K9 Natural Freeze Dried Raw (Freeze-Dried)

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Rating: ★★★★½

K9 Natural Raw Freeze Dried Dog Food earns the Advisor’s second-highest tier rating of 4.5 stars.

The K9 Natural product line includes 5 freeze dried raw formulas, each claimed to meet AAFCO nutrient profiles for all life stages.

The following is a list of recipes available at the time of this review.

  • K9 Natural Raw Freeze Dried Beef Feast (2 stars)
  • K9 Natural Raw Freeze Dried Lamb Feast (2 stars)
  • K9 Natural Raw Freeze Dried Chicken Feast (5 stars)
  • K9 Natural Raw Freeze Dried Venison Feast (5 stars)
  • K9 Natural Raw Freeze Dried Lamb Green Tripe (5 stars)

K9 Natural Raw Freeze Dried Venison Feast was selected to represent the other products in the line for this review.

K9 Natural Raw Freeze Dried Venison Feast

Freeze-Dried Dog Food

Estimated Dry Matter Nutrient Content

Protein = 43% | Fat = 30% | Carbs = 19%

Ingredients: Venison meat, venison blood, venison bone, venison green tripe, venison liver, broccoli, cauliflower, carrot, spinach (chard), cabbage, apples, pears, venison hearts, venison kidneys, eggs, green lipped mussel

Fiber (estimated dry matter content) = 6.2%

Red items when present indicate controversial ingredients

Estimated Nutrient Content
MethodProteinFatCarbs
Guaranteed Analysis39%27%NA
Dry Matter Basis43%30%19%
Calorie Weighted Basis32%54%14%

The first ingredient in this dog food includes venison. Venison is considered “the clean flesh derived from slaughtered” venison and associated with skeletal muscle or the muscle tissues of the tongue, diaphragm, heart or esophagus.1

Venison is naturally rich in all ten essential amino acids required by a dog to sustain life.

The second ingredient is blood, which consists mostly of water. And although it doesn’t sound very appetizing to humans, blood is naturally rich in protein (albumin), vitamins and minerals.

The third ingredient is ground venison bone, an excellent source of natural calcium.

The fourth ingredient includes venison green tripe. Tripe usually consists of the first three chambers of a cud-chewing animal’s stomach. As unappetizing as it may seem to us humans, tripe is favored by dogs and sometimes even includes the stomach’s contents, too.

The fifth ingredient is venison liver. This is an organ meat sourced from a named animal and thus considered a beneficial component.

The next seven items include a series of nutrient-rich vegetables and fruit

  • Broccoli
  • Cauliflower
  • Carrots
  • Spinach (chard)
  • Cabbage
  • Apples
  • Pears

From here, the list goes on to include a number of other items.

But to be realistic, ingredients located this far down the list (other than nutritional supplements) are not likely to affect the overall rating of this product.

With four notable exceptions

First, this recipes contains venison heart and kidney, two nutrient rich organs. Although it doesn’t sound very appetizing to us humans, heart tissue is pure muscle — all meat. It’s naturally rich in quality protein, minerals and complex B vitamins, too.

Next, eggs are easy to digest and have an exceptionally high biological value.

In addition, green-lipped mussel are clam-like animals notably rich in glucosamine and omega-3 fatty acids, nutrients proven to support long-term joint health.

And lastly, we find no added vitamins or minerals on the ingredients list. We would assume these essential nutrients are provided by the food ingredients in the recipe. Since the company claims the product is suitable for “dogs at any stage of life”, we would assume these essential nutrients are provided by the food ingredients in the recipe.

K9 Natural Freeze Dried Raw Dog Food
The Bottom Line

Judging by its ingredients alone, K9 Natural Freeze Dried Raw looks like an above average dog food.

But ingredient quality by itself cannot tell the whole story. We still need to estimate the product’s meat content before determining a final rating.

The dashboard displays a dry matter protein reading of 43%, a fat level of 30% and estimated carbohydrates of about 19%.

As a group, the brand features an average protein content of 44% and a mean fat level of 31%. Together, these figures suggest a carbohydrate content of 17% for the overall product line.

And a fat-to-protein ratio of about 70%.

Above-average protein. Above-average fat. And below-average carbs when compared to a typical raw dog food.

Free of any plant-based protein boosters, this looks like the profile of a raw product containing a significant amount of meat.

However, the higher fat content associated with some of these recipes may not be appropriate for every animal.

Bottom line?

K9 Natural is a meat-based raw freeze dried product using an abundant amount of various named species as its main sources of animal protein, thus earning the brand 4.5 stars.

Highly recommended.

Because of their remarkably higher fat content, we cannot, in good faith, recommend either the Lamb or Beef recipes.

Please note certain recipes are sometimes given a higher or lower rating based upon our estimate of their total meat content.

For even more raw diet suggestions, be sure to visit the Advisor’s Recommended Raw Dog Foods summary page.

Special Alert

Rice ingredients can sometimes contain arsenic. Until the US FDA establishes safe upper levels for arsenic content, pet owners may wish to limit the total amount of rice fed in a dog's daily diet.

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However, due to the biological uniqueness of every animal, none of our ratings are intended to suggest feeding a particular product will result in a specific dietary response or health benefit for your pet.

For a better understanding of how we analyze each product, please read our article, "The Problem with Dog Food Reviews".

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Notes and Updates

03/10/2011 Original review
02/23/2012 Review updated (new products, new recipes)
08/30/2013 Review updated
08/30/2013 Last Update

  1. Adapted by the Dog Food Advisor and based upon the official definition for beef published by the Association of American Feed Control Officials, 2008 Edition
  • shelly hancock

    I have 2 dogs on K9 Natural, the older one will be 15 years old next month, the younger 2 years old next month. I started the older dog on K9 about 4 years ago, and she’s always done great. In fact, when I first switched her over (she was eating a grain free kibble), she dropped her ‘middle-aged spread’ and leaned out nicely. For her age, she looks great and still has the energy to play with the pup, and the labs on her blood work all look great. The times I’ve tried switching her to a commercially prepared raw diet with lower fat content, her skin starts to get dry and flaky, and her coat gets rough feeling. But that’s just my dog, other dogs might be different. The same thing happened when I switched to the K9 chicken.

    Maybe getting full too soon is a problem for smaller breeds, or dogs that eat slowly, mine are both around 50 lbs and we never have a problem with not finishing a meal. The real proof of a food is what is does for the dog.

  • disqus_NsXk2VlHov

    It says on the website (FAQ from memory?) that freeze dried and frozen are exactly the same ingredients (but just different processes). ie the dried chicken will be the same ingreds as frozen chicken. I had the same question for awhile as I feed the frozen chicken on my lazy days (usually prey model raw).

  • banban

    The dog eating K9, fecal extremely dry, constipation in dogs. I guess because bone in too much? Long term constipation will cause the dog prolapse of the anus.

    For Stella & Chewy’s, Primal stool is very good, not dry, not constipation.

    I found the K9 of cat no bones of this component.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Coconut oil isn’t used as an omega 6 source, it’s actually rather low in omega 6 fatty acids. Coconut oil is predominantly comprised of saturated fats (~91%). The health benefits from coconut oil come from its high concentration of medium chain triglycerides – namely lauric acid which lends antiviral, antibacterial and antifungal properties.

    Olive Oil is most touted for its monounsaturated fat concentration, although it does contain other fats as well. The distribution of fats found in olive oil are (approximately): 14% saturated, 72% monounsaturated, 14% polyunsaturated. What olive oil is particularly renowned for is its high concentration of oleic acid (55-83%). Oleic acid is an omega 9 monounsaturated fat. Dogs don’t have a known requirement for omega 9 fatty acids so olive oil likely wouldn’t lend much benefit to a dog.

    For adding omega 3′s, any fish/marine oil will be a good source: salmon oil, sardine oil, squid oil, krill oil, etc. Cage-free eggs are a rich source as are fresh or tinned fatty fish such as salmons and sardines. There are many plant sources of omega 3′s as well including flax, chia, hemp and algae oil. With the exception of algae oil, the animal-based sources are preferable. The reason being, the omega ‘s found in animal-sources are in the form of Eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and Docosahexaenoic acid (DHA). EPA and DHA are readily used by the body. Plant-based sources are in the form of Alpha-linolenic acid (ALA) and must be converted into EPA and DHA by the body. This conversion process is very inefficient so it’s best to go with omega 3′s that are already in the form of EPA and DHA.

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    This might help:

    http://www.antiaginganswers.net/healthyfats.html

    Also, nutritiondata.com lists the EFA content of some oils.

    Some other omega 3 sources are flax and chia, and algae, and of course the other various fish oils (sardine, anchovy, etc).

  • Guest2

    I know coconut oil is the “best” omega 6, other than salmon oil what is other rich omega 3′s?

    And what is olive oil, I thought it was 3 but I have also seen it has 6 properties…

  • Shawna

    AAFCO requires omega 6 linoleic acid in the canine diet but not any of the omega 3s. My guess is that is due to omega 3′s instability.

    As Sandy mentions, the ratio should be higher in omega 6 than in 3. Some suggest the acceptable ratio can be as high as 10 parts omega 6 to 1 part omega 3. From memory, ideal is closer to 3:1.

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    My recipe book says 2:1 to 6:1 omega 6 to 3. You have it backwards.

  • Guest2

    As far as I have seen, AAFCO doesn’t recognize omega fatty acids as an essential part of the diet so therefor it is the consumer to ensure this is supplemented if desired…

    What is the proper balance anyway? I thought it was like 2 : 1 for omega 3 : omega 6, meaning 2 parts omega 3 to one part omega 6??? Not sure though

  • banban

    As far as I know, K9 OMEGA 3, OMEGA 6 and the proportion are imbalance, especially in the chicken recipe.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com/ Mike Sagman

    Thanks for the tip. I’ll change my review to reflect that new information within the next few hours. Thanks again for your help.

  • Guest2

    On K9 Naturals website on the FAQ page they state that their food meets AAFCO requirements for all life stages… Maybe you wanna update the top of this page…

    This food looks to be 100% amazing! Their quality and their ingredients look as good as feeding fresh raw. I bought a bag of the venison. It smells gross though :)

  • Lis V

    Can you do a review for the frozen ones, please?

  • LawofRaw

    Yep, I can imagine your dad would have passed on the opportunity. People generally can’t handle the pungent odour of raw green tripe. But I would have done the same as you!

    I forgot to mention in my above post, not only is green tripe antioxidant potent, but also naturally potent in probiotics! Not that you need to be advised that. Just adding that piece of info for a reader that may not know.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    My dogs eat a lot of tripe – they get it at least three times a week. Luckily here in the US it’s not so difficult to get quality tripe thanks to Hare Today and My Pet Carnivore. This past fall I actually went out to the woods myself after my dad got a deer so I could get the tripe. He wouldn’t get it for me…oh the things I’ll do for tripe.

  • LawofRaw

    Today after work, I bought a K9 formula for the first time. I got the raw frozen green tripe (not the freeze dried version) as I can get the actual raw frozen version in Australia. I thought I’d get it also as a change up and the fact that green tripe in a more natural form is extremely difficult to obtain due to government regulations (apart from also being included in a raw and natural form in Dr. Bruce Symes’ Vets All Natural Health rolls), of which is unfortunate, since green tripe is so antioxidant potent for dogs, and is great as a once-in-a-while whole meal in a diet rotation.

  • http://www.facebook.com/conie.won Conie Won

    Hi, Hound Dog Mom
    Good news, he didnt throw up his food. The tripe gave him a big help! Super amazing dog food. I will be keeping it around from now on. Highly recommend this K9 Natural Lamb Green Tripe ;D
    I will continue the venison and will give it a try for other flavours in the coming months.

    Many thanks, Hound Dog Mom!

  • http://www.facebook.com/conie.won Conie Won

    Hi, Hound Dog Mom
    Thanks so much for your advise and the article. It’s really helpful. Yes, I will wait until he gets accustomed to it ; D

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Hi Conie -

    Check out this article by Dr. Becker, it discusses some digestive issues than can result when first switching to raw and how to properly transition from a processed diet to a raw diet:

    http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2013/04/15/raw-food-diet-part-3.aspx?e_cid=20130415_PetsNL_art_1&utm_source=petnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art1&utm_campaign=20130415

    And yes – you can mix venison and tripe, although you may want to wait until your dog gets accustomed to raw before mixing things.

  • http://www.facebook.com/conie.won Conie Won

    Hi, there. My poor guy threw up soon after eating his Venison Feast Freeze Dried. It was his first raw meal. I tried half scoop the first meal then reduced his second meal but failed. He threw up! Tried the same way on second day :(( failed. I stopped on the third day continue again on fourth day….failed. What wrong with me or what wrong with him? I read your transition options. I chose the first option which I actually shouldn’t. Didn’t know he will throw up. He has no problem eating other dry dog foods. I feel bad bout it.
    Yesterday, I bought Lamb Green Tripe hoping that will help. I will feed him tomorrow morning. Hope he will not throw up the tripe too. By the mean time, do you have any ideas how to prevent him from throwing up? I really like the idea of raw and I hope to get some advise from you. Thanks so much and I really appreciate it. Oh ya, can I mixed half tripe and half venison?

  • Pattyvaughn

    Shawna mentioned the quality of meat when the fat content is so high.

  • InkedMarie

    Nope, I was talking about the numbers. The fat is higher than the protein.

  • InkedMarie

    I dint say anything about meat or quality of it. Suggested the low rating of the beef is because the fat is higher than the protein.

  • Pattyvaughn

    I believe InkedMarie is talking about trimmings. Meat with excessive amounts of fat are trimmed off from cuts for human consumption. Also cuts near the spine and around some organs are known to be areas of high fat, low meat.

  • Shawna

    Sorry for the multiple posts but I had an afterthought.

    The above referenced lamb diet has a calorie weighted basis of 20% from protein and 70% from fat. This is a diet that would be ideal for a working sled dog..

    From Mushing dot com

    “For many of the sporting breeds a high fat diet would be considered 30% of the total caloric intake. For sled dog purposes high fat diets generally range from 50-80% of the calories. From experience I can say that 50-60% of the calories in fat is safe to feed long term during training as long as the rest of the diet is balanced for protein, vitamins and minerals. Once you exceed 60% of the calories you must be careful because at this point fat starts to displace other nutrients, most notably protein, and you can run into serious problems if you feed these ultra high fat diets long term.” http://www.mushing.com/articles/content.php?vw=2,,8,620
    Protein displacement would happen faster in house dogs because they simply expend less energy and require less quantity of food.

  • Shawna

    Hi NVSandfly,

    Sorry for the delayed response. I babysit my two grandbabies (ages 3 and 2) four nights a week. Between the babies and my eight dogs I don’t have a lot of extra time in the evenings and am not on much.

    I think it is really hard to know if a dog is protein deficient until they are seriously deficient. The amino acids in proteins are used to make the enzymes that digest the food eaten, the enzymes that prevent cancer, the enzymes that make up the very cells of the body even.

    Think about hamburger — low fat 90% lean hamburger is more expensive than 70% fattier hamburger. Financially, leaner meats are superior.

    But, the nutritional aspect of lower fat meats is more important in my opinion. The below data is taken from the website nutrtionion data dot com (links provided).

    Ground beef from a grass fed cow has a total fat amount of 4 grams. Ground beef from a corn/soy etc cow is graded by amount of fat. Seventy percent is used for this example. Total fat amount of 8 grams.

    Now look at the type of fat of each. The grass finished meat has 1 gram of saturated fat while the 70% meat has 3 grams.

    The grass finished meat has an omega 6 to 3 ratio of 4.88:1 (which is ideal). While the 70% has a ratio of 9.82:1 (which is on the HIGH side of acceptable). The 70% food is going to be more inflammation causing than the grass finished. And even more fat is likely going to need to be added in the form of omega 3 fatty acids.

    There’s not a significant amount of vitamins and minerals in ground beef but those that are available are lower in the higher fat meat than the leaner meat ounce for ounce.

    Grass finished example http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/beef-products/10526/2

    Seventy percent example http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/beef-products/8004/2
    Your dogs may not be fat on the higher fat food but they are not getting the same nutrients as they would from a lower fat food. Are they still getting enough? Maybe, I don’t know but I won’t put my own dogs in a postition to find that out.

    Also consider the fact that toxins are stored in fat. And cows (livestock) eating a diet that increases their marbeling (or fat) tend to be more toxic than leaner livestock as they are routinely given antibiotics, hormones and poor quality diets.

  • NVSandfly

    I’m still curious as to what you think low quality meat would consist of.

  • NVSandfly

    My dogs are also small dogs. I have two Chinese Cresteds which weigh 11 pounds and a 5 1/2 pound Chihuahua that are the ones eating the K9 Natural. I do rotate foods, but I feed mostly the K9 Natural as I buy it in the 8 pound box and want to use it up as quickly as I can. My dogs are not protein deficient or fat. I am curious to know what you think poor quality meat would consist of. Could you explain please?

  • Red

    Can’t speak for the dog formulas, but my cat has happily been eating this for about 4 months now. The protein to fat ratio is a good range for me (49-26), and she’s lost some of her extra “kibble” weight. Plus, I can actually find it in Canada, unlike many companies that make freeze-dried. Thumbs up from us!

  • Shawna

    I agree with InkedMarie,

    Because you rotate it may not be as big an issue but when the fat content is as high as it is in the lamb and beef the dog doesn’t eat as much because fat fills them up. For very active dogs that eat a lot of calories this is not a big issue. But my toy breed dogs could become protein deficient eating the lamb and beef foods as a main part of their diet.

    Also, a fat content this high (esp with the beef variety) is an indication that poor quality meat may be being used.

  • InkedMarie

    I took a look at the beef, the fat is higher than the potein, thats probably one of the reasons for its rating. As an FYI, fat should be around half the protein.

  • NVSandfly

    I have been feeding K9 Natural to my dogs for a few years now. I don’t agree that the two varieties are 2 star rating foods. I have never had any issue with my dogs being overweight as long as I fed them to maintain weight and not gain, unless one needs to gain weight. If one understands the nutritional value of the ingredients of the food they would know that extra vitamins should not be necessary for an otherwise healthy dog. That is especially true if other like foods are fed that do contain added vitamins and minerals. I rotate K9 Natural with Stella and Chewy’s and Vital Essentials foods as I believe rotation is better for the dogs than only one food each and every day. My dogs are all energetic, proper weight, clear eyes and happy, even temperaments. Their coats are shiny and full and their stools are good. I recommend all varieties highly.

  • Dave’s Hounds

    I recommend ziwipeak airdried or Grandma Lucy’s pureformance. Both 5 star. I tried k9 and for some reason my dogs poop was like a rock and very dry.

  • EW/Winston

    Folks, I’ve been feeding our show dog k9 Nat off and on since last spring (others were Ziwipeak and Precise Holistic Grain Free Pork). NOTHING has given him the benefits that k9 natural provides. You can see him at http://www.facebook.com/winston.weber if you want to see how he looks on K9 Natural and track his progress.

  • Booboo

    To everyone who is considering K9 I can totally recommend this product. When my Molly was younger she had real bad problems with her stomach with spasms. I had her at 5 different vets and specialists and no one could tell me what the problem was but had us trying all sorts of dried food. Finally one day when I was making my own food I discovered it was the starch that upset her stomach. From then on I got Molly onto K9 and have never looked back. This is the only food she is allowed to eat apart from apples and sometimes a fresh rabbit that she catches. Just do it … Use K9.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    Hi Sharron,

    I do agree with Patty on the varying ratings of K9 Natural – sounds like the Venison is going to be your best bet. I’ve used both the air dried and canned ZiwiPeak and like it – the air dried is very convenient.

    I read something recently about K9 Naturals that made me curious about it, so I did a little research – it has what I feel are some very positive traits – it’s GMO free; it’s made using whole foods with no added vitamins, minerals or supplements; it’s made in New Zealand like ZiwiPeak and all of the meats are sourced from free range, grass fed animals – meats are antibiotic and growth hormone free. I’m curious enough to try it myself.

    Now, one thing to consider is that ZiwiPeak is ready to feed and K9 Naturals has to be reconstituted with warm water.

  • Pattyvaughn

    Some of the K-9 Naturals flavors are not that good, 2 star.  All of Ziwipeaks flavors are 5 star.  However, rotating your dogs diet is the best way to keep his gut healthy, so you still might want to find a couple more good quality foods to switch between.

  • sharron

    hi

    what would be better to feed my yorkie/chihuahua, K9 Natural or Ziwipeak?

    thanks

  • Pattyvaughn

    Bryan is right, that is what they say, however several of us use raw as a topper with no ill effect, so I attribute it to an old wives tale or particular dogs may have a problem with it but not all.

  • BryanV21

    The way I understand it, raw food digests at a different rate than kibble, therefore feeding them at the same time is not ideal.

  • MegK

    I just started giving my dog the vension freeze dried but I don’t understand why on the bag it says not to combine it with kibble.  I thought you needed to do a slow transition when introducing new foods and to mix the old food with the new food for a few days.  I have been giving her turkey breast mixed with green beans and a little ziwi peak but she is started not to want to eat it so I thought I would use this as a little topper to give her something different.  Is it a bad thing to mix this with other food?? 

  • EvesHumanMom

    So I ordered a bag of the freeze-dried tripe.  We use it, reconstituted, as a topper for her soaked kibble.  Once soaked it is as stinky as the Tripett.  I scoop out only as much as we need, mash it more finely with a fork and let it soak overnight.   Have been using it pretty much once a day for the past three weeks to no ill effect other than the dog sometimes gets even more excited than usual. 

  • 5/09 LWNV

    I do feed this as the sole diet for my dog and I have nothing but praise for it. My dog has tried a lot of the raw diets (and a few kibbles in hopes of gaining wright) over the past 3 years and these past few months have been her healthiest.

  • Shawna

    5/09 LWNV ~~ This food is really only appropriate for extremely active dogs due to the higher fat content (it is HIGH compared to other “raw” foods)—-70% of the calories comes from fat..  That’s a lot..  Most dogs, with normal to lower activity levels, would not meet their protein needs on this food as they would get full from the fat before eating enough.

    My Chihuahua’s and Pomeranian’s would become fat and, at the same time, protein deficient on this food.

  • 5/09 LWNV

    This is a really great product. My Brittany has been on this food for several months. She is an extremly actve dog that looses weight in the spring and summer months due to her higher activity levels. She loves to hunt and never stops moving. 

    She responds better to raw and freeze dried. And I happen to dislike kibble (after all we do not cook our food to such a dry state that it resembles rocks and eat it – why should our pets??).

    On this product she has not lost the typical weight that is dropped every spring. She is lean and all muscle (usually by June you can see every rib no matter how much I feed her) with a great coat that gets tons of compliments. I mix the beef with the venison or the lamb as I do not the consitancy of the venison and lamb.

    I have never tried the tripe, but I do feel based soley on my dog’s response to the food that it deserves higher marks.

  • Shawna

    WOW, I agree with Hound Dog Mom!!  This food is ridiculously high in fat. 

    Lamb is a higher fat meat.  Marrow bones are high in fat as well — wonder if they use marrow bones?

    If a food is too high in fat, the theory is, the pup will get full before he/she satifies his/her dietary need for protein..  Since protein is the most important macronutrient, this would be a bad thing…

  • Hound Dog Mom

    I think they just use fatty cuts of meat. I feed my dogs a slightly higher fat content than normal – the ideally fat should be 50% of protein, I feed my dogs fat that’s 60% – 80% of protein – because they’re so active, but this is even fattier than anything I’d feed. There is actually more fat than protein. This would be fine for maybe a few meals a week or as a topper for a high quality kibble, but I’d never recommend it as a sole diet.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/IT6O6WXUWWJ6ZQSCRUUJZ5TH4A Seidean Sidh

    Hi, what exactly makes this food have a high fat content?  The ingredients seem to not present a lot of fat in themselves.  Also all users of this food how have your dogs reacted to this food?

  • EvesHumanMom

    Thanks Hound Dog Mom.  If I get the freeze-dried, I can reconstitute it as needed and not have to have frozen  hockey pucks of canned in the freezer.  She eats raw grasshoppers, skinks and cicadas, nymphs and adults with no adverse effect, so I think she should be okay, especially if there will be more nutrients.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Hi EvesHumanMom,

    In my opinion this would be a better option than Tripett. The K9 Natural’s product freeze-dried raw tripe, uncooked and with no additives so it will have retained more of the nutrients of raw. Tripett is cooked so all of the enzymes and probiotics are destroyed, they add vegetable gum, and the cans are lined with BPA (I believe). Just make sure you add water to the freeze dried because it’s so low moisture.

    Edit: As for the not adding to kibble, I think it would be fine. Some advise not to mix raw and kibble, but as long as it doesn’t upset your dog’s stomach it shouldn’t be an issue – many people do it.

  • EvesHumanMom

      Is there a big difference with this and Tripett?  I use the Tripett as a topper, with no problems.  Would it be okay to use the freeze dried tripe, or not?The directions say not to feed the tripe with kibble.  I am wondering why not?

  • Fika

     There is no such thing as normal poop.  Different foods produce different stools.  If your dogs are on one food and only eating that food and that’s because you have an idea of normal poop, than you are doing your dogs a disservice.

  • Neysha

    I feed both my Goldies Raw food and it was very difficult taking them on vacation or away for a few days. I now use K9 Beef for all my Trips. It s great for a few days or upto 2 weeks. It does not replace fresh met 100% but is a very alternate

  • Sbartlett

    In terms of K9 Natural and it’s fat
    content, as a scientist I can only entertain evidence based, published research
    on this topic. This as opposed to a arbitrary value determined comparatively
    based on other dog food products. To that end all K9 Natural products fit
    comfortably within all such research (please see below). Furthermore all other
    nutrients within our products again, have be extremely well crafted purely from
    natural, raw sources to meet all such recommendations, without the need for
    synthetic vitamin and mineral packs. I hope this helps you, please remember all
    values presented below on a dry matter basis.

     

     

    REFERENCE

    STUDIED AREA

    RECOMMENDATIONS

    AAFCO  (2011)

    All lifestages

    Growth and repair 8.0 %

    Maintenance 5.0%

    NRC (2006)

    Minimal/maximal levels

    Beyond the need to supply appropriate EFA’s, an MR of total
    fat for dogs and cats is unknown

    Ivy (1936)

    Axelrod et al, (1951).

    Minimal/maximal levels

    Studies have demonstrated tolerate for 40% fat in diet

    NRC (2006)

    Minimal/maximal levels

    Minimum dietary fat RA 5%. No evidence to change this
    recommend  from earlier estimates

    Downey et al (1980)

    Adkins and Kronfeld (1982)

    Minimal/maximal levels

    SUL for dietary fat approximately 70% ME

    Bauer et al (2000)

    Lepine et al (2000).

    Growth

    Canine milk fat content multiplied by .3 Result consistent fat
    needs reported previously

    NRC (2006)

    Growth 

    Total fat SUL for canine growth similar to that for adults

    Meyer et al (1979)

    Growth

    3-5 month old puppies  fed diets containing from 8-14 g
    fat.kg BW-1 for 3 months without any negative effect.

    Ontko et al (1957)

    Gestation and Lactation

    Total dietary fat to support gestation and lactation greater
    than  maintenance

    NRC (2006)

    Gestation and Lactation

    Studies precisely establishing the MR for total fat have yet
    to be conducted.

    Siedler/Schweigert,1952

    Gestation and Lactation

    Data indicates 7.7% total fat resulted in successful
    reproduction

  • Shelby

    Oh no! About 4 months ago, I bought two 8.8lb boxes of k9 natural  lamb as a transition for my dogs to go from kibble to raw. I havent fed k9 natural to my dogs yet because I am still in the process of researching more about BARF.

    I was wondering if anyone knew what I could do to alleviate the high fat content. (It is horrifying that the lamb version cannot be recommended.)

    I understand that I would need to feed more protein with little fat, but I need to somehow incorporate raw meaty bones into my dogs’ diets. What kind of raw meaty bones? What about the meat to bone ratio? I’m still a beginner with BARF.

    Any suggestions from raw feeders will gladly be appreciated! Thank you!

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com/ Mike Sagman

    Hi Alex,

    Unfortunately, when I recently revisited this product line I discovered new recipes and new products.

    And based upon our new emphasis on the fat content of each dog food, I was compelled to downgrade my initial rating.

    For a more detailed explanation, please read my summary in “The Bottom Line” section of this review. Hope this helps.

  • Alex V

    I thought this was a 5 star food? Was I mistaken?

  • Shane

    Karen this link will give you a brief look inside one of the factories 
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_WH_30q24o

  • Dave’s Hounds

    I tried two bags of this food – hydrating the food for 15 minutes before feeding – and both of my dogs had dry crumbly poop. i went back to Ziwipeak airdried and they were back to normal. 

  • Karen

    How about the K9 Natural raw, which I just bought. Since I’ve been making my own raw dog fodd for 3 years, I need a break once in a while…can you guys get the Raw one reviewed? Looks pretty good to me. But then again, Im not in the plant where its made, I would like to be, I have a hard time trusting any of them.

  • Gordon

    Richard – I’m aware that Labrawsome is Michelle. I could tell under the other thread when she responded to an old comment of mine, by her gravatar, and by something else, that I’ll with hold saying as it will get her even more upset, lmao.

    That story about the cancer in the neck is very believable and not surprising, but is astonishing and yet another stamp of the power of Mother Nature.

    I hope that all the world’s medical practices do one day, embrace the power of this magnificent ability, dogs possess.

  • http://BrothersComplete.com Richard Darlington

    Gordon

    I posted a note to Michelle, who has gone incognito as labsRawesome to try and distance herself from having admitted that I’m the only Richard in her life, about a Labs ability to sense cancer.

    I don’t remember the thread it was on and I miss the ability to go back through hundreds of recent posts to find where it was – if that ability exists on this new software I haven’t figured it out yet – so if someone knows how to do it please let me know.

    I have a customer who had a dinner party for 14 people, some of whom she had never met before. Her Lab would not leave this one gentleman alone and kept crawling into his lap and licking his neck. She couldn’t stop him from doing it and the man told her he didn’t really mind. At the end of the night, as the man left, he confided to his host that he had just been told he had some form of cancer (I don’t remember the tuype) in his neck – right where her Lab was licking all night.

  • Gordon

    Yep Toxed. I do endorse probiotic and enzyme supplementation to those pet meals of non raw and in apartments.

  • Gordon

    I just noticed the comments of your here, Toxed. That’s interesting that your poodle is being trained to alert you to trace toxins. I wonder if she can smell any mercury in raw fish, and is why she won’t eat it. Or may be she just doesn’t like raw fish.

    There’s a vet in Australia (Can’t remember his name) who has recently tried to convince the human medical establishment to keep a dog in their surgeries as a medical tool in the diagnosis of early stage cancers in their patients. As it has been proven that dogs can even pick on cancer odours.

  • Dave’s Hounds

    I find the large bag of ziwipeak airdried to be a much better value and quality is also excellent.

  • Sbartlett

     http://www.k9natural.com/about-k9-natural/quality-assurance

  • http://www.facebook.com/Toxed2loss Toxed2loss

    Dave M,
    Our dogs are individuals, aren’t they? LOL My standard poodle will eat anything you put in front of her except raw fish… I found that if I cooked it the teensiest bit, more like warm it up, and put a little yogurt or sourcream on it, she likes it again. Since I trust her nose over my nose, I’m guessing that there’s something about it raw she doesn’t like, that a little cooking makes safer. PS, she’s my service dog and Is being trained to alert to trace toxins.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Toxed2loss Toxed2loss

    Hi Gordon :-)
    I had read previously that you fed RMBs outdoors so your dogs can get soil probiotics. I posted what I do (because I’m often imprisoned in the house by neighbors spraying) and it occurred to me that apartment dwellers and people that don’t have yards, might not feed RMBs or raw because they wouldn’t want it on the floor. I should have included that I add a probiotic to their bowl. ;-)

  • Mark

    I feed my Lab twice a day 12 hours apart, can I feed her the K-9 for one meal and kibble and canned food ther other?

  • kayi078

    why cant i use this as my dog’s sole diet??

  • Gordon

    Dave M – At least that’s a good compromise :)

    kayi078 – The protein isn’t too high at all, but the fat maybe if you don’t use this product as a rotation and feed it only.

    I agree with the opinion that the fat content of any given meal should be around 50% of what the protein level is, and the carbohydrate level at the most, half of what the fat content is, if at all.

    So this product should not be used as a sole diet for any sized dog IMO.

  • kayi078

    is 40% protein and 3x% fat too much for a 7lb yorkie?

  • Dave M

    Gordon,

    My one hound will eat raw (almost anything put in front of her) my male however will eat raw fish without any problem – but all other raw meats including a steak or chicken he will not touch. He also wont eat a RMB until my female has devoured it – then he will chew on the bone (once it is clean). The air dried or freeze dried in addition to canned is a good compromise. Ziwipeak is raw canned and he loves it.

  • Dave M

    Does anyone know how many calories are in each (provided scoop) scoop? I am trying this for the evening meal

  • Gordon

    That’s interesting about antlers, shedding and feeding them when fresh, Toxed2loss. The same principle applies as not to feed cooked bones to dogs for the fact that it alters the matrix and gives rise to greater probability of splinting. Raw plus fresh is best.

    My dogs eat their RMB’s and carcasses etc anywhere they like outside just like in Nature where they have the freedom to drag their scavenge of kill where they want to indulge in it, as Lonsdale recommends. However, they’ll eat their BARF style prepared meals from their bowls.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Toxed2loss Toxed2loss

    We give fresh antler pieces to our dogs to chew. They don’t have blood by hunting season. They are “horn” like, grow each season, dry up and fall off, or are shed, at the end off the season. When they are fresh, they won’t splinter, and so are safe. While we have numerous racks from years past we don’t feed them, too dry. Of course, some have special significance and I can’t touch those.

    As for raw food, I feed it in the kennel. They are trained to keep it in there, as I don’t want the grease on any of the floors. Leerburg taught me that.

  • Gordon

    Antelope and elk “antlers” was the term I was looking for.

    Also blood is natural in sodium and is Nature’s provided salt for dogs. But RMB’s and with out offal, such as chicken wings and frames, for example won’t drip any blood, but would smudge ca carpet by way of greasy moisture. Again, outside is the best place to feed all RMB’s.

  • Gordon

    Martin – Yes, but not in the way you’re thinking. Some are more bloody than others, but all meat if squeased like a sponge will leak blood. Normally there is more blood in offal (the organs). However, either way I don’t think Nature had in mind for dogs to eat these off made made floors like carpet. Basically, you’re meant to feed RMB’s and general raw meals to your dogs, outside, in the back yard. Mother Nature and your dog takes care of the rest as far as cleaning is concerned.

    However, with out knowing your situation, I understand that there are dog owners who live in apartments with out front or back yards, who own inside dogs of toy and small breeds. In this case, I usually recommend those, take their dogs outside in a public park or any piece of land with grass or dirt or even concrete such as the foot path (side walk), and feed them their raw serving there, at meal time. You could kill 2 birds with one stone and also take them for a walk afterwards, or before hand.

    I’ve read some in these types of situations (That live in apartments), feed clean raw bones with out any chance of mess or dripping like antelope or deer bones….or did I get the animal or name wrong? I don’t feed these types of bones, but apparently they leave no mess on carpets for people in those types of situations. They’re apparently more expensive as well. But IMO, these bones lack the surrounding meat/protein to accompany the calcium and minerals in bones that dogs need when eating RMB’s. However, those types of bones will at least still naturally clean canine teeth.

  • Martin

    Are raw meaty bones bloody at all? I don’t want any stains on the carpet or on my dog for that matter.

  • Gordon

    I just realised, I wrote, “probably” in the context of the 2nd and 3rd paragraphs above, which I meant to write “properly”.

  • Gordon

    Dave M – They would eat raw, but are probably so not used to it. I think from your other posts, I would not try and convince you as you seem entrenched in your own beliefs. But at least you are feeding air-dried raw, now.

    BTW, probably handled raw meats are dangerous bacteria-free, especially muscle meat. You buy it from human sources like butchers and abattoirs, then put it in the freezer, then thaw a serving in the fridge from the morning so it is fridge-thawed by dinner, and you are as safe as can possibly be.

    Top that with probably wiping bench tops down and maintaining easy post raw meat handling kitchen keeping and it is all good!

    I prefer natural surface cleaners to clean my bench tops etc, and dogs’ bowls and I use 3% H2O2 & white vinegar (ACV is OK too) and then you have the most potent disinfectant the world over. And it is all NATURAL AND SAFE! And if you forget to wipe down what you sprayed, the residues will break down and dry safely, and the 3% H2O2 with turn into 100% H2O after a certain time exposed to light, and nothing could be safer. No need to waste money on harsh synthetic chemical based cleansers!

  • Dave M

    I picked K9 dehydrated this weekend (I think it is an excellent product) and I rotate between kibble and canned (primarily ziwipeak and natures logic) in am and ziwi peak dehydrated and canned in evening (no kibble). I am impressed with K9 and will try it for the month and see how it goes. I don’t want to handle raw and one of my dogs won’t eat any eat raw unless dehydrated or canned like ziwipeak. Which works better for me as well.

  • Gordon

    Yeah Martin – This food is not really sufficient on its own. RMB’s would compliment this food for dogs that much better.

    RMB’s like marrow bones, soup bones, chicken necks, wings, frames, turkey necks, wings, frames, lamb brisket, beef brisket, raw whole fish, rabbit bones and carcasses, and generally any ruminant carcasses, lamb shanks, legs etc etc etc and so on and more and you get the idea.

    Yeah, you can some or all the above in places like butcher shops, fresh meat suppliers, abattoirs, some farms, etc.

    And remember, a raw meaty bone a day, keeps the vet away.