Propylene Glycol — Dog Food Aid or Automotive Antifreeze?

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Propylene glycol is a controversial additive used to help preserve the moisture content in some commercial dog foods.

Propylene Glycol AntifreezeYou may already recognize this chemical for its more infamous use — as the key component in newer automotive antifreeze.

However, propylene glycol is considerably safer (less toxic) than its far more dangerous cousin — ethylene glycol.

Yet because of its proven ability to cause a serious type of blood disease in some animals — Heinz body anemia — propylene glycol has been banned by the FDA for use in cat food.

But unfortunately, it can still be used to make dog food.

Propylene Glycol in Dog Food
The Bottom Line

Propylene glycol is probably safe — in small, infrequent doses.

Yet unlike most humans who are inclined to vary their diets with each meal, dogs are typically fed the same food on a perpetual basis — meal-after-meal, every day for a lifetime.

And it’s that continuous exposure to a synthetic substance like propylene glycol that tends to keep us up at night.

For this important reason, pet owners may wish to consider the potential long term consequences of including this or any other non-nutritive additive in any food when making a purchase.

  • mary

    I lost my poodle in October. I did not know about this additive. I usually fed her another brand. within two weeks of ingestion she was gone. my heart aches she had never been sick a day in her life. is this a good thing for our pets? the company says it’s safe. so why have so many become sick and or died?

  • Jennie

    Beautiful babies!

  • Crazy4cats
  • Brandi

    Thank you. She was a one of a kind and we used to joke when we left her at home that she would be fine because she would probably be reading a book or teaching the German Shephard how to read :) she was a very intelligent pet.

    Thank you again and appreciate your wishes for us and our Shepard.

    Hope you are having a great time and are loving your new family member just as you did your Maltese.

  • JeremyScottRenolds

    I’m sorry for the loss of Winny. Our 3 year old maltese passed away recently and I know the heartache. We got another dog and it has helped ease some of the pain. May you share a long and healthy life with your German Shephard.

  • Brandi

    we have no idea if it was this specific additive or the others. She presented with the same symptoms as other pets who’ve passed and then we found the research with our food and treats.

  • glitch31

    How many other additives were in the treats and food? How do you know it was this specific additive?

  • Crazy4dogs

    Hmmmm…..

  • theBCnut

    OK?…

  • DAVID DOYLE

    PLEASE …

  • ILoveMyGermanShepard

    I found it in one of her treats too. It was in the Milk bone Soft and Chewy treats. I also found it is some human food – pls. be careful and read ALL labels!

  • Logan B.

    That’s not necessarily true. Chocolate, onions, grapes, and garlic are all dangerous to dogs but not to people.

  • Nicole Erika

    this is in my dogs treats :( pedigree stackerz freaking unbelievable

  • ILoveMyGermanShepard

    Thank you for your words of kindness, it means the world to me! We still have no answers, but with each passing day it is becoming clearer that we will have to put her down due to this…(I blame the dog food) Pls. watch everything – we can’t seem to trust the makers of the food – shame on them! Also, pls. give your pup an extra hug and kiss, for we never know what tomorrow holds.

  • Erin Childs

    I’m so sorry you’re going through this! I just checked our dog treats and found one with propylene glycol in it. “Probably safe” just isn’t good enough when it comes to our pets!

  • JeremyScottRenolds

    Yes, I have researched vaccine safety. The countries that have the heaviest vaccines schedules have the highest autism rates. Todays Mercola article stated most of the peer reviewed studies on vaccines are not to be trusted…
    “When one reviews most of the pharma-based trials on the safety of vaccines, you will see that they either use another vaccine as a placebo or the aluminum adjuvant and neither of those two constitutes a proper placebo.”

    By the way plenty of usa made pet food is full of chemically laden factory farmed meat, moldy grains and other disease causing crappy ingredients.

    It’s also hard to understand why you would put down animal rights activists who have done a great job at exposing the most horrific abuses against animals. I’d call the cruelty against animals extreme…not the people trying to help these innocents.

  • DogFoodie

    Yeah, I just checked my back issues when I was downstairs and saw the same information. I guess the rep didn’t mention the Value-line piece to me as they no longer use them (again, guessing, but that makes sense to me).

    I’m quite comfortable with the co-packers they use and how they use them. I’m particularly comfortable with how forthcoming they were with the information they shared.

    It’s refreshing to actually be able to trust a manufacturer and recommend them with confidence.

  • Crazy4dogs

    Yeah, stuff happens.

    Congenital heart defects are a tough diagnosis. Arthritis is usually easier to deal with. I’ve had large dogs with arthritis. One with arthritis from age 2 due to ACL tears that lived long past 14 years by feeding a good diet, supplements and proper exercise.

    There are things you can do to help the quality of life.

    You are correct about the murders from ethylene glycol. But it seems a bit silly to argue what point of how much of an artifical humectant is toxic. Regardless of what the toxic dose of propylene glycol is, it really shouldn’t be added to any foods, dog or human. Dogs don’t need a soft, sugary, artificially colored food or treat of any kind and neither do humans.

  • Dog_Obsessed

    Yes, I agree that over-vaccating is a thing. Yes, there can be problems with vaccinations. However, the original study saying that Autism was caused by vaccines has been long disproved, so please stop spreading that around the internet.

  • Mack

    To answer your question, I don’t think animals are being poisoned by this harmless additive. As I stated above that toxicity is all about QUANTITY. As long as the amount of Propylene Glycol stays under 5 grams per kilogram of body weight, there is no chance of toxicity.

    It would be nearly impossible to reach toxic levels by consuming foods or supplements, which contain at most 1 Gram per KG of Propylene Glycol.

    Dogs catch diseases or die from things other than food. We lost our 6 year-old Dobie to a congenital heart defect. She was doomed from birth. We also lost a 7 year-old Yorkie from arthritis causing his hip joints to gradually disintegrate. He broke his hip and we had to put him down.

    Stuff happens…

  • Crazy4dogs

    I’m sure yours is the most accurate as I have it from the Whole Dog Journal. Up until 2013, they listed any and all manufacturers. As of 2014, WDJ only lists self or co-packed but no longer includes the actual manufacturers used by the companies.

    I did list in my post to datroofhomez that as of 2013 it was not longer made by Diamond. I know Diamond is a red flag to many people.

  • DogFoodie

    OK, so your manufacturer information was dated 2013, right? Mine was a bit more recent, having been from a phone conversation with them last August. The Vita-line piece doesn’t match what they emphatically told me last August though. Interesting.

  • aquariangt

    I gave up on this thread a while ago :)

  • Crazy4dogs

    Just don’t go further into the new comments. It’s getting crazy up there :

  • aquariangt

    Yep, that’s where the confusion started i think. I edited to fix

  • Crazy4dogs

    aquariiangt, I think you mean Wellness is no longer manufactured by Diamond?

  • aquariangt

    Ok. I see my typo that may have spurred some confused. I wrote wellness is no longer manufactured by wellness, when i meant Diamond >.>

  • Crazy4dogs

    Sometimes this thread is crazy to follow. I was replying to the post from datroofhomez who posted to me it was made by Diamond. I hate inaccurate posts. Wellness was copacked by Diamond in 2012.

    As of 2013 Wellness was made in Indiana in their own Wellpet plant and does copack with – Hagen Pet Foods, Waverly, NY; and Vita-line Products, Inc., Hazleton, PA as of 2013 and beyond per WDJ approved foods list.

    It’s interesting and kind of sad that WDJ no longer lists the actual manufacturers as of the 2014 list.

  • DogFoodie

    OK, I didn’t see her post below yours at first. It sounds like maybe they no longer use CJ Foods, but use Vita-line instead now. Of course were now seven months later, but I bet they still manufacture the majority in house, and just use the co-packers for overflow. Hagen is great – no concerns there. I’m not familiar with Vita-line though.

  • aquariangt

    That’s what I thought too-the most recent notes i had match yours. They’ve been forthcoming with their copackers though which is why i trust them. C4D’s post below makes me wonder though. I haven’t used them in a long while honestly, but still like CORE. Maybe I’ll shoot them an email

  • DogFoodie

    Hey, I’m confused. Did something change?

    I actually looked back through my comment history and found where I posted this seven months ago following a phone conversation with one of their customer service reps.

    “From what I understand, prior to bringing the majority of their production in-house, Wellpet used co-packers which included Hagen in New York and CJ Foods in Oklahoma. They continue to use those additional co-packers for overflow Wellness dry food production as needed. All of their other brands; ie: Holistic Select; and Eagle Pack are manufactured in-house at Wellpet.

    They previously used Diamond for overflow co-packing as well, but severed all ties with them following historical recalls.

    The Wellpet representative I spoke with was very helpful and willingly offered the information I requested. She welcomed anyone with questions or concerns to call Wellpet at 800/225.0904.”

  • ILoveMyGermanShepard

    Freedom was a beautiful dog my deepest sympathies go out to you.

    I know what you are going through and what you are feeling because I had no idea about this ” un-named” dog food either, and now my beloved Shepard is fighting for her life. The hell I am watching her go through is breaking my heart 1000x over.

  • ILoveMyGermanShepard

    I to share the same story as many of you, I have a beautiful German
    Shepherd, she is fighting for her life at the moment. Blood tests are
    all normal with the exception of her liver tests. She too ate that
    unnamed brand of dog food that had Propylene Glycol in it. Tomorrow she
    goes for a sonogram to see exactly what is going on, but she is
    lethargic, not eating (throws up whatever we give her), she had a lot of
    bloat which they are giving her meds for – (Dr. said it was symptomatic
    of the liver or kidneys failing.) I am so mad and very heartbroken over all
    this and at the moment all I can say is “shame on this unnamed company
    for killing so many treasured and loved pets!” To all those who lost
    their pets, my deepest sympathies go out to you all, I know the
    heartbreak you have and are feeling, because I too fear my beloved
    German Shepherd may be just another statistic to this nightmare. There
    is nothing satisfactory that can give me back what I want the most – I
    want my happy and healthy GS back that they stole from me!

  • Kim Graves

    Killing babies? Unvaccinated kids are killing babies! Go research it and not the anti vaxx websites or freedomthoughtproject or any of those ridiculous sites.

    Extremists is what a bunch of you are. Animal activists like the anti vaxxers. Sorry but i highly doubt dog food companies in the usa are killing dogs as they need repeat customers. Now china made food products thats a diff story as they dont like us but love our money and they do not see dogs and cats as family members.

    Hell they were using lead paint on kids toys then when caught and recalled they used a carcinogen

  • Kim Graves

    I could not agree with you more mack. These anti vaxxers drive me totally insane. In my opinion you dont want to vaccinate good refrain from taking your kids out in public where they may infect children too young to be vaccinated or people with immunity issues

  • Kim Graves

    So i guess my question is do you think this additive is killing dogs all over? I have given my dogs carryout brand treats forever. One dog passed after 15 yrs of natural causes she only ever had those my other dog died at 6 from lymphoma. My current dog will be 3 in august she has had them from day one when we got her. No diarrhea not tremors or any bloody stool. I think people are going insane in my opinion researching all these ingredients etc in human food and dog food and making themselves crazy.

    I do think some additives are slowly making people sick. I mean autism is so common now, my son is 26 and back then i knew one kid with it now i know over a dozen. I myself have fibro and chronic pain and fatigue.

    Who knows what the cause of some of this crap is but pinpointing it on this treat or others how do you prove it.

    Myself i have seen my dogs get sick on beneful i felt it was the red pieces in the food myself

  • aquariangt

    Wellness is no longer manufactured by Wellness-as C4D mentioned. They are a brand I would trust pretty wholeheartedly nowadays

  • Mack

    You are confused.

    = = = = = = = =

    In regards to the first murder you cited:

    The Jello murder was done with **ETHYLENE** Glycol, not Propylene Glycol. Ethylene Glycol is poisonous. Propylene Glycol is not.

    Source:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynn_Turner_%28murderer%29

    = = = = = = = =

    In regards to the smoothie murder, from the article:

    “Tests determined he ingested **ETHYLENE** glycol, the main ingredient in antifreeze…”

    Source:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2012100/Woman-charged-putting-antifreeze-smoothie-murder-elderly-man-78.html#ixzz3Vnfgoh5U

    = = = = = = = =

    In regards to the sports drink murder, from the article:

    “…the county coroner at the time, ruled the cause of death to be chronic intoxication by **ETHYLENE** glycol, which is the active ingredient in antifreeze…”

    Source:
    http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2012/07/cleveland_woman_charged_with_2.html

    They may sound the same, but they are 2 completely different molecules.

    Nice try, though…

  • Kim Graves

    How odd you say its used in anti freeze to make it non lethal when quite a few people have used it to kill others once in jello another in a smoothie another a sports drink

  • Crazy4dogs

    I was suggesting some alternatives to SD. Taste of the Wild is not only manufactured, but actually is a Diamond product.
    I don’t personally feed it, but many people still feed Diamond products.

    Wellness did use Diamond in 2012. But as of 2013, per WDJ they use their own plant in Indiana and another copacker:

    -Whole Dog Journal Approved List 2013-

    Wellpet
    Tewksbury, MA. (800) 225-0904;
    holisticselect.com; wellnesspetfood.com
    Lines/types available – Holistic Select
    (12 varieties, including 1 grain-free); Core
    (5 grain-free varieties); Simple Food Solutions
    (4 varieties, including 2 grain-free); Complete
    Health Super5Mix (11 varieties).
    Made by – WellPet’s own plant, Mishawaka, IN;
    Hagen Pet Foods, Waverly, NY; and Vita-line Products, Inc., Hazleton, PA

  • datroofhomez

    Be careful about who manufacturers the food. For example Wellness & TOTW are manufactured by Diamond Pet Foods, the company that with so many recalls it may as well be Chinese.

  • DAVID DOYLE

    THANKS
    IT WAS ON THAT BIG MAJOR
    SOCIAL NETWORK
    IF I SAY THE
    COMPANY NAMES OR
    PRODUCT NAMES
    STUFF
    WILL NOT POST

  • theBCnut

    Nobody here will edit out anything due to you bad mouthing a bad food, but they will edit out foul language. Spell correctly and write cleanly.

  • Crazy4dogs

    So sad to hear. He is/was a beautiful dog.

  • DAVID DOYLE

    Help❗️

  • DAVID DOYLE

    Help

  • DAVID DOYLE

    hit view >>>

  • DAVID DOYLE

    “ꀸꍏꎭꀤʇꍏ꒒꒒꓄ꍏꃅꍟ꒒꒒!!?”
    they killed him or helped too❗️

    view photos >>>

  • DAVID DOYLE

    “” FREEDOM “”
    DOES HE LOOK ILL TO ANYONE OUT THERE ❓

  • DAVID DOYLE

    DEAD❗️

  • Crazy4cats

    So sad ;( I’m sorry.

  • DAVID DOYLE

    HIS NAME WAS “FREEDOM”
    number 5 of 9 Pups
    3/18/13 -12/18/14
    HE WAS THE PICK OF THEM ALL
    AND HE WAS PERFECT FANTASTIC BEAUTIFUL AND NOW
    HE. IS GONE ❗️

  • DAVID DOYLE

    I THINK IT KILLED ONE OF MY DOGS ⁉️‼️

  • Debbie Hills

    It’s in my salad dressing, will read labels more often.

  • GSDsForever

    Robert, it’s hard for busy veterinarians to keep up with all the healthful, well made food brands and formulas out there now. So many choices!

    Some vets will actually see your dog doing well & being super healthy on a food compared to its peers, listen to why you’ve chosen to feed a specific food (and what you’ve learned about the company & formula & ingredients) and take an interest in a new food. My vet did. She asked me to bring in the food so that she could see why my dog looked as good as he did, was thriving as a working dog with increased nutritional demands, etc. She wanted to be able to share with all her clients any & all foods where she was seeing positive results and had learned about a new good food & reviewed it herself. She counseled me to please keep feeding what I was feeding.

    There are actually veterinarian nutritionists out there, who are DACVN by degree & board certification.

    Most vets are not and nutrition is not something they receive much training in, much less have time & specialized interest to keep up with all the health food brands now on the market or even all the SD & Hill’s prescription formulas and reformulations, revisions that occur from time to time.

  • GSDsForever

    Any time I glance at this page w/its flurry of recent activity, it just keeps getting weirder and weirder and WEIRDER.

    It is just SO BIZARRE to me to have one or more persons hammering away on an intense mission to try to find ever more foods & drinks that we consume — all to try to prove that we ALL consume propylene glycol.

    And yet . . . how many times exactly do people need to respond that it is NOT in any of the foods & drinks in their fridges and pantries, even double checking labels??? No answers to all these evidence based rebuttals, which is telling.

    Rather than accept this and being WRONG, the accusatory list of foods, drinks, and everything else conceivable just keeps growing.

    Those shopping more selectively, reading the labels of the food & drink they buy, choosing stores and brands more health consciously and wisely are the ones called ignorant.

    Those feeding their pets foods that they can explain & defend (as nutritious and health promoting) every single ingredient and the formula’s guaranteed analysis + nutrient profile, its manufacturer, the brand’s quality standards and history, processing temperatures from raw to cooked, ingredient sourcing, explain AAFCO ingredient definitions and various governmental inspection standards affecting pet foods, etc. are called ignorant and needing to be better informed. SMH.

    Kudos to those aspiring for and actually doing better for themselves and their precious dogs!

  • Dan

    One of my dogs gets sick eating dog food made with propylene glycol. I found articles like this one by looking up my pets symptoms. She was walking drunk, vomiting, diarrhea, and very lethargic. After reading about propylene glycol I read my pet food ingredient lists, and switched to a safer product. The symptoms have disappeared.

  • Dori

    As for my replies to you. You told me to go to my cupboard (pantry) so that I can see all the food that I am consuming with PG. I went to my pantry and checked my fridge. There is no PG in anything that I have in my home or use. Then you listed a number of products that contain PG. Again, I replied to you that NO, none of this stuff is in my home. I don’t eat, feed or use products that contain PG. Is it possible that it’s in a lot of people’s home, sure, I wouldn’t doubt it at all. But your response was to me and again none of it is in my own. Not everyone that goes into a store just grabs items off shelves. A lot of us actually look at labels and read ingredients. I have no issue with your feeding your animals and yourself whatever you see fit. I don’t have issues with anyone feeding whatever they want to their animals and themselves. This is the USA. We have freedoms in this country. You suggested that I am feeding, eating, using products with PG. No, I don’t. I read labels, I look at ingredients, I don’t just look at pretty packaging and throw things into my shopping cart and obviously go through life.

  • aquariangt

    Again. I have never claimed that it was poisoning every time it was ingested. My point was, again, that you are attempting to justify crap ingredients in your food by saying they aren’t toxic. I don’t care if it’s toxic. Neither are many ingredients, but that doesn’t mean I’ll feed them to me, or my dogs. Millions of people eat fast food daily too, doesn’t make it healthy, so your Kraft comment is again, not on topic. Enjoy your kibbles n bits

  • Mack

    Millions of people buy Kraft salad dressings (just one of many household brands), but I haven’t heard of millions of people lining up at ERs across the country from PG poisoning.

    I must be in a news blackout area or something.

  • Dori

    I agree aquariangt. A lot of us actually look at ingredient labels before we purchase items. I’m guessing he doesn’t. I like annies products also.

  • aquariangt

    I mean, I don’t really eat ranch because Dairy and I don’t get along, so if im gonna feel sick, it won’t be because of ranch. But I buy this brand of dressing, usually (or the sprouts brand which I checked my bottle of Caesar the other day, also didn’t contain it):

    http://www.annies.com/products/dressings-oils/organic-cowgirl-ranch-dressing-8oz

    I don’t see PG anywhere on that label, so he is just going off the basis that we all buy the most mass produced item available

  • theBCnut

    Yeah, I’ve never bought a bottle of PG to add to any thing I make either. I have rejected several things because it was an ingredient in them though, but even so, they were never things I would use in every meal, every day.

  • aquariangt

    you’re forgetting the word “cheap” in most of those. We make a lot of that in house at the catering company, and we don’t add that into our cake, frosting, bbq sauce, ranch, or ice cream :)

  • Robert Klingenburg

    Right!!

  • Beverly Robb

    If PROPYLENE GLYCOL is dangerous to cats, WELL NEWS FLASH, IT’S DANGEROUS TO DOGS AND HUMANS TOO!!!!! The FDA scares the crap out of me.

  • Dori

    Well, there you have it! I don’t use any of those products. If you are eating or using those products then that is why you are seeing them on the packaging that you have purchased and are in your home. None of the items that you mentioned above do I use or are they in my home. Have a nice day!

  • Mack

    So, then, it’s the dog’s physiology and not the food. That’s what I’m trying to say. If it was the ingredients in the food, then every single dog would be reacting…

    Some people are allergic to peanuts. It’s not the peanuts that are the issue, it is the person’s physiology… Same thing.

  • Mack

    It the owner fed the dogs Kibbles and Bits for a while and no reaction was manifested, the owner could immediately eliminate Propylene Glycol as the culprit, since that food also contains the compound.

  • Mack

    “Propylene glycol is still a chemical.”

    Salt is a chemical. Why would you want to put it in your body? Toothpaste and mouthwash are chemicals. Why would you want to put them into your body? Garlic is a chemical. Why would you want to put it into your body?

    See how silly you are starting to sound?

    Everything you have touched today is a chemical. Your chair. your breakfast cereal, your pen/pencil, your steering wheel…

    You are breathing in chemicals, 80% of which is Nitrogen. That doesn’t make any of them bad…

    Chemicals are not necessarily evil.

  • Mack

    “I’m still confused as to what you’re doing here. Do you work for a company that produces pg? Why are you so hellbent on convincing us we should accept it as an ingredient?”

    I don’t work for any sort of food company. I am a network engineer and I have my own computer network consulting company. I stumbled on this site while researching something else.

    I’m not hellbent on anything. I am trying to eliminate people’s ignorance by attempting to educate the uneducated.

    If one is “Ignorant”, it does NOT mean one is stupid. It means one simply does not know something, so please don’t take it personally.

    Directly above your post, I replied to a post by listing some of the common foods you may have in your pantry, along with some personal hygiene products you or your wife may be using.

    Oh, and I do not feed my Yorkies Beneful. I feed them Kibbles and Bits, which also contains a small amount of Propylene Glycol, by the way… They have eaten it for years and have absolutely no medical issues.

    I also feed them raw carrots, peas, green beans, and apple slices as treats. They love the carrots and apples, by the way.

  • Mack

    Here’s a few:
    –Ever eat a dry cake mix? It keeps them from crystallizing and clumping on the shelf.

    –Betty Crocker cake frosting mix

    –Ranch salad dressings and BBQ sauces. Without it, these would be soupy instead of thick.

    –It is commonly used in ice cream to keep its texture smooth by preventing ice crystals from forming, since it is a non-toxic antifreeze.

    –If you are diabetic, you may be using an artificial sweetener, and nearly all of them have it as an ingredient.

    –A lot of soft drinks contain it

    –most margarines

    –Kibbles and Bits dog food

    –Flavored coffee (nutmeg, French vanilla, pumpkin spice) would not be nearly as tasty

    –although not a food, most deodorants contain it, which can be absorbed through the skin

    –nearly all women’s skin creams (once again, “creamy” is the common theme here…)

    –most shampoos and creme rinses

    –Baby wipes

    –most domestic beers contain “STABILFOAM” which is a food-grade propylene glycol alginate, specially developed and produced as foam stabilizer for beer

    Want more?

  • Mack

    Toxicity is all about quantity. Anything in a large enough quantity can be toxic. Salt, for example. Better lay off the pears, tomatoes, and bananas, since they all contain (*gasp!) formaldehyde…

    As long as the amount ingested stays under 5 grams per kilogram of body weight, nothing happens.

    Never, ever, never, EVER!

  • Mack

    “Water is also acid.”
    –No it’s not. It has a pH of 7, which is exactly in the middle between alkaline and acid. Chemically speaking, it is considered *neutral*. Any 9th grade chemistry class would have taught you that. Where did you go to school? Go buy some Litmus paper, pour yourself a glass of that terrible poison, and test it to see for yourself.

    A Ph between 1 – 6.9 indicates acidity, and a pH between 7.1 – 14 indicates alkalinity. The further away from “7”, the more reactive the compound is. (In scientific terms, the pH is really a measure of the relative amount of free hydrogen and hydroxyl ions in the water.)

    = = = = = = = =
    “Vaccines on the other hand are loaded with toxins in formaldehyde…”

    Toxicity is all about QUANTITY. Too much salt can kill you. Better lay off the salt. There is more formaldehyde in a raw pear, banana, or a tomato than what is used in a typical measles/rubella/mumps vaccine. Guess you had better quit eating pears, bananas, and tomatoes…

    = = = = = = = =
    “Additionally margarine is one molecule away from plastic.”

    —Using your own argument, the Hydrogen Peroxide in your medicine cabinet is one molecule away from water, yet (as you put it) many people still drink water knowing how bad it is. I guess you better stop drinking water…

    = = = = = = = =
    For your offspring’s sake, I hope you don’t reproduce. You are going to kill them with your ignorance. 10 million Measles vaccines were given last year. ZERO deaths were attributed to the vaccine.

    From the article:
    “No cause-and-effect relationship has been established.”

    Darn those medical research reports…!

    Source:
    https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/index

    = = = = = = = =
    “It’s killing babies and causing Autism.”

    No it’s not.
    Here… Learn something. Stay informed:

    From the article:
    “A now-retracted British study that linked autism to childhood vaccines was an “ELABORATE FRAUD” that has done long-lasting damage to public health, a leading medical publication reported Wednesday.”

    Hmm.. FRAUD. oops…

    Source:
    http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/01/05/autism.vaccines/

    You’re welcome…

  • Robert Klingenburg

    Sorry for your loss. I know from personal experiences that is rough. I will look into the other brands you mentioned. As for home cooked, I’ve heard of those, but if it wasn’t for my wifey, I’d starve to death. Lol

  • Crazy4dogs

    Unfortunately many veterinarians recommend SD because often that’s who teaches the nutrition classes in Vet school. When my own dog was definitively diagnosed to be in kidney failure @ almost 14 years of age, I asked my vet what she had for me besides K/D. She said vets really don’t get a lot of training in nutrition. I appreciated her honesty. She found me several home cooked recipes from 1 of the other vets in the practice (I had already found many similar ones online & joined a FB kidney failure page) and kept my boy going for over 8 months on home cooked meals. His cross to the rainbow bridge was due to myelopathy and being 80 lbs and unable to stand, for more than a week, not kidney failure.

  • Robert Klingenburg

    I shall! Thanks for the info.
    And the reason for Science Diet was a recommendation fro our veternarian.

  • aquariangt

    Interesting you landed science diet if cost is not a problem and the ingredients of others didn’t please you? Glad you are checking out the ingredients, but SD is loaded with a fair amount of junk itself.

  • Missy Tielke

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    1.
    a blustering, quarrelsome, overbearing person who habitually badgers and intimidates smaller or weaker people.

    I am a teacher, so I am pretty sure my critical thinking skills are exceptional. I am happy that Beneful has not killed your dogs, but it did kill mine and made the others very ill. Who said I live in a plastic bubble? I have been raped, sexually abused by a relative when I was a child, been hit by a man before, suffered a miscarriage, was the rock for my children when my husband had an affair and was able to be the strong one to work things out, stood by my friends and family and held their hands when they were hurting or in a crisis, had a shooting fatality right next door, kept 5 gang members in line when their friend was shot and they made a wrong turn at a hospital and couldn’t find the ER and comforted them when the shooting victim had died, helped my daughter through a rape and an abusive relationship, and I could go on and on. So…yes, you are a bully and I think you would be more of a man if you could stop.

  • Crazy4dogs

    If cost is not an option, have you looked @ the many 4-5 star rated foods like Orijen, Merrick, Nature’s Variety Instinct, Wellness, Earthborn, Fromm, Taste of the Wild? There are many more, but all are rated far superior to Science Diet and many are in the same price range.

  • Robert Klingenburg

    I saw some cheaper brands, but I was not pleased with some of the ingredients! Thanks for the suggestion, but cost is not a problem.

  • Dori

    You’re dogs may very well be surviving on rainbows and sunshine but, in the long run, they are not surviving on foods or should I say feeds that you think are appropriate for dogs. They are surviving. That’s a huge difference from thriving. I’m sure a lot of us can survive on junk food and processed quick meals but I’m quite sure that the longevity of our lives with quality lives as opposed to quantity would be better served with quality foods. That’s just my opinion, of course. We all need to eat and feed what we think is best for immediate and quality longevity lives for ourselves and our companion animals.

  • Crazy4dogs

    There are so many better options than Science Diet and often, they cost less.

  • Shawna

    If they are completely without symptoms, then apparently so. If they are not, then burying your head in the sand will only get you so far.

    I used to feed beneful. My dogs were not without symptoms and they certainly were not healthy. One lived to 18 but he was a mess the whole time. Died of kidney disease. My better fed Chihuahua just passed away last month at age 19 with zero symptoms. Truly died of old age.

  • Crazy4dogs

    Any dog can potentially SURVIVE on any food. The main difference between feeding a good food vs a bad food is THRIVING VS SURVIVING. My dogs are in the thriving category.

  • Russell Rutter

    So my dogs survive off rainbows and sunshine?

  • Shawna

    Death is not the only symptom of poor nutrition, it is the final symptom of poor nutrition.

  • Russell Rutter

    My vocabulary is not the topic, and shows your lack of critical thinking skills.
    I stated that Beneful has not killed my dogs. If that is bullying, you need to return back to your plastic bubble and isolate yourself from society.

  • StopTheTPP

    ” It’s killing babies and causing Autism.”. Not true, do some research and learn something.

  • Missy Tielke

    You have such a large vocabulary. Hysteria seems to be the only word you know. If you aren’t going to be supportive of those of us who have actually lost our pets to Beneful, then please just remove yourself from this type of discussion. You really just make yourself out to be a bully. It is for that reason that I will not be replying to you again. Those who bully merely like the negative attention they receive. Research that instead sir.

  • GSDsForever

    YES!!!

  • Dori

    LOL!

  • Dori

    I actually did check through my pantry and freezer last night and nothing in the kitchen had propylene glycol and I really did search because I was starting to wonder if it was in any of the foods we’ve been eating at home. I really don’t understand why, if you could avoid the ingredient easily, why wouldn’t you? I really would like to know, I’m not trying to be snippy or snide or anything but genuinely curious.

  • Crazy4cats

    And some just want to be stinkers! : /

  • Robert Klingenburg

    Total agree with you, shouldn’t be in ANY food, animal or human. I changed my dogs food toScience Diet because it has none of that stuff in it. I want my dog to be as healthy as I am.

  • GSDsForever

    Ya can lead a horse to water but ya can’t make it drink.

    We can’t help some of these people and some do not want to be helped.

  • GSDsForever

    Exactly(!), to all of the above.

  • GSDsForever

    Dori,

    Well, and gee, it’s sincere . . .

    ’cause, I mean, these PG defenders keep telling me it’s in all their ice cream and food. I genuinely do feel sorry for them, wherever it is they shop!

    I feel like I need to come help them learn how to buy foods, because their mamas didn’t teach them.

    Hey wanna come over sometime and have some real ice cream? The kind I got at the store with just milk, cream, sugar, strawberries? LOL.

  • GSDsForever

    LOL. Yep!

  • GSDsForever

    Sorry, but I see no good reason for this to be included in any quality dog food I feed. So it won’t be.

    It’s not in my own foods, as I read labels and pay attention to what I buy and brands and it doesn’t meet my standards.

    So, really, I have no need to explore further just how safe or toxic it is and no interest in further conversation about it.

  • Robert Klingenburg

    It doesn’t claim to be Non-toxic, just safER !!

  • Robert Klingenburg

    And?

  • Robert Klingenburg

    Some individuals are more susceptible to the effects than others! Same with animals. Just because it’s safe for most, doesn’t mean it’s safe for all…

  • Robert Klingenburg

    Some dogs may be sensitive to the ingredients of the suspected dog food, and therefore shouldn’t be fed food containing the ingredients.

  • Robert Klingenburg

    Propylene glycol may be safe for most dogs. But there could be dogs that are more sensitive to the ill effects, and should not be fed this type of food.

  • Robert Klingenburg

    I recently changes my dogs food to Science Diet. It’s just a little more expensive, but doesn’t have all that “stuff” in it. Our dog, Joey started having seizures. I have come to suspect it may be related to the propylene glycol in the dog food. I’ll let y’all know how it goes!

  • Dori

    Just out of courteous I did go into my pantry and read labels. There is not one food in my pantry or freezer that contains propolyne glycol. I’m not sure where you shop or what you eat but I would suggest you try shopping elsewhere for your food. I do read labels when I’m shopping and regardless what the FDA’s thoughts are on propylene glycol, I avoid it as I can just as readily buy foods that do not contain it. It’s not even that difficult a chore.

  • Dog_Obsessed

    I don’t think it’s really about the amount consumed in one siting. Dogs eating Beneful will consume it, while in small amounts, meal after meal, day after day, year after year. Also, PG is not the only potential toxin in Beneful. As for the person’s case above, I don’t know if Beneful killed their dog. It is hard to tell the cause of a dog’s mortality. However, placing the blame on the owner of the dog and asserting the cause of their dog’s death is likely not going to be helpful in this situation.

  • Joyce Wylie

    Water actually IS toxic. It contains lead, pesticides, prescription drugs and fluoride Water is also acid. Vaccines on the other hand are loaded with toxins in formaldehyde, mercury, aluminum, ammonium, glycerol, thimerosal, phenoxyethanol and other toxic substances. It’s killing babies and causing Autism.

    Additionally margarine is one molecule away from plastic, yet many people still eat it not knowing how bad it is.

  • Joyce Wylie

    I don’t eat ice cream, frozen custard or any baked goods. In fact, I don’t eat processed food, only whole fruits and vegetables and nothing GMO. Propylene glycol is still a chemical. Why would you want to put that into your body?

  • aquariangt

    Alright, I bit. I checked a few of those items you mentioned. They aren’t in my food. And, as you so rudely attempted to point out to me, I am actually very aware of every single ingredient that is in everything I eat. Call it what you want, but I grew up in the country, so even when I shop at big grocery stores, I still look at my ingredient panels. Maybe you’re the one that needs to reevaluate what you’re eating, not me.

    I’m still confused as to what you’re doing here. Do you work for a company that produces pg? Why are you so hellbent on convincing us we should accept it as an ingredient? I’m sorry you feed your dogs beneful and think it’s healthy, and I’m sorry that perhaps you buy your groceries and can’t get away from crap fillers in those as well, but I don’t think you’re winning any wars on a site THAT STATES THAT ITS ALL ABOUT HEALTHY INGREDIENTS IN DOG FOOD. But good luck on your crusade, or something like it

  • Mack

    Did you ever feed your dog raisins? Chocolate? Avocados? Garlic? Grapes? Onions? Salt? Walnuts? Milk?

    Did your dog exhibit these symptoms?
    –vomiting
    –diarrhea
    –depression
    –tremors
    –elevated body temperature
    –seizures
    –eventual death (which is a given, based upon your statement)

    If so, I’ll tell you what you fed him that killed him.

    Isn’t it ironic that these owners in the frivolous lawsuit all said there was kidney damage, yet Glycol toxicity does *NOT* damage the kidneys? It damages the liver…

    TOXICITY is all about the DOSEAGE:
    –Eating too much salt will kill you (Hypernatremia).

    –Too much water will kill you (Hyponatremia).

    –Too much radiation will kill you. (A.R.S.)

    Everything I just mentioned is non-lethal in the correct dosage.

    Same goes for Propylene Glycol. As long as the consumption of Propylene Glycol does not exceed 9 grams per kilogram of body weight, any animal can metabolize it, including humans and dogs. A 9-gram lethal dose is equivalent to about 1.8 teaspoons per kilogram of body weight.

    If a dog weighs 8 pounds (3.6 Kg), this would require about 6.5 teaspoons. Very, very, VERY unlikely any 8-pound dog would eat that much Propylene Glycol in one sitting, since that amount would be mixed into 14 pounds of dry dog food. Did your dog consume 14 pounds of food in one sitting…? Yeah, right…

    It’s simple, basic mathematics.

    = = = = = = = =
    As a side note, I guess you need to give up ice cream, frozen custard, and most baked goods, since they all contain Propylene Glycol.

    While you’re at it, you might want to stop eating pears, tomatoes, and bananas, since they all contain naturally-occurring formaldehyde.

  • Mack

    “The proof is out there that many animals fed Beneful have died…”

    The proof is out there that every single animal (and human) that has ever drank water has died. It’s time to declare water unsafe and ban it for consumption by animals !!!

    I love poking holes in an emotionally-based argument that is not based in fact.

    Animals get sick and die. That is a fact of nature. Do you know if some of these owners ever fed their dogs raisins? Chocolate? Avocados? Garlic? Grapes? Onions? Salt? Walnuts? Milk?

    Look at these symptoms and tell me what food you think may have caused the symptoms in your dog:

    vomiting, diarrhea, depression, tremors, elevated body temperature, seizures and even death.

    I’ll tell you what it is tomorrow. You will be surprised.

  • Mack

    It is used to make antifreeze NON-toxic.

    Sheesh…

    It is used in marine applications and in RVs to keep natural water from becoming poisoned in the event of a leak.

    Google it…

  • Mack

    Propylene Glycol is used to make antifreeze NON-toxic.

    If you think it is “toxic”, then I guess you had better stop eating ice cream, frozen custard, and most baked goods.

    It is used mostly in marine applications and RVs, so if a leak occurs, the water where the leak occurred does not become poisoned.

    Ethylene Glycol, however, is toxic, and is a completely different molecule.

    Google it…

  • Mack

    As long as the intake is kept to 5 grams per kilogram of body weight or less, it will be metabolised.

    Toxicity is all about quantity.

  • Mack

    “Poison” and toxicity is all about QUANTITY.

    Eat too much salt and you will die. If you eat too many pears, bananas, or tomatoes, you will be poisoned from the natural formaldehyde contained therein. Water is not toxic, but if you drink too much of it, you will die from not having enough electrolytes in your blood.

    If the amount of Propylene Glycol never exceeds 5 grams per kilogram of body weight, nothing happens. Ever… You have been eating it all of your life and were probably not even aware of that fact.

    If you’ve ever had a flu shot, you’ve been injected with formaldehyde. It’s all about quantity. Same goes for radiation poisoning. Small doses are fine.

  • Mack

    “No, it’s not possible to avoid toxins in this world as it is but where we can, we should.”

    It’s not a toxin. In fact, it is used to make antifreeze NON-toxic in marine applications and in RVs (in case of a leak). It makes sure the water doesn’t get poisoned like normal antifreeze would do.

    It’s also widely-used to keep moist foods moist.

    Go to your cupboard and start reading the labels…

  • Mack

    If the amount of Propylene Glycol never exceeds 5 grams per kilogram of body weight, nothing happens. Ever… You have been eating it all of your life and were probably not even aware of that fact.

  • Mack

    So, I assume you have given up ice cream and baked goods?

    I also assume you already know bananas, tomatoes, pears, and most vaccines (flu shots, for example) all contain natural formaldehyde, right? Have you given all of those food items up, too?

    You inhale more toxic fumes when you put fuel into your car than what could ever be obtained by consuming the minute amounts of Propylene Glycol contained in food products.

    Toxicity is all about QUANTITY. Eat too much salt and you will die. Eat too many pears and you will be poisoned from the formaldehyde contained therein. Water is not toxic, but if you drink too much of it, you will die from not having enough electrolytes in your blood.

    If the amount of Propylene Glycol never exceeds 5 grams per kilogram of body weight, nothing happens. Ever… You have been eating it all of your life and were probably not even aware of that fact.

    This lawsuit is all about people’s ignorance and being scared of something of which they know nothing about.

  • Dori

    But why wouldn’t you try to avoid the ones you obviously can for yourself and your animals. No, it’s not possible to avoid toxins in this world as it is but where we can, we should.

  • Russell Rutter

    Except I have been using Beneful since 2003. I have yet to have a dog die.

    Please control your hysteria.

  • LabsRawesome

    Hahaha. If you really think the FDA cares about the toxic substances found in dog food, you should think again. They deem all kinds of crap GRAS (Generally Recognized As Safe) That doesn’t mean it is actually safe. The FDA is looking out for us? What a joke!

  • LabsRawesome

    Aw come on, breathe in the atmosphere with me. ROTFLMAO.

  • aquariangt

    Sorry, but that’s neither here nor there regarding the conversation, especially my comment. My point was: It doesn’t matter what toxins there are out there or whether or not pg is toxic. Why should that be an excuse to lose a subpar item for my pet? Thanks for informing me about the atmosphere, but it makes no difference in the conversation.

  • GSDsForever

    I just regard so much on this thread as pure silliness: so many elaborate defenses of propylene glycol, that it is wholesome and good, non toxic, heck even a nutrient now (!), blah blah blah, and attempts to convince everyone that they blithely eat it/breathe it/drink it along with their dogs every day.

    It’s making me shake my head and laugh — because who knew I had SUCH a healthy diet and lifestyle? Not me. I mean I try. But these things its defenders keep posting that we all supposedly consume all the time are not things I pretty much ever eat, drink, do, etc. So there goes that argument. . . .

    And many, though not all, of the people commenting like they belong to The United Propylene Glycol Workers of America Union for Pete’s sake seem to have popped up out of nowhere here. They don’t participate in all the great discussions and sharing on this site of HOW TO HELP OUR DOGS.

    So, hey, if ya wanna go ahead and feed your dog PG & eat it yourself, please be my guest. I’ll just think of it like we in the South think whenever we say, “Well, bless their hearts” of others. Sincerely I wish these folks & their pups well.

    But I’m going to get back to central discussions on this site of HOW TO FEED A GREAT DIET TO OUR DOGS, how to do everything we can to create optimum health & longevity in our dogs, where people actually WANT to try to do this.

  • nate

    Go outside and breathe the atmosphere. You just inhaled greater toxins floating in the atmosphere than propylene glycol.

  • BionicWoman0813

    A buildup of anything toxic to our bodies as well as animals will create damage to our systems and therefore, diseases. It’s sad how the FDA allows many toxins into our foods and says it’s OK…no wonder there are so many people and animals sick in this world. My little Schnoodle is now diabetic at the age of 7. She is such a sweet girl that she doesn’t deserve to be this sick. I really want her to have a “quality life”.

  • Dog_Obsessed

    The arguing? Is that what you mean? People defending the food? Attacking it?

  • aquariangt

    While all of that may be true, it doesn’t make it healthy. And all those human food ingredients you mentioned shouldn’t be eaten every day, much less every meal.

    That’s my biggest baffle over this debate…just because something isn’t toxic, you think we should accept a subpar ingredient for our dogs?

  • Shawna

    Beneful (if that is the lawsuit you are referring to) is a seriously crap food but I agree, going after Purina because of propylene glycol isn’t going to get them anywhere.

  • GSDsForever

    Omg, make it stop. This is getting ridiculous.

    DFA regulars and long timers, you know what I’m talking about.

  • Mack

    From the FDA:
    “Propylene glycol is metabolized by animals and **can be used** as a carbohydrate source. Propylene Glycol can be ingested over long periods of time and in substantial quantities (up to 5 percent of the total food intake) without causing frank toxic effects.”

    Yup… 5% (FIVE percent) of their total food intake. Dry dog food contains nowhere near that amount.

    Cats, however cannot eat this stuff, but that is irrelevant because this frivolous lawsuit concerns dogs, and it stands a 100% chance of losing.

    If you’ve ever eaten a glazed donut, frozen custard, nearly all baked goods, or enjoyed some ice cream, then you’ve eaten **PROPYLENE** Glycol. It is not lethal like its cousin, **ETHYLENE** Glycol.

    Propylene Glycol is used in antifreeze to make it NON-toxic (yes, NON-toxic!), and the main application for its use is in marine applications in order to prevent the water from becoming poisoned if a leak occurs. It is used in RVs, for the same reason.

    If you’ve inhaled “smoke” or “fog” from a fog machine at a concert or Hallowe’en, then you’ve inhaled Propylene Glycol and survived (Gasp!)

    But, don’t take my word for it. Read the FDA’s take on it:

    Source:
    http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/fcn/fcnDetailNavigation.cfm?rpt=scogsListing&id=262

  • Joyce Wylie

    There’s poison in our foods, so why would dogs or cats be any different?

  • Joyce Wylie

    I’m sure they would tell you that. They want to sell you product. Beneful dog food is killing dogs. That’s why Purina is involved in a class action lawsuit at this time. All Purina products are crap. Please throw it away.

    Propylene glycol and Ethylene glycol are ANTIFREEZE made from a plastic. It’s poison plain and simple.

  • Joyce Wylie

    It’s all about profit.

  • GIVEMEFREEDOM

    You don’t have to have an Obama degree to read Wikipedia or to Google propylene Glycol.
    Wikipedia has useful information in regards to using propylene glycol in dog food READ IT.
    Beneful by Purina. There are 8 varieties of dry dog food. Each variety has propylene glycol.
    BUT . . . . the worst part of Beneful isn’t the propylene glycol which is used as an extender and preservative, the BAD part of Beneful is the use of “Chicken By-product meal and “animal digest”. Think chicken beaks, eyes, claws, feathers, guts, poop, etc. It’s all part of “Chicken by-product meal” and “animal digest”.
    There isn’t much natural nutrition in Beneful. the first listed ingredient is “ground yellow corn”. The first real animal ingredient doesn’t appear on the list until number 6 and that is “animal fat”.
    As other have mentioned, there ARE better dog foods. They cost more. How much is YOUR dog worth?

  • Dog_Obsessed

    Ugh. Yeah, I really wish they would be better safe then sorry. Or just…safe.

  • Dori

    I have to say D.O. that I wish they would ban it in dog foods also. They “claim” that it is harmful to cats but not dogs. I guess eventually when thousands of dogs are affected, sick and dead they’ll decide to revisit the issue. It boggles the mind that the FDA does nothing until there are many deaths.