Ol’ Roy Dog Food (Dry)


Rating: ★☆☆☆☆

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Ol’ Roy Dog Food receives the Advisor’s lowest rating of 1 star.

The Ol’ Roy product line includes nine dry dog foods.

Each recipe below includes its related AAFCO nutrient profile when available on the product’s official webpage: Growth, Maintenance, All Life Stages, Supplemental or Unspecified.

  • Ol’ Roy Small Breed [A]
  • Ol’ Roy Bacon Flavor [M]
  • Ol’ Roy Puppy Complete [A]
  • Ol’ Roy High Performance [A]
  • Ol’ Roy Complete Nutrition [A]
  • Ol’ Roy Cheeseburger Flavor [A]
  • Ol’ Roy Meaty Chunks and Gravy [M]
  • Ol’ Roy Kibble, Chunks and Chews [A]
  • Ol’ Roy T-Bone and Chicken Flavor [M]

Ol’ Roy Complete Nutrition was selected to represent the other products in the line for this review.

Ol' Roy Complete Nutrition

Dry Dog Food

Estimated Dry Matter Nutrient Content

Protein = 24% | Fat = 11% | Carbs = 57%

Ingredients: Ground yellow corn, meat and bone meal, soybean meal, animal fat (preserved with BHA and citric acid), corn gluten meal, natural flavor, brewers rice, salt, potassium chloride, choline chloride, zinc sulfate, vitamin E supplement, ferrous sulfate, yellow #5, zinc oxide, yellow #6, red #40, blue #2, niacin, copper sulfate, vitamin A supplement, biotin, manganous oxide, d-calcium pantothenate, vitamin B12 supplement, thiamine mononitrate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of vitamin K activity), riboflavin supplement, sodium selenite, calcium iodate, folic acid, vitamin D3 supplement, cobalt carbonate

Fiber (estimated dry matter content) = 5.1%

Red items indicate controversial ingredients

Estimated Nutrient Content
Guaranteed Analysis21%10%NA
Dry Matter Basis24%11%57%
Calorie Weighted Basis22%26%52%
Protein = 22% | Fat = 26% | Carbs = 52%

The first ingredient in this dog food is corn. Corn is an inexpensive and controversial cereal grain. And aside from its energy content, this grain is of only modest nutritional value to a dog.

For this reason, we do not consider corn a preferred component in any dog food.

The second ingredient is meat and bone meal, a dry “rendered product from mammal tissues, including bone, exclusive of any added blood, hair, hoof, horn, hide trimmings, manure, stomach and rumen contents”.2

Meat and bone meal can have a lower digestibility than most other meat meals.

Scientists believe this decreased absorption may be due to the ingredient’s higher ash and lower essential amino acid content.3

What’s worse, this particular item is anonymous. So, the meat itself can come from any combination of cattle, pigs, sheep or goats — which can make identifying specific food allergens impossible.

Even though meat and bone meals are still considered protein-rich meat concentrates, we do not consider a generic ingredient like this to be a quality item.

The third ingredient is soybean meal, a by-product of soybean oil production more commonly found in farm animal feeds.

Although soybean meal contains 48% protein, this ingredient would be expected to have a lower biological value than meat.

And less costly plant-based products like this can notably boost the total protein reported on the label — a factor that must be considered when judging the actual meat content of this dog food.

The fourth ingredient is animal fat. Animal fat is a generic by-product of rendering, the same high-temperature process used to make meat meals.

Since there’s no mention of a specific animal, this item could come from almost anywhere: roadkill, spoiled supermarket meat, dead, diseased or dying cattle — even euthanized pets.

For this reason, we do not consider generic animal fat a quality ingredient.

What’s worse, this fat is preserved with BHA, a suspected cancer-causing agent.

The fifth ingredient is corn gluten meal. Gluten is the rubbery residue remaining once corn has had most of its starchy carbohydrate washed out of it.

Although corn gluten meal contains 60% protein, this ingredient would be expected to have a lower biological value than meat.

And less costly plant-based products like this can notably boost the total protein reported on the label — a factor that must be considered when judging the actual meat content of this dog food.

After the natural flavor, we find brewers rice. Brewers rice is a cereal grain by-product consisting of the small fragments left over after milling whole rice. Aside from the caloric energy it contains, this item is of only modest nutritional value to a dog.

The eighth ingredient is salt (also known as sodium chloride). Salt is a common additive in many dog foods. That’s because sodium is a necessary mineral for all animals — including humans.

However, since the actual amount of salt added to this recipe isn’t disclosed on the list of ingredients, it’s impossible to judge the nutritional value of this item.

From here, the list goes on to include a number of other items.

But to be realistic, ingredients located this far down the list (other than nutritional supplements) are not likely to affect the overall rating of this product.

With four notable exceptions

First, we’re always disappointed to find artificial coloring in any pet food. That’s because coloring is used to make the product more appealing to humans — not your dog. After all, do you really think your dog cares what color his kibble is?

Next, we find no mention of probiotics, friendly bacteria applied to the surface of the kibble after processing to help with digestion.

In addition, the minerals listed here do not appear to be chelated. And that can make them more difficult to absorb. Non-chelated minerals are usually associated with lower quality dog foods.

And lastly, this recipe also contains menadione, a controversial form of vitamin K linked to liver toxicity, allergies and the abnormal break-down of red blood cells.

Since vitamin K isn’t required by AAFCO in either of its dog food nutrient profiles, we question the use of this substance in any canine formulation.

Ol’ Roy Dog Food
The Bottom Line

Judging by its ingredients alone, Ol’ Roy looks like a below-average dry product.

But ingredient quality by itself cannot tell the whole story. We still need to estimate the product’s meat content before determining a final rating.

The dashboard displays a dry matter protein reading of 24%, a fat level of 11% and estimated carbohydrates of about 57%.

As a group, the brand features an average protein content of 25% and a mean fat level of 11%. Together, these figures suggest a carbohydrate content of 56% for the overall product line.

And a fat-to-protein ratio of about 45%.

Below-average protein. Below-average fat. And above-average carbs when compared to a typical dry dog food.

When you consider the protein-boosting effect of the soybean and corn gluten meals, this looks like the profile of a kibble containing a modest amount of meat.

Bottom line?

Ol’ Roy is a plant-based dry dog food using a modest amount of meat and bone meal or poultry by-product meal as its main sources of animal protein, thus earning the brand 1 star.

Not recommended.

Please note certain recipes are sometimes given a higher or lower rating based upon our estimate of their total meat content and (when appropriate) their fat-to-protein ratios.

Special Alert

Because we’re unable to locate a company operated website that offers complete product information, we’re compelled to rely on photos collected by volunteers at various retail locations.

So, information manually copied from these images and used for analysis can lead to data entry errors, incomplete product listings and inaccurate nutrient averages.

In addition, recipe changes and ingredient substitutions may not be apparent to our research staff or consumers.

For these reasons, we recommend shoppers use caution when considering the purchase of any dog food listed in this review.

Ol’ Roy Dog Food
Recall History

The following list (if present) includes all dog food recalls since 2009 directly related to this product line. If there are no recalls listed in this section, we have not yet reported any events.

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Notes and Updates

09/01/2017 Last Update

  1. “Last Update” field at the end of this review reflects the last time we attempted to visit this product’s website. The current review itself was last updated 8/28/2014
  2. Association of American Feed Control Officials, 2008 Edition
  3. Shirley RB and Parsons CM, Effect of Ash Content on Protein Quality of Meat and Bone Meal, Department of Animal Sciences, University of Illinois, Poultry Science, 2001 80: 626-632
  • Pitlove

    Lets say her Rottweiler is the size of mine at 135lbs…if we use the dog food calculator on this site and select “senior neutered, or inactive” he would be eating 5.15 cups of Purina ONE per day. Now if we use the same values for Organix, but change the kcals the calculator suggests 5.56 cups per day. So in fact she should be feeding slightly more Organix than Purina ONE. Not enough to make such a significant difference however. But should certainly not be feeding less. Now if the dog is overweight thats another story, but she should have been shown a weight control food designed for weight loss.

    As for your cousin’s Lab, a food with 352 kcals for a 70lb “senior, neutered and inactive” dog would yield 3.43 cups per day and if eating Purina ONE he would eat 3.15 cups per day. So again eating less on Purina ONE.

    Now obviously, daily energy expenditure, metabolism and activity level will alter those feeding guidelines, however if the dog was more active it would require more cups per day to meet energy requirements. So you can see where your assessment that perceived quality of food impacts how many cups of food consumed is flawed.

    The highest energy density grocery store brand will still require less to be fed when compared to the lowest energy density “higher end” food.

  • Daniel

    Which facts? How has Old Roy been proven to be nutritious? I’d like to see some sources.

    “It’s a free country.” What does that have to do with anything?

  • haleycookie

    Actually no, the woman had her Rottweiler on purina one smart blend and was feeding him the 34lbs bags every two weeks. The kcal for that is actually more (383) than the one she switched him to, which is organix salmon and peas (355). Now she comes in every three and a half to four weeks and buys a 24 lbs bag and has noted the improvement in her dog and how she doesn’t have to keep feed him as much as she did with the purina one. Also my cousin’s labs food is 352 kcal a cup he’s in excellent shape at 70 lbs. and 3 cups a day, purina one would recommend he get 4 ish cups a day. I also can’t seem to even find the kcal anywhere for ol Roy. Apparently it’s not even on the bag.

  • Pitlove

    Hi Haley-

    Perceived quality of a food does not dictate how much the dog has to eat to meet his daily energy requirement. The calories per cup of the food does. Ol’Roy is I believe under 300 kcals/cup which is why your customer was feeding more. Switching them to a higher calorie food allowed them to feed less.

  • haleycookie

    Yes because every Walmart brand on here is rated low and because obviously the authors hate Walmart. Lolol. No this is rated low because of the garabage ingredients. Another Walmart brand called pure balance is rated 4 stars here. A much better food because the ingredients are actually somewhat nutritious. You should check it out.
    Also according to this food a 70 lbs dog should get 5 cups a day lol. My cousin’s 70 lab gets 3 cups a day of excellent quality food. 30 lbs bag last a month. I bet this 50 lbs bag would only last 2 weeks maybe. Also had a rottie customer switch from a garbage food like this. Was going though 70 lbs of food a month and when she switched to a high quality food she was only going through about 24 lbs every month. The proof it there you just have to no be oblivious and uncaring to see it

  • StuMarksez

    Obvious campaign against Walmart. The facts show that Old Roy is a PROVEN nutritious and affordable dog food that constantly and reliably provides top results in serious breeds. We have Cockers and Terriers. Never an issue and they are beautiful and happy dogs. They have all of the required info on the package and have for years. Snobs who will not buy Old Roy because its a Walmart brand subjugate themselves to over priced food. It’s a free country.

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  • The Imp

    Someone gave me a (50 LB ) bag they had delivered in error. After I read the reviews I took it out of my house. I guess Wal Mart is just giving it away !

  • Veronika

    To be honest it looks like prison mush in movies haha, those foods they have on organic bone now that looks truly appetising, this compared to that is very very poor.

    But then what would anyone expect from these cheapo brands luxury?

  • Susan

    The tub on the right looks grey & has maggots..the tub on the left looks like egg or cheese, these do not look like dog food should look..

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  • Pitlove

    Hi Marlene-

    How gross! Make sure to bring that product back for a refund! Not only does Walmart in general need to know, but that specific store as they could be storing their food improperly. Hopefully the store manager will want to investigate how the product is being kept.

  • Marlene Hanson

    Thx for info. I sent a picture to customer service and have filed a complaint. I will check out the brands you mentioned

  • Susan

    Hi photos? email Photo’s to the Ol’roy pet food company & post on their face Book page to warn other pet owners, this is the best way is to expose them, they will just push it under the carpet like all the other complaints they probably get….
    4health has good wet tin food at good prices so does Costco they sell Kirkland Signature Nature’s Domain wet tin, the N.D Turkey & Pea Stew looked beautiful a lady called Crazy4aats posted a photo of the Turkey & Pea Stew look on the “Kirkland Signature Nature Domain Canned Dog Food” section…

  • Marlene Hanson

    Marn: just opened a package of ole roy 100 gm wet dog food. It was full of maggots. Maggots have multipled ten fold in last two hours. Disgusting. Will not buy any ole roy product ever again.

  • Cindy Wisman

    If the chicken is good quality, why do they need to add “chicken flavor”?

  • Cindy Wisman

    Please show a picture of the ingredient panel

  • disqus_SBl7sCuYS7

    Keep an eye on the dog, I would take her to the vet to get checked out.
    Idiopathic seizures (epilepsy) can occur at any age, usually young adult, and have nothing to do with food. There is a genetic component.
    If the seizures occur more than once a month or are severe, medication is recommended and is often very effective as treatment.

  • Jodi Butler

    I gave my shihtzu an ole Roy biscuit that my mom brought up and an hour after eating it she threw up and then had a small seizure this never happened before or again so ole Roy is on my list to never enter my dogs mouths again

  • I Dont know

    I just found a big chunk of mold with ol Roy dog food and maggots in my bag of dog food. Larger than a golf ball! Wow I want my money back… Every dollar I ever spent on this brand of dog food!!! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/136d6ba0b192e80d4dc45363c0b866e39cb4a5a5953e129309eb3f37146f7042.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6da687a7249fc6ffea19292a48dae1f5b766861a641f3129a8ee5f728f7f5e35.jpg

  • Vichu Wright

    They have to list the main ingredient ( as in the most of and ingredient/largest amount of any ingredient. As the first on the label. If corn is listed first that means than there is more corn that any other ingredient and so on

  • Vichu Wright

    You are truly confused. I worked in a family animal hospital and was in charge of all supplies and meds. Cheaper is not always of lessor quality. I recall dispensing a bottle of liquid antibiotics for a puppy cost $6.00, however that same bottle for my granddaughter cost $36.00. The FDA controls the manufacturing of all meds some are processed in the same vats. Same company. I have 30 plus working in the animal/med field

  • Vichu Wright

    I have fed Old Roy High Performance for years to several large breed dog. Never any health problems and My dogs always look wonderful. My present large breed is absolutely beautiful and I get comments often as to so. Please compare!!!! the first ingredient is meat. Same as purina

  • Svastry

    Ol’Roy is Walmart’s brand. Walmart started this brand. The guy that owns Walmart his last name is Ol’Roy hence the dog food name. If Walmart made it its obvious JUNK!

  • majik

    Last I checked It does here in Canada too – unless that’s changed I don’t know what he’s going on about

  • Pete miller Jr.

    Uhhh… Sam walton has been dead for many years… Around about the time walmart became a corporate monster out to destroy the world

  • bojangles


  • bojangles

    Hi Mike

    I never said anything about a recipe change.

    If you hadn’t deleted my comment everyone would see that you’re a liar.

    Shame on you.

  • Bojangles,

    Guaranteed Analysis missing for selected example (Ol’ Roy Complete Nutrition) as well as ingredients lists missing from many other recipes.

  • bojangles

    “Special Alert
    Because we’re unable to locate a company operated website that offers complete product information, we’re compelled to rely on photos collected by volunteers at various retail locations.”

    The ingredient list for this food has been available on the company’s (Wal-Mart) website since at least 2015.

    The ingredient list posted on DFA on 03/01/2016 was wrong at the time it was posted. Here is a link that shows the ingredient list on 4-2-2015. It has not changed to this day.



    Ingredients: Ground Yellow Corn, Meat And Bone Meal, Soybean Meal, Poultry By-Product Meal, Animal Fat (Preserved With BHA And Citric Acid), Corn Gluten Meal, Natural Flavor, Brewers Rice, Salt, Potassium Chloride, Color Added (Titanium Dioxide, Yellow #5, Yellow #6, Red #40, Blue #2), Choline Chloride, Zinc Sulfate, Vitamin E Supplement, Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Niacin, Copper Sulfate, Vitamin A Supplement, Biotin, Manganous Oxide, Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Thiamine Mononitrate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (Source of Vitamin K), Riboflavin Supplement, Sodium Selenite, Calcium Iodate, Folic Acid, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Cobalt Carbonate.

    Hope this helps 😉

  • ShariPDX

    Old Roy was the old man Walton’s hunting dog.

  • Amateria

    Yeah I can agree with you on the price that’s for sure and of course that disaster I linked that was $123 I think it was for 6-6.5kg? I mean anyone who doesn’t think that’s crazy is I don’t know but how can you look at that number and think it’s ok?

    Or the guy who wrote that the $175 bag of Royal is actually a good price, when Blackhawk for the same bag is like almost half the price…

    Ok so I did a quick check up, cause 1:30am tired as hell and not remembering things very well.
    The $175 bag is 14kg and Blackhawk is 20kg for $100 so yeah nuff said.

    If the $123 bag was on par with Orijen I’d say that maybe the price could be worse, but it’s nowhere near Orijen, closer to beneful and all those than Orijen lol, why anyone would think that a $123 price is acceptable for such a tiny bag is beyond me and I feel for anyone who actually buys it, because ugh!

  • mahoraner

    Lol, I still can’t think of any other reason that they’d give it a name that random.
    Maybe walmart ceo’s dog was named Roy?
    But I don’t see why a rich ceo would feed his dog this (literal) garbage.
    Seriously, I can’t spot 1 ingredient that isn’t a filler,cheap grain, artificial, anonomyously sourced, or a chemical

    And even though royal cabin is terrible, AtLeast there’s a few (even if it’s only 2) ingredients that aren’t so bad in it, (even something as minor as fish oil or chicken fat,) personally it’s more about the price for what you get that bugs me about royal canin.

  • Amateria

    The one on the right looks sickly, like it has some type of disease that’s disgusting eww!
    Just looking at that I wouldn’t feed it, something is clearly wrong with that its plain to see.

  • Amateria

    Never saw this comment, the last part of it is hilarious though, never know I guess.

  • Tim Templeton

    We’ve been buying the Ol’ Roy soft chicken food for years, and it looks like they just changed the formula. Our 4-yr old Cairn/Westie is now itching himself excessively. I called Walmart and gave them a report. You can see from the photo below that something is different. Anything expiring 2017 and sooner seems fine – the bad ones are the 2018 expiration dates. They alone know what they did – wish there was some way to get them to acknowledge and fix this.


    My dog is just now is not well after years on this food .. did not realize it was this bad for him

  • Crazy4dogs

    Nicely done!

  • Cannoli

    excellent reply. human nutrition changs all the time. in the 80s it was a low protein high carb diet. i got really fat eating tons of pasta. ha

  • theBCnut

    Think of kibble as being a cereal bar, complete and balanced. Which cereal bar would you be ok with eating day in and day out for a life time and actually believe you had gotten everything you needed. The science of human nutrition changes all the time. That means we don’t know everything we need to know about human nutrition. We know a lot less about canine nutrition than human nutrition. There is no kibble, no commercial food of any kind that I believe is perfect. When has man ever made anything that was perfect. So I rotate through different brands and different kinds of food, as well as feeding homemade, to make sure my dogs get as much variety as I can.

  • ShepAussie

    Why do you not trust any food to be the only food for your dogs to be eating for a longer period of time?

  • Azul

    Not just no, but hell no!

  • theBCnut

    Back when Pro Plan first came out, I tried it. This was back in the 80s. I noticed my working GSD started getting softer muscle tone and she just didn’t feel right, so I switched her back to what I had been feeding her. She ended up dying of cancer, not that I think it was related to the Pro Plan, since she really didn’t eat it for that long. My Saluki hated it and he had these gigantic stools that were terrifying, so he didn’t stay on it for long either. One of my current BCs came as an 8 week old puppy on Pro Plan and he has all kinds of food sensitivities to so many ingredients in Pro Plan that he had to be switched immediately. My other BC wouldn’t touch the left over food and my JRT, who will eat anything, started getting itchy on it. So I have never fed it long enough to know whether or not it would cause serious health problem, just lack of condition, in my dogs. Personally, I do not like to feed foods that are that high in carbs. I think there is a correlation between the way we are now feeding our dogs and the huge rise in number of dogs getting diabetes, cancer, and kidney disease. Another thing, there really isn’t any one food that I trust to be the sole diet life long in any of my pets. I rotate foods all the time and have for about 4 years. If you are feeding a rotational diet, then I think Pro Plan would be ok, not great, but ok as part of the rotation.

  • mahoraner niall

    even someone uneducated about dog food should know that $20 for 50 lbs of dog food isn’t safe
    the only way that purina gets by with their crap “food” is by raising the price so that they get more profit, and consumers don’t get suspicious

    because if you take away the profit from selling 1 bag of dog chow, you’d be left with a $3, 20 lb bag of dog chow, and half of that $3 probably went to the packaging,
    So in the end, your spending $15 for $1.50 worth of “food”

    Because at the end of the day, dog chow is just an over priced ol’roy

    ps, where the heII did they get the name ol’roy?

    hmm, maybe ol roy like an OLd bag of ROYal canin, Idk,

  • ShepAussie

    theBCnut –
    Would you feed Pro Plan to your dogs?
    Do you feel that is a good quality brand of dog food that will not produce diseases and illness?

  • ShepAussie

    Are you going to file a lawsuit against the manufacture of Ol Roy for the deaths of your dogs?
    I wonder how many other dogs out there have developed cancer and any other issues, resulting in illness and death.
    Ol Roy is a very low , poor quality commercial dog food. There are plenty of them out there still these days.

  • Amateria

    Because really who would put that part on the bag, they would never sell anything with that info.

    The one food that I know of here(not pet food) that states a health warning is mycoprotein foods, as they’ve been known to cause some significant allergic reactions in some people and I think it’s great that they warn about it.

    I unfortunately didn’t realise it until I read the entire package at home, I however have eaten plenty of them, or enough to cause a reaction and never had one, but that warning kinda left a mark and I am never going to eat that again, because you really never know.

  • Azul

    Sorry for your loss.
    If you plan on getting another dog here’s a list of budget friendly foods that use better ingredients.
    [email protected] Supply, Dell’s.
    Pure Balance @Walmart.
    Nature’s [email protected] Costco.
    Kirkland Signature @Costco.
    Here’s some budget friendly canned foods.
    Nature’s Domain Turkey Stew $20 case
    of 24 cans @Costco.
    Pure Balance Stew $1.15/can @Walmart.
    4health canned .99¢ @ Tractor Supply/ Dell’s.

  • Lorin Pettus

    Hello all of you out there ,, Let me start by saying that my wife and I have experienced this ourselves and in no way are we affiliated with any dog food Company in any way _
    We have been raising our Blue Heelers using The old Roy dog food for there hole lives , up until our latest dog passed away, we trusted it to be a good food for them using the canned food along with the dry as a mixed dinner for them as a daily feed , thinking that the food we were giving them was a product that had meet there daily required nutritional value, what we failed to supply them was a product that was truly free of carcinogins , we were unaware that the food we thought had meet some strict standard in the manufacturing process which would not include such things that fall under a undetermined definition of a source of animal fat , bone meal or one of the many things included in the main ingredients of the Old Roy animal food we had took for granted , this product was now the cause of there life ending demise. The fact of our animals death was due to tumors that developed in there stomach and intestines which killed them after all that could have been done had been, with no warning of what we were giving them was slowly killing them and did. What I question is why the hell wouldn’t there be some sort of guide lines that the manufacture would have to follow with these guidelines strictly inforced by the USDA , and why would a company be allowed to manufacture a product that could have so many different ingredients that fall under a defined category of a source of a supplement ment to be of nutritional value to our animals, which is taken from who knows what , such things as road kill or euithinized animals? Why would such company’s be allowed to put ingredients in the food we trusted to feed our pets and best friends. The reason this came into the limelight is this was the second dog we lost with the same cause of death. After starting to question what caused this in two separate dogs it lead us to investigate and determine that this product ….their food was the cause of their illness and Old Roy has no warning on their products that the ingredients they use are not only non nutritional but cancer causing.

  • Lorin Pettus

    Hello all of you out there ,, Let me start by saying that my wife and I have experienced this ourselves and in no way are we affiliated with any dog food Company in any way _
    We have been raising our Blue Heelers using The old Roy dog food for there hole lives , up until our latest dog passed away, we trusted it to be a good food for them using the canned food along with the dry as a mixed dinner for them as a daily feed , thinking that the food we were giving them was a product that had meet there daily required nutritional value, what we failed to supply them was a product that was truly free of carcinogins , we were unaware that the food we thought had meet some strict standard in the manufacturing process which would not include such things that fall under a undetermined definition of a source of animal fat , bone meal or one of the many things included in the main ingredients of the Old Roy animal food we had took for granted , this product was now the cause of there life ending demise. The fact of our animals death was due to tumors that developed in there stomach and intestines which killed them after all that could have been done had been, with no warning of what we were giving them was slowly killing them and did. What I question is why the hell wouldn’t there be some sort of guide lines that the manufacture would have to follow with these guidelines strictly inforced by the USDA , and why would a company be allowed to manufacture a product that could have so many different ingredients that fall under a defined category of a source of a supplement ment to be of nutritional value to our animals, which is taken from who knows what , such things as road kill or euithinized animals? Why would such company’s be allowed to put ingredients in the food we trusted to feed our pets and best friends. The reason this came into the limelight is this was the second dog we lost with the same cause of death. After starting to question what caused this in two separate dogs it lead us to investigate and determine that this product ….their food was the cause of their illness and Old Roy has no warning on their products that the ingredients they use are not only non nutritional but cancer causing.

  • mahoraner niall

    For those who have and are going to use the terrible excuse “i feed this food since i don’t want to go anywhere else just to buy dog food”

    Well actually, you DON’T need to go past walmart to get good quality food.
    as a matter of fact, they have a store brand (NOT ol’roy) that has a 3.5 star rating on here. (check it out : http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-reviews/pure-balance-dog-food/ )

    They also sell fresh pet, newmans own (some stores, or at least mine) iams naturals, beyond grain free (note, i don’t recommend this since its by purina, but it is definitely better than purinas other products AND it receives a 3.5 star rating on here) and like i mentioned earlier, pure balance

    Or if you want high quality food with out even leaving your house, you can get food on http://www.chewy.com
    Almost all of the food on chewy is good and high rated. although stay away from the purina one, pro plan, almost any tubed food, and iams (the pro active health and “so good” varieties.). and if your on a budget, fromm family classics is high rated and is only $36 for 33 lbs
    also diamond naturals, chicken soup for the soul, and premium edge (depending on the variety, they can cost from $1.05 a lb to $1.50+ a lb)

  • theBCnut

    We don’t get any education about the lies and deceptions of dog food companies either, unless, like you, we seek out some place like this on our own. Our vets don’t educate about dog food either. And like you, I don’t like to rely on kibble for my dogs’ health either. I make homemade raw dog food for half of my dogs’ meal. I really think that fresh unprocessed food is much healthier.

  • Gregg Bell

    what a great idea, im glad there are excellent dog lovers like yourself out there. I was really mad that in Langley B.C. they found 60 some dogs missing eyes and ears, a puppy mill. they got caught but the suffering that these poor dogs went through and still will is sickening. Our laws are too slack here in Vancouver or B.C. for that matter. Ide jail these people for 60 yrs or 1 yr for every dog they abused.

  • Gregg Bell

    Hi there,
    Im just fed up with some of the food companies and their lies. We really dont know 100% unless we have a lab and test the food. Sorry if i came off as a jerk but I didnt mean it that way. In Canada we really dont get an education on pet foods. Some clerks dont even know whats in the bags or cans. My rotty shep Athena died around the time that we had that bad dog food scare i think that was in 2006-2008. or 2009. My other rotty shep Riley was sick but he did live to 15 yrs. My theory is do not rely on dry food alone. I always get 4 pcs of meat and 2 go to the dogs, they eat just as good as i do , I just feel that i wouldnt want to eat dry kibble everyday on and on again yuk.

  • Storm’s Mom

    Actually, it’s not. In terms of ingredients being listed in order by weight, it’s the same in Canada (I am also in Canada). Any food made in Canada intended to be sold in the US (most foods) must adhere to AAFCO labelling guidelines.

  • theBCnut

    I’m sorry you seem to have taken the word educated as a personal attack on you. It wasn’t. My point is that due to legal wrangling and the untrustworthiness of dog food companies, in the United States, there are legally defined terms that must be used correctly on the government regulated label, and people in the United States are usually NOT educated about what this means, unless they care enough to wade through the legal mumbo jumbo on their own. I was not disparaging anyone, just commenting on the fact that label reading is not intuitive. I hope you have a better system in Canada, but I haven’t seen any evidence of it.

  • DogFoodie


  • Gregg Bell

    Well in Canada its different. I guess no other country other than the USA is uneducated. not

  • theBCnut

    In the United States, the ingredient order does have meaning. Ingredients are listed in order by weight, from most to least. If you are educated on ingredient definitions, you can figure out a lot about the food by reading to ingredient list. As an example, chicken has all the natural water still in it, which is about 80%, so would be much further down the list if it were without water, but chicken meal has the water already removed before it is added, so there is a lot more chicken protein in chicken meal than in an equal weight of chicken. However, meals are much more processed and therefore, the quality of the protein is reduced.

  • Gregg Bell

    Happy that your employed in such a higher educated position. Which Walmart do you work at? Anytime i go to Walmart no-one is educated or knows anything about pet food . You should be working in a pet store with your education and knowledge. not Walmart lol

  • Gregg Bell

    Oh and people, just because a company lists chicken as its first ingredient is meaningless, they just changed the order on the label.
    I would like to find Purina bright mind in Canada but havent found it. Ide like to try that food on my older dog, does anyone know if its available in Canada and where?? Also I think Canada is stricter than the usa when it comes to pet foods. We have higher standards than they do.

  • Gregg Bell

    Ive been buying the maximum for years from Walmart. My dogs love it and their coats dont get pet dander like IAMS DOES!! My friends always buy the pet store or vet recom foods. They pay through the nose for it and their pets both cats and dogs are always at the vet sick. I have always used kibble for their morning feeding and I cook steak or chicken and they get small portions of my dinner excluding the desert.lol. my dogs are energetic and never sick. I will stick with the Old Roy Maximum. Oh and I have tried Science Diet and Blue . Neither of these kibbles my dogs would eat, they turned their noses up to it. but always feed your dogs at supper time some of your dinner meat and veggies , this balances out any lack of high quality ingredients that may be missing.

  • Jay Bee

    I’ve been feeding my dogs ol’roy for over 20 years and they have all lived long lives. My present black lab and my jack russel are 12 yrs old and very active. My boxer puppy is 1 and a half yrs old and likes it fine.

  • Sleddogracer

    in the fall and winter I supplement the sleddogs with ground raw chicken

  • Crazy4dogs

    Well it must be working for you. I think the high fat content must help the coats curious. Just you supplement with fresh meat also?

  • Sleddogracer

    I’ve had very good results with it for many years – I’ve fed several specialty foods and noticed no improvement in coats or performance – I’m feeding 37 dogs of my own with it and every one of them have beautiful coats and are full of energy – the coats are soft and luxuriant – even my GSD has a beautiful soft shiny coat, and the lab crosses shine in the sun

  • Dog Lady

    I’ve kept vague records. I’ve given all meat types, beef, pork, turkey, etc…. I also always add water to their food. Plus coconut oil, sometimes sardines, olive oil, yoghurt, a cooked egg at other times. Her stools are lovely really, my husband calls me the poop lady because I’m always checking stools lol She was itchy when I fed home made. Actually I fed ol’roy too and she did pretty good on it. But i couldnt live w myself. The vet said the anal gland issue is a problem of low fibre so now I’m adding a 1/4 cup mixed vegetables! All I know is that when I get down to 1-2 dogs I’m feeding home made!

  • Crazy4dogs

    Thanks! By Ol’ Roy standards, it actually looks like a decent product. At least it has chicken meal as it’s 1st ingredient. It’s the stuff that follows that might be questionable.

  • Sleddogracer

    yes, Canada only

  • Crazy4dogs

    Hi Sleddogracer, Is this a Canadian product? I could only find it on Walmart.ca. I don’t think DFA reviews products from other countries.

  • Crazy4dogs

    Hi Dog Lady,
    Ol Roy Maximum appears to be a Canadian product. The ingredient label does look better than most of the Ol Roy products. Bladder infections and anal gland issues can often be due to a lack of sufficient water, particularly if the stools are very small, hard and dry. Of course food allergies or intolerances can cause issues as well. Do you always use the same protein or have you tried a variety? Have you kept any kind of record as to which food caused which problems? This can help in pinning down problems.

  • Dog Lady

    Hi There, I’ve tried a dozen, literally! I have them written down. From Canine caviar to Ol’Roy. From Canadae to purina probably plan for sensitive stomachs w ethoxyquin! She did not bad on ol’Roy but I switched because of the guilt. But if Maximum isn’t too bad I may try it. Tho I do know what u mean. I also tried homemade and raw, $$$$

  • Pitlove

    Hi Dog Lady-

    It isn’t necessary to jump from a food like Orijen to a food like Ol’Roy to find a food at a good price.

    For instance there are brands like Victor, Dr. Tim’s, NutriSource, Fromm Gold, Pure Balance, Whole Earth Farms and many more that are a reasonable price and much higher quality.

  • Dog Lady

    Thank you so much. This was very informative. I have 4 dogs and my shepherd just was at the vet with a bladder infection and bunged up anal glands.she is four. I feed Orijen and Acana. She has always been itchy and with different dog foods biting her paws. I was consudering Ol’Roy but always feel guilty about the quality! I’m paying $60-90 a bag and still they r getting sick. Good to know about Maximum. I will try it!

  • Shawna

    I will have to agree with you on that. 🙂

  • Sleddogracer

    if a dog is sensitive to corn, one is as bad as the other – I’ve seen labels that listed ground yellow corn, corn gluten, and corn meal as separate items, all done to disguise the order of ingredients

  • Shawna

    Corn and corn gluten are not thee same. Whole corn includes the gluten (protein), fats and starch. Corn gluten is just the protein and used to up the overall ptoyein amount with an inexpensive source of protein.

  • Sleddogracer

    most years I supplement with raw ground chicken – there are the odd times when it’s unavailable

  • Crazy4dogs
  • Pitlove

    It was actually a supplier issue with Blue, however they weren’t involved in the process of knowing what the supplier was giving them, so they were cutting cost by giving them by-products. Blue released the information as soon as they became aware of it.

    Also not that Elizabeth Lamm will see this but for the record- Champion Pet Foods makes a few lower quality grocery store lines sold in Canada.

  • Sleddogracer

    it’s kibble, the moisture has been removed – first ingredient is chicken – the health of the dogs, the stool, and the performance of the dogs is the best indicator of the quality of the food – after almost 4 decades of competition, including trying many different brands of dog food making claims of being the best ( which by and large proved to be over inflated, to be polite ), following the results of independent research, being aware of the feeding practices of many times over champions, and winning the odd championship myself, I’m quite aware of what good dog food is – I could likely count on the fingers of one hand the kibbles that are suitable to feed a competitive racing sleddog

  • Sleddogracer

    the ingredients are listed on the bag with no divisions of items listed – some companies list corn and corn gluten as two separate items when in reality they are not – it upsets the order in which they are listed and likely means that corn is the first ingredient, not meat

  • Sleddogracer

    Blue Buffalo was recently convicted of incorrect labeling – they claimed no by-products ( not that there is anything wrong with by-products – they are just parts that humans don’t ordinarily feed ) knowing the by-products were being used – showing that when the lips of dog food companies are moving, they are misleading the public

  • Sleddogracer

    yes, there are some very good ones available – Dr Tims being one of the best – unfortunately, money has to become part of the equation – Dr Tims comes at over $88 CAD, plus freight and taxes, easily topping $100 per bag to me – Old Roy Maximum, delivered to my yard, taxes included, just under $30 per bag – most years I’m able to supplement with ground raw chicken, and this year I have a nice supply of lamb fat ( jet fuel for dogs ) so the season is looking good

  • GSDgrl82

    My mother in law has been a smoker most of her life and she hasn’t had any health issues… Does that make smoking healthy? No. Ol’roy is pure junk, I can’t imagine being aware of what is in it and still feeding it. Probably has something to do with the price tag I bet.

  • GSDgrl82

    There are actually some really nice much higher quality sled dog kibbles out there with the ratios you’re looking for. Dr. Tim’s momentum and Redpaw. I’m not ok with supporting a company that pumps out bottom of the barrel foods like Ol’roy.

  • ChristinaJoe DeCourcey

    awee they are all sooo cute!!

  • ChristinaJoe DeCourcey

    awww BEAUTIFULL!!!
    This is my beautill girl Cheek

  • Sarah Fetter

    I work at a WalMart in the pet department. You wouldn’t believe how many people I hear talking about how wonderful Ol’ Roy is and how great and nutritional it is. They actually think this is good food.
    It’s all I can manage not to slap them silly. But I want to keep my job.
    Fun Fact: Ol’ Roy is named for Sam Walton’s dog. Fun Opinion: I don’t think Sam would’ve fed his dog this crap.

  • Elizabeth Lamm

    Not ALL dog food companies have cheap junk lines and one good one. Actually most of the reputable companies have fantastic products across the board even if they have different lines just look at Blue Buffalo & Champion pets. I personally refuse to feed food from a company that makes a low quality food even if they make a “good” one, simply because that shows me that as a company they care more about profit then a pet’s health and I could not trust them. Too many ways to cut corners (like buying fish perserved with ethyoxoquin since it doesn’t HAVE to state it on the label).

  • DogFoodie

    That’s exactly what I found last night also, Shawna.

  • Shawna

    It appears that Ol’ Roy Maximum isn’t sold in the US where the ratings are done. I can find it on Walmart Canada only where it states “Product of Canada” and it doesn’t list the ingredients.

  • DogFoodie

    Once the moisture is removed from the chicken, it’ll drop way, way down the ingredient list. I’m curious why a review would even matter to you if this is what you’re dogs have eaten for 15 years. Why don’t you post the ingredients? Wal-Mart doesn’t typically share that information online.

  • Sleddogracer

    the only product from Old Roy that is quite good is the “Maximum”, and this chart doesn’t even mention it – like all dog food companies, they have several cheap or cheaper lines to attract the customers looking to save a few $s and one good product – I’d like to see an unbiased rating on Old Roy Maximum – I’ve been feeding the “Maximum” to my sleddogs for about the last 15 years – I won the BC Championships 3 different times feeding Maximum without supplementing with raw chicken against the top mushers in the world, and I hold the record for the most podium finishes for that race – it’s been the only non specialized kibble I’ve been able to train or race my sleddogs on – kibble from Purina ( Purina High Protein ) for instance, has the dogs in my team squirting blood after one run, while the stools from Maximum remain firm and dark ( dark indicating meat protein ) – other brands of over the counter kibble don’t contain enough fat or protein for the dogs to perform the way they need to perform as racing sleddogs despite their claims of quality – “Maximum” contains 28% protein and 22 % fat content, and the first ingredient is chicken – that isn’t enough fat or protein to race in the long distance races, but it is sufficient in the shorter sprint races – my dogs radiate energy, have beautiful coats, and are extremely healthy – my vet said she wished her pet dog clients could see what a FIT dog looks like when she was looking at my fit dogs – how about a rating on Old Roy Maximum?

  • aimee

    I agree… the only thing you really cherry picked was insisting on using Mercola’s brand of psyllium powder.

    The other products you choose to use, cooked spinach, and raw shredded coconut have absolutely nothing to do with Dr. Becker’s recommendations, so I guess I can’t call it cherry picking. Not sure what to call it when you use product forms that don’t have any relationship what so ever to what the author called for.

  • Crazy4dogs

    Oh come on Aimee! I didn’t cherry pick. I used YOUR DATA LINKS!!! If anyone cherry picks, I think it would be you. You choose your sources, even if they might not be realistic. I gave all the data based on your sources!
    I guess we should just agree that you will pick the big 3/4 every time regardless of what is in the bag and I will pick the holistic version.

  • Shawna

    I haven’t read the whole conversation but wanted to speak up on the slipper elm. The University of Maryland Medical Center agrees that “There has been little scientific research on slippery elm, but it is often suggested for the following conditions:” There was once a real lack of science relating to probiotics as well. Didn’t mean they weren’t doing what history proclaimed them to be doing.

    “Slippery elm contains mucilage, a substance that becomes a slick gel when mixed with water. It coats and soothes the mouth, throat, stomach, and intestines. It also contains antioxidants that help relieve inflammatory bowel conditions. Slippery elm also causes reflux stimulation of nerve endings in the gastrointestinal tract leading to increased mucus secretion. The increased mucus production may protect the gastrointestinal tract against ulcers and excess acidity.”

    Source: Slippery elm | University of Maryland Medical Center http://umm.edu/health/medical/altmed/herb/slippery-elm/#ixzz3cPi5OoV9
    University of Maryland Medical Center
    Follow us: @UMMC on Twitter | MedCenter on Facebook

    At the bottom of the article they give “supporting research”. I didn’t pull up at any of these

    Supporting Research

    Bock S. Integrative medical treatment of inflammatory bowel disease. Int J Integr Med. 2000;2(5):21-29.

    Brown AC, Hairfield M, Richards DG, McMillin DL, Mein EA, Nelson CD. Medical nutrition therapy as a potential complementary treatment for psoriasis — five case reports. Altern Med Rev. 2004;9(3):297-307.

    Hawrelak JA, Myers SP. Effects of two natural medicine formulations on irritable bowel syndrome symptoms: a pilot study. J Altern Complement Med. 2010;16(10):1065-71.

    Langmead L, Dawson C, Hawkins C, Banna N, Loo S, Rampton DS. Antioxidant effects of herbal therapies used by patients with inflammatory bowel disease: an in vitro study. Aliment Pharmacol Ther. 2002;16(2):197-205.

    Rakel D. Rakel: Integrative Medicine, 2nd ed. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders Elsevier Inc.; 2007:43.

    Rotblatt M, Ziment I. Evidence-based Herbal Medicine. Philadelphia, Penn: Hanley & Belfus, Inc.;2202:337-338.

    Edit — I used slippery elm for my Pom’s IBD, which included severe diarrhea w/ blood, due to a chicken sensitivity. I wasn’t giving the slippery elm to help with the diarrhea but rather to protect her gut from whatever was causing the diarrhea.

  • aimee

    Hi Crazy4dogs,

    You did say the soothing effect was due to mucilage which is formed from soluble fiber. “due to the mucilage effect soothing the digestive tract”

    I didn’t find much in the way of publications regarding Slippery Elm. In the Professional Handbook of Complementary and Alternative Medicines by Fetrow and Avila they write ” no clinical study data are available to support its use” and Insufficient published data are available to recommend internal use of this agent”

    I did find this article https://www.mskcc.org/cancer-care/integrative-medicine/herbs/slippery-elm in which it is written “To treat diarrhea No scientific evidence supports this use. In fact, slippery elm may have laxative effects.” and “One small clinical trial found that a formulation containing slippery
    elm improved bowel habits and symptoms in patients with
    constipation-predominant IBS. However, further study is needed to
    confirm this effect.” I read the abstract, the dose isn’t given and was in combination with other products but it helped with constipation but not diarrhea predominant symptoms.

    I purchased spinach, ground it in my “Magic Bullet” tightly packed a tsp and weighed it. 1 tsp weighed 2 grams. Using USDA data that amounts to 0.04 grams fiber. It really is laughable isn’t it?

    I don’t see how you can say that “overall I don’t see the fiber numbers that widely varied.” 0.04 grams fiber from 1 tsp ground leafy veggie/10 lbs vs .67grams /10 lbs (using your “mercola”number) is a 16 fold difference not to mention that it is a real stretch to say you have to base her recommendations off of Mercola’s product vs a different company.

    In regards to coconut fiber she links to dehydrated coconut flakes, not fresh coconut, and when I think “coconut fiber” as reported in the article this is what comes to mind “http://nutrizen.en.ec21.com/Coconut_Dietary_Fiber–1664076_2504960.html

    From the “healthy” site “To fulfill the 20 grams/day goal, you would need to eat 8 tablespoons of fresh coconut or 4 tablespoons of dried.”

    Dried coconut than according to that site is 5 grams fiber /tbls.

    She recommends 1 tsp/10 lbs which would be 1,66 grams/10 lbs She linked to a dried product.

    But she links to coco therapy site. I have that product in my possession and 1 tsp coco flakes weighed 3 grams and from the GA label is 11% fiber. Therefore 1 tsp of that product is .33 grams fiber.

    So to summarize for ground leafy vegetable using spinach 0.04 grams fiber /10 lbs.

    1/2 tsp psyllium depending on various products 0.67 ~ 1.5 grms/10 lbs

    Coconut using the product she linked to 0.33 grams/10 lbs – 1.66 grams /10 lbs from your healthy site – 3.3 grams/10 lbs using the product I linked to.

    Her fiber numbers vary greatly which is what I originally said. From 0.04/10 lbs to 3.3 grams/10 lbs. The recommendations are vague and vary greatly.

    You seem to be cherry picking forms that she specifically didn’t call for to make those numbers look more consistent. Cooked spinach to concentrate it, to bring the fiber content up and fresh coconut to bring the fiber content down.

    Instead of trying to hard to make data fit a preconceived conclusion that she is consisten” ;just objectively look at the numbers.

  • Crazy4dogs

    Regarding the Slippery Elm, I know it’s use is not about the fiber, but the soothing qualites found in the herb. I made this statement in one of my earlier comments to you: “The whole point of Slippery Elm is it’s gelatinous and soothing qualities vs. a fiber source.”

    Link: http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-reviews/ol-roy-dog-food-dry/#comment-2054773051

    Pureed spinach has .0916 grams of fiber per teaspoon. University of Forida Link:


    There are 6.43 cups of fresh spinach in 1 cup of cooked spinach per your link. I think the cooked spinach would be closer than fresh spinach in measurability to pureed spinach.

    I do see that I incorrectly listed the wrong fiber on the kale.

    In regard to the psyllium question, I do think she might be a bit high on the dosage, but I believe you need to base you equation on the Mercola site, as she is part of Mercola. The organic psyllium husk powder seems more dilute as its dose is 1 heaping tablespoon. The general consensus for heaping tablespoon is 1 1/2-2 tablespoons (Wiki). I don’t think she would recommend a Metamucil containing sugar or aspertame for a dog.

    Mercola link:


    I’m not sure which Metamucil you’re referring to, they have a lot of options with a lot of different dosages. If you look @ the dosage recommendations on the Metamucil site, when it comes to the dosage for digestive health, it varies quite a bit. The capsule dosage is 2-5 capsules, up to 4 times a day:


    In regard to coconut fiber, the meat and the milk contains fiber. Here’s a link to a coconut site:


    A nutrition data link:


    Dietary fiber from your usda link:

    Coconut 1 cup shredded – 7.2 grams

    Pumpkin, canned 1 cup – 7.1 grams
    (Which is why I think 1/2 cup is more for constipation than diarrhea)

    Spinach cooked, drained 1 cup – 4.3 grams

    Dosage from the Mercola site, psyllium 1 heaping tablespoon (1 1/2 tbsp for argument’s sake) 6 grams fiber. That would come out to 4.5 teaspoons for 6 grams of fiber. If she’s dosing 1/2 tsp/10 lbs that’s about .67 grams of fiber per 1/2 tsp. A 70 lb dog would be getting 4.69 grams of fiber. From the healthy with coconuts it would be 5.83 grams of fiber for a 70 lb dog. The coconut does tend to vary. If you use the nutrition data link it would be 3.5 grams for a 70 lb dog. I tend to think she would be using fresh since she is a holistic vet. But overall I don’t see the fiber numbers that widely varied. Hopefully, my math is correct. 🙂

    I think you are missing the whole point of the article and my previous response. The purpose of her article is to try using the ground vegetables first to naturally and gently relieve constipaton and if that doesn’t work, move on to another fiber. In the holistic style that she uses I could be wrong, but I don’t think the numbers are always as exact as you want them.
    Edit: Sorry for the book.

  • aimee

    You said “You also cannot just arbitrarily pick a vegetable” I’d ask why not? Dr. Becker doesn’t specify a list to pick from. In regards to kale, from the link to the USDA database you provided, 1 cup is reported as 0.6 grams fiber. You inadvertently reported the amount for 100 grams.

    My reasoning isn’t flawed. I took volume reduction into account. I may have over or underestimated and to know for sure I’d have to grind 30 grams of spinach and then measure it. But anyway you slice or grind it you won’t be able to get 2 cups fresh leafy vegetables into 1 tsp to be anywhere equivalent to the grams of fiber she recommends when dosing with psyllium/coconut. Which is why I said her recommendations are vary variable. : )

    Another way to look at her psyllium dose for constipation is to compare it to a human. At 1/2 tsp /10 lbs and saying the avg person weighs 150 lbs that would be 7.5 tsp. Yet Metamucil gives a starting dose for an adult at 1 tsp and that is with a product in which the psyllium is “cut” with sugar.

    I don’t see that the conventional use of Slippery Elm for diarrhea has to do with fiber type. I think it is more commonly recommended for the other chemical properties it contains.

    “The tannins in the herb reduce inflammation, and the oily mucilage
    components lubricate the digestive tract and assist in waste elimination”


    From the same source :” Slippery elm is in common use in pets with digestive disturbances, including both diarrhea and constipation”

  • Crazy4dogs

    That is so sad. I hate to admit, but years ago, we had 2 of our cats front paws declawed. Who knew? Everyone seemed to do it. 🙁

  • Bobby dog

    That is my favorite PB fur color!

  • Crazy4dogs

    Hi Aimee,
    Regarding the Slippery Elm powder vs capsule, I don’t know, but if you read the link dosages included in them (I’m using the edu link in this instance):
    Powder – 2 Tablespoons 3 times a day
    400-500 mg capsules 3-4 times a day.
    I have the 400 mg capsules. I could fit 7 of them still in their gelatin capsule in a measuring tablespoon at almost completely level. That’s my reasoning that capsules may be more concentrated than powder.

    In Karen Becker’s article, she recommends GROUND LEAFY VEGETABLES. Your basic premise on how you factored you equation is flawed because it’s based on incorrect data. Your link was to Raw Spinach. Have you ever cooked Spinach? 1 cup becomes about 1/8 cup or less in a matter of seconds. Even fresh, if you grind in in a food processor it would become a very small amount in a matter of seconds.

    You also cannot just arbitrarily pick a vegetable and say, Oh, her recommendations are variable. If you picked Kale instead, 1 cup raw is 3.5 grams of fiber. That’s not ground. As you can see yourself, fiber contents can vary greatly. I used your link:


    In her article, she discusses soluble vs insoluble fiber. She recommends green leafy vegetables first, then goes on to say if that doesn’t work, try psyllium and then coconut fiber. She is offering options. Not all things work for all dogs. I know this for a fact.
    In your quest for the pumpkin fiber answer, there is no absolute amount. It can and often does with dogs. If I feed too much, my dogs all get soft stools. One of my dogs is not affected no matter what she’s given. She is so regular, it’s ridiculous. I have a foster that has occaisional anal gland issues. She gets just a half teaspoon added to her breakfast. It keeps her stool solid and just the right form. The funny thing is I ran out a few days ago. Her stools are normal but are on the small side since I haven’t used it. She needs just a tiny amount of pumpkin to keep her stools slightly larger, while still firm. It doesn’t matter what foods I’m feeding, she needs that touch of pumpkin. I haven’t had any issues with her in months.

  • SandyandMila

    Thanks, she’s a good girl.

  • Crazy4dogs

    Great picture. Such a sweet face!

  • Crazy4dogs

    Did you read this article? Here is a direct cut and past from the link you used:


    Make sure you read the last sentence:

    “II. Uses:

    Psyllium is produced mainly for its mucilage content, which is highest in P. ovata. Mucilage describes a group of clear, colorless, gelling agents derived from plants. The mucilage
    obtained from psyllium comes from the seed coat. Mucilage is obtained by mechanical milling/grinding of the outer layer of the seed. Mucilage yield amounts to approximately 25% or more (by weight) of the total seed yield. Plantago seed mucilage is often referred to as husk or psyllium husk. The milled seed mucilage is a white fibrous material that is hydrophilic (water-loving). Upon absorbing water the clear colorless mucilaginous gel that forms increases in volume by ten-fold or more. Psyllium is mainly used as a dietary fiber, which is not digested by action in the small intestine. The purely mechanical action of psyllium mucilage absorbs excess water while stimulating normal bowel elimination. Although its main use has been as a laxative, it is more appropriately termed a true dietary fiber.”

    That’s directly from your link. The main purpose of psyllium is as a laxative. While both slippery elm and psyllium can be used for both constipation and diarrhea Slippery Elm has a SOOTHING quality that is most often used for diarrhea. You would have to use a large dose of it for a laxative effect. Slippery Elm increases mucous production. It is also used to sooth sore throats and coughs.

    Did you read the title of the Dogs Naturally article? Again, cut and paste:

    The Soothing Qualities of Slippery Elm

    Here’s a link regarding psyllium from the University of Maryland, an edu link:


    Here again is the Slippery Elm link from the same site:


    Different fibers have different properties, which is why they are used in different situations.

  • aimee

    I’ve heard of Slippery Elm before what I don’t know is how or if the musilage is significantly different from that of psyllium.

    Why recommend Slippery elm for diarrhea but not Psyllium if they are both good sources of mucilage?

    “Psyllium is produced mainly for its mucilage content”


  • aimee


  • aimee

    I really looked and looked to try and find how many grams of fiber /gram of Slippery Elm and that was all i found. I never came across anything that said the powder in the capsules had more fiber/ gram than that loose in a bottle. What led you to that conclusion?

    Here is another example of why I found her recommendation’s variable.

    In the section on constipation she recommended a dose for leafy vegetable 1 tsp/10 lbs. From the USDA nutrient database 1 cup of spinach has 0.7 grams fiber. One tsp obviously has a lot lot less. I think I’m being generous by saying .07 grams


    The recommendation for psyllium, the aforementioned 1.5 – 2 grams/10 lbs, is likely 25 times as much!

    The recommendation for coconut fiber I found hard to figure out. I found this reference that reports 10 grams fiber /tbls for coconut flour. When I read the descriptions for coconut flour and coconut fiber they were very similar. Her link is to dried but not ground coconut. If anyone has a better source I’d like to have one. That said the closest I can come up with is 3.3 grams/10 lbs


    So in that section there is a recommendation for far far less than a gram/10 lbs, 1.5-2 grams/10 lbs and maybe as high as 3.3 grams/10 lbs.

    The other thing I found interesting is that psyllium is primarily soluble fiber, and coconut fiber is primarily insoluble fiber. Pumpkin is about 50/50.

    She seems to differentiate out recommendations for constipation and diarrhea but the recommendations as to what sources to use are not related to the fiber type the provide.

  • theBCnut

    To my way of thinking, ear cropping is just trimming off some skin and cartilage, totally unnecessary and done for no good reason, but only painful for a very short time. Taildocking cuts the spinal column and cord and affects balance and communication. If done to a day old pup, it probably doesn’t hurt for long, but once again, no good reason, just human vanity. Declawing cats is a totally different thing. It actually cuts off the tip of each toe, causes extreme pain for a period of time and can cause pain for life. They have to walk on those amputated digits, after all. The old way they used to do it was to use nail trimmers and just guillotine the end off each toe. When they did that, it often shattered the bone and left many little pieces of bone for the cat to have to figure out how to walk on. I don’t like them chopping off body parts on animals for no reason except cosmetics. I think it’s a bit sick and disgusting, but not really inhumane, but declawing is inhumane, plain and simple.

  • DogFoodie

    I had a cat once when I was little. He was not declawed. I had no idea how horrible declawing was until I saw this photo a while back.

    The cat’s paw on the left was declawed, the right was not.

    That looks so painful.

  • Pitlove

    its just a guess but 1/4 of a cup

  • aimee

    If I post a link I have always read everything in its entirety that the link is to. I have though linked to abstracts form peer reviewed journals have not paid to read the full text.

  • aimee

    Thanks pitlove,
    If you measured your heiaping sponsful in terms of cups ,how much would it be?

  • Crazy4dogs

    If you are using the Livstrong link which sites dosage of 1480 mg dosage of slippery elm contains 1 g fiber would be about 4 capsules (400 mg each). I believe the capsules are more concentrated than the powder.

  • Crazy4dogs

    Thanks Storm’s Mom! 🙂
    If you get a chance, read the link I sent. I think you’ll see my point.

  • Crazy4dogs

    If you had read the article instead of just the dosage recommendations, I don’t think you would have posted this comment:

    “Her fiber recommendations vary quite a bit and I’m not sure why.”

    Perhaps you didn’t understand the article. Regarding slippery elm, perhaps you aren’t familiar with it. It has long been used for many conditions due to the mucilage effect soothing the digestive tract. It forms a gelatin when combined with liquid. It’s often used for IBS and Diverticulitis. I use the capsule form, which is a smaller dose than powder. I think you’re trying to figure out the fiber from the capsule listing on Livestrong.

    The whole point of Slippery Elm is it’s gelatinous and soothing qualities vs. a fiber source.

    Dogs Naturally does recommend a smaller dosage than Karen Becker. Here are some links:


    Your personal favorite, an edu link:


    Integrative medicine link:


  • Storm’s Mom

    You do have a history of posting links to articles you didn’t read in their entirety until someone called you on it.

  • Pitlove

    poor choice of words on my part. regret isnt really the right word. i happen to like the look, however i love my dog just the way he is and would not change him.

  • Pitlove

    should have realized i’d have been met with that anger from people lol. i understand a lot of peoples frustration with ear cropping and i’ve looked into it a lot more than people probably think i have given by their reactions. there are a lot of breeders/people who are for it for medical reasons and a lot who are against it. i can understand both sides because thats the kind of person i am.

    i believed my whole life that it was inhumane and cruel and i still think that in certain cases yes it is and i also think they have improved techniques for doing it (lazer).

    Just as a personal experience, my boyfriends brother and his wife have a great dane who at 2 years old had to get 8 inches of his tail docked because he hits it so hard on things as he walks by them that he has split the end of his tail open more times then i can count on 2 hands. they wish they would have docked his tail early in his life now but they had no idea they would end up dealing with something like that. the vet originally only agreed to take off 2 inches but when he started the surgery and opened his tail up he found 8 more inches of dead tissue.

    Also having the ears cropped can help greatly deduce ear infections as it allows more airflow into the ear and provides less of a dark moist area for baceria to grow.
    you also have to realize floppy ears are man made. i have yet to see a wild dog or wolf with floppy ears.

    trust me im well aware no one will agree with me about any of these points, but we are all entitled to our own opinions.

  • aimee

    I find it insulting that you’d ask if I read the article.

    The recommendations do vary significantly to my eye. I’ll compare within the same category for you.

    For slippery elm she recommends 1/2 tsp for 10 lbs, which I’m estimating is about .75 gram fiber based on the info from these two sites. I had a hard time finding how much fiber is in this supplement. https://www.pureformulas.com/slippery-elm-powder-175grams-by-vital-nutrients.html http://www.livestrong.com/article/331083-nutritional-value-of-slippery-elm/

    To get .75 grams fiber from pumpkin you’d have to feed ~1/10th cup which would be about 7 teaspoons/10 lbs. Or in the case of a 75 lb dog 3/4 cup pumpkin.

  • Crazy4cats

    In addition to banning ear cropping and tail docking, can we please put an end to declawing cats. It is an equally or even more brutal practice that needs to come to an end in the U.S. It also is banned in many other countries. Declawing involves actually amputating the last bone (knuckle) of each toe. It can cause physical as well as behavioral problems in cats.

    Sorry, I know this is a dog site, but I don’t think many know what declawing actually means and I want to get the word out!

  • SandyandMila

    Yeah, we really don’t see it other than in the bath or when I wash her bedding and find it in the lint trap. In the warmer months, she looks more brown now than gray (blue). 🙂

  • LabsRawesome

    The USA should ban ear & tail cropping too. It is cruelty to animals. Just a disgusting thing to do.

  • Shawna

    I actually like the look too but I personally think it is a brutal practice and like el doctor am so glad you did not.

    Edit — thought you might find this interesting.
    “Ear cropping involves the surgical removal of a portion of both of ears and is traditionally performed on specific breeds such as boxers, great danes, doberman pinschers or schnauzers. The practice was common in dogs bred for guarding, fighting, and hunting small animals and the historical reasons for ear cropping are similar to those for tail docking (owners said they wanted to reduce the incidence of ear injuries and make it harder for their dogs to be caught by the ears). Although few dogs are used for such purposes now, some breed fanciers argue that cropped ears are part of the historical breed standard. Others, including RSPCA Australia regard the practice of ear cropping as an unnecessary and detrimental to the welfare of the animals concerned. In many countries including Australia, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, and the United Kingdom, the practice is banned under prevention of cruelty to animals’ legislation.” http://kb.rspca.org.au/Why-is-the-RSPCA-opposed-to-the-tail-docking-of-dogs_135.html

  • Crazy4cats

    Heehee, she matches your couch! Good way to hide the hair!

  • el doctor

    Hi Pitlove

    I’m so glad you did NOT maim your AmStaff by cropping his ears.

    I believe that if you thought about cropping a child’s ears or any other body part to make them “look so good” you would be as horrified as I am when I think about what we do to dogs to make them “look so good”

  • LabsRawesome

    Rocco is very handsome. But whoever chopped off his ears like that needs slapped. The left ear is much bigger than the right. Whoever owned him before you probably whacked them off with scissors in their backyard with no pain meds. He is still a handsome dog though. I’m glad he’s got a good home now. I’m so glad you adopted from the pound.

  • SandyandMila

    Thank you! ❤️

  • Crazy4cats

    Your Mila is beautiful!

  • Crazy4dogs

    Aimee, did you read the article? She suggested the psyllium for dogs that are constipated or straining to defecate, slippery elm or pumpkin for loose stools.
    Everything she said makes sense. You would need more fiber in constipation to produce a larger stool.

  • Crazy4dogs

    He’s a cutie! So glad you adopted! So many Pitties need homes!

  • *CMC*

    I adopted him like that from our local shelter.

  • SandyandMila

    Yeah, we probably add according to what we’ve used before and what worked. Could be different for each circumstances. 🙂

  • Pitlove

    i’d say they are more heaping if anything. i noticed just like you that if i only gave him one or two that weren’t too big it didn’t do much in the way of correcting the diaherra. so i started giving him more and much bigger spoonfuls. literally just using a spoon and kind of piling it on there are much as i can to not have it all over my floor at the end lol

  • aimee

    Thanks for your input. Are the spoonfuls you are using measuring teaspoons? tablespoons? heaping? or level?

  • aimee

    Her fiber recommendations vary quite a bit and I’m not sure why.

    “try adding some psyllium husk powder (half a teaspoon for 10 pounds of body weight)”

    One half tsp pysllium powder has about 1.5-2 grams dietary fiber, most of which is soluble.


    If you followed that advice for a 75 lb dog you would be supplementing a min of 11.25 grams fiber which would be equivalent to about 1.5 cups pumpkin!

    If you follow the pumpkin recommendation you’d give ~1 gram. That is a over a 10 fold difference.

    I looked at it from a stand point of what is the fiber amount present in the diet being fed and what percent of that you were adding when spooning a tsp or tbls of pumpkin into it.

    I don’t know…. seems like recommendations are based on “this amount seems good”

  • Pitlove

    ya looks way better in that picture haha i can see his shape a lot better 🙂

  • Pitlove

    wow! this picture is so great of him. I so regret not getting my AmStaff’s ears cropped. Rocco’s look so good!

  • Shawna

    Wow!! He is so handsome!! Love his soulful eyes!!
    I’ll bet that as he eats more of the higher and better protein in the new food that you will see his muscles become more defined, chiseled.

  • *CMC*

    He is quite the looker and Im sure the pic you saw was just bad lighting. He is all muscle and 75lbs.

  • *CMC*

    Pic 3

  • *CMC*

    Pic 2

  • *CMC*

    Pic 1

  • *CMC*

    Thanks Rocco is quite the looker. Im sure it is just bad lighting. He is all muscle and 75lbs.

  • Crazy4dogs

    1/2 cup pumpkin has 3.5 g fiber. I think that’s too much
    Karen Becker recommends 1 teaspoon per 10 pounds. That would be about 2 1/3 tablespoons for a 75 lb dog.
    when I use it on my labs I use a serving tablespoon which would probably be 2 measuring tablespoons
    Here’s Karen Becker’s link:


  • Pitlove

    i usually let my 66lb AmStaff have about 3-4 spoonfuls and that seems to work good.

  • Pitlove

    First off let me say that your boy is beautiful! possibly a little bit overweight but its hard to tell in the picture. I do kefir as a probiotic at dinner time for my AmStaff and a digestive supplement in the morning. I put canned pumpkin in his food if i notice some loose stool. kefir is a great way to get healthy bacteria back into their gut and make it healthy enough to eat just like a human! switching as frequently as you want. i change my dogs food every bag and i dont have to blend his food any more and he doesnt get diaherra its awesome!

  • aimee

    I don’t know.. pumpkin has a high water content and isn’t a very concentrated source of fiber. I’ve always thought when people would say to add pumpkin in the amount of 1-2 tsp or tbls it wouldn’t be enough to really add much in the way of fiber for anything but a small dog..

  • Crazy4dogs

    Just IMO, I think 1/2 cup of pumpkin might be too much. Pumpkin works for both diarrhea and constipation. A little for diarrhea and a lot for constipation. It might be better to start with just a little and go up to more if you need to. Good luck with it! 🙂

  • *CMC*

    Thanks, that is pretty similar to what the Vet recommended.

  • *CMC*

    BTW this food has a 4.5 star rating on Dogfoodadvisor.com which is much higher than some of the Blue Buffalo’s

  • *CMC*

    I got Rocco Premium Edge Chicken and Rice dog food. I was told by his vet to add about half a cup of pumpkin and 1/4 cup of Greek pro biotic yogurt along with the new food to help him with the transition. She said to not give him the Ol’Roy any more or the Pure Balance. I found this food at Care-a-lot and it was $36 for a 35lb bag of food. I am just hopping my baby boy gets better…he is truly Momma’s Baby!

  • èdè Yorùbá Sinsajo

    I am not the website admin, but to answer you; yes, so that you can avoid the protein jump messiness. However, if the protein content of the new food is close, then you should be fine.

  • SandyandMila

    I do about a tablespoon of each as well. The kefir or yogurt are for digestive help and I use kefir on a fairly regular basis as well. The pumpkin adds fiber and will help you during the transition for firmer poops. My Mila is a pitbull as well. 🙂

  • Crazy4dogs

    I use pure canned pumpkin & kefir. For his size I would add 1 tablespoon of each @ each meal. You can use it just during the transition. I often add it on a fairly regular basis.

  • *CMC*

    Please explain the pumpkin and yogurt. Do I add that to the food all the time or just during the transition? How much should I add to each feeding. Rocco is a 75lb american pitbull who eats twice a day(breakfast & dinner).

  • SandyandMila

    Pure Balance is definitely a better choice and I’m sure your dog will feel a whole lot better. Slow transition is good especially if you’ve been on the Ol’Roy for awhile. But by adding some canned pumpkin (not pumpkin pie) an some probiotics (kefir, plain yogurt, etc) should help the process and firm up the poop. I’ve noticed myself sometimes the poop can be sloppy if the serving is too much. Just something to look for. I hope your pup feels better soon. 🙂

  • *CMC*

    I have noticed my dog has frequent diarrhea and thought I should google Ol’Roy and what do you know it is a horrible food. I plan to switch my boy to Pure Balance. Do you recommend the slow transition still as this is a horrible food?

  • murphmobile

    The only difference here is that the animals eating the “junk food” are perfectly healthy. If that is the case, then their owners are already doing the “right” thing.

  • Pitlove

    As you can read by the ingrident list alone Ol’Roy is extremely poor quality food and uses poor quality ingridents deemed not fit for human consumption. If your dog is healthy otherwise and has no known dietry restrictions I would suggest making a SLOW switch to a higher quality natural food that has more actual meat and less meat by-products and corn

  • Jacob

    Can someone please answer why is the Ol Roy dog food making my dogs stomach upset and it smells like rotting eggs when he toots?

  • ShepAussie

    Thanks for sharing Qi. I am sure a lot of other dogs have also had health problems, cancer and did not live as long as they could have because of eating a poor quality diet. A raw or slightly cooked diet is the healthiest and best diet for a dog, cat or other carnivore to eat.

  • Crazy4cats

    BaaaaHaaaa! LOL! I have to admit, CousinVinny, you are pretty funny even though you feed the “dreaded” Ol’ Roy kibble.

  • LabsRawesome

    I’m pretty sure that is one of the “multiple” people from awhile ago. “They” used to randomly attack other foods, and promote Fromm too. I think they need a screwdriver, cause they have a few loose screws.

  • CousinVinny

    Lucky, LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • aquariangt

    “turn your computer off if you can’t take it. There is a lot of crap in a dog food that costs more than a side of beef”

    Still holding to my previous comment of ….what?

  • Rammsteinfan

    WOW why are you so angry. I feed my babies Fromm and they do wonderful on that. I am wondering about NV and their rabbit, why do they not get it from the good old USA? It’s got to be cheaper then importing it from China..oooops I mean France.

  • Crazy4cats

    I think it’s very awesome that you rescued those unwanted huge hairy dogs! I think it would be even awesomer if you fed them a tad bit better, but most importantly they have a very warm bed and love. Do they at least get some fresh foods such as healthy left overs now and then? I hope, I hope, I hope. I have two very large dogs along with four rescued cats that I adore! Talk about a hairy house! Oh, yes, and two human boys as well.

  • Crazy4cats

    I think you need to add a few cats in the mix!!!

  • DogFoodie

    Dog ma

  • Dog_Obsessed

    May I point out this is a dog site? I mean, cats are important too, but the assumption of “crazy cat lady” does seem rather odd on a dog food site.

  • Dori

    Thank you so much Melanie. You have no idea how much I value you and others that have been so kind and accepting of me here on DFA.

  • Dog_Obsessed

    A reply to everyone, awesome is what you are! 🙂

  • Melanie

    Dori that was so sweet. I had no idea your son had passed and I am so sorry. You are the sweetest senior citizen ever and like I said in a previous post from awhile ago, I have no idea how I started following you on this site. Must have pressed something on my IPad. Every time you post something I get an email and I start reading everyone’s posts and I have to chime in. We all love you here and your posts!!!

  • Dori

    Not any food that I feed my three but you are certainly welcome to feed your dogs whatever you feel is best for them and yourself as we all do. This discussion on who makes Ol Roy and Pure Balance is a discussion that has been beaten to death. Had to taken the time to read old posts on both food review sides you would realized what my little quip was about. You are entitled to believe whatever you wish to about where they get their rabbit. Don’t feed the food to your dogs, frankly I’m pretty sure that no one on this site could care less. If your dogs are healthy with whatever food you feed your dogs than that is exactly what you should be feeding them. That’s what we care about here on DFA. I feed my three dogs what is best for them. They are three happy healthy lively vibrant thriving dogs. Good luck to you and your dogs. Actually, I’m not in the least bit being sarcastic. I truly do mean that. I want for all dogs to be well, healthy and thrive. They are all different as are we and they cannot all eat the same food and thrive. I’m also too much of a lady to be insulting to anyone, most especially, if they were attempting to correct an error.

  • Dori

    I’m a senior citizen by age (not mentally or physically) with a husband and three dogs. I had a son, he passed away 8 years ago (9 come August 1st…my only child). Have no cats, I’m allergic to them and even if I wasn’t, cats aren’t my thing. What am I anybody????? I’m a loving, caring, wife and “mom” to three dogs that I simply love to pieces and they show me unconditional love as I do to them. My friends and family know that they can always depend and count on me for everything and anything and I am always there for them. I had a beautiful loving son whom I expect to someday be reunited with as I will be with all the dogs that have crossed over. I truly resent and see no need for anyone to pigeon hole any of us when they truly haven’t got a clue who we are.

  • Melanie

    I’m a chick with 2 kids and 2 dogs and no cats. What am I DogFoodie?

  • Melanie

    Not sure if that comment was friendly or not. I’m not here to create waves in any discussion. I usually read and post after work while throwing a ball to my lab and watching my 2 kids play in the backyard. I’m posting this one as I make dinner for my human family with my lab and chi at my feet. We are not all kid less cat ladies on this site but we do love input from our cat ladies and don’t take offense to their comments.

  • Dori

    Yes DO, my point was that this Ol Roy, Pure Balance argument had been discussed and argued so many times on the Pure Balance review that I couldn’t believe that it had come around so soon again. Thx.

  • Melanie

    It does sound like you love them. I’m not going to pitch any food brand to you. You just need to know there are soooo many affordable good quality dog foods out there that don’t contain artificial colors, corn, soy, animal by products and so on. Someone recommended Pure Balance from Walmart. Super good ingredients without the hefty price tag. Believe me I can’t afford to feed my dogs super expensive food. Good luck to you and your fur family.

  • DogFoodie

    Maybe it’s you who has nothing better to do than sit and talk to your dogs all day.

  • DogFoodie

    Cat man, dude.

  • Dog_Obsessed

    Um, what? I think what Dori meant was that there has been a lot of controversy on DFA on the owner of Pure Balance, and I had incorrect information. Is this what you meant Dori?

  • CousinVinny

    And actually Melanie someone else replying to my comments recommended some other “high-end” dog food to me, I forget the name sorry, but anyway I researched it, and many people indicated that it made their dogs vomit violently and or the dogs would not eat it. And they did indicate that the vomiting was not due to them changing the dogs food too soon. I feel no mater what I feed my dogs, somebody is just not going to like it. I WONDER IF ANYONE CARES THAT I RESCUED 3 VERY LARGE DOGS THAT NOBODAY WANTED, THAT SHED ALL DAY IN MY HOUSE, THAT I HAVE TO WALK 5 TIMES A DAY, BECAUSE I WANT TO, AND I LOVE AND KISS THEM ALL DAY AND THEY SLEEP IN MY BED. AND SOMETIMES I CANNOT LAY WITH MY LEGS STRAIGHT OUT IN MY BED BECAUSE MY DOGS ARE SO DARN BIG!!! BUT I LOVE THEM………………………..

  • aquariangt

    I’m a dude without kids, what does that make me?

  • CousinVinny

    OMG!!! I feel like I am being attacked by every ‘Cat-Lady’ that never had any kids and has nothing to do all day but to talk to their cats and post comments here, LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Melanie

    BTW I feed my dog Taste of the Wild and I do get alot of heat for it since it’s a diamond product and they’ve had alot of recalls. I’ve tried to switch to something else because of what the people on this site have taught me about that food. My dogs just do really well on it and the ingredient list is wonderful unlike Ol Roy.

  • Melanie

    These people on DFA are trying to help you and your dogs, not fight against you. I feel like the FDA is quite lenient on many things. For them to actually issue a warning on traces of pentobarbital being found in this food is a huge deal!!! Even without pentobarbital being in this food it’s a horrible food. The ingredient list gives that away. That’s what Mike goes by when he rates these foods. Educate yourself. Your dogs livelihood depends on it. Poor things.

  • aquariangt


  • Rammsteinfan

    turn your computer off if you can’t take it. There is a lot of crap in a dog food that costs more than a side of beef

  • Shawna

    You are correct to a degree CousinVinny. I have stated it many times, I actually enjoy arguing and debating but it isn’t due to pent up tension. Rather, it helps me expand my mind and become a better pet parent — and hopefully help a few others along the way.

    Aspartame was denied use in foods for 10 years until Donald Rumsfeld became CEO of JD Searle. The current “czar” of the FDA is a former lawyer for Monsanto and is known for bouncing between government and industry. Two small examples but you hopefully get my point. It’s industry run government that allows things like pentobarbital in dog foods and such. There’s actually laws against this kind of thing but with every law there is an industry loophole somewhere. I think I’m more educated than you give me credit for. 🙂

  • Dori

    Actually millie, there is very little, if anything at all, that is right with this food. Please read in the ingredients list very carefully and ask yourself would you yourself it anything in this food. Do you even know what all the things are that is in this food.

  • Crazy4cats

    Oh no, CousinVinny, you have it all wrong. I’m the crazy cat lady that would love to retire in Disney Land! Have a great day.

  • CousinVinny

    I really do not care for your condescending
    tone about mine or anyone else’s financial means here. I truly believe you blog here as a self righteous
    release from some personal pent up tension you may have, IE: The Cat Lady???
    What is really amazing is that you have no idea who runs the FDA or other
    Federally Funded Agencies. The Almighty
    dollar weighs much in the federal government’s departmental data, and I feel
    very sorry for you if you cannot see that. Maybe a permanent residency in Disney Land
    would be an adequate retirement home for one viewing the world through rose
    colored glasses…

  • Shawna

    I’m not exactly sure how posting pertinent and reliable data from the FDA and US Fish & Wildlife Service websites is “hounding”? If you didn’t want opinions, why did you post your opinion to another here? It’s a blog, that’s what happens here.

    I couldn’t really care less if you feed Ol’ Roy (feel sorry for your dogs) but if it is what you can afford then so be it. There’s no shame in doing the best within your means. What I do care about is that people understand that meat and bone meal is NOT a suitable food for livestock let alone pets. If the person’s finances ever change, they will have the knowledge to pick something better for their pets.

    For the record, I feed a rotational diet including canned and raw and have zero vested interest in any company or brand. Additionally, I wouldn’t feed ANY kibble to my dogs if I could personally afford to do so. Nobody here, that has posted to you, has a personal vendetta against Ol’ Roy. We just know how to read an ingredient label.

  • CousinVinny

    Like I told you and whoever else is on the Anti-Ol’ Roy campaign, of my 3 large, incredibly healthy dogs my girl Missy, the Bull Terrier is over 12 years old and jumping around like a puppy still. I just think some people here may have a vested interest in these other dog food companies. I would appreciate not being hounded by anyone with a personal vendetta against Ol’ Roy dog food, Thank you…

  • JeremyScott10

    Yes something is wrong with the food. It was given only one star because of the inferior ingredients. Dogs love the food because of the flavor enhancers like the salt and natural flavor. If you don’t want to take a chance on your dog dying from cancer or some other disease, I would get her on a healthier food…and make sure to rotate brands and proteins. Also, consider some digestive enzymes and probiotics to help maximize digestion and support immune system.

  • DogFoodie

    From what I could find, your Ol’ Roy probably has around 275 kcals per cup. It would take just under 12 cups per day of your Ol’ Roy to feed just your St. Bernard, or you could feed him about 7.5 cups per day of Victor Hi Pro Plus with 429 kcals per cup. Victor is a nutrient dense, five star food. You can usually buy a 40 pound bag of Victor grain inclusive food locally for $39.99. Victor has very few controversial ingredients, compared to your Ol’ Roy, which is made up almost entirely of controversial ingredients. That’s just one example, with one dog. That’s also a lot of waste. You must spend hours cleaning up poop.

    You could be getting your dog Victor for about 15% to 20% more than what you’re paying for Ol’ Roy. But, I have a feeling that the quality of the food you feed your dog is irrelevant. The bottom line is that .48¢ per pound price point, which makes it perfect for your dogs. It’s at least enough to sustain life for a little while.

  • Dog_Obsessed

    Thanks for clarifying! I thought that the bag had said “by the makers of Ol’ Roy at some point. I thought that maybe the person was talking about Pure Balance when they “a good Ol’ Roy,” because I didn’t understand how any kind of Ol’ Roy could be good.

  • CousinVinny

    Hi, well my Saint Bernard weighs 200 lbs. and it is not fat, my Jacksonville Hound is about 145 lbs. and he can clear a six foot fence from a standing jump , my little girl the Bull Terrier weighs 65 lbs. and she is all muscle!!!
    That is were I believe 150 lbs. of dog food goes, And I run them everyday…

  • Dori

    Oh Lord! Not this same discussion again?

  • Hater & Molly’s Mom

    Ol Roy is manfactured by Doane Pet Food owned by Mars pet food who makes Pedigree for one as well as many other not so good brands. Pure Balance is manfactured. By Ainsworth a reputable manufacturer. Didnt want anyone thinking they were one of the same.

  • DogFoodie

    If your dogs were eating a better, more nutrient dense food, they wouldn’t be eating 150 pounds per month.

  • Shawna

    “Meat And Bone Meal, Ground Yellow Corn, Ground Wheat, Corn Gluten Meal, Animal Fat[Preserved With BHA And Citric Acid], Wheat Middlings, Soybean Meal, Natural Flavor, Salt”

    Those are the first few ingredients in Ol’ Roy High Performance. There’s lots wrong with this ingredient list but I’d like to focus on just two of the ingredients — meat and bone meal and animal fat.

    The FDA says that these two ingredients can be contaminated with the euthanasia drug pentobarbital. Here’s the quote from their site and the link.

    “There appear to be associations between rendered or hydrolyzed ingredients and the presence of pentobarbital in dog food. The ingredients Meat and Bone Meal (MBM), Beef and Bone Meal (BBM), Animal Fat (AF), and Animal Digest (AD) are rendered or hydrolyzed from animal sources that could include euthanized animals.” http://www.fda.gov/AboutFDA/CentersOffices/OfficeofFoods/CVM/CVMFOIAElectronicReadingRoom/ucm129134.htm

    Not every brand of Ol’ Roy was tested but the FDA did find pento in the brands of Ol’ Roy that they did test (edit – High Performance was one of the foods tested and was found to be contaminated) “Confirmed for the presence of pentobarbital?” http://www.fda.gov/AboutFDA/CentersOffices/OfficeofFoods/CVM/CVMFOIAElectronicReadingRoom/ucm129135.htm

    The FDA does say that the small amounts found in food are not considered problematic but the US Fish and Wildlife Service strongly disagrees with that. They say
    “Rendering is not an acceptable way to dispose of a pentobarbital-tainted carcass. The drug residues are not destroyed in the rendering process, so the tissues and by-products may contain poison and must not be used for animal feed….

    All pentobarbital-euthanized carcasses should be prominently tagged with one or more highly-visible “POISON” warning labels. Bagged animals should have a label affixed to the carcass itself and also attached to the outside of the bag.” http://cpharm.vetmed.vt.edu/USFWS/USFWSFPentobarbFactSheet.pdf

    Your pets may seem healthy now but you may very well be slowly poisoning them. A human or dog is not healthy and then all the sudden sick. The kidneys as one example have to be over 70% damaged before blood work can identify a problem. Symptoms may be unrecognizable at this point but at this point the kidneys are unable to recover and the dog is now considerer in the beginning stages of kidney disease.

  • CousinVinny

    Thank you for your information, Ol’ Roy makes this also… Ol’ Roy: Dog High Performance Food , this is the one I have been feeding my dogs. They are all very big and healthy, active dogs. I don’t know I think no matter what brand we use someone won’t like it. Also my dogs eat 150 lbs. of food a month!!!

  • Dog_Obsessed

    Ol’ Roy food is definitely not high-quality. Reference the review above. However, the makers of Ol’ Roy also make Pure Balance, which is a good food.

  • CousinVinny

    Yes they have a High Quality Ol’Roy that I have been feeding my Saint Bernard, Jacksonville Hound, and Bull Terrier , she is 12 years old. and btw when I see all the dog food recalls it is usually for the “so-called” better brands???

  • I want to know who makes it, I thought they had their own company. My dog is 9 years old and I have always fed him the Ol’ Roy Kibbles & Chunks and I want to know what the white ones in the food are made out of because he eats the white ones out of it and he’s done and his daddy does the same thing. They LOVE the white ones. They will eventually eat the rest of it if they get hungry and I don’t put more white ones in it, but I”m curious to know why they eat the white ones, they obviously taste better but why? I’ve heard bad stuff about this brand all the time and I’ve heard good stuff.

    All I know is I’ve been feeding it to my dog for 9 years and haven’t had a problem with it. I feed my dog scraps and he eats when I eat and what I eat and then when he is done eating whatever we have for supper he goes and eats his dogfood. I’ve never seen a dog do that. I’ve had other dogs that WOULD NOT eat dogfood if I fed them human food, but he does it everytime, he will eat whatever I’m eating and when we are done he will go eat him dogfood.

    But I would really love to know why he eats the white ones out of it and leaves the rest, like I said he will eat the other eventually but if they made a bag with just the white ones he would gorge himself and eat everyone of them until they were gone and he would make himself pop or sick. He loves them. This is gross but it makes me want to taste the white ones and then taste the other ones because he’s not the only dog that does it. I wanna know what’s in those white ones. I would pay to have them make me a special bag of just the white ones and I would just give him a bowl at a time, he would be the happiest dog on the planet.

    I would also like to know what the difference is in Kibbles N Bits and Ol’ Roy Kibbles N Chunks besides the price. I thought about buying a small bag of Kibbles N” Bits to see if my dog liked it but I don’t want to waste my money, like they say if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. I wanted to email the company and ask them about the white ones but I have no idea where to go, I have searched everywhere but I can’t find who makes it or an Ol’ Roy company and that is a little strange to me.

  • pitlove

    his dogs get the corn, not the kids

  • pitlove


    Just a whole bunch of people, making up a whole bunch of lies. Right?

  • Than Oliver

    that can happen when changing a dogs food.

  • Bill Brothers

    Sounds like all the other made up tales on here, lol……smh

  • Bill Brothers

    I fed my rotty ole roy for 15 years with him having no health issues, some folks go extreme on an assumption. We have 8 dogs from 7 years to 18 years and they will not eat anything else.

  • aimee

    Hi Michelle,
    Thanks for posting about your experience with Ol Roy

  • LabsRawesome

    Congratulations. Even though you give Ol’roy a great review, I’m not switching my dogs to it any time soon. Please read the review above. Ol’roy has ZERO good ingredients. It does have BHA, titanium dioxide, yellow#6, Yellow #5, red#40, blue#2, AND Menadione. NO THANK YOU. My dogs deserve better. Please consider switching to a more reasonable food, how about one with some actual real food ingredients. Pure Balance, Rachael Ray Zero Grain, 4health. These foods do cost a little more, but you feed less, so it averages out.

  • GSDsForever

    I think of this the same way I would think of feeding children.

    If my children would only eat ice cream or Coco Puffs Cereal or McDonald Chicken McNuggets, that doesn’t mean they would get to make that choice at every meal. I would still make the decisions and feed them a healthful diet.

    Weaning a dog or a child (or adult) off junk food may be challenging, but it’s the right thing to do and achievable.

  • Been feeding our dogs this for years never had any problems with it. All dogs are different just like we are.

  • Kimi_Forever

    Maybe you should take your animal to the emergency clinic that open 24 hours, that is if one is accessible to you. probably too late to do that though at this point. How some people get away with feeding foods like this is beyond me. Sorry for your loss and i hope your 12yr makes it out without anything permanent. maybe try a food like fromm classics in the future…

  • Delton Perrodin

    Sorry for your kids, Bob. Sounds like some corn in their diet would do them some good.

  • Bob K

    I feed my kids, sugared cereals, watermelon, and greasy french fries and they look great too. Once a week I splurge on oatmeal and some hot dogs.

  • Delton Perrodin

    My friend has three Labs and has fed them Ol’ Roy from puppies (15 years ago for the oldest) to now. They are all beautiful dogs.

  • Hater & Molly’s Mom

    You could always add some leftover lean meats as a topper. You can even add an egg to boost the protein. Canned sardines are good too.

  • Denise Ballerstein King

    I hope it doesn’t make my dogs sick. I am out of dog food until friday, so a friend bought me a bag of ol roy. I certainly feel bad feeding them this after reading all of the comments. I just keep telling myself only 4 more days.

  • Dog_Obsessed

    I’m not surprised. This food is horrible. Have you switched foods?

  • Hannah Wheelwright

    dont get this stuff, my dog is shedding his hair way more than usual.

  • Chauncey Moore

    Got this for my dog, for 3 days he would not eat. Finally Im guessing from simply being hungry enough he tried it. threw up minutes after every time he ate it. Replaced the food with a brand I know he likes. He’s eating normal and no puking.

    Called their comment # and got a refund.
    I highly recommend you stay away from this brand.
    Spend the 50 cents more on the next.

  • Fredrick Kevin Ellingson

    I have been feeding Ol”Roy complete nutrition to my three dogs for well over a year now with no problems. I do live in the remote northern part of Alberta, so they do get added frozen fish (in winter) and often have some sort of bone left over after a moose kill. My dogs are a German shepherd/Dalmatian cross and the other two are terrier/spaniel crosses, so by no means the stereotypical northern sled dogs that so many think we have in the north…

  • DogFoodie

    Friday’s not far off. They’ll be okay on it for a few more days. You could add some fresh lean meat or sardines to improve their diet while they’re eating it. Or you could also consider Pure Balance, also made by Ol’ Roy and sold at Wal-Mart. If your bag isn’t opened you could exchange it.

    It sounds like this isn’t your regular food. What do you normally feed your dogs?

  • TheInspired Wolf

    This is sickening…. I didn’t know any of this and I just bought it today because I needed something to last them til this friday :/ … smh

  • Bob K

    Monica – Did you contact the Mfg of Old Roy? Did you document the batch and serial numbers? Where do you store the kibble, How long have you had the kibble? What were the expiration dates? Why did you switch to one of the cheapest and lowest rated kibbles available? All of a sudden one day half the bag had fungus? Is this the first time you even looked at the kibble? You bought it, you fed it to your loved ones and now you are bent out of shape. I suspect if you take it back to where you bought it they would refund your money. What were your dogs eating before? Why the stitch to Old Roy? Hopefully you transitioned slowly to Old Roy.

  • theBCnut

    You might have to resize your picture to post it.

  • Monica

    Really upset. I just contacted the FDA about the bag of dog food I have. Half the bag of dog food has fungus growing all over it. I fed my dogs this food at night, and couldn’t see it. The next day, I noticed it in the bowl. .. looking in the bag…. and was sick bu what I saw. Feel bad my babies ate this nasty crap. I tried to load a picture, but it keeps rejecting it.

  • Cyndi

    Actually, the Pure Balance, which is made by Ol’ Roy & found at Walmart, is much better than Iams or Purina Dog Chow.

  • Patrick Mason

    I only feed Iams to my dog, which is available at Walmart, I would never feed Ol’ Roy to any dog, if I need a more affordable dog food I would go with Purina Dog Chow.

  • Cassie Phillips

    I wouldn’t feed this food to a starving dog on the side of the road.

  • Good brands with few fillers are much less expensive than they seem at first glance. You feed half as much as you do with the ones with corn and/or wheat, so it works out to be half as expensive than the sticker price.

  • cawgrl87

    Around 1 or 2 is when allergy symptoms show. I would guess your dog has an allergy to an ingredient. My dog had a reaction to kibble and bits so I switched him back to pure balance. Its grain free and main ingredient is meat. Its twice as much as old roy but they really do eat less if it’s good quality. Wal-Mart is 45 minutes away so when I can’t make it there, I buy Lassie from dollar General. Its middle grade but decent protien and also grain free. I’d switch the dog food asap. If it’s allergies, the rash may turn into a bloody infected mess.

  • cawgrl87

    I typically feed pure balance but was looking for something cheaper. U get what u pay for. After coming home and reading this, I regret buying the 50 lb bag. Won’t buy it again. I’ll stick with pure balance who’s main ingredient is a named meat source and who lacks grains and other known allergens. Just have to grit my teeth at checkout.

  • Mandy

    We fed this (rotating ole roy flavors) to our beautiful husky mix. We got her around 6 weeks old and she died 5 months shy of her 18th birthday. She was a farm dog. We never knew it was a “bad” food. It was cheap and she liked it. She died of old age…slightly deaf and blind the last year or so…but other than that healthy. You didn’t break your dog 14 years ago. You bought into the hype that you weren’t doing good enough for your baby and wanted to do better. Not all dogs are the same. About a year after she died we learned about the dog food adviser. We gradually switched or remaining dog who was only a few years old at the time to Blue Buffalo. He got bloody diarrhea and vomiting. Tried other foods…he had nasty stools and gas on all of them. He’s now on 4Health but not as healthy looking as he was on the cheap food. I’m sick of spending so much money on expensive foods. We’re trying to figure out what to do next.

  • Danielle

    I’ve feed this to my dog for his whole life he’s 17 years old. Never had a problem until now with my American Bulldog/Pitbull I think she’s allergic to an ingredient plus she has loose poop. I know it’s not good food, but affordable. I’m looking at switching to Pure Balance or Kirklands.

  • Drako Marley

    dont worry this site is on my blocklist as of now i dont put up wiith nazis on the internet.

  • Drako Marley

    lol wrong when did i say that?

  • Betsy Greer

    I know what you’re feeding your dog, because you said you were feeding Ol’ Roy and I was polite in my response to you.

    No need to be so rude.

    BTW, I don’t have the ability to delete posts and I didn’t even flag yours.

  • LabsRawesome

    Actually the video was uploaded in March of 2011, which is 3 years, not 4. I am sure you did not watch the video, as your only purpose here is to flame. The video has pertinent information on how to choose a dog food. Not that you care.

  • Your comment was deleted because you used indecent language. Posting here is a privilege.

    If you continue with your discourteous behavior, you will permanently forfeit your posting privileges.

    Please consider yourself duly warned.

  • Jo Lene Dawn Sonesen

    I feed my dogs Taste of the Wild I was reading the feeding instructions on O’Roy’s food 5-6 cups twice a day. I feed my dogs 2 cups twice a day. I guess you have to feed so much because there is nothing good in it.

  • Drako Marley

    lol what how do you know what im feeding my dog internet palmreader nice going btw deleting my comment just cuz i said 4 year info/video was useless