My vet thinks that my dog may have IBD. She was treated with steroids and antibiotics earlier this year and worked for about one month after tteatment stopped. This time we are trying Purina EN (wet) and Fortiflora. She was previously on dry food. 2 days into treatment and my dogs diarrhea is worst,complete liquid. I will be seeing the vet again tomorrow. Has anyone experience this or have any suggestions? I would really appreciate advice.
I don’t know if this will help you, but I will share it anyway. My friend had a dog with this condition. His vet did the same as your vet is doing. However, the owner found out it was a chicken allergy. He bought Natures Instinct limited ingredient diet of lamb and he never had a problem again. Now I don’t know if it will help your dog, but you can this food a try. It has an ingredient in there call Montrolle clay, sorry I can’t spell it but anyway they say it can help with IBD. Check chewy out and read the reviews. Other than that try cooking for the dog. Either boil ground meat and rice or chicken and rice. If the Rx diet is not working than do this. See if the cooked diet for a few days will work. If it does great, than you can add a very little of the dog food I mentioned and see what happens. I know some on here may say to go to a specialist. If you can afford it go but ask about food intolerance and allergies. What dog food was your dog on begore?? Look at the ingredients in it and let me know. I hope you can get this under control. Also by cooking you will know if she may have a allergy. If chicken and rice don’t work than try beef and rice. And please drain all the fat when boiling ground beef. Oh and only use white rice, do not use brown rice! White rice will be best for this condition. P.S. you said “RX diet may have made it worse”? There maybe something in the Purina that is not tolerated. I have a feeling your dog may do well on the cooking method I mentioned to get him back on track.
I also forgot to mention, if you cook the ground meat and rice. make sure it is 2 parts rice to 1 part meat. Right now he needs more rice in the ratio. I am very familiar with this condition. I have friends that had dogs like this and sometimes simple like cooking for a few days does the trick. Also please let me know what dog food your dog was on.
Sorry, I just saw your response. She was on Royal Cainin for years,I switched a couple of months ago to Ultra-chicken. I thought the royal was possibly the cause of her stomach issues. So I did get a week of antibiotics from the doctor, along with some Pro-pectalin. Her stools formed but remained soft,however to accidents in the house. Now 2 days post completing medication and diarrhea is back,non formed and accidents in the house. There is still mucus present in the stool. I feel hopeless at this point. She has never had duck (never) or lamb alone. Possible allergy to the following: chicken,eggs,beef,wheat,bran. Both goods had those ingredients.
I doubt the Purina EN is going to help. Her stools were not liquid on kibble. I am sure the vet wanted her system to rest,thus giving the wet food.
I am thinking about limited ingredients by Koha. It is very expensive. I have spent at least 400 on visits, food,medication since January.
My dog is itchy but vets have said she is just an itchy dog. It could be allergies. That is the reason I had started Royal Cainin (shih Tzu).
Some articles say high fiber is best and others say low fiber foods are best.
“My dog is itchy but vets have said she is just an itchy dog. It could be allergies”.
Ask your vet for a referral to an internal medicine specialist or a veterinary dermatologist.
Her issues may have nothing to do with the food.
Pinky, as far as fiber goes, it really depends on the dog. Some dogs with this condition do better with low fiber and some do better with high fiber. From my experience I would go with low fiber first. To much Fiber sometimes can irritate the intestines, which will cause more stool output. Use the recipe I mentioned previously for the cooked diet. White rice with ground meat or chicken.
Pinky, did you noticed this started with the Ultra chicken formula? When you started the meds did you still give the dry food? Don’t give any dry food until you see a solid stool. Give the homemade I mentioned. When you see a solid stool for a few days than give the new dry slowly, which ever one you choose. The system needs a rest from dry food for a few days. Mucus sometimes means a food intolerance or an irritation. I would stay away from the Ultra chicken formula you were using. I feel bad for you and the dog, I am trying my best to give you the best advice I know. I hope your dog gets better. Please let me know how it turns out.
Pinky, I just read the ingredients on the Purina EN wet food, it contains chicken, I am thinking chicken is not working for your dog. It is usually ,but not always, the protein that is a problem. I know I said cook chicken and rice, but I would just do ground beef and rice. IF the dogs stools gets better you got part of your answer. I had to do this for my dog. I found chicken was a problem. My human Dr. told me to cook for him to find out what protein he was not tolerating. The reason he told me that is b/c you are using only 2 ingredients. And white rice us usually tolerated by many dogs, plus settles the stomach.
Thank you! I stopped the Purina EN,it obviously isn’t working. I purchased a can of the Natures Instinct – lamb. She ate it yesterday and had a mostly formed BM this morning,moderate mucus.
She was on Royal Cainin for years and then started having problems. She developed small amounts of blood in the stool ,about 3 times and then she started having small amounts of mucus. Bascially her BM changed. She then started throwing up,however the vomit was barrel shaped and solid. She would retch before it happened so, vs regurgitation.
I stopped the Royal Canin after the first vet visit, she never really liked that food and I suspected that it was the problem.
I’ve compared all three foods. Rice and chicken are common ingredients. You are correct that chicken is the probably cause. It could also be the grains. I noticed that she hasn’t scratched much since yesterday.
I am shocked that for years I have belived what the vets said about her scratching. I’ve wasted money on office visits for this reason. She would scratch (constantly) but never to the point of injuring her skin.
I am disappointed in myself at not catching on to a possible food allergy sooner,even when the EN was perscribed. Its not even grain free!
I will start the ground meat and rice tomorrow. Any specific type of grpund?
I forgot to add that after the first round of antibiotics and steroids the vomiting resolved. She did vomit twice last month and then nothing. The diarrhea is what continues. There also hasn’t been any blood in the stool.
Antibiotics and steroids are often prescribed for environmental allergies and other ailments. It’s a band aid fix. You are not getting to the root of the problem.
The first step would be to get an accurate diagnosis via an internal medicine specialist or a veterinary dermatologist, whatever your vet thinks might be the most helpful.
PS: Hope this helps http://skeptvet.com/Blog/?s=food+allergies
How long did you try the prescription food for? Did you contact the vet to let him know of your concerns?
Maybe more diagnostic testing is indicated? See what the treating vet advises, not the internet.
How old is the dog? Has she had annual checkups? How did her last lab values look? Blood work is a good diagnostic tool.
The prescription food was a trial, 14 days. The food made her stomach cramp and cause diarrhea that was worst. She had complete liquid stools. I did inform the vet and antibiotics and pro pectalin. It worked until 2 days post completing the medication. The diarrhea and liquid stools returned. So the medication gave a pseudo response. That food was not the best option and it made her situation worst. If the meds has not been given she would have continued with diarrhea.
The antibiotics and steroids were perscribed before for possible bacterial infection and inflammation to the GI. She has only been treated for almost 6 months not a year.
I think a specialist would be great, however I do not have specialist money at this time. I have taken professional advice. I want pet parents advice also.
By taking advice from the ” internet ” I have possibly realized the issue. I thank you for your advice,thats why I posted on this forum. I will read the link that you provided.
She is due to return to the vet this week when the trial food was ending. Labs will be done. Yes,she goes to the vet yearly,plus. I will bring my dog to the vet if anything is different about her.
Hi Pinky, I am glad that your dog seems to be doing okay on the Instinct lamb food. As far as the ground meat I would get 85% lean ground beef, boil it and drain it, that way you are draining the fat out. You will probably find it will work. If it does and her system seems to be getting better, start adding dog food a little at a time. I don’t know if you are considering dry food, but if you do try the Natures Instinct lamb limited ingredient. Hopefully it will work out. Do this before you spend any more money on the vet. If this doesn’t work than go back to the vet. But I am almost certain that this will work. Let me know how you make out.
Sometimes Pinkly, if it is a food intolerance or allergy only you can find out, the vet won’t know because you are the one who feeds the dog and being observant can help a lot. Other than that blood work can determine and allergy but I don’t think it can find a food intolerance. Food intolerance is trail and error. Well I feel you are getting some where, you know chicken is a problem, one step in the right direction.
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I have a dog that has had frequent issues with recurring diarrhea, vomiting, mucus stools, etc. I would just say after that long bout of diarrhea a lot of foods will be irritating right now, even the foods that normally she might do really well on. I can’t tell exactly from your post if you did the ground meat or how long, but it is good to do the ground meat diet 2-3 days and then slowly introduce some other foods.
After feeding my dog ground turkey a couple of days his diarrhea disappears and his bowels are much smaller and less frequent. When I then start to add other foods, it is easy to see if they are agreeable or not if he has reaction, like loose bowel or rumbling/gurgling stomach.
I have had great results for my sensitive dog with Stella&Chewys, health extension cans of wet, Carna4 dry. I also order cooked food from Evermore. If you have to feed a dry due to work/schedule, check out Carna4, it is pretty incredible. I first start feeding it a few months ago, changing nothing else in my dogs diet. As he has transitioned to it fully, his BM is so much smaller and compact, which from what I read is considered healthy.
Try to be as preventative as possible. If I notice a loose bowel or lots of trips outside I immediately start feeding ground meat, before the dog gets to a stage of vomiting with the diarrhea. It seems like at a certain point a vet trip is unavoidable, so I try to not let him get to that stage. My dog had several vet trips with antibiotics the first year to second year I had him, and the antibiotics are not helpful long term. Since I have starting watching more closely and acting quickly he has done so well. I think he has vomited1-2 times in the past 3 years, which is amazing considering how frequent it was the first year I had him.
My dog also has a reaction to his heartworm med, which is monthly for him, something for you to think about. You might record when he gets different meds for what and see if there is any physical effects for the couple of days following.
My dog had alot of these issues. I found it was the chicken in processed food. He is now doing well on a barf raw diet. His stools used to be loose, diarrohea, gas..it was terrible. I noticed when i fed chicken he had red rashes and found it was this. its usually mixed with rice in alot of processed food. also i found by sorting gut PH levels things changed. So beefbone broth dosing for a few weeks, organic turmericpaste, coconut oil, kefir,barf diet, dandelion and nettle pureed, raw eggs. Once the stomach is at a healthy ph gut level everythings sorts its self. My pup is totally clear now 🙂
My PWD has lived with IBD for 14 years. I feed her high quality salmon Kasichs and Weruva tuna, with Petcurean fish. I add fortaflora and often an 1/8 teaspoon of Tylan split between her two meals. All grain free. She maintains and is healthy for 14. Never steroids. One protein source is good that is tolerated. When she has an issue, from stress of grooming or eating something outside on our walks that I do not catch and remove, a 1/4 Metroniazol each day for a day or two resets her digestive system.
Pinky, I want to say keep it simple, don’t use any herbs or stuff like that right now, just do blain diet first.
Have you tried adding some probiotics or enzymes to her diet? There are some really good products for IBD/dog diarrhea/digestive issues. One of my dogs had a crazy bout of diarrhea that lasted for almost three months. He didn’t have any allergies, so we didn’t need to change the protein in his diet. It took time, but by adding supplements we were able to normalize his stool.
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