4Health Dog Food (Dry)

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Rating: ★★★★☆

4Health Dog Food receives the Advisor’s second-highest tier rating of 4 stars.

The 4Health product line includes nine dry dog foods.

Although each appears to be designed for a specific life stage, we were unable to find AAFCO nutritional profile recommendations for these dog foods on the product’s web page.

The following is a list of recipes available at the time of this review.

  • 4Health Puppy Formula
  • 4Health Small Bites Adult
  • 4Health Large Breed Adult
  • 4Health Mature Adult (3 stars)
  • 4Health Chicken and Rice Adult
  • 4Health Salmon and Potato Adult
  • 4Health Lamb and Rice Adult (3 stars)
  • 4Health Healthy Weight Adult (3 stars)
  • 4Health Performance Formula Adult (5 stars)

4Health Chicken and Rice Adult formula was selected to represent the other products in the line for this review.

4Health Chicken and Rice Adult

Dry Dog Food

Estimated Dry Matter Nutrient Content

Protein = 29% | Fat = 17% | Carbs = 46%

Ingredients: Chicken, chicken meal, cracked pearled barley, millet, brewers rice, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), dried plain beet pulp, natural chicken flavor, flaxseed, fish meal, potassium chloride, salt, choline chloride, dried chicory root, glucosamine hydrochloride, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, Yucca schidigera extract, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, chondroitin sulfate, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, niacin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin, vitamin D supplement, folic acid

Fiber (estimated dry matter content) = 4.4%

Red items when present indicate controversial ingredients

Estimated Nutrient Content
MethodProteinFatCarbs
Guaranteed Analysis26%15%NA
Dry Matter Basis29%17%46%
Calorie Weighted Basis25%35%40%

The first ingredient in this dog food is chicken. Although it is a quality item, raw chicken contains about 80% water. After cooking, most of that moisture is lost, reducing the meat content to just a fraction of its original weight.

After processing, this item would probably account for a smaller part of the total content of the finished product.

The second ingredient is chicken meal. Chicken meal is considered a meat concentrate and contains nearly 300% more protein than fresh chicken.

The third ingredient is barley. Barley is a starchy carbohydrate supplying fiber and other healthy nutrients. However, aside from its energy content, this cereal grain is of only modest nutritional value to a dog.

The fourth ingredient is millet, a gluten-free grain harvested from certain seed grasses. Millet is hypoallergenic and naturally rich in B-vitamins and fiber as well as other essential minerals.

The fifth ingredient is brewers rice. Brewers rice is a cereal grain by-product consisting of the small fragments left over after milling whole rice. Aside from the caloric energy it contains, this item is of only modest nutritional value to a dog.

The sixth ingredient is chicken fat. Chicken fat is obtained from rendering chicken, a process similar to making soup in which the fat itself is skimmed from the surface of the liquid.

Chicken fat is high in linoleic acid, an omega-6 fatty acid essential for life. Although it doesn’t sound very appetizing, chicken fat is actually a quality ingredient.

The seventh ingredient is beet pulp. Beet pulp is a controversial ingredient, a high fiber by-product of sugar beet processing.

Some denounce beet pulp as an inexpensive filler while others cite its outstanding intestinal health and blood sugar benefits.

We only call your attention here to the controversy and believe the inclusion of beet pulp in reasonable amounts in most dog foods is entirely acceptable.

After the natural flavor, we find flaxseed, one of the best plant sources of healthy omega-3 fatty acids. Provided they’ve first been ground into a meal, flax seeds are also rich in soluble fiber.

However, flaxseed contains about 19% protein, a factor that must be considered when judging the actual meat content of this dog food.

From here, the list goes on to include a number of other items.

But to be realistic, ingredients located this far down the list (other than nutritional supplements) are not likely to affect the overall rating of this product.

With three notable exceptions

First, we note the inclusion of fish meal, another protein-rich meat concentrate.

Fish meal is typically obtained from the “clean, dried, ground tissue of undecomposed whole fish and fish cuttings” of commercial fish operations.1

Unfortunately, this particular item is anonymous. Because various fish contain different types of fats, we would have preferred to have known the source species.

Next, chicory root is rich in inulin, a starch-like compound made up of repeating units of carbohydrates and found in certain roots and tubers.

Not only is inulin a natural source of soluble dietary fiber, it’s also a prebiotic used to promote the growth of healthy bacteria in a dog’s digestive tract.

And lastly, this food also contains chelated minerals, minerals that have been chemically attached to protein. This makes them easier to absorb. Chelated minerals are usually found in better dog foods.

4Health Dog Food
The Bottom Line

Judging by its ingredients alone, 4Health Dog Food looks like an average dry product.

But ingredient quality by itself cannot tell the whole story. We still need to estimate the product’s meat content before determining a final rating.

The dashboard displays a dry matter protein reading of 29%, a fat level of 17% and estimated carbohydrates of about 46%.

As a group, the brand features an average protein content of 27% and a mean fat level of 15%. Together, these figures suggest a carbohydrate content of 50% for the overall product line.

And a fat-to-protein ratio of about 54%.

Near-average protein. Near-average fat. And near-average carbs when compared to a typical dry dog food.

Even when you consider the protein-boosting effect of the flaxseed, this looks like the profile of a kibble containing a moderate amount of meat.

Bottom line?

4Health Dog Food is a plant-based kibble using a moderate amount of chicken, lamb or fish as its main sources of animal protein, thus earning the brand 4 stars.

Highly recommended.

Please note certain recipes are sometimes given a higher or lower rating based upon our estimate of their total meat content and (when appropriate) their fat-to-protein ratios.

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Each review is offered in good faith and has been designed to help you make a more informed decision when buying dog food.

However, due to the biological uniqueness of every animal, none of our ratings are intended to suggest feeding a particular product will result in a specific dietary response or health benefit for your pet.

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Notes and Updates

06/14/2014 Last Update

  1. Association of American Feed Control Officials
  • Sam Goulet

    http://dogfood.guru/4health/
    PLEASE RESEARCH EVERY FOOD & MANUFACTURER OF YOUR ANIMAL FOOD FOR RECALLS! THIS FOOD IS ON A RECALL WATCH LIST FOR 2015 & NOT THE FIRST TIME!

    YOU WOULD NOT TRUST JUST 1 SOURCE FOR YOUR TABLE FOOD FAMILY? AWW BUT WE DO THAT ALSO! THE FDA ALSO HAS HUMAN & ANIMAL RECALLS I GET EMAILS DAILY!

    I fed this to my service dog as well as Maintainence by Diamond that had not been publicly recalled! My vet that worked with the huge dog food recall told me it looked just like the dogs from the huge recall that died from tainted food! I did my research as she suggested & this site has sent me recalls on this food in the past. Maybe all the info doesnt get read by everyone fron this site.
    I will only feed home made double cooked chicken with vet approved frozen veggies & she said brown rice can be hard for dogs as well as people to digest. She approved carrots, peas, greenbeans, chicken, powdered garlic, never a flea found on either my former or current service dogs fleas dont like garlic, contraversial is using whole garlic, my trainer uses fresh garlic. I also use powdered ginger & mustard. Ive been adding oatmeal for a grain. I was suggested a hypoallergenic shampoo, she itched badly! So My new batch im going to use hamberger & no oatmeal. A small batch to check for allergies. I baked my chicken thoroughly & then it cooked in as I ran the chicken & thawed veggies through a food processor, so double cooked together.
    I am still mourning my Harly! Died just weeks after turning 5 & had a clean UA & CHECK UP JUST 6 WEEKS BEFORE DYING IN MY ARMS AT THE VET FROM LONG TERM KIDNEY FAILURE ONLY FED HIM THE 2 STORE BOUGHT FOODS MIXED WITH MY HOMEMADE VET APPROVED FOOD EXCEPT WHEN WE LIVED IN MY TRUCK 9 MONTHS WHEN ALL I FED WAS THE DRY FOOD. NEVER AGAIN, IM OFFERING HER TO A GOOD HOME THAT WILL FEED HER MY HOMEMADE FOOD SO SHE DOESNT IN HIND SIGHT DIE A LONG MISSERABLE DEATH! THINKING HARLY WAS BLOWING HIS COAT BUT IT DIDNT STOP VACUUM & THE NEXT DAY A LAYER OF BLACK HAIR! I WAS SO SICK, I DIDNT SEE THAT AS A SYMPTOM & WISH I HAD MORE THAN AN AVG CHECK UP, THOUGH BY THEN IT WAS TOO LATE! ONLY FOUND BY BLOOD WORK & EVEN MY VET WAS SHOCKED!

  • Dani

    i just ordered this https://youtu.be/Ecryd3RFw7A this helped my dog stop peeing in my house

  • LabsRawesome

    Tractor Supply’s website- 5lb bag $7.99 18lb $22.99 35lbs $37.99

  • Chris .

    How much? Price needs to be a factor too….

  • Pit Bull Mommy

    My pit bull had been on puppy chow when I first got him. I switched him over to 4health and I can see a difference in him. He is a very healthy weigh. He is off of the puppy formula now and I have him on just the large breed type of 4health. He doesnt like the chicken flavor as much which I was very surprised about that. I also just recently rescued a female pit bull from the shelter and she took to 4health immediately. She was very overweight when I got her and now she is down to a good healthy weight and is more active. I will suggest 4health to anyone!

  • LabsRawesome

    Your posts are all just so silly. 1. Victor dog food does not cause liver disease. 2. Taking a dog off of a food does not “cure” liver disease. 3. 4health dog food would not make 7 dogs pee uncontrollably in your house. 4. No one will ever take any of the nonsense that you post seriously. 5. Have a nice day! :)

  • MissyT

    Thats what our 7 dogs did and then they started peeing in the house if they were inside for any extended amount of time. (Like more than 2 hours). They were always drinking water.

  • MissyT

    Re read…Its what the Vet said it COULD be..aka it was one possibility… just like it COULD have been the food. I never said it 100% was the food. I had a feeling it may be the food and when the third dig started getting sick and shaking I knew whatever was causing this was still around. I took my dogs off of Victor and the third one s symptoms went away and she started acting normal again. I took her back to the vet (but a different one) and her void work came back normal and health. THAT is what I said, so go eat dog poop and bug off LabsRawesome!

  • LabsRawesome

    MissyT
    Lepto was what the vet said it could be for the second one, but it
    was too late and her seizures were so sever that we had to have her put
    down one Sunday after Seizing so many times in a row. Scariest, saddest
    thing I’ve ever seen. (Just wanted to update anyone reading this what your VET said the caused your dogs liver disease.)

  • Sharon Dungey

    love this dog food i have 3 dogs and all of them love it and adjusted very well to it

  • aquariangt

    if that’s the case, there is no good reputations there, haha

  • Bobby dog

    I think Schell & Kampeter, Inc. is the parent company of Diamond.

  • aquariangt

    1/2 of 4health is manufactured by Diamond actually, and I don’t remember the rest being done by Schell and Kempeter actually

  • kreammy1

    probably just a coincidence. 4Health is manufactured by Schell and Kampeter, Inc, a U.S. based food manufacturer and they have a very good reputation and have been making dog food for over 45 years. I don’t work for them, but I have used their food for a number of years with very little issue.

  • Sarah Bates

    I just purchased this a few weeks ago. My dogs have so much more energy and love it, however, they have started shedding so much more. I know it is spring and all but this is more than I have ever seen. I am beginning to get worried. Everyone had rave reviews including many with the same breed as one of my dogs . Has anyone else noticed this?

  • Mary Hodges

    Did you ask your Vet about this??

  • texangirl64

    Never heard of this.. My 3 German Shepherds did fine on this food. However I was feeding mine the fish formula. I don’t like feeding Chicken or Beef.. They love the Fish formula..

  • texangirl64

    He may be sick from something else he got in to and you’re assuming it’s the food. No recalls and the food has been fine.

  • Pit_Mom_of_3

    I’m glad she is doing well on the other food=) It’s been a few months and my boys are still doing great with the salmon and potato.’Even though they would eat ANYTHING! Haha
    I’ve noticed their coats are super shiny and a bit softer, which is nice. If they’re happy, I’m happy.

  • Erin Sinclair

    My Shepherd/Husky mix found the salmon too rich.

  • Erin Sinclair

    I have a Shepherd/Husky mix. She is doing beautifully on this food, no skin issues or stomach issues. She is strong, healthy and active. It is late spring in OK and hardly any shedding, but I brush her 3X per week. At 10 months, she looks like an adult, which granted could be breed specific, but I’m very impressed. We use the adult pork and potato or the beef and potato, sometimes we mix them. She loves them. A cup and a half in the morning and at night with the occasional meaty bone. She chews on her Kong to strengthen her jaws and absolutely no rawhide.

  • MissyT

    yes! this happened with all 7 dogs in the family! Then they started peeing in the house on a regular basis and they very rarely had accidents before being on this food. we switched to Victor grain free, and now my dogs are popping up with liver problems!

  • Pit_Mom_of_3

    Thanks! So far so good, and to be honest, I haven’t noticed too strong of an odor. The dogs seem to like it and I’ve noticed their coats are shiny and softer. But it’s done well for Capones allergies and I’m happy with it.

  • Jackie DeKowzan Forrester

    4Health is Tractor Supply Company’s private label brand.

  • Ashley Godsil

    That’s the dog food we feed our lab mix. She has TERRIBLE allergies and that is the only flavor of you will that she can eat without having any type of reaction. I love the brand and couldn’t be happier!! Just fore warning though before you open the bag it does have a heavy fish smell lol.

  • Teri Griffith

    My dog loves this as well..does well for skin allergies and sensitive digestive systems.

  • Pinewood Acres

    I just have a question – we rotated a bag of 4 Health Chicken & Rice Adult Dry food into our dogs diet(Doberman & Chihuahuas) and within 2 days of eating it all of the dogs started drinking 3 times more water than normal. Otherwise, everything is okay. Just wondering if anyone else has experienced this – or if perhaps I should immediately take them off it?

  • CaponesMom

    Hi everyone=) I’m new here and was wondering if anyone has an opinion on the 4h salmon &potato dry food?

  • Dori

    Don’t have anything to add on the subject of this food, but I just saw this photo of your dogs and they are absolutely gorgeous and I’m not a large dog person. I have three toy breeds. Your dogs are exquisite.

  • DogFoodie

    Their heads and jaws remind me so much of my Golden. I wasn’t familiar with the breed and I just did a little reading about Maremmas. It does sound like they’re ideal guard dogs for your property! They’re beautiful and quite happy roaming the ground of Hawaii, I’m sure!

  • http://www.klarity.org clairekellerman

    Thanks for the info that these are GMO-free: Orijen, Acana, Horizon, Wellness, Fromm and Annamaet. My cat eats Wellness. I will have our team explore our GMO-free options, as GMOs destroy gut health in humans and animals. GMOs are made to blow up the guts of insects, hello!

  • http://www.klarity.org clairekellerman

    They are Maremmas, Italian Sheep Dogs; Guard Dogs of an incredible intelligence level, truly! They are white and definitely not Goldens, but may appear a bit apricot, given the red soil they live upon. They will be 110 lbs. when grown. These are their puppy days. Amazing!

  • GSDsForever

    DogFoodie, I think you’re right that it’s from that old recall. I’m thinking that what I saw posted was reposting this, but the reposting post date was current, which confused me. Sorry, all!

  • GSDsForever

    Aha! Magic. Replacing text worked. Okay, carry on. LOL.

    Wonder why we cannot just remove all of our post by simple deletion under edit?

  • GSDsForever

    I’m sorry, C4C. I just saw your post and I tried to find where I just saw the recall alert, but now cannot find it.

    I don’t recall the website, as I was zipping through websites looking for something else, but it was a recent posting & did list March 2015 with pictures of the bags. Maybe what I saw was in error, stale, showing an earlier recall but appearing as current.

    I don’t want to have posted something incorrect, and so unless and until I can confirm it, I’m deleting my above post.

  • DogFoodie

    Hi Claire,

    I don’t believe that 4Health is GMO free, plus most of the varieties are made by Diamond. Some quality brands I like that have made recent claims to be GMO free are Orijen, Acana, Horizon, Wellness, Fromm and Annamaet.

    Thanks for your commitment to our planet!

    Those two gorgeous Goldens cannot be the guard dogs to which you’re referring! ; )

  • Crazy4cats

    Hmmm… maybe? Thanks for checking. I’m signed up for recalls on that site also which includes cat as well as dog food recalls. I haven’t got any emails recently. I don’t think I am going to worry a lot about it as I am only feeding the canned food and it isn’t USUALLY recalled like dry food. Fingers crossed! :)

  • DogFoodie

    I don’t know if this is the recall that she might be seeing:

    http://truthaboutpetfood.com/premium-edge-diamond-naturals-and-4health-dry-cat-food-f-ormulas-voluntarily-recalled/

    It’s dated March 10, 2013.

  • Crazy4cats

    Thank you, I couldn’t find anything either. I have some 4Health canned cat food and a sample bag of kibble. Was a little concerned.

  • Bobby dog

    C4C:
    I can’t find anything on a 4H cat food recall other than the 2012 recall. I checked TSC, FDA & AVMA websites.

  • Crazy4cats

    Hi GSDs-
    Where did you get that info?

  • GSDsForever

    FYI: This brand is under current recall for cat foods. So far, no dog formulas affected.

  • http://www.klarity.org clairekellerman

    Aloha, Is 4Life GMO-free? We do not use any GMO ingredients in our business & community. It is for our guard dogs/Maremma pups, for our project, a 260-acre regenerative ag & permaculture design project. Gotta restore the soil, can’t be havin’ GMOs (genetically modified organisms in our ingredients which poison the soil.)

  • http://www.klarity.org clairekellerman

    Oh, that face could get any treat available from anywhere!

  • http://www.klarity.org clairekellerman

    It’s the dating a dog food blog. Funny!

  • theBCnut

    Ah, but when it rains here, we might get 3 inches in an hour or more, crazy thunderstorms(lightning strike capitol of the world, blah blah blah), and then there’s the people who drive like lunatics IN THE PARKING LOT!!! Talk about taking your life into your own hands.

  • Kathryn

    I recently purchased a bag of the large breed food for my dogs. I have an aging Lab who seems to have some minor dietary issues that I felt were likely related to grain. All three of my dogs have really liked this food. They immediately devour it, so it is clearly very palatable. Good to hear it is also recommended from a nutritional standpoint.

  • Crazy4cats

    If us Seattle-area follks didn’t shop in the rain. We would never have groceries! LOL!

  • theBCnut

    I rarely ever buy ice cream, but on 3 different occasions, I have got caught in the downpour, with ice cream in my cart. You would think that would teach me…send the kid to buy ice cream!

  • theBCnut

    Absolutely, that’s my story and I’m sticking to it. 😛

  • LabsRawesome

    Nice pic! :)

  • LabsRawesome

    Aw their adorable! My Dachshund is our first little dog. They bark a lot more than big dogs. But they’re cute. :)

  • Melanie

    Willow is our latest rescue. Never thought I’d own a chi doggie but she is the sweetest dog.

  • Melanie

    Here is one of Wilson and my daughter Noelle.

  • LabsRawesome

    He is so handsome! I agree, they are the best dogs. :)

  • Dori

    Yep! Everything’s a game with them and then the game turns into tug of war with what every piece of wardrobe they got off the other. Countless hours of laughter with dogs that’s for sure!!!

  • Melanie

    Labs, my lab is a Dudley lab. Do you know what that is? He was a reject from his litter because he had chocolate lab colorings instead of a yellow labs colorings. The breeder didn’t want him. He turned out to be the best dog ever. Very calm for a lab.

  • LabsRawesome

    She didn’t mind dressing up at all. That is too funny, your dogs undress each other. lol.

  • Dori

    These are so cute and sweet. Trinity certainly was a good sport wearing all the batman gear including the head gear. I can dress all my dogs up but none of my dogs have ever kept anything on their heads. They rub their heads on the ground until the get it off. Or, of course, one of the other dogs would attempt to pull it off the others with their teeth.

    I also can’t understand someone not having a single picture of their dog. That would be like not having a single picture of your human children. Can’t imagine.

  • Dori

    Pure love! So sweet.

  • LabsRawesome

    Hey Dori, I found some more Batman pics. :)

  • LabsRawesome

    Thank you Dori! We’re just a super happy family. :)

  • LabsRawesome

    15 months. :)

  • Dog_Obsessed

    Yup, Sandy is one of the Mods. She is awesome!

  • Dori

    Oh Lordy, I forgot to mention to Melanie that not only is your son always smiling but your dogs are always smiling too! Good grief, how do you manage that or is your’s just a happy household. If that’s the case, then I’d like to know how you manage that also. :)

  • Dori

    Oh Labs! How cute is this pic. Just adorable. How old was your son here?

  • Dori

    Labs’ son always has a smile on his face. That is one happy kid. I’ve yet to see a pic of him where he doesn’t have a big smile or grin on his face.

  • LabsRawesome

    TY My son is 9. And Trinity is 11.

  • Melanie

    Sweet!

  • Melanie

    How cute. How old is your lab now? Your son looks like he’s about 10?

  • LabsRawesome

    Thanks! I like this one too. She thought my son was her puppy. :) He never napped in his crib. lol

  • GSDsForever

    omg that is too precious for words

  • LabsRawesome

    When he was a baby, they liked to play Batman.

  • Melanie

    Awe. They’re playing StarWars.

  • GSDsForever

    YW! She looks like it.

  • LabsRawesome

    Thank you. She is the sweetest dog.

  • GSDsForever

    :-) Your lab just always looks to be looking directly at us & INVOLVED. LOL.

    And beautiful face. I am a sucker for a beautiful face in a dog!

  • LabsRawesome

    Okay I won’t! :)

  • GSDsForever

    Good pics too — but I don’t think you can get a better one than your avatar one! You’re not allowed to change it, ok?

  • GSDsForever

    awww, but see I still love seeing it.

    :-) Thank you!!!

  • LabsRawesome

    Aw they are adorable! :) Here’s a pic of my son and our Dachshund, Blue. Then there’s Trinity the Lab. And Cooper, Springer Spaniel.

  • Melanie

    Well maybe I should post it again! Oops. Still sideways lol

  • GSDsForever

    LOL. Sandy IS very nice. Glad she could help you & that you’ve had such a good sense of humor about all of our silliness about it. Plus then I really did like your sweet doggie pic you later posted. :-)

  • Melanie

    Actually some nice lady named Sandy deleted it for me. You guys are all so nice on this site.

  • Dog_Obsessed

    I’m not sure if there’s a way to edit photos. What would recommend is reporting the post, and replying to it saying that you would like the picture deleted and why. You could also use the “contact us” button at the bottom of the page.

  • Dog_Obsessed

    So cute! 😀

  • Melanie

    Great. Delete it for me. Thank you.

  • http://theuglypugglyboutique.com/ sandy

    I can delete that posting if you like.

  • Bobby dog

    I don’t blame you. You never know what can happen with personal pics posted on the Internet! Use the contact us form. There is a link at the very bottom of each page on DFA.

  • Dori

    Boy, isn’t that the truth. Between the Beneful posts and the Propylene Glycol thread things seemed to be going quite down hill and yeah, let’s not even mention the 4Health thread. I pity anyone trying to get info on 4Health. Somehow it turned into a Halo thread. Glad that’s all over with. I think all that may have contributed to the light banter and giggles with Labs and the rest of us yesterday and today. ☺️

  • Crazy4cats

    So cute! I’ve posted upside down and sideways also. Congrats!

  • Crazy4cats

    😀

  • Melanie

    DO now I want to delete the picture of the scruffy doggy and the kids. It’s actually the neighbors dog and I don’t feel too comfortable having the kids picture on here. Chose it accidentally from my phone. Got a little carried away. Any suggestions?

  • Melanie

    OK just 1 more. Now I’m gonna go crazy showing off my dogs!!!

  • aquariangt

    For flavor… >.>

  • Melanie

    Ok so one of my dogs is sideways. Oh we’ll. at least I know how to post a picture now. Thanks for your help! This is Wilson and Willow.

  • Dog_Obsessed

    Click the icon that looks like a landscape on the lower right corner of the post button, then attach a photo.

  • Melanie

    Well if somebody would tell me how to post a darn pic I would post one!!!

  • Crazy4dogs

    I buy chickens, beef and pork on sale for our dogs and cook it up in the crock pot. My husband comes home and say wow, it smells good. What are we having for dinner and then says, Oh, it’s for the dogs! LOL!

  • Dori

    Well, we don’t have any room anywhere for a freezer so the freezer part of our fridge is full of dog food which is why I seem to live at the grocery store for people food for us. It’s especially tough since I’ve got the girls on commercial raw frozen and there is, literally, no room for frozen people food. Some, I suppose, would think that’s good so that we could always it fresh for ourselves, but those would be people that don’t actually know me. LOL! Our girls eat way better than I would have even dreamt that we could. We won’t either, there’s no room in the freezer or fridge for good, wholesome, fresh food for us. What can I say? They’re my baby girls!

  • Dori

    Picture of me, No Way! Picture of Labs? That’s a different issue. I’m in my laundry day, possibly grocery day “look”. I have absolutely no looks, pics, or otherwise that I could possibly post to match.com. Not to mention my hubby would have some serious issues with my posting to match.com. Hmmmmm. Maybe I could use that as a way for him to help pick up some of the poop before Katie gets to it. Nah….I don’t think he’ll fall for it.

  • Dori

    LMAO! I started the laundry and realized that I didn’t have enough ingredients of anything to make an actual meal so got myself together and went to the grocery store. Of course when I left the store with my cart over flowing it started to pour. That’ll teach me. I should have stayed home, done the laundry and ordered pizza.

  • Crazy4dogs

    My husband teases me that if it were ever Armageddon, our dogs would live for years!!! I must have 30 cases of backup 5 star canned food in our basement along with several 5 star bags. I have more dog food than people food backed up, but I can’t resist a good dog food on sale! I won’t even mention all the frozen raw in our back up garage freezer. LOL!

  • theBCnut

    That’s definitely NOT where I was going with that. More along the lines of “If I don’t go shopping, I won’t wear all the clothes, and I won’t have to do laundry.” You are way more motivated than I am.

  • theBCnut

    OK, I won’t, but Micah might! Actually, Tapestry is a doe and will always be a pet. Michael will be a daddy for a while and then may go back to the breeder, it depends on what he produces and his temperament.

    This is Kainos, my current buck. He has a phenomenal temperament and will be here for a very long time.

  • Crazy4cats

    Look what you have started, Debby! It’s sure a breath of fresh air compared to all the recent posts on the Beneful thread! Thank you! Although, we have destroyed the 4Health thread.

  • LabsRawesome

    Welcome to DFA! :)

  • Crazy4cats

    They are SO cute. Please don’t eat them!

  • Melanie

    Ha ha!!! Thanks for clearing up the whole male female thing. If that was you Labs I was gonna start following you and respond to every one of your posts Lol! Just kidding. Haven’t been on this site too long. For some reason I’m following Dori so anytime she posts something I get an email and of course I have to chime into the conversation.

  • Dori

    HEY! I’ve got a ton of laundry. Maybe today can be laundry day. You are seriously on to something BC. I bow down to you for this ingenious inspirational message. YES!!!!!! Laundry day it is and I can continue looking like a slob cause laundry and the girls don’t are what I look like.

  • LabsRawesome

    Ok ok here you go.

  • LabsRawesome

    Yep. I literally LMAO.

  • Dori

    I just now saw the butt on the floor. HAHAHA!

  • Dori

    I can’t imagine why. Isn’t purple hair in with the celebs now? And who would turn someone down with such white teeth. Maybe some braces might help. OH, I see you may need a little bonding on the uppers. After that, match.com, there you go. You’re gonna be a big hit, Labs just make that dental appt. and you’ll be just fine.

  • Dori

    Very funny story. Can’t help but laugh and visualize that mess. Yep, patio furniture was one of the things I figured would not work well with goats, again, not to mention the neighbors would freak out and you know there’s got to be a ton of regulations as to what you can and can’t have, blah, blah, blah, blah. They’d have me in court all day while the goats destroyed the patio cushions.

  • LabsRawesome

    Thank you! That is my match.com pic! I haven’t gotten any replies yet.

  • theBCnut

    I must say. Somehow I thought your hair would be different… Everything else is pretty much what I expected.

  • theBCnut

    Oh, I agree! It’s as bad as laundry. And if you don’t do the laundry, you can’t go to the store. Wait a minute, I think I’m on to something…

  • LabsRawesome

    Haha.

  • Debby Smith

    We need a real pic!

  • theBCnut

    It showed up. I had to leave the page and come back. I almost wet myself.

  • Dori

    YES! More pics from Labs!!!!! This may lighten my mood as I’ve got to leave the house and go to the grocery store. My most dreaded and hated activity. We just keep eating all the darned food I bring home and then I’ve got to do it all over again. There’s got to be a better way!

  • theBCnut

    Maybe it’s like avatars on the forum and will show up in due course.

  • Dori

    Yes Melanie, Labs is very much a female. And her first pic was quite a hottie.

  • LabsRawesome

    Weird. It’s showing on my screen.

  • theBCnut

    HaHa!!! The pic of you didn’t show up, unless you’re actually the invisible man.

  • theBCnut

    LMAO!! Goats love patios, especially if they have patio furniture on them. Someone I know let their yard get seriously overgrown and wanted to borrow a couple of my goats to eat it down. I tried to explain all the things the goats might do, but I guess they didn’t believe me. They thought the goats would spend all their time eating, never stopping to chew their cud, or go to the bathroom. Well, the goats immediately disabused them of that notion and I got a phone call to come get them within 2 or 3 hours of delivering them. I think it took them much longer than 2 or 3 hours to put their patio to rights again.

  • LabsRawesome

    Haha yes that is a pic of Thor. This is a pic of me.

  • theBCnut

    Since Labs is a mom, I hope she is female. One never can tell these days.

  • Debby Smith

    I know it was that pic, I tried to delete! Thanks for the compliment and for the giggle!

  • Melanie

    That is too funny. I need to figure the pic thing out so I can post my pups. They look a little freakie when they’re together. 85 lb lab and 5 lb Chi.

  • Melanie

    Ok I’m sorry. This whole thing was just too funny. Labs you look just like Thor. Debbie your picture is beautiful too. Just funny that it’s on DFA. Anyways, maybe that really is Labs picture. I assumed Labs was female for some reason but the name doesn’t really give it away. Really enjoyed your pictures

  • Dori

    Awww so darn cute. I love their names, especially Tapestry. So appropriate. Wish I lived somewhere with property that I could have goats and other animals. Just a small yard and patio here for me. Not to mention the neighbors and all the rules and regulations of living in city/suburbia areas. I love goats.

  • theBCnut

    Don’t forget dog/cat/goat/sheep obsessed people!!! I go tomorrow to pick up my sheep!!!

    Here’s my 2 newest goats. Michael and Tapestry.

  • theBCnut

    He is soooo cute!!! Are you using one of the 4Health recipes that Diamond makes or one that Ainsworth makes? No, I’m not a fan of Diamond. You know the old saying “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me” Well, I believed they fixed the problem, and everyone can have a recall, so I started using their food again. Then they had another recall. I believed them when they said they had cleaned up their act, so I started using their food again. Then they had another recall… You get the picture. I’m in the area that gets food from the Diamond plant that always has all the issues, which is their Gaston, SC plant. The company doesn’t see it as being a problem that that one plant has repeated issues and repairs their food handling equipment with duct tape and cardboard, which can’t be properly cleaned. I just can’t trust a company that has such a lackadaisical attitude about quality problems within their own company.

  • Dori

    Sorry, Debby. For some reason we all had the giggles that night. We weren’t trying to be insensitive and hope none of us hurt your feelings. By the way, your dog is precious. Have you told us anything about your dog or dogs yet? If so I haven’t found any posts on him/her/them. We love dogs here, love their pics and love to know all about them. You might say that most of us are a bit dog obsessed. Then we have some dog and cat obsessed folks here too. Glad to meet you and glad you’re here.

  • Crazy4cats

    I think I’ve seen that pup before. He’s really cute. You do realize that it was your very first post that we were snickering at? That is where you accidentally posted your glamour shot. It wasn’t your avatar that was making us giggle! But all that aside. Welcome aboard!

  • theBCnut

    Many of us have posted a picture or 6 that we didn’t mean to and found that we couldn’t get rid of it later. Sorry. I posted the same picture 3 or 4 times, because I couldn’t tell that it took the first time, or the second, or the third….

    I like that term, Tech Tard. I think I’ll adopt it.

  • DogFoodie

    No worries, Debby. I had a feeling that you were just trying to figure out how to make that your avatar, like you said. It’s a beautiful picture. Welcome to DFA! I’m glad you’ve joined us.

  • theBCnut

    I love your new avatar, and I really appreciate your sense of humor. You must be about my age, unless you were a child bride, and I’m not the oldest regular. But there are several younger folk about. We are mostly women, with a sprinkling of men added in for flavor, but we all love our dogs and want what’s best for them. Most of us rotate foods and most of us have tried quite a number of different foods looking for the ones our dogs do best on.
    I go to Chewy.com and find a few foods I want to try, order small bags, try each one and take notes on how the dogs did on them, and order a few more. I have a dog with food sensitivities, so I always make sure I have one food that I know he does great on, on hand while I try possible new foods on him.

  • Crazy4cats

    Thanks for being such a good sport! Congrats, you have been initiated! Lol!

  • Debby Smith

    He does look familiar????

  • Debby Smith

    Ok I can’t delete my pic! Sorry everyone I tried.

  • Debby Smith

    Thank you!

  • Debby Smith

    Ok I changed my profile pic but I can’t find my “glamour” shot to delete, any help appreciated

  • LabsRawesome

    No problem. We all had a good laugh. :)

  • Debby Smith

    Yes I just figured out you guys were making fun of me! My big girl pants are on!! I am Tech Tard but I will try to change my pic to my puppy and delete the “glamour” one. You all made me laugh thanks

  • Debby Smith

    Your cracking me up! It’s not a glamour shot but the match.com thing is too funny, I don’t even know who is male or female on here I just saw all the pics! Thanks for all the food ideas! And I’m happily married for 29 years and I’m sure way older than all of you!

  • Melanie

    Awe. So sweet.

  • Melanie

    Ok this is just hilarious! Labs u r HOT! Ha ha. I think I’ve seen you on the big screen before.

  • Crazy4cats

    Hee hee! I’m glad you addressed that. Honestly when I saw your big glamour shot, I wanted to tell you that this is dog food advisor, not match.com! Lol! I also feed my dogs Victor grain free regularly with canned and other assorted toppers in the evening. Hope this helps!

  • LabsRawesome

    Hahaha. Sorry, just having a little bit of fun with you! :) It’s a very nice picture. I rotate foods. I use several different brands. Victor is my all time favorite food. I also use Earthborn, Pure Balance, Nature’s Domain, Rachael Ray Zero Grain just to name a few. :) I feed several different canned foods as well. Pure Balance canned, Nature’s Domain canned, and 4health canned. I go through 2 cans per day with my 3 dogs.

  • Debby Smith

    Ok I’m not sure why my picture is on my post I was trying to do a profile pic, is that why you posted your pic? I’m a little slow!

  • Debby Smith

    What do you feed your dog?

  • Dori

    Well that means that the customer representative out right lied to me which makes it even more of a reason I wouldn’t use this company. Not that I would anyway but, whatever. Can’t believe she was such a smooth lier. Wow!

  • Dori

    Well, since I’ve never fed this food nor would I, I’m a commercial raw feeder as of three years ago I’m not even sure what made me jump into this thread other than my dislike of companies that are not forthcoming regardless of what their reasons may be so I think I’ll leave this conversation to people who do feed 4Health or Halo. Hope you all figure it out if it’s possible to figure out.

  • Dori

    I didn’t even think to ask about the location of the plant or anything because we’d been on the phone for awhile talking about their food and then dogs in general, the weather, funny stories, etc. so it never occurred to me that she was not telling the truth. As I said, she never even hesitated when I asked the question. I slipped it in during a long conversation of, oh by the way, where is Halo’s dog food made and her response was, oh no, no problem we make our own food, we manufacturer our own food. I said oh good and kept on talking. Jeesh!!!!!!!!!

  • Dori

    Wow, that’s crazy. She spent a while talking to me about their different foods, etc. and when I slipped in the question there was absolutely no hesitation on her part in telling me that they make their own food in their own plants. Foolish me, I fell for it.

  • GSDsForever

    Yeah . . . pretty much.

  • GSDsForever

    Love this picture! What a handsome & sweet looking puppy!!!

    Thank you for that — we love cute doggie pics around here.

    Just look at LabsRAwesome’s doggie pic too! I love looking at it every time I come to DFA, one of my absolute favorites. He always looks like he’s listening to the discussions and we’re talking to him directly.

  • Debby Smith

    So your not a fan of Diamond? I know the Costco brand was made by them and 100’s of reviews were bad and many dogs got sick a couple claimed their dog died from the food! So all of us who’s puppies in the litter stopped feeding them Costco puppy made by Diamond. Some of the litter mates got sick as soon as they switched they got better. They could of been allergic to something in it but with so many bad reviews and pleading with Costco to remove it idk? I switched and just this weekend I bought the 4health. My 7 month old Golden seems to like it
    Here is my baby boy Samson

  • DogFoodie

    I sent Halo an email today and asked them who actually made their wet and dry foods and put it in the can or bag and here’s an excerpt from their email response to me:

    “All of our foods are made in the US but we do not share the name or location of the plants that manufacture it. We have signed a confidentiality agreement with them and we do not disclose that information.”

  • GSDsForever

    With respect to DFA and all . . .

    I really think this thread needs to be moved to the Halo section, not fill up the whole 4Health page where people will be looking for information about 4Health dog food, made by Diamond and Ainsworth — to be fair to THIS food and those interested in it.

  • GSDsForever

    I spoke to Halo’s rep too, around the same time that Dori did, and mentioned this DFA thread.

    The answer I received was the same I’ve *always* received from Halo, which is that Halo cannot disclose this information as proprietary, subject to a confidentiality contract with the manufacturing facility/plant. As I said earlier, this makes sense to me as other competitor brands may be made there, etc.

    Halo has NEVER had a recall or quality/safety problems in the lengthy history of this food. Therefore, I am not concerned about not having this info. I trust Halo.

  • theBCnut

    Any time Diamond fixes a problem, you can count on it to only be a temporary fix, I.E. duct tape and cardboard used to fix food equipment.

  • DogFoodie

    I’m not quite sure I believe her because of their history of outward refusal to disclose their manufacturer. Did she give you any details about the plant, its location, etc.?

  • Dori

    When I saw it I thought, HUH? Didn’t quite get it and then when you posted your first pic I realized, okay, it wasn’t just me thinking that. It’s always pictures of the dogs so I didn’t get it but I have thoroughly enjoyed your pics. Glad you were in a silly mood, you gave me the giggles.

  • LabsRawesome

    Thanks Dori. When I saw the original post, I lol’d. Most people post a pic of their dog, that just really made me laugh for some reason. I guess I was just in a silly mood tonight. :)

  • Dori

    Okay, this is seriously the best one. Could be your avatar. Seriously, this is so cute, he’s a real doll. Oh, I just realized you’ve got your own real live Elf On A Shelf. Just think of all the places you could find him around the house. So funny. Thx for the laughs.

  • LabsRawesome

    Seriously. Last one.

  • Dori

    HAHAHAHA! This one’s the best so far.

  • LabsRawesome

    Dori, one more just for you! :)

  • Dori

    Again Labs, LOL!

  • Dori

    LOL!!!

  • LabsRawesome

    Oh, before I forget, I would also like to add this.

  • Crazy4cats

    Is that your new puppy? Very cute!

  • GSDsForever

    LOL at the photo response. Love it.

    Of course, I just got back from doggie walk and my girl says she likes her black lab mix boyfriend best. (She is so IN LOVE!)

  • LabsRawesome

    Yes, 4health is made by Diamond. Some of the Grain Free formulas are made by

  • aquariangt

    While it may be one of the better ones, I still disagree about a vegetarian diet being in dog food (as in, that shouldn’t be a thing) :)

  • GSDsForever

    My only issues re Halo’s veggie food are

    1)extremely high price for teeny tiny bags, no large bags, that I would think would cost less to make based on vegetarian ingredients, and

    2)I don’t understand a company making a type of diet that its spokesperson vet does not believe in.

    Personally, I have no problem with a vegetarian diet in theory, as a good & healthful one can be created. Someone can easily do a nutritionally complete homemade one, with eggs, cottage cheese, yogurt, etc. in particular, even non gmo tofu. (100% vegan would be harder, more restrictive.) Many vegetarians would also be comfortable ethics and health-wise with feeding a “near vegetarian” diet that also incorporates sardines, other wild caught small fish, or wild caught fish alternate days (feeding rotationally various protein sources).

    But most of the commercial vegetarian foods available, for whatever reason, are very poor, imo. Better off homemade.

    This actually looks like one of the better *commercial* vegetarian options among kibbles, if it weren’t so expensive and impractical for large dogs until they make large bags, available at reasonable prices.

  • aquariangt

    For some reason, I have a real issue with brands that make a vegetarian food, hah. I always bypass halo because of that (Natural Balance as well, but there are plenty of other reasons on top of it)

  • Dori

    Hi DogFood and everyone else involved in the Halo thread here on 4Health over the last day or so. I just got off the telephone with customer service at Halo Pet Foods (lovely customer service lady) who informed me that Halo owns and manufactures their own foods. No one makes it for them. I should have thought to call them yesterday. I know it used to be said that they wouldn’t tell anyone but I wonder if that was just info on line and if anyone thought to pick up the phone and call them. I’m more apt to call people than to send emails. Again, why it didn’t occur to me yesterday I haven’t got a clue.

  • GSDsForever

    Fix what problem?

    Diamond’s had a lot of quality & safety problems over many years, affecting many brands of dog food it manufactures.

    I would expect that to continue. . . .

  • Debby Smith

    Crap! Did they fix the problem?

  • GSDsForever

    Yes, she is and it is.

  • GSDsForever

    YW. Good luck. :-)

  • GSDsForever

    LOL. ((((Dori))))

  • GSDsForever

    And as far as the manufacturing plants, yes it is conceivable to me that the plant/co packer may want confidentiality by contract, for example perhaps for some brands being made there would not want to be associated with EACH OTHER.

    If I were making a food at a place that could make other foods and I couldn’t dictate those other foods, I don’t know that I’d want to be associated with another brand or brands I personally didn’t think well of. Whatever problems that happen with that brand could tar the image of my brand and hurt my business. Just another thought.

    Anyway, for the reasons already stated respecting quality of ingredients/sourcing & standards . . . as well as that Halo has NEVER had a recall, I would feel safe feeding and recommending the food.

  • GSDsForever

    I would have to see direct evidence that Halo ever said that they were made By Fromm to believe that.

    As far as transparency goes, other companies that will say where they are made often are NOT transparent about other things that matter to me & that I think factor into how much I shouuld be paying for a bag. For example, Champion (Orijen/Acana) includes farmed salmon in their foods and will not disclose what percentage is wild caught vs farmed.

    Other companies will tell me right down to the exact percentage. Champion heavily advertises the use of wild fish, but when you call will acknowledge that they use farmed too. So given their marketing of using fresh not frozen, I asked if they could confirm that they use all wild at certain times of the year during salmon season, or by batches of food. Nope. Do you know why I think they “don’t know”? It’s because they don’t want to know and release this information because it lowers the value of their product and flies in the face of much of their marketing referencing using wild fish and showing smiling happy fisherman with giant good looking fish implying that’s what goes into the dog food, that whole beautiful fish or its choice cuts (vs. leftovers that were originally thrown away by their supplier after everything else has been picked clean off the bones) and wild caught. I think much of their marketing is highly misleading actually. And that rubs me the wrong way.

  • Debby Smith

    So are you saying it is produced by Diamond?

  • Crazy4cats

    4Health is “their” brand. You can only find it at Del’s and Tractor Supply stores. Just like Kirkland is Costco’s brand and also is made by Diamond. Diamond manufactures several brands. It gets confusing keeping it all straight! :)

  • Debby Smith

    So is 4health made by Diamond? I bought mine at Dels a farma and feed store they said it was “their” brand

  • Dori

    OMG C4C! I don’t know what came over me this afternoon. I obviously got carried away with the topic. My apologies really. You’re absolutely correct in that it was a question to ponder. I think I may have pondered a bit too much. ☺️

  • Crazy4cats

    Wow, Dori, tell me what you really think. It was just a question to ponder. I was not insinuating that this is the case for Halo at all. In no way did I insinuate that you shouldn’t use your own guidelines when choosing a food. I surely don’t know how you got all of those accusations out of my simple question. Gee whiz!

  • Bobby dog

    GSD:
    The reasons you listed above are very valid points. I used to feel they were hiding something with the “it’s proprietary” response. I still choose not to feed a pet food if I cannot confirm who manufactures it, however I believe not sharing the name of the manufacturer is not as sinister as I once thought it to be.

  • Bobby dog

    Thanks GSD! I am only interested in their canned foods. I always forget to check Facebook for info! It’s difficult finding canned foods my cats will eat consistently other than kitty crack. They liked Halo so I will try your method and check out their blog and FB pages as well.

  • Dori

    NO I don’t! What’s in it for the manufacturer? Especially in the case of Halo where so many people like it, it’s sold at Whole Foods and people associate Ellen DeGeneres. And….were it to be true that the manufacturer didn’t care for the food they are manufacturing to be associated with them (that’s a whole different dialogue), they still can’t say it’s proprietary information. If it were true that it’s proprietary I would think that a number of companies that are associated with Diamond would use the “proprietary” excuse also. Anyway, that’s my take on this subject. As I’ve always said, we all should be feeding foods to our companion animals as we see fit. We all do the best we can. I just choose to do business with companies that are a bit more forthcoming than Halo.

  • GSDsForever

    Not Dori, but I do. Why not?

  • GSDsForever

    That has not been my experience — particularly when they’re verifying that it’s not being made at the following manufacturers’ facilities.

    And as far as what’s deemed proprietary, that could be lots of things and there could be valid reasons for it that have nothing to do with hurting customers or their dogs or scamming people.

    I just don’t have that level of bad faith/suspicion in companies that otherwise seem to be good, trustworthy companies making good foods. I am not in the industry and haven’t had conversations to explore in depth and potentially understand why they don’t want to share the information. As a general rule, I grant benefit of the doubt until I understand another person’s (or in this case, company’s) side of things.

    But I can *imagine* competitors, various liability and contractual concerns, concerns should they have to change facilities and someone holds them to having been made at the former place and not the new or vice versa, etc. Companies are tarred for years for having been once manufactured, sometimes very briefly, by a company they long ago severed ties with, as people continue to spread rumors that they are made there. And competitors DO try to copy formulas, processing, suppliers, etc. (and that includes via access at the plant/knowledge of the plant). Companies DO disparage the competition and say things that are not true about their competitors. And a manufacturing facility may also not want calls/inquiries and may likely not be authorized to speak about a a company’s food.

    At times I think it’s just the customer service people not being authorized or thinking they are not authorized to speak on the subject. That seems to be the case when I later get that information directly from the company or it has been published publicly by the company/CEO before.

    That was the case over the past few days with what seems like a fantastic company previously unknown to me.

  • GSDsForever

    Well, it’s on their own webpages (including blog) that they don’t do business with Diamond.

    From memory, when I asked them I listed a bunch of manufacturers, and Halo stated they were not made by any of them. I don’t recall all the ones I would have asked about at the time.

    I would have only asked about the dry foods though. So keep in mind there are fewer canneries in co packing and they could use one I don’t like, like Evangers (as Wild Callings does). I just don’t remember if they extended their answer to include cans, as I would not have asked about them.

  • Crazy4cats

    Do you think it could be possible that sometimes it is the manufacturer that does not want the company to disclose the information?

  • Dori

    Typically in my experience and opinion if a company refuses to disclose who manufactures their foods it’s because they already know that the consumers are not going to be pleased and will not buy their food because of the manufacturer they are using. It in no way is proprietary information as to who manufactures their food. We’re not asking for their secret percentage balancing and whatever ingredients, etc. We’re not asking for their precise formulas. We’re simply asking who manufactures their food. When so many companies are comfortable letting the public know who and where their foods are manufactured, I could not possibly purchase a food from a company that refuses to make that info known. There has to be some reason behind it and as far as I’m concerned it’s not gonna be a good one.

  • Bobby dog

    Funny, I am the same way unless they ask I just keep it moving. If the conversation naturally goes there I always like to discuss and offer any help or share my experiences if they ask.

  • Bobby dog

    GSD:
    I don’t feed Halo because of their “it’s proprietary” response as well. I also like the looks of some of their canned foods for my dog and cats. Do you happen to have a list of who they don’t do business with that you can share?

  • Bobby dog

    Interesting approach, I am going to try that going forward when a company replies with the “it’s proprietary.”

  • GSDsForever

    Thank you for this.

    As with the Halo mention, as a matter of politeness, I really do not give advice or comment on people’s choice of foods when they mention it in casual conversation unless they ask.

    I did recommend a nearby pet boutique, given the new puppy/new area, as a “neighborly” thing to do — as I’m from here and know the owner & staff at the store. They carry mostly better brands, will special order when possible, and price match.

  • GSDsForever

    Perhaps as more people ask and press Halo, and after the next major sweep of multi-brand or big brand recalls hits the news, Halo will decide to disclose this.

    They already adamantly disclose a variety of places where they are NOT made & companies with whom they have no business relationship.

  • GSDsForever

    Well, it’s the acquaintance who picked Halo.

    But honestly I would have no problems with Halo’s food or lack of trust in it. I think it’s a quality line of foods (Halo’s Spot’s Stew).

    IMO, they’ve shown high standards in ingredients standards, what they put in & what they leave out. They do have to care about quality & to pay higher costs for those ingredients. And I like their commitment to animal charities.

    I also would like to see companies disclose who manufactures the food & where it’s made. But there may be good reasons not to that I am not aware of and do not understand. When a company does not, I look at their track record for safety and quality standards to evaluate whether I can trust feeding the food.

    I will ask where they are NOT made, and list manufacturing plants/co packers who are bad news due to major recalls/repeat violations, because companies will often disclose this. I will ask whether the proprietary plant has AIB, EU certifications etc. I might inquire how closely things are controlled & monitored by the brand (vs co packer). I will ask how much control and involvement the manufacturing plant has — like do they source the ingredients or does the brand? Etc.

    It’s a judgment call. Personally, I think Halo is legit & trustworthy.

    It’s certainly one of the better choices someone can make shopping at Petsmart.