Earthborn Holistic Primitive Natural (Dry)

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Rating: ★★★★★

Earthborn Holistic Primitive Natural gets the Advisor’s highest rating of 5 stars.

The Earthborn Holistic product line lists five kibbles. But because of its unique higher quality formula, Earthborn Holistic Primitive Natural is reviewed here in its own special report.

Earthborn Holistic Primitive Natural

Dry Dog Food

Estimated Dry Matter Nutrient Content

Protein = 42% | Fat = 22% | Carbs = 28%

Ingredients: Turkey meal, chicken meal, whitefish meal, potatoes, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols, a source of vitamin E), dried egg product, tomato pomace, apples, blueberries, carrots, peas, spinach, garlic, Yucca schidigera extract, taurine, cottage cheese, l-lysine, dl-methionine, beta-carotene, calcium carbonate, zinc oxide, magnesium proteinate, copper sulfate, manganous oxide, niacin, d-calcium pantothenic acid, vitamin A supplement, l-carnitine, vitamin B12 supplement, l-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), ferrous sulfate, biotin, riboflavin (vitamin B2), thiamine hydrochloride (vitamin B1), calcium iodate, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin D3 supplement, folic acid, manganese proteinate, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, dried Lactobacillus plantarum fermentation product, dried Enterococcus faecium fermentation product, dried Lactobacillus casei fermentation product, dried Lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation product

Fiber (estimated dry matter content) = 2.8%

Red items when present indicate controversial ingredients

Estimated Nutrient Content
MethodProteinFatCarbs
Guaranteed Analysis38%20%NA
Dry Matter Basis42%22%28%
Calorie Weighted Basis34%44%22%

The first two items in this dog food are chicken meal and turkey meal. Chicken and turkey meals are considered meat concentrates and contain nearly 300% more protein than fresh poultry.

The third ingredient includes whitefish meal… another high-protein meat concentrate. Whitefish is a freshwater species native to the northern United States and Canada.

Thankfully, unlike most fish meals, this particular item appears to be ethoxyquin-free.1

The fourth item lists potato. Assuming they’re cooked, potatoes can be considered a gluten-free source of digestible carbohydrates. Yet with the exception of perhaps their caloric content, potatoes are of only modest nutritional value to a dog.

The fifth ingredient lists chicken fat. Chicken fat is obtained from rendering chicken, a process similar to making soup in which the fat itself is skimmed from the surface of the liquid.

Chicken fat is high in linoleic acid, an omega-6 fatty acid essential for life. Though it doesn’t sound very appetizing, chicken fat is a quality ingredient.

The sixth item details dried egg product, a dehydrated form of shell-free eggs. Quality can vary greatly. Lower grade egg product can even come from commercial hatcheries… from eggs that have failed to hatch.

In any case, eggs are easy to digest and have an exceptionally high biological value.

Tomato pomace is a controversial ingredient, a by-product left after processing tomatoes into juice, soup and ketchup.

Many praise tomato pomace for its high fiber and nutrient content while others scorn it as a cheap pet food filler.

Just the same, there’s probably not enough tomato pomace here to make much of a difference.

The list goes on to include a number of nutrient-rich fruits and vegetables

  • Apples
  • Blueberries
  • Carrots
  • Peas
  • Spinach

From here, the list goes on to include a number of other items.

But to be realistic, ingredients located this far down the list (other than nutritional supplements) are not likely to affect the overall rating of this product.

With three notable exceptions

First, garlic can be a controversial item. Although most experts favor the ingredient for its numerous health benefits, garlic (in rare cases) has been linked to Heinz body anemia in dogs.2

However, the limited professional literature we surveyed provided no definitive warnings regarding the use of garlic — especially used in small amounts (as it likely is here).

Next, the manufacturer appears to have applied friendly bacteria to the surface of the kibble after cooking. These special probiotics are used to enhance a dog’s digestive and immune functions.

And lastly, this food also contains chelated mineralsminerals that have been chemically attached to protein. This makes them easier to absorb. Chelated minerals are usually found in better dog foods.

Earthborn Holistic Primitive Natural Dog Food
The Bottom Line

Grain-free and starting with three high-protein meat concentrates in a row, Earthborn Holistic Primitive Natural looks like a quality dry dog food.

But ingredient quality by itself cannot tell the whole story. We still need to estimate the product’s meat content before determining a final rating.

The dashboard displays a dry matter protein reading of 42%, a fat level of 22% and estimated carbohydrates of about 28%.

High protein. High fat. And low carbohydrates when compared to a typical dry dog food.

Free of any plant-based protein boosters, this looks like the profile of a kibble containing an abundance of meat.

For those looking to mimic a dog’s natural ancestral diet, Earthborn Holistic Primitive Natural at least begins to approach this noble goal.

Bottom line?

Earthborn Holistic Primitive Natural is a meat-based kibble using a generous amount of named poultry and fish meals as its main sources of animal protein… thus earning the brand five stars.

Enthusiastically recommended.

Special Alert

Rice ingredients can sometimes contain arsenic. Until the US FDA establishes safe upper levels for arsenic content, pet owners may wish to limit the total amount of rice fed in a dog's daily diet.

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Notes and Updates

04/18/2010 Original review
11/18/2010 Review updated
01/07/2012 Review updated (no changes noted)
01/07/2012 Last Update

  1. Per Cindy Montgomery, Earthborn Holistic Pet Food, email dated 4/19/2010
  2. Yamato et al, Heinz Body hemolytic anemia with eccentrocytosis from ingestion of Chinese chive (Allium tuberosum) and garlic (Allium sativum) in a dog, Journal of the American Animal Hospital Association 41:68-73 (2005)
  • LabsRawesome

    I agree. That’s why when manufacturers claim China free, I am suspicious. China is where most, if not all, vitamin/mineral premixes originate.

  • Pattyvaughn

    It depends on the vitamin/mineral. China is a vast land that if the source is found naturally abundant there then it is cheap to get the vit/min from there. Also, according to our laws, if the original source was China but the ingredients were shipped to another country and then mixed together, companies are allowed to say it came from the second country, so there is really no guarantee that you will ever know where any ingredient actually came from, except in as much as you know whether or not you can trust a company.

  • LabsRawesome

    I’m pretty sure that most, if not all vitamins are only manufactured in China. There are ways to go around the truth. Like once the vitamins are added to the food mixture, technically they are allowed to claim made in USA. And also, sources for any ingredient can change from batch to batch……

  • Gypsy

    When I called, march 2013, they couldn’t guarantee the vitamin c was not from china

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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    Ambivalent about the food or the stool issue? If he’s just started on the Earthborn, and isn’t used to diet rotation, it might just be a temporary situation.

  • dr. dave

    Big time stool issues. Too bad. Was hoping to use the food. Dog seems ambivalent about it, though.

  • http://www.facebook.com/christina.dubuque Christina Dubuque

    Yes having stool issues too.

  • http://www.facebook.com/christina.dubuque Christina Dubuque

    I just wrote to Earthborn. I am having the same issues as above and with loose stools and some vomiting with the coastal catch…

  • http://www.facebook.com/mah4angel Mary Alida Hornaday

    Found it on their website! 445 kcal/cup.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mah4angel Mary Alida Hornaday

    Does anyone know what the kcal/cup ratio is? Couldn’t find it on the bag!

  • GSD LOVER

    Is Primitive Naturals good food for a pregnant German Shepherd?

  • http://www.facebook.com/d00ken Allen Schroeder

    Hound Dog Mom, hey buy this brand, not the Carna4, plus they are suppose to come out with a low calorie no grain kibble in the 3rd quarter of this year

  • Brinny

    Which flavors do you feed? I requested for samples before I buy the food. I really don’t like the low protein on the Meadow Feast, but the calcium level is acceptable for my puppy. I was hoping the Primitive Natural had a lower calcium.

  • crazy4cats

    Hi Shannon-
    I haven’t used this food yet, but I plan to on my next rotation. Can you (or anyone) tell me about their UPC program? Thank you.

  • Shannon

    I have two 70+ pound labs that absolutely love their Earthborn Holistic! They still drool with anticipation. I love the price and their UPC program! =)

  • Brinny

    Just making sure. Thank you!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    Hi Brinny,

    I called months ago and had a very pleasant and helpful conversation with a gentleman, a nutritionist I believe, whose name I can’t recall, at Earthborn. I don’t recall the specific Ca level that he told me the Primitive Natural had, but seem to recall that it was too high, as HDM said, for my (at the time) puppy who is also a large breed.

    It’s a great brand and I’d encourage you to call them and ask them all of your questions also.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Hi Brinny –

    I’ve emailed the company in the past regarding calcium levels. The only two Earthborn formulas with appropriate calcium levels for large breed puppies are the Meadow Feast (3.41 g. ca./1,000 kcal.) and Coastal Catch (3.49 g. ca./1,000 kcal.) formulas.

  • Brinny

    I, myself, was wondering about the calcium level on the Primitive Natural. I have a large breed puppy (40+ lbs at 6 months old), and I want to make sure the calcium levels aren’t too high for him before I decide on trying this food.

    Does anyone have this information?
    I have just emailed the company to find out, but it may take a few days for a response.

  • andre

    not doing well on my 2 pomeranian,,and seems like not tasty enough..

  • ann lilly

    I think earthborn is a good kibble. I think people have went a little to far with the whole thing about dog feeding. I think its not just the food its what people have done to our canine friends in the past 1000yrs of over breeding and wanting to create the perfect animal. if dogs have allergies don’t just blame the dog food. how about over bathing, perfume scented sprays, marketed toys, treats, beds blankets and numerous products we buy for our friends that they don’t need. its become a human obsession. canines are not humans. if people are so concerned about what they feed their dogs, then why not be concerned about everything else that has created this. unfortunately dogs today do not eat like their canine counterparts and this is our fault because we have domesticated them. and over generations we have made them come to rely on bagged or canned marketed food. I feed all of my dogs primitive natural and great plains feast and have had great results. I do not give any supplements, treats, vitamins, or extras other than I do bone them monthly for their teeth. I live on a farm so my dogs supplement theirselves on grasses, sulpher springs, very nutrient rich soils that are pesticide free as much as they can be, I cannot control aerial fallout. squirrels, mice, rabbits and much more. bottom line… find a good kibble and let your dog be a dog before we completely breed it out of them.

  • beaglemom

    Yes, they seem good about responding to emails. I’ve also been assured that any canola oil used in their formulas is non-GMO.

  • Jamie as Guest

    email midwestern or call and ask to speak with nutritionist (I have several times) they have told me in past all local sourced ingredients, no chinese vitamins. Any food they make with grains are non GMO and milled there at their plants. They are also a milling company.

  • Shawna

    They actually now know that protein does not “cause” kidney disease. Once the disease is in advanced stages protein should be restricted to control the symptoms but protein does not contribute at all to the deterioration of the kidneys. The dog in my avatar is Audrey. Audrey is a nine pound Chihuahua/Toy Poodle/Boston Terrier mix. Audrey has had kidney disease since birth and has been on a high protein raw diet since weaning. She gets between 45 and 54% protein (I feed raw) and has her whole life. She will be seven years old in three months. She is still to this day quite healthy, unmedicated (except extra vitamins and nutraceuticals) etc.

    High protein is actually beneficial for kidneys and the urinary tract. The wrong kinds of protein (like from grains and poor quality by-products) are believed to be much harder than the overall amount.

    I have 8 dogs total – all toy and small breeds (ranging in size from 4 to 14 pounds). Five of them (including the 4 pounder) get HIGH protein raw. The larger three get kibbles with canned and raw toppers. Because of the raw and canned topper they get more protein than if fed only kibble. This is one of the foods that they eat and we’ve never yet seen any problems from the food or the other high protein foods like Orijen.

    It’s a complete and total myth that smaller dogs need less protein than larger dogs. If you look at breed specific foods like Royal Canin (yuck :) the toy breed dogs’ foods have more protien than the large breed dog foods.

  • NatG

    This could be due to the high amount of protein 42 is a lot, and is hard on kidneys and such urinary systems Smaller dogs are much more sensitive when it comes to food; my mother tries to avoid allowing too many fats into her Yorkies diet; pancreatitis is common for smaller dogs feed diets with high fat content.

  • Hayduke

    Is there a way to determine whether the ingredients come from the US? With all of the issues and recalls surrounding foreign produced foods, I am concerned about where the dog food ingredients originated. Thanks.

  • Sapphire Light

    Yeah, thanks that’s me the same Sapphire, LOL

    I like to come here also, mostly to compare the differences between formulas depending in the country.

    Many times I wish we could have here the 4 or 5 stars foods available in the US, however if the companies slipt their formulas from the ones in the US I’m not sure if it would be the same feeling of joy to buy the food.

  • InkedMarie

    Sapphire Light, I know you from Dog Food Chat!

  • Sapphire-Light

    Midwestern has stared to slip their products from US formulas and International formulas.

    Few days ago, I got a bag of Earthborn Primitive and I noticed when I was at home that the ingredient list has changed, most noticeable it doesn’t have turkey anymore.

    is confusing in the back of the bag it has a description in the food and it says it has turkey in it, but when you read the ingredient list it doesn’t have the turkey only chicken meal and whitefish meal

    The odd thing is that in the label says is made in the US, but the formula is a bit different.

    Here’s a pic I took from the back of the bag you can zoom it [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/88957647@N06/8499669096/in/photostream/]Earthborn primitive international | Flickr – Photo Sharing![/url]

  • Dana

    I have been reading about the fluoride levels in dog food being too high. Unless they are steamed with purified water your dog is getting too much of it. Bone meal is the culprit because it absorbs the fluoride in the boiling process. This company could not tell me the fluoride levels so back to Taste of the wild, they use purified water. Too much fluoride is poisoning our dogs. Also what ingredients are GMO? There are so many things out there making us and our buddies sick.

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  • Annie

    We switched to this dog food a little over a month ago from 4Health and now our dogs dance for dinner! In fact, come evening they are almost insane with happiness! For the first time in a long time our old lady lab is “perfect” in her weight and our dachshund isn’t too chubby now either! They don’t seem ravenous like they were before and our pitbull LOVES it as well. I feel much better buying this as its made in American and has a much higher quality than what we were putting out for our babies before!

  • InkedMarie

    I agree with you. Not much quality control there.

  • Concerned

    So I got a response from Earthborn regarding finding cat food in the most recent Primitive dog food bag and it was stated that it must have come from the Pro Pac cat food that had been bagged prior to. He indicated that it was a premium cat when in fact it has corn as the third ingredient…corn? When was the last time you heard of cats, domestic or wild, pulling corn from its stalks to eat? Sorry, although mistakes can happen, I expect quality assurance to prevent cat food, or anything for that matter, getting in the bags of dog food and ultimately my dogs’ systems.

  • Steph

    Dogmom,
    I had the same problem with my very active dog. When I switched over to Earthborn she acted like she was starving and started to beg and snitch food off of the counter. She had never begged or really seemed overly excited about food before. She was also losing weight. So I gave her more until she seemed satisfied. She’s a 50 lb 3 year old, very active dog and I’m giving her 3 cups a day over two feedings. She still acts hungry, but not like before and her weight is fine.  

  • Imzadi

    My dogs love this food!
    They are both recused pits but they have food allergies.
    I have struggled to find a decent dog food that will not cause me to have to take out another mortgage to feed them, one weighs 80 the other 75. This food fits the bill, literally and figuratively.

  • AJ

    I haven’t rotated formulas yet, he is just about  running out of his big bag which I bought at the beginning of November. I don’t know if I like some of the other grain free formulas, not enough meats. I do add about a tablespoon of cottage cheese. Haven’t tried canned foods with him yet.

  • AJ

    My dog is 3 years old and weighs 21#, he was 17# when I rescued him.

  • Storm’s Mom

    What were you feeding them before, and how many cups per day? Were you feeding them 3 times per day on that food too? 

  • Dogmom

    Has anyone had problems with your dog acting as if they are starving since switching to earthborn grain free costal catch? I have a German Shorthaired Pointer, and a Lab/Jack Russell mix both are medium large dogs. They eat 3. 1/2 c a day in three feedings and act as if they are starving. They have Been through 5 or 6 28lb bags, each last two weeks before a new bag is needed. I thought in time they would adjust but they continue to gobble each feeding, not really chewing the feed devouring it in a couple of minutes then search the floor & each others bowl for more food. Each dog seems to be loosing weight. The GSP is 6yr female the Lab mix is 13 yrs. Help! Both are pretty inactive due to disability and age but otherwise healthy. I have never had this problem even when they where on prescription diet food they adjusted but not now!

  • LabsRawesome

     Hi Julie, I have an English Springer Spaniel as well. He is 3 and still acts like a puppy, extremely active. Btw my cats wouldn’t eat the Earthborn fish recipe either, but they love the GF Primitive Feline.

  • Julie

    My Field English Springer Spaniel has just started on her second large bag of Eathborn Holistic Primitive grain free dog food. She is doing very well on it. I had switched from Acana Wild Prairie because of production problems. She made the change easily. No stomach issues like gas or loose stools. I think she may even have a shinier coat and perhaps a little weight gain…which is ok as she is a very active dog and I want her to keep at a good weight. The price is decent too! I initially had planned on only using the Eathborn until Acana’s production issues were taken care of. But, now I think that I will stay with the Earthborn brand. One note though. I also switched my cats to to Eathborn…and they would not eat it:( I gave the bag to my daughter for her cats, and they would not eat it either! Mine are back on Acana.

  • Pugilly2004

    This earthborn food makes BOTH my dogs fart sooooooo bad!
    I went online and found out that I wasnt the only one having this problem! Dont buy earthborn!!

  • jaxsongirl

    I just wanted to tell you that both of my dogs really LOVE Earthborn dogfood!! I have a blind female husky and she is a picky eater. I decided to give it a try and to my shock…she will eat it dry!!! I have to hide the bag from her…she will find the dog food and grab it by the bag!!! I am sooo glad that I made the switch!! My dogs are lot less gassy as well!!!!

  • Pattyvaughn

    People who rotate frequently find that they can rotate faster, with less transition time, and even get to the point that they need no transition at all.

  • Kjkjp

    Does anyone know if the dry, grain free formulas can be rotated without giving half and half etc???

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    Do you rotate formulas for variety?  Add any toppers or canned foods?

  • Pam Casira

    How much does your dog weigh and how old? I’m planning on switching to one of the grain-free dog foods made by Earthborn Holistic.

  • AJ

    I love this food. It’s fairly cheap for a high quality food. My dog has perfect poops on it too and he likes it. He’s also a perfect weight. I give him 1 cup a day, half cup in the morning nad half cup in the evening. He’s gained the weight he needed to not look sickly (I rescued him abou 2 months ago) but he  isn’t overweight like a lot of the dogs I see out walking. I will use this food for any future dogs as long as the recipe doesn’t change and the makers don’t sell out of or something.

  • Snwbnm0509

    Thanks for the advice. We will try Acana. He was on Primitive Natural so it couldn’t be canola. I didn’t try the other flavors, but I doubt he wouldn’t itch on them. We’ve switched food a lot and no major protein source makes him itch (i.e. he isn’t allergic to chicken or duck itself) so it, most likely, is some additive in all the formulas. But thanks again!

  • Betsy Greer

    I wonder if it could be the canola oil.  I can’t recall for sure, but it seems like Earthborn Primitive Natural is the only variety of Earthborn that doesn’t have canoila oil in it.  Maybe you could give that a try. 

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Have you tried Acana Regionals? The protein and fat levels are pretty similar to Earthborn’s and there are four different formulas to choose from. Did your dog have an issue with all the Earthborn formulas?

  • Snwbnm0509

    Anybody know of a food similar to Earthborn in regards to the protien-fat ratios? My dog has the best poop ever (really small and dark) since I’ve started feeding it to him but he has also become itchy all over. I think it is one of the ingredients in this food but many foods give him really light brown and large poo so I don’t want to switch him to even other 5-stars (TOTW I am looking at you). Sorry for the poo imagery, but how else can I explain. Oh well, I’ll start clicking down the list to look at ratios.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Hi Jandmeeko –

    The majority of dog food manufacturers do use vitamins and minerals from China. I’ve read Wellness uses vitamins and minerals from China as well (this is just what I’ve read online, you’d have to contact the company to verify). Check out this article Dr. Mike wrote: http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-industry-exposed/dog-food-chin/. I know there are a few companies out there, like The Honest Kitchen, that state they are 100% China free (including vitamins and minerals). This issue is part of the reason that I make my dogs’ food and don’t use any synthetic vitamins or minerals, I like to know where everything comes from and I don’t want anything from China. You’re going to be taking on a certain level of risk with anything you feed your dog so you really just need to figure out if you feel the company is trustworthy or not.

  • Jandmeeko

    I everyone ,I just changed dog foods for my 3 dogs from wellness to Earthborn , however after my purchase and doing some posting on facebook I am being told that they use vitamins from China . Can anyone tell me if this is correct ? Good/bad ?

  • Melissaandcrew

    Same as any dog food-depends on the dog. Several of my dogs developed diarrhea on Eartborn products, so I cut them from the rotation, I know several others that use it and swear by it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=598089668 Michelle Jadin

    Has anyone been experiencing stool issues on this food? I was speaking with someone & she stated everyone she’s talked to that their dogs get diarrhea on this food. I saw someone posted this food doesn’t have much fiber…I also use raw as toppers so that should help?
    It looks like a high quality food to me & would like to add it to my rotation…

  • EvesHumanMom

    interesting.  We’re trying some out even though it is still on the expensive side (in Japan) even with a 40% discount.  No problems at the start, and she eats well as usual, but we’re half way through the trial bag, with Earthborn as 3/4 of her food, but she poops 3-4 times a day, instead of 2-3 and is starting to make silent and not so silent stinkers, like when she first came to us as a rescue.  She doesn’t seem to be uncomfortable, but I am transitioning her off now and adding a little pumpkin just in case.  It is amazing how such a little dog can smell up the whole room.  Did not have this problem when we did trial bags of Acana or Orijen.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    If you’re near a Pet Supplies Plus, Earthborn Holistics is 50% off through the end of September.  Limit of two (2) bags.  I’m not sure if it’s all of their stores so you might want to check with the store near you first.  
    http://petsuppliesplus.com/custserv/locate_store.cmd

  • Melissaandcrew

     Hi Mandy-

    I’m with Sandy on the body score comment. You can use a “what weight a particular breed should weigh” as a guideline, but each dog is an individual and needs to be judged as such. I place my hands on the rib cages, and gently press-I should be able to feel the rib cage w/out digging, but I should not be able to feel them merely by “touching”- I do not want to see hip bones, and some have more prominent hips-which means they will carry a bit more padding over the ribcage in order to cover those. I want to see a tuck up and a “tuck in” indicating a waist when viewed.

    45lbs does not seem “out of line” with the mix you stated, so check his/her overall look/condition.

  • Pattyvaughn

    All life stages is a puppy food, and an adult food, and a senior food. It’s “all” life stages. Most of the quality brands do this. They give you high quality food that has everything a puppy needs, and then when your puppy is grown, they DON’T reduce the quality just because they are allowed to. The thing to watch for is the amount of calcium in it. Large breed dogs have very specific calcium needs. A lot of the large breed puppy foods have excessive calcium and are actually detrimental. Did you read the article that Dr. Mike wrote on hip dysplasia? There is some excellent info in the article as well as in the comments.

  • Emanko Matyas

    Why would you buy an adult food for a puppy man?

  • Carmi217

     hello my name is aviv and i got a 4 month old boxer , and it should be a  big dog. I  read your artical on earhborn holistic primitive natural and i bought it for him. my question is if u think that will be good for him?i chose this type because it says all life stages ?
    thanks

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    Hi Molly,  I don’t know the answer to your question and if no one else does either…, I have called Earthborn (Midwestern Pet Foods) before and they were happy to put me right through to a nutrionist who was more than willing to answer any / all of my questions.  Their number is 
    812-867-7466 I wouldn’t hesitate to call them with any questions I had regarding their products.  

  • molly

    Does anyone who feeds earthborn know if they use human grade meat and know the origin of the meats?

  • Pattyvaughn

    If you have to dig in to find her ribs, instead of being able to feel them when you just lay your hands on her, then she may have put on too much weight. Just cut her back by about a quarter cup and see if she starts losing weight. You may have to adjust her food several times, before you get the exact right amount, and it may take a while to get her to the right weight. Good luck.

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    Cut back on her kibble feeds and treats and weigh her every 2 weeks and exercise if possible.  Also look up her ‘body condition score’.  You have to take that into account as well, not just weight.  My small dogs are way overweight for their breed but according to their body condition score, they are just fine. They eat a high protein diet/moderate fat diet and just have a great body so they are not on a diet to lose weight but I try to maintain their score of 5 right now as it is too hot and humid to take them for long walks in the south.  They also eat less than the suggested serving size.

    http://www.pet-health-care-gazette.com/2010/05/16/dog-body-condition-score-chart/

  • Mandy25

    My 1 yr old Rescue Australian Shepherd/Collie has been on Earthborn Holistic Natural Primitive for almost 3 months.  I’m afraid she’s gaining too much weight.  She’s 45lbs now and sh was only 36lbs when I rescued her.  I’m feeding her 2 1/4 cups per day. (Im in Ontario, Canada).  Do you think that’s too much??  I know she’s getting too much biscuits, so that I’m cutting back on now, she loves celery so we’re going with that instead. *LOL*
    Any suggestions on feeding info?

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    Horizon Legacy comes in two varieties, Chicken/Turkey or Salmon. They are both about 8% ash. Legacy’s formulas use fresh meat as their number one ingredient. Even though fresh meat contains a lot more moisture than meat meals, fresh meat is also a lot less processed and a lot more natural than meat meals.  Legacy also uses meat meals in their formulas, just not as the number one ingredient. 

    Horizon Legacy is sold on petflow.com. The prices are $60.99 for a 28.6 lb bag of Legacy adult and $51.99 for a 25.1 lb bag of Legacy Salmon, both come with free shipping!

    Legacy also doesn’t have any of the same proteins overlapping in their formulas. This means that there is no fish in the chicken/turkey formula and no chicken/turkey in the fish formula.

    This is important because if your dog eats the same proteins all the time even in small amounts it increases their chance of developing a food allergy. It also makes it harder to figure out which meat/protein they are allergic to.

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    Brothers White Meat and Allergy formula are 8% ash and less than $80/bag.  Nature’s Variety Instinct and Victor Grain Free, Merrick Grain Free are also not made by Daimond but you’d have to ask them what their ash content is as it’s not posted on their websites.  Have you thought about feeding a dehydrated food like The Honest Kitchen?  Those don’t take up much space.

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy
  • Hound Dog Mom

    Kl1130,

    You can approximate the calorie content of any food using this method:

    Nitrogen Free Extract = 100 – (Crude Protein + Crude Fat + Crude Fiber + Moisture + Ash)

    Metabolizable Energy = ([3.5X Crude Protein)+(8.5XCrude Fat)+(3.5XNitrogen Free Extract)] X 10

    The
    Results are the Calorie Content (ME) per kilogram. 1 C. of kibble is
    generally about 120 g. so you would divide the calories per kilogram by
    1,000 g. (because three are 1,00 grams in a kilogram) and them multiply
    the result (calories per gram) by 120 g. (grams per cup).

    Dr. Mike usually uses 8% as the estimated ash content when doing calculations.

  • InkedMarie

    I would recommend Wellness Core’s reduced fat but if you’re looking for a really good price, that probably won’t work for you

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    You can actually pick a kibble with average fat (not necessarily low fat) and adjust feeding portions.  Dogs can digest fat more readily than carbs so a food with more protein and  more fat will actually have less carbs and they feel more satisfied with fat.  Not sure if I’m making sense…it’s late.

    Anyhow, I have 4 pugs and foster pugs which are very prone to obesity.  They lose weight eating at least 30% protein and regular fat and I adjust their feeding portions depending on their weight.  I weigh every other week.  The pug vet suggested one time that they only need to lose about 2-5% body weight a month which is not alot.

    The fiber I don’t pay much attention to unless there’s a stool issue, which for me soft stool is usually from over feeding.  The ash I keep around 10 or less although it helps to make stool solid as well.

    I think Nutrisource and Earthborn are two of the less expensive brands.

  • Kl1130

    Looking for a Weight Loss Food!!  So I read I need 29% or higher protein, 16% fat or lower and 350 calories or lower.  How do I convert the carb percentages here to figure out the calories?  I’m looking at Earthborn Primitive Naturals to be exact.  I just can’t feed Premium Edge Weight Reduction any longer (Diamond)…too risky.  I wish they would get their crap together.  I’d even be willing to pay a bit more for Diamond if they quite “messing us around”!  And what about fiber?  And ash content?  We have 4 big dogs and 3 kids on one income…so price is important but…dogs gotta’ eat healthy too!!  :~)  So would any 29protein, 16fat actually work if the carbs are less than 30%? 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/DGCWEVQLF4HCWAB3WYL3D5WJPE Bryan

    I just read on another post that this contains 12.5% ash. Isn’t that very high? To me that would be quite a bit more than I’d want at dinner. I Like Artemis Maximal @ 7.5% ash but people keep telling me to quit using it because it’s produced at Diamond’s California Facility. My mother is in the search for a new food as well and finding a high protein, low ash kibble stinks. Especially when you can’t buy from a company that seems to produce 1/3 of the kibble out there! Orijen is nice but near $100 a bag in my city. Small apartment, small freezer…so no raw. Frustrated!

  • Tony in Vegas

     Well, the advice that I got here was spot on. I received an email reply from Earthborn today:

    “Thank you for your interest in
    Earthborn Holistic. Our Primtive Feline is a very rich high protein,
    grain-free diet. It can be a big difference for many pets. It sounds
    like even though you made the switch gradual to this formula, it was
    still perhaps too quickly for your dog or that he is eating too much. We
    suggest cutting back the food you are feeding your dog by about 1/2 and
    gradually adding a little more in each day until  you are feeding the
    recommended amount. Usually by cutting back the food, it will regulate
    and stools will firm up. Thanks for feeding Earthborn Holistic.”

    Thanks everyone for all the advice. Just by including some brown rice in the wet and cutting back on the portion of the kibble, their stool is already improved after just a few feedings. Tony

  • Tony in Vegas

    Thanks for the tips, Sandy! They have tiny mouths and seem to like the variety.

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    :)   Can they even taste 1/2 to 1 tsp??  That’s like one lick!  This food is low in fiber.  Which ever way you like to introduce fiber is up to you as there are many options.  Some use brown rice, pumpkin puree, oats, ground psyllium husk, or bone meal (not a fiber but firms up stool).  Or if they can’t get accustomed to this food, you might look for one with more fiber.  One of my 4 pugs took a month or two to get good stool from going from Prairie to Instinct.  The little bit of grain food (Prairie, 20%) helped with the stool.  It just took him a while to get used to the Instinct, which doesn’t have much fiber either.  Maybe you can even give them 3 or 4 pieces of the new Instinct Raw Bites (the tiny ones that only take minutes to thaw).  I find that raw food with bones keeps stool solid.  I feed some kibble with a spoon or two of homemade raw with bone.   When they eat just raw, their stools are solid little nuggets.  My fosters get some psyllium husk to help with transitioning. I’ve also made pumpkin treats (pumpkin puree, powdered milk, brown rice cereal) which might be a good treat to give with a meal to help with stool.  The Brothers Red Meat has been the best for my (large) toy breeds. Formed stools and fosters don’t take long to transition.

  • Tony in Vegas

    Thanks for the tip, Sandy. Their stool output was fine the whole week transition time. I feed them slightly less than 1/4 cup twice a day. I’ll cut back a little on the dry. Someone at work advised mixing cooked brown rice in with the little bit of wet food I serve them on the side, which is about 1/2 to 1 teaspoon per feeding. Any thoughts? 

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    This particular Earthborn recipe (445 calories and more protein) is more dense than TOTW.  You should be able to feed them less volume of Earthborn and one week might not have been long enough of a transition time.  Some may take a couple weeks or a month!  I usually let stool output dictate the transition time meaning I don’t increase the new food until stools are good consistency.  At 445 calories per cup my 24 pounders (indoor pugs) would only need a slight 3/4 cup a day, maybe a hair less.

  • Tony in Vegas

    Yes, Jan that’s what I meant. I should have been more clear. Their schedule for going hasn’t changed, but when they do it’s quite runny. I never had this issue with all of the TOTW varieties I have tried. I’ll try the pumplin and feeding less for now. Thanks so much for the suggestions. I’ll let you know what Earthborn says when (if) I get a reply to my email inquiry.

  • Alexandra

    Hi Tony,

    I would try feeding a little bit less to see if that “firms things up”.

    You can also try adding a little but of pure pumpkin as well.

  • Jan_Mom2Cavs

    I can’t speak for Tony, of course, but maybe he means they are having only a few bms, but they’re runny.  Maybe he considers full blown diarrhea multiple runny bms, occuring very often…?…just a conjecture lol. 

  • InkedMarie

     I feel stupid asking, what are diarrhea symptoms, if not runny stool? It’s possible this variety of Earthborn isn’t working for them. What TOTW variety were they eating?

  • Tony in Vegas

    I just started feeding my 11 year old twin long hair Chihuahuas Earthborn Holistic Primitive Natural kibble, introducing it slowly for a week with the previous Taste of the Wild Grain Free kibble. Since they have been totally on the Earthborn, both of their stool is very runny, although they are not experiencing diarrhea symptoms. I never had this issue with any of the other grain free products I’ve used. I do feed them a little wet food along with the kibble, but I’ve always done that. Any guidance on this. I emailed Earthborn, but no reply yet. Thanks! 

  • Alexandra

    I have fed it before to my mix Booker, and he did well on it. Had a very nice coat.

    Haven’t tried it on Dante.

  • Jan_Mom2Cavs

    Thanks, Alexandra.  Like I said, I wasn’t sure about it.  I don’t feed EB, but would consider it.  I think it’s a decent food.

  • Alexandra

    Hi Jan,

    If I recall correctly, Midwestern also makes Pro-pac.

  • Jan_Mom2Cavs

    Just go to Earthborn’s website….and it’ll say on their contacts that they are made at Midwestern Pet Foods located in Indiana.  I believe they are a family owned company.  I’m not certain if they only make Earthborn, but I think so….someone with more knowledge will respond on this, I’m sure.

  • Blacklabs13

    Hey, I was wondering if anyone knew WHERE in the U.S. Earthborn Holistic is made. I work at a pet food retailer and I decided to look it up since I feed my dogs the food ( as a switch from taste of the wild.) I cannot find it anywhere. I want to know if it is made on shared equipment.

  • Shonlei

    Hey there all, I do thank you all for the advice.. sandy can you tell me what else I can do for demodex mange on my own or if anyone else knows.. that vet bill killed me every month and her last visit they said she was clean, but we need to watch it close. I never went back due to finacial issues. She seems fine. Now I’m just tryin new foods. Earth borne just tried, but she seems to be licking now, but seems to really like. So I’m really not sure if I wanna go with instinct, which I had her on for a week and now issues I believe besides the hard stools. Merrick which was reformulated that she has been on and gives her dark green nice firm stools. It will always be a back up. Yes I’m a lucky pit owner than can switch foods and not have any issues :) runners up! Between the 3, what would you guys say on opionins and the ingrediants? I was so hoping that with merrick that the kibble would be differant now and smell good. To me it really makes me wonder, all the ingrediants changed and for the better, but it still seems like the old original one. All help and opionins, please..

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    As Melissa said, demodex can take a long time to go away.  A good food is not the only thing that you can do to help.  Also avoid medications such as antibiotics, flea and tick meds, heartworm meds as these take a toll on the immune system.

  • dugitup – Canine fact checker

     Shonlei

    Horizon Legacy has a Salmon formula that contains no potatoes or chicken at all, not even chicken fat!

    Horizon Legacy always contains fresh meat (in this case salmon) as it’s first ingredient. Fresh meat is always nice to see as the first ingredient rather than a powdered, rendered meat meal.

    Horizon Legacy Salmon formula does not contain any chicken or turkey ingredients. Other companies use chicken and or turkey products like chicken fat, chicken meal and turkey meal in ALL of their products. I believe they do this to lower cost as chicken and turkey fats and meals are cheaper than fish fats and meals.

    Here is a quote from Champion that points out some of the benefits of their foods:

    “We own our manufacturing facility; we source all of our own ingredients
    and put them under very rigorous testing before they are used within the
    food. It’s important to know that many pet food manufacturers do not
    own their own facility and therefore cannot assure the same quality
    control standards and they simply cannot know where their ingredients
    are sourced from. We not only know our suppliers, they are very often
    our neighbors and that’s a distinction we think you should know and take
    comfort in.”

    BTW I make all of my dogs meals from meats, fruits and veggies that I buy in my local supermarkets and I would be happy to consult with anyone who is interested in formulating a homemade recipe for your dogs.

    I recommend various kibbles to people based on their dogs individual needs when home prepared meals are not an option.

    dugitup@hotmail.com

  • melissa

    hit send too soon : ) In really severe cases of demodex, it can take months upon months for the coat to grow back in thick. The last three we fostered with it, it took nearly a year for the last one to have a gorgeous coat. She seemed to have periodic flareups of yeast until we went grain free.

  • melissa

    Shonlei-

    Well, in regards to the demodex, you are on the right course. Feeding higher quality foods(and I found grain free best) really helps them recover from it. I have heard from others that Instinct gives their dog very hard stool, and I have never seen that. Perhaps because I add water and canned? Perhaps if you have not done so, that may work for your girl?

  • allen schroeder

    I had the exact same issue…rescued a pit bull, major allergies and health problems, specifically digestive.  His stool was diarrheatic for almost a year and a half.  It sucked, we tried everything.  Then I tried Primal raw diet, which cured his problems in less than a week.  It was costing me 200 bucks a month on this diet, but once I got his immune system stabilized after a year of doing this, I was able to put him on high quality kibble.  The only think he would eat, have normal stool (and not terrible terrible gas) was Earthborn Holistic Primitive Natural.  I’ve had him on it for almost a year, and let me tell you, his coat is so nice, his weight is normal again, his appetite is better than it’s ever been, even when he was on the raw.  This is by far the best kibble out there, highest quality ingredients, owned by a family and not a corporation, who has shareholders demand percentage increasing, forcing the company to use cheaper ingredinents as time goes on (without telling the customers, dogs just get sick, then recalls start happening) anyways, don’t ever buy from corporate dog food companies, only family owned, it’s all about the shareholders demanding more money.  Also Earthborn doesn’t use ethoxyquin to preserve fish in the dog food, nor does the supplier (fisherman) they use vitamin E, most other dog food companies can’t guarantee that.    

  • LabsRawesome

     Just so I don’t seem too crazy, the part about the Pit was for Shonlei. lol.  :)

  • LabsRawesome

     Welcome Kafkabeetle, my cousin has a Pit, sweetest dog ever! To post a picture just click on the + image at the bottom of the box that you are writing your post in. It will take you to your computer files, where you can pick a picture, once you click on the pic you want, it will appear under your post.   :)

  • Kafkabeetle

    Aw, you caught me! ;p Not sure how to add a picture but I’m sure I’ll figure it out in due time.

  • InkedMarie

    forgot to say, thanks for rescuing!

  • InkedMarie

    What exactly is the allergic reaction she’s having? You mentioned maybe potatoes; this is a list of grainfree foods that have no white potatoes:

    Darford Zero, Instinct, Canine Caviar, Horizon Legacy, Nutrisca, Brothers Allergy, Back to Basics pork, Grandma Lucy’s, Nutrisource, The Honest Kitchen’s Zeal and Earthborn

    You have to look at all of their varieties to see which of them are potato free but it’s a starting point

  • Shonlei

    Hello all, rookie here! Lol.. I ve recently saved a pit and since than I’ve been playin with her foods. I’m lookin for a decent food. She was on totw, but I notice she was having a allegeric reaction, so I’ve since than swithed her. Not really sure what she is allergic to, but I think potatoes, maybe chicken not sure. So I’ve had her on merrick, that gives her nice solid green stools, but she still has a thin coat that points me to allergies still. We tried instinct she’s ok with, but than her stools are to hard, which I heard due from the clay ingrediant. Now I’m gonna try earthborn primitive, but don’t know if that a good call.. I’m just so frustrated on what to give her.. suggestions please! She is on the new formulated merrick, that now has sweet pot instead. Toss on instinct and earthborne now!! Also she had demodex mange that cost me millions and not sure if she still recovering from that.. help please and thank you

  • Shawna

    Hi William Moran and welcome!! :)

    I too agree with Hound Dog Mom and InkedMarie on all counts. 

    1.  Rotating the diet is a good thing.  Many of us regulars here on DFA recommend diet rotation.  Dr. Mike has a great article on it  http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/frequently-asked-questions/diet-rotation-for-dogs/

    2.  Like HDM and Inked I prefer grain free but many here have better luck with some grain.  Although most of those that like grains keep them to a minimum.  Pitty’s (my fave breed :) seem to have a higher incidence of allergies and intolerances (even though your’s is healthy now) and grains are often the culprit.  And as HDM mentioned — they are not necessary in a canines diet.

    3.  UTI’s and crystals — it has been proven in cats that diets too high in carbohydrates cause the urine to become to alkaline.  It is alkaline urine that allows crystals to form.  This has not been yet proven in dogs but some vets and others feel that carbs also contribute to canine struvite crystals.  Vet Dr. Karen Becker recommends a high protein diet for patients with struvite crystals.  UTI’s also cause the urine to become alkaline – hence the connection between UTI’s and crystals.

    4.  Most UTIs are caused by e-coli.  Cranberry’s and blueberry’s have a chemical in them that prevents UTI’s.  If UTI’s are frequent however, I would suggest getting a supplement called D-Mannose.  D-Mannose prevents and even treats UTI’s caused by e-coli.  It can be added to the food at the first sign of an infection.

    5.  Struvite crystals are formed from phosphorus (high in foods like meat and grains) and magnesium.  However limiting the diet in magnesium unnecessarily can cause unwanted side effects.  Example — a diet too low in magnesium can cause seizures.  Phosphorus is also important in the diet.  Adequate amounts are necessary for healthy bones, teeth and even gums – among other health benefits.

    I would LOVE to see a picture of your Pit/Boxer mix..  I’m having a hard time picturing what such a mix would look like :)   I bet she is ADORABLE!!

  • InkedMarie

    HDM said pretty much everything I would except when one of mine had struvite crystals, I added some canned food and warm water to the kibble, for a nice stew. Getting liquid into them is the most important thing. It’s fine to feed the Earthborn, I prefer grainfree but you can try the grain inclusive if you want to. My dog, who was 34lbs, took one 500mg Vitamin C a day but you’re best to ask your vet about that. 

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Hi William,

    As long as the crystals have been removed and the infection is gone there’s no reason she needs to be on a special diet. If she’s prone to recurring stones/infections some preventative measures that can be taken are: monitoring urine pH with test strips, a cranberry supplement, vitamin c, and probiotics. I would also add water to the kibble to increase moisture content.

    Here’s some information:

    http://www.whole-dog-journal.com/issues/13_4/features/Detecting-Urinary-Stones-Dogs_16215-1.html

  • William Moran

    Hi Hound Dog Mom, 

    I forgot to mention that my girl just had a struvite crystal removed from her bladder less than 2 months ago from a bad UTI and a high PH. I read on a comment here at a diet high in protein and magnesium can cause a high PH and more crystals to form. Do you know if this is true? 

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Hi William,

    I would recommend the grain-free formula over the grain inclusive formula. Dogs have no need for grains and the grain-free food is much higher in protein. I also wouldn’t limit yourself to one flavor – rotate through all four, it will give your dog variety.

  • William Moran

    Hi i’m new to the site. I was hoping you guys could give me a little guidance. Just stopped feeding my dog Diamond Naturals because of the recall and heard about Earthborn Hollistic being higher quality dog food. They have so many types of Earthborn hollistic dry dog food that I’m not sure which to get. I like the idea of grain-free for my girl but not sure if it’s whats best. A little background info. She’s a 6 year old pit bull/boxer mix and we live in NYC so activity isn’t overly high besides the 30 minute walks she gets 3 times a day. She has no digestive issues that I am aware of and she is a healthy weight. Should I be getting the Earthborn with grains or grain-free? Which flavor out of meadow, primitive, coastal or great plains seems to be the fan favorite? Any help you can give is appreciated. Thanks!

  • InkedMarie

    I know you! Put a picture of Sydney up!

  • Kafkabeetle

    There are already reviews of those. The regular formula got a 2 and the Just Six Formula got a 3. 

  • Melissa Olund

    This food is great. I’m beginning a protein rotation with it after taking my dogs off TOTW when it was recalled.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZOHT6ZZJUDBYNJDVMFQM6KVOWU TheyCallUsMonmouth

    I just switched to Blue Buffalo and will try that for a while. However, I need a more cost effective solution. Whoever uses this, share with me your experiences and thoughts (the good AND the bad). For a teen, I’ve never researched this much dog food in my life. :D

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZOHT6ZZJUDBYNJDVMFQM6KVOWU TheyCallUsMonmouth

     Can you review Rachel Ray’s dog food brand? If it is already on here, I apologize and don’t know its rating. I’ll laugh when I see this! :D

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com/ Mike Sagman

    Hi Lucy,

    Good news. I’ve added the new Earthborn canned dog food to our To Do list.

    Thanks for the tip.

  • lucy

    Did you guy’s see that earthborn came out with a canned food for dogs?  YAY!

  • Thea

    Did anybody experience rectal glans problems with their dogs feeding Primitive Natural?

  • Thea

    Sorry!Did realise that it actually is 7th of January!Sorry,my mistake!

  • Thea

    How can an update be on 1 st of July 2012 when today is only26 th of June 2012

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com/ Mike Sagman

    Hi HappyWithLife,

    I’m not sure why you posted this comment about ethoxyquin. Please notice in the review above I state, “Thankfully, unlike most fish meals, this particular item appears to be ethoxyquin free”.

    This is statement includes a footnote link which includes reference to an email I received from Earthborn confirming this information on 4/19/2010.

  • Happywithlife

    Per Cindy Montgomery all Earthborn products are ethexyquin free. This was a email I received back from them.

    David from MinnesotaDavid,All of our products and ingredients are ethoxyquin-free.Cindy MontgomeryVP, MarketingMidwestern Pet Foods, Inc.9634 Hedden RoadEvansville, IN 47725

  • http://www.facebook.com/pskrobankova Petra Škrobánková

    HI,IM FROM CZECH REP. AND HAVE 2 DOGS. 3,5 YEARS OLD BEAGLE AND 3/4 OLD PUPPY SHARPEI. I BUY ONLY THIS EARTHBORN AND SOMETIMES 
    ARDEN GRANGE .MY DOGS ARE HAPPY AND I TOO. PETRA.

  • Shawna

    Hi Lise ~~ I agree with Bryan Van Dusen..  Although your pups are doing a good job at not overeating —- the fats in the food become rancid quite easily when exposed to light and air.  Vitamin E is added to the foods to prevent premature rancidity but vitamin E also begins to degrade when exposed to air and heat.

    By the time the pups finish the food the fats are likely rancid and can cause a whole host of ill effects :( ..

  • http://www.facebook.com/bryanv21 Bryan Van Dusen

    I wouldn’t advise free feeding dogs. If you want to feed them 3 cups a day (or whatever), then keep it that way. Don’t keep refilling their bowl just because it’s empty.

  • Lise

    Hi! I live in South Africa (SA) where we have very few of the really good dry dog food brands available. The ‘premium brands’ here (available at all veterinarians) are Eukenuba, Royal Canin and Hills… Sadly I’ve been feeding my three small breed shelter dogs these foods (two of them since they were pups) out of pure ignorance. I’ve supplemented with cooked eggs, minced beef and chicken livers once or twice a week. More recently Orijen, Earthborn and Acana have become available via online stores in SA (at considerable expense, especially Orijen). Now all three my dogs are on Earthborn and I’ve had no problems thus far. I changed their food gradually and added Protexin to their water and they did not have any digestion problems (stools are perfect). Their energy levels are good and they love the taste of the kibble. I free feed and even though they have a few mouthfuls more often now, they are not eating that much more than before. 

  • Jess

    I have heard garlic in large amounts can harm dogs, but I have never found any proof. I still keep Tonys intake of garlic to a min.

    http://www.missouriscenicrivers.com/baddogfoods.html

    http://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php?page=badingredients

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    Have you tried reducing his feeding amount? The only time my dogs will have soft stool is if they eat too much. For my foster dogs, the food that makes their output solid real quick since they don’t get a transition period is Brothers Complete Red Meat. You can try adding some of this to his current Earthborn food.

  • instagram@porterft

    If you check out the Natural Balance L.I.D. forum on this site, you will see some reviews from some people who bought the brand for their pets. This consumer reports website also offers some information about it: 
    http://www.consumeraffairs.com/pets/natural_balance.html I hadn’t heard anything about it either until I got on this site and saw other consumer reviews, then I did a Google search and found a little bit of information about it. I don’t think there is much literature on dog food readily available, so owners really have to exercise caution when figuring out their pet’s diet. Of course, the best course of action is to consult a vet.

  • instagram@porterft

    The high protein content of Earthborn made him have loose stools and we waited for over a month to see if the looseness was due to him adjusting to the new food, but when it didn’t improve, we decided to switch after consulting with our vet. He breaks out in hives when he eats anything with a high grain content. We found out after feeding him Blue Buffalo (Puppy formula, not grain-free), which was why we switched him to Earthborn in the first place. A couple of books that we read about Bulldogs also listed some common allergies for the breed, and chicken always seemed to be on there, so we try to be careful about it. We’re still shopping around for the right brand, hopefully we find one soon.

  • http://www.facebook.com/bryanv21 Bryan Van Dusen

     I’m curious, where did you read or hear about dog deaths in regards to the recall? I’ve never heard of a dog even getting sick, let alone dying.

  • Jan_Mom2Cavs

    That is a fine place to start, but I was wondering why you are feeding NB’s LID food.  Does your dog have an allergy or intolerance?  Just remember, not all foods on the link provided are hypo-allergenic.  There is a list on this site, however, of hypo-allergenic foods if you would like to start there.  I need a somewhat limited food for my crew as some of them have sensitive stomachs and intolerances to certain things.  I used to feed Natural Balance but have switched to Pinnacle for them.  Currently, they are eating the Salmon grain free (although it does have potatoes, it’s working fine).  I have also used their Trout and Swt. Pot. non-grain free and it was fine.  I plan on rotating to their Turkey grain free when this bag of Salmon is done.  Good luck!

  • instagram@porterft

    We are currently feeding him Natural Balance L.I.D. but are thinking about switching it because of news of recalls and instances of dog deaths. A fellow site user recommended that we check out this link: 
    http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/best-dog-foods/best-grain-free-dog-foods/best-grain-free-dog-foods-dry/

  • Jan_Mom2Cavs

    Sorry to butt in, but I like a product from a company called Springtime, Inc.  It’s called Bug-off Garlic.  It comes in chew tablets or dry powder.  It is supposed to be safer than regular garlic?  I’ve used it for years with my dogs for insect control.  Check ‘em out….
    http://www.springtimeinc.com

  • LA

    Hello what do you have your Bulldog on now?   I am a show handler/breeder of bulldogs.

  • LA

    My dad had hunting dogs and every day they would give raw garlic to the dogs – with no problems – also running through the fields they never had ticks or fleas, The only thing with the garlic is make sure it is USA made and not China.  The garlic from China goes through radiation before coming over.   

  • instagram@porterft

    We switched our English bulldog over to this brand because he developed hives after being on Blue Buffalo (not the grain free kind) for a couple of months. At first, I was really impressed with it because his coat started to look better and he started to look healthier outwardly, plus he really loved the way it tastes! My boyfriend pointed out, however, that although our problem with the hives went away, our dog’s stools were always wet. Initially, we attributed it to the fact that he was adjusting to the nutritional content of the new food, but after a month a half with no improvement, we decided to switch to another brand after consulting with our vet.

  • viki

    Sandl2151942- they no longer use synthetic vitamin k in the foods and theres nothing wrong with chicken meal, its basically ground and dehydrated meat/bone that often use a concentrated protein source in kibble. 

  • hounddogmom12

    Garlic contains allicin which is a a powerful antioxidant and over 200 other vitamins, minerals, amino acids & enzymes that support overall health. It is also a natural way to deter fleas and ticks and personally I would be more nervous about Advantix or Frontline than a little bit of garlic in my dogs food…

  • GSDGal ;)

    Greyhoundlover,

    Where have you done your research? I feed my dogs garlic on a regular basis to get rid of/prevent parasites. It’s much safer and easier on a dogs system than the stuff you get from your vet to get rid of worms or other parasites and it boost the immune system instead of compromising it. Also from what I know garlic is only a problem if fed in Humongous amounts. I have 6 dogs and haven’t had a single problem with it to date. Just another dog lovers findings though. I feed this food to several of them and they Love it! :)

  • greyhoundlover

    I am SHOCKED that this gets 5 stars with GARLIC & 2 other “red” items. Any ingrediant like Garlic with “rare” problems, but totally unnecessary for dogs (except for taste) does not get served to my dog.  My vet’s bad items for dogs chart lists Garlic and i’ve done research.  If it’s in such small amounts, why bother putting it in?

  • melissa

    Sandl215942-

    Where does it show artificial vitamin K? I don’t see any. Also-of course it has chicken meal. Why would it not? Dry foods all have some sort of meal in them, the question is whether or not its a named protein source.

    What kind/brand of food are you feeeding?

  • Sandl215194

    There is nothing special about this food…..I don’t get it.  It definitely is not “holistic”.  Chicken meal????? what else is in it.

  • Sandl2151942

    They use artifical vitamin k which is a known liver destroyer.  You recommend this???????????

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  • Deb

    I too have just started one of my Dalmatians on this because of problems with yeast infections (ears).  Just finished week one – he loves it.

  • CHAR

    I was also feeding my two havanese Diamond (natural small breed). I was very concerned when I researched Diamond after this recent recall and especially disappointed to learn that the probem was not caught by diamonds quality control but by Michigans health department after a man became ill also Diamonds numerous previous recalls and pet deaths.  I am trying out Earthborns holistic primitive natural.  My dogs have recently been having problems with yeast infections (ears and feet) .  Hope this food helps.

  • Josebully1 !!!!!

    I had my American bullies on natures domain, they were getting dry coats and very skinny. Now I feed them earth born primitive and wow back to thick ass bullies again. I wonder if the recalls could also hit California??? Any coments on that????

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/BMYAKNC4IC6ZLYQLWTW77TIE5E Heidi

    After 3 years of trying various premium, high protein kibbles, I have decided that Earthborn Holistic primitive natural grain free is a good choice.  Not quite as pricey as some of the other premium kibbles, probably because they don’t waste money on advertising (which the customer ends up paying for).  It smells good (I always give the bag a good sniff – wholesome food smells good), her coat is nice and shiny and her stools are consistently firm and regular.  My dog is a very active Labrador who does several miles a day with me and has a very high energy level.

  • Vonwolff

    I contacted this company. They manufacture their products at their own facilities. The Primitive is made at Monmouth,Ill.
    I am switching to this since TOTW is a Diamond manufactured product…I’m disgusted about it, but with this being the second big Diamond recall in the last few years…I can’t see any better option than to sitch off of ANY Diamond produced food.

  • Laura

    what is the ash content in the small breed formula of Earthborn Holistic?   thanks-

  • Skyetrekker

    Taste of the Wild is a Diamond Product, recently had another recall for salmonella.  Please research this food.  I had been feeding it too, never again.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com/ Mike Sagman

    Hi PoochDad,

    Cooking temperature shouldn’t have anything to do with the ash content of a food.

    Ash is what’s left of any living organism after all its protein, fat and carbs have been metabolized (burned away).

    What’s left after a body is cremated is known as ash. And it’s what’s left after a pet food is burned away.

    Ash is simply the minerals that were there in the raw ingredients at the time the product was made.

    The minerals in a dog food are primarily the product of bone ingredients and the mineral supplements added to the recipe.

    Ash is a normal part of any (human or pet) food. It’s not the ash that can be a problem – it’s the amount of ash in the food.

    Excessive ash can create skeletal problems for large breed puppies, kidney disease and other health issues.

    Yet minerals are essential for every living thing – plant and animal. No food will ever be ash-free.

    Hope this helps.

  • PoochDad

    I’ve emailed several manufacturers this week about ash content. All of the foods I’ve used in rotation for my cancer pooch seem have ash contents of 10%-12%…except Orijen (7.5%). Orijen has lower protein and fat levels than the following foods as well. I’m not sure if cooking temperature has anything to do with ash but Orijen claims to use lower temps than any of the other high protein companies I’ve used.

    EVO
    Barking At The Moon
    Instinct
    Artemis Maximal Dog

  • Annapchs1

    This food is nOt good for small breeds I know of 3 people who fed this and the dogs all developed bladder stones and had increased shedding and rashes developed

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  • Meagan

    Yes it is 12% as fed, I emailed the company. I would rather not feed a food higher than 8%.

  • monkey

    What is the percentage of ash? 12%? That is all i could find but it was on a message board.

  • Meagan

    I think I wil be switching Patch to TOTW Sierra Mountain. The ash percent in this Primitive Natural food makes me nervous.

  • Copper’smom

    I tried The Earthborn Primitive for my 2 y/o English Lab. She loved it but I also realized the caloric content of this food is 300-400  more Kcal/cup! Labs can get overweight just looking at food unless they’re working dogs. She gained 2 lbs in less than a 28 lb bag of food! I was only feeding her 1 3/4 C/day. Not much food for a 67lb dog.
    I did find that her stool quantity was reduced and only 1x per day usually. More food being digested and used less filler, I’m sure.

    I have switched her to Taste of the Wild Bison for a quality 5 star food with fewer calories, 380 kcal/cup, I believe.

    Thanks for this site and to all who offer comment.

  • Markde101

    i recently bought the ocean fusion, as i believe my dog has an allergy to the her current food(either wheat products or chicken), the ocean fusion was recommended  because of no chicken and no wheat,etc.how long will it take to see if the new food fixes the problem

  • Meagan

    Patches really loves this food. YAY

  • Meagan

    I have finally started Patches on the Primitive Natural. It is day 3 and she so far seems to enjoy it.

  • Darkenwaldkees

    Thanks monkey for clearing that up. I had read on another food analysis site that synthetic vitamin K was used in this food and I used the wrong term when looking for it in the ingredients. Nice to see it is not there as my dogs love this food and I am great results using it!

  • Crittercherub

    My American Bulldog can’t handle the potatos that are in most grain frees as a binder.  Evo Salmon has worked will but I can see some difference in the product since they were bought out. The grain free food has been a miracle. I have had him on it since it came out years ago and before the grain free food his ear infections were so severe I considered putting him down to end his agony.  Food makes such a difference!

  • monkey

    Darkenwaldkees, i think you are referring to Menadione, a synthetic vitamin K.

  • Darkenwaldkees

    What about the dl-methionine in the food? I have read that that is controversial and may cause liver problems.

  • Ewong01

    Is this one good for puppies? I hear their puppy version is not as good.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Richard,

    The protein, fat or carbohydrate percentage will always be the same no matter what unit of volume or weight is selected.

    For example, if the food claims to contain 28% protein, then 28% of each cup (or each biscuit of kibble) will always contain 28% protein.

    Hope this helps.

  • Richard J Breard

    How do they measure the percentage of protein? By the cup or by the kibble?

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Victoria,

    I think I solved the mystery. The site you’re accessing is Earthborn’s “international” website. These are for products sold outside the US.

    If you remove the word “international” from the URL web address, you’ll be taken to the company’s regular website.

    Hope this helps.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Again, according to the Earthboarn Holistic Primitive Natural website, the turkey meal is still there. I don’t see any changes to this formula.

  • M Ward1993

    the protein level is still the same on primitive natural. I guess they took the turkey meal out because it is poultry and it is so similar to chicken?

  • melissa

    Michelle-

    Thanks!

  • Victoria

    I think theres a glitch on their website, because I go on their main site, then formulas, it gives me this link”
    http://www.earthbornholisticpetfood.com/international/dog_formulas/primitive_natural/ 
    Chicken Meal, Whitefish Meal, Potatoes, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Egg, Tomato Pomace, Apples, Blueberries, Carrots, Peas, Spinach, Garlic, Yucca, Taurine, Cottage Cheese, L-Lysine, DL-Methionine, Beta-Carotene, Vitamins, Minerals, Probiotics.