Victor Select Dog Food (Dry)

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Rating: ★★★★☆

Victor Select dog food receives the Advisor’s second-highest tier rating of 4 stars.

The Victor Select product line includes ten dry dog foods, six claimed to meet AAFCO nutrient profiles for all life stages and four for adult maintenance (High Energy, Performance Formula, Multi-Pro Maintenance and Senior/Healthy Weight .

The following is a list of recipes available at the time of this review.

  • Victor Select High Energy
  • Victor Select Hi Pro Plus (5 stars)
  • Victor Select Ocean Fish Formula
  • Victor Select Professional Formula
  • Victor Select Performance Formula
  • Victor Select Lamb Meal and Brown Rice
  • Victor Select Multi-Pro Maintenance (3.5 stars)
  • Victor Select Beef Meal and Brown Rice (3.5 stars)
  • Victor Select Senior/Healthy Weight Formula (4.5 stars)
  • Victor Select Chicken Meal and Brown Rice with Lamb Meal

Victor Select Professional Formula was selected to represent the other products in the line for this review.

Victor Select Professional Formula

Dry Dog Food

Estimated Dry Matter Nutrient Content

Protein = 29% | Fat = 20% | Carbs = 44%

Ingredients: Beef meal, whole ground grain sorghum, chicken meal, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), whole ground millet, pork meal, dehydrated alfalfa meal, flaxseed (source of omega 3 fatty acid), oat meal, potassium chloride, dried kelp, yeast culture, montmorillonite, monosodium phosphate, tomato pomace (source of lycopene), whole carrots, dried celery pomace, dried beet pomace, dried parsley pomace, dried lettuce pomace, dried watercress pomace, dried spinach pomace, l-lysine, Yucca schidigera extract, choline chloride, hydrolyzed yeast, taurine, dried chicory root, l-carnitine, zinc sulfate, ferrous sulfate, vitamin E supplement, zinc amino acid chelate, iron amino acid chelate, selenium yeast, vitamin B12 supplement, niacin (vitamin B3), copper sulfate, d-calcium pantothenate (vitamin B5), vitamin A supplement, copper amino acid chelate, manganese sulfate, thiamine mononitrate (vitamin B1), biotin (vitamin B7), magnesium amino acid chelate, manganese amino acid chelate, riboflavin supplement (vitamin B2), pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin D3 supplement, calcium iodate, lecithin, folic acid (vitamin B9), oil of rosemary, dried Enterococcus faecium fermentation product, dried Lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation product, dried Aspergillus niger fermentation product, dried Bacillus subtilis fermentation product

Fiber (estimated dry matter content) = 4.2%

Red items when present indicate controversial ingredients

Estimated Nutrient Content
MethodProteinFatCarbs
Guaranteed Analysis26%18%NA
Dry Matter Basis29%20%44%
Calorie Weighted Basis24%40%36%

The first ingredient in this dog food is beef meal. Beef meal is considered a meat concentrate and contains nearly 300% more protein than fresh beef.

The second ingredient is sorghum. Sorghum (milo) is a starchy cereal grain with a nutrient profile similar to corn.

Since it is gluten-free and boasts a smoother blood sugar behavior than other grains, sorghum may be considered an acceptable non-meat ingredient.

The third ingredient includes chicken meal, another protein-rich meat concentrate.

The fourth ingredient is chicken fat. Chicken fat is obtained from rendering chicken, a process similar to making soup in which the fat itself is skimmed from the surface of the liquid.

Chicken fat is high in linoleic acid, an omega-6 fatty acid essential for life. Although it doesn’t sound very appetizing, chicken fat is actually a quality ingredient.

The fifth ingredient is millet, a gluten-free grain harvested from certain seed grasses. Millet is hypoallergenic and naturally rich in B-vitamins and fiber as well as other essential minerals.

The sixth ingredient includes pork meal, yet another high protein meat concentrate.

The seventh ingredient is alfalfa meal. Although alfalfa meal is high in plant protein (about 18%) and fiber (25%), this hay-family item is more commonly associated with horse feeds.

The eighth ingredient is flaxseed, one of the best plant sources of healthy omega-3 fatty acids. Provided they’ve first been ground into a meal, flax seeds are also rich in soluble fiber.

However, flaxseed contains about 19% protein, a factor that must be considered when judging the actual meat content of this dog food.

The ninth ingredient is oatmeal, a whole-grain product made from coarsely ground oats. Oatmeal is naturally rich in B-vitamins, dietary fiber and can be (depending upon its level of purity) gluten-free.

From here, the list goes on to include a number of other items.

But to be realistic, ingredients located this far down the list (other than nutritional supplements) are not likely to affect the overall rating of this product.

With five notable exceptions

First, montmorillonite clay is a naturally occurring compound rich in many trace minerals. Montmorillonite has been approved for use in USDA Organic Certified products.

Reported benefits include the binding of certain mold-based toxins and even controlling diarrhea and irritable bowel syndrome (IBS).

Next, tomato pomace is a controversial ingredient, a by-product remaining after processing tomatoes into juice, soup and ketchup.

Many praise tomato pomace for its high fiber and nutrient content, while others scorn it as an inexpensive pet food filler.

Just the same, there’s probably not enough tomato pomace here to make much of a difference.

In addition, we note the inclusion of dried fermentation products in this recipe. Fermentation products are typically added to provide enzymes to aid the animal with digestion.

Next, this recipe also contains selenium yeast. Unlike the more common inorganic form of selenium (sodium selenite), this natural yeast supplement is considered a safer anti-cancer alternative.

And lastly, this food also contains chelated minerals, minerals that have been chemically attached to protein. This makes them easier to absorb. Chelated minerals are usually found in better dog foods.

Victor Select Dog Food
The Bottom Line

Judging by its ingredients alone, Victor Select dog food looks like an above average dry product.

But ingredient quality by itself cannot tell the whole story. We still need to estimate the product’s meat content before determining a final rating.

The dashboard displays a dry matter protein reading of 29%, a fat level of 20% and estimated carbohydrates of about 44%.

As a group, the brand features an average protein content of 28% and a mean fat level of 16%. Together, these figures suggest a carbohydrate content of 49% for the overall product line.

And a fat-to-protein ratio of about 58%.

Near-average protein. Near-average fat. And near-average carbs when compared to a typical dry dog food.

When you consider the protein-boosting effects of the alfalfa meal and flaxseed, this looks like the profile of a kibble containing a moderate amount of meat.

Bottom line?

Victor Select dog food is a plant-based kibble using a moderate amount of various named meat meals as its main sources of animal protein, thus earning the brand 4 stars.

Highly recommended.

Please note certain recipes are sometimes given a higher or lower rating based upon our estimate of their total meat content.

Special Alert

Rice ingredients can sometimes contain arsenic. Until the US FDA establishes safe upper levels for arsenic content, pet owners may wish to limit the total amount of rice fed in a dog's daily diet.

A Final Word

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Each review is offered in good faith and has been designed to help you make a more informed decision when buying dog food.

However, our rating system is not intended to suggest feeding a particular product will result in specific health benefits for your pet.

For a better understanding of how we analyze each product, please read our article, "The Problem with Dog Food Reviews".

Remember, no dog food can possibly be appropriate for every life stage, lifestyle or health condition. So, choose wisely. And when in doubt, consult a qualified veterinary professional for help.

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Notes and Updates

11/30/2010 Original review
04/14/2011 Review updated
06/07/2011 Review updated
09/27/2011 Review updated
06/28/2012 Review updated
04/21/2012 Review updated
04/21/2013 Last Update

  • Pattyvaughn

    Wow, that is impressive!! Kudos to Victor!!

  • Hound Dog Mom

    BTW – The formula with the highest % of animal-based protein is their grain-inclusive Hi Pro formula. Good example of how all grain free kibbles aren’t necessarily superior to grain inclusive kibbles in terms of animal derived protein.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Just visited Victor’s website and noticed they now are posting the % protein in each formula that is derived from animal sources, the % protein from vegetable sources and the % protein from grains. This is impressive! I don’t know of any other companies that openly disclose this information and some (as we all know) are very evasive when asked this. Bravo Victor!

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Victor kibbles are very small. I don’t see why small kibbles would be an issue for a large dog? I’d go with the Ultra Pro grain-free.

  • Pattyvaughn

    Since dogs mostly don’t chew much anyway, I’m not sure that there is any such thing as kibble being too small. I would go with the Hi Pro Plus or the High Energy because I don’t like feeding Giant breeds huge meals. Try it and see how he does. And let us know what you decide about how he does on it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/SmithnSmith Robert Smith

    I have most of my dogs on Victor and want to put my Great Pyrs on it as well, What formula would you recommend? My only concern is will the kibbles be too small..
    thanks Robert

  • Grub2

    I have a six month old Great Dane on Victor Hi Pro Plus, plus a nine month old Douge De Bourdeux,English Bulldog,Boxer,Pitt Bull,and German Short Haired Pointer. this great dog food for all of them. The cal/phos is 1.4 to 1.0,which is fine for giant breed puppies. The Great Dane and Mastiff are slow growing beautifully.The cals are 450 per cup. My dog’s are very active too(live on a ranch). Hope this helps you. Oh I love the Victor dog food even over Acana.

  • lilo’smom

    The Beef meal & Brown rice in a really good option. You can get 40lb bags at a time for a great price. they also have a chicken and brown rice that are nearly the same price wise.
    I have customers who have St. Bernard puppies to customers who have full grown(and growing) Danes and Mastiffs on this food who have done very well. If the stool is having a difficult time firming up, Try some Animal Essentials Pro biotic.

  • Kelly

    What bag do you feed? I am concerned with the Calcium/Phosphorous level but want to feed my GD and Bullmastiff the Active series.

  • Kelly

    Which bag of Victor’s Dog Food should I feed? I have a 2 yr old 115 lb Great Dane and a 1 yr old 105 lb Bullmastiff who are pretty active. When they eat grain free, they go through too much food to keep weight. I am wondering if anyone with extra large breeds feed their dogs the Hi-Pro of Hi-Select?

    Thanks

  • scott engle

    My Lab is 9 years old, she has been on Pro-Plan since she was a pup. In March of 2011 Kim at MY Feed Store in Conroe, Texas got me to try Victor on her and my other 5 Labs. Since then she has never looked so good. Her coat shines like never before and seems to have more energy. Thinking about changing from blue bag to something more suited for her as arthritus has set into her hips. All the other dogs look great also. I free feed and always had a problem with the dogs getting into the cat food. Cured that issue also. The cats are on the dog food also and look great, no more shedding, itching and seem healthier.

  • melissaandcrew

     Hi trish-

    I think we actually agree on the color and where a gene can come from.  But, one thing-just because AKC only recognizes dogs in certain colors, does not mean that other colors can not and do not exist(though we do agree on the pit carrying the rainbow of colors, lol) Genetics is way too involved to discuss on a dog food site, but saying if you want brindle you must have a brindle parent is, over simplistic as genes can be “odd creatures”and the expression of said gene can vary.

  • trish

    melissaandcrew,
    I was not refering to any other breeds only the comment made about how a pitbull could only be blue if it was bred to a bullmastiff. Dont blame a color on a certain breed. Pitbulls come in a wide variety of colors.  Bullmastiffs come in red, fawn, red fawn and brindle, thats it. If you want brindle pups you have to have a brindle parent, doesnt matter if you have a heavy brindle line or not. In pit litters you can have a rainbow of colors.  Their blue gene is coming from there and not the bullmastiff.

  • Pattyvaughn

    It’s the multiple vegetable pomaces.  I read an article about hiding veg in your kids food and that was one of the benefits of adding veg pomace powders to everything.  But it said to watch sodium content.  Having extra water in the digestive tract is a good thing when it is normally incorporated in the stool, that’s why we’re supposed to eat a high fiber diet and why fiber supplements help with inconsistant bowels.  Of course too much in a dog food is just filler.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    Hi Patty,

    I’m curious, when you say this (abut some of the ingredients absorbing water) are there particular ingredients you see listed that might be culprits?

  • Pattyvaughn

    Several of the ingredients are going to absorb water and that water is not going to be resorbed in the large intestine.  It looks like it could be a high fiber food. That could be why you are having increased water consumption, but your not reporting increased urination.  If you want to stick with this food, I would suggest giving a probiotic and digestive enzyme supplement at least until the stool firms up.  That will help them to get all the nutrition out of the food and give their body a chance to adjust, then you’ll be able to feed the appropriate amount.

  • Bob K

     Sibelady – How long have you been feeding your dog this food?  Do all the dogs have soft stools?  How long have you been using this bag and specific formula?  Did you transition slowly from the old dog food to the new?  You don’t just switch dog foods.  What is the expiration date on the
    food?  Where are you storing the food?  Is your dog getting into any
    lake, river or swamp water?  Snow mold?  Why did you change dog foods? 
    When was the last time you have a complete parasite test including Giardia and Cryptro?  

  • Sibelady

    I am having a lot of issues with soft stools since switching to the Victor Performance formula.  Anyone experience this?  The “dealer” said to cut back the amount but the dogs are losing weight and are practically starving in between meals.  My pet sitter also noticed that my eldest bitch is drinking a lot more water than she used to.  Any thoughts on what could be causing these problems?  I have 7 otherwise healthy Siberian Huskies.  

  • InkedMarie

    There are some people who have to give up their animals and I understand that but a stray? I can’t get by that.

  • Netti

    Thank you Pattyvaughn and InkedMarie for your encouragement. It is sickening how disposable animals can be to some people. To them I guess they are more an accessory than a family member. Our Animal Control officer told me that people from the city nearby come to our little town to dump their dogs. He knows all the dogs in town (yes, this place is really small) so he’s a good source of information. If somebody would have claimed her I wouldn’t have given her back to them but instead file a cruelty report.

  • Pattyvaughn

    I don’t think they ever do forget starving.  Thank you for having mercy on this poor puppy.  May she bring you years of joy.

  • InkedMarie

    Thank you for rescuing this little gal!

  • Netti

    Dear Mike,
    We wanted to thank you for this website that helped us make an educated decision on what dog food to choose for a puppy that had a very difficult start in life. On a Saturday in July last year while on a walk through our little town we found a puppy on the road. She was emaciated and scared, full of fleas. Due to her condition we took her home and let our local animal control officer know that we had her. Nobody ever claimed her. She was approximately 3 months old. We also discovered that she had tapeworm and mange. It was pityful. I got so angry at the people who did that to her for she was obviously dumped. I rushed to the local pet store that was thankfully still open and got her the housebrand puppy food. Bad choice. So on top of all her problems she immediately developed the worst case of diarrhea I’ve ever seen. Long story short, we put her on Victor and while her health issues were being treated we also supplemented with K9 Showstopper to help with the mange and flea bitten skin recovery. She now is a beautiful, happy, healthy 9 months old pup and seeing her would never suggest the state she was in. She loves her food and is still very food motivated – I guess being hungry is a memory that is not easily forgotten. I would never have found this food if it wasn’t for you and the extensive information you provide here. So again, thank you from the bottom of our hearts for helping us save a puppy’s life and have a wonderful addition to our family.

  • Pumkin

    Just when I thought my Min Pins coats couldn’t get any shiner.

    Went to local feed n tack store in Phx. Got to talking to a guy thereabout my 3 month old
    Sharpei pup scratching and losing hair. Told him she was flea, tick and mange free so he
    advised me she may be allergic to corn n wheat and introduced me to Victor dog food.
    She is 4 months now, coat almost all back and it benefitted my two min pins too! My male
    Min Pin is ALL lean muscle and his mother is almost back to her old self. Gonna keep the pins on
    Professional formula and change the pup to grain free yukon. She still itches so either she
    allergic to chicken protein or grain, so gonna eliminate both the two factors.

    Additionally, the kibble is perfect. My dogs used to swallow their food whole and I would constantly
    tell them to slow down. W Victor they are chewing the kibble and not gulping their food. I believe
    it is because they enjoy it.

    I’m happy w Victor, the price is great for the quality and I’m recommending it to my fellow pet owners.

    Finally, I read people saying they will try it and I’m interested in the follow up.

  • Kris

    I feed all my dogs (Great Pyrenees, Havanese, & English Bulldogs) Victor dog food and its wonderful…i also sell Victor in my Pet Boarding & grooming business because it such a great dog food ….Im trying to spread the word that it is one of the best dog foods on the market at a very resonable price…i also feed all my perisan and himalyan cats the Victor cat food the name of there cat food is called Mers and it is also a great pet food….before i switched them to Victor most of my pets had major skin issues (dry flaky skin) now all of them have no skin issues at all and have beautiful silky shiny coats…I LOVE VICTOR!!!!!

  • BryanV21

    Sounds like a food allergy. There’s a couple things I recommend when that’s the case…

    1. Go grain free. That’s where a lot of the problems occur, and since dogs don’t really get anything from grains anyway, you may as well do without ‘em.

    2. Get away from chicken, beef, and lamb. The first two I know are high allergens, while I usually recommend staying away from lamb because it too is used so often that problems could occur. So I push owners towards things like fish, venison, bison, and kangaroo.

    Using those two criteria only one food from Victor seems to work… their grain-free Yukon River Salmon & Sweet Potato.I’ve heard white potato can be an issue too, but since that food uses sweet potato instead, I think it could work.

  • Thompsonsodinc33

    My dogs scratch and chew there hides off and do not have fleas ! Which victor food should we use????

  • melissa

     trish-

    just saw this-it would not give you blue-at least not in the first generation. If a dog does not have “like color genes”, the offspring typically defaults to black-ex. If I bred a brown poodle(2 brown genes for the color to express) to a black poodle(both black genes) all offspring will be black-however, they will carry the brown gene-next generation-breed the black dog carrying brown to a brown(2 brown genes) and offspring could be brown or black, depending on how the genes get “distributed” : ) This of course is a very basic explanation, and much more is involved in color patterns, markings etc.

  • melissa

    afco guidelines for what? All that info is on their own website-just google it!

  • Yott Sandy

    which victor dog foods meet aafco guidelines

  • trish

     curious to know how a apbt mixed with a bullmastiff is going to give you a blue?  AKC recognized colors for a bullmastiffs are reds, brindles and fawns. 

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  • Shawna

    mOsArt ~~ interesting!!  Where do you get your info from?  I’ve always loved the bully breeds…

    Could a blue APBT also be mixed with a Stafforshire Bull Terrier.  They are blue and have big heads.  I grew up with one..  Best dog EVER…

  • melissa

    Hi MOsart-’

    I do not know if her dogs are purebred or not, don’t really care. However, APBT most assuredly come in blue-UKC as a matter of fact accepts all colors except blue eyed and the color merle.

    However, there is no “subset” to the breed called a red nose or a blue nose-its a pitbull who just so happens to have a blue nose or a red nose-this is usually found in the coat colors of red and blue and can be thought of as the nose being “self colored” rather than possessing black pigment points. Why people have started calling them by their nose color is beyond me, a and they are not in fact “rare”

  • melissa

     Todd-

    you are assuming the shelf life is 1 yr-many are 15mths to 2 years, depending on the food and preservatives. You should email Victor and ask what the shelf life is-and when did the change occur. I believe they can continue to use the bags for 6mths after-

  • mOsArt

    Wow..Diamond left much to your dogs stool?  I switched from Diamon to Victor but because of the hair loss in my 100% apbt…but none of my dogs ever experienced mush unless they ate those RawHides and they mushed the stool…but…I’m experiencing one side of my dog now scratching alot….she LOVES the bath now cause her skin is dry as a result…it wasn’t like this before I switched to Victor….grrrrr…and her coat does look great and she is filled out…

  • mOsArt

    Heads up….Your dog isn’t 100% APBT..lol NO Real apbt is BLUE…lol..NONE only if they have been mixed with Bull Mastif…you have a Bully Mix..stop referring to it as a American Pitbull because it gives the real ones a bad name….those BIG HEADED DOGS are MIXED!!….Sorry had to note cause you mentioned the color which REAL PITS aren’t BLUE never EVER

  • Todd

    a follow-up on my earlier posts of mis-labeled bags of victor chicken rice and lamb formula.  A recent check my local store, I observed that this formula is still labeled as containing fish meal, even though manufacturer claims it does not.  (there are also other differences between what is on the website and what is on the bag). the bags I just looked at had a “best by” date of 3-2013, so I’m assuming that they were made in March of this year- 6 months after I first brought this matter to the attention of this forum.  Victor, how about labeling your product accurately or correcting your website ingredient list, which ever is the case! 

  • Ashley V.

    Does anyone know if Victor has a poultry free variety? My dogs do not handle Chicken, Turkey, or Duck well. Currently they are on another high end brand that is poultry free but I am very interested in switching to Victor if it has a poultry free variety.

  • Cpfh00

    The Victor puppy food is very small bits. A very small breed dog can eat this. From what I have seen they poop less times a day.  

  • Isaac

    Depending on the level of activity I’d recommend the Hi Pro Plus. Its the turquoise bag and on the bag it’ll say geared towards puppies. The reason being is that the protein to fat content is 30-20.

  • Orbittechpc

    i also have 2 apbts 80lbs and a chichi 4 1/2lbs and they all eat victor dog food no sweat.  

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    My pugs have not had any issues since going to a grain free and potato free food. They have no body odor and their ears barely smell anymore. My last 2 adoptees – one had problems with chewing his foot for a year while still eating grain free (but with white potato) and also a good grain-inclusive food. I thought it was outdoor allergies but he finally quit after cutting out the white potato and all grain. He was eating Core and Blue Buffalo Wilderness and Natures Variety Prairie and still chewing his feet for a year.  After going to Instinct and now Brothers, no more chewing on his feet. The other adoptee had chronic ear infections (per the vet) and she is mostly deaf.  She can still hear screaming kids playing outside though!! High pitch and clapping she can hear. Both of them had some crystals in their urine but they only take vitamin C for that.  Shawna suggested the Garden of Life Raw C and I give them d-mannose. No one has had a UTI or other urinary problem. I have 4 pugs now and foster many. You can get lots of help and suggestions at PugVillage.com.

  • S Mag

    Olde English Bulldogge. Sorry. I was just curious about the kibble sizes. I have a pug and a boxer as well. My sis-in-law has 2 pugs and was curious about the kibble size as well, hers are pretty picky eaters and one of them has allergies, frequent UTI’s, and ear infections. 

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    S Mag,

    What is an OEB? Were you looking for small or big kibble?  If no one answers your question, I would give Victor an email and ask.  I’ve asked EVO about kibble size before a couple years ago and they actually sent me a picture of the kibble against a tape measure. Quite helpful.  I don’t use Victor so I don’t know.

  • S Mag

    I was wondering about the kibble sizes. I have an OEB, he’s on science diet right now. I had tried switching him to IAMS but his skin got all irritated. So i switched him back to Science Diet. Yesterday I bought a bag of victor puppy dog food, the kibble is about pea sized. I was wondering what the sizes of the kibble is in the other stages. 

  • Kristen022

    I have 2 APBT, one blue and one white.  They both have had skin allergies and problems for years.  After trying a raw diet, which is very expensive, a friend recommended the Victor puppy food (which can be used for adult dogs since it has the protein:fat ratio that my APBT’s needed).  After only one week on the food, both of my dogs skin began to clear up and the itching and scratching stopped not to mention their coat is super shiny!  I love the Victor brand, especially for the APBT breed since they are so active.  Victor is definitely the best dog food for the price!  

  • steve

    have 4 german shepards and 1 thai ridgeback
    all have been on victor for over a year now and it
    is some of the best dog food I have seen my dogs love
    it and the skin problems with the ridgeback went away after only
    2 weeks this food is awsome
    I tip my hat to victor dog food and recommend it to
    anyone looking for a great dog food that dosent cost
    and arm and a leg

  • Guest

    Hi
    Which Victor food would you feed an 8 month old shih tzu puppy…? Thanks…

  • http://www.facebook.com/Toxed2loss Toxed2loss

    Mark,
    I’m housebound so everything I get is from mail order (sans fresh produce). I use Amazon quite a bit. You could check there if you are truly worried about it. ;-) I can usually get super saver shipping with most orders, which is free. Just saying’…

  • Mark

    So after about a week on Victor dog food professional formula i could not be happier. There is a noticeable change in stool for both dogs and now I can actually clean it up because it is much more firm as opposed to the cow patties left out before from Diamond. They seem to have much more energy and I assume that any other beneficial results will show in weeks to come. Overall pretty satisfied with the food just worried that if I do ever move back to New York it won’t be available.

  • Alberta

    I began using Vicotor June 2010 using same formula on 3 dogs age’s of 11 years, 5 years, and 8 weeks old. I have had excellent results on all of them. The 8 week old pup is now 17 months old an just beautifull muscle, coat, energy, and form bowls on all 3 dogs. They have never refused eating it ever as had that happen with past brands. Since 2 of my dogs are 1/2 Australian Shepherds and this breed is suseptible to whea gluten these food formulas are all gluten free and my stnadard poodle’s coat is les prne to mats and she is doing big improvemt on a gluten free food.

  • Antonio

    Mark, which formula of Victors did you purchase? Also no matter what brand of dog food you get make sure you transition slow.

  • Mark

    I just purchased my first bag of Victor’s from a local feed store here in Arizona (tempe to be exact) for my two olde english bulldogges. I have had them on Diamond Extreme Athlete for about 3 months and have seen some sub-par results in the form of skin irritations and increased allergies. When I spoke with the owner of this particular store he told me that the beat pulp listed as an ingredient in Diamond’s food is proven to cause nasty results in bully breeds with age and then suggested Victor’s. Not only is Victor’s cheaper, but it has a much higher % of meat and no controversial ingredients in comparison to Diamond. I will post the results in a few weeks once the dogs have been on it for a while if anyone is interested.

  • Antonio

    Pat, I’ve never owned a boxer, although I’ve been around plenty and they tend to have similar GI issues that you will experience with a Doberman (which I do own). You can probably search the Victors website and find out which formula has the lowest fiber content, if I had to guess I would guess it would be the GF Ultra Professional formula since it contains more meat. At this point I’ve been able to transition my Doberman to all of the Victors formulas, grain free and the grain inclusive w/o any troubles, just make sure you transition to allow the dogs time to adjust as most of the formulas do contain pork meal which is not common in a lot of dry dog foods, and based on your comment ” of trying to make the boxer gain some muscle & weight” make sure that your not over feeding the dog as this will definately cause some diarrhea and loose stools.

  • Mike P

    Hi Pat…I can’t get Victors here where I live.I feed my Boxer grain free.She has done well on Merricks BG and Fromms grain free.She is doing good now on Brothers Red Meat except her stools are almost to hard.She never gets gas and no runny stools.I find she has no problems with bouncing around with grain free formulas.Her coat is very shiney and soft and her eyes are so clear.My last two Boxers used to puke alot and had runny stools because I fed them low end food.I didn’t know any better until I found this site.I also add canned toppers and things like sardines,hearts,gizzards,livers,eggs,yogurt to her kibble.Canned mostly but the real foods a couple times a week.Also a RMB from the butcher once a week.The real toppers are actually better on the wallet than the over 2 $ canned foods.The only times her belly has been upset is when I gave her bully sticks.Bad gas,puke,and the trots.Never again with the bully sticks.Good luck Pat…

  • Lisa

    I am very happy with Victor Performance Plus. As a foster home for a local rescue organization, I have fed this dog food to many dogs of varying ages and breeds and often without the opportunity to slowly introduce it into their diet. So far they have all responded well and in particular, one older dog with a sensitive stomach who was prone to frequent bouts with diarrhea. Results have been noticeable (over a few weeks time for the more sensitive one). And not to be gross, but there is a world of difference in picking up after my dogs and my neighbor’s dog who prefers our yard to her own. One more comment, I called the number on the bag with a question/concern and was pleasantly surprised with an immediate response and excellent customer service.

  • sandy

    I only have a half boxer, but he’s eating Nature’s Select Grain Free (sweet potato based like Victor) without issues. Solid waste, soft fur, gaining weight. He was also eating in combination the Grain Free and the Salmon & Sweet Potato together without issues. The second formula added some rice to his feeding. There’s also Canidae Single Grain Protein Plus, a rice based food that has 29% protein. Might be good to try if one can’t tolerate grain free but still want more protein.

  • Pat

    I fed my small kennel of Boxers this food 2 yrs ago without much success, maybe I used the wrong formula for them due to the boxers sensitivities to fat & protein levels. While trying to put on some muscle definition & overall weight on some younger dogs they had issues with loose stools , lots of gas ( I mean have to leave the room type of gas) . And yes I did transition them slowly over a 2 week period to the Victors, so after giving ample time for things to straighten out and from insistence from those that shall remain nameless changed the complete kennel over to 2 different formulas of Diamond Naturals. Now I find the younger boxers thin, not filling out, the occasional loose stool , a couple even with dry dull coat. So now on the search for food again, I find the GF form of Victors.. My question is if anyone knows the answer, which of the Victors has the lower level of fiber (I’ve found high fiber is awful for boxers lol ) it results in cow patty consistency stool , nasty… And does anyone on this part of the forum have boxers & feed Victors? If so, which formula has worked the best.. thanks

  • Kevin

    Melissa,
    Please contact me at my direct email kevin@midamericapetfood.com with all your questions and comments. We are working hard to get distribution in the New York area, but not there yet. Thank you for your interest in Victor Dog Food.

  • melissa

    Kevin-

    Will your food be available in NY???? I have written your company several times to see if this in in the works since there are such great reviews here, and without exception, I have not received a reply back.

    Thanks in advance-

    Melissa

  • Beagleman

    It is a rare thing to find an employee of a manufacturer to state in writing that their products are ethoxyquin free. I am most impressed with everything I’ve read and the initial results I am seeing in my dogs with the brand.

  • Kevin

    Hello Todd,
    This is Kevin, I am Sales Manager for Victor Dog Food at the Plant in Mt. Pleasant, TX. I spoke with Dr. Sagman and he has encouraged the company to participate on this open forum. We welcome questions and comments about our Victor products. I will briefly try to answer your concerns here, but please give me a call at the Factory 1-888-428-7544. I would be glad to discuss your concerns at length.
    I will state here that all Victor Dog Food is ethoxyquin free. The only formula that contains any fish meal (menhaden) is the new Grain Free Ultra Professional Formula. We have tested it and it is ethoxyquin free. We are always working to make Victor Dog Food better. Removing the ocean fish meal from all multi-grain formulas was to this end. Fish meal was the ninth ingredient on the Victor bags (not a major ingredient). AAFCO rules does allow the use of the older bags, as we are waiting to receive the new bags (this is a long process). I don’t want to start a long discussion here about labeling, but be assured we are constantly working to make a better product for your dog. I hope this information helps, we as a company did not mean to confuse anyone. Again, please give me a call and we can discuss it. Thank you…..Kevin

  • Antonio

    Todd,

    Hate to sound like a saleman for Victors ( I am not), I work in the IT field, but I am fortunate enough to have switched to their product some time back and have had outstanding results with my dog(s). Sound like you have one of their older bags in your posession, b/c fish meal was originally in the ingredients but it has long been removed. The only formula I’m aware of now that contains any fish is the GF Ultra Professional (which i’m currently using) it has Menhaden Fish Meal listed in the ingredients.

  • Suzy P

    Hello- I was researching victor as a possibility for my pets, but after reading these comments, I think I’m not comfortable buying from a company that knowingly puts out incorrectly labeled product.

    What if they had changed their product to include an ingredient that our dogs were allergic to?

    There are so many other high rated brands out there, why take a chance…

    thank you for the information

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Todd… After reading your comment here, I contacted Victor. They assured me the only product they currently manufacture containing fish meal is Victor Grain Free Professional Formula. Since this item is 7th down the list of ingredients, I would expect to find only a trace of ethoxyquin in the finished dog food.

    The company insists the non-grain-free recipes do not contain any fish meal. The packaging appears to have come from an older printing. Not sure how I feel about using up some older bags, but I’d be more concerned in the opposite situation (where there IS fish meal in the mix but not printed on the label).

    Thanks for calling this to my attention. Wish I could be more help.

  • Todd

    I’m not expecting Mike to do anything , except keep up the good work. I love this website and use it frequently!

    I’m just relating my experience with this dog food company, so that others can be made aware. Then, they can make the right decision for themselves and their dogs, armed with as much information as possible.

    Isn’t that what this site is all about?

  • Michelle

    Todd, this is a dog food review site. Not sure what you want Mike to do about your problem…. CONTACT THE MANUFACTURER.

  • Todd

    Pet Food Labels – General

    Here’s what the FDA site states:

    Updated March 2010

    Pet food labeling is regulated at two levels. The federal regulations, enforced by the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA), establish standards applicable for all animal feeds: proper identification of product, net quantity statement, manufacturer’s name and address, and proper listing of ingredients.

  • Todd

    that link didn’t paste in full- click on it , then click on
    “Pet Food Labels-General”

  • Todd

    As I said in my earlier post, I purchased the Chicken, Rice ,and Lamb Formula, one of the offerings in the reviewed product line. And as “Kevin” stated, the bags are incorrectly listing the ingredients of this dog food. Victor should not be selling food in mislabled bags (IMO). Read paragraph 1 of this FDA website- they would probably agree..
    http://www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/ResourcesforYou/ ucm047113.htm

  • Michelle

    Todd, the Victor’s formula that is reviewed on this site doesn’t even list fish meal. You should call / e-mail Victor’s with your concerns.

  • Todd

    1- Who’s Kevin????

    2- Aren’t there laws about truthful (and accurate) labeling???

    3- My original question is yet unanswered-
    Is Victor ethoxyquin- free???

  • Ellen

    Hi Everyone.

    I have 2 GSD’s (7 month old and a 2 yr old). I had been feeding Fromms to the 2 yr old and she had massive bouts of diahrrea. I then switched to California Natural which she was fine with until the 2nd and 3rd bags now she has the massive diahrea again. My 7 month old (adopted) was on puppy chow and is being transitioned over to CA Natural, now his stools are soft. UGH

    I will try the Victors since looking for decent food on the web is next to impossible lately or, should I start them out with a different food?

    Regards,

  • Kevin

    Hello Todd,
    None of the Victor multi-grain formulas contain fish meal. The ingredients on the bag does read “Fish Meal(select ocean blend). These are older bags and new bags are being printed. The ingredients on the website are correct. I’m sorry for the confusion.

  • Todd

    Victor dog food has added fish meal to their formula -
    Does it contain ETHOXYQUIN?

    The list of ingredients on the bag is different from the website. Product I bought was fresh. Formula change was confirmed by Victor during my phone call to them. They could not assure me that their fish meal is ethoxyquin free, just promised (twice) a return phone call by someone who could answer my questions. The return calls never came, I won’t call a third time, I’ll just buy a different food.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Todd… Just checked Victor’s website and I don’t see any changes from what we have in our database. Do you have an older product in your possession? You may wish to call the company again. Their customer service has usually been very responsive to inquiries like yours. Wish I could be more help.

  • Todd

    DOES VICTOR DOG FOOD CONTAIN ETHOXYQUIN??

    Was thinking about switching my dog to Victor Chicken, Lamb and Rice Formula. However, the ingredient list has been changed from what is listed on their website. Among other changes- fish meal is now in the mix, raising ETHOXYQUIN concerns. Two calls to the company, brought no answers- only the promise of a return call that never came…

  • Gordon

    I don’t think I’ve read one bad thing about anyone using Victor’s for their dog. That’s a pretty good track record. At least for this blog.

  • Becca Snider

    Victor Dog Food is wonderful. I highly recommend it. I have two dogs. One is 2 and the other is 12. I have always fed the 12 year old Dog Chow and ever summer she’s always had skin issues. I figured it was some sort of allergic reaction to something blooming. She would rub her lower back raw. I started them on Victor in May and this is the FIRST summer she has NOT had allergy problems. She is peppy and playful and obviously feels better than she has in a long time.

    Thank you, Victor!!!
    Becca

  • Kathryn Beard

    I don’t usually add comments, but thought I would put this one in–I have a litter of 4 month old Basset Hound puppies that have never eaten any food except Victor Joint Health Formula since weaning. Wish you could see their coats, muscle tone. and over all appearance–shiny, healthy, great body weight and bone structure. My vet says they are the best looking litter he has seen in years. I have been feeding Victor to all my dogs for a little over a year, now, and plan to stay with it. Hope it never changes!
    Kathryn

  • http://www.atlantahaus.com Atlantahaus Rottweilers

    After five years on the same food, we switched over from Blackwood 2000 to a combination of Victor’s 24/20 and their Chicken and Lamb 24/14 several months ago. We have had a incredible experience since the change, and given that the ingredient quality stays the same going forward, we are not planning on changing again. This food has lowered the body heat of the dog’s in our kennel, due to the lower protein content, and maintained the same muscle mass throughout three hard workouts weekly. Our dogs have never looked better, from their coats to the bounce in their step. We already had what most people consider the most healthy and beautiful rottweilers, and I am actually surprised to see such a marked improvement based on where they were at the time of the switch. Also, I focus on several things to gauge my dogs health and two of the most noticeable things that we have to go by are the stool content produced, and the coats of our dogs. Both have been consistently and lastingly improved, and not just by a little bit… We are talking about big improvements. We are big fans of Victor!!

  • Kathryn Beard

    Just spoke to Kevin at Victor–he assured me that the flax seed in their foods is ground.

    I have been feeding their Joint Formula to my basset hounds, and am very pleased with it–skin problems are gone, arthritis is improved, coats are shiny, and energy levels are up.

    Can’t say enough good things about this food.

  • Yvette Lopez

    My mom found this Victor dog food @ one of the local feed stores. It was well priced as well as recommended highly. She had just switched her 2 sm. chichuaha dogs & her german shepherd to the victor dog food from purina when we arrived with our 2 dogs, a chichuaha/daschund mix & terrier. Needless to say, they went to go see what everyone else was eating & had to have some too! We began to notice within a few days of switching, from big to small, all dogs had better stools, coats, gained weight & muscle. All had more energy, just overall wayyy better than we had ever seen on other brands. Our barely 6lb chichuaha/daschund mix is tall & her spine used to show on the top of her even though she ate. She is now 8 1/2 lbs & that bone doesn’t show anymore! My sister switched her dogs to Victor, we tell everyone about it. Thank you for making a terrific product!

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    OK, Antonio… Thanks. I’ve now added Victor Grain Free to my list.

  • Antonio

    @Michelle, I re-read your reply and the one I left I guess giving the dog my leftovers would technically qualify as supplimenting human grade meats right LOL :)

  • Antonio

    Doc Mike here’s the link http://www.victordogfood.com/ ,, Michelle, thanks for the comment on the Dobie, honestly the only supplement he gets is plenty of hard work and love LOL, the only thing I give him is left over meat from time to time that I’ve cooked for myself but don’t eat for one reason or another, but otherwise I really don’t supplement, I look for kibble that has a balanced amount of vitamins and minerals to compliment the ingredient list.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Antonio… I’m looking forward to checking out the new Victor Grain Free recipe. But I can’t find a company website with complete details. So, if you find it, just post the link. Thanks for the tip.

  • Michelle

    Hi Antonio, your Dobie looks great! I was wondering if you give any supplements, canned,or human grade meats/eggs?

  • Antonio

    Doc Mike, I know you’ve been busy w/ many other reviews and comments, I was wondering if you’d had a chance to review the GF line that Victor’s has put out? I personally think I’m going to stick w/ the regular lines b/c I’ve had a good deal of success w/ them so far.

  • Samantha

    I recently switched from beneful to victor. I have two pit bulls and they both have had amazing results since I switched to victor. My male had very dry skin and I could not get him to keep weight on. Now that I am using victor he now has no dry skin, his coat looks amazing, and best of all he is gaining weight! My females coat is also looking so much better and they are both gaining muscle. I would highly recommend victor!

  • Antonio

    And btw I don’t work for this company, I just find they make a really good food at a affordable price.

  • Antonio

    Just a update Victors has launched two new grain free formulas, the info was listed on their website today. I’ve only been using this dog food a relatively short time, but it does seem this company is trying to make a name for itself in the pet food industry. I’m not sure I’ll switch to grain free, as my success has always been w/ grain inclusive formulas, but it does seem Victors is constantly showing they will be a big playa in the Pet food market.

  • melissa

    I should learn not to type late at night!

    **accommodate*** geesh, forgor half the darn word!

  • melissa

    LOl..see? Many different schools of thought. I myself prefer to find the weight range that the dog looks good at, and appears healthy, and then expect the weight to stay within a few lbs. For me, the weight is a good indicator of the health of the dog, and unexplained thinness or sudden weight loss warrants a trip to the vet for bloodwork : ) I do find sometimes that if its warm out, the dogs have less appetite as well-and I adjust the “outdoor” schedule to accomate the temps and the AC..in otherwords, no dog goes out to run and play for a good 1hrs before dinner during peak heat

  • Antonio

    It’s good to be back, got a little worried when Americans where warned to be on alert overseas, and I just so happen to be overseas during that time. Mike P, as a general rule of thumb I feed less protein/fat during the warm months b/c I’m not outside in the heat enough working the dogs the same way I do during the fall and spring. But many people disagree w/ my opinion and simply choose to just feed less of the same high protein/fat food. Find what works best for your dog, on a personal side note I actually prefer my dogs a bit thinner during the warmer months same as I do myself LOL

  • Mike P

    thanks melissa … the only diff i can see is she stays out longer for potty breaks . she gets her same walks and is a wild nutcase in the house . during the winter she would run through 3 ft of snow , so that was a good workout . now it’s hot and the walks are slower but she looks thinner ..

  • melissa

    Mike P-

    If you dog is thin, then up the amount of food he is getting : ) As activity increases. his caloric use will increase. You can not really say feed more in the hot weather as a general rule as its really breed specific. A team of huskies will require more in the winter, rather than the summer, however a hunting dog worked in the summer will require more than. House dogs require less kcals then outdoor living dogs as well in the cold months.

    Nice to see you back Antonio!

  • Jonathan

    Well hey there Antonio. I was starting to wonder where you went!

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  • Mike P

    Welcome back Antonio … So with it getting warmer out , is it better to feed more protein /higher calories ? My dog looks a little thin since the hot weather got here this week . I’m feeding the same amount I fed during the winter . Thanks

  • Antonio

    Update I’m back in the states, had a great vacation, thought I would chime in on the blog since I’ve been out of pocket for a bit, all is going well, dog still doing great eating Victors and at this point I couldn’t be happier.. I’m currently feeding the Normally Active formula since it’s about to get warm here in the south

  • Patti

    Great review.

  • Antonio

    I know your absolutely right, about having back up options availalbe. I’ve experienced brands in the past going south in a hurry or being sold out and become no longer available.

  • melissa

    Antonio-

    Oh, I am not concerned over the Pro Pac, the dobes are doing very well on it. But, I like to have options available, lol, in case things go “south” which I have seen happen before with food. Also, I like to have other foods on my “list” to switch to from time to time. Victors sounds like its a very good product and reasonable to boot. The Pro Pac and canidae are not hard to find in our area(boutique style stores) but you never know! : )

  • Meagan

    Bolt is more of a flush dog than a pointer. :)

  • Antonio

    Melissa,

    I’m amazed no one has gotten back w/ you from Victors yet. Did you call their 800# as well? But honestly I’ve used both the Victors and the Pro Pac and I would say both are really good, so I wouldn’t worry too much about switching if I were you.. Pro Pac is excellent food, the only problem I had was it became inconvenient getting it. Doc Mike no problem, glad I could help, I agree w/ you,, I think the ingredients were changed for better, but like you I don’t think it would make it a 5 star food, although my pack is doing VERY well on it.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    OK, Antonio. I’ve uploaded Victor’s new ingredients list and re-written my earlier review. In summary, similar nutrient profile. Notably better ingredients. But unfortunately, not enough to raise our rating. Bottom line… great product. Excellent value. I like this dog food. Thanks for the tip. :)

  • melissa

    Oops. My bad..Just realized that Mid Western, not Mid America is Pro Pac : )Still Victor never got back to me, even if to say “sorry, not available in your area”

  • melissa

    Glad they responded to you Antonio. When I emailed their “pro Pac” division I got an immediate response. When I emailed Victor asking if the food was available in NYS, I got zilch.

  • Antonio

    Mike, I agree, I’ve been able to email him and ask different questions about the products and he’s always openly honestly about anything I’ve asked, so that alone get alot of respect from me. And the products I’ve used from them have been working better than I would have ever guessed. It’s GREAT quality at a unbeatable price in today’s economy.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Thanks for the link, Antonio. Big help. By the way, this company Mid-America Pet Food is a great operation. You’ll find the owner directly involved with a constantly improving product. I’ll get on this update very soon.

  • Antonio

    Doc Mike,

    Here’s the link I use to access their website http://www.victordogfood.com/ again, the changes appear to be miniscule, but I noticed on most formulas the Chicken Meal has been moved higher up the ingredient list, and the fish meal has been removed for some reason. But otherwise the changes seem to be miniscule and possibly for the better, my dog didn’t have a problem transitioning.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Antonio… I visited the Victor website and cannot find any differences in the list for this food. Perhaps you’re getting a newer package and the company may not have updated their website. If you know of an updated website, I’ll be happy to revisit this review. By the way, Victor is steadily evolving into a very good dog food. For example, notice the selenium yeast on your list. That beats sodium selenite hands down. Hope they update their site soon.

  • Antonio

    LOL, you are right about that, but fortunately the agitators are wearing bite sleeves and even suits depending on which level you are competing.

  • melissa

    dog must be able to bite under control of the handler at all times, otherwise this would deduct points.

    Not to mention flesh..lol..Sorry could not resist : )

  • Antonio

    Meagan,

    I’m actually more impressed by the fact that your dog is learning to point- pheasants, that takes a greatttt deal of endurance in training, as far as Schutzhund, the idea is not neccesarily aggression, but more obedience than anything else. The dog must first pass obedience & tracking before he can go on to the protection stage. But most important during the protection/bite phase is that the dog must be able to bite under control of the handler at all times, otherwise this would deduct points.

  • Meagan

    Well good luck to you both when you start Schutzhund! Thats pretty cool. I do not think mine could do that. Bolt is a great protector, he would attack, but i’m almost positive he wouldn’t stop when I tell him to. He does well in obedience and he seems to have a great nose, so maybe he could do tracking. My bf and I have tried pheasant hunting with him. He wasn’t sure what he was looking for. More our fault than his.
    That is so great the your dog can do that stuff.

  • Antonio

    The GA is the same I think on all formulas, I think the nutrient variance was the biggest change, although the overall adjustment is likely minor and probably wouldn’t regard the food getting any higher a rating, but it does seem to be a change for the better, and Meagan your right it does suck not having my buddy around for 4 weeks, but I know it’s for the best long term, he’s actually been in training before at a younger age (9mths) and completed top of his class (lucky is was a small class :) ), but he’s going back now to get more training and certification that will help with him in Schutzhund once we pick up in the fall (September) at a club here in Arkansas. The only good thing about his training this time is that I am scheduled to leave the country for 16days, so I’ll only have to be w/o him for a short time once I get back home.

  • Meagan

    Aw man 4 weeks is a long time. Do you get to see him at all? What is he training for? I would have a tough time without my pups for a month lol

  • Jonathan

    Did the GA change Antonio?

  • Antonio

    Doc Mike, you might want to re-visit the Victor’s website, they have tweaked their formulas a bit, but honestly I think it was a change for the better. My Doberman is still eating the food w/ no problem. He’s scheduled to go off to the trainers in a week and stay for 4 weeks before coming back home, and he’ll still be eating the Victors brand, but the food has been working well thus far. Here’s a update of their new ingredient list.:

    Beef Meal, Whole Grain Sorghum, Chicken Meal, Chicken Fat (Preserved with mixed Tocopherols), Pork Meal, Millet, Brown Rice, Alfalfa Meal, Flax Seed, Potassium Chloride, Dried Kelp, Yeast Culture, Montmorillonite, Monosodium Phosphate, Vitamins (Vitamin E Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Vitamin A Supplement, Niacin Supplement, D-Calcium Pantothenate, Thiamine Mononitrate (source of vitamin B1), Biotin, Riboflavin Supplement (source of Vitamin B2), Vitamin D3 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Source of Vitamin B6), Folic Acid, Minerals ( Zinc Sulfate Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Amino Acid Chelate, Iron Amino Acid Chelate, Copper Sulfate, Copper Amino Acid Chelate, Manganese Sulfate, Manganese Amino Acid Chelate, Magnesium Amino Acid Chelate, Folic Acid, Cobalt Carbonate) Dried Chicory Root, Selenium Yeast, Lecithin, Hydrolyzed Yeast, Dried Lactobacillus Acidophilus , Dried Enterococcus Faecium, Dried Lactobacillus Casei, Dried Lactobacillus Fermentum , Dried Lactobacillus Plantarum , Choline Chloride, Taurine, Glucosamine Hydrochloride, Chondroitin, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Mixed Tocopherols, Citric Acid, Rosemary Extract.

  • Antonio

    Amee,

    I’ve been using Victor’s w/ my Doberman and it’s working VERY well, I am astonished at the results and hope to continue to have positive results w/ this brand.

  • Amee

    Just finished switching to Victor from Authority. I have noticed my puppy’s stools are astonishingly smaller, and her awful gas problem has gone away (I’m assuming she had an allergy to something in the other food.) Can’t say enough good things about this food, absolutely love it!! And now that I’m feeding Victor I get to support a local small business instead of the big corporation pet stores, yay!

  • http://www.helpinglittlepaws.com Dani

    I feed Victor Chicken, Lamb and Rice to my dogs and my foster dogs. Since switching to it (from Blue Buffalo), I have noticed that their coats are A LOT softer. Stool is great. I highly recommend this food. A great value for the money!!

  • Antonio

    Melissa I think your last statement said it best about the life expectancy of our pets now vs the times of old. The general pet owner now take their dog(s), to see a vet at least once a year or as often as needed, where as previously if a dog was sick, he better hope he could borrow one of the cat’s 9 lives and make it thru whatever was bothering him, but things have changed a lot over the years in the general upkeep and well-being of our pets. I think that has played a bigger role in the longer life expectancy for our pets at this point more than the new diets on the market as most of them have not been around more than 5-7 years.

  • melissa

    In regards to feeding less quantity of higher protein/fat versus feeding same amount higher carbs-
    Not all dogs can handle higher protein/higher fat levels. While some is excreted by the body, other dogs develop pancreatitis, high triglycerides and health issues because they are not actively utilizing the amounts being fed during the “off season”. And frankly, if I tried to feed my dobes 2 cups of food a day, they would lose weight and act like they are starving-If I fed high protein(and therefore typically high fat) food to my schnauzers, they would be dead from pancreatitis(the breed has a inherent predisposition to this and HGE)
    I have to say, after working in the vet hospital for almost 15 yrs, I never saw dogs dying “slow painful deaths” from fatty tumors. Fatty tumors are just that, fat, and they can be typically removed rather easily if the owner chooses to. I have seen many dogs lost to kidney, heart, liver disease or cancer. Could be environmental factors that we can control, environmental that we can not control, or simply a case of bad genetics.

    Also to be factored in to this equation is that the general public perception has changed dramatically over the course of years. Dogs and cats are more so considered part of the family rather than “the dog” and therefore people are more willing to treat and spend $$ on our furry friends-thereby being able to diagnose diseases earlier and respond to extend their lives. Whether human or animal prompt and diligent medical treatment makes a huge amount of difference in the longevity aspect.

  • melissa

    Hi Mike-

    Yes, typically the cals per cup would be directly related to how much to feed, but strangely, I have found in working dogs its the makeup of the food as well.

    If I have to feed my dogs 6 cups of Native per day to gain weight(Level 3 at 500 cals per day) they are getting 3000kcals(corn/wheat/soy free)-and these were “heaping cups”. Now they are getting Propac at 535kcals per day/level measured cups-total of 2140 per day. Logic should tell us based on kcals only, the dogs are getting 860 LESS cals per day, therefore should be losing or at least maintaining. Since they are still gaining, we are going to be decreasing the amount by 1/2 cup until we find the amount for “holding weight”. The same thing occurred when we went grain free-high number of cups & poor weight maintanence. For some reason, adding back in the corn component is what works for these dogs. These are young altered indoor living dogs, so their calorie consumption should theoretically be lower than intact outdoor living dogs.

  • Antonio

    Jonathan you hit the nail right square on the head, and honestly as times have changed I have tried to change w/ the times and use what is hopefully a better product. Heck I remember in the mid 90′s when I thought Diamond originals was the best dog food on the market and at the time it seemed like it was, and it was also boatloads cheaper than getting Dog Chow at that time LOL.

  • Jonathan

    Hey guys, while you know I’m more in the middle about this raw versus kibble thing, I would like to mention my personal experience with the dogs my family had and some of my friend’s dogs… way before I knew anything about dog food…

    Every dog I ever had when I was young was feed something like ‘Ol Roy, Dog Chow, or some other 1-star food. They all experienced a very hard old age. Both my first dog, Christie, and my second dog Brandy, had very sudden energy declines as they got older. Both of them developed “fatty sacs” all over their bodies. I would always be worried about this and the “old timers” would say, “oh, they just get like that when they get old.” I never thought that was right. They all got overweight, and had itchy spots and such. Now mind you, other than the crap food, these were well cared for dogs. They were all on heart-worm preventatives and flee replants, and they received plenty of exercise and love and had regular vet visits. I have known at least a dozen dogs that got the “fatty sacs” and died very slow, painful deaths a year or so earlier than they probably should have. And you have to think… taking a year off a dog’s life is like taking ten or so off a human.

    Now again, I’m not arguing against this food, or any of the “3-star” products that Antonio really likes. I’m talking about the real bad, real cheap stuff. Grocery store food. I really believe that most dogs die younger than they could potentially live to, and more painfully than it had to be, because of foods like Beneful, Dog Chow, and ‘Ol Roy. I know that there are always flukes. But most of the dogs I have had the privilege to know have been feed crap food, and died painfully and early. Noting that some one knows a dog that lived to be 17 on Dog Chow doesn’t prove that dog chow is a good food any more than a smoker living to be 85 proves that cigarettes are healthful.

    Anyways, that was a little off the main point, but yeah. I really dislike low-quality foods.

  • Mike P

    My last dog played with me in the yard 2 days before we had to put her down . She ate walmart crap for over 12 years . I still feel better that my new dog is eating tons better . With the better food I’m keeping my fingers crossed she lives as long .

  • Antonio

    Mike P, those are my thoughts exactly “if it’s not broke don’t fix it”, I don’t think feeding raw is necessarily bad, but I think if the kibble is doing just as well, and it’s more convenient for the owner and the dog isn’t suffering any loss of nutrition from the kibble then why fix what isn’t broken. I mean I honestly I have saw dogs fed a lot of things from Ol’Roy, to 5-star Kibble, and even a few raw fed dogs, and when the diet works, you can’t tell that one dog is anymore healthy as the next and honestly I haven’t saw all those health problems on dogs that have been fed what is considered cheap grocery store carb laden crap dog food. I mean the breeds I have experience with have a normal life expectancy of 12-14years, they are still living those years very happy and healthy and generally most don’t show any signs of slowing down up until the final few weeks before they pass away.

  • Mike P

    Antonio , we can never resolve the raw vs kibble debate with Cathy . Nobody knows our dogs better than we do . I agree with you …if it’s not broke don’t fix it

  • Antonio

    Cathy once again, great analogy and I won’t make a case against feeding raw, it’s obviously something your passionate about and is going well for your dog’s particular needs, unfortunately I didn’t experience this same success when I tried it with my own dog, therefore I option to feed kibble, or leftover meats that have been cooked. Honestly, I haven’t done enough research on feeding my dog raw, and since it didn’t go well and I almost lost my dog in the process, I figure it’s not something of importance at this time, but if I do think about it years later w/ a different dog then I’ll indulge in the proper research and methods on which to feed it, but for now it’s a none-issue in my house with my dog(s). I wish I knew of someone doing K9 sports that use a raw species appropiate diet for their dog then I could ask more than general questions about the overall positives and negatives of the method, but for now I will stick with what works best for me.

  • Cathy

    Antonio, You say to me “feeding raw is your dog’s saving grace” and “unless there’s a problem don’t try to fix it”.
    My dog is 6 years old and has never had any health issues ever. But I did ‘fix’ something that wasn’t a problem, or at least something that wasn’t an obvious problem, and before the problem reared it’s ugly head. For my dog’s first year, we fed him 3-star rated food. Then I discovered the truth about food – human food and dog food! I then made the choice to feed superior-quality species-appropriate food to me, my family and my dog. My choice of REAL FOOD is to PREVENT problems, rather than fixing problems as they arrive.

  • Antonio

    Cathy,
    Again I understand the analogy behind your statement and there’s some truth to it, and when my dog is in his Senior years it’s likely that I will simply feed less of the same food, but when your dealing w/ a young working dog his size many times feeding less than 3.5 cups just isn’t an option. I know you understand nutrition, but I was speaking from experience on the situation “been there, done that” type situation, so I go with the analogy that has proven to work best for me. Again, I don’t claim to be a know it all, otherwise I wouldn’t be coming to Dr. Sagman’s blog. But you have to understand this isn’t my first dance with owning a dog, and thru the years I’ve tried many things concerning nutrition and stamina building, as well as health w/ my dog(s). Some of the ideas proved truth, while others simply faded w/ time. What I have learned from experience is that unless there’s a problem don’t try to fix it, and until I have a problem feeding lower protein and fat during the hotter months of the summer, I will very likely continue this method.

  • Cathy

    Antonio – I do understand lower protein/fat during offseason, but my thinking is similar to Jonathan’s, which is to feed less quantity of protein/fat, instead of feeding same quantity by increasing carbs. And this communication has nothing to do with raw feeding.

  • Antonio

    Melissa, I have emailed them before w/ a snails pace response. My recommendation would be to give them a phone call, normally you get a live voice on their customer service line. Cathy, I know that feeding raw is your dog’s saving grace, but you have to understand, I tried giving my Dobe raw, it didn’t work, it nearly killed my dog, I can give you the vet bill and the stated medical reason for treatment if that will be enough proof. I just don’t feel it’s necessary to risk my dogs life anymore like that and put him at that possibility, so when my dog does get some meat, I prefer it cooked. I understand your point and Jonathans point about the carbs, but seriously you would have to have first hand experience to truly understand why I and Melissa feel the lower protein/fat during offseason works better.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Melissa… Be careful. The number of cups per day necessary to maintain a specific animal is directly related to the amount of energy (calories) contained in each cup. So, 3.5 cups for one dog food could be equal to 4.2 cups of another. Yet it might be only 3.4 cups for still another recipe.

  • melissa

    I am with Antonio on the protein contents. I do not find that working dogs during the off season utilize the higher protein contents well, but for whatever reason, do very well with the carbs. Go figure.

    You really can not, imo, feed a 85 lb dobe(as Antonio has stated his dog is) less then the 3.5 cups a day without the dog looking for “more”. And you dog is loooking great Antonio-keep up whatever it is that you do-

    I emailed Victor and asked if its available in NY and never got a response, so I will take that as a No…

  • Cathy

    Antonio,
    When less active (more sedentary), how does your dog’s body utilize 43% carbohydrates? 20% carbs seems like more than enough carbs for any dog to efficiently utilize.
    Mike Sagman writes this on the raw foods page “Dogs are simply not genetically optimized to consume the fifty percent carbohydrate content of today’s commercial kibbles.”

  • Antonio

    That’s probably true, I was basically thinking of switching since both the Performance formula and the Normally Active Adult ingredients are very similar, the biggest difference is basically the protein & fat being much lower in the Normally Active Adult. And feeding less could definately work I have done this in the past w/ certain brands, but he’s only eating between 3.5-4cups a day on Victors. I was basically wondering if someone that’s been feeding it for awhile had tried the Maintenance (Normally Active Adult) formula. I’ll gage that decision a bit more as we get further into the warmer months, so for now I’ll keep him on the 26/18 Performance Plus Joint Health formula.

  • Jonathan

    If it works for you, that is great… I can’t argue that. But you even say yourself that you could just feed them less of their current food… why don’t you do that? Wouldn’t that be easier than changing their food? We know weight gain is a function of calories in versus calories out… so you are right that feeding them less of the higher protein and fat food will not add weight in the “off season”. So wouldn’t it potentially be cheaper if you have to feed them less of the “better” food?

  • Antonio

    excess weight

  • Antonio

    Jonathan, please don’t take my response personal as I know you spend a great deal of time online researching dog food and it’s also your day job I believe. But I have been raised and taught to handle, and care from dogs since I was knee high to an adult. I’ve saw many dogs thru the years, and when I was giving responsibility of taking care of the kennels at my dad house as a teenager, I had to do trial and error to learn what works best for their diet, with all that being said I’ve seen a lot of food fads come and go in this industry same as with human diets. What I have found works best with working breeds is that lowering the protein and fat content during off seasons generally will help prevent the dog gaining a lot of excess wait, you can research this info on most hunting dog forums or talk personally to some local working dog breeders in your areas. I understand your philosophy and reasoning, but I also know what has personally worked best, and during the hot Arkansas summer months, I don’t have a need to keep a dog pumped up on high fat and high protein diets. I can email you hundreds of pics of my current dog and I can even scan a few pics of my dogs from the past and I think the proof will be in the pics that this philosophy of mine has worked well, as generally I have always kept my dogs pretty close to peak conditioning, this has proven to me to increase their lifespan and the quality of their life over the years.

  • Jonathan

    Antonio, you say…

    “If the dog is going to be laying around more instead of out working hard long hours then the high protein and high fat wouldn’t be properly utilized, and I wouldn’t want the dog to lay around the house and yard and become obese.”

    …but don’t you think they could become obese from the increased carbs in the lower protein maintenance formula? Why do you equate fat and protein to weight gain? It has been shown again and again that diets high in carbs can lead to weight gain, too. If they are not working hard, they are not using those carbs right away and those carbs become stored energy… aka “fat”.

  • Antonio

    LOL, well Meagan, you know it really is a game of trial and error and you’ll find what works best for your dogs. Let their health be the determining factor in your choices. If a dog does poorly on a diet then you’ll notice it in his health visibly and visa versa if the animal thrives on the diet you have for it. Diamond a makes a quality product, I used it for many years, unfortunately my Doberman can’t handle their formulas the way my ABPTs did years ago. But the good thing about Diamond is that it’s available at most locations and the price is one of the best in the industry not to mention they make several varities.

  • Meagan

    Antonio-Thanks I thought thats what you meant. Mine are on the lowest % protein and fat diamond naturals formula now. I was going to rotate between all three adult formulas after each 40# bag ran out, but now I might put them on the chicken for the next couple months till it gets hot then put them back on the lamb and rice. Who knows lol I am all new to this

  • Antonio

    Well basically I’m still of the traditional nutrition mindset, from my own athletic background and I apply the same philosophy to my dog. If the dog is going to be laying around more instead of out working hard long hours then the high protein and high fat wouldn’t be properly utilized, and I wouldn’t want the dog to lay around the house and yard and become obese. I could easily cut his portions back on the current feed, but I would rather just switch to their maintenance formula since the ingredients are pretty similar the only diff is the G & A, it’s 22% protein/ 10% fat in the maintenance. It’s referred to as their Normally Active formula.

  • Meagan

    Antonio-
    Regarding your question to Norma. Why would you change for the hot months? I looked on the website to compare the different GA, but I did not see a maintenance formula. Just wondering what the benefits are to switching? I understand they are less active when it is super hot, just like in winter when its to cold to walk.
    Basically I just want to know if it would be best for me to look into it for my two. They are on Diamond Naturals Lamb and rice.
    Thanks

  • Antonio

    Norma,

    I have had my Doberman on this food for about a month, and I have had the same positive results as you have w/ the food. Which formula are you currently using? And have you considered their maintenance formula once the weather gets to hot to be out doing too much work w/ the dogs thru the day? I’ve been considering this for my Dobie

  • Norma

    I started using this dog food about 2 months ago. I have 10 dogs, mostly German Shepherds. I am very pleased with the performance of this food. Coats are great, stools firm, and you can’t beat the quality for the price.

  • Antonio

    My dog has been eating Victors for almost a complete month now, and honestly all I have seem are positive results. Any Dobie owner can tell you that changing the diet of a Doberman can be hit and miss and when you miss you definately know that you’ve missed. They will drop weight very quick, normally that consists of constant gas, diarrhea and other very noticeable signs, but so far I haven’t experienced any of those problems since my dog has been eating Victors. As long as the price stays low and this food is available close to my home I will keep using it as it seems to be working out very well for my dog.

  • Antonio

    2 weeks on Victor Performance Formula, and things seem to be holding up well. The only thing I’ve noticed so far is that my dog has WAYYY FEWER stools, and the size of them are noticeably smaller. The energy, is still consistent as it was on the Pro Pac and previously the Pro Plan Performance, he hasn’t been on it long enough for me to notice if any problems would occur with his coat generally that takes a while, but so far he’s still oily and slick. So with the price, results, and convenience of purchasing Victor’s at a local feed COOP it’s turning out to be a good thing.

  • Meagan

    Thank you. It is working for me. No clue why I could not find it through google. :/ I will have to see if my COOP carries it. Although I am going to try Diamond Naturals first it is nice to have other foods in mind in case they disagree with it.

  • Antonio

    I buy it at a feed COOP here in Arkansas, here’s a link to their website http://www.victordogfood.com/products/ although look like a bit of construction is going on at the moment.

  • Meagan

    Antonio- I can not find this food on the internet. Not sure why. Where do you buy it from and what state would that be in? Thanks

  • Antonio

    I had the priviledge directly to the people over and Victor’s and ask about the roadkill claims, and they rest me assured that these claims are false and I truly believe the people over at Victors and have trust in their products. If someone has REAL information otherwise about the roadkill in Victors present the facts or otherwise we can consider these claims malicious and false from other competitors.

  • Antonio

    I’ve been using Victor’s and unless I see information that confirms these CLAIMS, then I will consider it pure speculation and horrible mudd slanging from competitors.

  • Pam

    Hi Mike, I got the road kill from these reviews. Kevin posted this review. “kevin January 19, 2011 at 10:26 pm victor was under investigation for dead animal, roadkill, in food. What was the outcome? Could this explain the cheap price?”
    I have been using this food for over 4 months and love my dogs coats. The hair shows off the dog food. I met Felix Ward (nice man), this weekend at a Hunt Test and he is trying to keep cost affordable and produce a great food.

  • Antonio

    Nan,

    I googled the ingredient a bit, and it seems totally natural, and the studies done have shown a lot of positive findings. I guess until there’s a negative or known issue w/ the ingredients it’s not something I’m opposed too for my dog at this time.

  • Nan

    I use diatomaceous earth food grade on my dogs for fleas and I heard people use it and give it to their animals for intestinal parasites but I don’t think I want a dog food with that in it. What are your thoughts?

  • Antonio

    I started mixing Victors 26/18 Performance+Joint Health on 2/25/11, so my Doberman has been getting this in his diet for about a week now, and within the last 2-3 days, he’s having fewer and much SMALLER stools. His energy has maintained well thru the transition process, eyes are still bright, and as stated above the price is unbeatable for what you get. And the dog happily eats his kibble. Right now the kibble is working well, but I don’t put much evaluation into a week of a diet, I want to make that the good results are continued over a extended period of time.

  • david

    the only thing i got to say this victor food is the best thing and cheap price i feed it to my pitbulls and they love and there coat are great . i feed 30/20.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Antonio… Sounds good, so far. Victor looks like a fine product. Keep us updated.

  • Antonio

    Doc Mike, just thought I’d update so far the gradual change over to Victors has been going well, my dog’s energy and stools have remained consistent at this short interval. I’ll let you know as he’s 100% eating Victors and I’ll let you know how performance goes.

  • Antonio

    Mike turns out a Local COOP near my house sells this feed, it’s very affordable, I didn’t realize it rates so highly on your website I think I’ll look into it a bit more after seeing it reviewed so well here. I’m having good success with Pro Pac, but with the price of gas rising daily, a 80 mile round trip is not likely at this time. So I’ll get a bag of Victor and start mixing it slowly with the remaining Pro-Pac I have left for my Dobie.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Pam… We have no reason to suspect this product contains “roadkill”. Not sure where you found that information.

  • Pam

    I contacted Victor and they said the reason for the lower price’s was to put a good dog food out there that people could afford. With the push for better dog foods, manufactures jack the price up. They wanted to keep their dog food good and affordable. However after reading this I am concerned. I did a google search and couldn’t find roadkill in Victor. Could you please let me know where this was? Thank you very much.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Kevin… As with any human food, manufacturers can lie. But they would be in criminal violation of U.S. Federal law. The United States Food and Drug Administration regulates all pet food labels. Taken directly from the FDA website

    “The Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (FFDCA) requires that pet foods, like human foods, be safe to eat, produced under sanitary conditions, contain no harmful substances, and be truthfully labeled.”

    When you find generic words like “meat meal” and “animal fat” in a dog food, the ingredient could possibly contain raw materials like road kill.

    However, in this case, we find no mention of any ingredient that could possibly support your claims.

  • kevin

    There was a story in I believe a texarkana tx newspaper last year. If I can find it, I will share…Do dog food manufacturers have to be true on their labels?

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Kevin… Unfortunately, I have no information on the accusations contained in your comment.

  • kevin

    victor was under investigation for dead animal, roadkill, in food. What was the outcome? Could this explain the cheap price?

  • Wess Jackson

    We have fed 3 mature Border and Aussie’s this product for more than a 2 years and a Standard Poodle for 11 months, since 10 weeks of age and a German Shepherd for 2 months since 12 weeks of age. We have been very pleased with quality and when comparing to other feed sources find this to also be very economical.

    Additionally, I have used this company’s horse feed four years and have had remarkable results on high performance horses.