Arsenic in Rice May Also Affect Dog Food

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The recent discovery by the FDA of high levels of arsenic in rice makes it likely we’ll soon be hearing more about excessive levels of the same potentially hazardous substance in dog food, too.

And for good reason.

Arsenic is a toxic chemical found naturally in the environment — in soil and groundwater.

In humans, arsenic is known to cause:

  • Bladder cancer
  • Lung cancer
  • Skin cancer
  • Liver cancer
  • Kidney cancer
  • Prostate cancer

Arsenic is listed by the International Agency for Research on Cancer as one of over 100 substances classified as Group 1 carcinogens.

In medicine, a carcinogen is any cancer-causing compound.

How Arsenic Gets Into Rice

Arsenic can be found naturally in the environment. Yet it can also be found in higher concentrations in some plants — like rice — as the result of years of human agricultural activity.

There are many ways the chemical can find its way into the public food supply.

For example, until the 1980s, arsenic-based pesticides were commonly used by cotton farmers to help control boll weevils and other insects.

However, since then, many of these same cotton fields have been flooded with water to grow rice. So, some of the arsenic found in the soil is steadily absorbed by the growing rice plants.

What Kinds of Rice
Contain the Most Arsenic?

Testing by Consumer Reports1 found consistently higher levels of arsenic in the usually healthier brown rice than in white rice. That’s because the toxin tends to concentrate in the outer layer of the rice grain.

What’s worse, that same report also concluded:

“Arsenic concentrations found in the bran that is removed during the milling process to produce white rice can be 10 to 20 times higher than levels found in bulk rice grain”

Could Tainted Rice Affect Your Dog?

We think so. And here’s why…

In a study of 3,633 human subjects, Consumer Reports found:

“People who reported eating one rice food item had total urinary arsenic levels 44 percent greater than those who had not, and people who reported consuming two or more rice products had levels 70 percent higher than those who had no rice”

This would suggest that a dog eating the same rice-based recipe on a continual daily basis would likely have an elevated level of arsenic in its body, too.

One Report:
‘No Adverse Effects’

In a 2011 memorandum2, the FDA referred to recommendations of the National Research Council per the maximum tolerable levels for arsenic.3

In that FDA memo, an independent study was cited which found the highest amount of arsenic discovered in 58 pet food samples was just 4.2% of the maximum tolerable level for arsenic.4

Reassuringly, that same report concluded:

“Thus, no adverse effects due to arsenic are expected from consumption of these 58 pet foods.”

What Keeps Us Up at Night

Although a safe upper limit for drinking water has been established at 10 parts per billion, there are currently no Federal standards for arsenic in most foods.

Yet this situation may soon be about to change.

Since the FDA has recently discovered arsenic in many rice-based infant formulas, it’s quite likely the Agency will soon set limits for many human food products.

However, if the government does not set a limit for arsenic in pet food, the potential problem could get worse for dogs.

That’s because it’s a good bet much of that tainted rice banned for use in human food will somehow — like so many other rejected ingredients — end up in commercial pet food.

The Bottom Line

Since Consumer Reports5 has recommended “babies eat no more than one serving of infant rice cereal per day”, we feel compelled to suggest animal caretakers remain cautious, too.

Yet one independent report just cited here implies the amount of arsenic in pet food is expected to cause no adverse effects.

What’s more, some rice ingredients contain little (if any) arsenic.

So, what should we do?

Until the FDA completes its ongoing investigation and establishes a safe upper limit for the arsenic content of rice, dog owners may wish to limit the amount of rice they feed their pets.

Footnotes

  1. Consumer Reports Magazine, September 2012
  2. Target Animal Safety Review Memorandum, June 15, 2011
  3. National Research Council. 2005. Mineral Tolerance of Animals Second Revised Edition. Washington, D.C.: National Academy Press
  4. Atkins P, Ernyei L, Driscoll W, et al. 2011. Analysis of Toxic Trace Metals in Pet Foods Using Cryogenic Grinding and Quantitation by ICP-MS, Part I. Spectroscopy. 26(1):46-56
  5. Consumer Reports Magazine, November 2012
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  • chaka anna

    this is ridicules, I don’t think out grand parents went through all that trouble, but yet their attachment to the dog wasn’t like it is today, I already lost two dogs due to cancer, had a little yorky that live 18 years without cancer, and my actual dog is full of allergies.

  • Bea

    I only feed my sheltie Origen and he loves it.

  • Lorenza

    So what does this mean exactly from the article?“Arsenic concentrations found in the bran that is removed during the milling process to produce white rice can be 10 to 20 times higher than levels found in bulk rice grain”. Is white or brown better?
    Thanks.

  • Jamie Jacobson

    Hound dog Mom, would you mind sharing your recipe? I have 2 dogs, one of which has a very sensitive stomach & fairly severe food allergies which manifest in his coat & skin. I have not been able to crack the food allergy thing with him yet. Always willing to try something new. Thanks!

  • Hound Dog Mom

    A agree with you that whole foods are better which is why therecipes I formulate for my dogs are comprised entirely of whole foods (aside from added vitamin e). I’ve created recipes for my dogs that exceed the AAFCO’snutrient profiles for all life stages without the use of synthetic supplements.

    Cod would be a good source of vitamin d but then you come back to the point I mentioned in previous posts – in order to satisfy vitamin d needs it would need to be eaten daily and in large amounts (4 oz. of cod has only about 60 IU of vitamin d). There are also concerns about mercury and other contaminants if eating large volumes of fish. I personally have nowhere to get fresh wild caught fish nor would I feel comfortable feeding my dogs fish daily which is why I opt for a quality cod liver oil. I use Carlson brand cod liver oil which and feel safe doing so – no concerns with rancidity or contaminants. I also split a tin a Wild Planet sardines between my two dogs a couple times a week for omega 3’s (wild caught, sustainable, bpa free tins).

    Just so you know heart isn’t considered an organ meat when it comes to feeding dogs, it’s a muscle meat and therefore wouldn’t count toward your dog’s organ meat consumption. 10% of the diet should be comprised of organ meat – 5% liver and 5% other organs (kidneys, spleen, lungs, brain, pancreas, etc.). At the very least the diet should be 5% liver/5% kidneys – but the more variety the better.Liver isn’t high in fat – 100 g. of beef liver contains only 4 g. of fat and 100 g. of chicken liver contains only 5 g. of fat. Organ meats are typically very lean. If you’re concerned about toxins in organ meat I would suggest purchasing meats from animals raised without hormones/antibiotics/steroids and that are free-ranging – organic is great if you can find it. I use predominantly conventionally raised meat for the RMB and muscle meat portion of my dogs’ diet for cost reasons but I always purchase organ meat separately and ensure it’s from clean sources. If you’re not going to feed an appropriate amount and variety of organ meat for whatever reasons that’s fine but the nutrients that the dog would obtain through the organ meat should be compensated for through supplementation to ensure the diet is balanced. Organ meat is a vital part of the diet. For those not willing to or unable to appropriately balanced a whole
    food based diet I think it’s smart to add a human multi-vitamin (portion size adjusted accordingly) – getting necessary nutrient through a synthetic source is better than not getting them at all.

  • NoneBuriedDeeper

    I think you would be better off feeding freshly steamed cod (with the skin on) than any molecular purified fish oil. The oversight of vitamins and oils manufacturing is very weak and rules are not strongly enforced. Real food is always better than anything man can make in a lab. It’ why I keep everything 100% natural. I have given him all of the beef organ meat available in the past. I like the heart the best. I try to limit liver consumption because of the fat and kideny’s since they collect toxins. He does like Beef heart and I have made him jerky from it. It’s much better than biscuits for a treat or reward..

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Hi NoneBuriedDeeper –

    I think that what you’re forgetting is that what you’re feeding is not a dog’s natural diet – it’s merely an approximation. It’s not very feasible to feed a dog a true natural diet – whole prey. Remember in the wild dogs would eat the whole animal – fur/feathers, bones, glands, organs, sinew, even some stomach contents. It’s also important to keep in mind that commercially raised meats – even those that are free range – have a much lower vitamin and mineral content than wild game. These factors need to be compensated for when formulating a homemade diet. Concerning vitamin d specifically, this is from Steve Brown (ancestral diet guru and author of “Unlocking the Canine Ancestral Diet”):

    “Dogs, ancestrally, got vitamin D from their diets, primarily the kidneys, lungs, hearts and livers of their prey, and from the sun. The ancestral dog lived outside, and was not a couch potato! But most modern dogs don’t get much vitamin D from the sun; they live indoors now. In addition, those dogs with dark skin and thicker coats make even less vitamin D. It’s hard to get sufficient vitamin D from natural foods alone. Many of the vitamin D rich parts, like the lungs and kidneys, are not often available, and adding liver, even up to 25% liver, does not provide enough vitamin D, according to USDA data. In addition, the vitamin D content of livers varies considerably, and chemical testing of vitamin D is often not accurate. The best solution, I feel, is to supplement with vitamin D3.”

    Merely feeding your dogs commercially raised meat and vegetables will not meet the dog’s nutritional needs. I prefer to use whole food sources of nutrients whenever possible so I provide my dogs with vitamin d through a daily capsule of cod liver oil.

  • NoneBuriedDeeper

    Where would a dog ever get than much Vitamin D? In a natural wild diet eating wild game and occasional fruits and greens there just isn’t a source that high anywhere. When I look at the diet of wolves and foxes I just don’t see a big Vitamin D source. I think its more important to have a high quality protein source with plenty of calcium. Do you know of a actual independent scientific study done about vitamin D and dogs?

  • Hound Dog Mom

    That’s great however these ingredients don’t contain the nutrients in high enough levels to meet a dog’s dietary needs unless they are fed to excess and/or fed daily. 1 egg contains only 3.6 IU. vitamin e and 1 oz. of collar greens contains only 0.9 IU. of vitamin e. A dog requires a minimum of 23 IU per pound of food eaten on a dry matter basis. So a dog consuming 1 lb. of food per day that we’ll say is ~75% moisture would need 6 IU. In order to meet dietary requirements a dog would need to eat about 7 oz. of collard greens or 2 eggs. This would mean that nearly half of the dog’s meal would need to be collard greens or about a quarter of the meal would need to be eggs just to meet the minimum level (which doesn’t necessarily mean the optimum level). This wouldn’t leave room for much else. If the dog is consuming high levels of omega 3’s in the diet (such as salmon, flax or chia) vitamin e requirements increase.

  • NoneBuriedDeeper

    Vitamin D is found in the eggs and Salmon, and E and K in the Collard Greens. Actually Collard Greens is the most nutrient rich food around having over 82 vital nutrients. Its why I include both of those. I also have been known to share the left over milk from my serial with him. So there is some more Vitamin D for him.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    That’s great that you’re cooking for your dog – it’s the healthiest thing in my opinion. Do you add anything else to this recipe – such as a vitamin supplement? This is a little unbalanced – for example there’s no vitamin e, no vitamin d, etc. I’d recommend checking out “Unlocking the Canine Ancestral Diet” by Steve Brown or “Real Food for Healthy Dogs and Cats” by Dr. Karen Becker – both include balanced homemade recipes. They’re great starting points for beginners.

  • NoneBuriedDeeper

    A dogs natural diet would never include all that rice and its a empty carb. No real vitamins.

  • NoneBuriedDeeper

    I cook for my dog and stopped using rice because I didn’t want that kind of carbs in his diet. I feed him cooked chicken thigh meat mixed with eggs, peas, collard greens, pumpkin, blue berries,ground egg shells and the grated knuckles of the chicken bones. I will rotate other foods in that base recipe. Things like Banana, canned salmon, sweet potato, beef, chicken livers, apples, and beans. He went from 55 pound to 45 pounds and my vet thinks he looks incredible.

  • Aileen S Hanson

    Hi Gen1
    Thank you for sharing your story. Would you be comfortable including the brands of dog food you have found to be good for your dogs that have the meat and potatoes? One of our dogs has intestinal problems and we are working with a holistic vet and finding progress in healing regulating his stools. I am still looking for the best dog food for him. We currently make most of his food and would like to have a good canned dog food we can trust.

  • Pattyvaughn

    Maybe it’s a regional difference. Where I come from 4 1/2 is not the same as 5 and high phosporus content is not exactly the same as one you find suitable. I’m not trying to argue with you, but to point out that there are legitimate reasons why someone may choose one food over the other, because they are not the same. BTW, it has higher phos, because it has more meat. Not the same.

  • Storm’s Mom

    No, it’s not. Canine Caviar Grain Free is 4.5 stars (and one of the formulae is only 4 stars).

    http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-reviews/canine-caviar-grain-free/

    Grain-inclusive Canine Caviar is 4 stars.

    http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-reviews/canine-caviar/

    Orijen is 5 stars.

    https://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-reviews/orijen-dog-food-adult/

  • snappir

    it is.
    when I was looking to replace Orijen(high Phosphorus content, not good for senior dogs), I did a lot of search here. So I know the ratings are the same for both.

  • Pattyvaughn

    If it was exactly like Orijen, it would have the same rating as Orijen.

  • snappir

    for dogs I suggest food that we use for our doggie.
    It’s Canine Caviar.
    DFA gives this food 4.5 stars in regards to ingredients.
    Exactly like Orijen, the top of the top.
    CC has NO rice, and the best ingredients.
    I also add a little bit of turmeric.

  • snappir

    I think in Cuba pesticides weren’t used as much as in north america. maybe today they use it more.
    When in the west pesticides were used on every single crop say 40 years ago, people in Cuba already knew the dangers of pesticides.

  • Patrick

    I might also add that since I have taken both dogs off the dry food and put them on the “Holistic Select” wet, canned dog food (1 to 1/2 can each) and brown rice their fur has become much shinier, softer, and no shedding as they normally do this time of the year.

    One dog was having a hard time getting up due to joint issues since she is older but now springs right up.

    BM’s are normal, no more watery, loose stools or constipation in either dog.
    How much of this stuff is the truth and how much is just plain “bull-oney”?
    Toxic chemicals are in our water, food and atmosphere.
    We cannot escape it unless we grow our own organically and live in a bubble!

  • Patrick

    What on earth can anyone, including our pets, eat anymore?? For the past month I have been feeding my 2 dogs 1/2 can of wet “Holistic Select” dog food. They love it.
    I also mix with it brown rice to add more substance. Now this!
    I, myself, have only eaten brown rice because of it’s higher nutrient content than white rice.
    The dogs seem happier with this food rather than the costly Canadae dry food they got so tired of and turned their noses up after awhile.
    I tried serving them “people food” – vegetables, a little meat mixed with the dry food. One dog got so constipated it ended up costing me a $700.00 vet bill and strict instruction to not feed her “people food”.
    the vet recommended the Canadae.
    Not what???

  • Jose

    chinese people it rice every day and they live a long healty
    life, my mother was from Cuba and in Cuba we it rice evry day too and she never was sick or need any surgery she died at the age of 92

  • Gen1

    If you die prematurely, you may not mind but what about those family members, friends, and pets whom you leave behind? You don’t have to be obsessively worried or burdened by making healthy food choices. You can still live, eat, drink and be merry and do it for a longer time with a healthier body.

  • Gen1

    I stopped giving my dogs rice or any dog food with rice about 11 years ago. At that time, I opted to cook meat, potatoes, & certain vegetables, etc. I had noticed prior to this both dogs (purebred mini-schnauzer & bison frise) when suffering with upset stomachs, etc., would only get worse when I fed them prescription dog food with heavy concentration of rice or when I cooked rice for them as suggested by vets. I was very observant about this and reflected quite a bit. I decided to substitute potatoes and eliminate rice all together from their diets. (Unfortunately, I did not do this for my family as I did not discern any negative effects for us. However, a member of the family did pass on due to Prostate cancer; and, he ate brown rice and other rice dishes practically every other day. He loved it . ) At the time, I informed various vets that I did not think rice was good for the dogs. When I told them I was substituting potatoes for the rice, they were aghast and overwhelmingly disagreeable. They did not listen to my logic and acted as if they had blinders on. Two or three years later, dog food made only with meat and potatoes began to appear on the market! By the way, my dogs did much better as a result. They have since passed on. I am glad I “stuck to my guns” and was not intimidated by the vets. Being observant, loving, reflective and doing research is so important, especially today.

  • Cool Cat

    not eating rice again ugggghhhhhh

  • Heidi

    Arsenic in rice is directly tied to arsenic in chicken – only recently has Maryland banned the use of Roxsarone, an arsenic based antibiotic fed to chickens to kill parasites and promote growth, it’s mixed into the feed as “medicated feed”. Factory chicken farms are leaching this poison into the Chesapeake bay.  Rice farmers who  use chicken manure to fertilize their rice crops now are suing chicken farms for contaminating their crops with arsenic.  The FDA, who is under pressure from Pfizer to keep it in the food, is refusing to issue an outright ban, because money is more important than the health of the citizens who eat this poison.  I would avoid both in pet food, and human food.

  • Marie

    I guess I’m glad I only eat short-grained white rice then?

  • Azima

     I don’t think switching to a rice-free dog food is overreacting.  In my house, my dogs get the same dog food every day, so that’s a significant amount of rice consumed.  I’ve read the Consumer Reports article and it is compelling enough that I am severely limiting my own consumption of rice.  It’s the least I can do for my pets.

  • Dog Food Ninja

    This is the kind of stuff that happens when we try to globalize food and turn it into a commodity.  Monocultures result in petrochemicals and pesticide use which results in tainted food.  Eat paleo and eat local.  That’s how you avoid this kind of stuff.      

  • Hock

    I think we are all going to die someday. If it isn’t because of the air we breathe, the food we eat or the water we drink, it will be some other natural disaster that comes along. I say, enjoy every minute of your life and live it to the fullest, eat drink and be merry, every minute you are here. I would rather die at 70 with a glass of wine in my hand, laughing with my friends and family, then wind up in some nursing home at 85, drooling and not remembering my name.

  • Lori

    I was wondering if anyone has heard or read that rice in dog food causes fatty tumors.  I had a friend tell me this is what the vet told him.

  • Toxed2loss

    Oos! It was the “Zignature thread”, and the edit feature is not co-operating. Sorry.

  • Toxed2loss

    Hey Dr. Mike,
    The discussion we’re having over on the Zarford thread got into arsenic and I posted the following. Just thought you might want it.

    …”Great info! Here’s some stuff I should probably copy to the arsenic thread.

    Arsenic isn’t “normally” stored in fat. That’s a secondary defense mechanism for people who’s methylation cycle is impaired, their glutathione is deficient and they are immune compromised (like me.) So you won’t find research papers saying that, but you can find them pointing to it…here’s the facts from the ATSDR:

    After absorption through the lungs or GI tract, arsenic is widely distributed by the blood throughout the body. [ATSDR 2007] Most tissues rapidly clear arsenic, except for skin, hair, and nails [Lansdown 1995]. Two to four weeks after exposure ceases, most of the arsenic remaining in the body is found in keratin-rich tissues such as hair, nails, skin, and to a lesser extent, in bones and teeth [Yip and Dart 2001].

    Arsenic is absorbed into the blood stream at the cellular level and is taken up by red blood cells, white blood cells, and other cells that reduce arsenate to arsenite [Winski and Carter 1995; Wang et al. 1996]. Reduction of arsenate (As V) to arsenite (As III) is needed before methylation can occur. This reaction requires glutathione (GSH) [Miller et al. 2002; Vahter et al. 1983]. A portion of arsenite (As III) is methylated in the liver by enzymatic transfer of the methyl group from S adenosylmethionine (SAM) to methyl arsonate (MMA V) and dimethyl arsenate (DMA V) [Aposhian et al. 2004; Styblo et al. 2002]. The resulting metabolites are more readily excreted. Methylation has long been considered the main route of arsenic detoxification, but more recently there has been a growing body of literature supporting other detoxification mechanisms. For example, a number of animal species lack arsenic methylation and excrete inorganic arsenic [Vahter2002]. The implication is that there may be other more important arsenic detoxification mechanisms in mammals. Other studies have suggested additional detoxification mechanisms such as antioxidant defenses, resistance to apoptosis, or transport [Yoshida et al. 2004].

    Methylation efficiency in humans appears to decrease at high arsenic doses… When the methylating capacity of the liver is exceeded, exposure to excess levels of inorganic arsenic results in increased retention of arsenic in soft tissues. Arsenic is excreted in the urine primarily through the kidneys…

    Other less important routes of elimination of inorganic arsenic include feces, incorporation into hair and nails, skin desquamation, and sweat.”

  • Pattyvaughn

    Same here, and I make a lot of cheap homemade too.  I might get bison once or twice a year, maybe.

  • InkedMarie

    thanks….no bison here, i’m lucky we can swing the Zoologics (we use beef, turkey and duck)

  • Pattyvaughn

    Darwin’s beef is 14%, bison is 13%, and the rest are 12%.

  • InkedMarie

    12% protein? Hmm, seems low but to be honest, I don’t even know the the Darwins protein is. Thanks for the info

  • InkedMarie

    we went to our favorite local vineyard and bought 3 more bottles of wine, so we’re more than ready now LOL

  • InkedMarie

    I’ll be curious to see how she does after the month as well!

  • Pattyvaughn

    We’ve got a huge generator, but it still won’t run central air:-{  I bought a small window unit right after the 2004 hurricanes just because of that issue.  We had three of them go right over us and Francis rained on us for four days.

  • Alexandra

    Yeah. It’s not cold enough for it to stick, yet.

    Got to clean the gutters….then I should be good to go.

  • Melissaandcrew

    Inked Marie-

    I wanted the NPF, but the store I bought the raw(Abady) did not have it, so I got the maintance and stress-the fat is too much for my crew-but-

    Crude protein Not less than 12%
    Crude fat         ”   ”       ”    11%
    Crude Fiber      Not More than 0.3 %
    Moisture           ”      ”        ”   63%
    Ash                  ”    ”          ”   6.0%
    Linoleic Acid Not more than        1.5%

    Calcium mini 0.8 max 0.9
    Phosphorus min. 0.6  max 0.7

    Ingredients-Beef Lung, Muscle Meat, Dressed chicken, Beef Tripe, White Rice, Beef Meat and bone Meal, safflower oil, dicalcium phosphate, Lard(pork fat) Beef liver, Beef fat, potassium chloride, Vitamin A Acetate, d-Alpha Tocopheryl Acetate(source of Natural vitamin E)  Magnesium Oxide, Zinc Oxide, Amino acid supplement, Niacinamide, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Cupric Oxide, Inositol, Ascorbic acid(Vit C) Ergocalciferol(Vit D3), Potassium Iodide, Riboflavin, Vitr K1(phytonadione) Thiamine Hydrochloride, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Cobalt Chloride, Sodium selenite, Folic acid, Biotin, Vitamin b12(Cyanocobalamin concentrate)

  • Melissaandcrew

     Get a generator! The East Coast power outage that lasted a week or more back around 6-8 yrs ago was the reason we bought two. We had old dogs that could not tolerate the heat, and they had a grumpy owner who could not tolerate no coffee !

  • Pattyvaughn

    Better safe than sorry.  We always over prepare for hurricanes down here, but when we lost power for 5 days we were the only family in our area that could handle it without much hardship, except lack of airconditioning, that was true hardship;-P  I hope you all weather the storm easily and it’s behind you in no time followed by a bright sunny day.

  • Melissaandcrew

     Same here-my house looks like a survivalist compound, lol. Flashlights, water, candles,generators prepped and ready, and lots of wood brought in for the wood stove just in case.

  • Guest

    This was on the news here last month about the rice. I got rid of all the rice in my house. I gave away all the puppy food I had bought with rice in it. I cook for the puppy and my diabetic dog gets fed Bravo raw. Way healthier for the both of them. Of course on the news, they did not say one thing about dog food only baby food. I hate the FDA for not mentioning dog food. Do they not think our fur babies are family or do they just not care. That makes me very angry!!! A lot of people give their diabetic dogs brown rice cause it’s easier to smooth out their BG’s. I am so glad I did not do that. Bravo raw is the way to go and my dog loves it. He has been eating it for 8 months now and is doing great. My fur babies treats are meat we eat. My puppy has never eaten kibble. I did feed him canned food for awhile until I read about carrageenan, never again… Raw or cooked people food is what my babies get. I spend a lot of time making their food and scanning the stores for good healthy meat. People laugh when I buy London broil, steaks, and green wise chicken for my babies. But they eat better than most people do. We have also started eating all organic in my house. The FDA really does not care about us!!!! Good luck to the rest of you that feed your babies poison. Not in my house. My fur babies mean the world to me and I love them very much. Thank you for dogfoodadviser for making me wise up and do right by what means most to me in my life!!! I check my Facebook every morning to see if you have posted something new. Thank God for you!!!

  • Melissaandcrew

    Lol! I had the same impression of the website. I found it incomplete. I was able to find some information I wanted on other websites, and then I bit the bullet and called them directly.  Not only that, but I found the on and on “rants” distracting. Seriously, if it was not for Dog’s reviews, I would have “clicked to close” and never given it a second thought. I had to call them to find out where I could buy it “locally”.

    With that said, and going against my usual gut feeling on websites, I can’t wait to see how she does for the next 30 days. She is the reason I originally came here-no matter what we fed her, she would eventually get diarrhea(sometimes immediately and it would not resolve, other times after a few weeks) Either way, you never know if your getting up to a huge problem/cleaning mess. Downside is she seems to be drinking more than normal, and I think that is simply because she needs more water in her meals. I can’t “float” the granular like I do the kibble, so I am getting some of either the Vitality A or Apex 1 to mix in-I figure I can then add more water w/out creating a pasty mud that sticks to her bowl.

  • InkedMarie

    You guys have SNOW in PA? holy crap!

  • InkedMarie

    I’m in central NH, we’re due to have Sandy visit us as well. We’re ready: food, water, flashlights & generator has been run & is ready to go.
    Everyone in her path, stay safe!

  • InkedMarie

    I looked at the website again last night. I found it a little hard to read, maybe my older eyes are failing but it was hard for me. I read testimonials, someone said they ordered it direct from Abady but I found no link of where to buy. I read about their raw but did not see the raw foods listed, with ingredients, GA etc. Did I miss it?

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com/ Mike Sagman

    Hi doggonefedup,

    I must commend you on sharing this interesting and relevant scientific “find”.

    The actual safety review mentioned in your comment is based upon the “recommendations of the National Research Council of the National Academies (NRC) Committee on Minerals and Toxic Substances in Diets and Water for Animals (MTSA Committee) as published in Mineral Tolerance of Animals Second Revised Edition, 2005.”

    What’s most reassuring in these recommendations was the fact that the highest amount of arsenic they found in those 58 pet food samples was just 4.2% of the maximum tolerable level of 12,500 micrograms per kg.

    Even though we should wait for the final report from the FDA, it’s encouraging to see these figures.

    In the interest of completeness, I may add this information to my article.

    Thanks again for taking the time to find and share this NRC review with all of us.

  • doggonefedup

    Hi Mike,
    I do agree with everything you are saying. What I am saying is the problem is not isolated to just rice. So don’t avoid rice in favor of spinach (for instance) and think you are totally safe from arsenic exposure because “Concentrations in leaves of plants are much higher than in grains of plants. Thus, leafy vegetables can contain higher levels of arsenic than rice, especially when they are grown on arsenic-contaminated soils.” Leafy vegetables are also found in dog foods. higher concentrations of arsenic have been found in fruits that are also found in dog foods. Look back at the reports of high arsenic concentrations found in apple juice and pear juice. I don’t want to see people walk away with a false sense of security thinking that just avoiding rice is going to eliminate the threat of any arsenic being found in their choice of dog food. The truth about arsenic is that it can be found in just about everything we eat. The scary truth is these “designer” dog foods that advertise all the healthy fruits and vegetables which dogs have no biological need for may very well contain higher concentrations of the more toxic inorganic arsenic than dog foods containing white rice. Also where rice is concerned I do agree “erring on the sign of caution for both humans and their pets could be prudent,” just realize the problem goes much deeper that just rice. And I am in no way saying to just ignore the potential problem that rice may pose in dog food.
    I found this article that you may find interesting reading.
    I took the liberty of copying a small part just to get your curiosity up enough to want to read it. The study lasted more than three years.

    http://www.fda.gov/downloads/AboutFDA/CentersOffices/OfficeofFoods/CVM/CVMFOIAElectronicReadingRoom/UCM274327.pdf

    Arsenic (As)
    The greatest concentration of arsenic found in the 58 pet food samples analyzed was 524 μg As/kg DM. Rats appear to be more sensitive to arsenic than other species with 12,500 μg As/kg DM being nontoxic but 50,000 μg/kg DM producing toxicity in rats. Based on the data from laboratory rats, the MTSA Committee set a general maximum tolerance for mammals of30,000 μg As/kg DM. The greatest reported concentration of arsenic was only 4.2% of the MTL for the sensitive mammalian species (524/12,500 = 0.0419 = 4.2%). Thus, no adverse effects due to arsenic are expected from consumption of these 58 pet foods. 

  • Alexandra

    I hope not! :-). It is 400 pounds! It is in a storage area that isn’t heated, so HOPEFULLY it will stay cool, if not…well thanks for the great idea! :-)

  • Pattyvaughn

    If your power goes out does that mean you have to move the dog food outside for it to stay cold;-P  Our freezer is in the garage, so if it were me, I would only have to open the garage door after the storm passed.  Not optimal, I know.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    Oh great.  Admittedly, I haven’t been paying attention to the weather.  One of my sisters lives exactly where you’re talking about getting hit hard… on the WV & VA state lines.  I figured we’d end up with some rain next week.  I tend to pay more attention to the weather that results in the below sort of stuff (February, 2011).   Stay safe guys.  Keep us posted, please.  

  • Alexandra

    Hope that everyone in the path of this storm stays safe. We have snow here already in Ligonier, which is western PA, they are saying 12-18″ we live in the mountains.

    Was getting supplies most of the day.

    Hope the power doesn’t go out very long if at all, my freezer is full of dog food. :-(

  • Johnandchristo

    Patty….

    Stay safe, and good luck. Thanks for the input. I too hope its not what they are saying.

  • Pattyvaughn

    Hi John

    Decide early, so if traffic will be an issue, you will have plenty of time.  Family is more important than stuff.  Hope this thing doesn’t do half of what they are saying.  Stay safe!

  • Melissaandcrew

     If you are near water, I would honestly pack up the furkids and evacuate. They are saying this will rival the 1991 Perfect Storm that came through, and may be even more devastating than the Long Island Express/Yankee Clipper of 1938. We should know more tomorrow as to the track as the day goes on, but I just don’t see it “petering out” before making landfall. Thankfully, I am not near a large body of water, so the most flooding we will have is a basement issue if the rain is severe. Our concern here are trees full of leaves coming down and taking out power or damaging houses etc.

  • Melissaandcrew

     Hi Patty-

    Yes, that is a very real concern, but I think  the two are  going to meet over Virginia or West Virginia, an they may get 2 ft of snow.

  • Johnandchristo

    Hey Melissa,

    Hope you stay safe, I’m a little nervous, very near to the water. They are saying it will be bad. Been prepping, plus trying to get work done. might be leaving home don’t know.  

  • Pattyvaughn

    We’ve had weather from Sandy all day yesterday and today, just rain and wind for us, which we can easily handle.  I understand that some of you will have a cold front and hurricane collide, so you could get ice storms.  Stay safe and warm!!!

  • Melissaandcrew

     BTW-

    It is looking like you, John, myself and several other folks here will be getting hit hard by Hurricane Sandy as she rolls through on Monday. I hope all affected stay safe and sane during this event, and remember to prepare for the worst, and hope for the best.

  • Melissaandcrew

    That is unfortunate and I can’t say that I would want to repeat that experience either . It seems from the various websites I have looked at re their food, people either love them or hate them. I really do not find any “middle of the road” type comments. And, most reviews I have seen written are far from glowing. Given this, I can see their apparent reluctance at being scrutinized yet again.

    On the other hand, due to a lack of a review here, I had never heard of Abady dog food-and, if it were not for Doggone, I still would not know about it, despite the fact that its made here in “our” home state.

    I am not 100 percent thrilled with the ingredients-had it not been for Dog’s glowing reports of it, I never would have tried it even if I had stumbled upon it on my own.

    With that said, my seriously sensitive dobergal has been eating it almost exclusively for a few days now(she gets 4 NV medallions as the raw Abady did not work for her)  No stomach upset, no intestinal discord and she appears to love it. If it puts a few lbs on her, I would have to say its a darn good product : )

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com/ Mike Sagman

    Hi Doggonefedup,

    Many
    forms of arsenic are entirely safe. While others are highly toxic.
    What’s more, some types of rice contain more arsenic than others. The
    potential for unwelcome health effects depends not only on which type and how
    much of the chemical is present, but also in which region and the soil in which it’s grown. What’s more, the long term carcinogenic effects associated with arsenic are well-known in humans and may not show up for years.In any case, the FDA has stated in its recent news bulletin that its
    “ongoing data collection and other assessments will give us a solid
    scientific basis for determining what action levels and/or other steps
    are needed to reduce exposure to arsenic in rice and rice products”.

    Many dogs are fed the same rice-based food at every meal, every day, 365 days each year. So, the long term cumulative effects of arsenic consumption could be delayed.

    So, I believe erring on the sign of caution for both humans and their pets could be prudent. Until the FDA completes its research and establishes safe standards, it could be a good idea to remain vigilant and restrict the continual dietary consumption of rice.

    This is just one more reason I believe dietary diversification through rotation feeding can be so valuable for our dogs.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com/ Mike Sagman

    Hi Labs,

    You asked why I haven’t reviewed Abady Dog Food.

    Well, on more than one occasion, I called Abady Customer Service to ask a few questions to clarify some of the items listed on their labels.

    The company was completely uncooperative and even hostile once I identified myself as the editor of DFA.

    The last time I looked, the Abady website had posted a number of unflattering (scathing?) articles directed against The Whole Dog Journal, a newsletter I personally respect and enjoy.

    They’ve previously taken my name and phone number with a promise to return my calls with answers to my questions – which somehow they’ve never managed to do.

    I do hope to someday review their products. However, frankly I’m in no hurry to repeat these rather unpleasant experiences.

    Sorry to have to report such a negative experience.

  • doggonefedup

    let me correct myself since I can’t edit. I should have written:
     “end result CAN BE rice that has no more arsenic in it then plain tap water.

  • doggonefedup

    “All plants pick up arsenic,” John M. Duxbury, PhD, a professor of soil
    science and international agriculture at Cornell University in Ithaca,
    N.Y., says in an email. “Concentrations in leaves of  plants are much
    higher than in grains of plants. Thus, leafy vegetables can contain
    higher levels of arsenic than rice, especially when they are grown on
    arsenic-contaminated soils.”  Other studies have shown that arsenic content in soil is higher around
    rivers and may be related to soil texture. Clay soils have more
    naturally occurring arsenic. Because of its chemical structure, plants mistake arsenic for necessary nutrients and readily absorb it from the soil. Also arsenic has been used world wide as a pesticide for over a hundred years and is still in use in some places outside the US even today. The FDA has been aware of this for almost fifty years and has just started recording their findings over the past twenty years.
    The arsenic found in white rice can be reduced even further by simply soaking it for 24-48 hrs in the same manor that is used to reduce phytic acid the end result is rice that has no more arsenic in it then plain tap water.
    Food for thought the fruits and berries used in dog foods may very well contain more arsenic than rice.

    http://www.fda.gov/Food/FoodSafety/FoodContaminantsAdulteration/Metals/ucm280202.htm

    I just felt is was very important for people to know just avoiding rice isn’t going to eliminate the threat of arsenic since even higher levels have been found in apple juice and pear juice recently.

  • Toxed2loss

    Hi Missmom,
    Dogs have no biological need for carbs. They convert protein & fat to glucose, so there is no biological reason for adding any starch. It’s in dog food for people appeal, its a cheaper ingredient (raises manufacturers profit margin) and as a binder in kibbles. Grains, legumes and white potato all have adverse effects that can manifest as various health problems in dogs. Higher end kibble manufacturers are choosing different carbs, that have less Glycemic Index (GI) levels (to bind with), and no known dietary toxins. That’s why you’ll see tapioca starch, and sweet potato now.

    Just so you know. :-}

  • Pattyvaughn

    I feed a grain free food and I make my dogs raw food.  I also buy a little commercial raw for when I don’t feel like making everything.

  • Missmom57

    I think I will just start making my dogs food, she likes chicken and rice, but I will use potatoes instead, at least we can wash them!

  • Missmom57

    I feel the FDA needs to regulate this and until then rice is out of all our diets…My Gosh what else are they hiding?

  • Pattyvaughn

    One solution is to rotate between flavors and brands, which is good for them anyway.  If I was feeding grain inclusive foods, I would use one with oats or barley or something different next.

  • Cheviots

    What are we to do if brown rice is in our dog food’s ingredients. Now I am really scared. I feed Avodern Chicken and Brown rice formula for small dogs!

  • LabsRawesome

    I was just talking about the high levels of Arsenic found in rice, last week. Over on the “Best grain-free” dog foods thread. Dr. Mike, why isn’t Abady reviewed on this site?    LabsRawesome
     Hi
    Carolyn, I agree, about Abady, on their website they claim their food
    cures hip displasia. lol. I don’t like rice either, it has been found to
    have high levels of arsenic, recently. And that’s the rice for human
    consumption, which I don’t know Abady’s rice might be human grade?
    Difference is, I don’t eat rice every day, but a dog on their foods
    exclusively, does. This includes any dog food that contains rice, I’m
    not picking on just Abady. I would much rather feed my dogs grain free
    foods.

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  • Pattyvaughn

    It was quite a relief when I finally realized the turkey was well and truly vanquished!

  • Melissaandcrew

    LOl..well then I am glad to hear you got the best of it!

  • Pattyvaughn

    This one was 18 lbs and frozen.

  • doggonefedup

    turkeys kick very hard when you grab them by the neck…..
    and a dog that always runs north??? i’d be stumped on that one.  :->

  • Pattyvaughn

    What would you have said if I said he always ran North?

  • Pattyvaughn

    Ohhh, Yeeaahhh,  That does begin to make a little sense, but he was still squirrel for brains.

    And on a side note, I just got a new cleaver, never had one before.  I just had fun massacring a turkey.  I was amazed at how well that worked.

  • doggonefedup

    That would make sense. Since he was trained before you got him, and he came from czech border patrol where they were taught for generations to stay as close as possible to their handler. Did he also keep a physical contact with you in a crowd? That would explain a lot.

  • Pattyvaughn

    To Me!  He stuck like glue even though I would physically drag him back every time.  He had a tolerance of about 25 feet and 1.5 minutes.  I never could go longer or farther.  My other dogs I could leave in the back of the wagon and teach a class for an hour and then use them as demo dogs for an advanced class.  The only time I ever had trouble with my other dogs was when we were doing training for the K-9s that were going to be used in the Olympics in Atlanta.  They wanted to make 100% sure that those dogs would bite a woman, apparently it’s fairly common for them to refuse.  My dogs didn’t like me playing catch at all!!!  That was my contribution to security at the Olympics.

  • doggonefedup

    That czech dog you had that just wouldn’t stay…….what direction did he always run when you turned away? ;o}

  • Pattyvaughn

    See, the problem is, more tham an hour later and I’m still coming up with clever(in my mind) responses that aren’t fit to print.

  • Shawna

    I had the exact same reaction..  Still grinning from ear to ear…

  • Melissaandcrew

    ROFL!!! OMG! This is just too funny..

  • Pattyvaughn

    By the way, please continue to be a riot!  Everyone here needs a laugh;-P

  • Pattyvaughn

    I won’t even say what came to mind…I’ll leave it up to you to guess…Your imagination is fertile enough.

  • doggonefedup

    Patty,
    Please this is a family oriented site!!!
    “Rotate people, rotate.”  :->

  • aimee

    I have to say I’m very cautionary about the application of this information. So I fall into the too early to tell camp. : )

    For humans.. definately.. if I had an infant I wouldn’t be feeding a lot of rice based cereal products everyday. Humans are not efficient at eliminating arsenic and so chronic low level exposure is a problem.

    Dogs though are extremly efficient at eliminating arsenic. Effects of low level exposure of the type seen in humans doen’t occur in dogs. And calculaing out the amount reported in rice to a dog’s acute exposure level would mean the consumption of  somewhere around 5000 cups of rice in one day for a 25 lb dog. That ain’t gonna happen!! LOL

    And while considered carcinogenic in people, my understanding is that attempts to to duplicate this effect in animals have been unsuccessful.

    Finally how do I put this in context. Arsenic is found in chicken as they are often fed fish meal ( certain fish are high in arsenic) and due to the use of arsenicals ( going to be soon banned?? )  And fish is a source of arsenic as well so what it the level in fish meals used in our pet foods??

    So for now I’m reserving judgment and not going to be concerned if there is rice in my dog’s food.  I’m sure others will come to different conclusions.

  • Pattyvaughn

    Thanks Mike

    That’s a great article.  Rotate people, rotate.

  • Melissaandcrew

    Great article Mike-

    I have to agree. I already rotate to avoid overages or deficiencies in kibble, and this is just one more convincing reason  to rotate foods.

  • Redmm97

    Thank you for addressing this problem.  The next issue for us and our pets is the GMO modified foods.  Corn, Soy and Canola top the list.Six largest pesticide corporations
    funding effort to try to defeat GMO labeling Proposition 37

    Monday, October 22, 2012 by: J. D. Heyes

    (NaturalNews) In what should probably surprise no one who has been
    following the Proposition 37 issue, a California
    proposal that would require the ingredients in all GM foods to be labeled, the
    so-called “Big 6″ pesticide corporations have become the movement’s main
    opponents.

    Filings released this week by the California Secretary of
    State’s office denote that the world’s six largest pesticide corporations have
    become the six biggest contributors to opponents of Prop 37. In all, they have
    funneled in excess of $20 million to oppose the measure which, again, would
    require what should already be happening: the labeling of genetically engineered
    or modified food. The money has especially funded an aggressive, extensive ad
    campaign in recent weeks.

    “Pesticide corporations like Monsanto continue
    to enjoy unfettered and unlabeled access to the market, while consumers are left
    largely in the dark,” said Marcia Ishii-Eiteman, PhD, senior scientist at
    Pesticide Action Network. “Despite the best efforts of the big six to
    confuse and distort the issue, Californians have a right to know what’s in their
    food and how it’s grown.”

    The Big 6 – Monsanto, BASF, Bayer, Dow, DuPont
    and Syngenta – far and away dominate the global seed and pesticide markets; they
    are actively opposing Prop 37. In filings released recently, each of the
    corporations “made contributions of at least $2 million, with Monsanto’s
    contribution alone totaling more than $7 million,” said PAN, in a press
    release.

    What do the Big 6 have to hide?

    The opposition really
    wants Prop. 37 defeated. Including Big 6 donations, so far those committed to
    defeating it have ponied up in excess of $37 million; they’ve spent $19 million
    with Sacramento public relations firms and on aggressive television advertising
    and paid mailings to voters.

    But why? Why are companies so opposed to
    openness and honesty when it comes to allowing consumers the right to know
    what’s in the GM foods they are buying?

    The answer may lie in a
    comprehensive study released a week ago. According to Dr. Charles Benbrook, who
    conducted the study using federal government data, the Big 6 likely don’t want
    you to know that genetically engineered crops drive up the use of dangerous
    pesticides while they open more markets for them as well (as usual, “follow the
    money”).

    Benbrook found that GM crops have “increased pesticide
    use by over 400 million pounds in the United States over the past fifteen
    years,” said the PAN statement.”Increased pesticide use has led to
    greater and greater weed resistance. In turn, this has led to more applications
    of pesticides – as well as use of more hazardous pesticides – in agricultural
    fields, putting rural communities and farm workers at the greatest risk of harm
    due to pesticide exposure,” the activist organization said.More
    pesticides, more chemicals, more danger.In addition to the use of more
    pesticides, the control over seeds has also benefited these giant biotech
    companies – at the expense, of course, of consumers.”The Big 6 chemical
    and seed companies are working diligently to monopolize the food system at the
    expense of consumers, farmers and smaller seed companies,” said Philip H.
    Howard, an associate professor at Michigan State University and an expert
    on industry consolidation.In all, Monsanto alone controls 23 percent of
    the world’s seed market, while Bayer controls 20 percent of the global pesticide
    market.So what’s the big deal, really? Why should GM foods be labeled
    anyhow?Probably the biggest reason why is because GMOs – genetically
    modified organisms – in general were not created by food or
    agriculture companies. They were created by Monsanto – the same biotech
    and chemical company that brought us DDT, PCBs and Agent Orange. Monsanto also
    marketed aspartame and created bovine growth hormone (rBGH) to infect milking
    cows that put pus into commercial milk.That’s what the big deal
    is.

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