and oxylate crystals, between different Rx foods, for 2 years.  Thousands of dollars in emergency vet bills and a lot
    of research later, I finally called Hill’s to vent my frustration.  I had seen a research journal article online detailing
    a study done in OH.  It showed that
    feeding canned food (ANY canned food) or adding water to dry food was just as
    effective, if not more so, than feeding the recommended Rx diet.  What was Hill’s response to this? They were unaware
    of the study.  But, I had called just in time to take advantage of a deal they were offering on their new improved Rx food, they could send me out coupons asap.  I asked- why the food had been improved?  They responded that due to their own research study findings, they had determined that the previous formulations was TOO EFFECTIVE at making the urine too basic/acdic.  So they had altered the formula accordingly. 
     
    In essence, they had made my cat sicker than he would have been otherwise.    
    Suffice to say, I told them
    what they could do with their coupons.  How dare they sell this crap to vets even after they knew it was ineffective AND that it would make him SICKER than had he stayed on his previous diet.  8
    years later, my boy is still healthy eating homemade mixed with Blue Buffalo.  Oh, and since I switched?  I haven’t had to make ANY trips to the
    emergency vet and my boy hasn’t had to suffer through surgery or catheterization
     or had his long-term health possibly compromised
    by a company more intent on profits that on providing a high-quality, well-balanced food for
    animals with health issues.

  • Puffpiece

    This garbage was prescribed by my dog’s vet for my dog that has Inflamatory Bowel Disease. Dogs with IBD react very poorly to foods with grain. On this dog food, my dog continued to vomit & be lethargic just as she had before diagnosis. I did my own research & crafted a well-balanced, nutritious grain-free home-made diet. She has thrived & not had one incident of nausea or vomiting in 5 years. This Science Diet “food” is a joke. Vets need to inform themselves better of nutrition, diet & Neutraceuticals.

  • Tiff8769

    did anyone have any suggestions on a different foo for u please let me know

  • Linda

    I am a veterinarian (6 yrs. in practice) and can say that we got VERY limited training in nutrition when I was in vet school – everything I’ve learned has been since then, from my own research and continuing ed classes (and this site, though other vets say “he’s just a dentist,” to which I say “but he can read a label!”).  I never rx SD food except short term for “crystals” – but maybe a better quality food w/supplement added would work equally well. Thanks to all the great contributors on here.  We’re all learning!

  • melissa

     Rtist4u-

    No one here can tell you what will work for your dog. You will have to research and try on your own. The problem is, what works for one, may not work for another. I am assuming your dog had more than a generic urinary tract infection to be put on CD long term, as most basic UTI’s clear up with meds, never to return.

    I would recc you tell your vet you can not afford it any longer, an ASK what you need to look for in a diet for his particular condition-and use that as a start pointf or your research.

  • Rtist4u

     I have a dog diagnosed with UTI and has been given the Canine C/D prescription dog food. I have been feeding my boy for about 10 months this dog food, but it is cost prohibitive. It’s costing me between $65 and $95 every five (5) weeks! I cannot continue. Please tell me what other brands I can feed my dog that won’t make him sick! Thanks! ( i r 4 i a m @ a t t . n e t  — no spaces).

  • http://www.facebook.com/bryanv21 Bryan Van Dusen

    Unfortunately you aren’t the first, nor will you be the last, to be fooled by “prescription” pet foods. Besides the fact that you don’t need a prescription to get these foods, they are oftentimes awful options. Information on proper nutrition for pets is not readily available for either vets or owners, leading to people be fooled by good marketing. 

  • Mike

    After feeding this food to my dog for a couple of years, I read about the terrible nutritional content while dealing with significant weight gain — presumably from the high fat content of this food. We changed to a grain free dry food from “Now!” and found it to be just as effective at controlling our dog’s struvite crystals but with a much better list of ingredients.

    More recently she was diagnosed with hypothyroidism and I am starting to suspect the presence of several soy based ingredients in this food as a potential culprit. I’ll never use any Prescription Diet foods again.

  • Claudia

    It helps a lot thank you so much, my dog has to be on prescription cd diet for life I will be trying the royal canine for her, my vet says very little chicken no vegetables at all melon and potatoes that’s it can you. Mil me the list with olds that she can eat please [email protected]

  • Jan_Mom2Cavs

    When one of my dogs (a few years ago) had a similar situation, I went looking for a low phosphorus food, both kibble and canned.  I also started adding water to the food.  I do want to say I’m NOT a vet or professional, just a pet parent who’s had a similar situation.  At the time I decided to go with Canine Caviar Special Needs kibble due to it having one of the lowest phosphorus contents of the commercial foods available to me.  I remember I also used Canidae platinum as one of the canned foods.  I’m not saying this would work for you, but is what I did.  My dog is not eating these foods now (she’s doing fine and is turning 11 this year) and I also believe Canine Caviar has changed their formula a little since I used it.  I still occasionally buy the Canidae Platinum canned food to top their kibble.     

  • ASHES30

    MY DOG JUST HAD A URINE TEST DONE AND IT CAME BACK HIGH AMOUNT OF CYRSTALS.  DR ADVISED ME TO INCREASE WATER IN DIET AND SWITCH TO CANINE CD FOOD.  AFTER READING THE INFO ON THIS FOOD I WILL NOT GIVE IT TO HER.  CAN ANYONE ELSE RECOMMEND A FOOD THAT CAN HELP WITH THE INCREASE IN CRYSTALS.  SHE HAS NO UTI AT ALL.  PLEASE HELP

  • Littlenikkis13

    Has anyone looked into My Perfect Pet’s Snuggles Blend for Urinary Tract Care? Its fresh cooked, nutritious, low in minerals and PH. A friend is mine has a Bichon doing really well on it, she previously had 2 bladder stones removed. She’s been stone free for over a year, fingers crossed!!! I’ve heard good things so far. I just spoke to another friend of mine who has a vet recommending the Science Diet C/D and her dog already has bladder stones, I just hope all the low quality ingredients and the corn doesn’t make her dog worse.

  • Jodi, with two dogs in Seattle

    My golden retr/border collie mix was diagnosed with struvite crystals two years ago.  We could not find anything particular causing it.  I refused to keep her on C/D any longer than to make her comfortable.

    I now avoid fish based kibbles as the ash from the  bones may increase the mineral content and increase risk of crystal formation.  She can eat pretty much any other kibble now that I give her half canned and half kibble and I use urinary supplements.  Wysong makes a ph- supplement(and a ph+ version) which you can order from its website but can probably find cheaper on the web.  I order litmus paper strips from the drugstore pharmacist and monitor her ph- by catching some urine in a long, shallow tupperware dish, especially when I switch kibbles as the supplement amount may need adjusting.  “All the Best” in the Seattle area also makes a proprietary urinary acidifier.  Both supplements contain the active ingredient -amino acid methionine and make your dog drink more water and thus flush her urinary tract.

    Switching to canned is more expensive so I buy the Costco canned chicken (for people), it is about $1.69 per can which is pretty cheap and probably better quality than canned dog food.

    I hope this will help someone out there avoid feeding C/D.  You can add methionine back into your dog’s diet without paying the high price for all the cheap fillers in C/D.  This method may not work for everyone but it’s worked for me for two years.  If your pet has a more serious condition then this method might not work for you.  BTW, my vets did not know anything about these supplements, they just said to use C/D.

  • gwinna stover

    MY SHELTIE HAD BLADDER STONES REMOVER AROUND 4 YEARS OF AGE AND VET ADVISED HILLS C/D.  SHE IS NOW 10 AND I AM GOING TO FIND HER TOP OF THE LINE DOG FOOD.  I AM SO UPSET THAT THE LAST 6YRS, SHE HAD A MAJOR FAT LUMP AND NOW ANOTHER ONE ON REAR.  ALSO I AM GOING TO VET 2X AVG A MONTH TO HAVE HER ANAL GLANDS SUPPRESSED.  SOMEONE POSTED ON PETCO THAT THEY GAVE THEIR DOG WITH SIMILIAR PROBLEMS “NATURES RECEIPE” AND HER GLANDS ARE FINE.  I AM SO SOORY THAT MY DOG HAS NOT BE THAT HEALTHY THESE YEARS AND I SHOULD HAVE DONE MY RESEARCH.  THE INGREDIENTS ALONE ARE DUSGUSTING AND I THINK THAT VETS THESE DAYS THINK MORE OF THE POCKETBOOKS THAN THE ANIMAL- HOWEVER, I AM SURE GLAD WE HAVE THEM, BUT I’M JUST SAYING SOME MAY BE INCLINED TO SELL THIS PRODUCT! 
    I AM NOT GOING TO BUY ANYMORE, EVEN IF I HAVE TO COOK HER MEALS.

  • tonya

    the vet says he has to be on Science diet for life. HE WOULD NOT EAT THAT CRAP! I was so upset. I did alot of reserch and now he loves and eats Royal Cannin Urinary s/o. I am very happy with this prescription dog food. Also my vet sent me some paperwork on what I can do to eed him other foods. The list says plain cooked chicken, plain cooked turkey, eggs, rice,peas, pasta, white potatoes,cabbage, cauliflower,bananas, and melon. I am so happy and my pup pup is too! Hope this helps.

    http://www.balanceit.com http://www.petdiets.com http://www.vin.com

  • Marie

    What I don’t get is this- if Hill’s is going to crank out a product with poor ingredients but claim it can help a particular condition, why in the heck can’t they at least use chelated minerals?

    It’s one thing if you’ve done studies on the effectiveness of the food (with the crappy quality ingredients) and find it to work, but to me, not bothering with that last part seems to be just downright cheap.

  • Elaine

    Tx for all the advice. My poor miniature schnauzher has just undergone a 2nd (huge) bladder stone surgery in 2 years and she is only turning 3 this 1st Nov. Vet sells & recommends Hill’s Prescription c/d but after reading all the above comments, I am having my doubts. I do encourage Cosmo to drink more by giving her (unsalted) soups, diluted milks, apples/pears immersed in water so that she will drink to reach the fruits or else she just doesnt like to drink at all. This obviously caused her bladder stones. Can anyone recommend other alternatives to Royal Canine cos it is rather pricey but I will alternate with Innova which Cosmo has been taking on & off but I do change brands now & again. Perhaps the other brands are not as good as Innova that caused her stones.

  • Heather

    Hmmm… don’t think I have the dog in that photo with me. She’s a fawn colored 42 lb. pittie mix though. She was found on the street at 8 weeks old, ears chopped off and a shoestring around her neck. Now she is a 4 year old princess (who has to have weekly ear cleanings) and a total lovebug. Doesn’t even care about her ears and has never displayed any kind of aggression towards any one type of people (many abused dogs end up being racist).

  • Gordon

    Heather – I was jokingly asking the question about what breed you were? I actually couldn’t see the dog to your right at the time of my question, lol. That’s why I quickly pointed out that I was joking, in case I you were offended by me implying that you’re a breed of dog.

    So never mind. I’m glad you weren’t offended. Nice photo BTW, :)

  • Shawna

    Heather,

    That sounds more behavioral doesn’t it… I’ve had a couple foster dogs like that. One ate the glass domes off of a lamp — THICK glass..

    I diagnosed my dog Audrey’s allergies because of a high eosinophil count. Vet wanted to do a stool sample which makes sense — if Audrey didn’t already exhibit classic allergic symptoms.. I declined the stool sample testing and started an elimination diet.

    Good luck getting this all straightened out!!!!!!

  • Heather

    And that’s so confusing to me that people don’t even consider allergies when their animals get granuloma. Eosinophils are part of the allergic reaction, that should be the first thing they explore!

  • Heather

    Gordon–that’s a Virginian crested mastiff. High maintenance, sickly, dominant and stubborn. You do NOT want one!

    Shawna,

    My cat actually eats textiles (mostly). He has never tried to eat his litter or the bunny food. Once in a while he will try to eat their hay (the other cat eats their hay regularly). He loves eating electrical cords, twist ties, hair ties, towels, drapes, comforters, blankets, the rubber off of the washing machine knobs, any soft crinkly plastic used to package foods/vitamins, the gel caps from said vitamins… he is really a mess.

    We’ve been dealing with this for years and have tried so many things to get him to stop. He’s had bloodwork, and that was fine. I will try switching to a red meat though, maybe that will work. I’m not confident anything will work at this point. I actually had a psychic talk to him, and according to her, he knows what he’s doing is potentially harmful.

    His granuloma started out between his paw pads, then stopped occurring there and moved to the backs of his thighs for a while. I can’t remember him having an outbreak in the past year, so hopefully he has grown out of it. He had been on pred for it before (not continually), and I always hated that. But I guess now I don’t have to worry about pred giving him diabetes or whatever. He’ll probably kill himself early with a blockage. I love him but damn, he drives me crazy!

  • Shawna

    Heather,

    Afterthought — I’m on a pet health forum as well as DFA. Often I see people with pets with eosinophilic this or that and an allergy is not even considered??? Instead the vet, from informtion provided from the pet parent, puts the animal on a steroid and calls it good???

    Good job, imo, figuring out and avoiding the allergy connection!!!

  • Shawna

    Heather,

    Pumpkin has many health benefits but too much of even a good thing can be detrimental :)

    Pica — pica, from my experiences (including my own), is caused by an iron deficiency. Dr Oz (obviously relating to humans) had a special on Pica. Four your women were interviewed all with pica. One ate lava rocks, one ate drywall, one ate baby powder and I forget the fourth — must not have been horribly unusual for me to forget :). I eat ice cubes. I go out of my way (EVERY DAY) to get to a chewable (so I don’t break my teeth) source of ice cubes.

    Anyhoo, all four ladies on the Oz show with pica also had iron deficiency. I am actually not deficient but am on the low side of normal and have been for some 20 years (I give blood regularly and they always let me know). Low enough and for long enough to cause pica… Iron is more prevalent in red meats so wondering if buffalo, venison or beef might be a better option for your pica kitty while exibiting the behavior..?? Spirulina supposedly has a “highly absorbable” form of iron. Wondering if that might help to kickstart things for kitty?

    BTW, my iron deficiency is a direct cause of a long term undiagnosed allergy (or intolerance – not sure which) to dairy. The allergy damaged the villi, due to inflammation, in my small intestines and I couldn’t digest the nutrients from the foods I ate (corn, soy and gluten grains) are other foods that can apparently damage villi to the point of maldigestion/malnutrition.

  • Gordon

    Hi Heather. What breed is that in the pic? I’m sooooooooooooo joking! Please take no offence. :)

  • Heather

    Shawna, thank you so much for the information regarding fiber. I had started giving one cat pumpkin for the fiber, thinking that his pica may be related to not enough fiber in his diet. That didn’t change his peculiar eating habits, but I kept him on the pumpkin, not knowing that fiber could be detrimental.

    The other cat got pumpkin because he is constantly trying to eat my bunnies’ hay. So I thought he might need more fiber as well. As of last night, I’ve stopped giving them pumpkin.

  • Shawna

    Here they are

    “CONCLUSIONS AND CLINICAL RELEVANCE: Starch and fiber in diets potentially stimulate formation of struvite crystals. Hence, reducing dietary carbohydrate is desirable to prevent struvite urolith formation. In addition, a net loss of body calcium, phosphorus, and magnesium during feeding of the fiber diet suggests that dietary inclusion of insoluble fiber could increase macromineral requirements of cats.” http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14974568

    “CONCLUSIONS AND CLINICAL RELEVANCE: Our results indicate that compared with dietary supplementation with NH4Cl, the high-protein diet is preferable as a urine acidifier for the prevention of struvite crystal formation in clinically normal cats.” http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12926602

    Methionine is an amino acid in meat (for any reading that aren’t familiar) “Feeding dry foods supplemented with urine acidifier (D,L-methionine (Met) or ammonium chloride) decreased urinary pH and struvite activity product in clinically normal cats. As a result, the number of struvite crystals in urine was greatly reduced. Supplementation with 3% Met but not 1% Met caused decrease in the urinary concentration of sediment, which resulted from a reduction in the HCl-soluble fraction. The concentration of HCl-insoluble sediment was not affected by supplementation with the urine acidifier.” http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11307939

  • Shawna

    Heather,

    Several vets (like Dr. Wysong and Dr. Becker) feel that struvite crystals (in many if not most cases but certainly not all cases) form due to too much carbohydrate in the food. The carbohydrates are alkalanizing to the urine which allows for the formation of crystals. Bacterial infections are certainly another common cause of alkaline urine.

    The prescrition diets (even though high in carbs) work because either 1. they add dl-methionine to the diet which is acidifying to the urinary tract or 2. they lower the minerals (magnesium) that contribute to crystals. From my understanding at least..

    I posted several research papers here on DFA supporting the above carbohydrate/crystals connection in cats… I’ll see if I can find them..?

  • Heather

    I used to feed the feline version of C/D to my cats. They both have FLUTD, and have had crystals in the past. One became blocked from the crystals and had to go to the emergency vet. The other cat displayed signs of painful urination the following year, and I was able to get him treatment before he became blocked.

    Because I have been of the opinion that Hill’s foods are very poor quality for some time, I was very hesitant to put my cats on their food (S/D at first, then C/D once they were out of the danger zone). The only reason I relented is because their lives were at stake.

    A friend of mine also has 3 FLUTD cats. She feels as strongly as I do about quality food (and Hill’s being of poor quality). She mentioned that she does not feed C/D or the Royal Canin counterpart to her cats. Since she had not had her cats off of the prescription diet very long, I decided to keep my boys on it until she knew more.

    About 6 months passed, and I asked her about it again. She said one cat had passed away, presumably from heart failure. He had crawled under the house and died, no evidence of trauma to the body or of being in pain before death. Since blockage is very, very painful, I felt confident ruling out FLUTD as cause of death. I don’t remember if she had him necropsied. The other two cats are doing fine. At this point, I decided to switch my boys to a higher quality food.

    I asked my friend what she fed her cats, and she said one eats frozen raw (Nature’s Variety Instinct), and one eats canned. She works in a higher end pet supply store (no live animals!), and for canned she uses anything under a dollar that they have in stock. Since Nutro is the worst pet food I have seen in that store, the cans are stuff like Wellness, Innova, Eagle Pack, Natural Balance, Merrick, etc.

    One of my cats is also prone to indolent/rodent ulcers and has eosinophillic granuloma, so I chose Dick Van Patten’s Natural Balance L.I.D. Duck and Green Pea for the boys, since it is hypoallergenic. They were on this food for a good half a year (maybe more) without incident. No indolent ulcers, no granulomas, and most important no crystals.

    I have switch one cat to raw (Nature’s Variety Instinct Raw Chicken) in an effort to combat his rampant pica. The other cat is till on Natural Balance canned only. I also add a little warm water, canned pumpkin, and Sea Pet fish oil to their food. I have their urine tested every 6 months for crystals, and so far nothing. My friend’s cats are also still doing well on this regimen (with urinalysis).

    I am keeping my vet apprised of the diet changes (he must be one of only 1% in the country that agrees with me Hill’s is poor quality).

    I have to stress that if the cats were brand new to me, if I were otherwise unable to catch changes in behavior quickly, or were not comfortable with the diet I WOULD NOT DO IT! PLEASE do not try this with an animal you have just gotten that is prone to crystals, or if you are not VERY observant and know your animal’s mannerisms inside and out. I would really hate for anyone’s animals to die or suffer a urinary blockage because they tried this diet.

    HOWEVER, if you are very observant, have had the animals for a long time, and really want to give them a better quality food than what Hill’s has to offer, by all means try what I am doing. Remember to feed ONLY canned, add water to the food, and most importantly have a urinalysis done frequently. I recommend doing the first urinalysis before you even begin switching food, doing a second one 3 months after you have completed the switch, and subsequently testing every 6 months.

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  • Ping

    Did anyone owning a dog with UTI try Medical Urinary SO? I bought it for mu husky who had UTI, her urine ph is 7, protein is a bit high but within normal limit and urine is concentrated too, apart for these we found crystals in her urine too, she has been on antibiotic for 2 weeks(clavaseptin) and I am feeding her U SO, still don’t know how is the result yet but I heard my vet said U So dessolve stones and crystals better than C/D.

  • Brooke

    I have a 19 year old weenie dog who has been on C/D and K/D mix for 14 years. She had multiple bladder stones to the point she was peeing pure blood. Her vet started her on the C/D which helped big time and as she got older added the K/D. She still has very week urine but is bladder stone and crystal free. She is still bouncing like a puppy, has all of her teeth and is very happy. I’m afraid to trust any other brand with her new brother and sister considering she is 19 years old and problem free.

  • Norma

    oh! by the way I am not happy with the ingredients in Hills Prescription Diet C/d canine food.

  • Norma

    My dog of 5 years has been using can and dry food from Hills Presc. Diet C/D Canine. I have been told she has crystals in her urine. Sometimes I get weak and give her chicken, try not too; because I was told I could kill her.
    I am not happy with Hills/presc. diet c/d for canine. Most of the time she will not eat it, seems unhappy. Doctor has a watch on her, it take her to the vet. often, now she has glaucoma. She already had an enlarge heart when I found her Yorkie Krystal. They were using her for baby making, now she pays the price. Krystal see a vet regularly, I would like to switch to a natural canine product. This Wednesday I will let the vet know how I feel.

  • Shalina

    Wow!!! So much information, what to do? My pom had UTI long before I caught it. I was suspicious that something was wrong but the signs weren’t clear. After my vet started treating the UTI she began to spot blood. An xray showed she had 2 stones about the size of quarters or a bit smaller. She had surgery in January of 2010 and has been on CD ever since. Her stones were sent off the MN. I feel from my research that I was part of the problem for feeding her carrots and giving her soy milk. I’ve had xrays done once to check for stones and several urinalysis done to check for infection. The last one came back with a couple of crystals but not the kind that made up her stones. I too would love to find a better dog food. I had always fed her what I consider the healthier foods from the local pet store. My vet is somewhat against the holistic foods. I’m not looking for an answer, just glad to know that I’m not alone. I do not want her to go through the pain of the stones again. I thought I was doing what was best for her, now I’m not so sure. She was 5 when she had surgery now she’s almost 7. Guess I’ll be doing a lot more reading. Thanks everyone!!!

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Regina… As I mention in this review, we do not rate these foods based upon their ability to treat a problem. Only their meat content and their apparent ingredient quality. You may wish to first discuss your decision with your vet before discontinuing this product.

  • Regina

    3 years ago, my aging yorkie acquired bladder stones. I took him to my vet who gave him surgery to remove them and then put him on Hill’s CD diet. I had a lot of trouble getting him to eat it. Since then he has been eating grass everytime I take him out and throwing up and having loose stools 3 or 4 times a week. He’s looking like skin stretched over bones. I am glad I found this site. I had no idea that the food was poisoning him. Maybe I can still save his life. I am taking him off of it immediately. He knew before I did that it wasn’t good for him. Thank you and thank God I found this information. Bless you and those who have come forward to tell their stories.

  • aimee

    Hi Lexi,

    Here is the link to the the Minnesota site where you can look up any stone type and see their recommendations.

    http://www.cvm.umn.edu/depts/minnesotaurolithcenter/recommendations/home.html

    Minnesota is known for its work in stone research. NOTE : This research is payed for in a large part by Hill’s Science Diet, which Minnesota ackowledges. (Most companies don’t bother putting this much money into research.)So you will note though that when a specific diet is mentioned, it is from the Hills line, a nod to their sponsor. This could be a reason vets reach for Hills when dealing with stone issues. The info from Minnesota is sound and they spell out the goals of prevention fairly well and those goals can be met via different routes.

    It sounds like your dog had UTI . Some bacteria types can predispose to struvite stones. Prevent the infection and prevent the stone! As you have found, upping water consumption AND frequent bathroom trips to keep bladder flushed out are simple things that can be done to help prevent reinfection. Frequent urine checks at the vet are integral too so any silent infections are caught early before stones form.
    Cranberry can help prevent E. coli infections (not a stone producer) but make up around 1/2 of dog UTI’s. Maybe other bacteria as well. But you really need a concentrated form to help. Cranberries in the diet won’t be enough.
    Probiotics may also help by changing the bacteria in the bowel as most UTI’s are from bowel bacteria.

    (Can you all tell I’ve been down the UTI road with a former dog)

    Good luck with your dog…. keep her peeing! Hope she remains infection free.

  • Lexi

    To Aimee
    CUDOOS to you….Wow….very impressed on the article you posted. And Thank You, Thank you….you have done what other languorous individuals could not do. We too had our girl with a UTI and took it upon our-selves to research what would be alternative diets we could provide for her in order to prevent further UTI or stones, instead of the recommendations of her vet to put her on Science Diet….ugh! We had her on her antibiotics Clavamox and added more wet food to her current kibble and every other feeding we add warm water to her kibble to moisten it and allow her more h20 intake. I’ve also heard cranberries are good for them in moderation.

    Well good luck Liz M

  • http://www.drianbillinghurst.com Gordon

    Liz M – Imagine the legal ramifications of a website that would attempt to state specific advice for each and every reader’s specific dog’s ailment and what food (low oxalate or otherwise) would rectify the ailment? I mean surely, the laws of probability suggest it would only be a matter of short time before a class action be instigated.

    Even all the ‘Ask a Vet’ mediums I’ve experienced in communicating with, always advise at the email footer to never superimpose their advice over your own local Vet’s advice. You know why? Because whilst the internet is a fantastic medium, we engineers haven’t yet invented (My own specialty is NOT networking, and I don’t currently work in engineering) Captain Kirk’s “Beam me up Scotty” Star Trek technology, and because we can also rule out distant telepathic direct communications between humans and animals, that advice is appropriate.

    This website’s owner and editor, Mike, just like you and anyone else can legally setup any such website and post articles and reviews on what ever they want to. One doesn’t have to be a Veterinarian or even have a degree in anything or be required to be an expert in a particular field to create likewise websites.

    Like Mike P states, why don’t you do your own internet or otherwise research in investigating the best remedy, food or otherwise in your dog’s urinary tract or otherwise problem? If you’re not happy with your own Vet’s advice, seek 2nd, 3rd etc opinions in addition to ‘Ask a Vet’ internet avenues. This way, you’ll be able to collect an abundance of advice and make comparisons. Just another suggestive method on how to perform specific research or answer hunting.

  • aimee

    Liz,
    I can understand your frustration, but please don’t direct that frustration to Mike. He is right when he says each situation is different and he can’t make a direct recommendation.
    Please understand that the prevention of calcium oxalate stones is a lot more involved than just feeding foods lower in oxalates. There isn’t anyway for Mike to have the information he would need to make diet suggestions because most food companies can’t even begin to provide that information.

    From Minnesota urolith center http://www.cvm.umn.edu/depts/minnesotaurolithcenter/prod/groups/cvm/@pub/@cvm/@urolith/documents/asset/cvm_asset_107726.pdf

    “Therefore, controlling risk factors promoting urine CaOx supersaturation (e.g.
    hypercalciuria, hyperoxaluria, hyperaciduria, hypocitraturia, and highly concentrated urine) should minimize urolith recurrance”

    So as you can see the food has to have a lot of other factors besides avoiding high oxalates.

    I think Jonathan gave good advice when he recommended a canned food as the “solution to pollution is dilution” A dilute non acidic urine is what will help prevent recurrence of calcium oxalate. ( see the link). The best you can do is trial a food, catch urine samples and have your vet check to see if you are hitting the right ph, and concentration marks and keeping the urine crystal free.

    You can ask a company to provide information on the ph of the urine that is formed when on their diet but few companies track this. And even if they have the information, as Mike says, each animal is different so you have to track how the diet is performing in your dog.

    Hope this helps and good luck with your dog.

  • Mike P

    Hmmm if I needed to find a ” low-oxalate ” dog food , what would I do ? Bash a guy and his wife on a web site they created to help people understand dog food ingredients ? Orrrr DO THE RESEARCH MYSELF ? Come on Liz , take the time to help your dog . It might take more than one hour to get your problem resolved . Now imagine the time it takes Mike and his wife to go over thousands of dog foods . Grow up …

  • Scott A

    TO THIS POSTER: Liz M
    I am holding my tongue here but it seems since you have it all figured out why don’t you start your own site on your time and do what you suggest before you come here and make demands.
    And to swear at the creator of this site who does this in his free time is uncalled for and i am offended.
    This site is packed full of ‘worthy advice’ and if you cant see that then maybe you need to open your eyes and learn to read.
    You will not get anywhere here with that attitude in my opinion.

    Good day

  • Liz M

    TO THE SITE: i feel like you should be able to search for “low-oxalate” dog foods…i mean you say you can’t determine the amount of oxalates in each food unless you contact each brand but i found that completely not true!!! If you compare the chart of moderate-to-low oxalate foods that you put a link to on your site than you can compare those to each ingredient on the food label-thus deciding if it’s a low-to-mod. oxalate food. I sort of feel if this site cares enough to give us this info that they could do just a little bit of research and provide a list of these such foods…y’all beat around the bush saying your not vets, then who is running this site?! I just find it a bit crazy that no one can give any worthy advice but to say they’re not a vet and every situation is different…god damn we’re just asking for a simple suggestion for urinary tract health foods..but no.

  • Liz M

    @ Jonathan- thanks so much for your reply! i’ve been searching around the site and i saw the article about oxalates being related to stones and crystals…so i have been sitting here for about an hour comparing the low and moderate oxalate foods to the ones in the dog foods like avoderm and royal canine. So far i have considered and will probably choose to take your advice partially and feed the Avoderm Natural Dry dog food with cranberries and frozen peas mixed in…this seems to be like an amazing diet (atleast for my situation) in the search for a healthier urinary tract food. the Avoderm rates a 4 star and all their ingredients are low-to moderate ratings on the chart of oxalates! Also, it’s grain free and only contains brown and white rice which are low in oxalates! And, cranberries and peas have little to no oxalates so my pup can eat as much of that as she wants-healthy too!!

  • Jonathan

    Liz, I don’t know enough about urinary track stuff to make any real suggestions. But I would at least look for a quality canned food with cranberries.

  • Liz M

    SOO basically no one can answer the golden question:”whats a better urinary tract health food than science diet c/d?” i have a vet that is insisting on using Science diet c/d because my dog just got over bladder crystals…but seeing the review..HAHA i won’t even touch that shit! sorry but i love my dog and just want to find something better, he mentioned royal canine has a c/d like brand?? has anyone tried it? well I hope someone has suggestions!

  • Sydney M

    Mike and Melissa,

    Thank you so much for your replies! My husky just finished another round of antibiotics, so we’ll be heading back to the vet soon and hopefully everything will be cleared up this time. Here’s hoping, because she hate this food! haha

  • melissa

    HI Sydney M-

    I am not a vet, and therefore can only speak from my experience as an owner and rescuer : )
    I am failing to see the point of an RX food. If there is not a urine ph concern, no crystals, no stones, what is the purpose? Many dogs get Urinary tract infections, and in all those that we have dealt with, never has a vet changed the food to an rx diet unless one of the three above were at play. Ask your vet the point of this..

    Also, when a dog has a severe infection, its not uncommon for them to have to have antibiotics for 3-6 weeks..same as with humans-you start with the first course, retest and go from there. If your dog at its next recheck is not better, I would reccomend you ask the vet to do a Culture and Sensitivity to find out exactly what is causing the infection so that you can be sure your dog is on the right meds to begin with.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Sydney… Most dog foods are not designed to treat specific health problems (like a UTI). When your dog is acutely ill, it would be best to follow the advice of your vet. However, when feeding a low protein dog food long term, you may wish to find a quality alternative and then run your decision by your vet.

    In any case, since I’m not a veterinarian, it would be inappropriate for me to provide specific health advice or product recommendations. Please see our FAQ page and our reviews for more information. Or check back for a possible response from one of our other readers.

  • Sydney M

    Hi Mike,

    Forgive me if a lot of this information isn’t something you can touch upon or even relevant to my question! I feel it may be better to provide too much information than not enough. Getting to the point, my Siberian Husky was recently diagnosed with a urinary tract infection, to which she was prescribed antibiotics (Baytril 136ml, 1 dose a day for 2 weeks) and an anti-inflammatory (Previcoc 227mg, 1 dose for 3 days). We also had them test the urine and perform an x-ray to rule out crystals and stones..to which she had none. After having completed the first two weeks of meds, we brought her back to the vet to assess the UTI again. Unfortunately, she still has the UTI and is on another course of the Baytril for a week. We were told before hand, that she had a pretty bad UTI so she may need another course. Before the UTI was diagnosed, we had her on Premium Edge. After this, I decided to switch her to Timberwolf based on your review of it. However, upon the last vet visit her vet had me switch her to this food. Based on your review of this food, I feel a little uncomfortable about having her eat it. I was wondering what you thought about this whole situation? I’ve read through the other comments on this page and understand if you don’t think this is a good question for you to answer. If that’s the case, no need to reply.

    Thanks, Sydney

  • http://www.hilltownsurveillance.com Mary Frumkin

    Next time you visit a veterinarian, look around at all the freebies they received from their friendly Science Diet rep. That says it all.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Ermalee… There are many good foods here. Unfortunately, since I’m not a veterinarian, it would be inappropriate for me to provide specific health advice or product recommendations. Please see our FAQ page and our reviews for more information. Or check back for a possible response from one of our other readers. Wish I could be more help.

  • Ermalee Ort

    My new vet just said I should feed my papillon/terrier mix the Hill’s Prescription Diet for U/T health and when I read the ingredients it went against all I had heard about corn etc. My dog just had a U/T infection. I have been feeding Blue Buffalo. Any advice on the best food. He is about 9 yrs. old. I really feel confused right now. Thanks

  • Mareth

    This is the most disgusting food I have ever had to feed a dog. It smells like rancid pork fat. I normally feed Taste of the Wild, but I reluctantly agreed to use the “Fritos and Pork Rind Diet” after my 5 y/o Chihuahua had 13 (yes, thirteen) kidney stones removed last month.

    Once the analysis of the stones (calcium oxalate with a silica coating) came back, I immediately discontinued feeding Hills and started researching.

    The Whole Dog Journal did a series of articles on kidney stones in 2010 and I used the information I found there to create a homemade diet for my dog that meets his nutritional needs and should prevent a recurrence of the stones.

  • Dana Lindauer

    I’ve been feeding my service dog C/D since she was a young puppy. I dislike paying the high price for food that really isn’t fit to feed a dog. My service dog gets very nervous when we travel (to the point of bloody loose stool) and I’ve often had to switch her to boiled chicken and steamed rice (no butter or salt added) to nurse her back to health. I’ve never seen adverse effects to her urine ph from having to do this. While I am not sure that this will work long term, I am considering switching her to a boiled chicken breast and instant rice diet.

  • alicia

    It would be helpful to know what is a better food for a dog that gets crystals when put on other food. I have gone to high end brands and they brought the ph way up….so have to resort to Hills/CD that controls it. Until there is another alternative, one is forced to use this brand.

  • labsndobes

    I have been feeding my 10.5 year old Hills Presfription CD for 6 years – since then no crystal or stone issues, but of course I want the best for her – I pay about $52.00 for a 20 pound bag….I was also surprised to find BilJac Dry Select as a #2 – been feeding that for 10+ years to my other dogs – 3 – thought I was doint the best for them as it is a local company with supposed local ingredients.

  • Julie Vergara

    Thanks Mike! Keep up the great work!

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Julie… Unfortunately, I’ve never studied the nutritional needs of dogs with urinary tract issues. Maybe if I come across a trustworthy (scientific) source of requirements for this type of dog food, I could use the information to create a list of qualifying foods. Something to think about for the future. Thanks for the tip.

  • Julie Vergara

    Hi Mike, Thanks for the quick response. I think my question wasn’t clear as I wasn’t asking for a recommendation from you. I just wanted to know if there was a similar list of the higher-rated foods that specifically state they are for Urinary Tract Health similar to those listed in the “Suggested Hypoallergenic Dog Foods” under the “Best Dog Foods for Special Needs” section. I’m not looking to circumvent my vet, just want to do some research so I can discuss with her and get a professional opinion. I know for cats that Purina One & Pro Plan both have Urinary Health formulas but I wouldn’t go anywhere near them. Not sure if dogs have the same issues but thought they might since there is a Hill’s C/D Formula. If you don’t have the info that’s not a problem, I’ll continue researching on my own so I can consult with my vet, Thanks for all you do, the site is great and I have recommended it to many of my friends who have dogs.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Julie… Unfortunately, since I’m not a veterinarian, I’m afraid you’ve asked a question I don’t feel qualified to answer. It would be misleading and inappropriate for me to assure you a specific product would help control your cat’s urinary tract issues. Wish I could be more help.

  • Julie Vergara

    Hi Mike, I believe I read that you’re planning on creating a feline version of this website in the future and I for one will be thrilled when you do! I have a dog and use this site as a research tool to switch him from I/D to Pinnace Holistic as he has a sensitive stomach. My question is do you have suggested foods for Urinary health instead of using the C/D formula? I’m looking into this for my cats as one has had crystals in the past but I want to get them on a better food than C/D. I would do my own research on the Feline versions anf any Canine foods that state they promote Urinary Tract Health but would appreciate any direction you might be able to provide.