Earthborn Holistic Dog Food (Dry)

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Rating: ★★★★☆

Earthborn Holistic Dog Food receives the Advisor’s second-highest tier rating of 4 stars.

The Earthborn Holistic product line includes four dry dog foods.

Although some formulations appear to be designed for a specific life stage, we found no AAFCO nutritional adequacy statement profile recommendations for these dog foods on the Earthborn website.

The following is a list of recipes available at the time of this review:

  • Earthborn Holistic Small Breed
  • Earthborn Holistic Puppy Vantage
  • Earthborn Holistic Ocean Fusion (3 stars)
  • Earthborn Holistic Adult Vantage (3 stars)

Earthborn Holistic Small Breed was selected to represent the others in the line for this review.

Earthborn Holistic Small Breed

Dry Dog Food

Estimated Dry Matter Nutrient Content

Protein = 31% | Fat = 19% | Carbs = 42%

Ingredients: Chicken meal, whitefish meal, oatmeal, ground barley, ground brown rice, rye flour, potatoes, sweet potatoes, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols, a source of vitamin E), canola oil (preserved with mixed tocopherols, a source of vitamin E), tomato pomace, ground flaxseed, apples, blueberries, carrots, peas, spinach, garlic, Yucca schidigera extract, taurine, l-lysine, dl-methionine, glucosamine hydrochloride, chondroitin sulfate, beta-carotene, calcium carbonate, zinc oxide, magnesium proteinate, copper sulfate, manganous oxide, niacin, d-calcium pantothenic acid, vitamin A supplement, l-carnitine, vitamin B12 supplement, l-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), ferrous sulfate, biotin, riboflavin (vitamin B2), thiamine hydrochloride (vitamin B1), calcium iodate, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin D3 supplement, folic acid, manganese proteinate, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, dried Lactobacillus plantarum fermentation product, dried Enterococcus faecium fermentation product, dried Lactobacillus casei fermentation product, dried Lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation product

Fiber (estimated dry matter content) = 6.7%

Red items when present indicate controversial ingredients

Estimated Nutrient Content
MethodProteinFatCarbs
Guaranteed Analysis28%17%NA
Dry Matter Basis31%19%42%
Calorie Weighted Basis26%39%35%

The first ingredient in this dog food is chicken meal. Chicken meal is considered a meat concentrate and contains nearly 300% more protein than fresh chicken.

The second ingredient lists whitefish meal, another high-protein meat concentrate. Whitefish is a freshwater species native to the northern United States and Canada.

Thankfully, unlike most fish meals, this particular item appears to be ethoxyquin-free.1

The third ingredient is oatmeal, a whole-grain product made from coarsely ground oats. Oatmeal is naturally rich in B-vitamins, dietary fiber and can be (depending upon its level of purity) gluten-free.

The fourth ingredient is barley. Barley is a starchy carbohydrate supplying fiber and other healthy nutrients. Unlike grains with a higher glycemic index, barley can help support more stable blood sugar levels.

The fifth item is brown rice, a complex carbohydrate that (once cooked) can be fairly easy to digest. However, aside from its natural energy content, rice is of only modest nutritional value to a dog.

The sixth ingredient is rye. Rye is a cereal grain nutritionally similar to barley.

The seventh ingredient lists potato. Potatoes can be considered a gluten-free source of digestible carbohydrates. Yet with the exception of perhaps their caloric content, potatoes are of only modest nutritional value to a dog.

The eighth ingredient mentions sweet potato. Sweet potatoes are a gluten-free source of complex carbohydrates in a dog food. They are naturally rich in dietary fiber and beta carotene.

The ninth item includes chicken fat. Chicken fat is obtained from rendering chicken, a process similar to making soup in which the fat itself is skimmed from the surface of the liquid.

Chicken fat is high in linoleic acid, an omega-6 fatty acid essential for life. Although it doesn’t sound very appetizing, chicken fat is actually a quality ingredient.

The tenth ingredient is canola oil. Many applaud canola for its favorable omega-3 content while a vocal minority condemn it as an unhealthy fat.

Much of the objection regarding canola oil appears to be related to the use of genetically modified rapeseed as its raw material source.

Current thinking (ours included) finds the negative stories about canola oil more the stuff of urban legend than actual science.2

In any case, plant-based oils like canola are less biologically available to a dog than fish oil as a source of quality omega-3 fats.

The next ingredient is tomato pomace. Tomato pomace is a controversial ingredient, a by-product remaining after processing tomatoes into juice, soup and ketchup.

Many praise tomato pomace for its high fiber and nutrient content, while others scorn it as an inexpensive pet food filler.

Just the same, there’s probably not enough tomato pomace here to make much of a difference.

From here, the list goes on to include a number of other items.

But to be realistic, ingredients located this far down the list (other than nutritional supplements) are not likely to affect the overall rating of this product.

With three notable exceptions

First, garlic can be a controversial item. Although most experts favor the ingredient for its numerous health benefits, garlic (in rare cases) has been linked to Heinz body anemia in dogs.3

However, the limited professional literature we surveyed provided no definitive warnings regarding the use of garlic — especially when used in small amounts (as it likely is here).

Next, we note the inclusion of dried fermentation products in this recipe. Fermentation products are typically added to provide enzymes to aid the animal with digestion.

And lastly, this food also contains chelated minerals, minerals that have been chemically attached to protein. This makes them easier to absorb. Chelated minerals are usually found in better dog foods.

Earthborn Holistic Dog Food
The Bottom Line

Judging by its ingredients alone, Earthborn Holistic Dog Food looks to be an above-average kibble.

But ingredient quality by itself cannot tell the whole story. We still need to estimate the product’s meat content before determining a final rating.

The dashboard displays a dry matter protein reading of 31%, a fat level of 19% and estimated carbohydrates of about 42%.

As a group, the brand features an average protein content of 28% and a mean fat level of 17%. Together, these figures suggest a carbohydrate content of 47% for the overall product line.

And a fat-to-protein ratio of about 61%.

Near-average protein. Near-average fat. And near-average carbs when compared to a typical dry dog food.

Free of any plant-based protein boosters, this looks like the profile of a kibble containing a moderate amount of meat.

However, due to their apparently lower meat content, the Adult and Ocean Fusion products have been downgraded to our next lower rating.

Bottom line?

Earthborn Holistic Dog Food is a grain-based dry kibble using a moderate amount of chicken or whitefish meals as its main sources of animal protein… thus earning the brand four stars.

Highly recommended.

Those looking for a grain-free kibble from the same line may wish to visit our review of Earthborn Holistic Primitive Natural dog food.

Special Alert

Rice ingredients can sometimes contain arsenic. Until the US FDA establishes safe upper levels for arsenic content, pet owners may wish to limit the total amount of rice fed in a dog's daily diet.

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Notes and Updates

04/18/2010 Original review
11/18/2010 Review updated
08/19/2012 Last Update

  1. Per Earthborn Holistic Pet Food Customer Service email dated 4/19/2010
  2. Mikkelson, B and DP, Oil of Ole, Urban Legends Reference Pages (2005)
  3. Yamato et al, Heinz Body hemolytic anemia with eccentrocytosis from ingestion of Chinese chive (Allium tuberosum) and garlic (Allium sativum) in a dog, Journal of the American Animal Hospital Association 41:68-73 (2005)
  • Pattyvaughn

    Great Plains Feast, Coastal Catch, and Meadow Feast are all ALS foods. And Coastal Catch and Meadow Feast are appropriate for large breed puppies.

  • http://www.facebook.com/amy.seidler.1 Amy Seidler

    Canidae actually has a lot of reports of diarreah and lack of interest int he food per dogs. They re-forrmulated it for some reason so I would avoid it. I’ve never heard anything bad about Avoderm but I find it hard to find in the stores.

  • http://www.facebook.com/amy.seidler.1 Amy Seidler

    Contact Robin Menard on Facebook. She is the founder of a rescue known as SNARR. She has a condition that sounds similar to what you are describing. It may take a few tries to reach her…but I would try. Good luck.

  • http://twitter.com/Martian767 Michele Arndt

    After removing all three dogs from the Eartborn Holistic Adult Vantage they have significantly improved. No more gas, bloating, diarrhea.

  • http://www.facebook.com/annie.russell.33 Annie Russell

    Vet said nothing is wrong or at least nothings showing up. She said don’t feed them any more earthborn and see what happens. They just might be allergic to something in it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/annie.russell.33 Annie Russell

    If i myself was peeing blood yeah i would wait due to not being one that goes to the doc. right off the bat but when it comes to my dogs or kids they’ll be taken to the vet or doc asap They come first

  • http://www.facebook.com/annie.russell.33 Annie Russell

    Never noticed them eating anything red as i keep a real close eye on them but i’m not taking any chances. I can’t stand to see one of my best friends/babies be sick or miserable. I take better care of them then i do myself.

  • http://www.facebook.com/annie.russell.33 Annie Russell

    O don’t worry they’ll be at the vet in the morning. If my dogs show any signs of problems they go to the vet

  • http://twitter.com/Martian767 Michele Arndt

    They were also receiving Primal raw mixed in with the Earthborn but we had run out and I hadn’t replaced it, choosing to just feed them dry to keep the costs down.

  • http://twitter.com/Martian767 Michele Arndt

    No, I did not switch or supplement their meals with Darwin’s. They were on Earthborn Holistic at that time and up until yesterday they still were. I’ve got to get their GI systems settled down and then introduce a new food as I do not want a repeat of what I’ve been through with them this past month. I did send an email to Earthborn this afternoon, including the UPC and all other pertinent information off of the package. I’m hoping that they will get back to me with a response.

  • Jan_Mom2Cavs

    I agree! Lucy, my mixed breed had urinary issues some years ago and most always has 1 thing a lttle high on blood tests concerning her kidneys. She suddenly had blood in her urine. She was/is acting fine and the urinalysis did not show much but the x-ray she had showed a mass on her bladder. The doctor and I decided to do a wait and see approach due to her age and the fact that she was/is acting perfectly fine. We did choose to add supplements to her diet. That was 5 months ago. Now I know to look for any “signs” that she needs to go back to the vet asap….so please take your dog to the vet.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Did they by any chance eat anything red? I once fed my dogs some cranberry dental chews made by Zuke’s and their pee was red afterwards. If you’re sure it’s blood – I agree with Melissa and Patty, get them to a vet ASAP.

  • Melissaandcrew

    Take your dogs to a vet. If you or your kid started peeing blood, would you wait?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    Hi Michele,

    I know you mentioned previously that you had replaced one of your meals per day with raw. Did you switch to Darwin’s ZooLogics or were you using another commercially prepared raw food?

    Did you report your concerns with the Earthborn Adult Advantage to either Midwestern Pet Foods or the FDA?

  • Pattyvaughn

    Please take your dog to the vet now!!! Peeing blood is a major sign that something is wrong and should not be ignored on the hopes that it will go away on it’s own.

  • http://www.facebook.com/annie.russell.33 Annie Russell

    I noticed today that my 3 dogs are peeing blood now so i’m not feeding this anymore. I’ll just keep them on pure balance and give them a supplement for their skin and coat

  • http://twitter.com/Martian767 Michele Arndt

    I have been feeding Earthborn Holistic Adult Vantage to my dogs for two years now. Recently one of my dogs was hospitalized for pancreatitis and subsequently came down with kennel cough. I thought that this was just idiopathic as I have three dogs and only one became ill. After finishing a bland diet, given to all three dogs, I started them back up on the kibble only to have the symptoms return for the ill dog and the other two dogs developed loose stool/diarrhea. I suspect that it is related to the Adult Vantage. This particular bag I have appears to be an end run as there are multiple broken pieces and I am fearful that there is something in there that shouldn’t be. It is so frustrating as it has been nearly one month that my dogs have been ill and the expense is quickly approaching $1000 for vet bills.

  • doglover

    bad bad bad stuff mademy dogs have diarria and bleed!! not just one but all of them. after about a month this started. idk whats in it but i threw it out, i wouldnt reccomend this to anyone!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/marian.dewey Marian Dewey

    Have switched to Earthborn Holistic Puppy food….he loves it. Tried 1/2 bag of Orijen (because of reviews) and his poop was black, smelly, and lots and lots of it several times a day. Orijen had too much protein for him…a shih Tzu/silky terrier mix.And that is a big problem later down the line with kidneys or liver problems. So far so good with Earthborn and he’s waste is back to normal and the protein is at recommended level. Breeder had him on a Purina brand and had already transitioned to Innova and was going back to that, but was in recall when I turned in bag of Orijen.

  • http://www.facebook.com/annie.russell.33 Annie Russell

    I started feeding this food to my 3 bostons for 5 days now and so far so good. They eat it right up and want more plus there’s way less poop an it’s small and firm. No gassy odor either, i’m really suprised at that. This food as well as others is hard to find in my area but the pet store that just opened up 30 min from me carries it so i decided to get some and glad i did. As far as shiny coats i’ll have to wait and see. This food is pretty expensive but if it does my dogs good then i’ll stick with it for awhile. Forgot to mention that i’m mixing this food with old food (transitioning).

  • http://www.facebook.com/paulette.tracy Paulette Tracy

    If you check the other four products that our grain free, you will find protein levels of 26%, 32%, 34% and 38% and those particular product lines have been rated differently.

  • Cate

    So true, some companies hire Crossmark, Chuck Latham Assoc. etc to represent the food. That same person could have done store resets or been a food sample rep the week before. They know little or nothing about pet nutrition.
    The reps that are direct hire go through classes & ongoing learning sessions. If they don’t attend classes the companies let them go.

  • Cate

    Someone said the same thing about Blue Buffalo. Must be a person going from plant to plant with bags of that stuff & sneaking in & putting it in another manufacturers vat.
    Some of these plants are 1000 mi. from each other.

  • Pattyvaughn

    The little number 1 was refering to a footnote stating “Per Earthborn Holistic Pet Food Customer Service email dated 4/19/2010 ↩”

  • Gaynor Fletcher

    You comment that “unlike most fish meals, this particular item appears to be ethoxyquin-free” however, according to the following link:

    http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/dog_food_reviews/showproduct.php/product/2314 they say that: “but we find no sign of a guarantee on packaging or the manufacturer website that this ingredient has been purchased free of ethoxyquin (ethoxyquin is a chemical preservative commonly added to ocean fish products destined for meal, but that is banned or heavily regulated in human food products due to the belief that it is carcinogenic).”

    How do you support your findings in this regard?

  • Sapphire Light

    This food is made by midwestern farms and they do have their own plant, they produce for dogs and cats this follwing foods:

    earthborn, propac, and sportmix

  • InkedMarie

    Wow, thats not good. What did they say when you spoke to them?

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    Do they have their own plant or is this food made by a plant that makes several foods? Might be a plant issue. I’ve bought Back to Basics once and there was a red fish shaped kibble in it!

  • Proud owner of seven pets

    I have been purchasing Primitive Earthborn dog food for a couple of years now and am concerned about the quality of their products since becoming popular. I opened a medium size bag last week and there are pieces of star shaped cat food mixed in. I also buy the cat food by Earthborn and the shape of the pieces are not star shaped but actually round pieces…so what and where are these pieces from? Where did their quality go? I placed a call to them and am awaiting their reply!

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Hi Jennifer Bounds –

    Before switching you could try supplementing with digestive enzymes – these can often help with gas. If not, most of the other 4 star foods would be comparable. Two that are pretty similarly priced are Merrick’s Whole Earth Farms and NutriSource.

  • Jennifer Bounds

    I’ve had my 6 month old lab pit mix on earthborn holistic puppy vantage for about two months now and he still has the worst gas. Any suggestions on what to try next?

  • Pam Casira

    Does anyone here feed their dog Earthborn Holistic? Which one do you think is the best (of the grain-free)?

    So far my dog has tried Coastal Catch(small kibble). Even though she went crazy for it, I didn’t like how fishy her breath smelled. So I bought her a 28lb bag of Great Plains Feast. I didn’t realize the kibble was going to be normal sized :/. That bag is probably going to last a couple months lol.

    Switching her off Simply Nourish puppy food because this stuff is actually cheaper at CountryMax.

  • InkedMarie

    awww, Hunter is holding the leash!

  • Shawna

    OH MY GOSH Mike!!!  Those are fabulous pictures.  Hunter and Jubilee are both too adorable!!! 

  • Pattyvaughn

    I just love how some dogs just understand to be more careful with a child.

  • Mike P

    Hunter and Jubilee at the park this morning. Jubes would not even try to pull him.She loves that little guy…

  • Shawna

    I’m in heaven — the words going thru Jubilee’s head as she worked on that bone :) ..

    Sure, that would be great!!

  • Pattyvaughn

    Ooohhh, when I was little I always wanted a real teddy bear , too.

  • InkedMarie

    awww, how cute!

  • Mike P

    Found this pic on FB and had to post it.How cute is this???

  • Mike P

    Thanks Shawna. I give her the bone frozen and she worked it over for about 2 hous.She got about an inch of marrow from each end and then I threw it away.As for photo’s that sounds like a good weekend project and will post some this week when I get some.If you want I can private message you on FB with my email adress…

  • Shawna

    Hi Mike :)

    I think Toxed would be a better source of info on this topic..  I know toxins can come from smoked foods so it would depend on how the food is smoked, what preservatives, if any, are used on the wood being smoked, if flavoring is used on the meaty part of the bone etc..  Toxed are you around?  Your thoughts?

    Raw marrow bones can have a LOT of fat in the marrow..  If the marrow has not already been scraped out then I would (with my dogs at least) scrape some of the marrow out.

    Have you posted any pictures of Jubilee lately? 

  • Shawna

    OH MY GOSH!!!  Are you serious!!!!????  Did you reply?

  • Bob K

     Betsy – I would love to see the proof on that statement.   I suspect they also believe that kibble is the prefect doggy diet.  What a boring life eating the same crap over and over month after month. 

  • Mike P

    I don’t think I’ll ever vac Jubilee again except for rabbies 3 years from now.I asked my own Doctor and he said it was crazy to give yearly vacs.I think my Dr knows a bit more about the immune system than a vet.Shawna I have a Question…I have 2 meat lockers that use grass fed local cows.One has smoked femur marrow bones and the other raw marrow bones.Which do you think is best? Thursday is bone night for Jubes and her teeth are so white and clean.The wife likes the smoked as they are less messy.Jubes likes them both as well.

  • BryanV21

    Most reps don’t know much of anything about nutrition anyway. Like vets, they only know what the company tells them, which is obviously skewed.

    I’m not a big fan of Nutrisource as it is, since their selection of different proteins is very limited outside of the PureVita line.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    I’ll drop you an email tonight. It’s not as miserable as it used to be. Either I’ve gotten used to it or the Neurontin helps. I’m inclined to think it’s the latter.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    Speaking of rotating… please tell me a rep from Nutrisource did not just say this in their email to me: “First it is better to not rotate food if you don’t have too. Your pup will have less problems and live longer if they stick with the same food.” Oh vey!

  • Shawna

    Okay, you’re a jerk too :) ….  Hee hee hee…  I LOVE milk but it sure doesn’t love me…

    I eat potato once in a while too — like baked and french fries too.  But, I like sweet potato (baked at least) equally well..  We do eat quite a few tomatoes but they are seasonal (cherry tomato plant in back yard is toast due to a hard freeze several nights ago)..  We also eat fresh steamed green beans several times per week when available.

    Probiotics help but are not a fail safe..  If you develop any diseases that are autoimmune in nature etc..  Try giving up the dairy for a few months and see if there is any improvement.  If not, you know for sure and simply start it again.

    Dairy, by the way, is even more sinister for some..  There are two types of the casein protein in dairy — beta casein A1 and beta casein A2.  A1 is a mutation of A2 that happened in Europe YEARS ago.  They’ve known about the differences for some time..  Enough time for Austrailia to completely convert all dairy cattle (through selective breeding) over to A2 cattle.  The US could too but they are sweeping the issue under the rug like most everything else. 

    I’ve read that beta caseine a1 can cause juvinile onset diabetes, heart disease, autism, mental illness etc (in suseptible people and I’m sure pets are not immune).  There is a book called “The Devil In the Milk”.  I started it but got side tracked and haven’t got back to it…  Story of my life… :)

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Lectins sound very scary. Luckily my dogs or myself don’t eat many of those foods.

    I mostly only eat products made with sprouted grains, I’m not a big fan of anything in the nightshade family (aside from french fries and ketchup lol). Don’t do corn. Don’t do soy (or many other legumes for that matter). I do drink a lot of milk though, I have a huge glass every morning with the chocolate amazing grass superfood powder…the powder does have probiotics in it though so hopefully that spares me from dairy lectins. :)

    I agree with the rotating, I think anything can cause issues fed everyday for life (like most dogs are fed).

  • Shawna

    If Banfield recommends yearly shots then I would run (not walk run) away from there as FAST AS POSSIBLE….

    There is ABSOLUTELY NO need for annual shots in most cases..  The core shots (adeno, parvo and distemper) are suggested for revacciantion ”every 3 years or longer”.  Rabies is based on local laws.  The non-core vaccines should only be given IF NEEDED..  Especially in an elderly dog…

    If your vet suggests annual vaccines — your vet is definitely more interested in your money then in the health of your girl…

  • Shawna

    OH MY GOODNESS!!!!  That is HORRIBLE..

    Email me at  shawnadfaemail(at symbol)yahoo.com.  From there I’ll give you my phone number..  I think in your case it would be easier to talk — at least at first..

  • Shawna

    PS — they KNOW that lectins can cause auto-immune diseases…lupus, MS, thyroid etc (not just kidneys and pancreas).

  • Shawna

    I love nutritiondata.com..  One of the few free (if not the only one) where we can get the nutrient analysis on different foods.  I was warned that it can be inaccurate with some foods but it is the best currently available..

    Yes, legumes have lectins.  In fact, the lectins in unprocessed raw kidney beans can acutally kill adult peopel.  Soaking beans helps remove some of the lectins.  Hence why they say to soak beans AND poor off the soaking water.  I forgot to do that once with pinto beans (for ham and bean soup) and my husband became violently ill that night.  He has refused to eat pinto beans since.  I was fine though.  However hubby can eat dairy without a reaction while I can not — jerk!!! :)

    Nutritiondata says whole grain wheat is “mildly” inflammatory………  Ask a person with gluten intolerance what they think about that :)

    The thing with lectins — individual people are reactive to different lectins.  And the scary thing is that you may be reacting without even knowing it..  I was looking something up for a friend that emailed me and came across the below which I think applies to this conversation.  Sorry for the length.

    “Different classes of plants, such as mono- and dicotyledonous, have different classes of lectins with differing biochemical properties, and there is a subclass of lectins only found in grasses like cereals…..  The intensively studied lectin wheat germ agglutinin (WGA), which protects against insects and fungi [49], is present in wheat seed in both the germ and the gluten part of endosperm [50]. Peptides behaving in a lectin-like manner have also been obtained upon cleavage of gliadin in gluten [51]. Sourdough lactic acid bacteria hydrolyse gliadin peptides and inhibit their lectin-like behaviour [52], which perhaps explains some of the unexplained health effects of probiotics [53]…..    Thus, lectins are present in our food, they are heat-stable and resistant to breakdown in the gastrointestinal tract, they bind to the surface epithelium of the digestive tract and they can lead to anti-nutritional, mild allergic or other subclinical effects in humans and animals [48,49]. Lectins can also be transported through the gut wall into the blood circulation, where they directly influence peripheral tissues and body metabolism through the binding to glycosylated structures, such as the insulin receptor, the epidermal growth factor receptor and the interleukin 2 receptor [57-65].  WGA have effects on activation of the epidermal growth factor receptor [61], mitogenesis [66], agglutination of red blood cells [48], activation of platelets and cell adhesion molecules [67] and vascular permeability [68-70]. WGA also have several effects related to autoimmunity, allergy and inflammation [57,71]. WGA binds to several types of mammalian cells including pancreatic duct epithelial cells [72], prostatic cancer cells [73], arterial macrophages and smooth muscle cells [74,75], glomerular capillary walls, mesangial cells and tubules of human kidney [59]. Human serum contains antibodies against WGA and lectins of soybean and peanut [76]. Hence, lectins have sufficient properties to affect the leptin system indirectly, through effects on metabolism central to the proper function of the leptin system, and possibly also directly through interaction with leptin or the leptin receptor. The intriguing possibility of a direct interaction between lectin and the leptin system is worth some additional comments.”  http://www.biomedcentral.com/1472-6823/5/10

    So, lectins can cause leptin issues, can bind to the pancreas and kidneys (pancratitis and kidney disesae a possible consequence?).  This discusses WGA which is in wheat but other foods have not been tested as much or at all. 

    My whole point — we know that lectins in grains (rice apparently being least problematic), potatoes (and other nightshade plants), legumes (peas and green beans seem to be less problematic then soy etc), corn and dairy seem to be the most reactive foods..  However, for some people and pets — strawberries, garlic, eggs etc can be the problem food.  AND that the damage can be going on long before any symptoms are seen.

    What this means to me — our dogs that are sometimes fed the same food for life, should be eating the least reactive foods.  However for those that give probiotics and rotate often, more foods can be used because the body has the ability to rest in between reactive foods and probiotics help to protect against lectins.

  • Kasha

    Wow!  You all post into the night!  there was a lot to read!  I started Kasha last night on the EB adult vantage.  One of the reasons was it was in my car and I didn’t want to go out to the store again ;) .  The rep from EB actually had suggested that one but did say she preferred the grain free ones, but might be too rough in the switch. 

    I’m going to have to watch my little stinker.  When she likes a food she spits out the “old” stuff.  What surprised me this morning was her spitting out three pieces of the new food.  Hmmm.  From what I’ve been reading, she should be gobbling it up.  The true test will be when it’s mostly new food.  How much will I have to pick up of the old.  :)   She’s too smart for her own good.  Next thing I have to do is find a good wet food to put on top.

    Oh and switching up her food, won’t that make her tummy upset?  That’s why I was going to go through this 30lb bag and maybe a 2nd before moving her to an even better food. 

    And as for the vet… I do use Banfield *shivers* but I’m away from the one that kept telling me she was in liver failure.  I also caught him running
    unnecessary procedures (simple ones usually) just to increase the bill.  Kinda had words with him (ok more than kinda).  I have found an excellent vet through one of my customers and while Banfield is good for her yearly shots and a butt squeezing (glads)…. when it comes to any tests that come back funny, I take her right to the other vet.  I would keep her at the good vet, but their costs are a bit more

  • Betsy Greer

    Hi Shawna,

    I would love to talk to you about this.  I have face pain issues myself and have had lots of testing and imaging studies.  My neurologist thinks it must be somehow the effect of a virus on my neurological system.  I’m hell bent on finding an answer, but my doctor seems comfortable with his diagnosis ~ I have a lot of faith in him, but am not willing to accept that I’ll have to live with excruciating facial pain for the rest of my life.  It’s already been 3-1/2 years. 

  • Hound Dog Mom

    If lectins cause issues than foods with legumes should be bad too, correct? I haven’t done too much reading on lectins, but I do think I remember reading legumes are very high in lectins. I’m a little iffy on legume based foods anyways, not that I think legumes are horrible they’re probably one of the healthier binders in terms of nutritional value and glycemic index but I always have to wonder how much of the protein in the food is from meat and how much is from the legumes. At least with potato and tapioca you know that the binder isn’t really contributing to the food’s protein content.

    I remembered Self listed inflammation factor for various foods taking into account fatty acids, antioxidants, and glycemic impact. I checked out some of the most common binders (http://nutritiondata.self.com/):

    Mildly imflammatory: lentils, peas, garbanzo beans, cooked white potato, white and brown rice, millet, whole grain wheat

    Strongly Inflammatory: oats, tapioca, corn (flour), barley

    So it looks like by their calculations, there aren’t really any binders that are non-inflammatory? So I guess all kibble could (potentially) cause some issues to sensitive animals?

    I hate losing posts…it only seems to happen when I have good post I’ve spend a lot of time on too (naturally). lol.

  • Shawna

    PS — I will note that there are other causes of arthritis then lectins..  Due to this some research would find that limiting certain lectins had no affect on arthritis symptoms.. 

    I’ve also read some blog posts where people had significant symptom improvement (from joint pain) when eliminating gluten grains.

    Before my dairy diagnosis I spent one summer on crutches (doctor prescribed) because of the extreme joint pain in my knees (would jump from knee to knee).  One month my right leg would be up and the next it would be my left.  Generally however, my reaction to dairy manifests in my face and jaw.  My jaw gets so inflammed that all my teeth on one side of my face HURT to the point of being unable to eat.  They will also get loose.  The inflammation/pain jumps from side to side.  Symptoms were much more vague when I was younger..

  • Shawna

    Grrrrrrrrrr a “script error” just caused IE to quit and restart and I lost everything I had just linked to…  GRRRRRR  Here goes second attempt…

    This paper doesn’t discuss arthritis but discusses how lectins cause damage..  http://www.crcnetbase.com/doi/abs/10.1201/9781420037524.ch10

    http://www.pjbs.org/pjnonline/fin1120.pdf

    This is Cordain’s work.  He is the guru on lectins.  http://www.direct-ms.org/pdf/MolecularMimicryOther/Arthritis.pdf

    More Cordain (shorter then last :)   http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10884708

    This was a survey versus research
    Journal of Neurological and Orthopedic Medical Surgery (1993) 12:227-231 An Apparent Relation of Nightshades (Solanaceae) to Arthritis
    http://www.noarthritis.com/research.htm

    I had more but not going to push my luck and risk losing it all again…

  • Jan_Mom2Cavs

    Betsy, I forgot to post this last night…..before I started using snoods/hair scrunchies or trimming their ears the dogs (especially Stella, my blenheim oldie) would get parts of treats or their food stuck in their ears and then proceed to chew their own ear hairs off!  Cavaliers….hahaha, such a wonderful, funny breed!

  • Shawna

    I’m having issues posting — wifi acting up.  Had to tether my phone to the laptop just to get this posted..  Grrrrrr  (Hotspot isn’t working either?)  Signing off for the night..  Sleep well everyone!!!

  • Shawna

    Quoting my two year old grand daughter “Bwa ha ha, bazinga”…  Good one Doggone :)

  • doggonefedup

    floppy ears are not a problem……thats why they still make clothes pins….. ;->

  • Shawna

    Hmmmm, floppy eared dogs could be an issue with egg…  I have two that have floppy ears but they aren’t as long as a Cavs…  I like Jans scrunchie idea :) .. 

  • Jan_Mom2Cavs

    Hi Betsy…I just wanted to say that I bought some of the EB wet food (I say “wet” because it’s actually packaged in a tub, not a can).  While my dogs liked it okay I probably won’t be buying it again.  I felt that the meat in the food felt/seemed kind of “plasticy” lol, for lack of a better word.  There are just other wet/canned foods that I like better.

  • Jan_Mom2Cavs

    You should make them their own “snoods” lol….Cavaliers wear them alot.  Or you could just take a hair scrunchie and tie their ears back hahaha….it does work, though!

  • Shawna

    Thanks :)

    I DEFITELY agree with the concept of a food not being much if any better by substituting one starch for another in a lower protein food (does TotW come to mind :) …  I DON’T like grains though and am not at all shy about stating that :) ….  Guess you already figured that one out huh :) .. hee hee

    Another issue with potato — Neurosurgeon Dr. Russell Blaylock has evidence that white potato, in humans, can acutally cause the same brain damage that excitotoxins (free glutamic/aspartic acid etc) cause.  AND those “people” that eat the most potatoes are the most aggressive and destructive people..  Yes, it is in people but……

    I do think I’ve read research on potato “lectins” and arthritis.  I’m positive of it…  I’ll see if I can find it.. 

    AND, of course, I COMPLETELY agree with you that NO binder is good for dogs :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    Oh my gosh!  I can only imagine!  Bella, my Cavalier’s ears are so high maintenance.  Sam also seems to love to grab a hold of them ~ he’ll get a mouthful of fur then her ears are a matted, drooly mess.  

  • Shawna

    No kisses after eating tripe would be an absolute rule if I lived with hounds :) …  YUCK!!!!!!  I’m LMAO with the visual though!!!

  • Hound Dog Mom

    If furry faced dogs are messy try having dogs with enormous ears – always hangs in their food. It’s especially nice after they eat tripe and have tripe all over their ears after lol

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Don’t worry, I don’t find your posts “uppity” :)

    What I took from the article (and other similar articles on the site, it’s not the only one) is that some companies appear to make their foods sound better with claims like “grain-free” or “white potato free” to try and fool consumers into thinking the foods don’t have starches when in fact the foods still contain starch and can sometimes be relatively high in starch even without the grains. Ultimately I’m sure the article is promoting their Epigen formula but I do agree with many of the statements made.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    I’ve heard about nighshades possible exasperating arthritic symptoms. I have yet to find any convincing evidence. From what I can gather, it sounds more like some individuals (or animals) maybe sensitive to potatoes and other nightshades while most are not. If a sensitivity exists, potatoes obviously should be avoided. I actually have come across a few studies seem to challenge the idea that nightshades contribute to arthritis(?). There was a study in the Journal of Nutrition showing that pigmented potatoes – purple, yellow – (I know not white potatoes but still a nightshade) reduced blood markers for inflammation. Another study in Public Health Nutrition I came across found individuals with the highest levels of lutein (from tomatoes) in their system had less incidence of OA. I personally don’t feel that feeding or not feeding a food with white potatoes would affect arthritis in most pets (or people), I think supplementing with or feeding foods with proteoglycans and glycosaminoglycans is the most effective way to slow the progression of arthritis. But I digress, I don’t like potatoes anyways. Basically what I’m trying to say is I don’t think any binders are “good” for a dog, I’m not advocating one over the other. I personally don’t feel any food is automatically superior to another because it does or does not contain white potato, I think meat content makes a food superior. I personally avoid all starches in my dogs’ diets and if I fed kibble I would probably rotate between foods with different binders to limit exposure to any one binder. :)

  • Shawna

    Sardines aren’t messy and eggs shouldn’t be.  I feed both in their dishes with their food.  I have furry faced dogs and they don’t get egg on their face :) .. hee hee hee  But I suppose some furry faced babies may be sloppy eaters.. 

    My dogs ARE messy with bones — all over their faces, paws etc…

  • Shawna

    No other reason then to keep the cost down..  Yes, pea protein is a way to cheaply increase the “guaranteed protein” amount.

    If you look at foods like Merrick Before Grain canned you can see this.  The ingredients are (ps looking at the ingredients, I wouldn’t use this food)
    “For beef: Beef, Beef Broth, Dried Egg, Yeast Extract, Calcium Carbonate, Sodium Phosphate, Potassium Chloride, Salt, Guar, Choline Chloride, Taurine, Carageenan, Mixed Tocopherols, Vitamin E Supplement, Zinc Amino Acid Complex, Iron Amino Acid Complex, Manganese Amino Acid Complex, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Copper Amino Acid Complex, d-Calcium Pantothenate,Vitamin A Acetate, Niacin, Lecithin, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement, Folic Acid, Ethylenediamine Dihydriodide, Cobalt Glucoheptanate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Biotin, Thiamine Mononitrate, Sodium Selenite.”

    Carageenan is added as a thickener.  Guar I think is too.

  • monkey

    Primitive Natural has potatoes, but Great Plains Feast is loaded with pea protein. Which can either be between 80-95% pure protein. I would pass on that one.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    That brings me to something I was wondering about Kasha ~ did you take the reps advice and pick up the Adult Advantage already or are you still feeding the Eukanuba like your vet suggested?  

    I was thinking that the Adult Advantage would be a stepping stone on your way up to the Primitive Natural.  

    I keep meaning to buy sardines.  That’s something that’s going on my list tonight.  Someone told that bones weren’t messy for my dogs.  They are.  Are sardines and raw eggs messy?  

  • Shawna

    HDM ~~ I find Wysong’s article amusing ;)

    Of course starch matters..  Certain ones cause malnutrition..  That malnutrition can develop for years before symptoms become apparent.  And you better hope you get an outside the box thinking vet (or doctor) to diagnose the true “cause” versus throw drugs at the symptoms…  I say this from experience.

    My experience was with dairy but soy, corn and gluten grains (wheat, barley, rye and contaminated oats) can cause the same malnutrition by killing the little hairs in the gut that absorb nutrients (villi).  I went 20+ years without a proper diagnosis.  I developed “pernicous anemia” in my early 20′s (b12 deficiency), I’ve been on the low side of iron my whole adult life (enough to develop the symptom pica but not enough to be prescribed iron supplements) and in early 30′s diagnosed with hypothyroid.  However taking iodine (no drugs) reversed the hypothyroid..  ALL of this without gut irritation, intolerance symptoms or any other indication (until almost 40 years of age) to indicate food was causing the issues… 

    I do however agree that substituting a 24% protein and grain diet with a 24% protein and potato diet is silly…  Protein IS the most important macronutrient but to say starch is unimportant makes me question Wysong..??  Course he’s the vet no me :) …  However, the high carb loving (although raw meat feeding) Pitcairn is a vet too..  :)

    Sorry if this comes off uppity or any other way that could be considered negative… Don’t mean it to. Just very passionate about it… :)

  • Shawna

    I kinda disagree with the potato thing especially in older dogs..  Older dogs are more likely to have arthritic issues and nightshade veggies, like potato, are counter indicated for arthritic patients…  Not only does nightshades exaccerbate but some data is out there that they may acutally cause arthritis — the lectins in nightshade plants.

    People push condroitin, glucosamine and pain meds while feeding a potato based diet???

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    Speaking of Earthborn and canned… I noticed that Earthborn somewhat recently introduced canned wet food.  

    Based on this conversation about binders, it’s my understanding that a binder’s primary function is to hold the kibble together, right?  

    So, why would binders be used in canned foods?  Is it just to act as a thickening agent?  I ask because Earthborn uses pea protein, potatoes, peas and tapioca in their wet product.  Why would that be the case?  Is the pea part of the equation just a less expensive way to increase the protein?

  • Shawna

    Kasha ~~ “Liver failure” — that’ll get your attention!!!

    By the way, my puppy (the one pictured to the left) was born with kidney disease — symptoms noticed as early as 6 weeks old.  Dogs with kidney disease and liver disease still need good amounts of protein.  The protein just needs to be suitable for their condition.  Example, dogs with kd need lower amounts of phosphorus so egg whites are okay but the yolk should be limited.  Meats higher in fat have less phos etc.  Animals with liver issues should create less ammonia (which the liver has to convert to urea).  Whitefish is a good food..  Both organs however NEED the amino acids in protein to remain healthy.  The worse the issue the lower the protein needs to be — but only to help with the symptoms not to help the organ.  My pup is 6 and 1/2 years old and has been on high protein raw (45 to 54%) since weaing and is still in excellent health.

    All that said, if you want to transition her to better foods without “shocking her system” you can increase the quality of the food with time.  First transition to a food that is a bit better then Eukanuba.  Then a food a bit better then that and so on.  By adding a high quality canned food to all of the foods you can increase her nutritional level while transitioning slowly to a better kibble.  Canned sardines (canned in water not oil) are GREAT too.  They add protein and are a good source of omega 3 fatty acids.  You can also add an egg once or twice a week.  If she has a weight issue then add the white without the yolk (NOTE — when feeding the white only, it should always be lightly cooked.  When feeding both white AND yolk it can be fed raw..  If you feed both but prefer cooking, only cook the white.  Cooking the yolk damages the omega fats in the yolk.).

    Let us know how things go!!!!! :)

  • Shawna

    Yeah Betsy, I like Earthborn Primitive Natural..  Not quite as happy with the Great Plains (and others) — Pea protein high in the ingredient list.  As an only source of food I’m not fond of canola oil (in rotation with foods that are canola free I am okay with it).  But I like it better then Adult Vantage :)

    I use Earthborn in my rotation.  However, I add a canned and raw topper :O)…

    I think any food (with good ingredients) in the 32 to 38% range is good for healthy seniors IF a high protien, balanced topper is used.  IF only one food is used I would prefer the food have no vegetable protein concentrates in the food as these simply aren’t used as readily by the body and may equate to less usable protein.  Kinda defeats the purpose of higher protein in my opinion.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    This article from Wysong explains my viewpoint further – protein is most important, not the binder. :)

    http://www.wysong.net/pet-health-and-nutrition/88.php?view

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Betsy –

    If it was me I’d go with the Primitive Natural due to the higher protein content. In my opinion the most important thing to consider is protein content and if the dog isn’t showing any issues with white potato I don’t think there’s any reason to avoid it – the alternatives (legumes and tapioca aren’t much better nutritionally for dogs). No binder whether it’s grain, potato, tapioca, or legume is species appropriate, so I think it makes the most sense to pick the food with highest protein content and (hopefully) the most meat and least amount of the binder. I never had a dog that had issues with white potato so I didn’t care whether it was in the food or not as long as the food was high protein. I think the idea of “white potato free” is more hype than anything. Just like recently there was all the hype around “grain-free” – when half of the grain free foods out there contain less protein than grain-inclusive foods. Well it’s the same with white potato versus white potato free – two of my favorite kibbles were white potato free (Instinct and Great Life) but they were also high protein, my other favorite (Orijen) contains white potato. I see many foods out now advertising to be white potato free/grain-free like it’s some big deal and they only have about 20% protein. I’d take a high protein food with potatoes over pea and lentil salad any day. Just my opinion.

    But as far as Kasha feeding Earthborn – I’d rotate for variety. :)

  • Kasha

    Thank you very much for the information.  I was told about the low protine for older dog thing.  They actually told me that’s why she was in liver failure, but after getting a second opinion found out she wasn’t.  Why did I listen to him about the food when he was so wrong about the liver?  I think I might stick with this bag and maybe do one more and then move her over to the high protine.  I just don’t want to shock her poor system.  Also, looks like I’m stopping at the store for some pumpkin and higher protine canned!  :)

    Thank you again :)  You guys are great

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    I’m a fan of Earthborn.  : )  

    Shawna, what do you and HDM think of Primitive Natural for Kasha?  The protein is good at 38% and fat at 20%, but it does contain potato.  Great Plains feast is grain free and potato free and the protein is just a bit lower than Primitive Natural at 34% and fat at 18%.

    Nutrisource is around the same price point as Earthborn.  Their grain free food is also potato free and it looks like the lamb and chicken varieties are about 28% protein and 18% fat.  Bison and seafood are both about 25% protein.

  • Shawna

    Kasha ~~ I like HDMs answer :)

    I agree that getting off the grains could help..  Grains actually can “strain the digestive tract”.  Think about how bad wheat is for people who have a “gluten intolerance”.  Not to say that they are causing a problem for your dog but they certainly can!!  I REFUSE to use grain in ANY of the foods I feed.  I have 8 dogs and I foster — have had over 30 dogs come thorugh my house in the past (7ish years).  Some of them are old and been poorly treated and fed (puppy mill breed dogs). 

    After eating Iams and Eukanuba it is likely (in my opinion) that you are going to see symptoms from switching.  However symptoms don’t always equate bad.  I see it often with my fosters — they will have diarrhea for a week or two on a better quality food (some longer).  Eventually (with the help of probiotics and pumpkin) the diarrhea stops and you can tell they are healthier.  They stop shedding as much, coat gets softer/shinier, eyes stop weeping, more energy but yet calmer etc…

    The other thing — senior dogs, they now know, actually need MORE protein then adult dogs.  So be careful with “senior” food recommendations or adult foods suggested for seniors..  Earthborn Holistic Adult has way too little protein for a senior dog — they need as much as 50% more protein then adults..  If you decide to go with this food (or one like it), please consider adding a high protein canned topper.. :)

    If interested, here is info from two nutritionists and a vet talking about seniors needing more protein..

    This first article was written for Whole Dog Journal.  http://dogaware.com/articles/wdjseniordiets.html

    http://www.b-naturals.com/newsletter/senior-dogs-and-special-needs/

    http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2011/05/05/surprising-findings-from-tufts-study-of-37-senior-dog-foods.aspx

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Hi Kasha, welcome to DFA :)

    If you check out the reviews for Eukanuba you’ll see it’s a pretty low quality foods (it’s also made by the same company that makes Iams – Proctor and Gamble). It contains by-products and corn – two things that should be avoided when choosing a dog food.

    Earthborn is a MUCH better for than Eukanuba, it’s pretty budget friendly as well in comparison to other foods of equal quality. Generally, most vets don’t know a whole lot about nutrition and make very poor food recommendations – I would never take food advice from my vet. I personally would go with the grain-free. Grains are not species appropriate foods for carnivores. Dogs have no nutritional requirement for grains and don’t naturally produce the enzymes necessary to break down starches and plant matter. For that reason, grain free foods are actually easier for a dog to digest. However, if you’ve been feeding a carb-heavy, grain-inclusive food for a long time it could take some time for the dog to adjust to a more species appropriate food (meaning, expect some loose stools initially). Transition slowly and also consider mixing in a big of plain canned pumpkin and supplementing with probiotics and digestive enzymes – this can help ease the transition.

    How much you feed will really depend on your individual dog, how active he is, how old he is, is he neutered, etc. I would recommend just starting with the suggestion for his weight on the bag and adjust from there.

    Hope that helps, good luck!

  • Kasha

    Hi there, I’m new to this website but want to say thank you
    to Mike for doing all the hard work so people like me can have a place to go
    to.

    So here is what’s going on. 
    I have a 12 year old 40lb lab mix. 
    I started her out on Iams, and then with the whole melamine scare a few
    years back, switched her to chicken soup for the dog lover’s soul.  Found out it’s made by Diamond and not so
    good.  Mold and what not can form on the
    food and can’t be seen and can kill a dog. 
    Actually, last year she had elevated liver counts and they said it was
    due to the food (chicken soup).  After
    several tests and repeatedly being placed on that RC crud (which she won’t
    touch) that’s when they said do the Eukanuba Sr Maintenance. 

    I’m just not 100% sold on it.  She still has really bad gas (can clear a
    room) and still has dandruff problems (Oh and she still poops 3 times a day,
    and I don’t feed her a ton).  I’m
    thinking I’m still not feeding her the right food.  I just was at my local pet store and there
    was a rep there for Earthborn and she recommended the Holistic Adult
    Vantage.  She didn’t recommend doing the grain
    free because it could strain my dogs digestive track.  My vet basically told me not to switch Kasha,
    but IMO it appears to have better ingredients than Eukanuba. 

    So now I’m just torn. 
    Any help would be appreciated.  I
    love my dog so much and after her getting sick on the nutro treats, I’m just
    worried about making her sick again.  
    Sorry about the long post.  Oh and how much would you feed?

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    http://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/what-is-aafco/

    there’s some feeding trial info in here.

  • Pattyvaughn

    I don’t like Hills or Iams and personally would not feed them to my dogs, however I find it to be silly that we should object to a dog food company feeding dog food to dogs. That is what they are testing. They feed generations of dogs their food. This is known as feed trials. And it’s supposed to be a good thing. You should wish your dog food company did this, otherwise they are experimenting on your dog right now.

  • Merichmar27

     I have just found out that Hills Science and Iams test on animals and have stopped buying these products. I would like to know whether Earthborn test on animals?

    Thank you

  • krisquan

    Hi! What brand do you feed your dogs? I had the same problem and my dog hates K/D formulas from Science Diet and the Vet said i have to feed him low protein foods. How much is low protein???

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    My senior girl has been doing well with vit C supplements for pH and d-mannose to  maintain urinary tract health since we adopted her 2 yrs ago.

  • Foodnatic

    Any food with high protein, magnesium and phosphorus can cause a basic pH which can cause a UTI with or withour struvites.  My dog was also on SO but according to Royal Canin you can’t mix the wet and dry because they don’t get the right levels.  .  12lb super active terrier needs alot of calories. :P She would have had to eat 1-1/2cups a day a day not possible.  My dog, Paisley is now on Science Diet c/d.  she is doing better on it.  Good urinalysis and no crystals.  It only took 2 months to get it all figured out. 

    My vet told me after a few months on c/d I can try a diet that meets her needs and then just test her urine monthly at home with pH strips. 4.5-6.5 is good.  If it’s bad I’m suppose to bring her back im for testing. 

    Right now the after searching through tons on websites.  Natura is one of the few companies that is made in the USA, ingredients are from the US and they don’t share their plant. They also always list their true percentages for all ingredients. I am currently thinking I’m gonna go with Innova Low fat or Karma.  They don’t get great reviews from Dog food advisor because they are low protein but thats their only complain.  I’m gonna do whatever it takes to make her feel better.

    Here are links to Natura products
    Low fat Adult dry  http://www.naturapet.com/products/891
    Karma
     http://www.naturapet.com/products/1681
    and a great article in whole dog journal
    the pictures of the crystals aren’t accurate though
    http://www.whole-dog-journal.com/issues/13_4/features/Detecting-Urinary-Stones-Dogs_16215-1.html

    I hope this helps

  • Diane

    I’m alittle confused but are you saying that the Earthborn Dog Food caused the struvite crystals in your dog?  My 6 year old female  beagle came down with an infection and struvite crystals and she was eating Earthborn Adult Vantage.  My 9 year old female beagle is doing fine eating the Earthborn.

    My vet put Louise, my beagle, on Royal Canin Urinary SO dog food for a month to see if the crystals go away.  I’m looking for another dog food because I don’t want her to eat the RC for the rest of her life.  A x-ray showed that Louise has no stones.

  • Foodnatic

    After the recall I put my 12lb dog on the dry small breed formula.  Within 2 weeks of being on it she was no longer housebroken, miserable and didn’t want to eat it. 
     I took her to the vet and she was diagnosed with a horrible Urinary Tract infection with Struvite Crystals and her urine pH was a 7 and it was a bit concetrated.  After a couple of days of antibiotics she stared eating the food again.  Once she finished the round of antibiotic it all started again.  My dog had to wear diapers for weeks and I had to shampoo the carpet repeativily. 
    My vet retested her again and it was even worse a pH of 8.5 and a concentration that was so high it was unreadable. My vet told me that these crystals are formed from foods that are high in magnesium. So when they are processing their meats they will sometimes include the bones which can be a good thing but as with all things too much can be bad.  
    My dog started a stronger antibiotic and a new diet.  Her UTI is now gone but they said it will take time before the concentration lowers. Buying to supposed four star food that cost me $21 for the bag has now cost me over $400 in medical bills and diet. 
    So buyer beware. 
    I would like to say I put my 12lb dog on this food cause my last dog which was a 50lb pit bull did great on the Ocean fusion.  My pit had horrible food allergies and food suited her diet needs.   

  • Cheri Boncher

    I would like to know how the Earthborn ‘Grain Free’ line does compared to their natural line.  Sorting out dog foods makes my head spin…. 

  • hounddogmom12

    Try topping with a high quality canned food (look into Tripett, not many dogs will turn their noses up to green tripe) or fresh raw or lightly cooked meat. Or you can just try foods until you find one your dogs like, naturalk9supplies.com sells many high quality brands in small 1 lb. sample bags, so you could order several and see which your dogs like.

  • Abby

    I got the small breed formula and my dogs do not like it..i have already tried all of the taste of the wild flavors and they didnt like those either….any suggestions?

  • Addie

    Wow, that’s a fast sell out!! I was figuring it’d gain popularity since it’s in the same price range as TOTW, but from a company with a much better track record. 

  • melissa

     Addie-

    I can tell you, Earthborn has just started being carried by a local store of ours, and it was nearly sold out the day after it arrived. I suspect many are jumping the Diamond shipand moving on. Afterall, its a great quality food,. reasonable price, and the huge bonus..not a Diamond product. Three out three isn’t bad!

  • melissa

    Cewer47-

    Please post the link you are referring to .I have heard of no such recall involving Earthborn, and they are NOT made by Diamond.

  • LabsRawesome

     Cewer47, THERE IS NO EARTHBORN RECALL. Earthborn is NOT made by Diamond. It is made by Midwestern Pet.

  • Cewer47

    Thank you for all of the responses with the exception of the posting incorrect information! I am an Earthborn fan using both wet and dry. The recall scared me into taking some action for the sake of other dogs. As soon as I get back to my main computer I will look for the recall link. Until then: “don’t shoot the messenger!”

  • Addie

    Sooo wrong. But the recalls sure have made this site pretty hectic, so nothing really surprises me at this point.  

  • LabsRawesome

    Hey Addie, I know right? If someone is posting incorrect information on purpose, that is so wrong.  :(

  • Addie

    I’m not sure if Btown is just trying to scare Earthborn customers, since a lot of Diamond customers are switching over to them. Earthborn has nothing to do with Diamond at all. Their company has been around since 1926, and has never had a recall. 

  • LabsRawesome

     Hi Btown, I’m pretty sure Earthborn is manufactured by Midwestern Pet, not Diamond.

  • LabsRawesome

    Hi Btown, this is from Diamond’s recall page. I do not see Earthborn Listed here. Can you please leave a link to where you saw this info? http://diamondpetrecall.com/

  • Btown

    Hmmm the Diamond plant recall named Earthborn and Indiana. Guess you missed it. I have contacted the Indiana plant with the same information posted.

  • LabsRawesome

     Hi Btown, Earthborn is not part of any recent recall. The one Diamond plant has some foods on recall right now. If you would like to receive free recall alerts by email, from the dog food advisor, Please go here- http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-recall-alerts/

  • Btown

    I found it very unfortunate that a friend had to email me about the recall of Earthborn, including Indiana instead of being notified by the manufacturer! We purchase this expensive dog food for the health of our dogs not to be confused with contaminated dog food! The question now is: should we continue buying and take further risks!

  • Lisabart31

    Thank you. I was hoping it was. :)

  • Jan_Mom2Cavs

    Ocean Fusion is a smaller kibble.  It is definitely smaller than most Wellness kibble.  My 15 lb. Cavalier can handle the size very well.  

  • Lisabart31

    Does anyone know if the Ocean Fusion is small kibble? For one of my Beagles (she is tiny), I am using the Wellness whitefish and potato. The kibble I think is more on the bigger side. Has anyone used both these foods and had better results with one over the other? Thank you. 

  • Jan_Mom2Cavs

    I agree with Labs, but want to add Earthborn has some grainfree foods that are considered all-life-stage foods.  I think Avoderm and Canidae are both decent foods.  Avoderm has come out with a new “Revolving Menu” that are grainfree, but I’m not sure if they’re ALS.

  • LabsRawesome

     Hi MitzyLover, Earthborn puppy should be ALS. Candidae has an ALS food too. http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-reviews/canidae-dog-food-dry/                                         The best food for your dog is the one that is readily available, you can afford, and your dog likes and does well on. Whichever one you choose, I would throw in some canned dog food, and fresh meat and eggs.

  • MitzyLover

    does earthborn have an all life stages food? if not, what is the best all life stages dog food between avoderm or canadai (spelling?)? or is there a better one out there?

  • AJHJ147g

    I have been using the Earthborn coastal catch and the EB great plains for the last 8 or so months for my chihuahua. He loves the food and is not having any problems other then weight gain. I would like to know if anyone could help me , is this considered a high calorie food. I do give him in addition to the EB cooked chicken but my vet said that its too much so have been trying to cut down on portion size but its difficult because he always seem hungry. Anyone else having a similar issue and or know anything about EB dog food, id love to hear from you. Thank you

  • Randele

    I have a 5 mth old mid-content wolf dog and started using Earthborn right after I got rid of Beneful(absolutely awful). My dog is doing absolutely great with this as she loves the puppy food. and She is very healthy, playful, and energetic. Just for an experiment I bought a small bag of Beneful and she would not go near it. She loves this food and I will not change it. Thankyou to the woman who was selling sample bags at the store I bought it in. Also Lakota’s weight, coat, and skin are looking great. Thank you again!

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Cheryl… Haven’t reviewed Dr. G’s yet. But it’s already on my To Do list. Unfortunately, due to my current backlog of products for review, it could be a while longer before I get to it. Thanks for the reminder.

  • Cheryl

    Mike,
    Have you heard of a dog food called Dr Gary’s Best Breed I saw it at my pet store today and the clerk said I could check out their website best breed.com And if you have what can of rating would give it I didn’t see it listed in the rating. Thanks Cheryl

  • Mary

    I have been using the costal catch but my dog has recently started to have loos stools and having an urgency to go poop I have been giving her the food about month and half piror to this food I had her on wellness sweet potatoe and salam and white fish as my dog as allergy’s towards beef lamb chicken the white fish and salam agrees with her system. I feel I have to take her off of this food. her breed is a border collie mix with australin sheperad…her weight is under 40 lbs around 35lbs… could there be too much proten I take her on walks but I work all day and have been attending school at night so she isn’t as active during the week but the weekend I take her on long walks… Just wondering what to do…Thank you..
    I also go home at lunch and take her out for a short walk and in the morning befor work as well and at night when I get home.

  • Sara

    @ Sapphire: The kibble for Small Breed, Primitive, Coastal Catch and Ocean fusion are all pretty much the same size. We sell and have used all of them where I work (daycare/boarding). The small breed is slightly smaller but not by much. I have 3 chihuahuas, Primitive seems to be the hands down favorite for my dogs, followed by the Coastal Catch. I mix the two. – if that helps at all.

  • Ringo’s mom

    Pam-

    I just purchased 4 bags of the Puppy Vantage from my local TJMaxx in Norfolk, VA ($7/bag!) and have the same concerns. I read above about there being a grace period, but how does one know if their bag is one with improved ingredients but old ingredient listings? Much thanks to anyone who can help! We just got our 8 week old Aussie 2 days ago & want to give him the best start that we can give him!!

  • Carrie

    My lab did not do well on puppy (too fatty) and lamb/rice adult and puppy foods – soft runny stools. I searched the aisles of dog food and found this chicken/oatmeal based food -we could see the improvement as we switched his food over and he seems to like it more than the lamb/rice.

  • pam

    The EarthBorn Small Breed was bought at TJMAX in Grand Forks North Dakota, the expiration date was Oct 2012, so just because this bag states the Synthetic k is in it, does it mean it is not? or do they have the year to change the bag?

  • Happy

    I thought I’d take the time to congratulate Earth Born Ocean Fusion. After years, I’ve finally found the perfect dog food for Happy. Blue was excellent but gave him digestive problems.
    Eagle Brand Holistic Anchioves, sardines, etc. was ultimately good but really put too much weight on him and I didn’t give him more than 3/4 cup 2x daily. A 70 lb lab mix.
    This food he will continue on always healthifully. I will remember this brand of food for my future puppies. Thanks.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Crisitna… Unfortunately, due to the biological uniqueness of each pet, I cannot provide customized product comparisons for each reader. For more help, please check out my reviews and visit our FAQ page. Look for the topic, “Help Me Choose a Dog Food”. Or check back for a possible response from one of our other readers.

  • boris

    why you fraid of garlic cristina? garlic good good. garlic good for you and good for dog. garlic have many vitamin and antioxidant and antibiotic. only onion bad for dog. garlic in little bit is very good for you me and dog. garlic in dog foog cooked with evrthing else so no smell or bad breath and working less than raw garlic. now worry ok cristina

  • Cristina

    My 6 months old Maltipoo eats PROPAC Puppy Performance, but i guess he hate it… i’ve tried other foods but he only eats PROPAC if i mixed it with rice and chicken… do you recommend me Earthborn Holistic Puppy Vantage? I’m afraid of the garlic and taurine.
    Please help me!

  • http://www.whosyourvet.com Sandi

    Pam, thanks for posting “they have a grace peroid of 1 year to change the bag, so in a year the bag will reflect this change, then he said “it will be taken out as the bag changes ,again does not make sense maybe they should put something about this on the bag to let us know….but what i got from him was yes it is in the food yet”

    I thought all pet food companies had 6 months to change the label. They can change the formula and let’s say remove lamb, replace it with chicken, but we’d never know because their label doesn’t reflect the change and still says lamb. Guess we’ll know soon enough if your dog is allergic to chicken :)

    Jonathan – what is the name/location of your store?

  • Sapphire

    What’s the size of the kibble in the small breed, primitive natural and the fish formulas?

    I was surprised to see this food in a pet store in my country Honduras, but the price its $25 for a 6 pound bag for the small breed food. :(

    Sadly my toy poodle its very picky so its a hard to decide.

  • pam

    thank you for clearing this up, feel better that i can now buy and feel good that i can give to my dog without worry, again thanks

  • Jonathan

    EB stopped using synthetic K about a year ago. I sell tons of the stuff, and none of the bags on my shelf say the ingredient was used. What the guy was trying to articulate to you (and didn’t do a very good job!) is that even though they changed the recipe, they still want to use up the bags that have already been printed. They do not put synthetic K in any of their currently produced products. So fear not! It’s a great product. :-)

  • pam

    well interesting, called the company and talked to person in charge Jeff, he stated even if the bag stated it is in there, its not but treat it as it is? confusing,,,they have a grace peroid of 1 year to change the bag, so in a year the bag will reflect this change, then he said “it will be taken out as the bag changes ,again does not make sense maybe they should put something about this on the bag to let us know….but what i got from him was yes it is in the food yet……..

  • pam

    wow i just went and bought a bag checked the date and it expires in Oct of 2012, so took it back wonder is earthborn putting it back in food?

  • Jonathan

    It does not, Pam. If your bag has that ingredient, then it is an old bag.

  • pam

    why is earthborn small breed dog food ranked a 4 star when it contains Menadium Sodium Bisulfate in it?

  • Anna

    Iams gives lots of dogs problems. Just a speck better than Science Diet, it hardly does anything

  • Anna

    Earthborn Holistic Small Breed has them smaller than a Rice Krispie

  • Meagan

    Thank you Mike I appreciate that. I know it was the right thing to do for the both of us.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Meagan… I’m so sorry to hear about Bolt. You certainly gave him a wondeful opportunity for life he probably never would have had without you. When I lost Penny back in 2007, Patti and I grieved for months. I still can’t even go back in to the restaurant where we had made the final and difficult decision to euthanize her.

    Ask any pet parent and we all disagree on most everything about dog care. Food. What’s better. A big dog. Or a small one. Whether to adopt a shelter dog… or buy from a breeder.

    Yet on one thing, we can all agree. Losing a dog (no matter what the reason) is the single most difficult part of owning one. Thanks for sharing your story.

  • Meagan

    Omg Melissa that is exactly how I feel on everything you said thank your for understanding. I was able to give him another year of a great life and he was able to be happy until the end. Jonathan- Wes said the same thing, to many good dogs out there

  • Meagan

    Sorry, I just wanted you all to know why it happened because I talk so much about my handsome boy.I have asked my friend that works at a shelter to be watching out for one for us. I’ve been looking online too at other shelters around our area.

  • melissa

    Meagan-

    Do not worry about what others might think or say thay may be negative. Noone can understand unless they have attempted to save an aggressive dog and failed. No matter how “rotten” they are, you strive to correct the issue and can not. Realizing the dog is a danger is the realistic conclusion, having to euthanise is just as emotional as if the dog were the “best perfect buddy ever”. I found that the sadness was interlaced with guilty feelings-second guessing if there was something I could have/should have done differently…and then guilt of feeling relieved that I no longer had to live “on guard” w/out the stress of the situation..And once I acknowledged and realized that I had done everything in my power to help the animal, done more than anyone else had been willing to do, I realized that the time spent with us was the best time/life the dog had and was able to move on .

    Congrats on the upcoming new puppy and do not fixate on the circumstances of how he/she entered your life, but enjoy what this new relationship has to offer : )

  • Jonathan

    Jebus, Meagan, you coulda just said “lab”. lol!

    No, but seriously, you were right to put him down. There are too many good dogs with no behavioral problems that get put down in shelters every day. If a dog can’t be rehabilitated, any one of the nice dogs being euthanized every day in the shelters could be saved instead of wasting a home on a potentially dangerous animal. Did you and Wes consider adopting a puppy?

  • Meagan

    Jonathan- I know as you just read under the “extreme dog fuel” that you saw Bolt is no longer with me. I guess I feel I want to explain why because I don’t know what ppl think when they see we are getting a pup already. (lab) I will try to make this short. When I first met Bolt it was at my Veterinary College that is where I adopted him from. I took him home with me for winter break, because our professor wanted him to stay another semester at school and get a little more training. Very smart dog he was. So when we got back after winter break he had a new classmate training him that was in the grooming program, whereas I was in vet assistant. This girl was going to adopt him; she took him home for the weekend just to see how he’d get along with her family and dogs. This lady brings him back Saturday night before the weekend was over and said that Bolt had tried to pretty much tear he husband apart. The vet and my professor scheduled a day to put him to sleep. I didn’t believe what this lady had said, because obviously I had him back home with me at my parents for 2-3 weeks and never saw any aggression. So its like how could he, after one night, want to attack this husband? Unless provoked?? I adopted Bolt knowing there may be risks. Could not bear the thought of him being PTS. I had Bolt a year on March 3, 2011. There had been times he was aggressive throughout this year. For instance in the car or when he my boyfriend would make quick moves towards me and he saw it as threating. He never bit anyone other than Wes (Bf) one time on the hand in the car, didn’t draw blood or even leave a mark for that matter. We have no idea why he had done that as wes had just been petting him and as he was pulling his hands away and turned back to the front is when Bolt did it. Monday night the 16 we drove the 3 hour long drive to my parent’s house. Before we left Bolt would not let Wes in the car. I had to muzzle him after about 5 minutes of driving he calmed down and I took it off. So that ride home was when I decided Bolt would not get better. I have had him in training and on meds. I could not let him possibly hurt someone in the future it may have come to putting him down anyways. We get home that night I tell my family they cry and tell me I can’t put him down to give him more time. My 16 year old sister is sitting on the floor petting him for a good 5 minutes. I glance over from the tv and see his lips pulled back. It was to late he went right at her. I jumped up and grabbed his collar; he still wanted to get her. I have no idea why it happened, she was not threating in any way. and he loved her about as much as me. I took him the next morning to the vet. It was the hardest thing I have ever done. I stayed with my baby boy the whole time. I have had him cremated and received his ashes. He was only going to be 3 in Sept. :( I don’t know how long it takes the sadness to go away. I can’t wait to think of him and not cry. Sorry for the long post. Wes is going to get a lab puppy to train for duck retrieving. He says he needs to get one now so it will be trained by this fall for season. I’m just glad I have my little Patch to still hold. I love you Bolt always.

  • Jonathan

    What kind of puppy are you getting Meagan?

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Meagan… Oops. I use to include the EB Primitive Natural product in this review, too. However, when I removed it from this report, I failed to delete the line that mentioned its all life stages feature.

    Since none of these recipes is suggested for all life stages by the company, I’ve now corrected this review to reflect that information. Thanks for the tip.

  • Meagan

    Thank you Sue. We are getting a puppy soon and I would like to feed both dogs the same but if we don’t thats ok to.

  • Sue

    Megan,

    All of the grain free formulas are for all life stages. They also contain DHA for brain development and health just like human baby formulas.

  • Meagan

    Mike-Which formula is for all life stages? They do not state this well on their website, unless I am missing it.
    Thanks

  • Jonathan

    Mona, go with the Plains. It is an “all life stage” food, so it has the same nutrients required in the puppy food.

  • Mona

    Hi there. I am currently feeding my mix boxer EB Great Plains and my dog has started waking me up to feed him in the morning. He loves it. I am getting a new puppy rottweiler and I am torn between getting her EB puppy or continuing her on the same EB Great Plains. Is the puppy food better for her and safer or should I use the EB Great Plains as I am not a big fan of grains.

  • Bob

    Just switched to Earthborn Primitive for our dog. He would not really eat the NUTRO “Large Breed” dry just bits and pieces here and there all day. Now he finishes the entire bowl plus due to the high protien count for his size it is only 3 cups per day. Has anyone else tried this brand for their dog?

  • Meagan

    Katie- Just click on the five star dry foods and the EB great plains and coastal catch are right next to primative natural.

  • Katie

    Will you be reviewing the two new grain free flavors for Earthborn Holistic? “Great Plains Feast” and “Coastal Catch”

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Suzi… I’m not a big fan of free feeding any dog food. Overfeeding is always possible (especially with higher calorie richer recipes). And (like with humans) overfeeding is steadily becoming one of the leading causes of chronic health problems in dogs. Obesity. Diabetes. Skeletal dysplasias (large breed puppies). The list is rather long.

  • Suzi

    I have 4 pomeranians. 2 are rescues and they are various ages from 8 yrs to 2yrs. I have been feeding EB small breed for close to a year. It suits all of them, but none have any health issues. The oldest was heavy and now he is very fit. The biggest improvement is coat. They all have beautiful coats now, very full heavy healthy coats. I love this food, was thinking of trying the Primitive Natural, but as I have read it is alot more calories per cup and as I free feed I am not sure this would be a good idea. Does anyone free feed Primitive Natural?

  • Christina Tower

    I adopted a six-year-old Bullmastiff male a few months ago. He is a super picky eater and would not eat any of the dog foods I tried, for more than a few days. One of the employees at my local pet feed store recommended Earthborn Holistic Ocean Fusion and my boy, Dozer, loves it! When I got him he was about 15-20 lbs. under weight and now he is looking so handsome and fit. I have switched all of my dogs to Earthborn Ocean Fusion, even my other fussy eater, Abby, a 1.5 year old Bullmastiff, likes the food. I still have my six-month-old show Bullmastiff on Wellness Large Breed Puppy, but when she is a bit older, I am considering switching her to the Earthborn Primitive. I will have to do more reading to see how it stacks up against Wellness Large Breed.

  • Heather

    Thanks ed for the feedback, he’s been on the food just over a month and we’ve been feeding him a bit less than the guidelines on the bag.

  • ed

    Puppy’s don’t digest as efficiently as older dogs. How long has he been on it? You might try cutting it back a little. Just a 5% reduction can make a big difference.

    Most people overfeed puppies so I would bet that is your problem.

  • Heather

    We started our new puppy on the Earthborn Puppy Vantage, he seems to like it although I am sure he’d eat anything at this age… But I noticed he has the the stinkiest gas I have encountered for a dog, and we have 3 other dogs. Is that something other’s have experienced with this food? Thanks!

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Shivanandpersad… Unfortunately, that is the same problem many of our readers face even within the US. Dog food brands aren’t universally distributed to all retail locations across North America. You just have to find another brand.

  • shivanandpersad

    Raja my mixedbreed loves the puppy food.he will not eat any other brand of dogfood.what do i do if i cannot find earthborn in my country

  • Lisa

    I swithched my mini dachshunds from iams to earthborn hollistic small breed and am very happy with the results and they love it..My male had alot of skin problems and i found out it was the iams causing him problems. I tried the EB small breed and he has been on it now for 6 months and No skin problems at all…Both are in great health and love the food. I only wish it was at a store nearby.

  • Roger Prows

    Per my rep for this food. It is recommended to mix for AT LEAST 2-3 weeks when trasitioning due to the rich nature of this food, or digestive upset is a strong possiblility.

    Hope that helps Amy

  • Sonia

    Just bought the earthborn small breed formula and my extremely finicky toy poodle loves it. FINALLY, a dog food she will eat!

  • Jonathan

    Amy, what was he eating before he got sick?

  • Amy

    We are in the process of transitioning our 14wk old lab to Earthborn Puppy Vantage and his stools are very loose and frequent! He also has a lot of gas! He had an intestinal bug so he was on a bland diet and his stools were much better. Since on the Earthborn his stools have softened – so we mixing rice w/the Earthborn. Wondering if the Earthborn is too rich and he should be getting less?

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Mike… According to the footnotes in my review written last April, this product is ethoxyquin free.

  • Mike McGlinn

    I too just changed from Merrick to Earthborn for my American Bulldog…still looking for something for my Shitzu (may try the small breed).
    I have been using the Ocean Fusion & I am wondering if the fish is ethoxyquin free?

  • Frank Pagano

    I just change to Earthborn and my American bulldog loves the new food

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Helene… Unfortunately, I cannot provide customized reviews and product comparisons for each reader. For more help, please check out my reviews and visit our FAQ page. Look for the topic, “Help Me Choose a Dog Food”. Or check back for a possible response from one of our other readers.

  • Helene

    I just switched my llaso opso to Earthborn Holistic grain free.
    What are the benefits over Blue Holistic that I had him on before this Earthborn grain free?

    thank you

  • Patricia

    I did transition her to the Primitive. I also only fed her 6 oz. of the food, but it still had her really tight and hard. The reason I’m trying to get rid of it is because I bought a large bag and she does eat it with the rice. Her stool is much better. If her stool had not gotten better, I would not have continued to give it to her. I am goin to transition her back to Ocean Fusion soon.

  • Melissa

    Antonio-

    If I recall correctly, your the gentleman with the dobie with the sensitive stomach? If so, I would use extreme caution in rotating foods. WHile the quality etc may be the same or better, dogs with IBD, Colitis or anything of the sort are extremelly sensitive and rotation may not be the best option. If the propac is working, I personally would stick with it to avoid stressing his already delicate digestive system.

  • Antonio

    Yah I been thinking about the EB brands and the Fish is probably a good mix of occasional protein, heck it only costs like $43 a bag here so that aint bad at all.

  • Jonathan

    Then by all means, stay with Pro Pac. You can switch between the two different proteins (chicken and Lamb)… and every so often, when money allows, throw in a bag of EB Ocean Fusion as a third protein.

  • Antonio

    That’s actually a bit cheaper than what it costs here. But I’d made a vow to myself that I’m probably not going to spend more than $2 per lb on dry food anymore, considering chicken leg quarters and thighs cost less per lb at most stores. I’ll put him on a bland boiled/baked chicken and rice diet at that point if nothing below that cost works out again LOL. But so far Pro pac is meeting/exceeding all expectations.

  • Jonathan

    At my store, Core Original is 56.99 for the 26lb bag.

  • Antonio

    I haven’t tried Wellness Core, I think I tried their super mix or something to that affect a couple years back w/ my pug but he didnt’ care for it. I think Petco is the only store in my area that carries Wellness Core and Petco prices are highly inflated in my area, not sure what their prices are like in your area, but here they have about a 20% market up on most products that I can find at the local pet supply stores.

  • Jonathan

    They are quite small bits, actually. That could, quite honestly, play a small roll in it’s very high cal/cup number… with less negative space between kibbles, there is more actual food in the measuring cup. Know what I mean?

    So if big bites are what your dog needs, this food may not work…

    I just got a bag of Wellness Core for my Sadie today… the pieces are pretty good sized. Have you tried that yet? My girl loved it.

  • Antonio

    Jonathan,

    What size is the kibble in the Earthborn Products? Do they offer the large chunk size kibble like Pro Pac Adult Chunk offer? Or are they the smaller bite size chunk style kibbles?

  • Jonathan

    It’s made by Pro Pac, too. Don’t forget, it is low fiber and high fat… feed a lot less of it that normal. If that doesn’t work, Pro Pac is still a nice grain based food.

  • Antonio

    I been thinking about trying the Primitive Natural as it’ll probably be my last go round at trying grain free w/ my Doberman. If it works I’ll keep with it since it’s $43 a bag, if it doesn’t I’ll just stick w/ the Pro Pac for now.

  • Jonathan

    Patricia, did you transition from the Ocean to the Primitive? They are two extremely different foods. Mixing them slowly for two weeks would probably be required. Plus, regular EB has around 400-450 cal/cup where as Primitive has 720 cal/cup and is much higher in protein and fat yet lower in fiber. That means you should be feeding your dog about a third or so less of Primitive.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Patricia… Rice is one of the most common ingredients in many dog food brands. It is perfectly OK to feed a dog reasonable amount of rice. However, since each animal responds to a customized food mixture or diet plan in its own way, it would be impossible for me or anyone to assure you feeding these foods would provide you with the results you’re looking for. In any case, why wait for this problematic bag to run out before switching to another product?

  • Patricia

    I bought the earthborn primitive for my dog (cockapoo) and it had her bowels very hard and she stopped eating it. I started putting rice with it, so she would eat it. Then I read on the internet that rice is starch and dogs shouldn’t eat it everyday. I only mix a teaspoon with 6 oz. of food. I know that rice is good for their upset stomachs, but is it o.k. until I get rid of this food. One more question. Before she was eating Ocean Fusion, but should I be giving her the earthborn small breed dog food?

  • Nici Wasserfall

    Thanks for an excellent brand of dogfood.

  • Ann

    hi, my 5 yo pug had become lathargic (sic), as well as putting on weight. my sil suggested trying gold. pet stores did not carry gold, so i tried blue buffalo. pug loved it, but his GERD got much worse. pet store suggested eb small breed. pug’s energy is back and he has lost weight. but for me, the best was having my little boy back — mischievous, playful. i am a firm believer that one brand cannot be every dog’s soln. i glad i have found one for pug.
    ps. mix it w/some canned food if he begins to “complain” re: boring food! LOL

  • Tiffany

    Hi, I have been feeding my 6 month old golden retriever the puppy vantage and since starting him on it he seems to be VERY gassy, and somewhat constipated. Has anyone else experienced this?

  • Mike P

    Susan do your dogs get walked dailey or run in the yard ? Exercise is a great companion with good nutricion . Glad to hear about the weight loss .. good luck

  • Jonathan

    Susan, you just feed them less… The high calories per cup mean that you are paying for more nutrition per pound. If they eat 2 cups, you would only need 1 1/2 of this food.

  • Susan C

    I bought a bag of the grain free, could not find the calorie count on the bag, call Earthborn and they told me it was 714 calories a cup…..the bag went back as that is way too high for my dogs that are are trying to lose weight, they are all on Dogswell Nutrisca, it’s the lowest Glycemic product on the market and my big guy has lost 6 pounds! Love this food!

  • Mike P

    Mike considering your experience in dentistry , are the ingrediants in Greenies tartar control treats ok ? We make great choices in food thanks to you and your team…Any advice on the treats ?

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Heather… Unfortunately, other than the star ratings themselves, I cannot provide customized product recommendations. Please visit our FAQ page and look for the topic, “Help Me Choose a Dog Food” for more information. Or check back for a possible response from one of our other readers.

  • Mike P

    Heather I was confused when trying to choose the right food . One thing you can try is buy small bags of food and try to find one that works . So much great info on this website thanks to Mike and all the informed contributers.. Good luck..

  • Heather

    We have an 8 month old, 55 lb. Lab mix puppy. Very high energy. I researched a lot of dog foods before deciding on the Earthborn puppy (purple bag) when she was about 3 months old. She gets 1 1/2 cups in the morning and again in the evening. She eats each meal like she is starving. Also her stool is usually solid in the morning, but the 2-3 she does through the day are very soft to runny. I have spent all afternoon researching other food options. Any opinions out there? Is this food appropriate for such a high energy dog? Is it okay that she scarfs down each meal like it’s her last? and what about the stool?

  • Jonathan

    George, switching to another 4 star product should be just fine… especially if it’s cheaper!

    I have used the Earthborn Primitive Natural in a rotation for my dog, and she loved that one. It’s only a few bucks more… and it’s a grain free 5 star food! It is also for “all life stages” so it would be appropriate to feed puppies.

  • George

    Hello, I currently have two puppy’s, and American bulldog about 4 months and an Italian Greyhound and Pug mix. I was feeding them Canidae, but loose stools started, and we switched to California naturals dog food, and this seems to be working better. I ran into a sales person for earthborn and seems to be a good food. The earthborn is slighly cheaper in price, if anyone has ever used california natruals, and suggests switching to earthborn puppy advantage. Thanks!

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Ann… From a growth standpoint, you should be just fine. It’s always better to feed a puppy food to an adult than an adult product to a puppy.

  • Ann

    Hi! I have an 9 month old Shih Tzu. Since he was very little to about 6 months he was fed Eukanuba dry food. Then I was forced [due to money constraints] to switch to Pedigree puppy dry and mixed in a little Caesar canned from 6months to 9months. I am now purchasing Earthborn Holistic. I know that puppy years are essential, did the three months I switched to the poorer dog food harm his growth or life expectancy?

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Anj… It’s easy for any dog to tire of eating the same food. What I’ve found works for our Bailey is mixing his kibble with a small amount of a quality canned food. This is usually much more tasty than any kibble. But it’s very important to refrigerate the unused portion and use up the whole can within 2 days or so (before it goes bad). Since your dog is so small, you may want to choose a food that comes in a smaller can (the size of a tuna fish or cat food container). Hope this helps.

  • anj

    I have been feeding my Shih Tzu the EB puppy vantage a month after I got her due to skin issues. It comes and goes even with EB and have been told it may have not been food connected. I have kept her on it because I feel like she’s getting better nutrition. Her poop also looks better and appears more solid (better for scooping). My only issue is that she seems to be tiring of it and has become a picky eater. I have been mixing in some of the cheaper stuff (beneful) because she likes the taste. I have been told that this is because thats the equivalent of doggie McDonalds. Is this ok or should I try to find a quality dog food with bettertaste? Or should I just continue giving her EB mixed with some flavorfiul stuff?

  • Michelle

    I have been feeding Earthborn Primitive for about a year now. My Greater Swiss Mountain Dogs do great on it! When switching over any food you should do it gradually to reduce the risk of tummy upsets. I also recommend adding a digestive enhancer that aides in the transition. The probiotics that are added in the production process is usually not sufficient. I use Nature’s Farmacy’s Digestive Enhancer every day on my dog’s food.

  • Nici Wasserfall

    I’ve been looking for a good brand of dogfood for many years. The so called “good and also VERY expensive” brands sold here in South Africa did not impress, which forced me to cook for my dogs. Organic veggies is expensive and is often difficult to find – finding free range chicken has not been a problem though. I have begun to mix Earthbound into the cooked food and will slowly mix in more over two weeks until it measures to half Earthbound pellets and half cooked food. I am very happy to have at last found a really GOOD food brand for my doxies. Thanks Earthbound! ♥

  • Jonathan

    That’s awesome. Yeah, Mike, change that formula! but seriously, EB makes and Ocean Fusion formula. And while it still contains tomato pomace, it is completely chicken free. And as Mike mentioned in the review, there is so little of the tomato pomace in there, it probably doesn’t hurt anything.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Laura… The Dog Food Advisor is a review and rating site. We don’t make or sell any dog foods. You may want to contact the manufacturer. Sorry I can’t be more help.

  • Laura

    Hello. I was so excited to find a new dog food for the kids. Unfortunately, my Sheltie is allergic to chicken. It also has the tomato pumace—googled it–not good. Do you plan on making it in different tastes, without both products? Thanks Laura

  • RPSWB5

    P.S. Also told by store that a representative from the company comes on a regular basis to the store to answer questions and gives coupons for their product. Obviously believe in their product and are willing to meet with you personally to address your concerns. Might be an advantage for you to see if there is a similar arrangement in your area.

  • RPSWB5

    Just adopted a rescue puppy and have been having trouble getting her to eat. Found Earthborn Holistic Puppy Food and she absolutely loves it! Tried the trial bag … only $2.99 for the bag with a $3 for future purchases. Can’t beat that. 4 stars and its already making a difference.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Amelia… This is probably not true. According to the Waltham Centre for Pet Nutrition, large breeds don’t stop growing until 12 to 24 months of age. I would suggest discussing this decision with your vet before you make the switch to adult food.

    By the way, skeletal problems (like hip dysplasia) are caused by overfeeding. Not by too much protein. If you haven’t already done so, be sure to check out my recent article about choosing puppy foods. Hope this helps.

  • Amelia Rogers

    Hi:

    I was told that feeding large breeds adult dog food when they reach 5 – 6 months old is a good idea. It slows down their growth and allows the bones to grow slower, eliminating some of the bone and joint problems common to large breed dogs. I want to switch my puppy to the adult food—do you see a problem with this?

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Joyce… Dogs are a lot like us humans. Each responds to a different ingredient in its own unique way. So, it would be misleading for me to assure you a particular dog food will provide the results you’re looking for. I do not track caloric content of the foods on our website. And I’m surprised that information is not somewhere on the package. In most cases, it usually is.

    In any case, I’d suggest you contact Earthborn Holistic and find out calories data you need. Sorry I can’t be more help.

  • Joyce Wilson

    I just found Earthborn Holistic Ocean Fusion today at pet store. I have 3 young Maltese who are as a lot of white dogs allergic to corn and beef and chicken foods. My vet had us using a 3 star food that was $58. for 15 pounds of course it was Rx. I switched over to potatoe and duck, and then some venison and bison and the eye tearing and licking of feet was under control but they started having anal gland problems. I then was directed to give cheerios and pumpkin (of which they love) but my older male has gained some weight as did my middle girl. My smallest is doing OK but she’s not a big eater anyway. On the intro bags I bought there is no kcal information per cup. Can you tell me the kcals for the Ocean fusion? Because of fussy belly’s I am only giving each of them a tablespoon once a day mixed in their smorgsasbord of other stuff they are eating. Any ideas for little Malties who rule!!

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Lynn… I’m baffled by your finding. According to the company’s website, none of their products appear to contain any form of menadione. Without knowing more, I would guess you have an older (expired?) batch of the product. Or maybe the bag itself simply displays a discontinued recipe. In any case, be sure to contact the company to clarify your finding.

  • lynn

    i have just purchased a bag of EARTHBORN HOLISTIC FOR PUPPY VANTAGE, i have read over the ingredients and there is MENADIONE SODIUM BISULFITE COMPLEX, I don’t know if i should give this to my puppy.

  • Amanda Green

    I have about 40-$3.00 off coupons for Earthborn bags 6 lbs or larger. Please let me know if you would be interested in these. Send me an email to missbarnett05@yahoo.com .

    We acquired these coupons on some donated bags of Earthborn samples. We don’t feed our personal dogs or rescue dogs this on a regular basis. So we didn’t just want to throw them out.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Cynthia… According to the staff at Earthborn Holistic, their products are ethoxyquin-free and menadione-free. Look through the footnotes and the comments section at the bottom of this review for precise details and to confirm information sources.

  • Cynthia Herr

    I have only been feeding my dog the Earthborn Ocean Fusion formula for about 2 weeks now but I do see quite a difference in my dogs poop and the itchies seem to be a bit better. He is a rescue dog and they were feeding him Kibble’s and Bits (garbage) so I wanted to give him the best food I could. My local pet store suggested the Ocean Fusion because he has some allergy issues also. I am now concerned with the statement made about the Ethoxyquin and the menadione which I know are bad chemicals that I do not want in my dogs food. It does state that there is menadione on my bag but I couldn’t find anything in regards to the ethoxyquin. Does anyone know for sure if this product contains these two chemicals or not? I sure hope not because I thought this seemed like a reputable company but now I question that.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Mary… Are you sure you were given a bag of Earthborn Holistic? To my knowledge, there’s no ethoxyquin or menadione in any of their products.

  • Mary

    I was given a small bag of the grain free to try today for my pugs .. I read the list of ingredients ….sad to say …also found Menadione Sodium Bisulfite and Ethoxyquin …a chemical used as a preservative for fish products . From what I’ve read ..both are cancinogens ….Ethoxyquin bannded or heavily regulated in human foods due to what it does . This may be a good food to some …but after reading about whats in it …not so sure now I will even try it . Was hoping to find a grain free food that I could buy near me and feel confident about it . I wrote to the company asking where their foods were processed …and if they bought from any other countries . I just did that today …so far no answers . I’m really on the fence about this food and see where whole eggs are not used either . If there are those feeding this food and seeing numerous stool …runny stool …gotta ask ..how much are you feeding ? The recommended doses on the back of a bag in my book has cuased over weight dogs and cats . If using the grain free …I feed less . If protein is not used it turns to fat and causes weight gain . So portion control is another thing to consider . Also the amount of roughage in this food could also be the culprit . I’ve been a big fan of feeding raw beef ..organic beef several times a week . In doing a diet like this you see very little stool..once a day maybe twice and what they do produce is small, formed and within a day or two turns almost to a powder form on the lawn . Very odd and one does not have poop patrol as much . I came searching on the net to see what others felt about this food before even considering giving it to my pugs .

  • Bridgette

    Look at the dog food before giving it to dogs. About a month ago I switched my dogs to this brand small breed. I purchased the large bag to safe money, but made up for the costs in vet pills. I couldn’t figure out why my dogs were getting sick after a month on this food. Well, after inspecting the bag of food it had turned dark brown and the pellets starting growing mold on them. I took it back to store and got my money and new bag of food. I still like this dog food. I just want people to keep a close eye on the pellets before feeding it to your dogs. :)

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Yolanda… For lack of a better solution, simply compare the star ratings. They should help you make a decision.

  • yolanda

    i am giving my dogs solid gold & was thinking of changeing it & trying earth born but not sure i know solid gold is very good & was just wondering if earth born was just as good.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Jennifer… Every dog can respond uniquely to any food. Like with humans, what works for one can be problematic to another.

    Sometimes stool condition can be related to fiber content. And at other times, soft stools can be a sign of an animal’s natural sensitivities to one or more of the product’s ingredients.

    I wish I could be more helpful, but since I’m not a veterinarian, it would be inappropriate for me to prescribe a particular dog food to treat a specific condition. If the problem persists, of course, try another puppy food.

  • Jennifer

    I have been feeding my 4 month old boxer the Earthborn Puppy Formula for about 2 weeks now. His stool is hard the 1st time he goes in the morning but then he goes 2 more times after that and it is really loose stool almost runny. I seems this food makes him go a lot more through out the day. My question is this normal or should i try some other puppy food? thanks!

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Erica… Your vet is giving you very good advice. Sodium (salt) content can be very important in controlling certain health conditions (like congestive heart failure).

    However, very few pet food companies actually publish this critical data. I’d suggest calling Earthborn Holistic at 812-867-7466 for the answer.

  • Erica

    I’ve been feeding my two Chihuahuas (ages 11 and 1) the Small breed formula and they love it. My vet said I needed to check the sodium content but I can’t find it any where. The 11 year old has recently developed a heart murmur as well as DVD. Where can I find the sodium content on this brand?

  • Meg

    I have been feeding my almost 9 month old Boston Terrier the Earthborn Puppy Formula for a little over 6 months. Her coat is amazing but she constantly has to go to the bathroom. She also tends to be quite gassy but I also attribute that to her breed. I’m very satified with this food.

  • John Brennan

    We’ve had our sweet “Minit”, our medium/large mixed breed dog, for 5 years, (actual age unknown), maybe as old as 8. For 4 1/2 yrs. from when we first got her till about 3 months ago… she had been scratching. Mostly with no noticeable skin or hair afflictions. After years of trying every other dog food, shampoos, snake oils, magic remedies, medications including veterinarian products… Vet consultations… tons of money… never a change. Sometimes things got worse and her skin and hair would become a mess… skin flaking or with hot spots and scabs, hair falling out… and of course… scratching… obsessive constant scratching. We felt so bad for her.

    We were persistant and I strongly believed, due to an experience with a previous dog in my history… that it was a food related dilemma… I also considered some genetic anomaly may be at the cause… but wasn’t ready to accept that without trying every quality natural dog food on the market and, maybe, as a last resort, some home recipes.

    Food trials take time. Sometimes there’s an immediate bad result and you can eliminate the product right away. Sometimes there is no effect but you feel obliged to give the product a reasonable amount of time and a chance to work… I would allow for up to 6 to 8 weeks depending on the product and it’s reviews, other factors etc…

    We finally came along to Earthborn and we were pretty confident that the fish based type dog foods were the way to go. We purchased the Ocean Fusion for testing. It took a little while to kick in completely. She responded very well after about a month… no scratching for about 2 1/2 weeks… then scratching again for about 2 1/2 weeks…

    …then It Ended! No More Scratching !!! …and what soon devloped… the most beautiful silky, thick, blue-black coat ever… not a single flake… no real shedding… never close to even a brush full of hair… she rarely needs a bath! It’s like she’s Self-Cleaning or Teflon!

    She’s never been so Beautiful… she’s happier, more energetic, more playful… seeing her blissfully running around, free, all happy faced with tongue flapping in the breeze… which is really her usual self… but now more so… and she’s not having to sop her fun activities for a sit and scratch session… It’s a True Joy to behold… it warms my heart so greatly just to think and write about it.

    …and for my wife and I, to not be woken up at night by her incessant scratching… that too is a joy!

    I can’t thank Earthborn enough… and I pray they don’t ever change their recipe… whatever you’re doing Earhborn… please keep on doing it… please!

  • Renee

    We have a 1 year old lab and we were having a hard time finding a food that would keep him full with out having to feed him 6 cups a day and pooping even more. We have been feeding him this for about 3 weeks and are so happy with it! It is a bit more expensive but we are feeding him so much less. He really seems to like it!

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Patrick… it’s always difficult to pinpoint the cause of a dog’s loose stools… it may not even be the dog food.

    By the way, Earthborn looks to have about twice the fiber of American Natural Premium. If you’ve heard fiber is a laxative… you’re right. But if you’ve also heard fiber is a cure for loose stools. You’d also be right about that, too. Even though fiber is not a normal part of a dog’s ancestral diet, it can help with SOME GI problems.

    Be sure to check out my article… “The Amazing Benefits of Dog Food Fiber” and see if you think that could be part of the problem.

    Of course, be sure to consult a veterinarian if loose stools are becoming chronic.

  • Patrick

    Hi Mike – A fellow at a pet store recently recommended Earthborn Ocean Fusion to help with my dogs loose do-do. (Was fine as a pup, but now she’s 1 and a half – black lab boxer mix – very active) Currently using American Natural Premium. Though Ocean Fusion is a bit expensive, you also end up using only half as much. First 6 ingredients – Whitefish Meal, sweet potatoes, ground barley, potatoes, Menhaden fish meal, Canola oil make me think he might be right. (Less rich?) I’m at my wits end experimenting with other brands, so any advice or recommendations you can give would be helpful before I invest in Earthborn. Thank You!

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi GA Peach… I agree. Earthborn is a very fine dog food. The larger stools are probably related to the slightly above-average fiber content of 6.7% in Earthborn Holistic. You may want to look for a fiber content closer to average (about 5%) or so. This may help. But if you make the change too quickly, you may encounter loose stools.

  • GA Peach

    This is a great dry dog food. However, instead a pooping less it makes my pups poop more. Their stools are firm but I’m searching for a dry kibble thats equal in quality but less poop. Also, Earthborn is very expensive in price per pound. I have 2 puppies so price matters in this tough economic times! Overall all this is an awesome food for those who can afford it.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Tammy… you are certainly observant. The company’s packages do clearly state that menadione sodium bisulfite complex (another name for a controversial form of vitamin K) is present.

    But their website doesn’t.

    Jeff Nunn, the president of Midwestern Pet Foods (maker of Earthborn Holistic) was very responsive and has assured us there is no menadione in any of his company’s products. They plan to remove this item from the product label when they purchase new bags.

    Nice detective work! Thanks for calling this discrepancy to our attention.

  • Tammy

    My bag of Earthborn Holistic Puppy Vantage includes Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (it’s listed right after the Ferrous Sulfate). I couldn’t find it on the ingredient list on this web page. Would that change its rating or your opinion of it?
    Tammy