Nature’s Variety Prairie (Dry)

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Rating: ★★★★☆

Nature’s Variety Prairie Dog Food receives the Advisor’s second-highest tier rating of 4 stars.

The Nature’s Variety Prairie product line includes eight dry dog foods, two claimed to meet AAFCO nutrient profiles for growth and six for all life stages.

The following is a list of recipes available at the time of this review.

  • Prairie Duck and Oatmeal
  • Prairie Beef and Barley (3.5 stars)
  • Prairie Salmon Meal and Brown Rice
  • Prairie Chicken Meal and Brown Rice
  • Prairie Lamb and Oatmeal (3.5 stars)
  • Prairie Venison and Barley (3.5 stars)
  • Prairie Puppy Chicken Meal and Brown Rice
  • Prairie Large Breed Puppy Chicken Meal and Brown Rice

Nature’s Variety Prairie Beef and Barley was selected to represent the other products in the line for this review.

Nature's Variety Prairie Beef and Barley

Dry Dog Food

Estimated Dry Matter Nutrient Content

Protein = 25% | Fat = 14% | Carbs = 53%

Ingredients: Beef, turkey meal, barley, brown rice, oatmeal, peas, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid), menhaden fish meal, sun-cured alfalfa meal, ground flaxseed, natural chicken flavor, montmorillonite clay, carrots, salt, sweet potatoes, apples, blueberries, cranberries, vitamins (vitamin A supplement, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, niacin supplement, d-calcium pantothenate, l- ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate, thiamine mononitrate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, riboflavin supplement, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12 supplement), minerals (zinc proteinate, iron proteinate, copper proteinate, manganese proteinate, ethylenediamine dihydriodide, sodium selenite), choline chloride, potassium chloride, yeast culture (Saccharomyces cerevisiae), dried Enterococcus faecium fermentation product, dried Lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation product, dried Aspergillus niger fermentation extract, dried Trichoderma longibrachiatum fermentation extract, dried Bacillus subtilis fermentation extract, freeze dried beef, freeze dried beef heart, freeze dried beef liver, pumpkin seeds, ground beef bone, butternut squash, broccoli, lettuce, spinach, dried kelp, salmon oil, apple cider vinegar, parsley, honey, olive oil, alfalfa sprouts, persimmons, inulin, rosemary, sage, clove, rosemary extract

Fiber (estimated dry matter content) = 6.7%

Red items when present indicate controversial ingredients

Estimated Nutrient Content
MethodProteinFatCarbs
Guaranteed Analysis23%13%NA
Dry Matter Basis25%14%53%
Calorie Weighted Basis22%31%47%

The first ingredient in this dog food is beef. Although it’s a quality item, raw beef contains about 80% water. After cooking, most of that moisture is lost, reducing the meat content to just a fraction of its original weight.

After processing, this item would probably account for a smaller part of the total content of the finished product.

The second ingredient is turkey meal. Turkey meal is considered a meat concentrate and contains nearly 300% more protein than fresh turkey.

The third ingredient is barley. Barley is a starchy carbohydrate supplying fiber and other healthy nutrients. Unlike grains with a higher glycemic index, barley can help support more stable blood sugar levels.

The fourth ingredient is brown rice, a complex carbohydrate that (once cooked) can be fairly easy to digest. However, aside from its natural energy content, rice is of only modest nutritional value to a dog.

The fifth ingredient is oatmeal, a whole-grain product made from coarsely ground oats. Oatmeal is naturally rich in B-vitamins, dietary fiber and can be (depending upon its level of purity) gluten-free.

The sixth ingredient mentions peas. Peas are a quality source of carbohydrates. And like all legumes, they’re rich in natural fiber.

However, peas contain about 25% protein, a factor that must be considered when judging the actual meat content of this dog food.

The seventh ingredient is chicken fat. Chicken fat is obtained from rendering chicken, a process similar to making soup in which the fat itself is skimmed from the surface of the liquid.

Chicken fat is high in linoleic acid, an omega-6 fatty acid essential for life. Although it doesn’t sound very appetizing, chicken fat is actually a quality ingredient.

The eighth ingredient is menhaden fish meal, another protein-rich meat concentrate.

Menhaden are small ocean fish related to herring. They’re rich in protein and omega-3 fatty acids. What’s more, in their mid-depth habitat, menhaden are not exposed to mercury contamination as can be typical with deep water species.

Fish meal is typically obtained from the “clean, dried, ground tissue of undecomposed whole fish and fish cuttings” of commercial fish operations.1

We are pleased to note that, unlike many fish meals, this particular item appears2 to be ethoxyquin-free.

The ninth ingredient is alfalfa meal. Although alfalfa meal is high in plant protein (about 18%) and fiber (25%), this hay-family item is more commonly associated with horse feeds.

The tenth ingredient is flaxseed, one of the best plant sources of healthy omega-3 fatty acids. Provided they’ve first been ground into a meal, flax seeds are also rich in soluble fiber.

From here, the list goes on to include a number of other items.

But to be realistic, ingredients located this far down the list (other than nutritional supplements) are not likely to affect the overall rating of this product.

With five notable exceptions

First, montmorillonite clay, is a naturally occurring compound rich in many trace minerals. Montmorillonite has been approved for use in USDA Organic Certified products.

Reported benefits include the binding of certain mold-based toxins and even controlling diarrhea and irritable bowel syndrome (IBS).

Next, salmon oil is naturally rich in the prized EPA and DHA type of omega-3 fatty acids. These two high quality fats boast the highest bio-availability to dogs and humans.

Depending on its level of freshness and purity, salmon oil should be considered a commendable addition.

In addition, we note the inclusion of inulin, a starch-like compound made up of repeating units of carbohydrates and typically sourced from chicory root.

Not only is inulin a natural source of soluble dietary fiber, it’s also a prebiotic used to promote the growth of healthy bacteria in a dog’s digestive tract.

Next, this recipe contains dried fermentation products. Fermentation products are typically added to provide enzymes to aid the animal with digestion.

And lastly, we find chelated minerals, minerals that have been chemically attached to protein. This makes them easier to absorb. Chelated minerals are usually found in better dog foods.

Nature’s Variety Prairie Dry Dog Food
The Bottom Line

Judging by its ingredients alone, Nature’s Variety Prairie dry dog food looks like an above average dry product.

But ingredient quality by itself cannot tell the whole story. We still need to estimate the product’s meat content before determining a final rating.

The dashboard displays a dry matter protein reading of 25%, a fat level of 14% and estimated carbohydrates of about 53%.

As a group, the brand features an average protein content of 27% and a mean fat level of 15%. Together, these figures suggest a carbohydrate content of 50% for the overall product line.

And a fat-to-protein ratio of about 54%.

Near-average protein. Near-average fat. And near-average carbs when compared to a typical dry dog food.

When you consider the protein-boosting effect of the peas, this looks like the profile of a kibble containing a moderate amount of meat.

Bottom line?

Nature’s Variety Prairie dry dog food is a plant-based kibble using a moderate amount of named meats and meals as its main sources of animal protein, thus earning the brand 4 stars.

Highly recommended.

Those looking for an excellent wet product from the same company may wish to read our review of Nature’s Variety Prairie Canned Dog Food.

You can see a recap of all the product lines made by this company by visiting our summary page… Nature’s Variety Dog Food Reviews.

Please note some products may have been given higher or lower ratings based upon our estimate of their total meat content.

Special Alert

Rice ingredients can sometimes contain arsenic. Until the US FDA establishes safe upper levels for arsenic content, pet owners may wish to limit the total amount of rice fed in a dog's daily diet.

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Notes and Updates

11/01/2009 Original review
06/07/2011 Review updated (added 2 puppy recipes)
12/21/2012 Review updated
12/21/2012 Last Update

  1. Association of American Feed Control Officials
  2. According to Nature’s Variety’s website
  • Melissaandcrew

    What was your dog’s diagnosis?

  • Emily

    So very sorry for your loss and thank you for taking the time to warn us…

  • Tracy

    Sorry about your horrible story-I believe every word of it. The company used to be better-I would stay away from this company and food. There are much better companies out there without any recall and they use human grade ingredients, do quality control etc. In my opinion the best out there are Vet preferred/Health extension, Fromm, Annaemat and Horizon.

  • Tracy

    I also believe that phosphorus/calcium levels are essential for large breeds. If I had a large breed puppy I would rotate between the Fromm Gold Large Breed and the Horizon. These companies use human grade ingredients and are one of the best out there. Great for digestion too.

  • Coreysmom

    As one of those leaving comments about my horrifying experience with Nature’s Variety Prairie, I can only restate that my experience was both needlessly sad and avoidable had the company been more honest and forthright regarding product issues they were experiencing with Nature’s Variety Prairie Beef & Barley kibble. I was very brand loyal and had fed my beloved Havanese the brand for over 6 years before problems ensued last May 2012. It was Nature’s Variety’s dishonesty and failure to disclose problems in a timely manner that ultimately lead or at the very least contributed to my dear dog’s demise. I resent the suggestion that there were other health issues (my dog was 7 years old) or that my experience is a fabrication. I add my experience here as a warning that the company did not deal fairly or honestly in disclosing products issues I brought to the attention, not once but twice within a few weeks. They instead chose to ignore or cover it up. If you doubt my experience, I’ll gladly furnish my dog’s vet records and bills.

  • InkedMarie

    Wow, that is too bad they lowered the protein. I never had much luck with Prairie, resulted in huge poops but I know people who have used it with good luck

  • LawofRaw

    Kimlee10,

    Take into consideration that there may have been other contributing factors at hand which could have caused issues with their dogs, regarding reviews you may have read, carrying negative connotations. Unfortunately, the other thing to consider (I’m not saying that that is a fact, just a possibility) is that not all posted reviews could be entirely true. Consider the possibilities of agendas.

    I hope I am not offending anyone by saying above, as I would be lying if I didn’t admit that I certainly consider those possibilities. :)

  • LawofRaw

    Hi Kimlee10,

    There is another option…..How do you feel about feeding your dog, a raw diet? I, sadly hear that in America, most people are incredibly afraid of the concept of feeding a raw diet. Although the numbers are decreasing thanks to sites like this one that used to have the raw feeders’ heads on a platter, figuratively speaking, lol. The coin has almost flipped on that front which is great! Have you had a look at the Suggested Raw Food thread, and list? Have you considered a diet for your dog, as close as possibly available to you in your area, as a diet based on the “prey model” as Mother Nature intended.

    Here is a link to a US Raw Feeding Support Group if you’re interested, http://www.usrmb.net/. I hope the owner of this site doesn’t mind me posting that. There is also a lot of support here for you, offering an abundance of raw feeding advice. I don’t want to assume that you’d be interested. However, should you have more questions and queries you’d answered to put your mind and any concerns at rest, by all means just ask. There are a bunch of great raw feeders here who’d be happy to assist. :)

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Hi kimlee10 –

    IMO – Nature’s Variety is a great company that makes great food. When I fed kibble I used their Instinct dry and canned foods frequently in my rotation. I still use their Instinct biscuit and freeze-dried treats. If you scroll through the thread for almost any food you’ll see reports of dogs getting sick “because of the food.” The thing is, many people automatically assume the food is at fault when their dog gets sick when it’s very likely the food played no part. The only time I pay any attention to the complaints about a food is if there are several and all the dogs in the complaints are exhibiting similar symptoms.

  • aimee

    Hi Kimlee 10!

    Congrats on your new pup. I’ve listed some grain inclusive foods with proper cal levels here: https://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/canine-nutrition/hip-dysplasia-dogs/#comment-510071572

    and here: https://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/canine-nutrition/hip-dysplasia-dogs/#comment-513500240

  • kimlee10

    but its not a “bad” food. is there health concerns with it? one guy had stated that it “killed” his dog pretty much

  • Hound Dog Mom

    It is hard to find a good food, unfortunately. The list I provided is only grain-free 4 and 5 star dry foods there are certainly more options if you want to look into grain-inclusive, wet foods and/or foods rated less than 4 stars. Whatever food you feed just contact the company and ask for the actual level of calcium in the food (make sure they don’t just give you the minimum – which is what’s usually stated on the package). Most foods with 1.2% calcium or less should be okay.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Nature’s Variety recently reformulated the Prairie formulas and the regular formulas have all been reduced in protein – they now range from only 22.5% protein to 25% protein. Both the regular and the large breed puppy formulas have 26% protein. The Prairie Large Breed Puppy formula would be an okay choice, although I would never personally consider feeding a kibble with less than 30% protein. Nature’s Variety makes another line of kibble that is grain-free and higher quality called Instinct – it’s a bit more expensive but the Rabbit formula and the Limited Ingredient Turkey formula are appropriate for large breed growth.

  • kimlee10

    also thats not much food to choose from on there, well not much that I have heard of.. now Im also reading bad reviews about how prarie made some dogs sick, ugh it seems so hard to find a good food!

  • kimlee10

    thank you for all the info. what about the reg prarie puppy? it has 28% protien, not sure on the calcium though

  • Pattyvaughn

    Here is some info and a list of foods that is appropriate for large breed puppies.

    http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/forums/topic/large-and-giant-breed-puppy-nutrition/

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Hi Kimlee –

    Large breed puppies do not need reduced protein levels. I agree with not feeding Merrick kibble to a large breed puppy, but not due to the protein levels – due to the calcium levels. Merrick’s formulas are too high in calcium for large breed puppies. Many – vets, breeders and owners alike – are under the false assumption that protein contributes to developmental orthopedic disease in growing large breed puppies – there is no correlation between protein levels and incidence of developmental orthopedic disease. There is, however, a correlation between high levels of calcium (>3.5 g. per 1,000 kcal.) and excess energy (calories) and developmental orthopedic disease. I have large breed dogs (bloodhounds) that range in size from 68 lbs. to 110 lbs. My two year old female was weaned onto high protein dehydrated foods (>30%) and high protein canned foods (>40%) when she came home at 8 weeks old, she was then transitioned to a high protein raw diet (45% – 55%) at 8 months old. My newest pup (now 11 months old) was weaned directly onto a high protein raw diet (45% – 55%) at 8 weeks old. I kept the calcium consumption for both pups below the safe upper level recommended by veterinary nutritionists and controlled portions to keep the pups in optimal body condition – both pups experienced slow, controlled growth. Protein should not be restricted for healthy dogs of any age – especially not for growing puppies.

    Excerpt from “Nutritional Risks to Large and Giant Breed Dogs: From Weaning to the Geriatric Years” by Susan D. Lauten, PhD:

    Currently, no evidence exists to suggest that high-protein intake contributes to the development of orthopedic disease in growing large breed puppies. Previous studies suggesting a risk for high protein and DOD were confounded by higher energy intake in high protein foods.

    Excerpt from “Growth and Skeletal Development of Great Dane Pups Fed Different Levels of Protein Intake” (a study featured in the Journal of Nutrition):

    It is concluded that in this study the difference in protein intake per se did not effect the occurrence of disturbed skeletal development in young Great Danes and that an etiologic role for dietary protein in the development of osteochondrosis in dogs is unlikely.

    Excerpt from “Slow Growth Diets for Giant Breed Puppies” by Karen Becker DVM:

    Researchers have studied the diets of large breed dogs for over 30 years to understand the link between improper nutrition and skeletal problems.

    Studies have repeatedly concluded dietary protein levels have no effect on the development of skeletal problems in large and giant breed dogs.

    But still today, many breeders of large dogs, owners and even some veterinarians will tell you protein is the problem, even though there is no evidence to prove it.

    Protein excess is not the problem. In fact, it’s often a dietary protein deficiency that contributes to skeletal problems.

    The elements of nutrition that have been scientifically proven to negatively impact skeletal development in puppies are excessive calories and high or unbalanced mineral content, specifically calcium and phosphorus.

    The Prairie formula does have appropriate levels of calcium, however it’s rather low in protein (imo). Here is a list of 4 and 5 star grain-free foods that have appropriate calcium levels for large breed growth:

    https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwApI_dhlbnFY183Q0NVRXlidWc/edit

  • kimlee10

    So my vet wanted me to switch my Anatolian Shepherd (mother was about 140lbs) off Merrick Puppy onto a adult food, for the protien she said was too high in puppy…. i felt like at 10 weeks old she should get the nutrients though from puppy food? so i started switching to the prarie large breed puppy since, it had the same protien level as the prarie adult.. but had the stuff for puppies….. any ideas on this would be helpful!

  • http://www.facebook.com/scott.guilmette.1 Scott Guilmette

    Fox Red Labs are considered the true Yellow Lab ( First reported Yellow Lab was dark in color but the breeders didn’t like that color and let it fade out. In the 1980′s I believe, the color was brought back )

  • annie

    the pet shop we brought NV advise us add seasupreme by holistic animal care. they said it helps with the pigament. we just want her to be well & healthy.

  • annie

    thank you. i too think there must be some ingredients that keeps her nose dark. we just feed her a little new kibbles, nose color changes instantneously.my dog is 7, we don’t ask her to be a 100 percent dark nose beauty, but we just wanna make sure, it isn’t bad allergy or so. she now does hv soft stool, we feeds new prairie vension, the kibble is softer than old formula (vension&mill), pool is in shape but all soft insides.still under observation. thanks a lot for helping, i go check ” snow nose” on google now

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    My fosters have also done well with Nutrisource. I mostly give them the Grain Free Lamb or the Heartland Select and just once the Small Breed Puppy. My fosters don’t get a transition either. Straight to my house and to new food. I do give them 1/4-1/2 teaspoon of ground psyllium (like Metamucil) for a few days and it helps alot otherwise I’m spraying out crates for a couple days every day. Heartland Select is a little lower in protein than the Lamb Meal. And I usually feed a little less of Nutrisource. The fosters also get a variety of kibbles, not just one brand and no problems with changing.

  • Pattyvaughn

    Aren’t we all!!! I actually have a very quirky sense of humor so I just find it funny. My kids think I’m crazy when I just start snickering and they ask why and I tell them so and so misspelled my name again. They aren’t seeing it right below my screen name after all.

  • losul

    Hi Patty.

    Hehe, I apologize for that. Believe it or not, I just realized a few days ago that I’d probably been misspelling your name all along, or at least for some time.. I think the last time or two I replied to you, I finally got it right?

    I’ll definitely be more careful, but no guarantees, I’m getting old ya know..

  • Pattyvaughn

    You’re number 3 today and Losul is not even on here today.

  • Baxdogg

    Thank you everyone for your answers to my questions below! They are very helpful. I may give Nutrisource a try, if this kibble doesn’t work out.

  • Shawna

    Oops!! LOL! I know better too… :-)

  • Pattyvaughn

    LOL! I’m going to start calling everybody Losul. He started calling me Patti instead of Patty. Now everyone is.

  • Shawna

    I agree with Patti. Probiotics are picked up from the mother during child birth. They are breathed in from the air as well as eaten when our pups pick up sticks etc while outside (soil based organisms). They can be killed off by poor diet, antibiotics, chlorinated water etc but they are supposed to be there for our health (us and our pets). When they repopulate the gut they can cause some symptoms but symptoms are not always a bad thing. Symptoms can also be a sign of healing. I see it in my foster dogs ALL THE TIME..

  • Pattyvaughn

    We all have probiotics in our system, unless we are the bubbleboy or something. We have to have them, they are a vital part of our immune system.
    Likely, the problem with your dog and the new food was that his system needed a little help getting used to the new food. Our bodies adjust to what they are fed. If we ate the same thing for every meal for a while and suddenly started eating something else, the bacteria in our gut would have adjusted for what we were eating and would not handle the change and we would get an upset stomach until we got used to it.
    Probiotics help rebalance the bacteria in the gut. The problem with probiotics already in food is that probiotics are very delicate, and the way they ship and store dog food are almost guaranteed to kill probiotics.
    Digestive enzymes also help dogs adjust to changes in their food until their system adjusts. Many dogs do benefit from having a little fiber added to a high protein food, a spoonful of pure canned pumpkin added to each meal for a while usually does the trick.
    I hope this helps.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    Hi Baxdogg,

    I think I might have missed some of your posts, but it sounds like you’ve needed to make a quick switch due to the recall and have had some issues with loose / eating stool while on other diets; and possibly some failure to thrive as a result.

    One food that I think is very good and has an excellent price point is NutriSource. It’s pretty widely available in stores and online as well. They have grain free and grain inclusive, depending on your preference. If you’re looking to make a quick switch, the Adult Chicken & Rice seems to be very well tolerated by most dogs that try it.

    Try adding a spoonful of plain, canned pumpkin during your transition and if you can, some digestive enzymes and probiotics; I like and use the ones from healthypets.mercola.com. You could also try adding a spoonful of Greek yogurt or some kefir to his food.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Hi Baxdogg –

    The fact that the kibble is coated in freeze-dried raw is a good thing – imo. Freeze-dried raw is raw food that has had all the moisture removed to create a shelf-stable product. Many companies sell freeze-dried raw foods (usually comes in medallions and you add water), a couple coat their kibble in freeze-dried raw (NV and Great Life are the two I know of) and other add chunks of freeze-dried raw to the kibble (NV and Wysong). It just boosts the species-appropriateness of the food. The freeze-dried raw coating is one of the reasons I think NV Instinct is one of the best kibbles on the market.

  • Baxdogg

    Yes, I think I saw some of those. One of the reasons I am concerned about this food. The bag also says the kibble is sprayed with “freeze dried raw coating”…. I don’t even know what that means or if it is hygienic in a product that is kept at room temperature in a bag. I’m sorry if anyone reading this thinks I’m not very educated about this… they would be right!

  • Baxdogg

    HI, Sandy, I am not mixing the old with the new because the old got recalled and I had to throw it away. Bummer, because it defeats the whole “transition slowly” concept! I took another look at his deposit this afternoon and it wasn’t as bad as I thought. The new food NV Prairie has probiotics in it. I just got it yesterday so I haven’t tried anything else yet. I probably will try to look for something else because of the price and some of the comments from other people regarding this brand, but I don’t want to switch yet without having some plan. The recall caught me by surprise, so I haven’t got a plan yet! When he had problems before (on Blue) the pumpkin didn’t really help, but boiled chicken and rice diet for a few days then switching to a new food did the trick. Thanks for the questions!

  • Baxdogg

    Hi, crazy4cats, by nutrient dense I mean it seemed like the food was too rich for him and his system just required more bulk for a given amount of nutrient. I felt like some of the food may have been passing through undigested which was causing both the loose stools and the poop-eating. I know that’s contrary to the concept of most of the foods discussed here, but the california natural seemed to meet the requirement for him, and it is what his vet suggested as a replacement. He also has never eaten stool with California Natural. He has been doing great on it but now it has been recalled and I had to make a sudden switch. He loves the taste of the NV prairie though.

    I am also wondering about the probiotics in the food. It is in both NV Prairie and Blue. I personally am unable to eat probiotic yogurt and things like that because it upsets my system and I wonder if that is what is going on with my dog. Both Blue and NV have that. I know it’s supposed to be beneficial but I think some individuals just can’t tolerate that.

  • beaglemom

    Their Instinct line is much better, imo. Prairie seems to cause more problems for some reason which is weird. My dogs have done very well with the Instinct canned food and treats and I plan to use some of the kibble in the future. However, if I had the experience that you did, I’d probably stay away from them altogether too.

  • OR Dane

    Sisu: I really need to go away as it was never my intention to start commenting on this site. But I saw your post and will tell you what I know about the loss of pigmentation on the nose from two specialists I use. Simply it can at times be caused by a virus and other times by a drop in the immune system. Sometimes you can address that with diet and sometimes not. I truly am not out here plugging Vet visits but know it can sometimes be addressed. I hope this helps a bit.

  • crazy4cats

    I’ll see if I can figure out how to do it. My human boys are deep into their baseball schedules. Haven’t had a lot of time at home lately. Shhhhh…I’m at work right now. lol!

  • Coreysmom

    I’ve left previous messages regarding my horrific experience with Nature’s Variety Prairie that resulted in my dog being put down. I’d stay as far away from their products, if you love your dog. Find a more reliable, responsible, caring, trustworthy company. This one only cares about revenues and profits.

  • sisu

    Google “snow nose”. You will find suggested causes and remedies for the lack of pigment on the nose and around the eyes. Many of the remedies are dietary. Blue Buffalo is a heavily supplemented food. It is possible that the new food has less or is missing an ingredient that is in Blue Buffalo that keeps the pigment dark. Compare all of the ingredients in Blue Buffalo to the ingredients in the new food. Then, compare all of the ingredients that are missing in the new food with the many suggested remedies to determine what you may need to add to keep the color dark. Friends have had success with vitamins B, C, D, E, kelp or 3 hours of direct sunlight several times each week. It can take months to see an improvement when making a dietary change.

    Make any change in food very gradual by a adding a few pieces of new kibble each day. When there is soft stool, back up and feed less of the new food for 4-5 days. When the stool is back to normal return to adding a few pieces of the new food each day. This will allow the digestive system time to develop the enzymes needed to successfully digest the food.

    Feeding 1/4 Blue Buffalo and 3/4 of the new food may allow it to act as a supplement. There may be enough of the missing/lacking ingredient to correct the problem.

    Make sure you are not making the food change with the seasons or when the dog is inside more. Less sunlight can lighten the nose and pigment around the eyes.

    Google “snow nose labrador” to read the info related to genetic pigment change in light colored Labs.

    Other terms used, sometimes incorrectly, are winter nose, Dudley nose and butterfly nose.

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    Are you mixing his old and new food or did you completely stop the CN? Are you using canned pumpkin or ground psyllium to help his stool? Are you using probiotics or digestive enzymes to help with digestion? How long was he eating CN Chicken and Rice? Have you looked for another limited ingredient food similar to CN like Nutro Natural Choice?

  • LabsRawesome

    Hey crazy4cats, any pics of your pups you’d like to share? :)

  • crazy4cats

    Hi Labs-
    I live in the Pacific Northwest. Last year my boss ordered a female red lab online from a breeder in Missouri. I think they call it fox red if I remember correctly. He loved the red color and it was from a reputable hunting dog breeder. They sent her via airplane. I was scared about that process. But, she arrived all in one piece!. Of course, he has not trained her for hunting. She is up on the couch with his other two dogs. Lol! She is quite pretty and apparently a very sweet dog. One of my pups is almost as red as his father is 1/2 golden retriever and 1/2 chocolate lab. Mine will turn two in July. I’m not sure if I’ll be able to quit call them “pups” as the word dogs sounds so boring!

  • crazy4cats

    Hi Baxdogg-
    I guess I’m wondering what you mean by “nutrient dense?” Do you mean too much protein, too many ingredients, or too many vitamins? Neither the NV Prairie or the Blue Life Protection are really all that high in protein, but I think they both have a lot of ingredients. If you are looking for a food that has less rice or carbs, it means that it will be most likely higher in protein. I’ve used the Blue Life Protection, but thought it was very expensive for what you get. I haven’t tried the NV Prairie because I feel that the protein levels are way too low for the price. I’m trying Nutrisource now and am having very good luck with it. It is often recommended on this site as a successful transitional food. I’m using the grain-free lamb. It uses peas as a binder and it also has salmon meal as the third ingredient. Good luck, I know it is mind-boggling. I wish I paid as much attention to my own diet as my pets! Good luck.

  • Baxdogg

    OK, now he’s got diarrhea. What am I going to do?

  • LabsRawesome

    Hey HDM, yeah I’ve seen the reds (in pictures) too. I think the red and silver pups are so beautiful. Maybe they’ll change their minds, they used to think that yellow was a fault too, like 100 years ago. I have had people ask if my dog was a white lab. lol. I say no, she’s yellow. One dude said, really? She doesn’t look very yellow. :)

  • Baxdogg

    Question regarding NV Prairie dry food. I just bought a bag of NV Prairie Chicken Meal and Brown Rice. I had been feeding California Natural Chicken and Rice but it was recalled yesterday. My pet food store recommended Blue Buffalo but since that had given my dog persistent diarrhea in the past they recommended the NV Prairie instead. Two feedings of this and my dog seems fine, but I am disturbed by the reviews I am reading below. I had been considering switching to Fromm grain-free, but the store associate felt that might be too rich for my dog, considering his reaction to Blue. Does anyone have an opinion on this? My dog was ok on Blue (it was the one with Lifesource Bits) as a young dog but as his growth slowed he developed diarrhea and began eating stool (all stool samples were negative for parasites/infections). My vet and I felt it was too nutrient dense for him, even the adult version of the food. I would like a food that is not that nutrient dense but would also like to try to get him off of eating rice-based products all the time, and I would prefer a kibble or a mixture of kibble and canned. Any help would be appreciated, since the choices are just mind-boggling. My dog is a 3 year old Golden Retriever.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    I had a red (“yellow”) lab. I picked her because all the pups in the litter were typical yellow lab color (white-ish) and she was this golden brown color. When I first took her to the vet my vet said her coloring was very undesirable and it’s considered a fault, I thought she was unique though. I’ve noticed online recently some breeders are actually breeding for the red color in labs.

  • LabsRawesome

    Hey Betsy, I thought the same thing when I saw one. :) Some people are very upset about people breeding for the silver color. I think they are very striking dogs. I read somewhere when the yellow color popped up that they used to kill the pups. Just for being yellow. How ignorant and sad.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    I had a black lab myself and had never heard of or seen a silver lab, until recently. We saw him in one of the pet stores we shop at recently. He was pretty… the color reminded me of a Weimaraner.

  • LabsRawesome

    Hey- I’d love to see some pics! :)

  • annie

    get email back from the company the food is safe. can keep up to 14 months. ^^we don’t hv much choices here, but please do recommend me some brands that is consider safe for 7 years old small breeds. we still want to find her something more suitable.

  • annie

    we use ceramic bowl,, both for food& water. we have medium size Pomeranian. if we feed her back her original food,her nose color turns back, (got soft stool, so we have to make a switch). it just happenes, we can’t explain neither.

  • annie

    yes, i do think so.our Pomeranian ,nose changes color when we feed her certain brand of pet food almost instantneously, vets does believe it, and put it as sunlight , aging. but the truth we found out whenever we put her on new food. it does make a differnece.

  • anniearies

    think so too.not much choice here. gotta to feed her nv vension for short-term before we found her sth new & available here.got soft stool eating bb**” thank u very much for helping

  • Crazy4cats

    Hi Labs-
    I’m not really that concerned. They are definitely not purebreds. Sometimes I honestly think they may have some hound in them. The darker one has sort of a bit of a wrinkly, droopy face. So cute! I just thought if I could bring back those black noses, I’d give it a shot. Looks like I might be stuck with pink noses since they likely are mostly yellow lab. Oh we’ll, I guess I’ll keep them anyway. Lol! (I hope you know I’m kidding). Thanks for the tips. I bought some new stainless steel bowls today anyway.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    No, the AKC won’t recognize silver labs as their own breed. They can be registered but they have to be registered as chocolate labs.

  • LabsRawesome

    Hi Crazy4cats, In any litter of Labs you can get all 3 colors, black, yellow, & chocolate. There are even silver Labs. I don’t think the silver ones are recognized by the AKC. My Purebred yellow Lab was born with a black nose, it changed to pink. Which happens a lot with the yellow ones. I think it’s pretty normal. She is the best dog in the world, no matter what color her nose is!!!

  • Crazy4cats

    Oops! I mean 1/4 chocolate lab, not black. Also, if it is from bowls, could the lightening be reversed? Thanks, Deanna

  • Crazy4cats

    Hi-
    Yes, I have labs. I believe they are 1/2 yellow, 1/4 black, and 1/4 golden retriever. One is a copper color and one is a little lighter. I do use metal and ceramic bowls most of the time for food and water. I think I will buy new ones today. Not sure if the metal is actually stainless or not. I hope that helps. I don’t want them to have pink noses. Otherwise, I’m gonna have to get out the shoe polish :)

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Hi Crazy4cats –

    Why type of bowls do your dogs eat and drink out of? Allergies to plastic and rubber can cause depigmentation in the noses of some dogs – that’s why it’s best to use ceramic or stainless steel. There’s a condition called vitiligo that can cause the nose and other skin to lose pigmentation. Sun can cause lightening in the nose as well. Also – correct me if I’m wrong – but you have labs right? Yellow labs have a genetic predisposition to the listening of the nose – often their noses change from black to a pinkish color as they age.

  • Crazy4cats

    Hi-
    Do you think there s a correlation between food and losing color in the nose. My pups had black noses when we brought them home. Now, at one year, nine months old, their noses are much lighter in color. I’m actually a little disappointed. My dad told me to put black shoe polish on their noses. Lol!

  • Pattyvaughn

    If the color changes back when you switch foods, then it’s not age, it’s an intolerance to something in the food and if you feed this long term you will start seeing more symptoms. See if you can find NutriSource in your area. It is an easy to transition to food of good quality and not to expensive.

  • annie

    anyone feed nv vension & mill ? i know they changed formula.we live oversea, that’s all we can get here . exp oct . i used to feed my dog bb, but now, limited ingredient is not avai here , besides she been on that for a year, time for a change, she got soft stool from other bb products. nv instinct seemed too high in protein for her. i noticed the color change in nose&eyes when we feeding her this new food.just wanna know if anyone feed this to their dog and feel ok ?

  • anniearies@livemail.tw

    we did tried limited ingredient lamb& turkey, got powdery stools too, then we stops feeding.

  • annie

    hi, i just starts transit from blue buffalo to natural’s variety Prairie vension. my dog is 7 years old, the thing happened is, when we feed her blue her eyes and nose are perfectly black in color. when we feed her prairie, all else is fine, but her nose fades, and eyes turn brown, is it alright/normal ? or anyone can tell me any possible reasons that cause this? we are pretty sure it’s the food, as we feed her bb , the color turning back, but she continues getting soft pool for a week, we have to change her food. i don’t know if it’s allergy ( i mean the color change in nose/eyes with food ) or is it all normal, as she is aging? please help if anyone have any idea or been on this food.

  • Emily

    Hi Andres, I live in Mexico as well and have extensively investigated the different options available here. Nature´s Variety is really the best there is, I purchase it online from a store in Monterrey. Hola Andres, Yo también vivo en México y he investigado las opciones que hay aquí y confío que NV es la mejor, la compro en linea de una tienda en Monterrey.

  • Storm’s Mom

    He’s asking Iliana if she could recommend NV or a better brand. He’s getting a puppy and looking for the best choice, but says there are not many good options in Mexico where he lives.

  • InkedMarie

    Andreas, I don’t think theres a way for us to translate (if you can read this)

  • andres

    Hola Iliana, ¿recomiendas NV o mejor otra marca? me estan por entregar mi cachorro y estoy buscando la mejor opcion de croquetas. Yo tambien vivo en Mexíco y no hay muchas opciones buenas

    Saludos y gracias!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/iliana.sandoval.509 Iliana Sandoval

    I have a one year old maltese and i have been feeding him on NAture Variety Prairie, and Instinct for around 6 months now. 3 months ago he started to get very ugly tear stains. Have any of you noticed anything like this happenning to your dogs while feeding them on NV? i live in Mexico city and there are not many options for high quality kibbles in here. I appreciate any advise.

  • Iliana

    I have a one year old maltese and i have been feeding him on NV Prairie, and Instinct for around 5 months now. 3 months ago he started to get very ugly tear stains. Have any of you noticed anything like this happenning to your dogs? i live in Mexico city and there are not many options for hogh quality kibbles in here. Thank you for any advise and help.

  • neezerfan

    The NV frozen Raw does not have added vitamins,

  • Lisa

    I am a demo person for NV. I have found the raw beef medallions to a great source of moisture and protein for my dog and one of my cats. That being said, I am very unhappy with what transpired. I have a 16 year old dog. He developed very bad diarrhea and nearly died this week. He only eats NV Instinct/occasionally Prairie and I switched him from Instinct Chicken to Instinct LID Turkey. (we are instructed that switching between the lines will not cause problems) Previous to the diarrhea he had dried light stool for the time he was on LID. (about 3 weeks) Apparently the dry light stool is from lack of good bacteria, which allowed his system to be overwhelmed by the bad and that resulted in diarrhea. I am researching the exact cause within the food. I read many of the posts and the customer service answers are not helpful–I have heard this from other people. I discovered the smelly beef kibble that was recalled last Spring in one of my stores and was told there were no other complaints about it. Really?! Then the recall was declared later in 2012. NV was purchased by venture capitalists in the last few years and are very much about the bottom line$$.
    My TSM told me that about 95% of “vitamins” in dog and cat food ARE sourced from China–a big problem for me–and NV gets there vitamins there too! My suggestion is to feed a grain free, whole meat food as first ingredient and to supplement with a moist product. There are a few on the market, For goodness sake–please do not buy Hills Science–they pay for some vets to go through school and in turn the vets promoted their product–it is crap! I will be changing all my animals from NV (and I get free food + a great hourly) and resigning my demo job. There are so many stories I have heard from store owners and managers about problems with the company response to THEM as well as customers that I had a hard time in the beginning believing them but now, after all this, I am believe and I am DONE.
    If anyone has info on soft, fluffy, extra dry almost powdery stools after feeding NV of any kibble line, please post here. I would like to figure this out. FYI I examine my dog’s #2 every day and now what he is eating at all times –even if he is outside. He is fine now after vet intervened. Thank you!

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    They have been reformulated and now have lower protein than before at just 25% instead of 29% like the other formulas.  Not sure if all of them will change as those are the only ones so far on their website that are different.

  • Emily

    Hi Sandy, Thanks for the info. Your photo is great- looks just like my Carmelo!

  • Emily

    Can anyone tell me why the Beef and Barley, Lamb and Oatmeal and Venison and Barley varieties have 3.5 stars instead of 4?

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    My pugs mostly ate the Instinct Duck formula, only needed 2/3 cup a day.  I also started out with Prairie Salmon.  It took one of my pugs about a month or two to transition to the Instinct (soft stool) but then was ok.  The others transitioned probably in 3 weeks.  I transition one week at a time.  One week of 25/75, one week of 50/50 or until they get used to it and then 75/25 until they are ready for 100% new.

  • Emily

    Hello all, thanks of all, thanks for all the good information. This is a great resource. I live in Mexico and a lot of the super premium dog foods are not available here. I have a two year old pug and was feeding him Kirkland Adult Dry Dog Food but with the Diamond recall and apparent ongoing problems, I decided to switch to Nature´s Variety Prairie, since it was one of the only other 4 star dog food brand available down here. I´ve tried both Lamb and Chicken varieties and so far, so good. Carmelo seems to have less gas, too. The only downside I see is that he tends to defecate more. Does anyone have experience with Pugs and Nature´s Variety Instinct?

  • Mksjan25

    I’m curious about your experience with NV Beef & Barley.  Was the off-smelling product you referred manufactured before the 7/12/12 recall or after?  If it was pre-recall, did you ever contact Nature’s Variety to advise them of your problem? 
    Just wondering since I did call them back in May 2012 to complain and they shrugged it off as an isolated experience.  When they sent me a replacement coupon, the 2nd bag purchased that the same issue and again NV failed to acknowledge anything wrong with the product.  Five months later, I still cannot get over their lapse in responsibility in contacting me regarding the recall (email or snail mail) or anyone else who may have complained, which signals an underlying concern for profits over the health & welfare of our beloved pets. Don’t think I could ever trust them again.

  • sandy

    Some of the Prairie formulas have been reformulated.  Not sure if all of them are going to be.  That could be a possible reason for the different smell.  So far the beef, lamb and venison formulas have changed.

  • Lucy321

    Thank you for all the replies to my question from over 2 months ago. Thank you for all the suggestions, I am keeping a list of everything. We’re still on the same bag of food that we had when I posted originally, so i’m still narrowing down my choices. I have though about switching to grain free but haven’t yet because I see a lot of people saying grain free formulas are too rich for their doggies. But I might try. My pug doesn’t really have issues with the chicken NV that she’s eating now, but I like to switch the type of meat every bag. She sneezes and scratches her ears occasionally but that seems to correlate with grass cutting outside :)

  • Betsy Greer

    Oops… time.  I have an old browser at work and can’t see what I’m typing until after I post it… which is obviously too late.  I also have no hesitation when it comes to Orijen and Acana.

  • Betsy Greer

    Hi Myfinthing,

    I’m a worrier , too.  I have no hesitation about NV and use the Instinct line.  I even use their rabbit formula ~ I understand the rabbit in their kibble comes from France and not China.  I also have no qualms about Brothers Complete, which is a fantastic food ~ highly recommend!  I love that Toxed once referred to Brothers as “finely crafted.”  I agree.  They’ve never had any recalls, are made in the USA of USA sourced ingredients.  I also wouldn’t hesitate to recommend Earthborn.  I’m going to try it again in my rotation although one of mine didn’t seem to do well on it and I attributed it to the canola (although he was just over two months old at the tirs. 

  • Storm’s Mom

    Myfinthing – for a salmon-based kibble, I would highly recommend Horizon Legacy Fish. NutriSource Grain-Free Lamb also has salmon.. my guy goes gaga over the taste of that one!! Earthborn Holistic Coastal Catch is herring-based, not salmon, but might be something to try.  I rotate what I feed him quite a bit, different primary protein with each bag, basically. He’s on Nature’s Logic Lamb right now.. I hesitate to suggest that one only because he’s a bit gassy on it, and he’s normally not gassy at all.  I agree with others that grain-free is the way to go.

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    Right now and in the past couple months my fosters have been eating Nutrisource Heartland Select GF, and Nature’s Select GF.  They all have eaten them without any problems and the food does not smell weird.  I didn’t transition in between the two foods either.  I’m almost done with the Heartland Select and have the Nutrisource Small & Med Breed Puppy (with grain and 32% protein) for some of my skinny fosters and also the GF Lamb.  My other pugs have been eating the Instinct Duck & Turkey and Brothers Complete and raw foods and canned foods for some time but initially transitioning to a grain free food took about a month or so.  I got down to an 20% old/80% new mix and used that for about a month.  I would definitely recommend probiotics/enzymes to help with digestion/gas and gut health.  Have you tried introducing her to some real raw food?  A raw chicken wing a day is pretty simple and cheap.  I haven’t used the new Merrick Classic or Grain Free yet only the old Classic Formula from years ago.  I would pick a couple foods they like and rotate through.

  • Melissaandcrew

    Myfinthing-

    For me, NV is a mixed bag of results : ) My very sensitive doberman primarily eats this brand and does very very well. About a month ago, she had some sudden loose stool issues, so not sure if that was just her, or a result of them switching manufacturers. She eats the Instinct chicken.

    I also had a bad bag of the beef/barley but last month tried the chicken mixed with the Instinct Limited Ingredient for the other dogs-they are fat sensitive and the regular Instinct has way too much fat for them. Poop was fine, food smelled fine, 5 lost some weight which does not make me happy.

    For the last week and 1/2 I have tried the Natures Logic. All did fine initially, but then as their systems seem to adjust, they started with a nasty yellow/beige pasty stool-not diarrhea. Some seem better today after I mixed another brand in with it.

    Point being, all are good foods and many dogs do very well on them. I would not, and did not hesitate to try them. they just did not work out the best for all my dogs- I am very concerned with recalls etc, but the malfunction of the preserving equipment for the Beef did not factor in for me.

  • InkedMarie

    What issues, if any, does she have? How’s her weight, coat, any ear infections, itchy?

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Myginthing –

    Have you thought about going grain-free? Nature’s Variety Instinct is great, despite the complaints about the Prairie Beef, I haven’t seen any complaints about this food. I know I used to feed it to my dog and he did great on it and I know people feeding it currently with no issues. Pretty much any of the 4 or 5 star foods would be a great choice, just read the comments about the food and see if you’re comfortable feeding it. I would personally go with a grain-free food over a grain-inclusive foods. The three grain-free foods my dog did best on were the Instinct (mentioned above), Orijen, and The Great Life. It’s been a long time since I’ve feed grain-inclusive but I think my dog did pretty well on the Merrick grain-inclusive and the Wysong Optimal Performance and Nature’s Logic look like good bets for as far grain-inclusive foods go.

  • Myfinthing

    So we switched our pug to this food about a year and a half ago, thinking that we have found the holy grail of kibble: reasonable price, little to no iffy ingredients, she loved it and her gas issues that she had on wellness stopped. Unfortunately, with all the problems people have been having with the beef and the subsequent recall, I’ve got half a mind to switch to something else. We did get beef once and I thought it smelled strange, but my husband thought it was the barley. The dog loved it and didn’t have health issues, so I calmed down. This was before I read about the dogs getting sick and way before the recall. Also, I thought the lamb smelled too much like stables or farm animal poop. The chicken is fine scent-wise and I was thinking about getting the salmon next, good fats for winter, etc. But I’m not sure how much longer I can take it–I tend to worry a lot even about small things, and the food of my little lucy is no small matter.
    So, which other similar brands do people recommend? I have looked at fromm and totw before but fromm had some ingredients I didn’t like and totw has too much smoked flavor and in the past she has rejected smoked flavor treats. In An ideal world, I would be cooking her food, but i don’t have a butcher for affordable quality meat so I have ruled out this option for now. So, what are your suggestions for kibble?

  • Mona

     The Beef Meal & Barley Medley variety of Nature’s Variety Prairie was recently recalled in July 2012 and has not reappeared on store shelves as of Sept 2012.  I reported problems with this product to the company in May 2012 and in June 2012, and the product was subsequently pulled.  Between the time I complained and the limited press release recalling the product was issued, my dog became very ill.  Not yet sure if it is related, but my 7 year old dog was feed Nature’s Variety dry kibble exclusively for the last 6 years.  I strongly recommend your analysis be based on a different variety, currently available to consumers.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com/ Mike Sagman

    Great answer HDM. Thanks for the details. Can’t wait to see your list.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    This is an article my vet provides to large breed puppy owners, the recommendations here for calories per gram and percent calcium equal just under 3.5 ca/per 1,000 kcal. (it calculated to 3.43 g. maybe? it’s been awhile since I did the math out, but right around 3.5):

    http://portais.ufg.br/uploads/66/original_Racas_grandes.pdf

    I believe the NRC sets 4.5 g. ca/1,000 as the safe upper limit. I know most breeders (and my vet also) recommend slightly lower amounts – like in this article. I found that 3.5 g. per 1,000 kcal. came to include formulas containing under 1.3% calcium (a few of the more calorie dense formulas still made the cut with percentages between 1.3% and 1.4%). I believe Aimee has cited 3.5 g. as being generally recommended by nutritionists as well if you look through the comments on the hip dysplasia linked to diet thread.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com/ Mike Sagman

    HDM,

    How did you arrive at the 3.5 g Ca/1000 kcal figure? I don’t mean how do you compute this figure but rather why not a higher or lower Ca number. Are you using the National Research Council recommendations? Or are you referencing an article?

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Sure thing Dr. Mike. As of now I’m up to 27 formulas from 16 different brands – more than I was expecting and I’ve still got a few more companies I’m waiting on- all 4 or 5 star grain-free foods, approved for all life stages or growth, and 3.5 g. ca/per 1,000 kcal. or less.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com/ Mike Sagman

    Hi HDM,

    Would you mind sending me an email when you post the list? If you don’t already have my email address, simply use the Contact Us link in the footer of any page on our website.

    Have you found many?

    It’s been my experience that there are so so few that qualify, we may need to ultimately include some 3-star recipes.

    Thanks for your help.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    I’ll definitely send it to you when it’s done – probably within a week, I plan on posting it here too. :)

  • BryanV21

    I’d love to see that list when you’re done with it. If you don’t mind sending it to me when it’s finished my email is bryanv@muttsandco.com.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Too bad, that’s way too high for a large breed puppy. :/

    I emailed them with some questions about calcium a couple days ago, they haven’t got back to me yet. I’m currently compiling a list of 4 and 5 star grain free foods with appropriate calcium levels for lbp’s. I’m pretty much done just waiting to hear back from a few more companies. I’m emailing them all to get the exact calcium levels rather than minimum.

  • melissa

     Eva-

    How about some canned to make up the moisture?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    I’ll throw this in as it’s fairly relevant here.  I emailed Nature’s Variety regarding the calcium content for the beef variety.  Here’s their reply:

    Thank you for e-mailing! Here’s more detailed nutritional information “as fed” for our Instinct Canine Beef Kibble:Sulfur – 0.38%
    Phosphorus – 1.59%
    Potassium – 0.69%
    Magnesium – 0.103%
    Calcium – 2.84%
    Sodium – 0.47%
    Copper 21 mg/kgSincerely,Shannon Consumer RelationsNature’s Variety1-888-519-7387www.naturesvariety.com 

  • Eva

    Hello, 
    I was hoping I could get some advice here. 

    I have  a 17 kg mixed breed dog, maybe a chow chow / retriever mix. He was abandoned so we don’t know his age, but we’ve had him for about 7 years, so he’s at least 8. 
    He’s pretty healthy, a few years ago he almost died from tick fever and now he’s a bit older he has problems with his vertebrae or at least that’s what the vet thinks. 
    Then I thought I should get better food and to my horror I found out that the Hill’s Science Diet I’m feeding him is really low quality. Somehow I assumed it’s better, because it’s a lot more expensive than the other dog feeds at the shop. I’m feel terrible now. 

    I bought a bag of Nature’s Variety Lamb & Oatmeal (same price as the Hill’s) at a special pet shop. I live in Hong Kong, so it’s a bit harder to find better dog food. 

    I read somewhere that you’re not supposed to pre-moisten this food, because of the citric acid and bloating. 

    I’ve just given my dog his first meal of a bit of the new and the old hill’s and he’s not eating it. I guess because normally he is used to some moisture. 

    Any idea what to do?

    Thanks, 

    Eva

  • Hound Dog Mom

     *should feed. Disqus wouldn’t let me edit the comment to fix my mistake lol.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Hi Stargazerlily17 –

    For your golden pup you should eat a food that’s appropriate for puppies – will be labeled “growth” or “all lifestages”. What you need to watch is calcium – it’s calcium that contributes to hip dysplasia not protein. The food you feed should have 3.5 g. calcium per 1,000 kcal. or less (generally 1.2% calcium or less). Since you said 42% protein I’m assuming you’re feeding the Nature’s Variety Instinct Chicken formula – 42% protein is nowhere near too high – all three of my bloodhounds (7 years, 1 1/2 years, 8 weeks) eat between 45% and 55% protein at each meal. You should always feed a food with at least 30% protein. Instinct is a wonderful food. The Chicken formula would be fine for your adult, however not for your pup as the calcium level is 2.49% – much too high. Looking through the Instinct formulas they’re all fairly high in calcium, the only formula that appears that it may be acceptable for a large breed puppy is the rabbit formula at 1.12%, I’d just suggest contacting Nature’s Variety to verify average calcium content as it states minimum, just to make sure the average is not too high. Some other high quality options for your pup would be The Great Life Grain-Free (Chicken, Buffalo, Duck varieties have appropriate calcium levels), this food is similar to Instinct (grain-free, potato free, high protein, coated in freeze-dried raw). I raised one of my bloodhound pups on The Honest Kitchen’s Love formula (grain-free, high protein, appropriate calcium). My newest bloodhound pup is eating a controlled calcium raw diet with between 45% and 55% protein at each meal.

    Here is some good reading:

    Hip Dysplasia in Dogs Linked to Improper Diet:
    http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/canine-nutrition/hip-dysplasia-dogs/

    Dog Food Protein:
    http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/frequently-asked-questions/dog-food-protein-faq/

    High Protein and Large Breed Puppies:
    http://acana.com/sites/default/files/High_Protein_and_Large%20Breed_Study.pdf

    Safety of High Dietary Protein:
    http://acana.com/sites/default/files/Pet-Food-Safety-Dietary-Protein.pdf

  • Stargazerlily17

    I’m so confused now what to feed my 8 year golden and soon to be new puppy. I am on my frost bag of nv instinct raw chicken and worry the 42% protein is too high. My 8 year old has awful gas he didn’t have with his old food but I don’t want to feed him NB anymore. I heard blue buffalo had major recalls a year or two ago due to contamination. My breeder said to stay away from puppy formulas for my golden pup due to skeletal growth way too fast leading to joint dysplasias. HELP!

  • Marcib

    Nv has gone down the drain! My kennel supplied the food and I fed my dogs for years. It’s not only the beef but now we have problems with the venison. So we returned the whole stock of food n we r switching to fromm n precise dog food. DO NOT FEED THIS FOOD. chicken seems to be fine now but its only a matter of time b4 this flavor is next.

  • Kshep167

     I bought a bag of Nature’s Variety Prairie- Chicken when Solid Gold Just a Wee Bit went out of stock.  She doesn’t like it.  I won’t be buying again.

  • Jan_Mom2Cavs

    Sad….the formula NV is recalling is the Beef & Barley, not the Venison, so if you have had issues with the Venison you should definitely let them know.  Also, save the food until you speak with them about it.  I never bought the Venison, so I can’t speak about it, but I did buy the Beef and it did smell “weird”.  I don’t feed NV anymore, though.

  • Sad

    Nature’s Variety Prairie (Dry) – Venison and Millet formula

    I just received by second bag of what seems to be rancid dog food that smells awful. My dog put one nose on it and looked at me as to say, “You eat it, I’m sure not gonna.”

    It’s the second bag of food that has smelled the same – I’m throwing it at as I am convinced its not good for the dogs.

    Very disappointed in this brand.

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  • Gail

    any problems with the lamb and oatmeal formula?

  • Eve_ii

    I have fed nv on and off for about 8 years and i have never had a problem with it or any of the formulas. I did have to stop feeding it to my older female because it just has too many calories for her ans she couldnt keep her weight down. Allmy dogs and fosters have done great, shiny coats, no ear infections less itching than other brands and relatively small stools. I will stick withit until i start to see problems. I havent seen or smelled anything bad even recently.

  • Shawna

    I don’t think I am understanding your post?

    Why would you be concerned about grain free and liver issues?

  • Jan_Mom2Cavs

    Hi….just wanted to let you know that my local Petco (I’m in Cincinnati….P&G’s Headquarters are here) does in fact carry California Natural for both dogs and cats.

  • Shawna

    Nature’s Variety was bought by an investment firm called Catterton Partners a few years ago (I think it was)..  Their products have gone down hill, in my opinion, since that buy out.. :(

  • Jan_Mom2Cavs

    Hi Jennifer!  No, I haven’t switched back to NV, even though my vet does carry, use and recommend it.  I’m not saying I won’t ever use it again, but right now I’m happy with what they are eating and as long as it is working I’m staying with it.  They are eating Fromm’s newest formulas of grain free, Salmon Tunalini and will eat the Gamebird, too.  I also use Pinnacle Salmon grain free.  For their canned toppers I’m using Weruva mostly, but will also use Simply Nourish (fazing this out, though) and Fromm (both Gold and 4Star).

  • Rocky&Paulie’s Mom

    After spending over an hour with the “dog food expert” at my local store (which carries only premium foods including NV) in addition to doing my own research, I switched to California Natural.  I hate that Natura (who makes CN) is owned by Proctor and Gamble, but they assure me it is still a quality product.  Needless to say, I will continue to watch my dogs like a hawk and monitor reviews/etc and will not hesitate to switch again if I feel any inklings that something isn’t right or has changed.  I will also drop them like a hot potato if they put this line into Petco with their Innova and Evo lines (I do not think any company can control quality when they produce such large volumes that Petco can carry them. My feeling is that when NV went into Petco, is when they went downhill). My first choice was Fromm but my local store only carries Fromm by special order, so I didn’t want to possibly get myself into a situation where I may end up without food if I don’t order on time etc. Trying to find a good food literarily made my stomach hurt as I am so skeptical of all companies now, and I prefer not to feed a grain free food, since I have small breed dogs know to develop liver issues, which limits my choices even more. 

  • Switched to Earthborn

    On my pet food dealer’s recommendation (they move a lot of food through their store and I asked what foods have they NOT seen any returns/issues with!) I switched to Earthborn Holistic Small Breed Adult and so far so good!

  • Jennifer

    What have you switched to?

  • Jennifer

    What have you switched to?

  • Jennifer

    Have you switched back to NV? If not, what have you switched to?

  • Jan_Mom2Cavs

    I used to feed Prairie, too.  I always fed the chicken and salmon, but once bought a bag of the beef and barley.  Come to think of it, I remember when I opened the bag it smelled “funny” and Lucy wouldn’t eat it or take it as a treat.  I know she’s picky, but she usually takes kibble she likes as a treat.  I just ended up tossing the food and shortly after switched to something else.  I have fed NV on and off over the years, but I don’t think I’ll feed them again.  On a side note….Nature’s Variety is the food my holistic vet carries in his office, all forms, even their raw.  He also carries Steve’s Real food raw.  He feeds the prairie and the Steve’s to his dogs.       

  • Rocky&Paulie’s Mom

    After feeding it for over four years, I am officially done with Nature’s Variety.  I just opened (and consequently returned) the SECOND plastic/chemical smelling bag of NV Beef and Barley. I gave NV a second chance and they blew it. Even the employees at the pet store were overwhelmed by the smell.  One employee commented that NV had them pull some of the larger Beef and Barley bags off the shelves – I had the smallest bag. If something was wrong with the larger bags, why would the smaller bags not be affected, is the kibble not the same? And what specifically was wrong with them? Clearly something was if they decided to pull them. But most of all – WHY WEREN’T CUSTOMERS NOTIFIED?  I receive their emails but never get anything but coupons.  I am beyond disappointed with NV. Clearly they are not the company I thought they were. For reference I am in Austin, TX and the best by date of the last stinky bag was March 31, 2013.  Also has RM3 and 11:14 listed in this area. 

  • should be recalled

    In looking around the Web I am seeing a LOT of complaints about this food, to the point where I think it should be recalled. I am not trusting NV’s obvious “form letter” e-mail where they claim the food has been tested and it’s safe to eat. (Yet they don’t ask for a sample of the food to be sent to them, which I would have gladly done!) Animals are not stupid, if a hungry dog won’t touch food, THEY know it is NOT safe to eat! Nature’s Variety has lost me as a customer.

  • SaraM

    Our dogs have been on it for years and they are both spitting out the Beef and Barley.  We noticed a foul smell from the food when they switched over to the new packagaing.  We ran into some NV reps at a pet fair and they both said neither heard of any complaints.  We are just going to eliminate kibble entirely.  We fed them a mix of NV and Sojos, now we’ll just feed them the Sojos with additional green beans and pumpkin.

  • something is not right here

    Wow i can not believe all of the issues fellow dog owners are having with the beef and barley flavor! my poor girl had been acting constipated and not touching her food. She was fine with her usual treats but her bowl of food went untouched. I debated back and forth what flavor of the food i bought her this last time (in may). I started her on the beef about 8 months ago- she LOVED it and i saw a real positive difference in her! i switched to the chicken at about month 5 and kept that going until my most recent purchase. Thinking that my girl was just “protesting” the beef once i realized how little she has been eating, it wasnt until i went to the plastic container i use to store her food in (in an attempt to offer a “fresh” scoop) that i realized how absolutely HORRIBLE her food smells! at first, thinking i might be crazy, i thought “no way thats the dog food! what is that?” Do i think, after further debate and smells, that it is the smell of yummy appetizing beef? ABSOLUTELY NOT! I am just floored by this. I really regret all of the years i wasted feeding my dogs mediocre foods not realizing the damage i was doing. I find natures variety, see great changes in my girl and then… who knows??? Who knows what this is. What the smell is caused from.
    Its not healthy and i am so disappointed in this product. Back to the drawing board…
    Wishing all the pups that turned their noses up well! =)

  • dogs would not eat it

    I too had been feeding Nature’s Variety with no problems until the most recent bag of Beef & Barley formula, bought in April 2012 with an expiration date in February 2013. It had a nasty, rancid smell and NONE of my 9 dogs would eat it. I even tried mixing it with another brand; they would pick out the Nature’s Variety, piece by piece (they are Toy size dogs and will do this with food they do not like) and spit it out on the floor. When I e-mailed the company, I got the exact same e-mail back that Heather did a few posts down…quality assurance tested it, safe to eat, etc. Forget that, it went back to the store and I exchanged it for another brand. Fortunately my dogs didn’t ingest much of it and seem fine – I only offered it for about a week – but I am not impressed by this company’s quality control (and the fact that my pet food dealer said it was not the first bag they had gotten back!)

  • Bella’s mom

    We also have been feeding Nature’s Variety – only for about a year now.  Since January, we have had 4 bags of the Beef and Barley Kibble that smell like crayons/nasty plastic.  Our golden will not touch the food when it smells like that, and I have had to keep some NV canned on hand as a just in case (We have had no problems with the canned).  Returned the first bag of kibble to Petco and they allowed us to exchange, but after dealing with this for several months, we are now looking for a new food to switch to.  Very frustrating!

  • dogsrule

    I have 4 large rescue dogs and 3 of them eat Nature’s Variety Prairie and the other one eats Nature’s Variety Limited ingredient due to allergies. Needless to say bags of dog food do not last that long in my house. The bags are also emptied into a plastic container that is cleaned out after each bag of food is finished. Once I found what appear to be rat droppings at the bottom of the plastic bin. I contacted Nature’s Variety and they told me to send them in for evaluation. I wasn’t expecting them to say that it was rat droppings but I know it was. I have also gotten bags that smell awful. I have written the company and get the same answer everyone else does.  I just got a bag yesterday and it stinks and one of my dogs won’t touch her food. That’s it. I am done with Nature’s Variety.

  • PATSNYC

    Last year we added a Yorkie-Poo to our family.  The breeder recommended NV Prarie Puppy (NVPP) and gave us a small supply to bring home. The breeder’s supply lasted about a week with no ill effects. We purchased the same NVPP, but the puppy developed diarrhea after one day.  We instantly stopped feeding NVPP food. First we needed to stop the diarrhea so we fed her rice,applesauce and chicken broth for 3 days. We gradually added in another brand of puppy food with no ill effects. 

  • Rocky&Paulie’s Mom

    My dog has been on Nature’s Variety for about four years with no issues. I had a bag of Beef and Barley that I purchased back in December that did not smell right and that the dog would not touch. I had purchased it at Petco and wasn’t sure it had been stored properly and chalked it up to that. I threw it out and went back to my local pet store for the next bag.  Although I have continued to feed it with no issue, I am VERY concerned about the quality now that they have made the move to selling at Petco.  It was against my better judgment to purchase it there to begin with, and now I am seriously doubting that they have the same quality ingredients, formula and standards that they had previously, mainly due to mass production.  My local pet store owners assure me it is still safe, but again I am skeptical. These other posts regarding smelly kibble really have me worried. Any insight into changes in formula or quality would be appreciated!

  • Tami

    HI Kim,
     Yes  the same thing is happening to me with the beef formula – I feed danes as well!
    Tami

  • Tami

    Heather, I have been feeding NV Prairie beef as well for over 8 years.  I am having the same experience with the food and have contacted the company twice now.  I have also received the same reply almost word for word.  When I told them that my dogs (6 of them) were vomiting they said they have had no other report of vomiting – I have started researching and have found lots of reports of other dogs vomiting as well.  The company is being dishonest  - I will be switching foods.  Tami

  • Heather

    Just wanted to update you all with the reply I received from Natures Variety about the foul odor in their Beef n Barley Kibble.
    “We have received some sporadic reports of our Prairie Canine Beef Kibble having an off odor. Our Quality Assurance Department has investigated our retained samples and confirmed that there is no risk to pets and the kibble is safe to feed. However, the odor isn’t up to our quality standards. With the “best if used by” date you have provided from the products in question we can now report this issue to our Quality Assurance Department for further research.”

    I won’t risk feeding that to my dogs and having them vomit all over the house. (it happened in the past).

  • Heather

    Melissa,
    Thanks for the info the NV Prairie was 39.99  30# bag, I think I was paying around 49 for the Acana when they were on that. 

  • melissa

     Heather-

    Not sure what you pay for the NV Prairie, but in our area, its in the range of the Acana GF,(wild prairie) as well as Tractor Supply carries the 30lb Blue Buffalo Adult Chicken/rice for about $48.99 for 30lbs. Look around ,there are several brands in the range of NV that might work for you : )

  • Heather

    Sandy, it was the Prairie Beef and Barley. We use the prairie canned, mixed protiens and for 1 of my dogs she’s on a strictly raw protein diet. I might go back to Acana, but the price on it is a bit out of my dog food budget.

  • melissa

    Heather-

    I had the same problem with the last Beef and Barley that I bought. I thought it had a chemical odor to it(it reminded me of paint fumes) but my hubby thought it was only the barley that was causing the odor. Dogs got the runs after 1 meal of it, and in the trash it went. Have not bought it since.

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    Was this the Prairie or Instinct or both?  I’ve used the Prairie Salmon and Chicken and the Instinct Duck & Turkey before (last year) and was thinking the Instinct would still be a good rotation product, but…
    On another note, if you feed grain and grain free, Nature’s Select has both at reasonable prices. I use this in my foster food mix, only the grain free and the hi-protein bags. The other flavors are a little too low in protein for me.  http://www.naturalpetfooddelivery.com

  • Heather

    More to my post, we’ve had various issues with NV kibble, there were worms in one bag, 2 of them had that nasty plastic smell, I think due to crappy materials used to bag the food.  I’ve bought the food from different stores so I don’t think I can blame it on the stores storage procedures. I’ve contacted NV in the past about this and I get the same “We haven’t had any problems reported with the batch, but we’ll let the plant know…” response.  So I am back to searching for a reasonably priced kibble that isn’t loaded with a bunch of garbage. If I could afford it all 4 of my dogs would be on raw, but money doesn’t seem to grow on trees as much as I water them!

  • Heather

    YES!  We just opened a bag of NV Prairie Beef and this is the second time it has smelled like the plastic bag it comes in. We will probably be returning it to the store tomorrow. Last time one of my dogs did projective vomiting after eating it.  I am very much considering changing the brand of kibble we get.  We have been happy with their other products, the canned and raw.

  • Gsetterlund

    I have a bag of NV that my dogs refused to eat. I smelled it and it has a burnt plastic smell. I won’t feed it to my dogs any more. I typically keep 4 different dog foods and rotate them so I don’t use more than three days of any brand at a time.  I have 9 very large dogs so we go through a 35 pound bag in about 3 days. Dogs are all very healthy, take well to the changes and I don’t have to worry too much that they will get too much of a bad dog food before I realize it and it has done some harm. Anyone else have the problem with the plastic smell or know what it could be?

  • Arlene

    Just bought this brand in the Lamb, my shelties are loving it but I just read the carbs are 48 percent it is a concern but the food ingriedents look great and this one is more affordable than the grainfree instinct. Any suggestions??

  • sandy

    Could try reducing the serving size as well.  I find that I always feed less than suggested on the bags.  And you might could try some (a tablespoon) or pumpkin puree or some ground psyllium sprinkled in the food or a fiber capsule if she’ll take one.

  • Toxed2loss

    Sharon,
    What was she on before? If you’ve switched foods, it may take yer gut some time to adjust. If you’ve upgraded the quality of her food, she’ll detox. Since one of the ways we do that is through the bowel, we’ll often see diarrhea during a “healing cleanse.” be sure to give her a complete probiotic and antioxidants, to help her immune system with this. I like
    Dr. Becker’s probiotic, and krill oil products on mercola .com. :-)

  • sharon

    can you help with a question. we adopted a rat terrier who seems to have a finicky stomach. have done w/i soft and prairie, along with probiotics from dr. what do you suggest if still looser poops and she eates really fast, so we try to slow that down. nothing was found in her stool samples. any suggestions?

  • Anonymous

    Also Natures Variety recently made slight changes to some of the formulas and added a couple new products recently so your dog might not be used to the new formula (if the formula you were using was modified).

  • Anonymous

    I haven’t used it (Prairie) since last year since going grain free. Since going grain free though (and adding raw), they have gotten healthier – softer coats, no body odor, no yeasty infections.

    Prairie does have 3 types of grain, so maybe one or more of those is not agreeing with your dog causing the loose poops and stinkiness. The barley and oatmeal are gluten grains also.

    Also over-feeding can cause the loose stool. I feed below the recommended amount on the bag.

    You can also give probiotics/digestive enzymes with feeds to help with digestive health. I use the mercola pet products myself.

  • Jennifer Haislip

    Hi Kim,

    Are you still feeding NV? Have you had any additional issues with it?

  • Jennifer Haislip

    Are you still feeding NV? Have you had any additional issues with it?

  • Jennifer Haislip

    Are you having (or have you had) any issues with Natures Variety? Maybe it’s not the food that is giving my dogs loose, smelly poop. A new vet that I saw this morning said that it probably isn’t the food and that I should stick with it.

  • Anonymous

    Jennifer,

    I’ve only used Orijen twice (red meat and adult) and I had mixed it in with another food I was using at the time.  It had a strong smell and one of my dogs would pick it out of his bowl and eat it last, where the other dogs didn’t mind it.  As far as botanicals go, I don’t know much about them since I’ve never researched that sort of thing.  If your dogs tolerate Orijen and do well on it, then good for them. It does have quality ingredients.  I’ve gone the potato free route now.  It did take my dog a long time to adjust to a grain free diet.  I had been using Prairie and Instinct together for a couple months.

  • melissa

    Jennifer-

    I could be wrong, but I believe the irradiation was only a problem for food sent to Australia. If you are in the US, that should not be an issue.

  • Jennifer Haislip

    I Sandy,

    Currently I am feeding them actual chicken and rice. My oldest (8 years) has been on Natures Variety Prairie all his life and my puppy is on Natures Variety Puppy. They both began to have very soft stool that had a strong chemical smell, so I stopped feeding the Natures Variety. I am begining to mix Orijen with the chicken and rice. This is really stressing me out…. I have gone back and forth so many times on what I was goning to swtich to that I bought  Orijen, started to mix it and then rememeber that Orijen was the food that had the problems (irradiation). Seems like every food out there has had some problem at some point.

    Thanks for your feedback!

  • sandy

    Jennifer,

    What are you feeding now?

  • Jennifer

    Sandy,

    Hello! Do you really think that all the “botanicals” are necessary? Do you have a recommendation on what I should try? Of course my vet says that “specialty pet foods” like NV, Orijen etc, are not good because they can put anything they want on the bag…. I really don’t agree with him because he is always pushing Science Diet on me…. I know that’s crap.

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninja Dog Food Ninja

    Only when they deserve it, Michelle. Then the Ninja stars come out! HIIIYA! ;-)

  • Michelle

    Lindsay, I would like to apologize for making you feel unwelcome or disrespected here, that was not my intention. I am very passionate about animals, and maybe have gone a little too far at times. But when I read the comment from Kim (In this thread) stating that she fed her dog from a bag that had a “strong chemical smell” and the dog threw up and refused to eat, and yet she still wanted to keep the dog on the food, I had to question where her common sense was, I mean no person would eat a food that smelled that way, so why would they feed it to their dog? To me that defies logic. And yes, her comment made me angry, because she fed her dog a food, obviously knowing that it was tainted before she put it in the bowl. I really can’t think of a “nice” way to respond to a post like that. Ninja- you have had your fair share of run-ins with people also. So don’t try to act all innocent. lol :)

  • Lindsay

    I fill in as a technician. I used to be his tech, but left and now just go as a prn tech when vacation time is needed. Sorry for the confusion.

  • melissa

    Lindsay-

    You state that you fill in for your local vet-Are you saying that you are a veterinarian? Or are you saying that you work there part time as an assistant and frequently answer diet and training questions?Stating that you fill in for the vet leads the readers to believe that you are in fact a vet-
    Thanks for clarification-

  • Lindsay

    Thanks Mike and Ninja,
    I didn’t post that comment as a personal attack on Michelle, but maybe in hopes she would more careful word her opinions. I am also quite knowledgable in field of “dog food” and would like to contribute to this site. I fill in for my local vet that I used to work full time for, and he regularly allows me to answer clients’ questions about training and nutrition as he is openly willing to admit that I know more. I have been directing friends as well as clients to this site ONLY, as a place for uninformed consumers to learn. I would be appauled if a client returned to the clinic and stated that they had posted a question and been made to feel stupid. Everyone on this site is marvelously compassionate and I really do want to recommend it to anyone wanting to learn about giving the best care they can to their pets. Thanks again.

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninja Dog Food Ninja

    Pft. I think she’s full of Beneful.

    lol, no I’m kidding, Lindsay. :-)

    Welcome to the “commenting” part of DFA. Keep reading and researching and conversing with us, and you will learn, as we all have, loads of great information! and don’t let anyone “get” to you. Some folks shoot off at the mouth without fully considering if it’s necessary, or if they are even in the right. I try to only get snooty at people who specifically post on the site to discredit the work Dr. Sagman has done or blatantly wallow in their own consumerism and call those who care about health “stupid” or “hippy”. Of which I am neither. So, ask any question you want, and answer any question you can and don’t worry about … ehhem… some people. :-)

    See you in the “recent comments” bar!

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Lindsay… I’ve read your remarks here with interest. And I’m truly sorry for how you feel your comment was treated by another poster.

    But in most cases, it can be difficult for me to take definitive action. that’s because it’s always easy to delete people’s remarks when they use inappropriate language. But it can be a real challenge to judge and ultimately make the decision to censor someone’s behavior just because of their lack of kindness when they post a response. It’s like that in almost every open forum.

    However, being frequently critical of people when they ask for assistance is unfortunate and never just obvious to you. It’s also obvious to everyone else, too. And over time, those who regularly act in an unfriendly or mean-spirited manner never truly garner the respect of the community.

    Each of us has a choice to make. We can be helpful and friendly to our guests — or we can be hurtful and critical.

    Take notice of Lindsay’s comment here, DFA posters. :)

  • Lindsay

    Mike Sagman,

    I really love this site, and how insightful and helpful the people on here have been. Everyone seems to have a wealth of information and regularly offers their knowledge to anyone who asks. I hate to complain to you, but the poster “Michelle” doesn’t seem to be the type of person who respects the kindness others offer. Last week I posted for the first time on Kirkland feed and showed her lack of knowledge by calling me a lying, dramatic troll. I let that go, but as you can see on the feed below, someone has asked people for their expertice and opinions and she has responded to this post by “yelling” at this person and basically calling her a brainless idiot. Is this the type of “help” we want to show people? I have read almost every comment on every feed, and have not seen this unkindness out of anyone. I think Michelle needs to think about how she’s coming across to the thousands of people who trust this site with the care of their pets.

    Thanks for your understanding,

  • Lindsay

    Mike Sagman,
    I really love this site, and how insightful and helpful the people on here have been. Everyone seems to have a wealth of information and regularly offers their knowledge to anyone who asks. I hate to complain to you, but the poster “Michelle” doesn’t seem to be the type of person who respects the kindness others offer. Last week I posted for the first time on Kirkland feed and she showed her lack of knowledge by calling me a lying, dramatic troll. I let that go, but as you can see on the feed below, someone has asked people for their expertice and opinions and she has responded to this post by “yelling” at this person and basically calling her a brainless idiot. Is this the type of “help” we want to show people? I have read almost every comment on every feed, and have not seen this unkindness out of anyone. I think Michelle needs to think about how she’s coming across to the thousands of people who trust this site with the care of their pets.
    Thanks for your understanding,

  • sandy

    http://www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/SafetyHealth/ReportaProblem/ucm182403.htm

    I’d report those chemical smelling bags of food and any illnesses from them. Someone on the Instinct thread also has an ill dog right now. We need to be proactive. I don’t think calling the customer service dept is enough.

  • sandy

    Jennifer,

    Be sure to switch very very slowly to Orijen. It is very dense and has several botanicals that are not in the majority of other foods. Some dogs do well and some don’t. Sometimes it’s hit or miss when finding a good food (or several foods) your dog will like AND do well on.

  • Jennifer Haislip

    Orijen!

  • Jennifer Haislip

    I’m switching to Origen!

  • Michelle

    Jennifer, yes I would be very concerned! It is not normal for a dog’s stool to have a strong chemical smell. If you are still feeding NV you should stop immediately, and switch to something made by a different manufacturer. Kim- why would you feed your dog a food that had a strong chemical smell? And then after the dog throws up, and refuses to eat the OBVIOUSLY tainted food, you say that you want to keep the dog on the food. I DON”T GET IT!!!! Would YOU eat a food that had a strong chemical smell? I sure as hell wouldn’t! You have a brain, you really should try using it.

  • Jennifer

    Kim – I feed my dog NV Prairie and recently, he has had soft stools that smell very strong…. The food doesn’t have a “chemical” smell but I would describe his stool as having a strong chemical smell. Very strange. I wonder if I should be concerned.

  • melissa

    Kim-

    Its interesting that you mention the smell of the Nature’s Variety-I am going to hazard a guess that it was the Prairie formula. I bought a bag of the Beef and Barley a few weeks ago, and I swear when I opened it, it had a very strong chemical odor-one that I could swear I smelled before. After giving it some thought, the closest I could come was wet paint.

    My husband thought the smell was the barley and did not think anything was wrong with it-We threw the bag out as I could not even stand the smell and could not get back to the petstore until the following week.

  • Rylan

    I have a boxer mix that is 9 months old and weighs about 60 lbs. I am currently feeding him 4health and i switched to that from Blue Buffalo and i have considered switching to Natures Variety Prairie. But i dont know if that would be a good choice or not. I know that both of them are 4star dog food. The only reason i thought about switching is that he still is having loose stools with the blue buffalo and the 4health. Its not all the time. I am just wondering about the pros and cons and which one people believe to be the better dog food

  • http://www.facebook.com/Toxed2loss Toxed2loss

    Jennifer,
    Dogs need a healthy proportion of bone. It contains calcium, magnesium and other nutrients that are essential for optimum health. I actually feed my standard poodle and Pom raw chicken, bones and all. I feed the necks to the Pom. Even she crunches them right up.

    Many people worry about bones splintering and so grind them. But that only happens in cooked or old dry bones. I’m guessing the ones in dog food are heat sterilized at some point in the process, which is not as good as raw. The heat destroys some nutrients, and cooks the bone. If the bones were dried out/cooked and had larger pieces, that could be a potential splintering problem. If you read it happened ‘some time ago’ I’m sure they fixed it… Check and find out. :-)

  • Jennifer

    What is ground chicken bone? Wouldn’t bone be bad for the dog? I think I read somewhere that NV has been recalled before due to bones not being ground properly.

  • Yvonne

    Uh-oh…re Kim’s post Nov 4, 2011, about the chemical smell and her Dane getting sick. I just now ordered 3 bags of Nature’s Variety Prairie, 3 different kinds, from Petflow. Kim, I kept the expiration date of your problem food, can you tell me is it’s the Prairie or the Instinct, and which kind it is, and maybe the lot number? Then I can contact Petflow before they ship and ask about specifics of what they’re shipping to me.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Sandy… Oops, sorry to you too. I think you had already replied to Barbara and our new trial software deleted that comment, too. Don’t think I’ll try that again.

  • sandy

    Barbara,

    The Canidae Single Grain Protein Plus does not have potato, only rice. No barley or oatmeal.

  • sandy

    Barbara,

    The Canidae Single Grain Protein Plus is potato free.  It uses rice only.

  • sandy

    I’ve ordered from Petflow.com and it’s free shipping over $49. You can schedule deliveries too and change the dates or products at any time.

  • Barbara

    Thanks Sandy. I have not tried Nutrisca yet as it is not sold at any of the local feed and pet stores, but it may be worth a try. Canidae is an awesome food but only 2 of thier products are potato free and neither worked for these 2 dogs. Canidae has awesome customer service though.
    I did feed Instinct LID lamb and it did the trick of clearing all issues up, but I was hoping to gradually put them back on something else. They did well on the Prairie lamb for several bags before turning their noses at this bag. the store I got it from had bags in bad condition so maybe something happen. I will try one more as I really like this company. It has been recommend I stay on a holistic food rather than grain free for my one dog. However I’m open to what works for them :) Thanks for your help.

  • sandy

    Barbara,

    The Prairie Lamb and Chicken formulas are almost identical except for the meat. They still both have barley, oatmeal and rice and fish meal.

    Have you tried the Instinct Line or is that too much protein? for them (35-42%)? How about the Instinct LID? They are only 29% protein and grain free and potato free and are limited ingredients. I would think this line would be better for the dogs since they were itchy on the Prairie.

    There’s also Canidae Single Grain Protein Plus. It only uses rice as its grain, and only has 29% protein as well.

    Another grain free potato free food with not high protein is California Natural grain free (except the chicken meal formula).

    Nutrisca Salmon and Lamb formulas only have 30%. http://nutrisca.dogswell.com/

    Great Life (www.doctorsfinest.com) also is grain free/potato free and not high protein. They have Great Life, Dr. E’s and Vet Preferred formulas. Their protein range is 27 to 30.

  • Barbara

    I have 2 German Shepherds and one can not have potatoes in her diet, the other one does not do well on the higher protein grain free diets ( too rich perhaps), so I thought I found the perfect food for them in Prairie lamb ( the chicken prairie made them both itch like crazy for some reason) I’m was concerned with the yeast in the product but so far not an issue. However the last bag I bought of lamb, the dogs are really not interested in eating it. This concerns me because they had been eager to eat before. Has anyone had any problems with this food? Would Holistic Select be a better food?

  • Kim

    I have been feeding my Great Danes Nature’s Variety Dry food for over a year now, and they love it. I just bought another 30lb. bag, and it smells awful. It has a very strong chemical smell. When my 9 year old Dane woke up this morning she vomited and it smelled just like the chemical smell of the food. Now both dogs refuse to eat. It has a use by date of June 12, 2012.
    Have you heard of any problems with this?
    I want to continue to keep them on this food, but if the next bag smells like this, I am not sure if I would like to stay with this food.
    I plan to take it back first thing in the morning.

  • Bill

    Hi Pom Mix,

    Well said, I agree 100% with the remarks you said for Richard.

  • CChandler

    I have been feeding Nature’s Variety for about 4 years now. I have a Corgi that has a poultry allergy… He has skin allergies that do very well as long as I stay on the correct food. After doing alot of research.. alot of trial and error.. this is what works best for us. I like the rotational aspect of the food. I change protien sources out with eat bag. This helps alot and never any problem with stools after doing this. I now have a Bulldog puppy and we are about to try the new puppy formula.. this should make her transition to the all stages very easy. All dogs different but seems to work with everyone I have suggested it too.

  • Pom Mix

    Hi Richard J breard,

    I know this response is quite late compared to your original posting, so I hope you’ve solved the problem…however, here are my 2 cents (i’m not a vet or a dog expert at all, but this is my experience):

    I have a small picky dog, and I was also worried about his eating habits. What I found out was that HE was training ME to put my food in his bowl! What I ended up doing was giving him a set time (10 min) to finish what was in his bowl (just dog food). If he didn’t eat, I’d take it away completely. He eats twice a day, so after not eating for about 24 hours, he got the hint pretty fast. He was ravenous the next day, and now he finishes his bowl at every meal!

  • Richard J breard

    Mike- HELP!!!!
    My Shih TZu is at it again,never really stopped. Won’t eat unless I put some of my food in hers and she will just lick that out. Have even cooked fresh chicken with brown rice but won’t eat that if I put a supplement in it. Everyone tells me tough love but I’m Mr Softy.How long can they go without eating without starving themselves. Will they do that? Help, anyone , everyone.

  • Carol

    I have two dogs, a 10 year old Aussie mix and a 1 year old Rhodesian mix. The Aussie mix has been on Nature’s Variety for a couple of years. I had her on the Instinct foods but had to switch back to Prairie because of high protein levels in her bloodwork. I switch the protein (beef, chicken, venison, etc.) every three months. I also add a raw medallion to each meal in the morning feeding. Both dogs are doing great on it. My Aussie got a great report on her last six month check-up and I’m sure the food has a lot to do with it.

  • Doug

    I think the review site here is biased towards a grain-free diet (at least with dry kibble). Had been using Taste of the Wild but it was giving our new, second mini bull terrier diarrhea because of possibly the high protein diet? Switched to Nature’s Variety Prairie formula and that has solved the problem. Nature’s Variety Prairie is 5 star food in my book.

  • Anna

    Hi Lhasa Apso and Poodle mix Owner.
    I have been feeding my dogs all natural dog food since I have had my Lhasa Apso because of the discoloration of her face of the other dog foods. I have tried many brands of dry dog food and then I was given a sample package of Prarie Dog Food from WagginTails were I buy my dog food. Both my Lhasa Apso Coco and my Poodle mix Bear love the dog food. She would never eat the dry up and at times I would have to throw it out. But now she eats it all up 98% of the time. I ordered the Beef and Barley this time along with the wet dog food.
    Thank you!! It’s great to see that I finally found a dog food they like.

  • gail

    I feed my 11 year old yellow lab Canine Caviar Special Needs as it’s the only thing that he can tolerate without diarrhea. But it’s pricey – and only 1 place around me carries it without special order. My local pet store recommended Nature’s Prairie – so we shall see. I was glad to find good reviews -

  • sandy

    Hi Mastiff Owner,

    I have pugs – also known as lap dogs. They are currently eating Nature’s Variety Prairie Salmon AND Instinct Duck & Turkey together for added protein. They love it. And they are not overweight. I feed them less than the bag says since they still get a few treats as well and exercise when the weather allows.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Kat… I’ve added this food to my To Do list. Thanks for the suggestion.

  • kat vogel

    any one find a rating for the frozen foods called K-9 Kravings? thanks ahead of time! love this site!

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Mastiff Owner… Since each dog responds to a particular food in its own unique way, it would be impossible for me to compare two or more dog foods and predict which one would be the right choice for your dog. Wish I could be more help.

  • Mastiff Owner

    I’m debating on Prairie Venison or Instinct Rabbit. My 170 lb. Old English Mastiff (2 yrs old) has allergy issues and is affected by loose stools. We do supplement with fresh sweet potatoes or pumpkin which helps. Switching from Wellness Whitefish right now due to stomach issues. Tried it because it didn’t have any of her allergens (Chicken, Turkey, Oats, Potatoes, Rice, Carrots, to name a few). So now debating on these 2 NV products. Both have some degree of her allergens; however, we are hoping that they won’t have enough to be bothersome. The only other product I found that didn’t have any of her allergens was Canine Cavier Venison and it’s too expensive for us.

    Currently boiling ground beef and mixing in sweet potatoes or pumpkin and peas. Stools are great now. Still no itching. She does chew on her front nails but not skin as she was on the back feet. She’s loving it but I’m looking for a good quality dry kibble to switch her too.

    Any recommendation on the Prairie vs. Instinct? Keep in mind that are dog is not very active as Mastiffs are not known for their high energy:) Thanks in advance.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Ruth… Dogs are a lot like us humans. They can eventually tire of the same menu when fed each meal, day after day. You may wish to consider rotating the food. We feed Bailey by changing the kibble with each bag. And since we also feed a canned product mixed with the kibble each meal, we also rotate those foods, too. Good luck with your new food.

  • Ruth

    Hi Mike! I’ve been giving my puppy Earthborn Holistic for Puppies as it was supposed to be good for her as well as for the flakiness she was having. She was good with it for about 1 month, then decided she didn’t like it anymore. I added a natural wet food to it. She started liking it again, but I found many loose stools. While at the feed store, I met the Nature’s Variety representative. She suggested the Prairie dry food and gave me a sample pack pf the New Zealand Venison Meal & Millet Medley. I was leery, so came up and looked it up here. Great to see your reviews & the fact this new line has NO ‘red’ ingredients. AND my puppy loved it, but it wasn’t available in the petstore yet. So I bought a bag of the Beef & Barley. She loves it…even took it dry. Its still too soon to tell, but I’m hoping it helps with her stomach & dry skin issues. Will keep you posted! Thanks for your informative reviews. I review them religously before making any purchases.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Fran… In the spirit of rotational feeding (as favorable a strategy for dogs as it is for us humans), why not feed both. Just alternate between “flavors” when each package runs out. Hope this helps.

  • Fran

    My cockapoo who is 7 years old and weighs 18 pds has been eating Innova adult dog food small bites for four years and I was recently told that Proctor and Gamble bought Natura which makes Innova. A lot of dog stores are informing their customers of this change. Proctor and Gamble makes Iams’ and Eukenuba. I have been advised to try Prairie by Nature Variety which comes highly recommended to me. My dog likes both lamb meal and chicken meal by Prairie. She has always had chicken in her diet and I am not sure if I should switch to lamb. I would appreciate anyone’s opinion.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Hal… Nature’s Variety does not use fish meals made with ethoxyquin in any of its products. Although many claim sea salt has certain benefits over regular table salt, I’m not sure there’s enough in any dog food to make a clinical difference to your pet.

    Your dog’s activity level has less to do with protein content than it does with calories. To prevent your dogs from losing or gaining weight, you’ll have to adjust their serving sizes (based upon caloric information printed on each package). Since how much energy your dogs actually utilize in a given day is impossible for anyone to measure (including your vet), you’ll have to use your own judgment.

    Since every dog food varies in its design and responds to a particular food (or ingredient) in its own unique way, it would be impossible for me to compare two or more dog foods and know which one would be the better choice for your dog.

    Since Horizon Complete and Prairie have both been awarded favorable ratings, I don’t see how you could go wrong with either one. Unfortunately, selecting the right dog food still involves at least some trial and error. Hope this helps.

  • Hal

    Hi Mike, so we are thinking about switching from California Natural to Nature’s Variety Prairie instead of EVO. Could you tell us if we need to worry about exthoxyquin in this product? Is it exthoxyquin-free? Also, our dogs are herding dogs and active, but their life styles are not anything like farm dogs’ (i.e. always running around). We live in a city and their main activity is frisbee catching for 30 min. a day. Prairie is lower than Nature’s Variety Instinct in Protein, but shouldn’t be a problem, if dogs are not constantly running around? Also, which one do you think is better, Horizon Complete or Nature’s Variety Prairie? I noticed Complete has Salt, while Prairie uses Sea Salt. Is there something else we need to consider? Please let us know. Thank you.

  • http://www.sovereignakitas.com Carol Friedman

    I am an Akita breeder and use Nature’s Variety Prairie. Akitas can be very picky with very sensative digestive systems. My dogs are thriving on this food! Love it! Over the years I have tried MANY other dog foods and found very loose stools, itchy sking and other issues. Since switching to Nature’s Variety Prairie I haven’t had these issues and my dogs have beautiful coats and love the taste!
    I recommend it VERY HIGHLY!

  • Diane Erwin

    I’ve been using Mature’s Variety Prairie and Raw for about a year now. I feed raw for approx 1/3 to 1/2 of their meals. I do not mix the raw with the kibble. It is fed as a separate meal. This combination works well for me dogs. I noticed improved coat quality, more energy and firmer stools. The improvement is especially noticeable in my setter who had slightly itchy skin and occasional bad breath and stomach activity before.

    I use to feed Eagle Pack Holistic before and was pretty happy with that but Prairie has been giving us better results. I’ve tried “instinct” and I believe is a bit too high in protein for, especially, my setter. She does better with some grain in her kibble.

  • Jan McCollam

    Hi! I use Nature’s Variety for my dogs..the Prairie/Instinct line and also the raw. However, I would like to see a review for Merrick (all lines, including their new Whole Earth Farms) and Eagle Pack Holistic Select. Thanks for all this work you are doing. It is greatly appreciated!