Fromm Gold Nutritionals (Dry)

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Rating: ★★★★☆

Fromm Gold Nutritionals dry dog food earns the Advisor’s second-highest tier rating of 4 stars.

The Fromm Dog Food Gold Nutritionals product line includes five kibbles, each claimed to meet AAFCO nutrient profiles for all life stages.

  • Fromm Gold Nutritionals Adult
  • Fromm Gold Nutritionals Puppy
  • Fromm Gold Nutritionals Large Breed Adult
  • Fromm Gold Nutritionals Large Breed Puppy
  • Fromm Gold Nutritionals Reduced Activity Senior

Fromm Gold Nutritionals Adult was selected to represent the others in the line for this review.

Fromm Gold Nutritionals Adult

Dry Dog Food

Estimated Dry Matter Nutrient Content

Protein = 27% | Fat = 18% | Carbs = 48%

Ingredients: Fresh duck, chicken meal, fresh chicken, brown rice, pearled barley, oatmeal, menhaden fish meal, chicken fat, fresh lamb, fresh Russet potatoes, dried tomato pomace, whole egg, salmon oil, fresh Wisconsin cheese, flaxseed, brewers dried yeast, alfalfa meal, fresh carrots, fresh lettuce, fresh celery, chicken cartilage, monocalcium phosphate, salt, potassium chloride, dl-methionine, chicory root extract, calcium sulfate, Yucca schidigera extract, sodium selenite, vitamin A acetate, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, vitamin B12 supplement, choline bitartrate, niacin supplement, d-calcium pantothenate, l-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate, riboflavin supplement, thiamine mononitrate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, folic acid, biotin, zinc sulfate, ferrous sulfate, manganous sulfate, magnesium sulfate, copper sulfate, cobalt carbonate, calcium iodate, sorbic acid (preservative), ferrous proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, manganese proteinate, magnesium proteinate, cobalt proteinate, dried Lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation product, dried Bifidobacterium longum fermentation product, dried Lactobacillus plantarum fermentation product, dried Enterococcous faecium fermentation product

Fiber (estimated dry matter content) = 3.9%

Red items when present indicate controversial ingredients

Estimated Nutrient Content
MethodProteinFatCarbs
Guaranteed Analysis24%16%NA
Dry Matter Basis27%18%48%
Calorie Weighted Basis23%37%41%

The first ingredient in this dog food lists duck. Duck is considered “the clean combination of flesh and skin… derived from the parts or whole carcasses of duck”.1

Duck is naturally rich in the ten essential amino acids required by a dog to sustain life.

Chicken meal is considered a meat concentrate and contains nearly 300% more protein than fresh chicken.

The third ingredient includes chicken. Like duck, this is another raw poultry item subject to the same moisture loss as a result of cooking.

The fourth item is brown rice, a complex carbohydrate that (once cooked) can be fairly easy to digest. However, aside from its natural energy content, rice is of only modest nutritional value to a dog.

The fifth ingredient lists barley. Barley is a starchy carbohydrate supplying fiber and other healthy nutrients. Unlike grains with a higher glycemic index, barley can help support more stable blood sugar levels.

The sixth item includes oatmeal, a whole-grain product made from coarsely ground oats. Oatmeal is naturally rich in B-vitamins, dietary fiber and is also (unlike many other grains) gluten-free.

The seventh item lists menhaden fish meal, another protein-rich meat concentrate. Menhaden are small ocean fish related to herring. They’re rich in protein and omega-3 fatty acids.

Fish meal is typically obtained from the “clean, dried, ground tissue of undecomposed whole fish and fish cuttings” of commercial fish operations.2

We are pleased to note that, unlike many fish meals, this particular item appears3 to be ethoxyquin-free.

The eighth item includes chicken fat. Chicken fat is obtained from rendering chicken, a process similar to making soup in which the fat itself is skimmed from the surface of the liquid.

Chicken fat is high in linoleic acid, an omega-6 fatty acid essential for life. Although it doesn’t sound very appetizing, chicken fat is actually a quality ingredient.

The ninth ingredient is lamb, yet one more meat protein.

The tenth ingredient is potato. Potatoes can be considered a gluten-free source of digestible carbohydrates. Yet with the exception of perhaps their caloric content, potatoes are of only modest nutritional value to a dog.

Tomato pomace is a controversial ingredient, a by-product remaining after processing tomatoes into juice, soup and ketchup.

Many praise tomato pomace for its high fiber and nutrient content, while others scorn it as an inexpensive pet food filler.

Just the same, there’s probably not enough tomato pomace here to make much of a difference.

From here, the list goes on to include a number of other items.

But to be realistic, ingredients located this far down the list (other than nutritional supplements) are not likely to affect the overall rating of this product.

With two notable exceptions

First, we note the use of dried fermentation products in this recipe. Fermentation products are typically added to provide enzymes to aid the animal with digestion.

Next, chicory root is rich in inulin, a starch-like compound made up of repeating units of carbohydrates and found in certain roots and tubers.

Not only is inulin a natural source of soluble dietary fiber, it’s also a prebiotic used to promote the growth of healthy bacteria in a dog’s digestive tract.

Then, we note the inclusion of salmon oil. Salmon oil is naturally rich in the prized EPA and DHA type of omega-3 fatty acids. These two high quality fats boast the highest bio-availability to dogs and humans.

Depending on its level of freshness and purity, salmon oil should be considered a commendable addition.

Next, brewers dried yeast. Brewers yeast can be a controversial item. Although it’s a by-product of the beer making process, this ingredient is rich in minerals and other healthy nutrients.

Fans believe yeast repels fleas and supports the immune system.

Critics argue yeast ingredients can be linked to allergies. This may be true, but (like all allergies) only if your particular dog is allergic to the yeast itself.

In addition, a vocal minority insists yeast can increase the risk of developing the life-threatening condition known as bloat. However, this is a claim we’ve not been able to scientifically verify.

In any case, unless your dog is specifically allergic to it, yeast can still be considered a nutritious additive.

What’s more noteworthy here is that brewers yeast contains about 48% protein, a factor that must be considered when judging the actual meat content of this dog food.

And lastly, this dog food also contains chelated mineralsminerals that have been chemically attached to amino acids. This makes them easier to absorb. Chelated minerals are generally found in better dog foods.

Fromm Gold Nutritionals Dry Dog Food
The Bottom Line

Judging by its ingredients alone, Fromm Gold Nutritionals looks to be an above-average dry dog food.

But ingredient quality by itself cannot tell the whole story. We still need to estimate the product’s meat content before determining a final rating.

The dashboard displays a dry matter protein reading of 27%, a fat level of 18% and estimated carbohydrates of about 48%.

As a group, the brand features an average protein content of 27% and a mean fat level of 16%. Together, these figures suggest a carbohydrate content of 49% for the overall product line.

And a fat-to-protein ratio of about 58%.

Near-average protein. Average fat. And average carbohydrates… when compared to a typical dry dog food.

With no sign of any plant-based protein boosters, this looks like the profile of a kibble containing a moderate amount of meat.

Bottom line?

Fromm Gold Nutritionals is a grain-based kibble using a moderate amount of chicken meal as its main source of animal protein… thus earning the brand 4 stars.

Highly recommended.

Those looking for a nice wet food to go with this kibble may wish to visit our review of Fromm Gold Nutritionals canned dog food.

Special Alert

Rice ingredients can sometimes contain arsenic. Until the US FDA establishes safe upper levels for arsenic content, pet owners may wish to limit the total amount of rice fed in a dog's daily diet.

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Notes and Updates

02/28/2010 Original review
10/01/2010 Review updated
06/25/2012 Last Update

  1. Adapted by the Dog Food Advisor from the official definition for chicken published by the Association of American Feed Control Officials, 2008 Edition
  2. Association of American Feed Control Officials
  3. Fromm, 2/28/2010
  • Hound Dog Mom

    It could be that something in the food isn’t agreeing with him. Before switching though I would try supplementing with digestive enzymes.

  • Sandra May

    I am having the same issues with my Bulldog- what should I do? HE STINKS!!

  • Sandra May

    I have recently changed my 7 month Old English Bulldog to Fromm- he has been very gassy. Is it the food?

  • cwparish

    I’ve had my Golden Retriever on many foods, but Fromm is where I settled. He was unpredictable with Pro-Plan, didn’t stay interested in TOTW, and was iffy with other foods as well. Now I use primarily Fromm Gold and 4 star products. For me, his base food is the Gold line, and I alternate through the 15lb bags of the 4 star product to give him taste variety. I usually do a 3:1 ratio of Gold to 4 Star. Keeps the price a little lower, and have after 4 years never had a single problem with his sensitive stomach.

  • Chris2590

    I am picking up my new Black Labrador Retreiver this Saturday and have to switch him over from a food that I cannot get since the area is quite far away and the breedeer uses a special type from a farm and feed store. I have been doing tons of research and cannot find one I really like. I am a recent college grad and do not want to spend tons and tons of $ on dog food but want to get him something that is very good. I have looked into many different names brands and ways to feed him. I am debating between FROMM, Purina Pro-Plan, Blue Buffalo and some grain free ideas. I need some help and thoughts relatively soon. I would apprecite the help and guidance. Thanks so much!

  • Shawna

    Hi Terry,

    JellyCat and Patty are correct. It has been known for quite some time, via many current scientific studies, that protein does not cause issues for the kidneys.

    JellyCat mentions proteinuria. Proteinuria is a symtom when the kidneys are excessively inflammed. Because of the inflammation protein spills out. This can happen in early stage as well as later stages and during this time it is necessary to limit protein but ONLY until the cause of the inflammation is identified and resolved. Then protein can be reintroduced back in.

    Patty mentions late stage. Protein does not damage the kidneys AT ALL. But in late stages of the disease limiting protein helps reduce the symptoms of kidney disease. Does NOTHING to prevent further damage and in fact can do more harm by causing protein deficiency.

    The quality of protein is far more important during the early stages of kidney disease (even when symptoms are seen). Kibble, any kibble, is a POOR choice for a dog with kidney disease.

  • JellyCat

    High protein is only harmful for dogs with proteinuria. Other then that high protein is not harmful for dogs with kidney issues.

  • Pattyvaughn

    High protein is only a problem in late stage kidney disease. Dog food companies often use sources of carbs that are harder for the dog to use than quality protein could ever be.

  • http://www.facebook.com/majesty.rottweiler.rescue Terry Robertson

    High protein food can be hard on dogs with kidney issues and sometimes that can be over looked by owners if the dog isn’t showing any signs. Please be careful when adding protein to your dogs food, most dogfood companies will add extra protein to make sure your dog is receiving enough.

  • Sheli Sager

    we Feed our boxer nothing But Fromm and 2-3 times a week we add Kippers or Sardines to her food … we used fromm for both our boxers going from fromm lg breed puppy to Lg breed adult and switch every other month to Fromm salmon a la veg for variety and she loves it ….best food and no recallls also we make our own homemade treats invest in food dehydrater make ur own treats best investme

  • 2BorderAussies

    My Aussie-Borders are currently on Fromm Chicken but my 8 year old needs a weight control food. Looking into Fromm Gold Weight Management. Anyone have any experience with this one? Pet store recommends Fromm. Vet recommends Royal Canin Satiety.

  • InkedMarie

    Sounds like a successful switch! As Patty said, please update us in time. Fromm is a old food, good company.

  • Pattyvaughn

    Please share a month from now.

  • pitbullmama

    I’ve recently swithched my 2 pitties over to Fromm Gold from, dare I say, Beneful. I’ve had them on Nutro before and that was a terrible experience. And Beneful was in my price range. But I’ve noticed them being sluggish, shedding like crazy, and horribly gassy! After being on Fromm now for 3 days, Ive noticed that my older pit has a bit more energy and neither are as gassy as before! And both of them come running for feed time(something they have never done before)! I can’t wait to see the improvement a month down the line!

  • Elizabeth

    Best dog food ever!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://www.theholisticchatterbox.com/ Shawna

    I’m responding on the Forum page that HDM linked to :) ..

  • Hound Dog Mom

    The same poster that posted about started a topic about yeast so you could post it there. :)

    http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/forums/topic/brewers-yeast-controversy/

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    Hey Shawna,

    This is timely as I was wondering about yeasts recently.

    Can you tell me the difference between brewer’s yeast and yeast culture; and how they differ from the type of yeast that that makes up a yeast overgrowth?

    Hmmm, should I move this to the forum area?

  • http://www.theholisticchatterbox.com/ Shawna

    Brewer’s yeast does have health benefits — namely vitamin B content. But it is also a source of free glutamic and aspartic acid (the g in MSG). These are excitotoxins and in some pets and people they can cause serious illness — including brain damage, multiple schlerosis, aggression, lupus, heart disease and more.

  • http://www.theholisticchatterbox.com/ Shawna

    They have actually disproven this myth.. It is not protein that causes harm but rather excess calories of any kind as well as excess calcium.

    Hound Dog Mom posted some great information on this in the forum.. It can be found here http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/forums/topic/large-and-giant-breed-puppy-nutrition/

  • http://www.facebook.com/chris.ungaro Chris Ungaro

    Sometimes Low in protien is a good thing. Large breed puppies shouldn’t get too much protien to fats as it can cause inproper developement.

  • deenibeeni

    Re yeast causing bloat: That would apply to raw bread dough (baker’s yeast), not brewer’s yeast, which doesn’t have the gas-producing process you need to make bread rise. I think brewer’s yeast is a great addition because of its nutritional content.

  • Moxie’s Mom

    My German Shepherd female has been eating Fromm Large Breed adult food since she was 9 months old. She is lean and muscular with an absoultely goregous coat and bright eyes. The kibble size is small and to increase her protien we add canned Merrick grain free food to balance the nutrition. I have carefully researched the foods we give her. Made in the USA with USA sourced ingredients. I would rather spend the money on her food than vet bills. For a 97 pound dog, the waste in the yard is manageable.

  • HerdingDogRescuer

    My 2 Aussies and my Border Collie are doing just great on this food. No stinky flatulence like with other foods. My Latest Aussie was a rescue and his coat was coarse and he smelled bad when we adopted him in April last year, but after several months on Fromm his coat is soft and smooth. I really do like this food and how my boys have been doing on it. 

  • LabsRawesome

     Hi Steve, I am glad that they recalled the treats. But I have suspicions that it is *not* because of an unregulated antibiotic. There is something much more toxic in the treats. Purina is just covering their a$$ by using the antibiotic excuse.

  • Pattyvaughn

    Yikes!!  MinPin clothing!  For teeth, consider giving them a raw chicken neck.  Raw bones are safe and chicken necks have a huge amount of cartilege in them, which will help keep them active.  Rib bones are pretty good too, you just have to be careful of weight bearing bones of larger animals, they can break teeth.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ICSHSY3U643OX3N3TK55UIC7XQ Steve

    Thanks Patty.  It’s heartening to find out that there are food manufacturers that show a true love for pets and that they are family-owned.  We have an American Eskimo from a breeder and a Min Pin from a local shelter.  Our Eskie is almost 11 years old and still behaves like a puppy.  When we shave him for the summer, everyone thinks he is a pup.  However, he’s been getting tear stains of late and licking at one of his legs.  The Min Pin has been hacking a lot lately.  I’m hoping this new food will solve those problems.  My Eskie was with me before I had a family and he’s my familiar.  I don’t know what I would do without him and I’m ashamed that I trusted the Purina brand and didn’t do my due diligence.  Caveat Emptor, right?  I even went back to brushing his teeth daily and even after a week, the tartar is much less noticeable.  I wonder if the food will help with that too. 
    A 22 pound bag will probably last us a month and we actually like our trips to the pet store.  My hurdle is keeping my wife from buying outfits for the Min Pin. :)   

  • Pattyvaughn

    It’s a little inconvenient to have to go to a store just for dog food, but so worth it when you can get a really good food for about the same price as grocery store garbage.  Fromm is like a best kept secret that needs to get out.  It’s a pretty amazing food for the price.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ICSHSY3U643OX3N3TK55UIC7XQ Steve

    Mike,  this is a great site and you make it clear that you are providing your informed opinion.  I’m (not) surprised at the amount of trolls on here that want to discredit you.  I believe you are providing a valuable service and all in one place.  Thank you.  We were feeding our beloved dogs Purina One Rice and Chicken for 16 years combined.  Then I saw the recall of their two jerky treats made in China.  How greedy can you get?  Purina knew they were killing and hurting dogs for years due to an unregulated antibiotic in the treats.  They finally recalled them January 9th.  We went to the supermarket and the only other nonPurina food available was Nutrish and Rachel Ray is a huge dog lover so I was surprised to find that this food was junk as well.  We bought Fromm Gold.  The 15 pound bag is virtually the same price as the Purina brand at $22 from our local holistic retailer.  We bought the 5 pound bag which is pricier at $2.25/lb to mix it in with the Nutrish junk and to see how they like it.  I gave them the Fromm kibble by hand when I first opened the bag and you’d think they never tasted food before.  They gobbled it right down and went to the bowl to eat some more.    I liked the fact that they use all human grade food, real Wisconsin cheese, never had a recall, use probiotics and chelated vitamins, and don’t use that liver toxin preservative.  We were torn between Annamaet and Fromm.  The deciding factor was that the chicken fat was lower down on the list.  A controvery out there is whether a higher content of animal fat can lead to bloat but why take the chance?

  • Elizabeth Daniels

    My Golden Retreiver loves your Adult Gold dry food and I feel good about giving him this because it is safe.  Thank you and I will be ordering more on line from you.  We adopted our 4yr old from Adopt Golden Atlanta and we live 3 hrs north in Blue Ridge, GA and the two pet stores here do not have a sales person to stock your brand, however, the one pet store owner is ordering it from Atlanta for me at this time, but I will in the future just order direct from you.   Elizabeth

  • StoneyBearsMum

    I used to feed Bear Rachael Ray’s dog food, however, I found it hard to find the same chicken formula in the biggest bags, so I switched to Purina One Smart food Lamb recipe.  When I took Bear for his 6-month checkup, the vet informed me that his liver values were elevated.  We discussed diet, and agreed that white meat should be fed. I’m also giving Adenosyl vitamins (supposed to be good for the liver, according to the vet, but very expensive.)  I also just switched Bear’s food to Fromm Chicken (for adult dogs.)  I’m hoping that this diet will help to lower his liver values so I don’t have to keep giving him those vitamins (he doesn’t like to take them.)  I really believe that the Purina food had something to do with the liver value elevation. Any thoughts?

  • Julius

    He does have dry flaky skin . I gave him a bath this mornin in oatmeal shampoo to see if that will relieve the itching and discovered a raw spot on his back, that he cannot reach with paws or mouth. Everything else is ok poops quality and quanity. He loves the taste of the food, but I noticed he had an odor, and when I smelled him he smelled just like his dog food.?

  • Lgrench

    When we fed Fromm gold puppy alone for the entire time moms were nursing puppies the moms and puppies did have dry flaky skin. They didnt itch or smell like dog food though, and are very solid and healthy. The tear stains were gone on this food and the Fromm grain free foods. Tear stains came back when I switched to another brand, also grain free. 

  • Julius

    I am using fromm gold puppy and he itches like crazy and his body smells like the dogfood? Does anyone else have/had this problem with fromm?

  • NewOwner

    I’m debating between Fromm’s senior and Nature’s Domain Salmon (greyhound with a dry coat who could stand to lose a little weight).  Greyhounds have a reputation for sensitive stomachs so I’m wondering if grain-free would be a better option?

  • LuvMyMutt

    Interesting. I switched to Fromms in part because of the gas my dog had on Kirklands. She’s been fine since.  Try using Gentle Digest while transitioning.  My dog thinks it’s a treat.  

  • HerdingDogRescuer

    Thanks for the reply! I tried the raw thing for a bit last fall and it was so expensive and time consuming. Maybe someday.

  • LabsRawesome

     

    Hi HerdingDogRescuer, When my 2 dogs were on Fromm gold, they really seemed to like the taste, and did very well on it. I have since moved on to Grain free canned food, mixed with fresh meat, eggs, sardines.  :)

  • HerdingDogRescuer

    Well, the boys have been on this for several weeks now and doing quite well. The rancid gas ceased immediately. The eat it right up. Stools are small and firm. No loose stools. Overall I’m very pleased. I did contact from asking about their formulas and what would be best. I really was not that impressed by their “nutritionist”. He was kinda vague and not very helpful.

  • BryanV21

    It could be, as gas is often caused by dogs not digesting food well. Not sure what food you’re moving from, but it could be one of the ingredients not agreeing with you pup.

    If the gas problem doesn’t go away after two or so weeks, then try enzymes or pre/pro-biotics. My store sells them in small packets (they look like the Crystal Light packets you add to a bottle of water) which you add to the dog’s food.

  • http://twitter.com/slothritis AJ

    Anyone’s dog experienceing gas with the puppy formula? I just started transitioning my cavalier today to fromms puppy, but he’s been having some gas. Is it just the transition or the food?

  • HerdingDogRescuer

    Switching back was not percieved at all. I appreciate your insight. I’m just glad they’ve calmed down on the gas. I didn’t like all the competition. :-)

  • Shawna

    HerdingDogRescuer ~~ we had this discussion (the gas one :) some months back..  We concluded that it was caused by, as Bryan mentions, protein not being digested well BUT also bad bacteria fermenting the undigested meat (was the cause of smelly gas).  And bad bacteria fermenting undigested carbs for the reason of non-smelly gas.

    Yogurt generally isn’t a good source of probiotics as in many cases it only carries one or two strains.  A product with at least 10 different strains is a much better option.

    I foster for Papillon and Boston Terrier rescue.  Boston Terriers are notorious for gas (usually smelly).  I add digestive enzymes to help digest the foods better and high quality probiotics and usually within a week or two the gas issue is a thing of the past.  I rotation feed through many different foods/brands and don’t notice an issue with any food when using enzymes and probiotics..

  • BryanV21

    LOL, congrats on the night.

    Perhaps they were eating so fast that they were also swallowing a lot of air, which would either wind up coming out one end of the dog or the other.

    Combine that with maybe a protein/meat that didn’t agree with them, and I’m sure you’re sleeping much better now.

    BTW, I wasn’t at all saying you should switch back. I’m a big fan of Fromm.

  • HerdingDogRescuer

    Only two of my three got it. I had tried plain yogurt with out much success. The 2 that got the gas are Aussies and just inhale their food. One is 11 and the other is 2-3. So I started feeding out of 12 cup muffin trays and that cut the volume and the smell a bit, but not enough for my nose in the smell dept. Hopefully, Bryan, your theory pans out and it’s a simpler formula. It was so bad I couldn’t have them in the same room. They were stressed out as I had to keep kicking them out of the bedroom and the living room in the evening. We had a gas free night last night.

  • BryanV21

    Gas usually comes from the stomach’s inability to digest the food well. In that case a switch to a “simpler” formula, or adding probiotics (like from plain yogurt), should help.

    Whole Earth Farms has a ton of different proteins (chicken, turkey, duck, buffalo, whitefish), while Fromm Gold has only three (chicken, lamb, duck). So maybe it’s the simpler formula of the Fromm that’s doing it, or one of the proteins in the Whole Earth wasn’t digesting well for your dog.

  • HerdingDogRescuer

    I’ve just started my boys on this food, this week. All’s well so far. We are transitioning from Merrick Whole Earth Farms, which gets a good review here. But, it gave my boys just rancid gas. Already I’ve noticed an almost immediate cessation in the gas department.

  • BryanV21

    I have no reason to not trust Fromm, I just found it a bit funny that I was already selling something for weight loss from them.

  • Jan_Mom2Cavs

    Bryan….I believe it has more fiber, maybe among other things.  If you go to k9cuisine.com they have the ingredients and a small g/a listed.  It’s not even on Fromm’s site yet, but they’re selling it…?

  • BryanV21

     That’s weird, as I’ve been selling their Reduced Activity/Senior for weight loss already. I wonder how different their Weight Loss will be.

  • Jan_Mom2Cavs

    I just found out that Fromm has added 2 new formulas to their Gold lineup….Small Breed and Weight Loss.  Interesting!

  • Jan_Mom2Cavs

    I just found out that Fromm has 2 new formulas in their Gold lineup….Small Breed and Weight Loss.  Interesting! 

  • CollieChick

    Not sure if you’re aware but Procter and Gamble purchased Innova 2 years ago and have since changed all their formulas.  From what I’ve read it’s not for the better either.  http://www.truthaboutpetfood.com/articles/breaking-news-proctor–gamble-purchases-natura-pet-products.html

  • BryanV21

    Yeah, finding a good puppy food for large breed dogs is hard, so I agree with your stance. Good work with the toppers, though.

  • Equiuga

    I switched my 7mo old Lab to Fromms when she came from the breeders and what I read is that it is “probally” better to not rotate foods. So, since I trusted Fromms and really didn’t want to switch, I also started rotating 95% toppers that contained different proteins. I would put a couple of scoops of topper just on her dinner at night and rotate protein every can. I had a really hard time finding a LBP food for my lab with the appropriate Ca/P levels so that is why I am uninterested in rotating until she finishes growing. With an Aussie, you won’t have that same concern. 

  • Crimsters

    Hi.. I have an Aussie puppy. I started with blue wilderness but his bm weren’t solid. Couldn’t decide between innova and Fromm. Chose innova bc it’s easier to get. He is doing great, but i’m still questioning my decision. Also, how do you feel about rotating foods for puppies? I am switching cans as toppers. Thanks!

  • http://www.fromm-dog-food.com/ FrommDog

    I have 2 dogs and they both eat fromm dog food and love it. I wouldn’t choose another brand. After having multiple strike outs with brand after brand Fromms is the one we have stuck with for years. 

    They have been around forever as well which is nice to see.

  • Nfarlow

     Hi Laurel, I just read your posts and understand how confusing it is when trying to figure out the best diet to feed your dogs. Without boring you with the details, I’ve done a lot of research after finding myself in the same predicament. One of the best resources I have found is a book called K9 Kitchen, by Monica Segal. She doesn’t advocate one type of diet over another, but gives a great overview of canine nutrition to give you the background information to make informed decisions. Good luck with your dogs!

  • Shawna

    You are welcome :)

    If you consistantly give the enzymes with the meals you probably don’t need to give them inbetween meals to your already healthy Jubes..

    If Jubilee ever became ill then adding in between could be beneficial but by adding to the food it spares the body from (many think) having to use the metabolic enzymes for digestive needs.  Even if metabolic enzymes are not robbed for digestion — enzymes are made from amino acids and some amino acids that are needed to make metaolic enzymes could be in short order..  Again, probably not with Jubes becaues she gets meat and quality protein toppers with her meals..

    If you do chose to give the enzymes away from the meals, I would personally give them before the meal as dogs can still be digesting foods 4 or more hours after they eat.

    Sorry for all the different variables — just don’t want someone reading this to think they can take the same approach with their dog (who might not be as healthy as Jubes is).. :)

    Edit — when giving enzymes away from meals, bromelain (the enzyme in pineapple) is usually the one I see recommended…

  • Shawna

    I’m sooooo glad you found my posts helpful and not pushy :) …  I just kept thinking of things I wanted to mention :) ..

    I think kibble is fine (don’t know that your pups have the genetic issue after all) but eliminating grains (due to inflammation) and any other inflammatory type foods (potato due to insulin) etc could be a good precautionary move…??

    You are right to be concerned about unbalancing the diet.  But, as a generaly rule it is considered safe to feed up to 20% of the diet as fresh food (like grass finished meats, or canned sardines or free range eggs).

    Consider other inflammation causing things beside foods too.  Neurosurgeon Dr. Russell Blaylock says just on vaccination can cause brain inflammation for up to two years.  You probably can’t get a rabies exemption (if the pups are currently healthy) but you could titer for the other core vaccines instead of routinely giving them.

    Giving milk thistle after heartworm and flea/tick meds (if you have to give them) helps the liver process the drugs — which surely helps lessen inflammation..  Likewise, some of the amino acids in protein stimulate glutathione (the master antioxidant of the body) making higher protein even more beneficial..  If your daughter didn’t already mention that :) ..

    Best of luck and health to you (despite the diet) and your entire family including the four legged ones..  :)   (PS — my dogs eat better foods then I do…  I’m weak at times :)

  • http://www.laurelswesties.com/ Laurel

    Thank you so much! I was begining to come to a similar conclusion in all the research I was trying to do, for dogs in general but am limited both with time and ability on the computer. I have been at a loss on the Shar Peis, they are very different with the odd skin then normal dogs and thought they may really have different needs. I was only told to feed no soy. I did see a huge improvement in color, coat, and condition after I changed them to Fromm and/or Earthborn, compared to what they were like on the diamond hi-energy the previous owners had given them, some the last 2 years. Then in researching them, and by the contract I got with the new puppies, I was told not to give them high protein foods. I have been so worried and confused not knowing what is best for them, with everyone saying something very different. I will check out the links in depth. It is so nice to have more info on the Shar Peis by a vet, and actual research. Too many old wives tales out there! As close to nature has always made the most sense in general, but dry kibble is just so much easier to deal with (and more affordable). I have always said I would like a ”people chow” so I dont have to cook or feel guilty about the junk I snack on now when I use to eat really well. Probably why I dont have the energy I did, bad diet! 
     Anyway my daughter is a registered dietician and we had spoke at length about how protein does not cause kidney issues, but lack of quality protein could cause all kinds of issues. It is wonderful to know the great diet for your dog born with kidney issues has worked so well.
     We raise some grass fed beef for ourselves. I had been afraid to use much for the dogs in fear of throwing off the balance of the essential nutrients in dog food. Maybe it would be of benifit to raise more to have enough for the dogs too?
      So much info and contradictory info out there it realy gets overwhelming while trying to keep up with all the physical work too.
      Thank you for the link and time you took to reply again!    
      

  • Mike P

    Thanks Shawna all is well. Is it better to give the enzymes a couple hours after a meal a few times a week?Or just add to her meals every day??I thought I could give her some in her tablespoon of yogurt at night to get the enzymes in her bloodstream a couple times a week.

  • Shawna

    HI Mike!!!  Good to hear from you..  Hope all is well with your family!!

    Some disagree but I completely and totally think an enzyme supplement is beneficial — may not be absolutely needed in a young healthy dog but they are beneficial.  My raw fed dogs all get enzymes with every meal.

    Wolves eat live enzymes in their raw food but also get a supplemental source by eating the pancreas of the prey animal as well as the raw tripe.  They also bury meat and bones which would allow the enzymes in the food to digest the food to some degree before consumption.  By adding a supplement we are just, in my opinion, mimicing the eating of pancreas, raw food etc..  :)

    Dairy has some pitfalls (like A1 Beta Casein), and I am not aware of the Greek Gods brand, but as long as she seems to be doing well on it…….

  • Mike P

    Hi Shawna I ordered a tub of digestive enzymes from Becker/Mecola.Are they important and does a healthy dog really need them? I didn’t order the probiotics as Brothers seems to have that covered.Plus she gets a scoop of Greek Gods yogurt at nite nite time.Toxed likes that brand…Any thoughts??

  • Shawna

    Hey Laurel — not to be a pain but I truly know how scary kidney disease can be..

    This is a vet that is very welled versed in Familial Shar-Pei Fever and amyloidosis (Linda J.M. Tintle DVM).  Here’s what she recommends to feed

    “1. Feed a High Quality diet low in simple carbohydrates: grain-free or containing small amounts of whole healthy fresh grains if possible. Pasture-fed meat source is preferable if money is no object (grain-fed meat has a high ratio of omega 6 to omega 3 fats and is lower in antioxidants and conjugated linoleic acid). The goal is to shift the arachidonic acid pathway away from pro-inflammatory end-products. A high dietary omega 3 to omega 6 fatty acid ratio may help reduce inflammation and result in improved overall health (including decreased anxiety!).”    http://www.wvc.vetsuite.com/templates/ContentPages/More_Info/ClinicContentPage.aspx?guid=b872fddf-1610-4893-a055-45d69f436c5d

    She has some other good dietary advice as well.

    Grains have a protein called a lectin which are VERY inflammatory..  For this reason (plus others like the omega 6 content) grains should be avoided in the diet, all together, of Shar Peis in my opinion.  (ESPECIALLY barley and oatmeal as they are gluten containing grains).

  • Shawna

    This isn’t the covnersation I was speaking of but this is some of the information I found…

    Amyloidosis (Shar Pei’s have reactive) is caused by inflammation in the body — fevers, reactions to vaccinations, allergies, injuries etc. Anything that could trigger an inflammatory response. Amyloids are made by the liver and have nothing, that I can find, to do with dietary protein. In fact, I found research that shows high glycemic carbohydrates can cause insulin resistnace and insulin resistance can cause amyloidosis. In this study the amyloids setteled in the brain causing alzheimers http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu

    This is information from a vet specializing in Shar Pei’s. “It is important to understand that amyloid protein AA is a normal protein and that it’s production is a normal response to tissue injury and inflammation. It is also important to realize that many diseases, traumatic injuries, cancer disorders, stresses, etc. can stimulate the production of the acute phase proteins.” http://www.drjwv.com/article.p

    This is the page where I initially linked the above articles  http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/frequently-asked-questions/health-problems/

  • Shawna

    I was talking with a Shar Pei breeder here on DFA several months back.  He found the same I did — more current research is linking carbohydrates to amyloids not protein (dietary protein that is).

    Nutritionist Mary Straus had a Shar Pei with kidney disease.  She fed a higher protein raw diet and recommends to NOT lower protein til symptoms warrant — usually in the later stages of the disease.

    I have a dog born with kidney disease (symptoms noticed as early as 6 weeks of age).  She has been on a high protein raw diet (45 to 54% protein) her whole life.  She just turned 6 the end of June and is still in EXCELLENT healt — unmedicated (except vitamins and whole food nutraceuticals), never goes to the vet etc.  Research has demonstrated (recent research that is) that lowering the protein of a dog WITH kidney disease does more harm then good.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Hi Laurel,

    I wasn’t by any means trying to imply Fromm is a bad food. I’ve only heard good things about it and I’m sure it’s made with very high quality ingredients. But it’s still low in protein in my opinion, even their grain-free variety, and for this reason I wouldn’t feed it to my dogs. If you check our the link I posted to the raw myths site, there’s also a page explaining why different breeds don’t need breed specific diets (http://rawfed.com/myths/designer.html). My personal opinion, due to research I’ve done, is that “breed specific diets” are just a hoax. Dogs are dogs, they’re the same species, they all evolved from the grey wolf, and all have the same basic nutrient requirements. Yes dogs are individuals (as are people) and some individual dogs may require slight modifications to their diet to make it work for them and some breeds are more prone to certain issues than other breeds, but, for the most part, no breed requires a special diet. I think the majority of dogs will thrive on a grain-free, high protein species appropriate diet if given the chance. Not that they can’t do well on other diets, but I think the closer to the ancestral diet a dog’s food is the more they will thrive.

  • http://www.laurelswesties.com/ Laurel

    True, Wolfs dont eat much of the stomach contents of large prey. I was thinking more of the smaller prey, rabbits, mice, ect wild dogs, domestic dogs, wolfs, coyotes, regular cats, ect all eat, and they are all carnivores too, even though large prey is a big part of the wolf diet.  The point was the whole carcass ratios of what they eat is its not all high protein. Since the dog food bags dont list digestible anything, and dont list carbohydrates at all, only fat, protein, fiber, and moisture you cant tell what is actually the % of anything digestable, so how do you really tell what is good dog food? (I imagine the % left over is the carbohydrate content?) If they are doing excellent on it how can it be bad? The link is great. Did see a flaw though of the statement genes dont “magically” appear, since mutations do occure all the time and are rejected or kept as an improvement by natural selection over time. It is one of the ways humans were able to use selection to breed very different looks. Selection has been happening to breed dogs that do good on poorer quality ingredients even if it didnt change the dog more then 2% from the wolf genes. We do it with cattle and everything, some breeds do great in hot temps, or poor forage, while others need lots of extra feed to do good. Cattle are all cattle and yet they do best in very different environments. Not to say dogs wouldnt do as well or much better on a real wolf diet, but price is a factor too. I dont eat what is the very best for me either, cant afford it. I agree many dog foods may keep a dog alive and ok looking but certainly not anywhere near their real potential. Thank you for the link! Its great to learn something new everyday. You would be shocked to learn Shenanigans Shar Peis have a contract that states they wont guarentee their puppies if you feed anything higher then a 21% protein diet, and what you feed is not an issue. I didnt know about the contract until after I got the 2 puppies. They claim Shar Peis were raised on rice and a tiny amount of fish for a very very long time and thats what their diet needs to be like for protein level. They claim to never have had a dog they bred and raised with kidney probalems or cancer, so maybe the Shar Pei has mutated? Please advise. I really would like to know more about what is best for the breed.            

  • Shawna

    Actually, current research demonstrates that overweight dogs lose more fat (and gain more muscle) with higher protein diets.  We’ve discussed and linked to the research on the weightloss page. 

    Like HDM mentioned, only dogs with certain illnesses (liver shunts and late stage kidney disease) need lowered proteins. 

    I took weight off my Papillon mix by feeding her a raw diet which consisted of between 45 and 54% protein.  Her before and after pics are also on the weightloss thread.  She started at 29 pounds and was 14 when the after pic was taken.

    Sled dogs need higher amounts of fat and working dogs need glucose to replenish what is lost in their muscle — there are different thoughts on how best to replenish that glucose though — fat or carbs.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Hi Laurel,

    I’m glad to hear your dogs are doing good on Fromm, however it is not true that different dogs need different protein levels. High protein is not for active dogs only. The only time a dog should eat a lower protein food is if they have a health condition that requires it. More active dogs need more calories and less active dogs need less calories. Active dogs and less active dogs still require protein , fat and carbohydrates in the same ratios. Also, wolves did not eat the stomach contents of their prey, this is a myth (http://rawfed.com/myths/stomachcontents.html). A wolves diet is approximately 56% protein, 30% fat, and 14% carbohydrates. Ideally ALL dogs should eat a food as close to these ratios as possible. A less active dog would just eat a smaller volume of food (less calories). Feeding a higher carbohydrate food to an inactive dog is actually counterproductive as carbohydrates are linked to weight gain and obesity in dogs.

  • http://www.laurelswesties.com/ Laurel

    Different dogs need different protein levels. I didnt see breed and what kind of activity your dogs do. All the fromm formulas work excellent for our active westies and cavaliers, and more sedate old poms. The tear stains have even gone away on the grain-free formulas, and coats are incredible. My cousin also has a house dog and she has never looked as good as she does on Fromm surf-n-turf, which is how I discovered it and switched some of ours to it. I know someone who feeds diamond hi-energy and wins weight pulling competitions. Different dogs do fine on different foods. If your dog pulls a sled, weight pulls, runs miles, actively herds, is a frisbee dog, ect you may need more protein. Really high protein is for very active dogs. Try it, if that becomes the case, your dog would lose some weight yet be healthy and you can add protein meats as suggested, a great idea, to add weight back on. If your dogs are chubby you do not need more protein then is in Fromm.
    Fromm is an excellent dog food. The star ratings dont take into count the results dogs get from eating it, like shiny coats, tear stains going away, great body tone, and just healthy and happy. Holistic Select is also an excellent dog food, and I have had great luck with the Earthborn formulas. The Earthorn Meadow Feast has done wonders for one of our mini Shar Pei that has allergies to some food ingredients in the other foods. Dogs are as different as people. Realize too that everyone who is thinking protein content of meat because dogs ate meat originally isnt taking into account the protein content of the guts that the dogs/wolves eat first, mostly partially digested vegetable matter, the bones, fat, and the undigestable stuff that was “fiber” for them, and even manure. The real world wasnt just roasts and steaks. Good luck! your dogs, and those who write in are lucky to have someone care about what they eat, wish our rescue and foster dogs had had a home like that! :)      

  • LabsRawesome

     Fromm is a very good food but, low in protein. If you go with it, add some high quality canned, and fresh protein like eggs and sardines/ mackerel, various cheap meats. Choose one of these to add to each meal. That is what I do no matter which kibble my 2 are on. :)

  • Hound Dog Mom

    The reason for Fromm’s 4-star rating is its low protein content. I’m sure it has very high quality ingredients, but it’s too low in protein in my opinion. I’d go with one of the other two suggested brands – Orijen or Acana.

  • Msams0975

    Hi there! I am looking for some opinions. I currently feed my 3 dogs Taste of the Wild, which is rated 5 stars on this site. Today at work, we had the owner of a dog food distributor site set up a booth to share knowledge on pet nutrition. He had samples of all of the different foods made by Fromm and I was impressed to say the least. He broke down all of the ingredients and explained each one. He said he feeds his personal dogs both Orijen and Fromm and that he believes Fromm, Orijen and Acana are the three best foods his company offers. I was surprised when I logged on here to see Fromm rated below Taste of the Wild. What are your thoughts?

  • Andrea

    I have not seen any dogs have an upset stomach while rotating the different flavors and meat proteins on the Fromm; it should not be a problem. Some dogs might be doing better on the Four star duck for instance than the Gold I would think. But there is also the flavor issue as some dogs like certain flavors and others don’t. I have heard that the Four Star Gamebird is very good with dogs with stomach issues and also all dogs I know like it, the kibble size is small, very good for a small or actually any dog, while the Four star duck has larger kibble sizes,for instance.
    Anyhow, to answer your question further; if you have any issues rotating you can add yogurt to the kibble and/or probiotics. That should take care of this issue. I rotate alot the different Fromm flavors, but also rotate with other brands, such as Annaemat and Orijen. Orijen used to be difficult for my dogs digestion wise, but they got used to it, and with the additional probiotics it works well. Also they only get a little bit of that in the morning and in the evening the Fromm or Annamat the one with lamb. I also cook them alot of meals or give some raw as well. I add the kibble to make sure they have everything nutrition wise, even though I try to put everything they need into their home made meals as well.
    If you have a dog with stomach issues, the Fromm should not give the dog any issues, or at least you will find some flavors they will work well. Brands great for sensitive stomachs are not Orijen or Acana, I would say, if you want to rotate with a different brand, I would try Petcurean Now or Pinnacle as I found dogs with sensitive stomachs do well on these foods.  Whatever I do I ALWAYS give the Fromm, no one can beat the combination of flavor, great digestion and nutrition. But I do give about 3 different brands/flavors every day, and my dogs’ digestion is excellent. Actually my springer also has a sensitive stomach and does very well this way, esp. with added probiotics.

  • Cindyn34

    I wondered if I could rotate without my dog have stomach upset.  Do you know that answer/

  • Andrea

    What Fromm company recommends is this: You can feed the Gold line only and don’t need to switch. It has several different protein sources in it, such as Chicken, Lamb, Fish etc. The Four Star lines you should rotate; let’s say you can give the Pork Four Star one day, then the next day the Duck Four Star and the next day the Pork again. Or you can simply give one bag at a time. I think it is a good idea switching foods around some anyway. This way it not only gives the dog variety, it also will prevent allergies and if one variety has certain benefits the others don’t have, then they will get them all. So you could also switch the Gold with the Four stars. Also the different bags have different kibble sizes; the Four star grain free kibble, such as the Surf n’ turf for instance, has very little kibble sizes. Great for a small dog or any dog as smaller kibbles seem better for digestion; I personally love the kibble shape and sizes of the Gold, I think it is perfect for any dog.

  • Andrea

    And I wanted to add: yes, you might want to try the regular adult food, Brunshe, instead of puppy food with less protein.

  • Andrea

    Well Fromm Gold has the Large Breed puppy and the regular puppy. Vets don’t have much nutrition in their training and the vets I am friends with all say that it doesn’t matter that much giving the puppy regular dog food (adult) vs. puppy food. Puppy food has usually more protein and calcium, but the difference is very little. Fromm in general should not cause any digestive issues. I would add some Probiotics or Yoghurt to the kibble and see if it makes a difference. Also you could add a little bit of bentonite internal for a week also and these issues might clear up.

  • Paul128

    After some trial and error with dry puppy foods such as Blue Buffalo, Science Diet Ideal balance natural, Innova, Eukanuba, and Newman’s Organic, I have concluded that Fromm Gold Puppy formula is the best one for my mini Poodle puppy.  He dislikes it the least of the other foods and will actually eat it if mixed with human food, unlike the other dog foods.  I mix chicken, yams, spinach, broccoli in.

  • ChrisOU812

    Um… “doogiefood.com” is not where you want to be sending folks. Check the typo. The right link is doggiefood.com , and despite the typo, I’m glad you posted it — thanks!

  • brunshe

    Thank you! I am actually changing him over now to the Fromm Family White Fish and Potato (per a vet friend). I am hoping this is the answer. If not I will then try Lg Breed Gold. We will see! Thanks again!

  • Wandasirmans

    I had the same problem with my little German Shepherd, she could not handle the high protein in the  Fromm’s puppy food, however, once I changed her over to the Fromm’s Large Breed Gold she did wonderful.  I have had my male on it since he was 7 weeks old, now going on five years.  She is going on 2 1/2 years.   They have beautiful coats and full of energy.   Try changing over to the adult.  I know some vets do not recommend, but I had to travel with them between Colorado and Texas and could not have accidents in the SUV while traveling, not to mention the hotels.   Anyway, did try to go back once, and she seemed to get very soft stools, as if it was too rich for her.  Guess she has a sensitive stomach.   Hope this helps.

  • brunshe

    I have a 4 month old Golden Retriever that was first on Blue Buffalo Lg breed puppy when he was weaned from his mother. He had diarrhea constantly on it so I changed him over to Grandma Mae’s Country Naturals. Well, he hated that. So we changed him over to Fromm Gold Puppy (in the pink bag). He loves it, however, he has somewhat of a loose stool. The first part is fine and solid, however the end is always pudding-y (sorry to be so graphic but that is the only way I can explain it :/).  So to give him a little variety and maybe a firmer stool, I mixed in a small bag of the Fromm White Fish with the 30lb bag of Fromm Family Gold Puppy. His stool is pretty much the same. I really really like the Fromm line. I used to be a vet tech and have seen what foods can do that aren’t the best quality. I would love to keep him on this but I don’t know if I can deal with picking up mushy muck three times a day. If anyone has any suggestions, please let me know! Thank you!!

  • OwnedbyCollies

    Took my dogs off Blue Buffalo and now on Fromm.  Good decision…I like that they test all the batches before they go out.  I also like that it is a family owned business for more than 100 years and they get fresh ingredients delivered the day the batch is produced.  The food is made in Wisconsin right under the control of the owners….process isn’t “farmed” out to other manufacturers.  I appreciate all of that because my dogs are my family!

  • LabsRawesome

     Yeah, that’s why I don’t like the clear plastic self feeders because the food is exposed to light constantly, and sits around/becomes stale/rancid.

  • http://www.laurelswesties.com/ Laurel

    Very good points, I wouldnt have thought someone may read this and leave food out so long it went rancid. Odd that you both assumed to full feed means the same food is sitting out endlessly though, or even more then 24 hours. I agree not to let feed sit out uncovered for any extended length of time. 
         

  • LabsRawesome

     Hey Shawna, I agree. Not only about the omega 3, but also, free feeding exposes the food to light/heat/air, and would cause the food to become rancid/stale/lose nutritional value.

  • Shawna

    Hi and sorry to butt in Laurel :) ..

    Of course, you can do whatever you want, but I did want to mention a down side to free feeding..  Years ago this wasn’t as big of an issue but with the inclusion of omega 3 fatty acids in foods now a days it is a poor choice to leave kibble sitting out.  Most oils are quite stable — olive oil or coconut oil or butter, as examples, can remain in a cupboard without going bad.  Flax and fish oils (omega 3 oils) however are VERY unstable and MUST be stored in dark containers in refrigeration to keep them from going rancid.  Omega 3′s in kibble are stabilized with vitamin E however vitamin E also starts to degrade with light and heat. 

    Although I’m not opposed to free feeding in general, I would HIGHLY recommend only feeding a food that does not have added omega 3 ingredients (fish meal, salmon oil, salmon meal, sardines, flax, flax meal/seed etc).

    I like rotating foods too..  I rotate my foster dogs with each new bag of food.  They just finished Merrick Before Grain Buffalo.  They are now eating Holistic Select Chicken.  Next bag will be Brothers Complete Fish.  I only buy the small bags too..  Dogs with healthy digestive tracts can switch without transitioning.  Eating a variety of foods keeps the digestive tract strong :)

  • http://www.laurelswesties.com/ Laurel

    Since hes a puppy he needs to stay on a puppy food until whatever age your vet recommends, 7 months to 14 months most often (depending on breed/size.) Once hes old enough to be on adult food it does make sense to switch varieties every now and then (2 or 3 times a year.) No dog food can be perfect so the idea is by switching varieties the dog gets different ingredients and its most helpful with staying balanced very long term. Dogs do often get loose stools if they over-eat but if food is left out all the time they will normaly balance themselves to just eat the correct amount for them. All but our chubby dogs are on full feed. Some people dont agree with that but its worked for me for over 25 years. Puppies need to be fed all they want 2 times a day when youngest and twice a day when getting bigger, and they dont want one of the meals. As adults once a day is fine. If hes really hungry because hes only fed once or tiwce and not ready for that hes going to overeat each feeding trying to catch up with missed meals, even if his weight is fine, his tummy may be very hungry prior to meals and cause him to gooble.       

  • Avtar

    Since we switched to Fromm Gold, he has been just fine now.  One thing that happened (our mistake) we bought dog food storage container that came with a scoop.  It says it is a cup but it is actually almost two cups.  That was causing him to go twice and second lot was always runny.  So we fixed that as well! If I may ask a question.  Someone told me to use different Fromm every few bags.  So go from Fromm Gold to another Fromm. Is that a good idea?  Thanks.

  • http://www.laurelswesties.com/ Laurel

    My cousins little dog has always been highly sensitive to food and is doing great on the Fromm surf and turf, (I thought she was on fromm classic.) I havent had any issues with any of them having loose stools on any of the fromm foods, and on the grain free formulas the tear stains have decreased or dissapeared on the few dogs with tear staining. I also really like the Earthborn Meadow Feast, which is for all life stages and fine for puppies. It works better for one of our dogs who seems sensitive to fish.   

  • Avtar

    An update: It seems like when we put him on Hills Prescription diet (one in can), he gets better.  So it seems like it might be food.  We are going to switch him to Fromm Gold. 

  • avtar

    Thank you for advice. I will report back for everyone’s benefit.

  • http://www.laurelswesties.com/ Laurel

    I would have a fecal check run by the vet before thinking its the dog food. (needs to be very fresh, less then 30 minutes old to find giardia.) Puppies often pick up, or have parasites and some, mainly whip worms, are very hard to find since they are intermintent egg layers and require collecting fecal samples for 3 days in a row and mixing it before testing. You can get a negative fecal and they may still have whipworms. Or your vet can give him a wormer that kills whip worms and hookworms even if  the fresh sample tested is negative. I would switch dog food if hes still having issues after being wormed with a good wormer, and sure he doesnt have giardia or coccidia.   

  • avtar

    Hi.  I have a mini australian shepherd that I just got about a month ago.  He is 6 months old.  He was on Fromm Gold but we switched him to Merrics Terducken.  Once in a while he has loose bowl movement.  Usually his first lot is normal and second is very loose.  This mostly happens in the morning.  I was wondering if I should switch him back to Fromm Gold.  Any opinions would be greatly appreciated.

  • Agrazziani

    I have two pugs that have had terrible skin issues. After taking them to the vet for the last two years I have decided to change their food to fromm/salmon. In one months time the itching has stopped and their coat is better than ever.

  • http://www.laurelswesties.com/ Laurel

    I am really happy with Fromm. It is very reasonable from doogiefood.com, they have free shipping if you get a minimum quantity, which is less all together then I can find elswhere. Holistic select is also terrific for coats, but I cant find it affordable anywhere.

  • GSDGal ;)

    Do you all think that this food would work for my Siberian Huskies? I am doing conformation showing with one of them (the female, Lexi, is too young yet) and need them to be in top condition and coat. I’ve been on Brothers and although I Love it!!!! I just flat can’t afford it at this time so am looking for something else to possibly mix with Brothers. Any ideas, suggestions anyone?

  • http://www.laurelswesties.com/ Laurel

    Thanks Jan_Mom2cavs I will look into it.

  • Jan_Mom2Cavs

    Laurel, you may already know this but Fromm has a breeder program, I believe.  You should talk to their customer service about it.  I’m glad it’s working for you.  Love it here!

  • http://www.laurelswesties.com/ Laurel

    I have raised a moderate number of dogs for 25 years, westies for the last 16 and over the last year adopted 4 cavaliers, 2 puppies and 2 adults. We also have several rescued large breed dogs and 3 pet poms. I have fed royal canin small breed adult or puppy, per age recommendations for 2 years to the westies, poms since I have had them (1.5 years) and the Cavaliers (2months for the 2 2 yr olds and 1 year for 2 puppies.) Royal Canin was a huge improvement over the pedigree, iams and eukanuba we had fed. The rescued German Shep- Great Pyr puppy had parvo and staph infection when we got him in October and after vet treatment he is on large breed royal canin puppy and doing fantastic, excellent coat and very healthy, 44 pounds at 4 months of age. One 7? year german shep has degenerative spinal disease and insufficient pancreatic enzymes. He was on Marksman with minimal change and is now on large breed royal canin and weighs a nice weight for the first time in years (I have had him 1.5 yrs, and know he was skinny on pedigree for 3 prior years where he was, I then tried marksman for 6 months.) He has not had any further degeneration. The enzymes from the vet helped put on some weight while on marksman but he was still not right until I switched to RC. 2 of the new cavs had tear stains (one was on diamond prior to us getting him in October, other on RC since we got her in 2-11). My cousin has a 6 yr bichon -maltese mix who has always been on top foods due to extremely sensitive stomach. She came to visit and her dogs tear stains wear gone and the tan color patches had shown up after being gone since she was a pup after 6 weeks on Fromm classic. Plus she just felt more solid and healthy. I was so impressed I switched our pet poms, 2 who had tear stains since before I got them, one a pup now 1 yr old, and the other 11 years old, and the cavaliers to fromm gold. In just over a month the poms and the 1 year old cavs tear stains were completely gone. The 2 year old cavs staining is much less then it was, although he lost weight as he doesnt like the food much. They all think the royal canin tastes better, but they all have had marked physical improvement on fromm gold, except the above who lost some weight, although he was thin prior… I am going to start topping his food. (I dont normally top the food.) Nobody had loose stools from the switch and it was not switched slowly, 3 days at 50%. In the last 2 weeks to 1 month we adopted 5 toy/mini Shar peis, 11 months to 7 years old. I was told not to feed them soy in any form by the ex-breeder. I fed royal canin with a sudden switch (we forgot to take the bag of food she had sent with them, they were on hi-energy diamond.) They had only barely loose stools a couple days on RC when I realized there was soy in RC and switched them suddenly again to the fromm gold. The loose stools were gone next day. I have only had them 2 weeks to a month so not enough time to rate it well. But 3 had ear infections when I got them (5 adult dogs) and I dont know if the ear cleaning or food has helped but their ears are much better. They eat very little of the food and are a great weight. 2 were pregnant and had nice birth weight puppies 2.5 weeks after we adopted them. They all had odd scabs, but also had fleas, so not sure if getting rid of the fleas helped or the food change, scabs (and fleas) are all gone now(advantix II). the 4 young dogs seemed in good shape on the diamond, nice coats, good weight ect. but the 7 yr olds coat is poor, hes underweight and he has tear stains. I’m hoping the feed change will help (only had him 2 weeks). I would switch the Westies all to Fromm if I could afford it. The westies are great weights and have nice coats, and the puppies grow great on the royal canin, no random loose stool like we had on the other brands so I am happy with RC, but think they would do even better on Fromm. Sorry such a long post. I have never written a reveiw before but am very impressed with Fromm and have more dogs with improvements, and have seen nothing negative, (except price.)

  • Jan_Mom2Cavs

    I’m sorry to respond so late to this, but I wanted to let you know that my daughter and son-in-law have a beautiful German Shorthair female that is around 3 years old.  She was raised on Solid Gold Wolf Cub then put on Wolf King as an adult.  She did fantastic on the food!  So I believe it is a good food.  However, the Wolf King ended up being too low protein for her activity level (they had a hard time keeping weight on her) so they have since switched foods to TOTW and they also sometimes use 4Health from TS.  Now, on to Fromm…..this is what I feed.  Not the large breed puppy or any large breed food as I have small dogs, but I love Fromm!  I think it is excellent food from an excellent company.  I really feel you could go with either one and be fine.

  • monkey

    I can attest to small poops on all Fromm formulas that we’ve tried :)

  • Onyxpaw

    I have a bullmastiff puppy. We have tried 3, (4 if you count the bag we got from the breeder.) highend large breed puppy food mixtures and Fromm Gold Holistic has far exceded the others, (NutriSource, Holistic Select, Orijen, Precise.)
    One huge difference is the amount of waste. He just poops a lot less often and the stool size is much smaller on Fromm. Their food is highly digestable. He was gassy on a few of the others but not on Fromm. Also I noticed flakey skin with 3 of the other choices but on Fromm his coat is really nice and healthy. He has a great energy level on Fromm. And he seems to love the taste.
    My only complaint is that it’s not always easy to find Fromm Large Breed Puppy in stores. I’ve been ordering online but I finally found a small petfood store that would order it in for me. 
    I wrote Fromm an email and they sent me a printable $5 coupon. You may want to ask for one. 

  • melissa

    Yes, it appears to have potato in it and flaxseed. However, not everyone considers these a major bone of contention. I personally think Fromm is a great food, and since its made by the company that actually owns it, that is a big bonus for me : ) At some point, I am going to add it to the mix here and give it a try-

  • Mike P

    To bad Fromms has Potato in it,also flaxseed.

  • monkey

    Fromm customer service is top notch. I honestly haven’t experienced anything like it. Except maybe Brothers Complete.

  • Equiuga

    I contacted them today and requested ca/p information on their LB puppy formula. I was very impressed with the young lady I spoke to as she was very nice and enthusiastically answered all my questions. I actually got an in depth spreadsheet on this food. Here were the levels of Ca and P.

                       Ca%        P%
    As is:           1.13%     0.97
    DM basis:      1.21       1.04
    g/100 kcal:    0.29       0.25

    I have been researching foods that would be good for a lab puppy that I am getting next month and it has been a real pain finding foods that have appropriate levels of nutrients for what large breeds pups need! I had looked at Innova LBP which looked very good, but the buy out has made me wary of using that food. Fromms looks like it will fit the bill and I have heard rave reviews. I am awaiting a call back from Solid Gold regarding their wolf cub food to see if that may also fit the bill. Does anyone have advice, one way or the other?

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  • Erica (Coopers&CindersMom)

    I’ve been feeding my two boxer boys since they were 8 weeks old. They do excellent on this food. About 2 months ago we saw a premium food on sale and decided to try it to save a little money. The first night they had horrible gas that ran us out of the room. Within a week one of my boys started breaking out in hives and losing hair. I took the food back and immediately bought their usual bag of Fromm Gold and within 2 days my boys were back to normal and his hair grew back. And the gas went away all together again. I will stand by Fromm no matter what. It’s an excellent food and obviously made with high quality ingredients. My boxers can’t handle a grain free food due to sensitive stomachs. So this food is the next best thing, especially if a dog has food sensitivities. Give it a try, and make the change gradually and I’m sure you will be impressed like I am. We love Fromm!

  • Jan (Mom to Cavs)

    Oh…forgot to say I’ve only fed the 4-Star formulas. And my cat didn’t care for the food like the dogs did. Also, the dogs liked the dry but didn’t care for the canned food for some reason.

  • Jan (Mom to Cavs)

    Fed Fromm in the past with success. It is a food I’ve always liked and would feed again.

  • Andrew

    My 4-year-old, 115-pound Great Dane/Lab mix was on Iams Large Breed for most of his life. He’s always had a decent looking coat, but he shed like crazy and never had as much energy as you would expect from a dog who still thinks he’s a puppy. We recently switched to Fromm Gold Large Breed and I cannot say enough good things about it. First, his coat is ridiculous. We get comments constantly on how good looking, shiny and soft his coat is. We had zero issues transitioning him to Fromm, and his BMs have never looked more healthy. He’s had issues with skin allergies, especially on his belly, and within 1 week of switching him to Fromm they are non-existent, and have been for the 2 months he’s been eating it. And for me, the best part is that he NO LONGER SHEDS! There’s some hairs here and there, but in hot, hot Florida he used to leave black hair tumbleweeds all over the place. I’ve gone from vacuuming out of necessity every day, to never feeling a need to do so. We’ve switched our cats to Fromm and I’ve convinced my parents to do the same with their dogs. Everyone couldn’t be happier.

  • Lara L

    I have just switched my two Frenchies and my cat over to Fromm so far they eat it right up. I have made the switch due to that I found Maggots in my cat’s food that was Purina dry food and purchased at a very large well know pet store all around the U.S. I figured if it was in my cat’s food bag and as well as on the outside of the unopened bag they could get in my dogs food as well. My two Frenchies were on the Nutro Holistic dog food. But not anymore. I refuse to give my money to large companies that do not have your pets in there best interest. I would defiantly rather pay more for food that is family owned and operated with better ingredients. They eat this food right up with no problem. So I would recommend this food.

  • http://dogfoodadvisor.com Michelle J.

    I have been feeding our 10-month old Airedale puppy Fromm’s Puppy Gold (in the pink bag) since July 2011. I feed the kibbles dry and she gets a total of 2-1/4 cups daily. I had been putting on 1 tbsp. canned 95% Wellness Salmon as a topper with each meal, but since she has been having trouble with loose stools for about the last 10 days, I cut out her treats and the canned salmon. Not making any difference. Stool sample checked today and it was negative. For the last three days, I have been giving her 1 tbsp. pure pumpkin twice a day, but not really seeing any difference. Has anyone else had a problem with loose stools from feeding Fromm’s?

  • http://www.whosyourvet.com Sandi

    Mike P – If you read the comments I think on Flint Ranch, it will make more sense. Dawn & Victor are married.

    Check out what I just posted regarding Fromm – http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-reviews/fromm-four-star-nutritionals-grain-free/comment-page-2/#comment-33083

  • Mike P

    Hi Lucky I agree Victor’s post was a little strange to say the least . I do however like the results my dog gets from Fromms food. I think Dawn was posting under diff names and Mike got ticked . I think Victor might be Dawn as well …who knows ???

  • Lucky

    Victor and Dawn, its a little hard to read what you are saying…

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Donna… There are a number of product lines that contain at least one low fat dog food. I’ve tagged them as “low fat”. So, click the “Tags” link found in top red navigation bar and then select the tag marked appropriately, “low fat”. This should give you a list of candidates. Try to find one that’s not also low in protein.

    Not all of these are top-rated products so you’ll need to seek out the better ones using our star ranking system. One popular low fat dog food that comes to mind is Wellness Core Reduced Fat. Hope this helps.

  • Donna

    We are looking for the best dry food choice for our new schnauzer puppy. We understand that schnauzers need a low fat choice. Can you advise?

  • VICTOR LEDER

    well tricia even though MY wife went out of her way to leave your letter here to clear peoples minds up that this food is def…safe and posted your email here…shes been banned from here for sticking up for someone that no matter what the woman said FOR 2 PAGES someone just kept ranting at her and no one…at..all stepped in to stop it :O*( Dawns heart hurt and stupidly she stood up for her..now her the one being nice gets kicked off but the guy ranting for 2 pages..nothing..nada not one word said to him..just..innocent Dawn…so your email prob wont get seen here :O*( im sorry..her & I are all about helping when we can… but lol nomore..well not true she cant sit by and let someone get bullied ya know? its just not in her.. but thanks so much for clearing all up about FROMM our girls love it!!! Take care Tricia, we hope your letter clears some others minds and can feel good to feed Fromm….we are both glad you answer her email immediately….makes for a great company :O) now off to find other rating and review places :O)

  • DAWN LEDER

    LETTER FROM…FROMM ABOUT THE COPPER OXIDE I ALSO POSTED ON THE OTHER FROM FROMM REVIEWS HERE HER LETTER TO ME ABOUT THE BAD VIT K HERES THIS ONE
    DEAR TRICIA..

    WOW!!!!! am I impressed!!!…I JUST said yesterday…well I guess that site was right..Fromm doesn’t get back to their customers :O*( i was heart broken! Little did i know..Tricia was forming this wonderful email! I did still go ahead and buy the NEW grain Beef dry food and my girls omg!! i cant believe it…the puppy is pretty fussy but always preferred kibble to can….but….my 2 1/2 yr old Beagle Sophie Girl she never went near kibble EVER…they were pretty much raw fed…but times i forgot to defrost it or didn’t have any left i would TRY kibble and nooo way…..well…I poured some down on the rug (Ha to trick her it wasn’t HER FOOD IN HER BOWL AND HAD TO EAT) well it worked…but she ate the entire amount i put down!!!! and started wagging her tail looking at the bag!! then the puppy (Sabrina) follwed suit!! :O) i did also buy a case (a big no no since only on disability and its quite expensive) of the chicken pate and unfortunately…that is..not..being a hit :O*( now im stuck and lost $48…..i should have went with my gut and gut the shredded beef to go with the new beef dry :O*( but that’s $50 :0O !! :O*( I also was going to buy the new grain free surf and turf but that site (dogfoodadvisor.com) mentioned well the reviewers and mike said theres copper oxide in the Fromm food….ugh had another worry now I looked it up and said yes dogs need copper but should….never…be given copper oxide :O*( so i didn’t order that….. it also said some of your products had that men—something dont know how to spell…the bad vit k. :O/ so needless to say i was so disappointed…..Thank ou for clearing all up about the vit k…..but now…can you tell me is there …still copper oxide in the Fromm products :O/…….
    I also wanted to ask your permission if its ok i copy & paste your email you just sent….and put it on that site…because so many want to use your product but were worried about the vit k and copper oxide..they will be sooo happy to read your email! they also were very upset about never getting thru to you ( I feel SPECIAL) now :O)
    Thank you soooo much for your time patience and understanding……
    Thanks again Tricia…

    Hi Dawn,

    Great to hear back from you! Thank you kindly for your great words of encouragement and support… both so appreciated.
    Next, just like the MSB or synthetic Vitamin K we also removed Copper Oxide from our ingredient panel a few years back already. It is the same label issue that may show it as an ingredient. Again, the best advice I can give on accuracy for ingredients is using our website to guide you. This is the most up-to-date listing for ingredients, guaranteed and typical analysis.

    Lastly, I want to let you know in advance that during our recent production with the Shredded Beef can formula we did run into some consistency issues. Now while those have been worked out, depending on rotation of inventory there could still be some in circulation. We will replace anything you are not satisfied with but please know in advance you could receive a can or two that is more “soupy” than designed. That said, nutritionally the recipe is just the same but the texture may be a bit different.

    As always, very important, please retain your itemized store receipt (even online store) and the UPC / Proof-of-purchase from every and any recipe of ours that you purchase. If for any reason you or the girls are not 100% satisfied we will refund your purchase price. Just need your itemized store receipt and the UPC sent back to us and we will send you a check, no questions asked.

    Warm regards,
    Tricia
    Fromm Customer Service

  • Dan

    Yes, that helps Mike. Your Website has been very helpful in making an informed choice as to which foods to feed my two dogs. I always research potential foods on dogfoodadvisor.com when contemplating a change. Our vet always comments how good they both look and what good shape they are in. I think choosing 4 star or above rated foods contributes to my dogs health. This site is an excellent resource for pet owners. Thank you.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Dan… Just different adjectives. It’s’ best to go by the percentages. And in this case, these figures are close enough to make either one not stand out more than the other. Hope this helps.

  • Dan

    Mike, due to price increases for the Fromm adult gold dry I am considering changing to Kirkland dog food dry . Both are rated 4 star on your site. Wondering why you used notable amount of meat in your discription of Kirkland dog food dry versus moderate amount of meat for the Fromm adult gold. Fromm adult gold ingredient lists average protein content of 27% with 1st 7 ingredients listed as Duck, chicken meal, chicken, brown rice, pearled barley, oatmeal, menhaden fish meal – 4 named meat ingredients. Kirkland dog food dry lists average protein content of 29% and 1st 7 ingredients as Chicken, chicken meal, whole grain brown rice, cracked pearled barley, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and vitamin E), egg product, beet pulp – 2 named meat ingredients. Does Kirkland dog food dry contain more meat than Fromm adult gold? Thanks.

  • Jaunita

    Thanks!

  • sandy

    Try decreasing the serving size. You should be able to feed less of a better food. Also putting in a tablespoon of pure pumpkin puree might help.

  • Jaunita

    I have recently switched from Eukanuba to Fromm’s and have noticed a lot of improvements with my dogs skin and coat. He has been having several loose stools since the switch, which I think is probably because I didn’t know beforehand the importance of switching gradually and I just switched when I ran out of the old food. Is this something that will fix itself it he stays on it regularly overtime? How long should wait for it too clear up before I try gradually switching to something else? I read 6-8 weeks for a dog to adjust to a new food.

  • http://www.drianbillinghurst.com/ Gordon

    I’m glad the advice was of help Tracey and you’re very welcome.

  • Tracey

    Gordon – I know this is over a month late… But just wanted to thank you for the above advice! I’ve found it quite helpful!

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Missy… Copper oxide is not as well absorbed by the body as other copper compounds. Since this food also contains the chelated and more nutritious form of copper (copper proteinate), I’m not sure why the company has elected to include both in its recipe.

  • Missy

    Also, I haven’t found anything that says why Copper Oxide shouldn’t be used. Anyone know?

  • Missy

    I have been trying to decide between Wellness and Fromm Gold. I just noticed the comment regarding Copper Oxide in Fromm. It isn’t just the label on the bag, I have printed out ingredient sheets from their website and it is listed there. This gives me some concern.

  • Gordon

    Tracey – topping with yoghurt is great health-wise for your dog too.

    If I may add my 2 cents worth, as I love my sharing my experiences and knowledge. Every kibble is naturally undesirable to a pup at first, because kibble is a man-made concept. You can ween your pup to actually eat what you want it, as a pack leader, to eat.

    Unless you decide to feed your pup appropriately formulated raw foods, the following may sound cruel, but it’s not. I assure you. As the saying goes…”You have to be cruel to be kind”.

    When introducing whatever kibble you end up decided on (By the, Artemis Maximal kibble has a smell that makes me want to eat it myself, lol), you just do so, obviously with the 7 day weening method from what it was used to eating, and when your pup won’t touch it, you keep positively encouraging it to eat their meal, and when after 15 minutes when it hasn’t touched it, you simply take the bowl away, AND DO NOT RETURN WITH A SERVE OF THE PUP’S MEAL UNTIL ITS DUE FOR IT’S NEXT MEAL TIME.

    At next meal time, if it hasn’t touched it again after 15 minutes or some of it only, you again take the bowl away, and again provide the next serve topped up if it did eat a little before, on the next meal time.

    Keep doing this, and I guarantee your pup will soon eat every little kibble out of the bowl, when it’s provided during meal time. I didn’t create this method. I learned this method from dog behavioural experts and is a common and effective way in teaching your dog to eat what you want it to eat.

    I used this method on my JRT even after she was no longer a pup, when I first adopted her at the age of 2 years (my first dog). I first fed her Pedigree, not knowing any better, if only a short time, then something inside me made me want to educate myself on what are good foods and not for dogs, unlike most others that have a bad experience with their first dog or so. In that way I guess I was lucky, in that that hadn’t happened to me.

    I then fed her Purina Pro Plan, succumbing to a pet shop’s poor advice, and then I came across Artemis brand of kibbles, and after further scrutiny of this food, and weighing up my finances, I decided to stick with Artemis Fresh Mix Maximal grain free kibble, of which my JRT did not want to have anything to do with at first. I then used the ‘take the bowl away after 15 minutes” method, and after about 2 days, she was happily eating it all up. She now loves it, although I now alternate between this and raw foods, because it provides variety, still maintains affordability after calculating my finances, and because top rated raw foods are the best foods to feed our dogs.

    Anyway, if you read this, I hope it’s of some help.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Tracey… With the exception of garlic (in some foods), it’s unlikely your dog is emitting the odor of the food he eats. In any case, topping a dry dog food with a wet food can be notably improve the palatability of any kibble. Just be sure both foods are AAFCO rated for either “all ife stages” or “growth” (puppies). Hope this helps.

  • Tracey

    I am having a couple of issues… first – our new puppy isn’t transitioning too well. His stools are fine – however he really is not interested in eating the food! The only way I can get him to eat it is if I put a little (1/2 tsp.) yogurt as a topper and then he’ll gobble it up. Same goes for the diamond nat. that the breeder had him on. I think one issue is that the breeder free fed all of her dogs & pups, so he is used to grazing all day long. Also, does anyone find that this food smells really bad (and therefore my pup smells bad?) I find that this & diamond nat have a gross smell (not that I am expecting dog food to smell good). But the vet gave us a sample of innova, which we think smells soooo much better/cleaner. I have no interest in using innova – but wondering if because it’s more chicken/turkey based it would impart a better odor on our pup? My husband can hardly stand to be in the house because of the smell. Do dogs tend to carry the odor of the food they’re eating?

  • Annie

    Tracey – Definitely take it slow. I usually start about a 75/25 mix and if that seems okay, I keep going with it for a couple weeks before adding a little more new. Then if that seems to work, I stick with it again for a couple weeks. Good luck!

  • Annie

    I have recently started switching my two dogs (2 1/2 yr old Chinese Crested Powder Puff & 1 1/2 yr old Yorkie/Bichon Frise) from Innova Small Breed Adult because I prefer not to support Proctor & Gamble or take my chances with what they will do with the formula. I tried Grandma Lucy’s freeze dried, which the boys LOVED, but it seemed a bit expensive and they really seem to like their “crunchies & gravy”. I’m very slowly introducing FROMM Gold in with the Innova and am pleasantly surprised at how smoothly the transition is going. My Yorkie/Bichon mix is a rescue dog and has a very nervous and sensitive stomach. He was originally on Science Diet and I had a terrible time trying to switch him over to my Chinese Crested’s food when I adopted him. We finally determined the culprits were most likely corn, wheat and soy. While they’ve done beautifully on the Innova for the past year, I like that FROMM is still a small company here in the US using ingredients from the US. They really seem to like it fixed with a bit of water (“gravy”). After reading quite a few reviews from people having successfully fed FROMM for years, I hope that will be the case with my boys.

  • Tracey

    Thank you for the tip, Jana! I was planning on trying to transition over a week – but I think I’ll start to slow down a bit. We got our pup yesterday, and he’s really not eating that much yet. The breeder free feeds her dogs so I don’t think he’s used to a feeding schedule yet. I did do a 75/25 mix, and he seemed to have an easier time eating the fromm’s (maybe because the kibble is about 1/2 the size of the diamond nat. lbp. But I don’t want to do anything to put stress on his digestion. Again, thanks!

  • Gordon

    That’s what I thought about Artemis and Canidae. Perhaps you’re right ed, but might they contract Diamond Pet, just to put their formula together?

    Anyway, no big deal. I’m not seeking to obtain Fromm.

  • ed

    Fromm is a small family company in Wisconsin. No relation to Diamond whatsoever. It is still owned by the same family that founded it.

  • Gordon

    Huh, another dog food product with tomato pomace as an ingredient. What’s the bet its made by Diamond Pet! Yes it seems I am capable of trivial comments too. haha

  • jana

    Tracey, please be sure to keep puppyon breeders food for a few weeks then transition verrrry slowly. iwent from Proplan LBP to Fromm’s LBP it took me 3 weeks to change slowly.. Fromm’s is very dense and my pup got very loose stools had to do chick/rice diet then slow change to fromms

  • Tracey

    Thank you for the update, Eileen. We are getting a new puppy this weekend and I am planning on transitioning him from the breeder’s food (Diamond Naturals LB Puppy) to Fromm LB Puppy Gold. It sounds as though Fromm is very responsive, which is very important to me. Glad to hear that the copper does not appear to be an issue.

  • eileen streb

    Just thought I’d give a update on the listing of copper oxide listed on Fromm Gold Nutrional dog food. I spoke to their Nutrionalist and she assured ne they do not put that in their dog food.Since they are a small co. they order their food labels in the bulk and if there is a mistake in labeling they would still use the labels due to cost. However it is only listed on the label of the above mentioned dog food, not their other brands. I have a tendency to believe them as when I told them my dog threw up on the 4th day of transistioning , they asked me to put 2cups of dog food in a box on my porch and they would have a special ups carrier pic it up at no cost to me. They want to run tests to try to see what may be in it to caused the dog to get sick. In my opinon this has been the most repsonsive and caring dog food company I have ever contacted. They answered my emails as well as called me.

  • eileen streb

    Mike, I e-mailed Fromm about the copper oxide listed in their Gold Nutrional dog food ingred. This type of copper according to Drs.Smith and Foster should not be ingested. Their rep replied ” It must be a mis-print or a very old label.They have’nt used that copper in a very long time.” Makes you wonder why they ever used it! Just thought I’d let you know.

  • eileen streb

    Five days ago I started feeding my young dog Fromm Adult dog food.On the 4th day I noticed her stools were black. She was only getting not quite a half cup of Fromm at that time. Does anyone know why this would happen? The last time I seen poop this color was many years ago when I fed another pet Iams. At that time I did’nt know any thing about better dog food. I don’t know if I should continue on with this food or not. Any feedback would be appreciated.

  • Jana

    i sure will!!

  • Meagan

    Jana- Let us know how he does! Nobody likes a sick baby. Your welcome. :)

  • Jana

    i think i will just keep hiim on the Fromm’s and see how he does in a few weeks. i will also keep the white rice in his kibble when i introduce it tommorow again and even some pumpkin. i hope it works for him i feel so bad..yes you have helped thank you so much!!

  • Meagan

    Jana-In my opinion I would not switch him back to the pro-plan only because if he is already on the Fromm’s that will probably just make him keep having the loose stools. (To much switching in his diet.) Maybe add some pure pumpkin (helps firm loose stools) and see how he does for at least 3 weeks to a month. However, it could be that your puppy will never tolerate Fromm’s so in that case I would look at Mikes other 4-5 star products.
    P.S. Panacur is a de-wormer. That will probably give him loose stools while it cleans him out.
    Hope I helped you!

  • Jana

    i got my golden retriever puppy last monday, he was on proplan lbp and i decided to switch to Fromm’s Gold LBP. he was doing ok pretty firm stools to start now its like mud and mucous. took him to vet today he’s on panacur/flagyl for his tummy as well as chik/rice. tommorow introduce kibble again slowly should i go back to proplan or stay with Fromm’s. i did not transition him slowly from the proplan to Fromms and i should have.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Michelle… Please visit our Library and look for the Best Puppy Food article. That can help narrow down your search. But be sure to read every word of the main article to help you understand the protein issue. Hope this helps.

  • Michelle Johnson

    Mike – I am trying to determine what the best puppy food is for our 4-month old female Airedale Terrier Puppy. I am considering Fromm’s Gold Nutritionals-Puppy Gold; Orijen Grain-Free Puppy Dry; and Wellness Puppy. After reading the Orijen White Paper, it seems like grain-free is the way to feed. Although I don’t know if Orijen is too high in protein. The breeder sent the puppy home with Purina Pro Plan Puppy-Chicken & Rice which is not a quality food. The more research I do and the more labels I read the more confused I get. Any input would be appreciated. We fed our last Airedale the Perfect Health Diet (PHD) from a holistic company in New York. We lost her at six years old from osteosarcoma in her right hind leg. I don’t know if the food contributed to the bone cancer or not, so I am trying to be careful in determining what to feed this new puppy.

  • Bill

    We breed and show Chihuahuas..My oldest “pet” 2 lb. spayed female had problems with crusty eyes…for a lack of a better term…Angel Eyes kept it cleared up… When we switched to Fromme Puppy Gold…the Angel Eyes was no longer needed…the food is superb!! The whole crew of 5 gets the Fromme Puppy Gold for the evening meal…and they get Raw in the morning..
    Thanks, Fromme!

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Michelle… I’m aware of the stories circulating about these two dog food ingredients. However, since I’ve yet to find a single scientific study published in a peer-reviewed journal confirming a definitive connection between bloat and either saponins or citric acid, we currently do not factor the presence of these two items into any of our ratings.

    The whole citric acid debate appears to be related to an article about canine bloat which was published a few years ago and originated from Purdue University. There is a great deal of controversy about how much truth can be found in that “study”.

    One of my favorite explanations calling attention to the the questionable value of that report was written by Linda Arndt (also known as The Great Dane Lady). She does a very good job of presenting the other side of this story. Click on the link here to read her article, “My Comments on the Purdue Bloat Study“.

    The saponin rumor appears to be related to an article written by Robert Abady (1993?) which has so far never been scientifically proven.

  • Michelle aka Malakai Kennels

    Hi Mike:

    Great website… very helpful. I’m going to refer all my puppy buyers to you. Here’s my question…
    I breed Malamutes, a breed that can be prone to bloat. I’ve never had problems with bloat but several friends have and they fed Fromms. Bloat-prone breeds should avoid foods with citric acid and/or fat as the first 4 ingredients. Moistened food w citric acid increases the risk of bloat 320% and fat by 170%. Have you considered these studies in your recommendations?

    I’ve also read that foods containing saponins are bad for bloat. These foods include: soybeans, beet pulp, tomato pomace, alfalfa, fenugreek, oats, peas, beans, potato, garlic, yucca, grape skins, spinach and liquorice. How if at all do these factor into your ratings?

    Thanks for the great info!
    Michelle

  • Laurie M.

    I have spoken with Bryan from Fromm Family Foods, who has told me that the Fromm Gold Adult formula is actually Fromm’s #1 best selling formula, ahead of the Fromm Four-Star formulas. No wonder. It’s a very good, simple food. Looks like it is easily digestible.

  • Cathy

    Ed,
    My dog, 80# lab mix, drinks the most water within 5 to 10 minutes after eating his high-protein, high-fat, no-grain, low-carb meal of superior kibble and raw meat,organs,veges,fruit. He will then go several hours without a drink (unless he races around the yard chasing critters). Where do you come up with your 60-90 minute timeframe for drinking the most water?

  • ed

    Doc, with all due respect, you will always see a dog drink more water 60-90 minutes after eating on a high protein or high fat food compared to moderate level foods. It is not a coincidence that most adult foods fall into the 25/15 area. That is the area where most dogs can assimilate the ingredients most efficiently.

    You are referring to normal thirst above. I am not.

  • Carol

    I switched my 10 year old Aussie mix to Fromm Adult Gold earlier this year from a grain-free Canadian food that was very expensive. After some research, I discovered it is a high quality food, is made here in the U.S. and gets good reviews on all the dog food analysis websites. We adopted a 6 month old puppy in August and she has been on the Puppy Gold. Both of them are doing great on it. I’m getting ready to transition the puppy to the adult formula soon. I don’t know why this food isn’t more well known. I guess put their money into the food and not into fancy advertising….

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Janet… Sorry to hear about Birdie’s recent diagnosis of diabetes. Unfortunately, since I’m not a veterinarian, I cannot provide specific health advice or product recommendations. Please see our FAQ page and look for the topic, “Diabetic Dog Food”. Or check back for a possible response from one of our other readers.

    Incidentally, our dog, Bailey, is not diabetic. Wish I could be more help.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    With all due respect, Ed, water consumption and the urge to drink (by any animal) are controlled by the simple process of osmosis and electrolyte balance. They have nothing whatsoever to do with the digestibility of a food. What’s more, your sweeping and non-specific condemnation of “designer foods” is unscientific and unprovable.

  • Janet

    Hi Mike, I hope you can help me, I am so desparately trying to help my dog Birdie, 2 weeks ago she was diagnosed with Diabetes, insulin 2 times a day and the vet put her on DCO dry and OM canned foods, I have read the ingriedients and can’t understand why a diabetic dog would be fed this diet.. I am so desperate for answers about anything someone else has learned about how to handle this disease… Food is definately an issue, what have you learned by your experience, what do you feed your diabetic dog? PLEASE HELP!

  • ed

    Doc, dogs will often drink 60-90 minutes after eating. If a food is not being assimilated efficiently the dog will drink more to assist in that. Some of these “designer foods” are nothing more than kitchen sink foods with lots of ingredients that don’t do a thing but are hard to digest. Small and toy breeds have more trouble than most and do better on a simpler formula.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Pancho… Water consumption is a natural process and is automatically regulated by the electrolyte (salt) balance of a dog’s body. Whether or not this sign is directly related to the new food is unknown. Stool frequency and volume are most likely related to the fiber content of the food. But it can also be related to its digestibility or your dog’s health. In any case, since it is not the purpose of this website to provide medical advice, you may wish to contact your vet if you feel these symptoms are abnormal and don’t clear up soon.

  • ed

    He is drinking more water because he is having trouble digesting the food and he is probably eating too much. Personally, I would put him on Royal Canin. That company has excellent foods for small breed dogs. Don’t listen to the dog food elitists.

  • Pancho

    Hi Mike,

    I recently switched my 3 year old boston terrier from Purina Pro Plan to Fromm’s 4 star salmon dry food. Since the switch he consumes CONSIDERABLY more water and goes number 2 four to six times a day (up from his twice a day routine). Is this normal? Is this healthy?

    Thanks Mike.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Eileen… Try mixing the food with a nice canned food.

  • Eileen

    I just discovered Fromms Puppy Gold I mixed a little with her other food she ate a bit. I tried a piece or two alone and she won’t eat it she pushed it away with her paw. She is pooping more and her poop is a little green and red suppose its the different veggies. Her poop is normal besides that. Any suggestions?

  • http://pineriverkennel.com Ruth

    I have been feeding Fromm Classic dry & can dog food to all my German Shepherds for 3 years now. All my dogs LOVE it, and do Very well on it. I have tried many dog foods. Only to come back and STAY with Fromm famliy dog food. I wish it was sold in more places in North East CT. Hard to find.

  • Jeanne

    I have an eight year old dobe who had bad hot spots and was losing his fur. I have been switching foods for about a year when my friend Carol suggested Fromm. Cody has been on it for almost 3 months and is doing great. He has more energy and lost that jell roll around his tummy. The color of his coat looks richer. I’m so glad he is on the right food. Thanks to my friend Carol. I didn’t know about Fromm, the stores in my area don’t stock it. I have it shipped to my house. Great food!

  • karen

    I have 2 shelties and they are both doing extremely well on Fromm. I switched them 2 years ago because of weight issues and have not had any issues with either one of them since. They have beautiful coats and skin. My older dog has shown alot of improvement with his dysplasia as well. They were on pro plan and I am so glad I switched them. You must do it gradually though.

  • Pamela Bourque

    HI – I started using Fromm’s 17 years ago when I had a lab mix – tried several foods – and this was the best for him – coat and digestive issues disappeared on Fromm’s. My 3 present dogs eat Fromm’s Gold adult dry – at 8,10 and 12 years of age – they are active, their coats are shiny and full without additional supplements and have had no major health issues. I believe the food has certainly played a role in their health and well being.

  • Carol Slaten

    Gene:

    I have heard from vets and experienced the switching from a low quality food to a more nutrient dense food. With a grown dog sometimes they just can’t handle the nutrient dense foods at all, no matter how slow the process of switching over. Their digestive systems just are not as efficient as they become older. I am speaking more specifically of senior dogs in my personal experience, but this would be true for the younger adults too. It does depend much on the breed of dog, as well. Some breeds just have a sensitive digestive system. For example, the worst being Irish Setters and their intolerance of gluten. I don’t see many of this breed, which used to be very popular when I was a kid. In fact, I just lost my beloved sheltie one week ago to complicated gastrointestinal disease resulting in a progression of multiorgan failure, a complicated process which I won’t go into specifics, mainly due to just wanting to stay on the subject of your inquiry and still grieving for him. He could not eat any brand of dog food and I had to cook for him in the last 2 years of his life.

  • Gene DiStefano

    We have a 5 month old Labradoodle who should grow to about 60 – 70lbs. Cosmos digestive system was very delicate and his stools were very loose. Our Vet explained that some puppies cannot handle the better grades or higher protein dog foods until they grow a bit. She recommended Purina One Puppy and we feed Cosmo 2 large bags and it actually worked. We did just recently start blending him over to Fromm Large Puppy and he is doing well and we have less Stool to pick up. Has anyone heard this from your vet before?

  • evs

    My Belgian malinois X puppy is 6 months now and has been on Fromm large breed puppy gold. She is doing very well on it and I plan to keep feeding her Fromm. She was on Hill’s science diet puppy dry food when we got her because that’s what they feed them at the shelter and we got a free bag. Since changing her to Fromm’s she has been much healthier and I feel like she is much more nutritionally balanced especially for such an active breed. Her coat is shinier and She is growing up to be a very beautiful, happy, healthy dog. I love Fromm’s and a big plus is that I live in Wisconsin where it’s made so it’s very easy for me to find.

  • http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com Mara

    My George a now 12 year old Lab mix has been eating FROMM for the past 11 years and now is on the senior Gold. He does extremely well on this food. He also eats raw vegetables and raw fruits and loves bananas best. I’m thrilled with the review and happy to share my Georgie story.

  • Carol Minkus

    I have been feeding either the Fromm Gold Nutritional or their 4 Star formula now for over 3 years. I switched from over 10 years of feeding Canidae when Canidae changed their formula – and not for the best. My dog have been doing wonderful on this food. One high sign to me of a quality, high digestible food is that all my guys only poop ONCE a day – down from twice a day on the Canidae. I attribute this not only to the high digestibility but the probiotics added to the food. Far as I’m concerned, this is an awesome food and reasonably priced as well.

  • Jan M.

    Hi Mike! I was wondering about the Ziwipeak. We actually sold this at our local pet specialty store. Is there another type of Ziwipeak? Thanks for your consideration.

  • elly

    thanks mike.
    also whenever you add the ziwipeak; and i hope that will be soon :)
    please take a look at the dry and the canned version too.
    thanks
    http://www.ziwipeak.com/nzl/cuisinefamily.shtml

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Elly… Actually, that is an excellent suggestion. I’ll take a closer look at Great Life’s canned products to see if their ingredients are listed in a more standardized format.

  • elly

    mike thanks for your response. what about their canned version?. great life dog food canned
    http://www.doctorsfinest.com/category_s/47.htm

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Elly… Currently ZiwiPeak is not available in the United States (although we are planning to add products manufactured in many English-speaking countries in the not-too-distant future). Great Life has an unusual (non-standard) way for reporting its ingredients. It uses two different ingredient lists… one for the kibble and another for the coating.

    This fact makes it impossible for us to properly determine the relative amount of ingredients so we can report our findings accurately. We have contacted the company and they have promised to send us a “combined” list of ingredients arranged according to FDA standards. However, after over a month of waiting we have yet to receive any updates from Great Life.

  • elly

    is it possible to place any kind of review on the great life products. of maybe 2 different reviews one for the raw and one for their kibble.
    also i don’t see ziwipeak dog cuisine on your site?
    would you be looking at this anytime soon?

    thank you

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Helena… Thanks to your suggestion I’ve added Nature’s Logic to my To Do list.
    Unfortunately, Great Life is a different story. They use an unusual system of publishing their ingredients on two separate lists… one for the “coating” and the other for the kibble itself.

    Our special software cannot seem to make heads or tails of this dual approach to ingredients. I’ve contacted the company personally to request information and they have promised to forward a usable “label”.

    So far, I haven’t heard from them.

  • Helena

    What about Nature’s Logic?
    Have you looked at both ingrediant lists at Great Life? Mu vet was impressed by it, and my dogs seem to like it…

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Helena… We would like to place Great Life on our site but the company uses a non-standard method to report its ingredient content. The company presents its content in two separate ingredient lists (one for the coating and one for the food itself).

    This method does not lend itself to proper analysis. We have asked the company to present all its ingredients in the form of a single list but so far we have not been able to obtain this critical information.

    By the way, for your finicky eaters try “topping” a kibble meal with a top quality canned meat-based dog food. My Bailey gobbles this mixture up. Remember, kibble is convenient… but about as far from “natural” as you can get. Hope this helps.

  • Helena

    Enjoyed your site. Very informative. Have a 8 yr old Australian Shep/collie mix and small maltipoo plus 2 cats. The collie mix and cats were all on Nutro Natural Choice and all stopped eating it at the same time after 8 yrs. Been trying foods… tried Blue Buffalo on my collie who didn’t take it unless mixed with Merrick canned. Then tried Natural Choice Bison she didn’t eat it unless mixed with Merrick dry.
    She is on Milk thistle for liver problems and has developed pad splits which I read can happen from zinc deficcency. So thought adding Solid Gold Sea Meal would help.
    After all the research I then decided maybe raw, went to a good wholistic dog food store and discovered the raw products as well as Great Life dog food. They gave me sample packs to try. Both my collie mix and maltipoo took to it right away. I decided to use it at night and raw during morning. What I was impressed by was the ingrediants, had milk thistle and zinc in it as well as raw..
    Was wondering while this dog food was not on your site? Thought this food was worth you looking at.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    HI Maria… it’s impossible to know what part of any food can be disagreeable to any particular dog. I would suggest that you either “dovetail” more slowly (using a smaller portion of the new one) into the new food… or if you feel there’s a real problem, of course… just discontinue it and look for something else.

    WE had the same problem with Bailey until we stumbled upon a mix of a canned (topper) over a dry kibble… one is a four-star food and the other, a five.

  • maria

    I recently tried to switch my dog from Wellness Core to Fromms Gold and did not have good results. My reason for the switch was to save a little money and still give her a high quality food.

    The first day with 2/3 wellness and 1/3 Fromms, she didn’t even each any of it, then the two days she ate it and threw up as soon as she finished.

    I’m not sure what it is in the Fromms – perhaps it is the higher grains (rice/barley and oatmeal) that isn’t in the Wellness? Do you think that could have been the reason?

    And thank you for this site, it is really a great source of information!!