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  • in reply to: PLEASE HELP CHOOSING DRY FOOD #103640 Report Abuse
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    Linda C – Are you looking for a formula made in Canada or is USA OK?

    in reply to: Food Recommendation #103464 Report Abuse
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    Darion P, – While not specifically formulated for large breed puppies, FROMM’s Surf & Turf and Beef Frittata Veg recipes are formulated for all life stages and have a Calcium to Phosphorus ratio of 1.1-1 with only 2.9 grams of Calcium per kilogram of food (perfect for a large breed pup) In addition, FROMM uses only high quality ingredients NEVER sourced from China, no artificial colors, flavors, toxic preservatives or generic or rendered meats.

    Perhaps you have already read these, if not, it would likely be worth your time. – https://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/best-dog-foods/best-large-breed-puppy-food/https://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/red-flag-ingredients/dog-food-preservatives/https://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/choosing-dog-food/dog-food-meat-content/

    Good luck with your new pup!

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    Hello pitluv – While it it true that we cannot tell the quality of the meats used by simply reading an ingredient label, we do know that there are companies that never use generic by-products, animal digests, meat and bone meals, artificial coloring, artificial flavoring, ingredients sourced from China, menadione sodium bisulfite complex, toxic preservatives such as BHA, BHT, TBHQ and Ethoxyquin,, and those that do.
    For example, these are the ingredients in Purina’s Alpo brand Prime Cuts Savory Beef Flavor – Ground Yellow Corn, Meat and Bone Meal, Soybean Meal, Beef Tallow Preserved with Mixed-Tocopherols, Corn Gluten Meal, Egg and Chicken Flavor, Poultry and Pork Digest, Salt, Potassium Chloride, Choline Chloride, Red 40, Zinc Sulfate, Ferrous Sulfate, Vitamin E Supplement, L-Lysine Monohydrochloride, Yellow 5, Manganese Sulfate, Blue 2, Niacin, Vitamin A Supplement, Copper Sulfate, Calcium Pantothenate, Thiamine Mononitrate (Vitamin B-1), Garlic Oil, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B-6), Vitamin B-12 Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement (Vitamin B-2), Vitamin D-3 Supplement, Calcium Iodate, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (Source of Vitamin K Activity), Folic Acid, Biotin, Sodium Selenite. I-5020.

    It would stand to reason that a company that avoids the above low-quality ingredients would likely be using higher quality meats in their formulations, in fact, there are brands such as ORIJEN that use “human grade ingredients” – “The fresh meats, meat meals and fat ingredients we use are produced exclusively from animals that have been deemed as fit for human consumption, and are produced in category 3 facilities (human grade facilities, no flushing, and no 4-D animal parts permitted on premises). All fruits and vegetables used in ORIJEN foods are also passed as fit for human consumption.” -https://www.orijen.ca/faq/#fresh_regional_ingredients

    In any case, I am glad to read that all your animals are doing well.

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    Is this the formulation you are referring to? – https://www.proplan.com/dogs/products/focus-puppy-large-breed-chicken-rice-formula#ingredientsandguaranteedanalysis
    Within the first 11 ingredients there are 4 grains and 3 generic meat ingredients (4 if you count fish meal) which, as we know are very low quality. -https://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/choosing-dog-food/dog-food-meat-content The Pro Plan seems to be Purina’s top tier food as the formulations go down hill from there. This formulation for Purina’s Dog Chow Large Dog is even worse and includes artificial colors – https://dogchow.com/en/dog-food/large-breed
    It certainly makes me wonder if the reason for conducting those feeding trials is to ascertain how low they can go in quality while not creating immediate health problems for the unfortunate animals in the trials?

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    pitluv – I concur, it is frustrating. I have found quality formulations that fall withing the accepted parameters, but they aren’t specifically marketed for Large Breed Puppies. Fromm’s Surf and Turf and Beef Frittata Veg (both rated for all life stages) have 2.9 grams of Calcium per kilogram with a Calcium Phosphorus ratio of 1.1-1

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    Pitluv that is my plan. My Problem is finding appropriate formulations of kibble. Many so-called kibble for Large Breed dogs seem to have too much calcium. The ratio is within the guidelines but the grams of calcium per kilogram of food can be quite high. Example – Wellness Complete Health Large Breed Puppy has 3.7 grams calcium MINIMUM.

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    Thank you for your reply pitluv. I have read that some consider Labradors to be puppies until 18-24 months old, my pup is 14 months. If that is the case, I am wondering if the calcium issue should still be a concern for me?

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