Fromm Gold Dog Food (Dry)


Rating: ★★★★☆

Fromm Gold Dog Food receives the Advisor’s second-highest tier rating of 4 stars.

The Fromm Gold product line includes seven dry dog foods, three claimed to meet AAFCO nutrient profiles for all life stages, two for growth, and two for adult maintenance.

The following is a list of recipes available at the time of this review.

  • Fromm Gold Adult
  • Fromm Gold Puppy (4.5 stars)
  • Fromm Gold Small Breed Adult
  • Fromm Gold Large Breed Puppy
  • Fromm Gold Weight Management
  • Fromm Gold Large Breed Adult (3.5 stars)
  • Fromm Gold Reduced Activity and Senior (3.5 stars)

Fromm Gold Adult was selected to represent the other products in the line for this review.

Fromm Gold Adult

Dry Dog Food

Estimated Dry Matter Nutrient Content

Protein = 27% | Fat = 18% | Carbs = 48%

Ingredients: Duck, chicken meal, chicken, brown rice, pearled barley, oatmeal, menhaden fish meal, chicken fat, lamb, potatoes, dried tomato pomace, dried whole egg, salmon oil, cheese, flaxseed, brewers dried yeast, alfalfa meal, carrots, lettuce, celery, chicken cartilage, monocalcium phosphate, salt, potassium chloride, dl-methionine, l-tryptophan, taurine, chicory root extract, calcium sulfate, Yucca schidigera extract, sodium selenite, sorbic acid (preservative), vitamins, minerals, probiotics

Fiber (estimated dry matter content) = 3.9%

Red items indicate controversial ingredients

Estimated Nutrient Content
Guaranteed Analysis24%16%NA
Dry Matter Basis27%18%48%
Calorie Weighted Basis23%37%41%
Protein = 23% | Fat = 37% | Carbs = 41%

The first ingredient in this dog food is duck. Although it is a quality item, raw duck contains about 80% water. After cooking, most of that moisture is lost, reducing the meat content to just a fraction of its original weight.

After processing, this item would probably account for a smaller part of the total content of the finished product.

The second ingredient includes chicken meal. Chicken meal is considered a meat concentrate and contains nearly 300% more protein than fresh chicken.

The third ingredient is chicken, another quality raw item.

The fourth ingredient is brown rice, a complex carbohydrate that (once cooked) can be fairly easy to digest. However, aside from its natural energy content, rice is of only modest nutritional value to a dog.

The fifth ingredient is barley. Barley is a starchy carbohydrate supplying fiber and other healthy nutrients. However, aside from its energy content, this cereal grain is of only modest nutritional value to a dog.

The sixth ingredient is oatmeal, a whole-grain product made from coarsely ground oats. Oatmeal is naturally rich in B-vitamins, dietary fiber and can be (depending upon its level of purity) gluten-free.

The seventh ingredient includes menhaden fish meal, another protein-rich meat concentrate.

Menhaden are small ocean fish related to herring. They’re rich in protein and omega-3 fatty acids. What’s more, in their mid-depth habitat, menhaden are not exposed to mercury contamination as can be typical with deep water species.

Fish meal is typically obtained from the “clean, dried, ground tissue of undecomposed whole fish and fish cuttings” of commercial fish operations.1

The eighth ingredient is chicken fat. Chicken fat is obtained from rendering chicken, a process similar to making soup in which the fat itself is skimmed from the surface of the liquid.

Chicken fat is high in linoleic acid, an omega-6 fatty acid essential for life. Although it doesn’t sound very appetizing, chicken fat is actually a quality ingredient.

The ninth ingredient is lamb, another quality raw item.

With six notable exceptions

First, tomato pomace is a controversial ingredient, a by-product remaining after processing tomatoes into juice, soup and ketchup.

Many praise tomato pomace for its high fiber and nutrient content, while others scorn it as an inexpensive pet food filler.

Just the same, there’s probably not enough tomato pomace here to make much of a difference.

Next, flaxseed is one of the best plant sources of healthy omega-3 fatty acids. Provided they’ve first been ground into a meal, flax seeds are also rich in soluble fiber.

However, flaxseed contains about 19% protein, a factor that must be considered when judging the actual meat content of this dog food.

In addition, brewers yeast can be a controversial item. Although it’s a by-product of the beer making process, this ingredient is rich in minerals and other healthy nutrients.

Fans believe yeast repels fleas and supports the immune system.

Critics argue yeast ingredients can be linked to allergies. This may be true, but (like all allergies) only if your particular dog is allergic to the yeast itself.

In addition, a vocal minority insists yeast can increase the risk of developing the life-threatening condition known as bloat. However, this is a claim we’ve not been able to scientifically verify.

In any case, unless your dog is specifically allergic to it, yeast can still be considered a nutritious additive.

What’s more noteworthy here is that brewers yeast contains about 48% protein, a factor that must be considered when judging the actual meat content of this dog food.

Next, alfalfa meal is high in plant protein (about 18%) and fiber (25%), this hay-family item is more commonly associated with horse feeds.

In addition, chicory root is rich in inulin, a starch-like compound made up of repeating units of carbohydrates and found in certain roots and tubers.

Not only is inulin a natural source of soluble dietary fiber, it’s also a prebiotic used to promote the growth of healthy bacteria in a dog’s digestive tract.

And lastly, although the vitamins and minerals added to this product are not detailed, we’re reassured to find a detailed list of naturally present nutrients on the company’s website.

Fromm Gold Dog Food
The Bottom Line

Judging by its ingredients alone, Fromm Gold looks like an above-average dry dog food.

But ingredient quality by itself cannot tell the whole story. We still need to estimate the product’s meat content before determining a final rating.

The dashboard displays a dry matter protein reading of 27%, a fat level of 18% and estimated carbohydrates of about 48%.

As a group, the brand features an average protein content of 28% and a mean fat level of 16%. Together, these figures suggest a carbohydrate content of 48% for the overall product line.

And a fat-to-protein ratio of about 59%.

Near-average protein. Near-average fat. And near-average carbs when compared to a typical dry dog food.

Even when you consider the protein-boosting effect of the flaxseed, brewers yeast and alfalfa meal, this looks like the profile of a kibble containing a moderate amount of meat.

Bottom line?

Fromm Gold Dog Food is a plant-based kibble using a moderate amount of duck and chicken meal as its main sources of animal protein, thus earning the brand 4 stars.

Highly recommended.

Please note certain recipes are sometimes given a higher or lower rating based upon our estimate of their total meat content and (when appropriate) their fat-to-protein ratios.

Those looking for a nice wet food to go with this kibble may wish to visit our review of Fromm Gold Nutritionals Canned Dog Food.

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Notes and Updates

10/18/2014 Last Update

  1. Association of American Feed Control Officials
  • Saul T

    We’ve had success rotating through the different 4-star flavors when they seem to tire of Gold. They’re able to transition quickly and it allows us to give our dogs variety as well as changing up their primary protein (Salmon & Whitefish recipes)

  • Pitlove

    thank you for sharing. my dog has the same great results from Fromm Gold. I feed the adult Large Breed as well!

  • Charles Bridgers

    Our puppy has the best results so far on Fromm. She does get tired of the chicken though I think… when we give her some food that’s primary ingredient is fish she gets so excited (Pulsar) but for a primary food we feed Fromm Gold Large Breed. Got rid of her dander and she can go weeks without a bath. She use to be on ProPlan and it gave her horrible dander issues and itching. Then she was on wd for loose stools due to giardia. Whenever we switch back to Fromm she just seems healthier.

  • April French Leavitt

    I am in the same situation now. I am greatly stressing over it. I have a one year old and will be getting an 8 wk old next week

  • skunkworks

    So far it’s been great! Good food. Took about 2 weeks for our great Dane to adjust. But he doesn’t smell anymore and coat is very soft!

  • skunkworks

    I have posted on here before, I recently switched from awful McDonalds like Purina One Chicken to Fromm Gold and wanted to give you my observations when I switched my Great Dane. First off, man when you mix From and Purina you will get the worst gas ever! I found may posts of people who had the same horrible reaction. I kept strong, had some bad stool for two weeks, but we stuck with Fromm. Finally after 1 bag and on the second bag of Fromms I think we finally ween’d off of the awful Purina One. UGH! But my Great Dane is doing so much better. First off I noticed he doesn’t smell as much.. he smells so much better on Fromm and his stools after 1 bag are normal now. His coat is so soft! This is a great food! Happy I switched now.

  • skunkworks

    Awesome – thank you for the post.

  • MelissaWithDanes

    I have three great danes and I feed them Fromm Gold from puppyhood to adult. I have greatly stressed over dog food and what is appropriate for a growing giant breed dog and I am completely satisfied that I have made the best choice for my pooches with Fromm Gold.

  • Kay Os

    I have my Rottweiler on the Fromm’s Gold and he is doing great. He used to throw up once every night with undigested food when I first adopted him. I started him out on the Eagle pack chicken and Pork. Added probiotics and that seemed to help, but was still throwing up a few nights. So I switched to this food and he seemed better. Then he ate the remaining probiotics after finding them on the counter, so I didn’t buy more to see if this food would be easily digestible for him and it is. Very happy.

  • Anette

    Yayyyy for Bentley! <3

  • Anette

    Thank you so much for your reply! ill be choosing between fromm gold large breed adult, natures logic or precise for her adult food :) whichever she does the best on. she said exactly what you said about how most are not formulated correctly and sometimes contain way too much or too little of some of the nutrients that LBPs need such as the ca/ph ratios and the calcium levels. i also had another question, is it safe to be giving my puppy a small tablespoon of organic coconut oil and organic turmeric mixed in with her food? or she too young? ive noticed that since i started doing this with both of my pups their coats have never been shinier or softer.

  • Pitlove

    anette you are so welcome and thank YOU for being such a good large breed puppy owner. if she is slimming down on Fromm I think you’re doing just fine. keeping them slim while they are growing is huge in keeping their growth normal. when she is ready for an adult food and you no longer need controlled levels of calcium, Natures Logic would be a fine choice.

    do you know why the person who told you a large breed puppy food wouldn’t be right for your pup felt that way? I do know that some foods marketed for LBPs aren’t always formulated correctly. that’s why I don’t ever trust the front of the bag. I always email the company and ask for the max levels of calcium and phos and then use the calculator on this site to make sure it’s a safe food.

    p.s my large breed boy is eating the adult large breed Fromm Gold and doing awesome. could be another option for her if you don’t go with Natures Logic.

  • Anette

    What do you think i should be feeding her right now? Is a half cup 3-4 times a day too much? Ive noticed shes slimmed out a lot since i switched her to this food. Thank you so much for assisting me in this because its very stressful wanting the best for my puppy. Also i have my standard poodle husky mix on the venison natures logic food, his coat has been in the best condition ive seen it and being hes a very picky eater hes always been very leaned out but since i put him on this food hes been doing great on it, do you think that would be a good food to have her on once shes an adult? Thank you very much pitlove for answering my concerns!

  • Pitlove

    Fromm Gold Large Breed Puppy is actually excellent for your pup as she is a large mix breed. this food is formulated with safe amounts of calcium and phosphorus to promote slow growth which reduces the risk of growth and skeletal disorders. also make sure you aren’t overfeeding as that can cause weight gain which can contribute to growth and skeletal disorders.

  • Anette

    This is Meka :)

  • Anette

    Can anyone recommend a better food than Fromm gold large breed puppy? I have my 10 week old German shepherd Rottweiler mix on it but I was told that large breed puppy foods aren’t the best for them. I’d like the food to be 100% natural non gmo if possible I only want the best for my dogs. When I first got her she was on the wellness line and her coat was extremely dry and she had runny stool and a pretty good sized belly. Once I changed it to this food her stool hardened and comes out very clean and easy for her and her coat has less fakes now but I’m not sure if that’s the organic coconut oil helping it or that and the change in food and she has leaned out more and doesn’t have a saggy belly anymore and it’s only been a week and a half of change in food. I saw a review that said this was a great food for a large breed so I went with it but If there’s something better out there for her mix I’d really like to know what that is. I’m currently feeding her 3-4 times a day it all depends on how much. She wants that day at a half cup each time. Thank you and hopefully I can find her the best food possible.

  • Crazy4dogs

    Good to hear that pitlove! :)

  • Pitlove

    Figured I’d do an update for those of you who knew the trouble I was having with Bentleys skin.

    He’s been eating Fromm Gold Large Breed Adult for over a month now with Grizzly Salmon Oil with every meal and Fresh Pet Vital as a snack after dinner. He’s doing amazing. His hair has totally grown back and he has pretty much zero flakey patches of skin. His fur is the softest it’s ever been as well.

    I finally feel like I can breathe again!

  • Georgiapeach

    I have had several boxers over the years. Except for the one I have now, they did not do well on grain inclusive kibbles at all. They also did better on kibbles with moderate protein and fat levels. I had good results with Taste of the Wild Pacific Stream (grain free, 25% protein/15% fat). Other boxers I’m familiar with have had good luck with the kibbles in the Acana Singles line, which also has moderate protein (below 30%). The boxer I have now is doing well on Fromm Gold Adult, but he’s the exception, in my experience.

  • Pitlove

    Best of luck. I dont think you can go wrong with Fromm!

  • skunkworks

    Thanks so much for the quick reply/response! I am pleased to hear this! I’ll give Fromm a good trial and report back! :-)

  • skunkworks

    Hi, I appreciate all of the comments! I’ve been doing quite an extensive review of dog foods, the facts and science is amazing! So. We have a huge Great Dane, and have been using Purina ONE Chicken/Rice which I didn’t quite like given all of the facts about it and does contain tons of corn… so I was comparing Fromms + Merrick + Diamond + Blue Buffalo – and decided to go with Fromms. I like 1) Family, Small and the Quality Checks, 2) History 3) made all in USA 4) Ratings are high. When I opened the bag the food does smell pretty clean. All I kind of noticed was the kibbles are like very light looking.. may be that’s the duck meat… and chicken… but wasn’t as dark at others kibbles I’ve seen.. So I started to second guess myself that the protein was too low. Has anyone else has good results with this food with GIANT breeds such as Great Danes? Overall I’ve ready my 2 weeks of transition in little zip loc bags so I am committed to try this food. But wanted to see what others with GIANT breeds thought. Thanks.

  • Pitlove

    AHHHHH The cuteness is overwhelming!!

    Glad he loves the food. Fromm is one of my favorites!

  • Crazy4cats

    He’s perfect!! Thanks for sharing.

  • Haley Freese

    Since all of you were so much help when I had questions about Fromm, I wanted to share a couple pictures of my new baby :). Meet Koda! He is a fluffy Pembroke Welsh Corgi. I was originally getting a short haired, tri color, female but when I saw this lil guy I knew he had to be mine! He is the sassiest little thing and already has me wrapped around his finger.

    Btw, I am very impressed with the quality of this food and Koda loves it!

  • LabLover

    The Fromm Gold brand was an easy switch and they did good on it but they seem to be a little hungrier quicker though. I always feed them at 10 am and 6 pm and they seem good but when on the Fromm, they were wanting fed by 4:30 They have been on Dr Tims prior to this, and has been their main food. Otherwise, they liked eating it and looked good. We went through two bags before I posted an opinion. I have three labs that are very active. and weigh 55lbs, 80 lbs, and 90 lbs.

  • Pitlove

    Yes this is a decent food. I’ve used the Prairie Gold and the 4 Star Nutritionals and my pitbull still maintains a lot of muscle and stays at his ideal weight even though the protein is not as high. This is also an excellent family owned company.

  • LawofRaw

    Decent? Yeah, can be considered that for a dry food. It’s not the best of kibbles but no where near the worst. Ingredients are generally good with named meats and meals, which are pros. Cons are, its protein level is low and carbohydrate level high. But that is a common trait in most dry foods given they need binders like grains to bind the kibble, as well as the fact its cheaper to manufacture dog food with higher carb levels than meat based protein. The other con is they use grains here to make this food. Unlike some of the higher rated dry dog foods, that are grain free and use starchy ingredients like potatoes, peas and tapioca to bind their kibbles.

  • sharron

    hi – is this food decent? – just bought a bag of the weight management

  • Pitlove

    what Sandy said. however that does not matter to me. this is an excellent food and I plan to feed my next giant breed puppy the large breed puppy formula.

  • sandy

    It didn’t have enough protein to earn 4 stars or higher.

  • Lori Stahl

    Can anyone tell me, why the Fromm Gold large breed adult, only received 3.5 stars instead of 4?

  • Pitlove

    Fromm Gold Large Breed Puppy is an Editor’s Choice approved LBP food. So good choice :)

  • Jourdan

    That’s great! Way to be proactive. It will ultimately be up to your little pup. You can see how he/she is doing on the food and go from there. Orijen is supposed to be one of the best foods and I really wanted to keep him on it but it just isn’t working for him. Congrats on the new pup and good luck!!

  • Crazy4cats

    Lol! Sounds like you are pretty excited! Hope your plan works out. When’s the big day? Post pictures, please.

  • Haley Freese

    I have decided to go with Fromm Large Breed Puppy Food and eventually switch her over to Fromm’s 4 star line when she no longer needs a puppy formula. I actually have not gotten her yet, I just have been researching a lot!

  • Jourdan

    What did you end up going with? I am in the process of slowly weaning my 7 month old golden from orijen large breed puppy to Fromm gold large breed puppy. He eats anything and everything so taste isn’t an issue but the kibble is so tiny in comparison. Just curious how your pup is doing.

  • aquariangt

    Hi Haley, if you are looking for LGP food for the pup, (which I know Corgis have some hip issues but the rate at which they grow compared to a large breed still leaves me skeptical on the calcium to phosphorus needs) I would head over to the forums and check out in the canine nutrition subforum Hound Dog Moms post about LGP Foods. There is a ton of research, read the first 2-3 pages, and then go on to page 36ish and hit the list of approved foods. Fromm Large Breed Puppy I believe is on there. Fromm Gold is my first bag of food I always put a new puppy on after the initial first few weeks of feeding what the breeder was on for adjustment. It’s easily tolerated and a good transition food. Good luck, post pictures, because corgi puppies are hard to beat :)

  • Haley Freese

    Hello! I am getting my first corgi puppy in a few months and I’ve been researching dog food like crazy. From what I’ve read, Fromm seems like a good brand that is worth trying. However, a few things are concerning me about the Fromm Gold Large Breed Puppy formula. For example, the CA/PH ratio is 1.1:1, which is technically within the proper range (1.1:1-1.5:1), but it is on the lower side. Also, this specific formula has 2.7 g of calcium per 1000 kcals of food, which is slightly outside the recommended range for a large breed puppy food (3.0-4.5). I want to provide the best possible food for my puppy, and would love some advice from owners who are educated on this specific topic. (CA/PH, large breed puppy food requirements, Etc).

    btw, Large breed puppy food is highly recommended for corgi’s because of the requirements of the breed. I didn’t just choose it randomly :)

  • Bethanie Nice

    We recently adopted a 7 year old Springer Spaniel who was being retired from a breeder. The breeder claimed to have fed Blue Buffalo (a lamb version). Before adopting her and purchasing a puppy, I came here and other places and did my research and decided on the Fromm brand for both.

    Puppy loves the puppy but the adult does not seem to be thrilled with the gold. She seems to eat it when she is hungry. We have added fromm canned and even Merrick canned to get her to eat, sometimes she does, sometimes she doesn’t.

    I will say that her coat looks much better in four weeks and she hasn’t had any significant weight loss, no loose stools or vomiting so I know what she is eating, is doing her good. Given the chance she will consume the puppy food at times but not always. Maybe I just have a finicky eater?

    Seems most reviews claim that dogs love it and I was hopeful but my dog doesn’t seem to be in that group. Any thoughts or suggestions on a different variety of fromm or different food altogether with the same rating or better. I will say that if she was truly on blue buffalo, her coat and skin were in terrible shape. Thanks in advance!

  • theBCnut

    You need to contact the company and ask for “As fed” numbers.

    Also, there is an article here about feeding large breed puppies and more on the forum side.

  • GSDblue

    Has anyone found the Ca:Ph for the new fromm large breed puppy grain free (red meat)? I want to try it! I am thinking of mixing it with their regular large breed puppy. I cant find all the numbers! Any help would be nice. I have an 11 week GSD :)

  • Mkdogzzzz

    Steph, trying adding some coconut oil daily to her food. She will love it. Depending on her size, start out small amt. I add between 1/2-3/4 tsp for 45-60 lb. dogs. Their coats and skin are beautiful with the Fromm and CO! Good Luck!

  • JASMc

    Yes. When she went home a couple months later you almost couldn’t see her skin anymore and her coat was smoother. My own dog loves Fromm (we feed adult gold) , he actually refused the food the rescue sent home with him. I’d also suggest fish oil, it’s good for the coat. I hope it helps your pup and she feels better!

  • Shawna

    Thank you so much catahoula59!!! So very kind of you to say!! :)

  • catahoula59

    Thanks for the share of the fish meal, etc. It is appreciated and may help many.

  • catahoula59

    So sorry to hear about Audrey. They make such an impact on our lives and it leaves such a deep hole in our heart when they leave.
    I haven’t been here in a while until yesterday but I always make it a point to read what you post because you are so knowledgeable in all areas. You were very helpful a few years ago when I was trying to get information about my girl–cutaneous lymphoma. Thanks again.

  • Shawna

    Hi Laurel,

    They likely tested for allergies and not for sensitivities as there is just the one test for sensitivities and it is done on saliva not blood. The thing with allergy tests is they are quite unreliable. They are known to have false positives and false negatives. The only truly reliable way to identify foods causing problems is with an elimination diet. My M.D. (who is also a Certified Clinical Nutritionist) put me on one and dairy (cow and goat) is what I react to. I had to put my kidney dog on one too and she reacted to barley, cow bone (meat was okay and bone from other animals was okay), cow tripe and pasteurized goat yogurt (she tolerated raw goat milk).

    Food allergies are rare but food sensitivities seem to be quite common. Some vets seem to be unaware of the differences between allergies and sensitivities/intolerances and tell folks that their pups symptoms are more likely due to the environment etc. Food sensitivities can cause a whole host of symptoms and are even known to cause autoimmune diseases. My kidney dog and myself both would develop incontinence if eating a food we were sensitive to. My grandson, who is gluten intolerant, and I both get a HORRIBLY chapped bottom lip (top lip is fine) if we eat the food we react to. My grandson gets diarrhea but I really don’t have gut issues with my sensitivity. Mine is much more sinister — I started temporarily going blind when I was 12 and I have MRI diagnosed brain damage (both gluten and dairy can cause these two symptoms). Although I didn’t have gut symptoms, the dairy still caused damage and I eventually developed deficiency diseases like iron deficiency, b12 deficiency and iodine deficiency hypothyroid. My symptoms were so uncommon that I went undiagnosed for about 30 years. Anyway, I disgress… :)

    I’m surprised the kidney recipe calls for white bread.. Not really very nutritious but if it’s working….

    I’m a foster parent but I’ve only had about 30 fosters in my home over the last eight years. Up till my kidney girl, Audrey, passed away two months ago I had eight dogs of my own. Audrey had kidney disease since birth and lived eight years and seven months. I miss her terribly!!!!!!!! =(

    Edit — I’ve not heard of potato being a good food for kidney disease and Audrey never really ate it. Too much sugar etc.

  • Laurel

    Our vet sent off blood for allergy testing on a shar pei I know has allergy, or food sensitivities. Didn’t realize they are different things so not sure how they tested. Her results were very surprising. We thought she was allergic to chicken since the grain free foods we had fed that had chicken made her itch. Her results showed she is allergic to corn, potato, sweet potato, milk, salmon, barely, and flax in the food group, and numerous environmental things. she’s also in kidney failure. Did the allergy testing because I was sure something we were feeding her for the kidney diet was an issue, turns out it was potatoes since its a good food for dogs in kidney failure and sometimes I had it in the mix. She is now doing excellent, as in gained 10 pounds, acts normal and even plays like a puppy on the homemade food we are feeding. We base it on white bread and white rice, add veggies and meat, meat juice and fats. We are following a recipe to a degree trying to balance the things she needs while reducing proteins and phosphorous. She loves it. Point is just that without testing, or a strict elimination diet its a real guessing game to know what odd ingredient may be the issue for any given dog. I disagree that it is rare a dog has a food allergy/sensitivity as someone said somewhere. We have several dogs who have issues with various foods, may not be true allergies but if it causes issues it doesn’t matter what the name of the issue is really for the dog. Most simply get diarrhea that won’t correct until the food is switched to something different. Like those people who are lactose intolerant. Besides having a kennel for almost 25 years we do lots of dog rescue so have probably fed more dogs of more breeds and mixes for a longer time then every on here combined. Sadly all while still not understanding all there is to know about what really is good, or not good for dogs in the long term. SO much information and it all overlaps or is interconnected with everything else.

  • JASMc

    I am aware. However it’s a good question and many people look to the comment section for more information/if they have questions. So I figured I’d put the information here incase someone else might like to know.

  • Crazy4cats

    Oops, JASMc must not have looked at the date of your post from 8 months ago! How is your dog doing now?

  • Jessica C

    This would have been great to know 8 months ago…. Considering my dog just turned one this is pointless information now

  • Shawna

    IgA sensitivities and intolerances can not yet be tested except through Dr. Jean Dodds NutriScan. Although getting better, the test is not all inclusive and as of right now only tests for 24 different foods. Some feel that NutriScan test is not accurate but I have not yet formed an opinion about that.

    I haven’t met many doctors, let alone vets, that know much about lectins and the damage they can do so when vets say things like what those said to you, I very much take it with a grain of salt. Another problem with lectins is that they can cause damage without obvious symptoms. In fact, lectins are known to cause autoimmune diseases in susceptible individuals.

    That said, I agree with you that grain free is not all it’s cracked up to be if you are simply replacing that grain with another starchy, high lectin food – like potato. Initially grain free foods were also better quality and lower in overall starch. That is not necessarily the case any longer.

    I disagree with you when you say grains have a place in a dogs diet but I would add to that not just grains but excess starch in general.

  • JASMc

    I understand that. I don’t think i articulated myself well. As I said below:
    My problem isn’t with that. Grain free diets aren’t necessarily bad and have their place in the dog food world. My problem is with the fad idea that every dog should be on grain free food, symptoms or not. Grains do have a place in a dogs diet and there are plenty of good diets that contain food. There is no point in spending more, and subtracting ingredients without reason.

  • JASMc

    Recent studies show, atleast according to several vets i’ve spoken with, just like in humans , that grain allergies and sensitivities are over reported. Most people can’t afford to do the test and switch their dogs to a grain-free diet, assuming that’s what it is. This often leads to a better quality of food and different ingredients, which solve the problem.
    My problem isn’t with that. Grain free diets aren’t necessarily bad and have their place in the dog food world. My problem is with the fad idea that every dog should be on grain free food, symptoms or not. Grains do have a place in a dogs diet and there are plenty of good diets that contain food. There is no point in spending more, and subtracting ingredients without reason.

  • theBCnut

    While it is completely true that chicken and beef are more likely to be the cause of an allergy, dogs with allergies and food intolerance/hypersensitivity issues are often triggered by more than one thing. My dog is triggered by chicken, turkey, flax, tomato, and all grains. It’s all about finding what works for each individual dog, not what they are statistically more likely to be bothered by.

  • Shawna

    Hi JASMc,

    True allergies are apparently quite rare while intolerances and sensitivities are much more common. During an allergic reaction immunoglobulin E (IgE) is released by the body in response to the allergic food. During an intolerance or sensitivity reaction immunoglobulin A (IgA) is released. Both of these immunoglobulins can cause the same allergic type reactions from the body.

    The foods most likely to cause an IgA response in dogs are grains, legumes, chicken and potato. Most of the regulars here on DFA have at least one dog that has a food intolerance or sensitivity.

  • JASMc

    Arsenic is naturally occurring a lot of food due to it being found in the soil. It sounds terrible, but the amounts found are usually inconsequential (80% more of a fraction of a safe amount…is often still a fraction of a safe amount). Brown rice also has lots of important nutrients, like folic acid, that balance out the risks.

  • JASMc

    Fish meal is usually a good source of DHA and eggs contain DHA, though the amount can depend on how the chickens are fed. I think you’re safe on that front.
    Crazy4cats has great suggestions. Some dogs struggle to get their digestive tract back in order after switching. Pumpkin is good for diahrrea or constipation, and probiotics usually balance things quite quickly.

  • JASMc

    A dog is statistically more likely to have an allergy to beef or chicken. Many grain-free foods also have a different protein source. On top of that grains, in small amounts, do provide nutrients as dogs are not strict-carnivores like cats.
    An animal can technically be allergic to anything, so they can be allergic to peas or potatoes but it’s not very likely.

  • JASMc

    The most common food allergies, contrary to the grain-free trend, is actually to meat proteins, specifically chicken or beef. If your previous food was more beef based that might be why.
    Two different dogs having the same allergy is suspect, as food allergies in dogs aren’t rampant. Just in-case I’d look to see if there were any environmental changes – new air freshener, ect, as dogs skin are often sensitive. Flea allergies are also extremely common, and all it takes is a single bite, see if they or you have been near other animals. Also see if your house is suddenly dry (I don’t know where you are but the onset of winter coincides with my own dogs dry skin) and if they have dandruff, fish oil can help with that.
    Otherwise I’d compare ingredients are give different formula’s a try. Try one with a different protein source, and then if that doesn’t work remove grains. This way you can have an idea of which it is, as you should take the allergy into account when buying treats and other products for the dogs.

  • JASMc

    I’d also like to point out that we boarded a rescue dog that turned out to have food allergies. While with us her fur started filling in nicely, though not 100% yet. After getting fostered and switched to another food (I think the rescue has a deal with Natural Balance but I can’t be 100% sure I have the brand right) her fur started thinning very quickly and she started itching (something we didn’t see at all). They didn’t do a panel, just switched her to a grain free, fish based, diet so we don’t know what she’s allergic to but we found this to be very interesting.

  • JASMc

    I’m a fan of Fromm Adult Gold, I think it’s a happy medium between good food and good price. Definitely a good starting point for your dog, as some may need a higher quality but other do not or cannot.
    I was introduced to this at the kennel I worked at. Dogs refusing to eat when they are new, is common, as well as generally picky eaters. We’ve found almost every dog chows down on this. Many of our picky eaters now happily eat this at home. Surprisingly, if switched over improperly/quickly (to get a dog to eat/owner forgot food) very few have had stomach issues, including dogs who we were warned will.

  • 2crazylabs

    Thank you very much for your comment and info. I have checked my fish oil and dosage and here is what I found: I was giving a combined total of 4600mg (my dogs are 60lbs) per day, i just lowered it to 2300 (basically one fish pill per day), which will put me at approx 38mg per pound of weight (combined EPA and DHA). I also verified the product I am using is Purified to remove all traces of mercury and the fish oil is from anchovies, mackerel and sardines. And when I started the fish oil I did quite a bit of research (on the Internet :) ) and found this product to be one of the better ones, however like I said it was Internet research. As for home cooked meals, I really would like to stay away from that, as we all know it is a lot of work AND the main reason, for me, is I am afraid of not giving them a balanced diet, including supplements. My main reason for posing a question on DFA was to see what people’s thoughts on Fromm Grain Free (since it has carrots, which I’ve been told are not a good food for dogs that have had cancer, because of the sugar), I did try to find a food that was highly rated and never been on recall list AND that stated its ingredients are from USA! Oh and to clarify, I started the fish pills and grain free (BB was the food I started with for grain free) AFTER my girls (Zoey) first MCT, so I was in no way thinking the fish oil had any cause or such for the MCT’s. And if anyone has a thought on changing from fish oil to another supplement, by all means give me your thoughts. I am sorry to all if you think I have posted too much.:) I just like opinions of people who may have more experience with this subject.

  • DogFoodie

    The first thing I’d take a look at is the fish oil. Too much fish oil is not good and doesn’t comes without risks. The safe dosage for healthy dogs is 100 to 150 mg EPA and DHA per 10 pounds of body weight daily. Take a look at the product you’re using and see how it compares. I’d also eliminate grains from her diet, which I think you have, right?

    Here’s a good article about fish oil:

  • 2crazylabs

    Oops forgot to mention that I just switched from BB Freedom to Fromm grain free 2 days ago. That may be an important factor for some.

  • 2crazylabs

    Hello all. I know this is not a Fromm Gold question, but it is a Fromm Prairie Gold Grain Free question. I have a 7 yr old female lab that has had 2 (small) MCT on the skin in the last 3 or so years (and has been almost 2 yrs since the last one, both were Grade II low-grade), so feeding her a food that that has carrots (and maybe other things I am not aware of that could be high in sugar) makes me a little concerned. Should I be concerned? Oh and I also give Fish oil daily (triple strength, 2 pills per day, started around the time of the last MCT removal). Any insight would be greatly appreciated :)

  • Boxer mom

    Thank you sooooo much for taking the time to post. I will FORSURE look for this food. Thanks again.

  • theBCnut

    LOL!! I was wondering how you could have misinterpreted my post that badly. No worries! We’ve all done that at one time or another.

  • Natasha

    Hello Boxermom,
    I have a 1 and a half yr old cross between a bullmastiff mix, which resembles a boxer more than any other dog. Rio has very short fur, and has very high allergies. Itching was so frequent and vicious, he would scratch off his fur and bleed. after trying different types of food, eliminating almost everything to figure out what it was, we finally took him to get an allergy test. We found out he is allergic to wheat, corn, soy, rice and lamb, (among 15 other non food related allergens). This test was precious to us as were able to find the source of his allergies.
    The vet told us MANY dogs mainly bullmastiffs, boxers, bostons terriers etc etc are often allergic to grains and rice! There is a FROMM food called the ‘Game bird medly’ which does not have any of these ingredients, not even the rice! I would suggest perhaps that you try that before switching off Fromm entirely. Also, it takes about 2-4 weeks before you can conclude whether or not the itching is from the food. Since you have already fed another food, than your dogs will keep itching for a fe weeks until the allergens leave their system.
    If you do change to another food entirely, I would highly suggest you avoid wheat, soy, corn and rice as much as possible for your boxer. It will avoid allergies, and also offer him a much more nutritious diet, budget permitting of course.
    I hope this helps!

  • Natasha

    Oops posted in wrong place, see my comment above! sorry

  • clippiequeen

    I just wanted to stop by and say thank you for this website and everyone here who got me on the right track. As a first time owner I trusted my vet when he recommended Hills. Now I know better. My 6 month old Border Collie is on Fromm Gold Puppy and he is thriving! Not only is Fromm better quality and better rated (4.5), it costs less. Go figure. P.S. My boy is the top left BC in the picture. :)

  • clippiequeen

    For the egg topper, do I boil the egg and then cut it up?

  • Karen

    I used to feed my girl blue buffalo wilderness, she has gotten so sick from it. Diarrhea and extremely thin with the rapud weight loss. I thought at first she had worms so treated and treated for every worm known. I now am feeding her boiled chicken and cooked rice waiting for her stomach to settle down and get healthy before I start feeding her something else. I have a wolfdog (timber wolf/malamute mix) that just turned a year old at the beginning of December. I had tried everything I can think of to help her with the diarrhea before googling if blue buffalo dog food could be causing it and the search results that I got were scary, there are a lot of complaints about blue buffalo food. So for the last few weeks I’ve been giving her nothing but the boiled chicken and cooked rice until yesterday and today when I gave her a cup of the blue buffalo food in between her feedings to see how she reacted to it… not good. Just when I got her poo starting to firm up, it goes back to pouring out of her again, so it’s definitely the blue buffalo food causing this. I feel so bad for giving it to her now, but I needed to see if it was the food or something she had gotten into without me knowing. I had always given her yogurt with her food before but I figured she was almost a year okd she didn’t need it anymore so I stopped and that’s when the diarrhea started. Now, I’m debating which food to give her. I get so many suggestions but the ones I’ve got the most of were fromm and wellness core, the others were for lower grade foods that I will never buy for her. Any suggestions on what type of food?

  • Dori

    Try putting your dogs on an all grain free food. It did wonders for my three dogs one of which was scratching 24/7. After the grain free I continued to tweak her diet removing other ingredients I felt she was sensitive to. Now she only scratches in the Spring and Fall. As well as food sensitivities which are all under control now, she has environmental allergies. Good Luck.

  • Boxer mom

    Hi thank you. I. Going to try to remove the yeast first. The one itching the worst has had skin I fections and the vet told me yeast would make them worsen. If that’s not it I will remove a few others. Fromm actually has a duck and sweet potato without yeast. I have been mixing wellness can food in their food for long time and I see no yeast in those. But they do have duck n sweet potato. I try to mix different flavors of can food in food to keep it a bit different so the picky one eats :) the other one I may remove me t is the oats. There are none of those in the can food either. Thanks again so much for your help.

  • theBCnut

    Fromm has duck, barley, oats, fish, lamb, potato, eggs, cheese, flax, brewers yeast, alfalfa, carrots, lettuce, and celery that are not in the RC.

  • theBCnut

    I think most people have done that at some time. I answered down below.

  • theBCnut

    All the food ingredients, no matter how far down the list. Don’t worry about vitamins and minerals. If they list rice 3 different ways, just think of it as rice, or any other ingredient.

  • Boxer mom

    Geez I did it again. I meant to reply to you not myself. I put ing. Below in pictures. I’m confused a bit.

  • Boxer mom

    Posted to my reply sorry I thought I was replying to you. I included the ing. In pictures.

  • Boxer mom

    I’m confused. Do I look at all ing. Or how many like the first 5? They look to be very much the same but in a different order? Thank you

  • Boxer mom

    Oh boy :( I was so excited to find a good food they would eat :( I thought maybe the chicken was the cause maybe it was a higher amount than before. I will have to look into the ingredients as you said. Thank you.

  • theBCnut

    Definitely look at those ingredient lists then. The problem with switching within the same brand is that while the meat type may change, almost all the other ingredients stay virtually the same, and it is just as likely to be one of the other ingredients that your dogs are reacting to. If this is a food sensitivity, then any ingredient that has protein in it can be the cause, including peas, beans, flax, tomato, rice, etc.

  • Boxer mom

    Thank you. The itching started right away after the food change. Both of them are itching and hadn’t ever done this before. They have cardiomyopathy and the youngest is on medication. Vet and cardiologist suggest low protien foods. Youngest is a very picky eater. With the Fromm their stools are good. They were previously eating Royal Cannin Boxer. It took months to find a food they would eat. Now that I found a good food they will eat they are itching :( the itching at first wasnt bad but the longer they eat Fromm the worse it has gotten and its both of them :(

  • theBCnut

    First, look at the ingredients in Fromm versus the old food. Take note of the ingredients that are different. It is probably one of those that she is reacting to. You want to find a food that either doesn’t have those ingredients, or only has one or two, so you can start to figure out what of those ingredient they do and don’t react to. Just a thought, could this be a winter dry skin issue? And why do they have to stay on lower protein?

  • Boxer mom

    I have two boxers that were switched to Fromm Gold Dry food about 3 months ago. I’ve noticed a increase of itching? Should I switch to a different flavor of Fromm or try a different Fromm line of food? They need to stay on a lower protien food. No higher that the gold line. Thank you in advance for your suggestions.

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  • Cindy

    Do peas or potatoes get sprayed or develop problems, you bet they do. Grain free is not always better. Many are filled with peas & potatoes.

  • Boxer mom

    Thank you so much for your advice. It’s greatly appreciated

  • Boxers6

    I had the same problem with my girl. Horrible ear issues, with the hair on the tips of her natural ears crusty and missing from all the itching. She was about 2 when it all started.Vet had me trying all kinds of different grain free food. It would help for awhile some longer than others but then I had to switch. I finally found California Natural Kangaroo and she has been on it for almost 2 years with no issues. I also add Grizzley Pollock oil to her food, I started this in 2013. She now has no itching, no dry skin, she looks wonderful. I hope this helps because I know how frustrated and discouraged I felt. This picture was taken 2 days ago.

  • Bob K

    Harley – Use the recommendations that are on the bag as a guideline. This can vary from brand and mfg. Measure the food – don’t guess. Is your dog underweight? Overweight? How much exercise does it get? What about other food – treats, human food etc…….. How are the poops? Just because your dog will eat all day, do not feed them as much as they want. Some labs are 40 lbs and some are 80lbs. Has your vet made any comments on the dogs weight?

  • theBCnut

    It varies a LOT dog to dog, so no one can answer that for you. The best amount is the amount that keeps your dog thin, but not boney. Think athlete.

  • Harley Alyssa Mosley

    I have a 2-3 year old chocolate lab and was wondering what would be the best amount to feed her/

  • Shirley Bodine

    I have a 3 year old malti-zu and she weighs 4 pounds and I have a 13 year old Maltese who weighs 4 pounds, he use to weigh 5 ponds but has dropped a pound but my vet said he healthy and he is fine with that weight but he also said if he gained a pound that would be good too, I’ve been feeding them Wellness dry grain food and was wanting to try Fromm. Has anybody had a good response with this for little dogs?
    Thank you,

  • Suzi Ironmonger

    The grains in silos are chemically treated to kill off insects and rodents, as well as to help prevent fungal and mold growth. But still some spores survive and cause problems, plus the chemical residue. This residue can concentrate in some areas more then others and can be a factor in why some batches of kibble cause toxic reactions in our pets (diarrhea, vomiting, etc.) And even if this grain is not in your dog food, it may well be the food source for the protein that is..

  • Sarah Turpin

    Grain Free is the better way to go, simply because grains develop mold and fungus in the silos…many dogs have or develop allergies to grains.

  • Fishermanroly

    If you eat brown rice , white. Rice wild rice etc. You are also ingesting arsenic so i don’t think it’s an issue

  • Crazy4cats

    Have you tried adding plain canned pumpkin to her food while transitioning? Also adding probiotics can help as well. Good luck to you!

  • Jessica Clark

    My 18 week old Dobe puppy switched from wellness comp. health large breed puppy- to Fromm large breed puppy- granted we switched in a bit of a rush but it’s been two weeks and her bms are just not getting solid enough. I’m probably going to switch her to another food after this bag if it doesn’t clear up. The other thing was I didn’t see a thing about DHA on the bag for large breed pup.

  • Mike D’Innocenzio

    So what is the latest with brown rice and it’s arsenic contents? Is there enough for it to even be an issue?

  • Boxer mom

    Thank you

  • Betsy Greer

    Until I found my dog’s problem ingredients, he got them also. Yes, most definitely, ear infections can be related to food intolerance.

  • Lindsayface47

    This isn’t food related, but I highly recommend Zymox Otic for your pup’s ear infections. My Anatolian has had them for ten years, and it’s the only thing that clears them up. It’s also super cheap!

  • theBCnut

    Dr Mike assumes a certain ash level and his figure is in dry matter. Fromm likely does their figures including the moisture content of the kibble.

  • Mike D’Innocenzio

    Fromm actually reveals it’s carbohydrate content at 42. Is it incorrect that you have it at 48?

  • andrea

    why does the fromm weight management not show what star rating it is?

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    @ Judy,
    I was just about to post what Crazy4cats said, but she already said it all.

    Would you want to eat the same bowl of cereal for every meal, every day for the rest of your life?
    You would miss out on some nutrients.

    When the existing bag is 3/4 empty, buy a new flavor within the same brand or try a new brand altogether.

    I rotate between 3 or 4 flavors & brands.

    Slowly transition to the new bag over a week (a sudden change will result in diarrhea):
    Days 1 & 2: in each meal, 3/4 old food + 1/4 new food
    Days 3 & 4: in each meal, 1/2 old food + 1/2 new food
    Days 5 & 6: in each meal, 1/2 old food + 3/4 new food
    Days 7 on: 100% new food

  • dchassett

    Oh Jan! No I did not already know this. Thank you sooooo much! I wish customer service had told me that, I would have purchased the granules. I’m going to give them a call because I specifically spoke to them about the yeast, I don’t understand why she just didn’t tell me that the granules didn’t include the yeast. Darn!!!!!

  • Shawna

    So what all does he react to? Garlic and legumes/lentils and? Is it all legumes/lentils or just specific ones, or unknown?

  • Jan_Mom2Cavs

    You may already know this, but the Bug Off granules, not the chews, doesn’t have the yeast included….just 100% air dried garlic.

  • dchassett

    Hi Betsy. I just came across your post and wanted to mention to you that I purchased the Sprintime Bug Off Garlic also, I spoke to someone in customer service about this product, in particular because it contains Nutritional Yeast Culture, because of Katie and all of her allergies and intolerances. I was told that just because she’s allergic to yeast, she should do fine with the Nutritional Yeast Culture. Well, no actually she didn’t. As you know I have two other dogs so Hannah and Lola continue on with the Bug Off Garlic because neither have any allergies. Katie I continue to give her raw minced garlic as I did before and does fine. So, the reason for my post to you is that I am wondering if it is the garlic Sam is having an issue with or is it the yeast in the Bug Off.

  • Cyndi

    Hey Shawna! There is someone named Tina who posted a question on the off topic thread regarding her dog and kidney disease. I think she could use your help! :) Hers is like the 2nd new post down I believe.

  • Betsy Greer

    It was the Springtime Bug Off Garlic that pushed him over the edge. Then when I switched him to the next food, Canine Caviar, one of the only two he could eat, he reacted. When I checked the ingredients, sure enough, it contained whole clove garlic.

  • Kimi_Forever

    Thanks. I became really passionate about what i fed my last dog after i read about whats actually in a lot of pet foods. I tried to do the best i knew how to for my last dog, but didnt know about this site — i still didnt do too bad and am 95% sure my dog had a healthy gut even though i did not do a rotaional diet, i was lucky. And just hope i get lucky again having a dog that can tolerate whatever i choose to feed, like my last, but know that may not be the case.

    I am so afraid of that. Even if i dont end up with dog with food intolerances i was worried about what if they simply wont eat what i’ve picked out! I have a plan and hopefully it works if it doesnt ill have to re-adjust when i find out what i am working with…

  • Shawna

    You are the second person I’ve seen mentioning their pup having a garlic intolerance. That would SUCK!! :(

  • Betsy Greer

    Oh! No kidding!? That’s great that you’re doing so much research now.

    You’re definitely off to a great start. My only concern would be that as much as we might want to feed certain foods, things sometimes don’t work out as planned. I never anticipated having a dog with food intolerances and I’ve had to be very flexible with Sam, my Golden who’s just shy of two years old. He’s intolerant of fish and garlic and he gets gassy on foods that contain chickpeas or lentils. But, then I have a two year old Cavalier that can eat almost anything. I too had great plans for what I’d feed them both and what ended up with, for Sam in particularly, is vastly different than what I initially had in mind.

  • Kimi_Forever

    And i just want to say how much help some of the more regular members posts have been for me. I used to feed my old dog EVO dog food (before PG bought it) and then switched to merrick GF after they did. But i did not rotate my food or add in canned toppers or any toppers, i thought it was too expensive and not needed. But i do believe my dog had a healthy gut because i would buy her different dog food every now and then because i always felt the same thing was so boring (i just believed EVO was the best i knew of at the time, kinda like Orijen is my fav now) and she never had a problem regardless if i slow transitioned or not — the dog was always really healthy. But after reading all this info on this site the past few months it really opened my eyes to what i always really felt was best, i.e. high protein low carb, variety, etc…I am really thankful for you all!

  • Kimi_Forever

    Yes that is the list i have. Fromm’s GF surf and turf has changed from 4.5 star to a 5 star since HDM last did that list. and all fromms other GF’s got changed to 4.5 instead of 4, I do not know why….And i know the Orijen LBP was not on the list, and i was upset by that because Orijen seems to be my favorite brand, but HDM informed me that Orijen LBP has been recently reformulated and it’s almost acceptable, and that if i add in fresh meat toppers or canned food meant for intermittent feeding i could reduce it to an acceptable level (however i cant find a canned intermittent feeding formula that does not have Carrageenan in it that is not manufactured by evangers, booo). As long as i was rotating the Orijen LBP with other foods safely within that range. Which both the Core Puppy and Surf and Turf are…I FEEL like i have a decently solid plan of attack now having lurked around this site for a little while reading posts, etc…But i am still confused on how to figure out how much of a can to feed or how much real meat i should add in, Lol…Because i know that as well as calcium levels, overfeeding a LBP can be bad too.

  • theBCnut

    I don’t have large breeds anymore so some of my choices might not be ok for your situation. Here’s some of my list
    Nature’s Logic
    Back to Basics
    Nature’s Variety Instinct
    Earthborn Holistic Grain Free
    Some of them are 35% and above, some of them are close to 35%. I wouldn’t reject a 34% food and I might even feed a 30% food or even a little lower, if I felt that it was a very superior food, since I can always add more raw foods to boost the protein. I just haven’t seen any foods that fit into that category and work for my current dog with issues. I like foods like Fromm and NutriSource as part of a rotational diet, but not long term. In fact NutriSource is my go to food for transitioning a new dog, but I do try to get them on to the next food before too long.

  • theBCnut

    Is this the list from HDM that you have? This is the newest list.

  • Kimi_Forever

    Actually I do not have an Akita Pup yet. I am still in the process of selecting a breeder and waiting for my puppy. I am just trying to plan ahead so i know what to do before the pup gets here, start off on the right foot so to speak….I have read the first few pages of HDM’s LBP thread on nutrition and have used her list and her advice to help me select three foods i feel comfortable with that also meet the criteria for a LBP. I selected Fromm GF surf and turf, Wellness Core Puppy, and Orijen LBP (based on HDM’s advice on it’s calcium content) for my puppy foods. I plan on mixing petcurean Go! fit+free canned and fromm Gold canned as 20% toppers with the Core Puppy and Fromm Surf and Turf (as those canned foods have no carrageenan in them, was hard to find ones that dont). And plan to mix Fresh meat toppers with the Orijen LBP to help bring down it’s almost acceptable calcium content (per HDM’s advice)…However i just dont know how much canned and how much fresh meat i need to add to make up for the 20%. As like i said i dont want to overfeed…But that is my current plan of attack for when i bring my puppy home. Just trying to make sure i am doing what’s best! Thanks for your input!

  • Betsy Greer

    OK, I went back through your posts and it sounds like you have an Akita pup that’s probably about four months old right? Sticking to no more than 20% with toppers avoids throwing off the nutritional balance of the kibble. Great toppers for your pup would be fresh lean meats and fresh eggs.

    Have you visited the forums area of this site for more information about LBP nutrition?

  • Kimi_Forever

    That sounds like a good idea, and has been suggested to me here before. And i intend on doing it. However I am going to be doing it for a Large breed puppy and i do not know how much to add to their kibble and how much kibble to take away. I was told that 20% is a good topper amount for a meal. And it’s easy to figure out how to take away 20% of a dogs kibble but i dont know how to figure out how much real meat or canned food to add to make up for that 20% reduction….If that makes sense…I am concerned because i do not want to over feed my large breed puppy and cause fast growth by doing so…

  • Betsy Greer

    That’s are good protein levels Kimi. You can, and should, boost protein with fresh whole food ingredients like tinned sardines and fresh eggs several times weekly.

  • Kimi_Forever

    Sorry to be off topic. But might i ask you, if you dont mind sharing, what pet foods you use in your rotation that are all over 35% protein? Two i’ve selected are both at 34% protein and one is at 30% (and is made by fromm) which i think should be good enough. It seems hard for me to find a company i can feel like i trust that also has high protein. But i am just curious as to what you personally use if you dont mind sharing.

    Thanks in advance.

  • theBCnut

    The thing with citric acid is that some people believe that adding water to a food with citric acid in it may cause bloat in bloat prone dogs. Science has not been able to replicate this. Bloat is likely a very complicated issue, where multiple things have to happen at the right time to make bloat occur. I say this because everything that they have tried to prove as a cause of bloat has not tested out.

  • stephspov

    :) Keep me posted.

  • Judy C

    I was considering Wellness, and you pushed me over the edge. Came back with a bag of Wellness Core Grain Free for Large Breed today. Keeping my fingers crossed that he likes it. Thanks for the help.

  • Crazy4cats

    Yahoo! I’m glad you finally found a good fit.

  • Crazy4cats

    The main fear with adding water to the kibble is that it will spoil faster if not eaten right away. Otherwise, it is a healthy addition. In my opinion adding canned, dehydrated, eggs, sardines or healthy left overs to dry food is a great idea. I don’t consider it a treat when I add it to my dogs food. I consider it making their dry food more healthy. Canned food typically contains more protein and less carbs, preservatives and fewer additives. I know this is all so confusing and frustrating at times, but it sounds like you are on the right track. Good luck!

  • stephspov

    From what I understand, it is bad if they don’t eat it all, then you have to throw it away. You don’t want it to sit around and it goes bad. I don’t have leftovers anymore with Wellness Core. I don’t put enough to make it mushy, just a spray to moisten it. This way it’s still crunch on the inside and a little moist on the outside. I too have read, and read, and read, to the point of many headaches. Think about it, the moist food has water in it, so technically you are adding water. 😉 I have found, when I treat my dogs to moist food, in the past, my boxer would literally eat around and spit out the dry kibble, but with this food, he does’t do that anymore. He eats it all! No issues… I just wish I followed my “motherly” instinct years ago and switched to a high quality grain free. I probably would have spared my boy years of stomach issues. Now, it took a couple of weeks on the food for his body to show the major improvement, but he definitely improved!

  • Boxer mom

    Thanks again, I have to heat kibble to get them to eat. I put a spoon of wellness can food in and mix it good. I would like not to have to do that. I have heard many times not good to dampen or wet food because the Citric Acid in food i think? I have read so many things i’m confusing myself ;(

  • stephspov

    Want to get rid of green smoke ( I have a boxer and know! He has cleared a room in the past!) Try Wellness Core Grain Free (cheaper through or Amazon Prime then in the store). They do not need the rice. They need the right ingredients with pre & probiotics. Also, Pet-Valus own Performatrin Ultra Grain Free is an excellent choice.

  • stephspov

    I would definitely try the Wellness Grain Free! He is a little gassy, but nothing like he use to be. I think it’s mainly when he gets into something ;). I don’t regularly add moist food, but have done so for a treat. I put a tablespoon and mix it up real well. He doesn’t realize it’s not a lot, just that he has a treat. Sometimes I sprinkle a little water on his kibble. It brings the smell out more. Also, my boxer would leave his food for hours, sometimes an entire day before eating it. Now seeing how he eats this food, I believe it may have been causing stomach issues, and that’s why he wasn’t eating it. He also did well on Pet-Valu’s own Performatrin Ulta Grain Free (has pre & probiotics). Since I have a puppy (mini Australian Shepherd) that I have on Wellness Core Puppy, I wanted to get them on the same food. It’s wonderful, I have it on autoship through, and if I am off on my calculations, I can postpone delivery (they notify you that your autoship is coming up and ask if you are ready or need to postpone) Give it a try! You will be shocked how the flatulence decreases (unless it’s the moist food doing it!! :) Keep me posted! Steph :)

  • Boxer mom

    Thanks so much for sharing!!! Right now they are eating Wellness Complete deboned chicken and oatmeal. I tried several and this is the only one they would eat more than twice. I have noticed that they are gassy the last few days. This kind isn’t grain free but, maybe that’s what I will try as they are now snubbing their nose at it. They been eating it about two weeks now. I have always added a veggie to there food peas or green beans but they are insisting on adding can food to it before they will eat it ;( Mine are ages 1.5, 6 & 11 don’t really have any weight issues. Should I try the core grain free? Thanks again. Oh I should add that I tried the fromm and they didn’t like it. Also tried the wellness fish and they didn’t like that either.

  • stephspov

    I know I responded up top, but omg! My vets all said “chicken” .. well, it wasn’t the chicken! it was most definitely a grain/gluten issue! Also, remember that the protein levels are higher because of ingredients like peas and other non meat sources (which I learned from here). So, just because it may list a high protein source, doesn’t mean it’s not all meat protein. Take it from another boxer mom. It took 8 years of listening to recommendations from my vet before doing what I thought may help all along…. I wish I didn’t wait so long! If you try another grain free, again, make sure it has pre & probiotics (pre-chicory root) and the pro is listed with the long names at the end of the ingredients (CRUCIAL with boxers!). Good luck!!

  • stephspov

    For 8 years I tried different high quality food for my boxer Hooch. He never had solid waste and had major stomach issues. Every so often I would wake up to quite a mess downstairs that stunk the house out and ruined a couple of steam cleaners…. Two different vets said no way was it a grain issue, but most likely a protein source issue. I finally switched to high quality grain free and he is doing GREAT!! For the first time he has solid poo. I have him on Wellness Core Reduced Fat (because he is older and a little over weight). It has both pre & probiotics, which I feel is essential for a boxer. Oh, and he loves it! Even the Reduced Formula. It is expensive, but I buy it on and it’s a lot cheaper and worth the price! Do yourself a favor and try it. POI, Not all Grain Free high end dog food is created equal. I tried Merrick with him, and (although many people love it) it gave my boxer the runs.

  • stephspov

    I really like Wellness Core Grain Free. It’s not specified for large breed, but if you check the protein content, it’s above average. My boxer is 75lbs and doing great on it. (My guy is on reduced fat :))

  • theBCnut

    Then Fromm ought to be a good choice.

  • Boxer mom

    Vet suggested low protein. I choose the duck n sweet potato because vet said could also be allergic to chicken. Plus they don’t do good on with potatoes.

  • theBCnut

    Does your dog need low protein? One of my critetia for food is that the protein is over 30% and almost all of the foods I use have a protein over 35%. Even then, I add meat toppers, fish, eggs, etc. Fromm is a good food from a good company, but I would rather have more meat in a kibble, especially long term.

  • Boxer mom

    I got Fromm duck n sweet potato. I hope it’s ok. Has low protein and no yeast in it.

  • theBCnut

    One of the foods that I really like for dogs with sensitive stomachs is NutriSource. It is generally well tolerated and pretty easy to transition to.

  • Boxer mom

    Would really appreciate some suggestions. My youngest has had repeated ear/skin infections from yeast. Vet says could be environmental. I’m convinced it’s from the food because all three of them have recently refused to stop eating. Vet suggested science diet sensitive stomach. They wouldn’t touch it. I’m ok they didn’t because that is not a brand I prefer to use. Please help!

  • Crazy4cats

    Fromm is definitely a great company. However, It is recommended to switch brands every now and then anyway. The diet rotation is talked about in the FAQ tab up above. The hard part of buying large breed dog food is that different companies have different philosophies on what is best for large breeds. Some companies large breed food will be high in protein and low in fat, while others will agree with the vet and their recipes will be lower protein for their large breed food. You will have to do some research and figure out what you are going to look for and always check the ingredients and guaranteed analysis panels. I finally figured out you can’t just look at the packaging and marketing of the food. Good luck!

  • Judy C

    Thank you….he’s lots of fun. Didn’t mean to put up the large pic. Never posted before and thought I was doing the icon. I did try samples of Orijen and Acana, but he turned his nose up at them….sigh. My vet said to stick to a large breed food which really limits choices in the grain free foods…so confused. Guess I have more studying to do. I’d rather stick with someone who makes and packages their own food.

  • Crazy4cats

    Oh man, what a beautiful dog! I am going to make an educated guess that it is rated lower due to a lower protein percentage. Take a look at how the food is rated in the FAQ (frequently asked questions) tab. The rating system is explained there. There are some groups of people that believe large breed dogs should have lower amounts of protein. However, many posters on this site do not agree with that theory and think that they should be on high protein and low carb diets.

  • Judy C

    I too would like to know why Fromm Large Breed is rated with only 3.5
    stars. My collie is about ready to go to an adult food. I’ve been
    feeding him the Large Breed Puppy. I really just planned on moving to
    the Large Breed Adult, but now I’m not so sure. Why the low rating???

  • Boxer mom

    My dogs are currently eating royal canin and I would like to switch them to this. They have sensitive stomached is there a certain formula of Fromm you would suggest?

  • Mike D’Innocenzio

    Why is the Large Breed Adult rated at a lower 3.5? Also, is the ash content taken into consideration when rating? I know of a couple of 5 stars that don’t disclose their ash content. Just for that alone they should be knocked down regardless of their ingredients.

  • glock22

    Switched from Blue Buffalo to Fromm two weeks ago. My Lab seems much more energetic and goes crazy for this food. Blue is a great food, but this one seems even better for the same amount of money per bag.

  • glock22

    My lab has never had any problems switching foods. I changed his food cold turkey from Blue Buffalo to Fromm and he was fine. He seems to be more energetic on the grain free food.

  • aimee

    Of course overall health plays a role in arsenic toxicosis in dogs. When ingesting levels in the mg/kg range dogs with debilitation or dehydration will be more susceptible than their healthy counterparts.

    However the levels in rice, for this species, are so teeny tiny I can’t see this as anything but a non issue.

    I’ve always said eating is risky business and if you feel uncomfortable with rice than by all means don’t feed it!

    I didn’t comment on the digestive issue, but when the OP wrote green smoke I assumed he meant smelly gas not diarrhea… shrug

  • dchassett

    Aimee. I think one would have to take into consideration the health of the dog, any underlying conditions and the longevity of the dogs life. Is there really a legitimate reason for feeding a dog rice every single day (twice a day if you divide their food) day in day out for the rest of their lives just to deal with diarrhea issues when there are so many others ways that this issue can be dealt with. Anyway, I just wouldn’t chance it. I’m not saying everybody should avoid rice, it’s just my opinion. One time they say something and then assure you of there test results and a few years later they say “Oops! Never Mind”. Let’s not forget how they scared everyone about the evils of eggs and then did a 180.

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  • LabsRawesome

    Hi Michael, for digestion problems, I would recommend digestive enzymes and probiotics. Not rice.

  • aimee

    Hi Michael,
    In regards to arsenic in rice, yes it was found in rice for human consumption. Is it a problem for dogs? No, I’d say it is not.

    The problems found in humans with long term low level exposure have not been replicated in dogs. And as a one time toxic exposure a 20 lb dog would need to eat 5000 cups cooked rice at one time.

    Different things have different toxicity levels in different species.

    I would caution you though,when feeding a pup not to have more than 10% of the calories come from an unbalanced source such as rice.

  • LabsRawesome

    Yes, it is. Instead of rice try digestive enzymes, and Probiotics.

  • Michael Farmer

    Michael Farmer
    re: the arsenic content of rice. We started adding cooked long grain rice to our puppy’s Fromm’s Gold Large Breed dry food to reduce digestion problems (aka, green smoke). Is arsenic content a concern using rice sold for human consumption?

  • InkedMarie

    I just had a flashback to when we bought a failed show prospect fox terrier. I had no idea what the food was she gave us but it was in a paper bag and the outside of the bag was greasy. I threw it out and she went on Eukanuba with no upset at all. This was the 90;s and Euk was a high quality food back then.

  • losul

    If it’s any further consolation to you, when we first got our dog, we didn’t know what he had been used to eating, so no transition period. So we started with a 4 star kibble, and after about 4 weeks, then transitioned to 1/2 raw, and 1/2 the same kibble. He had gas that would knock a buzzard off of a gut wagon, that lasted the entire first 8 weeks or so we had him, before it finally began subsiding. After maybe 12 weeks total, the gas had completely or near completely stopped. The entire time he showed no obvious signs of discomfort, although we always wondered. The farting was the only issue we had other than some initial eye buggering after we began raw. After about 6 weeks, no more eye buggars either.

    Fast forward to today, we feed him about 50% homemade raw of a wide variety of ingredients, about 15% various canned foods, and about 33% various kibbles. Seldom now, I think I have detected a faint fart odor when he is laying within a couple of feet, but nothing at all like those first weeks.

    So just saying, as long as she’s not having other issues and she’s not showing signs of obvious discomfort, poop is O.K., no vomiting, etc.. the passage of time just might ease the passage of gas.

  • Michelle Jones-Smith

    Thank you everyone, I feel a lot better after hearing your comments!

  • Crazy4cats

    Hi Michelle-
    I agree with the others. You’ve made a big switch and it might take a little more time for your dog’s system to get used to it. Mean while, have you tried to add any digestive enzymes to the food? I notice that it makes a big difference in my dogs’ gas when I remember to add it. Especially when switching foods. I’m not at home and I do not remember the name of the one I’ve used. But there are many good ones. Also Honest Kitchen makes a supplement called Perfect Form that contains some enzymes as well as other ingredients that help to transition to a new food. Another thing is you might try adding a topper to make the new food more appealing. I have labs and they love everything so I have not experienced them not being excited to eat! But, have definitely experienced the gas. lol! Good luck.

  • Pattyvaughn

    That’s a huge step up in quality and it may take a while for her body to adjust to having that much protein. Digestive enzymes and probiotics help speed up the process.

  • dchassett

    Hi Michelle, IMO you need to give it more time. Barring any actual allergies to an ingredient in the food, you are probably dealing with gas and may even experience other things going on with your dog as she detoxes from the inferior much lower protein she was on before but two weeks is way to soon to assume that the food is not good for her. I agree with losul about why she doesn’t seem as excited about her food. Most of the lower end foods as you were feeding are chock full of carbs and ingredients to entice the dog to eat that food so that you will feel they are really loving it and you will continue to buy it. Give it some time before you decide it’s not good for her. It may be something in the food but too soon to tell. Give her gut a while to adjust. Anyway that’s been my experience through the years for what its worth.

  • Michelle Jones-Smith

    Thank you!

  • losul

    It’s possible there’s something in the food that is just not going to agree with her, but IMO, you should give it some more time, another 4 to 6 weeks or so as long as there aren’t any other issues happening, the food is fresh, and she is not eating too fast, and/or too much, or losing too much weight. Hopefully the gas will begin to subside as her systems adjust., if not then it might be time to look for another selection. There’s quite a bit of difference ingredient wise between a dog food such as pedigree and one such as Fromm. So quite a jump. It might have been better to not make such a drastic jump to start with, but since you already have, I would give it some more time.

    As to not being as excited about eating the new food, keep in mind that many of the lowly foods have various palatibility enhancers included in the meals to entice a dog to eat them. These won’t be included in the manufacturers ingredient panel when they are added to meals by a supplier. These palatibility enhancers may even be addictive?

  • Michelle Jones-Smith

    I just switched my lab a couple weeks ago from Pedigree to FROMM because I wanted her to have a better quality food but ever since we switched her she’s had really bad gas and doesn’t get as excited to eat as she used to. We switched her over slowly and it has been a couple of weeks now of eating only FROMM. I know that switching from a poor quality food to a better quality will effect her but should it take this long or does it sound like there may be something in the food that doesn’t agree with her?

  • PuppyLover12

    Did you talk to the vet? Sometimes an ingredient in the food may react to an unnoticed health issue. It happened once with a food with potatoes in it. The dog had a certain kind of cancer that the potatoes made worse. I hope your puppy is ok!

  • Tony Sobczak

    The best thing about Fromms is that I have been able to switch varieties without the normal transition. My Doxy gets a nice variety and so far likes each of the ones I’ve tried. None have posed any problems. She maintains a healthy weight nice shiney coat and good digestion.

  • Tony Sobczak

    You usually get what you pay for. For the quality of the food I think the price for Fromms is quite reasonable, and my Doxy has done really well with it.

  • Jan_Mom2Cavs

    I have used the Fromm Gold Senior recently and it is definitely smaller than Acana’s kibble. Of course their Small Breed version is, well, small lol. I used their Gold Adult quite awhile ago and I don’t remember it being as large as Acana, but it could’ve changed since I used it last.

  • Jan_Mom2Cavs

    I actually think sandy was just making an observation about Wellness Core’s new formula….but I’m sure she will speak for herself soon. :)