Nature’s Logic (Dry)

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Rating: ★★★★★

Nature’s Logic Dog Food gets the Advisor’s top rating of 5 stars.

The Nature’s Logic product line includes five dry dog foods, each claimed to meet AAFCO nutrient profiles for all life stages.

The following is a list of recipes available at the time of this review.

  • Nature’s Logic Canine Beef Meal Dinner
  • Nature’s Logic Canine Lamb Meal Dinner
  • Nature’s Logic Canine Chicken Meal Dinner
  • Nature’s Logic Canine Venison Meal Dinner
  • Nature’s Logic Canine Duck Meal and Salmon Meal Dinner

Nature’s Logic Canine Chicken Meal Dinner was selected to represent the other products in the line for this review.

Nature's Logic Canine Chicken Meal Dinner

Dry Dog Food

Estimated Dry Matter Nutrient Content

Protein = 38% | Fat = 18% | Carbs = 36%

Ingredients: Chicken meal, millet, chicken fat, pumpkin seed, yeast culture, spray dried chicken liver, dried egg product, suncured alfalfa meal, montmorillonite clay, dried kelp, cheese powder, spray dried porcine plasma, dried tomato, almonds, dried chicory root, dried carrot, dried apple, white fish meal, egg shell meal, dried pumpkin, dried apricot, dried blueberry, dried spinach, dried broccoli, dried cranberry, parsley, dried artichoke, rosemary, mixed tocopherols, dried Lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation product, dried Lactobacillus casei fermentation product, dried Bifidobacterium bifidium fermentation product, dried Enterococcus faecium fermentation product, dried Bacillus coagulans fermentation product, dried pineapple extract, dried Aspergillus niger fermentation extract, dried Aspergillus oryzae fermentation extract, dried Trichoderma longibrachtium fermentation extract

Fiber (estimated dry matter content) = 4%

Red items when present indicate controversial ingredients

Estimated Nutrient Content
MethodProteinFatCarbs
Guaranteed Analysis38%18%NA
Dry Matter Basis38%18%36%
Calorie Weighted Basis33%37%30%

The first ingredient in this dog food is chicken meal. Chicken meal is considered a meat concentrate and contains nearly 300% more protein than fresh chicken.

The second ingredient is millet, a gluten-free grain harvested from certain seed grasses. Millet is hypoallergenic and naturally rich in B-vitamins and fiber as well as other essential minerals.

The third ingredient is chicken fat. Chicken fat is obtained from rendering chicken, a process similar to making soup in which the fat itself is skimmed from the surface of the liquid.

Chicken fat is high in linoleic acid, an omega-6 fatty acid essential for life. Although it doesn’t sound very appetizing, chicken fat is actually a quality ingredient.

The fourth ingredient is pumpkin seeds. Pumpkin seeds are rich in fiber, vitamins, minerals and, more importantly, linoleic acid, an essential omega-6 fat.

The fifth ingredient is yeast culture. Although yeast culture is high in B-vitamins and protein, it can also be used as a probiotic to aid in digestion.

The sixth ingredient is spray dried chicken liver, a dehydrated product made from whole chicken livers. Because it contains about 62% protein and 20% fat, this item makes a favorable addition to this dog food.

The seventh ingredient is dried egg product, a dehydrated form of shell-free eggs. Quality can vary significantly. Lower grade egg product can even come from commercial hatcheries — from eggs that have failed to hatch.

In any case, eggs are easy to digest and have an exceptionally high biological value.

The eighth ingredient is alfalfa meal. Although alfalfa meal is high in plant protein (about 18%) and fiber (25%), this hay-family item is more commonly associated with horse feeds.

The ninth ingredient is montmorillonite clay, a naturally occurring compound rich in many trace minerals. Montmorillonite has been approved for use in USDA Organic Certified products.

Reported benefits include the binding of certain mold-based toxins and even controlling diarrhea and irritable bowel syndrome (IBS).

From here, the list goes on to include a number of other items.

But to be realistic, ingredients located this far down the list (other than nutritional supplements) are not likely to affect the overall rating of this product.

With four notable exceptions

First, we find dried pork plasma. Plasma is what remains of blood after the blood cells themselves have been removed. Plasma can be considered a nutritious addition.

Next, chicory root is rich in inulin, a starch-like compound made up of repeating units of carbohydrates and found in certain roots and tubers.

Not only is inulin a natural source of soluble dietary fiber, it’s also a prebiotic used to promote the growth of healthy bacteria in a dog’s digestive tract.

Next, we note the inclusion of dried fermentation products in this recipe. Fermentation products are typically added to provide enzymes to aid the animal with digestion.

And lastly, although we find no mention of added vitamins or minerals on the ingredients list, we’re reassured to find a detailed list of naturally present nutrients on the company’s website.

Nature’s Logic Dog Food
The Bottom Line

Judging by its ingredients alone, Nature’s Logic Dog Food looks like an above-average kibble.

But ingredient quality by itself cannot tell the whole story. We still need to estimate the product’s meat content before determining a final rating.

The dashboard displays a dry matter protein reading of 38%, a fat level of 18% and estimated carbohydrates of about 36%.

As a group, the brand features an average protein content of 36% and a mean fat level of 18%. Together, these figures suggest a carbohydrate content of 38% for the overall product line.

And a fat-to-protein ratio of about 50%.

Above-average protein. Near-average fat. And below-average carbs when compared to a typical dry dog food.

Even when you consider the slight protein-boosting effect of the alfalfa meal, this looks like the profile of a kibble containing a significant amount of meat.

Bottom line?

Nature’s Logic is a plant-based kibble using a significant amount of various named meat meals as its main sources of animal protein, thus earning the brand 5 stars.

Enthusiastically recommended.

Special Alert

Rice ingredients can sometimes contain arsenic. Until the US FDA establishes safe upper levels for arsenic content, pet owners may wish to limit the total amount of rice fed in a dog's daily diet.

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Notes and Updates

06/19/2010 Original review
01/19/2011 Review updated
11/23/2011 Review updated
10/03/2012 Last Update

  • leowong

    Thanks so much. I’m using both, the canned so as to provide a variety of protein sources.

  • http://www.facebook.com/paula.emmsrhodes Paula Emms Rhodes

    Yes, we are still using NL. I am using only dry food and their North Atlantic Sardine oil mixed in. This round we are using the lamb & Buddy is still doing great! My Vet has been trying to figure out why he was losing so much muscle in his hindquarters & since switching to NL, I swear he is building his muscle back up and the calories are perfect. He is maintaining the weight my Vet feels is healthy for him.

  • Dave’s Hounds

    Thanks Betsy – I actually called them to make sure before I purchased it. The dogs really like it so i will stick with it for a while. I also bought Sardine and Duck and Salmon so i will rotate through those for the next month or so.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    Hey Dave,

    I know Nature’s Logic has a commitment to having no ingredients sourced from China and I got to wondering about the source of the rabbit in their products… so I was just looking on their website and saw that the source of the rabbit in all of their diets (raw, canned and kibbled) is Italy. I suspect that you already knew that, but I just thought I’d share.

    Scroll almost all the way down to the bottom of the page: http://www.natureslogic.com/ingredients/

  • Dave’s Hounds

    I picked up a dozen cans as well

  • Dave’s Hounds

    Betsy I have tried the Sardine and regularly rotate both the canned and the kibble. I like this food as much as NV Instinct and don’t mind the millet.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    If you haven’t already, try the sardine also Dave. It’s not as easy to find as the other varieties. I’ve used the canned and kindled and my dogs liked both. Fortunately, a health food store near me carries Nature’s Logic and although they don’t stock the sardine, they were happy to order it for me. The rabbit isn’t commonly stocked either, but I plan to pick some up when my supply dwindles a bit.

  • Dave’s Hounds

    Nature Logic has added a rabbit formula – both dry and canned – I picked both up today to add to my rotation

  • leowong

    Still on NL? On a different protein? All dry, or canned as well?

  • http://www.facebook.com/paula.emmsrhodes Paula Emms Rhodes

    My 11 year old lab has had terrible allergy issues, over abundance of yeast, causing ear infections & hot spots all over his body for years. He itches, scratches, & licks constantly. I feel so bad for him & constantly take him to the vet & try different foods. My vet has him on 3 Benadryl, 3x a day. I went to my local pet store here in Kailua, Hawaii (Marina Pet Supply) & the owner recommended Logic.

    Long story short; Buddy is doing amazing after just 2 days! No more itching, scratching, runny nose, & 0 Benadryl! The yeast smell in his ears is almost gone too! I bought the venison & plan on buying a different protein for each new bag (except chicken). It is costly but he is worth every penny & to see him prancing around happy makes this mama so happy :-)

  • Hoku

    Just bought my first bag of Nature’s Logic. Your photos are super-clear. Thanks for uploading. BTW…What camera do you use?

  • Hound Dog Mom

    I my experience their customer service has been great. When I contacted them about samples they emailed me back the same day and I received the samples in the mail 3 days later.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    I wondered the same thing (in re: alfalfa meal). I’ve used Nature’s Variety Instinct and have noticed the same type of thing in their kibble, which also includes sun-cured alfalfa meal.

    I know Susan Thixton loves Nature’s Logic and she’s said that they have great customer service. I hope it’s just a fluke that he hasn’t gotten back to you.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Research it and learn how to do it right and I promise you making homemade food for your dogs will be the healthiest choice you can make for them. All three of my dogs eat homemade raw, I’ve noticed such a change over feeding kibble (and I used top quality kibble when I fed it – Orijen, Nature’s Variety, etc.). :)

  • Danielle

    Hi Hound Dog Mom!
    I was hoping that it would be something like that. Just wish Scott would get back to me. I figured after emailing him and sending him the pictures he would look into it. It is so hard nowadays to choose a top quality dog food and not have to worry about something. I love my dogs so much and want them to live a very long and healthy life but then I find something like this and I get nervous. If it is just alfalfa meal I will be extremely happy. Now I’m also looking into how to cook for my dogs. Never did before but thinking it will be a good idea to start.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Hi Danielle –

    I had some sample packets of the NL dog kibble that I had been waiting to use. After reading your post I opened them to check it out. I saw something similar in one of the beef kibbles. I think it may just be the alfalfa meal.

  • Danielle

    Still have not heard back from Scott at Nature’s Logic since I emailed him the pictures 5 days ago of the hairs/fibers in the dry kibble. Going to send him another email.

  • http://www.facebook.com/danielle.shekailo Danielle Shekailo

    Hi Betsy we just made the switch to Nature’s Logic in December. I did a search online and it seems that other petsumers have found them too. There’s even a couple on this thread that have encountered this. I tried posting the pics here earlier but for some reason I couldn’t drag & drop or upload them. I’m going to try again. Hopefully this time it works. I have not heard back from Scott yet but I did just send him the pics after 6pm so it could have been after work hours. I’ll keep you posted.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    I’ve been feeding Nature’s Logic to my cats now for over 6 months. No complaints.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    Hi Danielle,

    This is the first I’ve heard of this. I’m using Nature’s Logic and feel good about the quality of the product. Have you been using it for a while? Is it something that’s really different compared to previous bags you’ve bought? I’m curious to see your pictures, too.

  • Danielle

    Just wanted to update in regards to the fibers/hairs in the food… well they are still there. Have a bag of Nature’s Logic Chicken Meal Dinner Fare and the fibers/hairs are in each individual kibble piece. I wrote to Scott and in return he asked if I can send him some pics, which I did. Now just waiting to hear back. Keep you all posted!

  • Hound Dog Mom

    It does destroy some, depending on the supplement. Most of the time when companies advertise glucosamine or chondroitin in their foods it’s just naturally occurring from the meat meal – I haven’t seen too many companies that actually add it in.

  • InkedMarie

    I thought I read that when the food is cooked/baked whatever is done, that it destroys any supplements put in it.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    If your dog needs joint support supplement with a high quality joint supplement and/or feed natural chews with cartilage that are high in glucosamine and chondroitin (trachea, gullet, turkey necks, etc.). I haven’t seen any quality food that has enough glucosamine or chondroitin to have any theraputic effects – foods advertising the inclusion of glucosamine and chondroitin are more marketing gimmicks than anything.

  • trixwin

    Question…can anyone recommend a 5 star that contains glucosomine for joints????

  • tracy

    I also like this food.My girls (pugs) have been through 3 small bags and are doing great.Better than on the Natures variety kibble.Im feeding the Lamb formula.One of my girls has suffered from bad allergies and red skin bumps with yeast and bacterial infections for 2 years and almost a year of Raw only did not clear her up,among many meds and natural remedies also.Obviously she was not getting what she needed from the Raw,I was feeding prey and barf.But with this dry she is doing much better now.Just goes to show Raw isnt always what works for every dog even though its great and they all love it..I still top there food with Raw.

  • Nancy J

    I have been feeding for about 8 months and declined to comment until my senior had his annual blood panel about 6 months into it. Perfecto! And he had always had some values “off” before. (eg Evo values forced me to drop protein, NB and TOTW the Triglycerides and cholesterol a bit high etc.

    There are things I find irriating. I would prefer to see each lot have a USDA label reflecting a 3rd party analysis and the numbers on the web page only reflect testing of two of the product lines.

    That said, I wet the food, the dogs love it and are doing well on it. I had tried origen but was getting vomiting and diarreah. Plus that food never would dissolve in water and this stuff just falls apart and I do think that should be some indication of digestability.

  • http://www.facebook.com/SsscooterBabe Kay Scooterbabe Kukulski

     Hi Shawna, can you please provide me with more info about Uva Ursi.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Good to hear! My cats eat NL and do very well on it, I also used to frequently feed their canned to my dog and I sometimes use their whole food supplement. I like their stuff.

  • Storm’s Mom

    Just a very belated update on this, I heard from Fromm not long after I sent them the below mentioned email (nothing from Merrick), and they said it’s beef not fit for human consumption that is not allowed into Canada, because of BSE concerns. They use beef that IS fit for human consumption, and even then they have to apply for a permit to ship their product into Canada, which involves some other hoops that I guess some companies are not willing to go through (NL being one of them) but Fromm is. Anyway, Storm is still on NL lamb (near the end of a big bag), and I am really impressed with how well he’s doing on it!!! ..and he seems to love it …so may continue on with it or continue on with the rotation, haven’t decided yet.

  • Storm’s Mom

    Ah, I was just re-reading the reply from Scott at NL, and it might just be “beef liver” that’s a problem, and they just decided to change the other beef ingredients as well? Here’s what he said:

    “We changed the formula in the USA to use beef fat and beef liver but cannot ship products with beef liver into Canada and never have.”

    Merrick, Fromm, etc just have “beef” in their formulae, so maybe that’s why they can bring it in?

    …although NV Instinct Beef Meal & Lamb Meal – available here – has “beef liver” as well…. hmmm… I’ll have to check a bag of that one to see if it’s got a different label/formula, then.

  • Storm’s Mom

    Oh that’s right, I have seen the NV Instinct Beef here as well!! This is really confusing!! How can these companies have beef products here but not NL? Hopefully the responses from Fromm and/or Merrick will shed some more light on this.

  • Dave’s Hounds

    When I lived in Toronto I couldn’t get NL and use to buy it in Buffalo (along with many other things). I do remember the NV Instinct Beef was available in Canada and it was def made in the US.

  • Storm’s Mom

    Could be.. just makes me wonder how/why other brands are able to have beef in their formulae… unless a) they actually don’t and just haven’t provided different labels? or b) Merrick, Innova, Fromm, etc are actually made at a Canadian plant for the Canadian market? I didn’t think any of them were, but perhaps they have a special arrangement?… don’t know. I’ve seen the backs of the “beef” varieties of Merrick, Innova, and Fromm, and don’t ever recall seeing a paper label..but it’s possible they have it and I missed it *shrug*

  • LabsRawesome

    Hi Storm’s Mom, Maybe no beef because of BSE? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bovine_spongiform_encephalopathy

  • Storm’s Mom

    A tip to any Canadians using this food – Nature’s Logic makes “Canadian versions” of both its Lamb and Venison formulae, replacing all their beef ingredients with chicken. So, wherever you see beef ingredients (beef, beef meal, beef fat, beef liver) on DFA, Nature’s Logic website, etc it has actually been replaced with chicken ingredients (chicken meal, chicken fat, chicken liver) for sale in Canada. The Beef Meal formula is not available at all here. According to an email from the company, they aren’t allowed to export beef products into Canada, for some reason. All bags are supposed to have paper labels on them with the Canadian formula, over top of the US ingredient panel on the bag, but I’ve only seen the paper labels on the big bags, not the 4lb bags. Anyway, this might impact any dogs with chicken allergies – my guy seems to be ok with chicken fat and chicken liver, thankfully, so he can have the Lamb formula, but the Venison formula includes Chicken Meal, which he reacts to.Just thought I’d mention it here incase there are other Canadians with a chicken-allergic dog looking at feeding this food.

  • ohnoesaz

    Well I guess updates are deserved.. My dogs still like this food, though they only eat it about once every two days. They’re just as excited when they smell it as they are for pricier foods like Acana or Orijen. I’m now mixing all kibbles with THK dehydrated or Grandma Lucy’s freeze dried.

    So not much to report except that I would recommend this food.

  • KAT

    My understanding from reading pet business trade mags is that vitamins/minerals are NOT added after cooking…but before…and that yes, the cooking process destroys some of them and it’s not an exact science in terms of predicting how much is lost during cooking. They try to put in amounts prior to cooking such that there will be enough left over in the end. And of course it has been noted by some that their dog’s pigment, overall health, etc improve when fresh, uncooked nutrients are added back into their diets, so I think even the best kibbles can be unintentionally deficient simply due to being processed and cooked.

    I assume NL does the same thing–attempts to compensate for the cooking process when deciding how much of the food concentrates to put in. I want to say that they have also conducted AAFCO feeding trials and can provide bloodwork on dogs fed only NL. Think I read that on their website?

    If one was particularly concerned about enough nutrition while avoiding synthetic vitamins/minerals, you could always  add their food supplement (which appears to be the same collection of superfood powders that they put in the kibble). I’m sure NL would also argue that an all-kibble/cooked diet is not ideal and the addition of raw food helps bridge that nutritional gap caused by cooking. 

    I haven’t fed NL exclusively but have not noticed any signs of problems with feeding it for months at a time. My dogs always look supremely healthy on it, but I never fed ONLY kibble, I always add omega oils and concentrated food supplements like NL’s or Nupro or Spunk Level II, etc. because I’m suspicious that ALL kibbles are going to be slightly deficient because of the cooking process.

  • ohnoesaz

    I’m curious about this being all natural with no synthetic vitamins or minerals. Aren’t these important items destroyed during cooking and that is why dog food manufacturer’s add them back in after cooking?

    If someone were to feed only one dog food brand at a time, should they be concerned about this?

  • Daves

    Nature’s Logic is made at the Victor Plant – Mid-America – uses pretty much the same ingredients at 1/3rd the cost.

  • Melissaandcrew

     I am laughing again at your “clown”comment. When our white boy Joey gets the runny/tear stained eyes, I tell him he has “sad clown eyes” Glad to see someone else thinks they look like sad clowns!

  • ohnoesaz

    Well good news, my dog that looks like a depressed crying clown whenever he eats peas looked perfect after eating the Nature’s Logic. I’ll probably replace earthborn holistic (heavy on peas) or EVO (too little food due to calories) with the Nature’s Logic.

    I’m not sold on grain free vs quality grains, so it will be nice to have a millet binder food in the mix.

  • ohnoesaz

    Haha so yeah, I shouldn’t imply your dog’s clayish stools are from the clay in this food. They would have to drastically mess up the ingredients in your batch. I just saw a perfect moment to share my… friend’s story.

  • Melissaandcrew

     ROFLMAO!! Sorry, that literally made me laugh!

    Interesting thing is that I have fed two other foods with the clay, and not had these issues-NV and Native.

  • ohnoesaz

    Hmmm, that’s interesting about the clay-like stools.. The ingredients do contain montmorillonite clay. It’s lower on the list though, so I don’t think it would affect stools.

    Without giving too much gross information, I uhm uhm *knew someone* who routinely ingested bentonite clay for detox purposes. This person’s stools were also very clay like, so they stopped using it.

  • Melissaandcrew

     Let us know! I went through 3 bags of the chicken and then stopped. Many of the dogs had this odd, nasty smelling, pasty stool that did not resolve. Not diarrhea, just a pasty consistency(like clay or something) They also had a much larger amount of stool

  • ohnoesaz

    I received samples in the mail today. I’m excited to try it for two reasons.

    First, one of my five dogs gets severely runny eyes after eating a pea heavy meal (earthborn holistic, Horizon Pulsar for example). He does fine on Acana regionals (more potatoes than peas and only one pea ingredient). I’m hoping he reacts great to zero peas in Nature’s Logic.

    Second, my dogs act like I’m torturing them when its time for an EVO meal because they get such little food due to calorie content. In fact, I have to schedule their EVO meals for dinners only so they’re just sleeping most of the time instead of acting like they’re starving. NL’s website says only 345 calories a cup (for beef) so it seems like my dogs should be able to stuff their faces like they love to.

    I’ll update soon

  • Melissaandcrew

    Interesting-

    Any way, I did get my samples in the mail today-I did not specify which ones, and they provided me with lamb, duck/salmon, beef, and venison. The dogs of course saw them in my hand and were very eager to try some-big hit : )

    Its too early to say how the crew will do on it, but so far, I have to say the chicken mixed at 1/3 with their current Instinct and Prairie is a huge hit-at 1/3 of the meal, three meals in, and no upset stomachs what so ever. No vomiting,- no diarrhea

    The biggest impression so far has been my VERY  sensitive doberman. I gave her 1 cup of her Instinct with 1/2 cup of the chicken, and so far NO issues(usually by the time she has 1/2 cup of something new, she is running with full blown diarrhea I will let all know how the crew does after a few weeks. Hoping this is another great option for them.

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    The block at the top is “guaranteed analysis” provided from the company whether it is wet or dry matter.  The second block is specifically dry matter.  Hill’s Science Diet lists their GA in dry matter also. The GA does not necessarily have to match the bag.

    http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-reviews/hills-science-diet-dog-food-adult-dry/

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    I see what you are saying (I think).  Natures Logic website gives their guaranteed analysis already in dry matter. The info on the company’s website is used to do these reviews, not what is on an actual bag.  I don’t know what is written on the actual bag.  If your bag shows a moisture content then it is not converted to dry matter as their website is. What is shown on the website can differ from what is printed on a bag. 

  • Melissaandcrew

     sandy-

    That does not make sense. One of the blocks at the top is “guaranteed analysis”. Would that not be the guaranteed analysis as provided by the company? The one that is also printed on the bag? The second block is dry matter basis, and of course that would differ from the guaranteed analysis. On the website, they provide the independent analysis that they had done, in dry matter basis. I would think the guaranteed analysis would match the bag, and the DM would match what they have on their website(this one does)

    Oh, and this am when I went to the website the kcals per cup were listed as 551 per cup for just about all the “flavors” This was prior to 11.3o am. At some point after I posed the ? here, it was changed to reflect the bag statement.. That tells me NL monitors this website : )

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    If they bag info is not in dry matter, it won’t match what is in the yellow box.

  • Dave

    No I think what happened was that was the review was done the company reported Gross Calories not ME Calories. Despite being required to report only ME Calories some companies have been slow to use this method. There should not be such a difference between a dry matter cup and as fed cup. The way it should be reported is As Fed on an ME basis. The only other thing that could impact the calories per cup is the kibble size and density. Smaller denser kibbles will have more calories per cup but not more calories per unit of weight.

  • Melissaandcrew

    Okay-this is still bothering me, LOl so I went back and looked again, and think I know why I am confused : )

    Mike’s guaranteed analysis as reported above 38%, 18% fat does not match the bags of food I just bought. They say 36%, 15% and then 403 calories. The only thing I find on the website for the chicken formula is the “independent analysis that was done” and that matches what MIke has, states the calories per cup as 551-at the top of the “report” it does state Dry matter basis-not guaranteed analysis, so the review here is slightly inaccurate.

  • Melissaandcrew

    Unfortuently, Victor is not available in NY as of yet, though when it is, I plan on trying it. I think NL looks like a decent food, and while it may be marketing gimminck, I like the idea of no added vitamins. Either way, since we rotate, it will not be a long term food.

  • Dave

    The 551 is probably the calories on a “gross basis” whereas the 404 is “ME basis. The website shows 403. 
     
    The guys that owns this company was involved in Nature’s Variety, another food with very high levels of ash. I suppose buying high quality low ash protein is not part of the business plan.

    It is made in the Victor plant with but Victor is less than half the cost and has lower ash.

    The whole “no added vitamins” marketing is just a gimmick.

  • Melissaandcrew

    One other thing-not sure if anyone knows the answer-

    The bag of chicken says calculated Kcals per cup of ME is 404 or something like that. On the website, the actual analysis that was done states 551 calories per cup. What would you folks consider to be the actual kcals per cup? Big difference in those amounts..

  • Melissaandcrew

    Monkey-

    I emailed and asked for samples and the owner Scott got back to me asap and he was mailing them out yesterday. In the meantime, it was time to get more dog food, so I picked up two bags of the chicken to try.(store only had the chicken available)

    A few things-First, its one of the smallest kibbles I have ever seen-even smaller than the NV Instinct, lol My first impression of the food was ‘ok” It does not have that rich dark look of the Acana or the “meaty smell” It does not smell bad, just seems to lack a smell. I mixed some in my bin to see how the dogs do(slowly since they recently had fat content issues) and scooped it into the bowls. I added  a small amount of warm water like I always do, and suddenly the bowls sounded like Rice Krispies-snap, crackle pop.I never noticed this before, and tomorrow I will have to wet just the NL to see if that is the cause of the sound : )Anyway, the dogs give it two paws up, but three of them seemed to gag a bit and act like the little kibbles were stuck in their teeth or between the teeth and outer lip. My finicky eater )Italian greyhound) finished his food in record time tonight.

  • monkey

    The CEO writes back really fast usually but i do think he isn’t really a people person. Sometimes he gets really irritated if you ask him how much ash is in the formulas. It’s kind of funny actually

  • Melissaandcrew

    Ack.,.just read back and saw that there were concerns over customer service..I guess as long as I can buy locally I would try it(avoiding the customer service issues hopefully)

  • Melissaandcrew

    Monkey-

    Please let us kow how it works for you. Our local boutique store just started carrying some of it(so far I saw the chicken and lamb. Definetly something I would consider to replace out the NV prairie next month. 

  • monkey

    Wow, after soaking this food in water for only a few minutes it starts falling apart. I think that’s pretty impressive. Must digest good?

  • monkey

    Cool, thanks! I got some chicken and beef samples.

  • Pugsonraw

    It’s going well…. the pugs are doing great on it.  I’ve tried both the lamb and the beef with them. 

  • Kim L.

    I am having great results with this food.  Here is story about the little rescue I am currently feeding this food to — and he is doing great.  I am on my second large bag. 
    http://www.truthaboutpetfood.com/articles/real-life-story-of-supplement-free-pet-food.html

  • monkey

    How is the natures logic going, pugsonraw?

  • 2manypets

    Love this food.  My Border Collie (14) had mystery edema in his legs, face and belly.  Tested for everything, everything came back negative, I switched him to NL beef and withing 3 weeks the swelling was gone.  I don’t know what the problem was but we are sticking with NL!

  • Dave’s Hounds

    Slwdve – NL worked really well for my dogs as well – I still use the canned often. The only kibbles that have worked well for my dogs are NL, Epigen 90 and Brothers – although there are a few I have not tried. I also have to add pumpkin – digestive enzymes and probiotics to every meal.

  • Slwdve

    when Bear would experience the episodes of diarrhea they would last about two days and wouldn’t stop until I gave him medicine from his vet.  

  • Slwdve

    I adopted my dog Bear (shar pei/german shepard) when he was three years old. For the first year he had diarrhea twice a month.  I tried all different kinds of food… organic, grain free, different types of protein.  Nothing worked for him and I felt horrible w/ my inability to help him.  After about a year I was talking to one of the ladies that worked at my local pet supplies plus.  She told me that when she first got her german shepard he had the same issues.  The only thing that worked for her dog was NL.  So I thought I would give it a try.  It was the best decision ever!  Bear has had firm stools for over two years.  I usually have him on either the Lamb or Venison.  For the first year he was on Lamb dry food only until I could trust that he was really ok.  No more waking up to take him out every hour.  Thank goodness for NL.  

  • magnusandlola

    owner of 2 AKC English Bulldogs owner here who I produced two great litters i’ve tried them all and you can have the best Dog food on the planet if the dog doesn’t like it; its worthless.  Before this I had them on Solid Gold’s Barking at the Moon and before that Taste of the Wild High Prairie Canine both grain free.  Well let me tell you, I have them on the dry Chicken and their coats within days had the luster they haven’t had since pups also they lick the bowl clean!! great dog food here!!

  • Dave’s Hounds

    Kim my dogs do very well on this food. I use the canned regularly. I have tried many. My switch to grain free was not an easy one. Now there are 4 or 5 kibbles and canned I rotate through.

  • Kim

    Have a rescue that is allergic/colitis/IBD with any commercial food– home cooked great but you cannot add synthetic vitamins or supplements or he will get sick.  I tried this food because they add no synthetic vitamins/minerals.. this dog is doing great, very well in fact.   Also can feed him the canned with no side effects.  I am on bag 2 and also have fed it to my other dogs that usually eat raw.  They love it and have done very well.   Nice to have an option other than home cooked or raw that I can trust.

  • Pugsonraw

    Adding the lamb to my kibble rotation.  I like this brand has no synthetic vitamins and minerals…  

  • Dave’s Hounds

    I use this in my rotation – great food

  • Pugsonraw

    DH,
    Are you still using this food? I was wondering if it’s still in your rotation.

  • Kim

    I have a rescue that could only eat homecook.  I could not add any supplements or he would get hot irritated skin and IBD/colitis.  This food is working for him.  The only one out of about 25 that I have tried.  No added vitamins or supplements in this food.  I dont mind cooking for him, but was always worried about it being balanced.  So this is a good option for us. 

  • Toxed2loss

    Certain pesticides and harsh cleaners cause bladder wall irritation. It’s called interstitial cystitis, it’s extremely painful, and one of the symptoms is frequent, uncontrolled urination. Pup just has to get rid of the burning chemicals…

  • Shawna

    Urinary incontinence can be a symptom of a food reaction.  I get urinary incontinence if I drink too much milk (which I am allergic too).  My pup Audrey gets urinary incontinence if she eats a food she is allergic to as well.  However it could be a side effect of being spayed too.. 

    Uva Ursi is a plant that is used to treat urinary tract issues including incontinence..

  • hounddogmom12

    Hi Doodleperson,

    I give my dogs Trifexis and have never experienced this problem. I don’t see how the food could cause it either, Nature’s Logic is a wonderful food and has nothing in it that would cause incontinence. I would have her checked for a bladder infection. Spaying is another potential cause of incontinence in some females. There are several possible causes of incontinence but I would say a bladder infection or the spaying would be the most likely. Also, just a tip – as much as I love Nature’s Logic (due to no synthetic vitamins & minerals) it is not appropriate for a golden doodle puppy. It is much too high in calcium – most of the formulas are over 2% calcium. Calcium levels of over 1.3% fed to large and giant breeds while they are growing contribute to the development of orthopedic conditions such as hip dysplasia, so I would switch her to a lower calcium food until she’s full grown.

  • Doodleperson

    I have a golden doodle puppy (8 months old) that was spayed at 6.5 months of age.  Her previous dog food was Pet Way, but was put on Royal Canin MP14 (a low phosphorus, low protein food) by the vet to help with urinary issues. Her kidney numbers came back normal, so I was told she could go back to her normal food.  I bought Nature’s Logic chicken because I like what I heard and read about it.  I fed it to her gradually starting on 6/7/12, and on 6/14/12, we had another “accident” in the house and she was urinating alot.  After another visit to the vet, she (the vet) blamed it on the Nature’s Logic food.  Has anyone had issues with this food causing your dog to urinate excessively?  Also, I gave my puppy the heart worm/flea preventer “Trifexis” on May 13th and June 13th, the same time this all started.  Or is this an issue from the spaying? 

  • viki

    Here’s his picture

  • viki

    thanks Dave, little update, I put my parents dog on it and he loves the taste and no issues with allergies or ear infections, his coat is still nice and shiny (he was on nv instinct before), and most of all no anal gland issues, which I’m happy to see the most. 

  • Dave’s Hounds

    Victoria – I have coon hounds that have ear problems from time to time. I have not seen an increase and have now been on Natures Logic for 4 months now. They look great and all of the loose stools have stopped entirely. I only feed Natures Logic in am and then Ziwi Peak air dried and canned in evening. Natures Logic is one of the best kibbles I have found and I have tried many.

  • victoria

    Has anyone been feeding this food to a dog with yeast problems like frequent ear infections? have you noticed an increase in itching and ear issues?. I want to try this food but I’m not a fan of brewers yeast especially since its so high on the ingredient list. 

  • Dobergranny

    I have been feeding Venison dinner for 3 years to my 5 year old Sheltie.  She never tires of the taste & maintains excellent stool consistency.  In spite of frequent bathing, sghe also maintains a healthy skin & coat!

  • Heidi’s Mom

    I love Nature’s Logic! We’ve been feeding our German Shepherd Nature’s Logic for about three years. We vary between the lamb, beef, and venison flavors. It’s the only food we’ve been able to find that agrees with her and gives her firm poops. Before Nature’s Logic, her poops were very mushy, which I believe resulted in several anal gland infections/impactions. Since she’s been on this food, she hasn’t had any anal gland problems, other than one time when we tried another food for a brief time.

    I also ran into the fiber issue earlier this year and contacted the company about it. Scott followed up quickly and told me that they had changed their manufacturing process to correct the problem. He also gave me a couple of coupons for my trouble.

    I haven’t seen any more fibers/hairs (thank goodness!) but I do notice that some bags will have a lot of “dust” or small particles of dogfood in them. I put them through a large strainer to get rid of the stuff, and am hoping that it will go away as time goes by and they refine the manufacturing process.

    In the meantime, I will continue to use Nature’s Logic. It’s been very good for our dog.

  • NEWfoodLOVER

    REALLY great food, always has coupons and pretty reasonably priced!! My dgos have pretty bad skin and have responded in a great way to the amazing products in the food! My new pup HATED the science diet the vet sent me home with and she LOOVES her new diet! thank you for making such a great quality dog food and for this great accurate review!

  • Dave M

    I like the ingredients of this food and will try it in my rotation

  • matt

    This is the only food my dog seems to eat besides treats!

  • http://www.natureslogic.com Nature’s Logic

    Cockermom – I’m sorry if Scott gave the impression he or the company didn’t care. Let me assure you he did respond. In the spring Nature’s Logic changed manufacturing facilities to one that has produced a more consistent, high-quality product. We have had no issues of this kind reported for any of the food from our new manufacturing faciliity. We apologize for the manner in which this was handled. Please contact boh@natureslogic.com so I can learn more about what you experienced and remedy the situation going forward. Thank you.

  • Barb E

    Gina – (and for others that come along) Be sure you’re not overfeeding. Overfeeding is one of the top reasons for runny/soft stools in dogs, and NL is pretty high calorie so it can be easy to over feed.

    My 80ish pound German Shepherd only gets 2.5-3 cups a day!!

  • Barb E

    Cockermom – I find that almost impossible to believe about Scott.

    I’ve been feeding NL since 2008 and it’s the one food that my German Shepherd does stellar on.

    I have found Scott to be incredibly kind and helpful, taking time to thoughtfully respond to my bazillion questions over the years, and I mean bazillion!!

    Barb

  • melissa

    I have never used Nature’s Logic, but can say I won’t based on these comments. If the “straw” or hide is normal for the food or not, the lack of customer service and addressing consumer’s concerns irritates me.

  • cockermom

    We used to feed our dog Nature’s Logic but then we found hide in the kibble and Scott, the owner, couldn’t care less and had no intention of investigating what was going on in the processing plant. Hide should not be in the fish based kibble. There’s no excuse for that and the lack of customer service regarding the issue is what caused many stores in our area to stop carrying NL, not to mention a loss of customers. Stores began to worry when customer complained about what they found coming out of the kibble. I even save the kibble for Scott to see for himself but he refused to look at it. Something isn’t right and although we used to love NL, it gets a big thumbs down now. We switched to Champion Pet Foods instead and our dog’s allergies are now gone.

  • Gina

    My 9 month old Borde Collie has been on this for about 3 or 4 weeks, and has all of a sudden developed awful diarrhea. However, our Lab does great on it. I have been trying so many dog foods that they both do good on, so I only have to buy one bag at a time. After reading the reviews I am going to try a new brand next time.

  • Olivia

    I have changed my dog food to Ziwipeak dehydrated.
    I think its a good transition if your dog is use to kibble.
    He tried other dehydrated food and would not eat it.
    He loves Ziwipeak I am hopeful my dogs symptoms that I posted previously will clear up. Although I suspect this kibble has caused problems for my dog, I do realize that a lot of dogs eat this kibble and have no problems.

  • sandy

    I’ve seen straw like sticks sticking out of some kibbles sometimes. It looked to like dried, cooked grass or other vegetation. Could be the kelp or alfalfa or parsley, rosemary. It was in another brand of food.

  • Natalie

    “and what looked like straw”

    i completly missed that the first time i read ur post. it must be the same thing i found in my new kibble. i never noticed it in natures logic.

  • Natalie

    i found little pices of what looks like hay or sticks in a new kibble that is made with beef meal. looks like very skinny and tiny pieces of a tooth pick. i could actually pull it out with my teeth. its not in every kibble. i am ok with the hair now that mike explained but this does worry me.

    any idea what this may be mike?

  • Natalie

    Mike posted this

    Hi Diane… Nature’s Logic Beef kibble contains beef meal. AAFCO, the regulatory standards association linked to the pet food industry defines meat meal as:

    “the rendered product from mammal tissues, exclusive of blood, hair, hoof, horn, hide trimmings, manure, stomach and rumen contents except in such amounts as may occur unavoidably in good processing practices.”

    This surely isn’t what most of us would like to read or think about. And I’m not trying to minimize your experience as being OK. I wouldn’t like seeing cattle hair in my dog’s food either. However, this is simply a recognized factor in the production of meat meal.

  • olivia

    Three months ago my Miniture Labrodoodle started dry reaching, and bringing up bile or nothing. The vet suggested
    I change his kibble. Instead of changing the brand Natures Logic, I changed from the chicken to the beef. He continued to have problems on and off, today he had a barium x ray and is showing gastro inflamation with possible irritable bowel.
    The hair comments concern me because when he vommited yesterday their was a lot of hair and what looked like straw.
    The vet has put him on hills id gastro wet food for one week and some meds, once it settles down I will be looking for an allergy free wet food.

  • DAWN LEDER

    I WAS JUST READING REVIEWS OF ALL DIFF DOG FOODS ( I LOVE THAT AS MY PAST TIME)…LOVE READING PEOPLE COMMENTS…YES IM NUTS…BUT I HAVE TO TELL YA..AFTER READING A FEW OF THEM HERE AND PEOPLE SAYING LOTS OF HAIR…I SAY..YIKES! THAT JUST DOESNT SOUND RIGHT AT ALL…AND ME MYSELF AND I WOULD DEF NOT USE! AND DEF WOULD CALL THE COMPANY SAY…WTH?? LOL THATS ABOUT THE WEIRDEST POSTS I EVER READ ABOUT ANY DOG FOOD EVER! YUK!
    PS IS IT JUST ON THE BEEF? OR ARE YOU SEEING ON THE LAMB AND CHICKEN TOO? JUST CURIOUS!

  • natalie

    ShamelessRawFoodie,
    Thanks!

  • Kiki

    I am very bothered by the quantity and size of visible hair in Nature’s Logic kibble. Unusually large amounts of hair, almost every piece of kibble. Not sure I can continue to buy it.

  • ShamelessRawFoodie

    natalie – For pet pest control, I use garlic in small quantities, but I also use dried herbs, herb oils and natural feed-grade Diatomaceous Earth. I use DE on my dog’s coat, in his bedding, in his outside dirt pile where he rests, and also some in his food. For 6 years, I’ve had 100% success with flea/tick control without using any poisons!
    Here is some information and the link where I order Feed Grade DE:
    [link removed by moderator due to report of malicious content]
    Perma-Guard, (Fossil Shell Flour) Feed Grade Diatomaceous Earth
    When lightly rubbed into their coats DE is very effective against fleas, ticks, lice, and other pests on pet dogs, cats, and their premises.
    •Perma-Guard Food Grade Diatomaceous Earth is totally organic and safe.
    •Some of the uses for Diatomaceous Earth include; household pets, gardens, flower beds, field crops, grain storage, and livestock feeding.
    •Diatomaceous Earth is Mother Nature’s product with no harm to the environment, pets or to people.
    •Diatomaceous Earth is not an earth, it is the fossilized remains of microscopic shells created by one celled plants called DIATOMS.
    •Diatomaceous Earth kills by physical action, not chemical, by puncturing the insect’s exoskeleton and absorbing the moisture in their bodies. It desiccates the bugs.
    [link removed by moderator due to report of malicious content]

  • http://www.caninecountryschool.com Terena

    I use canned or cooked pumpkin for gas with some dogs with much success. You might look at what’s CAUSING the gas, as it’s simply a byproduct of poor digestion. Eliminate the three biggest allergens: wheat, corn & soy from his diet to see if that helps. Avoid beet pulp. Feeding health food grade charcoal and foods containing chlorophyl also helps with odors. As far as holistic bug control for the tiny Yorkies, I use a pinch of garlic daily in my dogs food (they are 60, 70 & 90 lbs) and NEVER have fleas, lice, ticks or biting insect problems with my dogs. It takes about 2 weeks to permeate the cells. Too much garlic will cause problems, so talk to your vet about dosing appropriately. Remember that garlic is an anticoagulant, so if your dog bleeds (injury or surgery) he’ll have a hard time stopping. Check out SpringTime for garlic chews with liver flavor.

  • natalie

    for the post above about the tick med. i have two yorkies 2 and 4 years old. around 8-9 pounds

  • natalie

    my two pupps eat natures logic and they absolutley love it. we tried orijin and they didnt respond well nor did they like it. they eat this like crazy.

    i was wondering if anyone can help with natural tick medicine. our backyard has lots of trees and we found ticks on our pupps a few times. they hate vectra and frontline. they act strange when i put it on and arent right the whole day. they arent right for a few days after vectra, so i can never use that again. is there anything out there that works that is natural? any info would be appreciated, thanks

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Diane… Nature’s Logic Beef kibble contains beef meal. AAFCO, the regulatory standards association linked to the pet food industry defines meat meal as:

    “the rendered product from mammal tissues, exclusive of blood, hair, hoof, horn, hide trimmings, manure, stomach and rumen contents except in such amounts as may occur unavoidably in good processing practices.”

    This surely isn’t what most of us would like to read or think about. And I’m not trying to minimize your experience as being OK. I wouldn’t like seeing cattle hair in my dog’s food either. However, this is simply a recognized factor in the production of meat meal.

    Next, as long as the kibble size is small enough for your toy breed, I don’t see why feeding both dogs the same food should be considered a problem.

    Unfortunately, other than the star ratings and the associated reviews, I cannot provide customized product recommendations for each reader. For more information, please check out my reviews and visit our FAQ page. Look for the topic, “Help Me Choose a Dog Food”. Or check back for a possible response from one of our other readers. Wish I could be more help.

  • Diane

    HELP!

    COULD SOMEBODY PLEASE READ THE ABOVE POST AND GIVE US ADVICE… WE NEED TO CHANGE OUR DOG FOOD AND FEED OUR DOGS. THANK YOU

  • Diane

    Hi!

    Just found your site, love it, and have passed it on to all my dog friends.

    We have been feeding our Goldon Retriever(6yrs) and our Yorkie Poo(12yrs) Wellness Super 5 for a number of months, prior to that we were feeding Iams Active Health. The reason we are looking into different food choices is that our Golden has a bad gas problem starting about 1/2 hour after he eats, has had this most of his life… sometimes smells, sometimes not, but when it does…!!!! He eats out of a special bowl with 5 compartments in it to help slow his eating, we have just bought a Beano type product because of this, and we also started to feed organic yogurt within the past 2 months.

    My husband went to the store yet again, to try to find a dog food to help our Golden, and our YorkiePoo who wasn’t liking / eating the Super 5 we think the kibbles are to big for him. He purchased the Natures Logic BEEF Kibble and we started transitioning them over about a week ago. They both like it, but we have some questions.

    1. Today as I was putting the kibble in to their bowls, and I happened to notice a lot of short little hairs mixed in with the food. You could hold the hairs and the kibbles would dangle. It is like they swept the floor and threw that in the food too. I don’t ever remember see this in any other brand of dog food, but then again I wasn’t looking for it either, and if it was there it wasn’t so noticeable. We are wondering if we should still feed this food and are wondering your opinion on this matter.

    2. Is this the right type of food for a dog with gas problems or are there be better options? He is not over weight, just over 70lbs.

    3. Is it o.k. to be feeding both dogs, the same food?

    Any thoughts / help /recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

    Thank you,
    Diane

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Andy… Although this is an excellent dog food, it didn’t fit into any of the specific 5-star “special needs” we have listed (such as grain free, hypoallergenic, etc.).

  • Andy

    Hi. Was wondering why Nature’s Logic didn’t qualify into the category of Best Dog Foods for Special Needs.

    It however has a 5-star ranking in overall ratings.

  • Carolyn P.

    Brewers Yeast can cause allergic reaction in some dogs (did in mine).

    I have an 8 month old Chihuahua and am trying to find a GREAT dog food for her. She has been checked for liver disease and tho’ some of the signs are there, it’s not a definitive diagnosis.

    I prefer to err on the side of caution and find her a food that will be good for her should (tho’ we pray it doesn’t happen) she have liver concerns.

    High protein is not good for dogs with liver issues. I was feeding my Chi Orijen and it sent her over the edge (thus the reason we suspected liver issues). The protein is just way too high for her (she is a tiny 5lb. very lean Chi).

    I’m still looking for the best of the best – sadly, I don’t think it exists. Back to homecooking! Orijen in all of my research was the best, with no controversial ingredients, sadly, it wasn’t suitable for my Chi.

  • Ralph W

    Jonathan & Mike,

    Thanks for the input.

    Ralph

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Ralph… Protein does not cause a dog to become overweight. Just like with people, calories (and carbs) do. For more information, please see our FAQ link at the top of this website. Hope this helps.

  • Jonathan

    Ralph, I would say you got some bad advice from a well-meaning employee who was repeating stuff he was told by his store’s P & G or Nutro or Hill’s Rep. Calories are calories, so if a dog is gaining weight, then you feed it less of the food. That’s all. Protein is a good thing. Carbs turn to blood sugar very quickly and then turn to fat, so really, dogs tend to become overweight (and diabetic!) on carb-heavy foods much more easily than on foods higher in protein.

  • Ralph W

    Mike, we have had a 10 pound, six year old toy poodle (rescue) for about two months. It has been 15 years since we last had a new dog, so it is like starting from scratch. I was very impressed by Nature’s Logic numbers. But when I went to the pet store we have been using for supplies, training lessons, and group get togethers for like breeds, they said I should not use this food for a small dog – anything over 30% protein is not good for a small dog and will cause it to be overweight. What is your opinion of this statement?

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Mike… Since fiber is never found in meat (only in the cell walls of plants), it would be my guess that the fiber content of the dog’s natural ancestral diet probably didn’t contain levels as high as they are in today’s carbohydrate-based kibbles. Yet fiber can contribute some fairly healthy benefits to a dog food. The average dry matter fiber found in all the foods of our DFA database currently hovers around 5%. You can learn more about fiber if you read “The Amazing Benefits of Dog Food Fiber“. Hope this helps.

  • Mike

    Hi Mike–

    GREAT SITE! I’m glad I just stumbled onto it! By the way, for those of you who seem to be having a harder time finding some of these rare brands at your petstore, petfooddirect.com is a great site to locate some of these. Good prices and free shipping.

    So, I have a 1 year old white Lab. I’ve been feeding him Nutro Natural Large Breed Puppy and was going to start him on the Notro Natural Large Breed Adult but I’ll be switching him to a better food after consulting your site. My question though is how important is the fiber content in these foods? I notice they vary widely –even low amounts in some of the better dog food. Isn’t it true that higher fiber foods will bulk up his bowel movements and help with him being able to empty his anal glands on his own? Nutro Natural has 4.4%. Nature’s Logic has 6/6%. Others, which are highly rated have under 3%. Is that an important aspect to consider when choosing a new food? Anyone have any good recommendations for a young Lab to keep his joints healthy and maybe help a bit with his heavy shedding (currently I’m adding Missing Link and fish oil to his food to help — not sure if it’s working much).

    Thanks!

  • http://www.pets1stdelivery.com Danielle Park

    I would like to make a few comments if I may.
    First the Animal Plasma is Porcine.
    Second, regarding the Purdue study look up Linda Arndt’s comments to the Purdue Bloat Study.
    The calcium/phos ratio is important just as Mike said. However, research was done on dog food with man made, chemical and synthetic minerals. Its always better to feed natural and a slightly higher, more pure source of Cal/Phos may be alright in this case due to the differences in the body’s utilization.
    The best thing is to contact Nature’s Logic. I feed this food, recommend it, and sell it. It has managed, prevented and even cured…YES CURED many issues in our customers dogs.
    I’m not a vet, but was a vet tech for years for a holistic vet. You can email me if you have any questions specifically on this food. Thanks,D

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Andrea… Some believe yeast can increase the risk of developing bloat. However, this is something I’ve never been able to scientifically verify. In any case, my best opinion of this (or any) dog food is expressed in my reviews. Unfortunately, since I’m not a veterinarian, I cannot provide specific product recommendations. Please see our FAQ page. Or check back for a possible response from one of our readers.

  • Andrea

    Also, would you recommend a wet/dry diet? Currently we just feed her dry kibble

  • Andrea

    Hi there,

    We are currently feeding our dog NutriSource, and unfortunately the feed store is no longer carrying it and considering a good food. She is an 80 lb. doberman and very active. The last time we tried to feed her Blue Buffalo, it seemed to have such a high fiber content that she was very gassy! We didnt try to switch again, but now that the store is no longer carrying it we have no choice.
    Question: Is this a good brand to feed a large dog? Our friend uses it for her mixed breed dog, but I am concerned about the yeast/bloat thing, although she usually has a pretty steady tummy and very little bothers her. Thanks for your input!

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Carolyn… This is a generic (unidentified) item. We have no knowledge of the source. You may want to contact the manufacturer.

  • Carolyn

    Hi Mike,
    Do you know what animal the “animal plasma” comes from? I’m not going into why this is important to me but it is. Thanks.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Bonnie… We do not currently track the individual micro nutrient content of the dog foods in our database. We rely on the AAFCO nutritional adequacy statements only. We assume here that if the company claims this product meets those requirements for growth or all life stages that it is adequate for large breed puppies. According to AAFCO, calcium must be at least 1.0% and phosphorus 0.8%. And and the calcium-to-phosphorus ratio between the two minerals must not exceed a 2:1 proportion. Look on the package and be sure these numbers are met. Hope this helps.

  • Bonnie

    Hi Mike,
    I was concerned about feeding Natures Logic to my large breed puppy because of the high level of calcium in all the flavors. What is your advice on the calcium content and if it should be fed to large breed puppys as well as adults.
    Thanks!

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Rohit… Thanks for your sharp eye. The brewers yeast on the ingredients list had an apostrophe (brewer’s) in it, so our not-so-smart software missed this controversial item. I’ve now removed the errant apostrophe and the problem is now fixed. Thanks for the tip. :)

  • Rohit

    Hi Mike,

    I thought I saw brewers yeast as a red item in many other brands you’ve reviewed. Nature’s logic has brewers yeast in it. Did you stop considering it as a controversial item?

    Thanks!

  • Val

    Oooops! My mistake! I missed Natures Logic on the puppy list.

  • Val

    Hi Mike,
    Could you please tell me why you would list Natures Logic dry as a 5 Star food, which is listed as all life stages, but not pick it as a 5 star puppy food.
    Also I am looking for a food for my 4 month old boxer. Do you suggest using a large breed puppy food.
    Thanks for your info.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Ralph… I’m so sorry to hear about your dog’s liver problem. And I can certainly understand how important it is to get the condition under control. Unfortunately, since I’m not a veterinarian, you’ve asked a question I don’t feel qualified to answer. Although I’m sure there are specific dog foods that could help, we try to limit our reviews to reading and interpreting pet food labels only. We never attempt to judge the ability of any dog food to treat certain problems or deliver specific health benefits. By the way, although older approaches frequently attempt to limit protein intake for many conditions, more recent studies appear to downplay the role of protein in conditions similar to your dog’s.

    Please be sure to discuss your options with your vet. I wish I could be more help.

  • Ralph D. Gibson

    We have 4 Chihuahua’s. The youngest has had some liver issues and I am wondering if the high protein is a little to high for this issue.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Carrie… It’s not the fact that it’s chicken fat but that the fat’s location is closer to the top of the list. The conclusion that dog foods with high fat content cause bloat is based upon a report prepared by Dr. Larry Glickman, a professor at Purdue University in 1995.

    However, in a more recent (2004) article, Dr. Glickman appears to be less supportive of his original findings.

    Other than that study, we’ve been unable to find any further evidence supporting the original findings. Until there is further scientific proof, we’ve chosen to ignore this idea. Hope this helps.

  • Carrie

    Was wondering about the third ingrediant listed…chicken fat….I’ve heard/read that this may increase the chance of bloat in large breed dogs. Can anyone help me with this concern?

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Curtis… Thanks for sharing this helpful information about how you use Nature’s Logic to help regulate your dog’s blood sugar.

    We are adding a dog food locator directory in late Fall (2010) that should help you and others find the foods you’re looking for. Hopefully, some stores may begin to see the need to stock an “in-demand” food in a specific geographic area.

    We’re also planning to add some “Best of…” and “Recommended for…” lists of dog foods in the near future. Your story proves the need for this service.

    Thanks again for sharing your story.

  • http://www.WeAreDogsmart.com Curtiss Lanham, CPDT-KA

    We have had our 4 year old Brittany, who has Type I diabetes, on Nature’s Logic Lamb-Dry for two years. We have not yet found another food that helps to maintain her blood glucose levels (BGL) so tightly. We take her BGL readings twice daily, and have for 3 years. We have tried at least 15 different foods…Nature’s Logic is the best to date for our diabetic dog. THE PROBLEM: There are few retailers in the greater Houston, TX area that will stock the food for us. We have discussed this with NL management, but nothing has changed yet…so sad…

  • Stefanie Bohannon

    I am so glad you added this review. My Shih Tzu love this food and do fantastic on it. It is the one dog food (to me) that is worth buying for my little Tzus. I have had many of people and breeders ask about the high protein content but have personally never had any problems with my dogs.