Taste of the Wild (Dry)

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Rating: ★★★★½

Taste of the Wild Dog Food receives the Advisor’s second-highest tier rating of 4.5 stars.

The Taste of the Wild product line includes seven dry dog foods, three claimed to meet AAFCO nutrient profiles for adult maintenance and four for growth (Puppy).

The following is a list of recipes available at the time of this review.

  • Taste of the Wild Southwest Canyon
  • Taste of the Wild Sierra Mountain (3.5 stars)
  • Taste of the Wild Wetlands Formula (5 stars)
  • Taste of the Wild High Prairie Formula (5 stars)
  • Taste of the Wild Pacific Stream Formula (4 stars)
  • Taste of the Wild High Prairie Puppy Formula (4 stars)
  • Taste of the Wild Pacific Stream Puppy Formula (4 stars)

Taste of the Wild High Prairie Puppy Formula was selected to represent the other products in the line for this review.

Taste of the Wild High Prairie Puppy

Dry Dog Food

Estimated Dry Matter Nutrient Content

Protein = 31% | Fat = 19% | Carbs = 42%

Ingredients: Bison, lamb meal, sweet potatoes, egg product, pea protein, peas, potatoes, canola oil, tomato pomace, roasted venison, roasted bison, flaxseed, potato fiber, natural flavor, ocean fish meal, salmon oil (a source of DHA), salt, choline chloride, dried chicory root, Yucca schidigera extract, tomatoes, blueberries, raspberries, dried Enterococcus faecium fermentation product, dried Lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation product, dried Lactobacillus casei fermentation product, dried Lactobacillus plantarum fermentation product, dried Trichoderma longibrachiatum fermentation extract, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate (vitamin B1), manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, niacin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin (vitamin B2), vitamin D supplement, folic acid

Fiber (estimated dry matter content) = 5.6%

Red items when present indicate controversial ingredients

Estimated Nutrient Content
MethodProteinFatCarbs
Guaranteed Analysis28%17%NA
Dry Matter Basis31%19%42%
Calorie Weighted Basis26%39%35%

The first ingredient in this dog food is bison. Although it is a quality item, raw bison contains about 80% water. After cooking, most of that moisture is lost, reducing the meat content to just a fraction of its original weight.

After processing, this item would probably account for a smaller part of the total content of the finished product.

The second ingredient includes lamb meal. Lamb meal is considered a meat concentrate and contains nearly 300% more protein than fresh lamb.

The third ingredient includes sweet potato. Sweet potatoes are a gluten-free source of complex carbohydrates in a dog food. They are naturally rich in dietary fiber and beta carotene.

The fourth ingredient is egg product, an unspecified (wet or dry?) form of shell-free eggs. Quality can vary significantly. Lower grade egg product can even come from commercial hatcheries — from eggs that have failed to hatch.

In any case, eggs are easy to digest and have an exceptionally high biological value.

The fifth ingredient is pea protein, what remains of a pea after removing the starchy part of the vegetable.

Even though it contains over 80% protein, this ingredient would be expected to have a lower biological value than meat.

And less costly plant-based products like this can notably boost the total protein reported on the label — a factor that must be considered when judging the meat content of this dog food.

The sixth ingredient includes peas. Peas are a quality source of carbohydrates. And like all legumes, they’re rich in natural fiber.

However, peas contain about 25% protein, a factor that must be considered when judging the meat content of this dog food.

The seventh ingredient is potato. Potatoes can be considered a gluten-free source of digestible carbohydrates. Yet with the exception of perhaps their caloric content, potatoes are of only modest nutritional value to a dog.

The eighth ingredient is canola oil. Many applaud canola for its favorable omega-3 content while some condemn it as an unhealthy fat.

Much of the objection regarding canola oil appears to be related to the use of genetically modified rapeseed as its source material.

Yet others find the negative stories about canola oil more the stuff of urban legend than actual science.1

In any case, plant-based oils like canola are less biologically available to a dog than fish oil as a source of quality omega-3 fats.

The ninth ingredient includes tomato pomace. Tomato pomace is a controversial ingredient, a by-product remaining after processing tomatoes into juice, soup and ketchup.

Many praise tomato pomace for its high fiber and nutrient content, while others scorn it as an inexpensive pet food filler.

Just the same, there’s probably not enough tomato pomace here to make much of a difference.

From here, the list goes on to include a number of other items.

But to be realistic, ingredients located this far down the list (other than nutritional supplements) are not likely to affect the overall rating of this product.

With three notable exceptions

First, salmon oil is naturally rich in the prized EPA and DHA type of omega-3 fatty acids. These two high quality fats boast the highest bio-availability to dogs and humans.

Depending on its level of freshness and purity, salmon oil should be considered a commendable addition.

Next, chicory root is rich in inulin, a starch-like compound made up of repeating units of carbohydrates and found in certain roots and tubers.

Not only is inulin a natural source of soluble dietary fiber, it’s also a prebiotic used to promote the growth of healthy bacteria in a dog’s digestive tract.

And lastly, this food contains chelated minerals, minerals that have been chemically attached to protein. This makes them easier to absorb. Chelated minerals are usually found in better dog foods.

Taste of the Wild Dog Food
The Bottom Line

Judging by its ingredients alone, Taste of the Wild Dog Food looks like an above average dry product.

But ingredient quality by itself cannot tell the whole story. We still need to estimate the product’s meat content before determining a final rating.

The dashboard displays a dry matter protein reading of 31%, a fat level of 19% and estimated carbohydrates of about 42%.

As a group, the brand features an average protein content of 31% and a mean fat level of 18%. Together, these figures suggest a carbohydrate content of 43% for the overall product line.

And a fat-to-protein ratio of about 57%.

Above-average protein. Above-average fat. And below-average carbs when compared to a typical dry dog food.

When you consider the protein-boosting effect of the pea protein, peas and flaxseed in this recipe as well as the potato protein and garbanzo beans contained in other recipes, this looks like the profile of a kibble containing a moderate amount of meat.

Bottom line?

Taste of the Wild Dog Food is a plant-based kibble using a moderate amount of named meats, meat meals and fish as its main sources of animal protein, thus earning the brand 4.5 stars.

Highly recommended.

Please note certain recipes are sometimes given a higher or lower rating based upon our estimate of their total meat content.

Those looking for a quality grain-free wet food may wish to visit our review of Taste of the Wild canned dog food.

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Notes and Updates

10/17/2013 Last Update

  1. Mikkelson, B and DP, Oil of Ole, Urban Legends Reference Pages (2005)
  • Hound Dog Mom

    I’d have to disagree. Processing greatly affects digestibility, as does where the meat protein is derived from – i.e. feathers are high in protein but not digestible (unless properly processed). Just because a protein is plant-derived doesn’t necessarily equate to a decreased digestibility either – for example, corn gluten meal has been shown to have a digestibility of around 87.5% while fresh beef has a digestibility of 76.3% and fresh poultry has a digestibility of 77.3%. I have also observed with my own dogs that high protein/high levels of meat doesn’t necessarily equate to high digestibility. My dogs had enormous stools on most dehydrated foods – even those with a high level of meat derived protein. I also fed my dogs Epigen 90 once to try it out (60% protein) and one of my dogs had the most enormous stools I’ve ever seen.

  • mward1993

    The ingredient label tells you A LOT about digest ability. I recently tried TOTW Pacific Stream with my two pit bulls. Before they ate high prairie. My personal dog, Natalia’s stool volume increased almost immediately. It wasn’t a huge increase and she was still digesting it well. But pacific stream has 25% protein vs high prairies 32%. I just bought a new bag of high prairie and she is back to tiny hard stool once or twice per day.A while back I had her on Natural Balance LID. Different company but very little meat and only 20% protein. Even with a part canned food diet she was having large stool 2-3 times per day. The amount of meat protein vs vegetable matter clearly makes a difference no matter what brand it is

  • mward1993

    I totally agree! I don’t care about a big name in dog food, or how many commercials They make with cute dogs dancing around on their hind legs with big hound like eyes. Besides being highly annoying, that tells me nothing at all about the nutritional value of a food. The ingredient list is basically all I care about. That is where the nutrition is coming from. The word “Iams” doesn’t make something healthy. Iams is a company that pretends to be healthy, dishes out money to vets and the AKC or whatever, and to “scientists” to do sick and pointless experiments on animals for what reason I don’t know.

  • beaglemom

    Did you ask them why they don’t just list “pork fat” on the bag then? How simple would that be and then none of this speculation would exist (about the “animal fat” anyway).

  • aimee

    : ) The term Animal Fat to describe pork fat is hardly good marketing as the term animal fat comes with so much “baggage”

    I have no reason not to believe that the company is using pork fat as they say they are.

    Generic terms on labels just don’t “wig” me out as long as the company is willing to define them. Would they not open themselves up to a huge law suit if the ingredients they use are other than what they define them as?

    It isn’t that the ingredient panel is of no use to me it just isn’t the first thing I look at. The ingredient name alone tells me nothing about the digestibility and bioavailability of the nutrients in that ingredient.

  • aimee

    I called the company, the fat source in Iams sensitive naturals is clarified pork fat.

  • aimee

    I don’t see that big of difference between the Iams made Natural’s ingredient list and the Diamond made TOTW product.

    Just as any company, Iams make’s different lines of foods that appeal to different price points etc

    If I had to choose between Iams So Good and TOTW. I’d feed the Iams product.

  • aimee

    Thanks HDM,

    I think it is a common misconception that “meat meals” are dehydrated muscle tissue.

  • aimee

    The definition of meal meal is
    “exclusive of any added blood, hair, hoof, horn, hide trimmings,
    manure, stomach and rumen contents except in such amounts as may
    occur unavoidably in good processing practices.”

    So hair etc is allowed in a meal. Foods utilizing Lamb Meal of poor quality may get consumer reports of hair sticking out of the kibble due to the high wool content.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    mward1992 – Named meat meals are not the clean muscle tissue with water removed. Meat meals are essentially by-product meals. Aimee is correct and is quoting the actual AAFCO definitions.

  • mward1993

    where do you get this info? A NAMED meat meal (chicken meal, beef meal, salmon meal ect) is the clean muscle tissue with water removed. Animals are around 60-80% water so when you remove all that water you get a 300% concentrated meat protein. Put that at the top of the ingredient list and you have a lot more meat content than a food with a whole meat first. I like to see whole meats in my foods too, but I like to see meals. And no by products.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Hi mward1993 –

    You do realize that “named meat meals” are, essentially, by-product meals right? The AAFCO only differentiates between “chicken meal” and “chicken by-product meal” – thus, any other “named meat meal” (i.e. lamb meal, fish meal, etc.) is likely merely a by-product meal derived from that protein source. Think about it, have you ever seen a food that listed “lamb by-product meal” or “buffalo by-product meal”? Per AAFCO definition, meat meal can also be sourced from 4D animals.

    “Meat meal (such as lamb meal) which is a rendered (cooked prior to pet food manufacturing) does NOT have the requirement to be sourced from slaughtered animals. But Meat By-Products which is a non-rendered ingredient does.”

    [http://truthaboutpetfood2.com/are-ingredient-definitions-allowing-loopholes-to-quality]

    Furthermore: “Though the ingredient name implies it should be ‘meat’ moisture removed and the definition of ‘meat’ is muscle tissue – meat meal can include almost any part of mammal tissue excluding blood, hair, hide, manure, stomach and contents of.”

    [http://truthaboutpetfood2.com/are-ingredient-definitions-allowing-loopholes-to-quality]

    So, in short, per AACO definition named meat meals can be derived from 4D animals and they can include anything except blood, hair hide, manure and stomach contents (so named meat meals can include items that would be classified as “by-products”).

  • aimee

    From reading through the “Ask the Nutritionist” section of her website I’d say as far as the label she would say the AAFCO statement is the most important piece of information. She advises people to looks for foods that have passed feeding trials over those formulated to meet the profile.

    Overall I’d say she ” ‘rank’ companies based upon their:
    1)quality control procedures, 2)committment to canine and feline
    research, 3)overall nutrient profiles, and 4)willingness to answer tough
    questions.”

    Overall favors the large mainstream companies for meeting her criteria.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com/ Mike Sagman

    Hm-m-m-m. So you “don’t see that big a difference” between Iams So Good and Taste of the Wild?

    Well, contrary to Dr. Remillard and the like, most of us can indeed tell a LOT about any product by simply reading the label.

    Iams So Good and TOTW aren’t even close to being of the same quality.

    Iams So Good contains just 23% protein and 11% fat whereas TOTW contains 31% protein and 18% fat!

    Now, throw in some soybean meal and corn gluten meal and So Good doesn’t look “so good”. Looks to me like much of its protein comes from plants and not meat.

    Labels may not be perfect. However, they sure can help protect us from an industry that’s been known to take indecent liberties with the truth.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com/ Mike Sagman

    Really? We should regard the Iams FAQ as fact and the ingredient list as “marketing” (a.k.a. fiction)?

    Surely, you’re kidding.

    So, Iams can call it chicken fat on their unregulated FAQ and we should consider that fact but we should disregard the words “animal fat” on their ingredients list because that’s “marketing”.

    I completely disagree with Dr. Remillard or anyone else who favors an FAQ or any other words posted by a company on its website over those on its legal document (a label’s ingredients list).

    The phrase “animal fat” allows any company who uses such a generic term on their label to fudge what they actually incorporate into each batch.

    Sorry, Aimee. With all due respect, this time I couldn’t agree with you or Dr. Remillard any less.

    I’ll take the label any day as closer to the truth over any company FAQ.

  • aimee

    How does floor sweeping come into this? LOL

    You seem to be under the impression that a named meal is a concentrated meat source… actually there may not be any meat ( muscle tissue) in a “meat meal”.

    “Meat meal” being a rendered product can consist of any part of the animal including hair, horn, and intestinal contents and can come from dead and euthanized animals.

    Meat by products however is a fresh ingredient, must come from a slaughtered animal and be exclusive of hair, horn, hooves, and intestinal contents.

  • Bob K

    aimeem – What does Dr. Remillard recommend for dog food evaluations?? the ingredients list is exactly what the “Dog Food Advisor” uses.

  • aimee

    You bring up a good point. I don’t understand why companies list an ingredient as a generic name instead of the actual name as it leads to wild speculation. Yet it is commonly done.

    For example the Iams So Good ingredient panel includes “animal fat” which is identified in the FAQ as chicken.

    “The fat source used in our Iams So Good products is animal fat (chicken fat). ”

    You’ll also find “animal fat” listed in their K/O and F/P and it is identified as pork fat in the FAQ. “The animal fat in the Iams Veterinary Diets Response FP and KO is pork.”

  • mward1993

    floor sweepings over clean concentrated meat protein?

  • mward1993

    Animal fat. What animal? It could be any animal. The fat of any animal carcass including euthanized cats and dogs. This is NON FICTION.

  • aimee

    I don’t know… there can be so much variation in ingredient quality I can’t make that leap to say a named meal is better then meat by product. Actually based only on name I’d be more likely to choose meat by product over a meal.

  • aimee

    Since an ingredient name doesn’t give me information about that ingredient’s quality I’ve come to look upon the ingredient panel as somewhat of a marketing tool.

    Guidelines on how to evaluate a pet food written by veterinary nutritionists do not advise judging a diet on the ingredient list. For example, Dr Remillard ACVN says “one cannot and should not attempt to assess the quality of a pet food product from the ingredient list. It simply cannot be done.”

    That said comparing the main ingredients of TOTW vs Iams I don’t see that big of a difference.

    TOTW:Salmon, ocean fish meal, sweet potatoes, potatoes, canola oil

    Iams: Ocean Fish, Brewers Rice, Ground Whole Grain Sorghum, Fish Meal (source of fish oil), Ground Whole Grain Barley, Animal Fat

  • mward1993

    Named meats and meat meals are better than meat byproducts…no matter what company you are talking about. Sweet potatoes and even white potatoes are better than corn and wheat.

  • mward1993

    but as far as actual ingredients in the food…TOTW is far better in quality.

  • aimee

    If you are asking why I’d feed Iams over TOTW it is because I evaluate a food by first evaluating the company that produces it.

    The Iams’ company better meets my criteria than does Diamond.

  • mward1993

    Why?

  • aimee

    I’m not sure of the context of your question. I didn’t comment on either Iam’s or TOTW.

    FWIW I’d feed Iams over TOTW.

  • mward1993

    What could Iams possibly have in common with TOTW anyway? Iams is VERY poor quality.

  • martycurt

    It’s even better now that it’s been reformulated without corn.

  • aimee

    Hi Lisa,

    In most cases it takes much longer than 2 weeks for a dog with an adverse food reaction to show significant improvement once the offending agent has been removed from the diet.

    Because OTC foods, when tested, have been shown to contain proteins not on the label I don’t find them suitable to use for a food trial.

    You’ll find a good article about food allergies here:

    http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&S=0&C=0&A=652

    At the end of it it links to an article on how to do a food trial.

  • mward1993

    About her being hungry all the time…TOTW is fairly low calorie when compared to other grain free foods…for an 18 month old boxer it may be too low. I would try a grain and potato free food. Natures variety LID is potato and grain free.

  • Storm’s Mom

    Well, it depends on which formula of Iams then, I guess. Like I said, check out the ingredients lists of the 2 and see what’s common, and that will likely give you an indication of where to go from here. If there’s nothing in common, or if it continues for a while after feeding her a food without the common ingredient, then I would start to look at something environmental or internal/medical.

  • Lisa

    I had her on Iams prior to the TOTW.

  • Storm’s Mom

    What were you feeding her before you switched to Pacific Stream? Could be the potatoes, if that’s a common ingredient between the two. Anyway, look at the ingredients of the 2 foods (and/or any others that you may have fed to date) and see what the common ingredients are..and if there’s more than 1 try another food with 1 of the ingredients but not the other(s) to try to figure out which ingredient it might be.

  • Lisa

    I have a 18 month old boxer who chews her feet and scratches her face. The vet said it’s probably a food allergy. I switched her to TOTW Pacic Stream hoping it would help but it’s been 2 weeks and the scratching and chewing is still happening. Plus her stool is runny now. I also give her green beans because she seems hungry all the time since switching her. Any suggestions?

  • Mrs Fleck

    Hi I have a puppy and the breeder I got her from has developed her own. It is called Challenge look on the Internet. It is salmon based. My puppy is on the premium puppy. Good luck

  • Pattyvaughn

    What does Merrick have to do with this conversation? Evo is made by P&G and TOTW is made by Diamond, neither have anything to do with Merrick or having a conscience.

  • Jeff Scileo

    What does religion have to do at all with this conversation? Is it listed as one of the ingredients? In a word wholly lacking in family structure with single mothers seemingly making up a growing number of pregnancies, is a message about counseling couples to stay together so bad? Oh wait…they must’ve used the bad word – Christian.

  • mward1993

    I don’t know because I just started feeding it a couple months ago. Do the whole food ingredients look different from what you remember?

  • mward1993

    Really? Wow, so now we are using dog food to push a religious agenda?

  • Bella

    Has TOTW added something new to the Pacific Stream formula? My new pup and my 2yr old Golden (who has been on TOTW since birth) have started chewing their paws. My 3 older dogs, who are on another brand, aren’t. Thanks

  • Theron Seitz

    I don’t know where your politics lie, but as someone who considers himself a progressive liberal, I cannot in good conscience feed Merrick to my dog. For a long time, they had a message on their bags that directed purchasers to a website that advocated “traditional marriage” and offered Christian marriage counseling.

  • ollie

    I have my dogs on Merrick and I switched to it in may and they LOVE it. just put my big dog on grain free ( I didn’t have any problems with classic) and have my small one on classic. I”m not sure if its in the same price range as EVO but its a 5 star food.

  • mward1993

    Since TOTW high prairie has chicken meal I would definitely switch to something chicken free.

  • Storm’s Mom

    I’d try something..anything…without chicken. TOTW Pacific Stream would seem to be the easiest thing to switch to, and you’ll know pretty quickly whether it is chicken because a lot of the other ingredients are, of course, the same between the 2 formulae. From there (or even directly from High Prairie), I would switch to something that is not TOTW …because TOTW is made by Diamond, which has the worst recall history among dog food manufacturers. Maybe try Earthborn Holistic Coastal Catch, NutriSource Grain Green Lamb Meal, Nature’s Logic, or one of the chicken-free Merrick GF formulae.

  • palm0421

    I was feeding my dog EVO Red meat formula, until the recent recalls. I was advised (by what seemed a pretty knowledgable employee in the pet store) to try Taste of the Wild High Prairie Formula. Since then, my dog has gradually developed worsening dander and increased itchiness. I’m very certain it’s a food allergy of some sort, but haven’t seen the vet yet. If anybody has some input on what product I should try next, please share.

  • Black Dog

    Two of the TOTW varieties are actually 5 star. I mix them together and my dog loves it, no issues, no problems for over 3 years from a Fromm product. This is a great food and I have experimented a lot with different foods.

  • mward1993

    Nutri Source is good.

  • Storm’s Mom

    Fingers crossed for you! NutriSource is one of my favourite brands. Good food at a great price! Family owned company that manufacturers their own food.. with no recalls to date! It’s a brand that dogs just seem to do really well on, regardless of what they’ve been fed before. You can also rotate among them fairly easily, too.. from the seafood to the lamb one, etc

  • cozzette2

    Thank you for the responses. I actually purchased Nutri source seafood today. It came recommended. It is lower protein and has some probiotics. It is made in America. I also found out I have been way over feeding him. I will start out slowly with the new food but the Vet has him on Benedryl, antibiotics and pain meds so it will be tough to know what might be causing any issues that he might have over the next week or so. He didn’t exactly scarf on the new food so I hope he likes it. I sure don’t want to play food roulet

  • mward1993

    You could try a fish based food that doesn’t use any other proteins in it. Fish will also aid the skin in recovery. I just bought TOTW pacific stream for my pitties after they finished high prairie. It only uses fish, sweet potatoes, peas, potatoes, berries, canola oil, ect. It may be worth a shot if you don’t want to switch brands.

  • Betsy Greer

    Hi cozzette2,

    I think the issue is more so that he’s “always been on TOTW bison puppy” rather than he’s getting too much protein.

    Here’s a good article by Dr. Becker regarding hot spots, why they develop and some ways to treat and identify the root cause: http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2010/04/21/treating-dog-hot-spots.aspx

    My first thought would be to change foods to some other grain free product that utilizes a different (not less) protein source than the bison you’re currently using and give your pup a good probiotic. I use the Mercola ones when I use them, but others use human probiotics from Swanson’s with great results.

    It’s a good idea to choose several foods that your pup does well on to avoid intolerances from developing which can result in things like hot spots, among other things.

    Your pup isn’t by chance a large breed pup, is it? If so, you need to choose an food with an appropriate Calcium level for a large breed puppy.

  • cozzette2

    My puppy has been chewing himself to pieces. He has a fifty cent size hot spot on his paw. He has always been on TOTW bison puppy. The vet said he may be getting too much protein. I usually add some raw meat to his kibble and he chews on a bully stick. I guess now the search begins . We do have a local small pet store with really knowledgeble owners. I think I will try something other than TOTW. I will let you know if a new food with different ingredients help. I am just hoping it is his food and not envirionmental. We went to the lake a week ago and his itching got worse.

  • Eldee

    potato, may not be so good for your dog. yeasty.

  • Ali

    Wow! I had no idea. I will definitely do some more research on their company. I had only done the initial nutrition research. Thanks for the heads up. As for the $5 extra I totally agree with you but convincing other people can sometimes be hard. I’m just happy to be getting someone off of grocery store food most of the time.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    I did a cost per calorie analysis on Earthborn and TOTW at one time to compare and I remember Earthborn came out cheaper and I’m almost certain that was without even factoring in the frequent buyer program Earthborn offers.

  • Pattyvaughn

    FDA warning letter to Evangers.

    http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/Enfor

    http://www.poisonedpets.com/ow…see
    This is some of what they have been up to.

  • mward1993

    Really?? I thought they were a good company! I have never fed Evangers but I did get a can of their chicken wings for dogs donated to my foster dog…the bones were in but they crumbled under slight pressure. I thought it was neat that they could safely include the whole, cooked bones in their product.

  • aimee

    On an energy basis the two foods are similar Earthborn Primitive is 3800 kcal/kg and TOTW Wetlands reports 3750kcal/kg.

    Since we pay for foods on a weight basis, whichever costs less /kg would be the brand that likely would be least expensive to feed.

  • Melissaandcrew

    Hi Ali-
    Earthborn does have a frequent buyer program now-just have the store manager call the rep and ask for the frequent buyer cards. I believe its buy 10, get 1 free-which would make up for the $5 a bag difference : )

  • Storm’s Mom

    Good call, great point!!

  • Kikki

    Comparing their most calorie densed formulas, Earthborn Primitive Natural 445 kcal/cup vs. TOTW Wetlands 375 kcal/cup, a bag of Earthborn will last quite a bit longer than TOTW so it really evens out the price minus the stress factor of feeding a Diamond food.

  • Storm’s Mom

    Nutrisource immediately comes to mind as a “more afforable high quality food”.

    As for the Earthborn being $5 more than TOTW …frankly, it’s worth it for the peace of mind alone. But it’s also a better product.

    Evangers I wouldn’t touch with a 10-foot-pole, nor would I suggest anyone feed it. They’ve been in trouble a number of times for very dubious business practices (including, but not limited to, not having any of the meat in the product that it says on the ingredient list, and stealing electricity).

  • Ali

    I have no interest in switching back because she is doing well on the Earthborn and I’ve been happy with it. I do always suggest EB to customers but it is about $5 more expensive for a 5 lb bag than TOTW, so for people on a budget it is our best GF option. We just started carrying Evangers which we’ve been switching people to especially after the Natura recall. But TOTW still seems to be very popular with our customers despite the issues that Diamond has had. I am always looking for more affordable high quality food suggestions for our customers (even if we don’t carry it) so if you have any of those I’d greatly appreciate it! It also may be helpful to state that my store is in Philadelphia so we have some inflated city pricing to deal with…

  • Kikki

    If you don’t have a problem with grain inclusive foods, their NutriSource Senior Chicken and Rice (it’s an all life stages food, rated 4 stars) made Dr. Mike’s suggested low fat list of foods. If you prefer grain free, I’d recommend Annamaet Lean or Wellness Core Reduced Fat, both rated 5 stars (I personally use the last mentioned).

  • Storm’s Mom

    If I were you, I wouldn’t switch back to TOTW and I wouldn’t suggest it to my/your customers, either, primarily because of Diamond’s horrific recall history. Surely your store carries other non-Diamond foods that you can recommend instead? Does your pet supply chain not sell Earthborn, then, which is why you can’t recommend it to your customers? I would suggest following the “honesty is the best policy” approach.

    As for the ear issue, I would’ve said potatoes might be a problem, but since Coastal Catch has them, too, I’m not really sure. Chicory root and tomatoes are 2 ingredients that TOTW has that Coastal Catch doesn’t… so maybe you’re getting a reaction to one of them? (there may be other ingredients that TOTW has that Coastal Catch does not, those are just the first 2 that jumped out at me)

  • Ali

    Any insight on why my dog may be getting ear infections and just overall excess yeast in her ears while on TOTW? I had her on Pacific Stream for the first couple months I had her (she’s a pit/plott hound mix) and was having to clean her ears daily because of how smelly they would get literally overnight. I switched her to Earthborn Coastal Catch and her ears a very rarely dirty now. I have no problem sticking with Earthborn but since I work for a small pet supply chain and customers ask me all the time what I feed my dog, I’d like to be able to give them a clear response on why I don’t feed TOTW to my dog even though I’m suggesting it for theirs… Any ideas??

  • InkedMarie

    Wellness Core reduced fat.

  • mward1993

    No brand is immune to bad batches. No matter how strict a company is, they are human and still prone to error.

  • mward1993

    Just curious, do they have a decent weight loss food, or food good for weight loss that DOESNT cut the protein way down and instead reduces carbs and fat, and adds things like L Carnitine?

  • Missrobin

    So about a week ago I again switched Buddy over to only Merrick, (buffalo/sweet potato) I got the enzymes and probiotics, the first 3 days or so he ate the food great, then he stopped eating again, I put food in his bowl and it remains untouched, only eating every other day or so. And he has begun throwing up again – clear liquids only. NEVER throws up any other time. Sheesh!!!!

  • mward1993

    Its a great town. Phydeaux also donates a lot to local rescue groups.

  • Pattyvaughn

    No, but I have family that lives in Chapel Hill. We visit NC about once a year.

  • Kikki

    Please consider NutriSource. It’s a great, easy digestible and affordable food many, many people have had great experience with, especially as a transition food from a lower quality food.

  • mward1993

    you live in NC?

  • Vivian Maggard Baker

    Evo and California Naturals had recalls not too long ago…so they are not immune to bad batches

  • Vivian Maggard Baker

    Yes it is great to see that they are digesting TOTW and not putting it on the ground…Happy healthy dogs with great skin…

  • Pattyvaughn

    That’s exactly what I like to do. We have a couple small locally owned stores that I like to shop at. Of course for me, locally owned means a 40 minute drive, so I have to find reasons to go to that area just so I can visit them. I’ll have to remember Phydeax next time I’m in Chapel Hill.

  • Vivian Maggard Baker

    Totally agree I have been feeding TOTW for 3 years to 7 dogs of different breeds without any problems…I think it is the best dog food for people who want to feed a good food at a reasonable price…Mine love the bison but won’t touch the fish…Maybe the dogs that are having problems may have special issues….TOTW is a 4.5 star food that many can afford…and for every person that has complaints about it there are 5 that love it…

  • mward1993

    One other thing you can do is make it a point to shop at small locally owned pet stores. The ones I shop at are run by people who are serious doggie health nuts. They stay on top of recalls and pull food first thing when there is a recall. One of these stores, Phydeaux in Chapel Hill NC, has employees who have visited different pet food plants, and really know what they put on their shelves. Phydeaux and other local NC pet stores are also a lot cheaper than large big name stores. I assume that is true in most areas.

  • Storm’s Mom

    What is his “old kibble” that you’ve gone back to?

  • perejen

    I gradually switched my 11y.o. G.S./Rott mix to TOTW Wetlands Formula and he too had excessive urination and his poops went from loose to runny. I took him to the vet because I thought he had a tummy bug. My vet said to give him a bland diet (chicken & rice) and put him back on his old kibble. he’s fine now but I don’t think I’ll be switching his food again…

  • mward1993

    yes,
    i am signed up :)

  • Pattyvaughn

    Or you can sign up for recall alerts by email and let Dr Mike do the work for you. On the left hand side of this page, eighth option from the top.

  • mward1993

    You should never assume that any company is immune to recalls. Any product can become contaminated no matter how careful the company is. TOTW is made by diamond and even though it is probably their highest quality product, diamond still has a history of at least two recalls. One in 2007 and one in may of 2012. I think the diamond plants have made some changes since the last recall, hopefully for the better. But I would always be alert.

  • Kikki

    If you don’t have time to constantly be checking which companies or plants that are having a recall, TOTW is definitely a brand you shouldn’t be feeding considering Diamond’s extensive recall history.

    Saying something like “I finally found something that really works for my dog and I guess I’ll just have to be extra alert for recalls since I choose to feed this brand despite the high risk of a recall” would make more sense.

    It would make sense for an owner to be proactive and want to know about a recall ASAP and hopefully stop feeding the contaminated food before the dog gets sick. Not turn a blind eye and rather wait until the dog is sick to realize something is wrong, especially when choosing to feed a food from a company with the history that Diamond has.

  • michele

    Not sure, but the switch completely cleared up his problems.

  • RavinLunatic

    My shephard/lab mix has “unknown” allergies since I moved here 4 years ago. Her tail was bald on the top, her skin was red and splotchy, she had no undercoat, and she smelled bad. She is such a beautiful dog and I had to save her dignity somehow!

    When the vet put her on a strict diet she was gaining weight! After lots of research I decided to go grain-free and tried three other brands (about 2-3 bags each) with no results.

    Finally, TOTW Hi Prairie with the venison did it! She is into her third bag and her coat is so luxurious that it looks like some other dogs! Her tail if fully furred and NOW the only problem is her coat is SO THICK and it’s still summer here! LOL Her skin isn’t red and she hasn’t needed a bath in two months she smells so awesome! …love dat dog smell! Love dat TOTW!!

    Besides, who has time to constantly be checking out dog mfg plants for recalls all over the nation. I trust this one.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Unfortunately, without being able to smell it myself I can’t really tell you if it’s normal or not. What I can tell you is that all of the Champion products I’ve used have had a strong meaty smell (due to freshness and high meat content) versus many other brands I’ve used which have had little to no smell.

  • KatharinaC

    So I just received the bag of Acana Adult Dog food and I don’t know if there is something wrong with this particular batch but compared to the TOTW that I was using it smells horrible. It has a much more pungent/strong smell than the TOTW, is that normal? I really hope so b/c I know its supposedly one of the best foods out there. Please help

  • 2XGreatDanes

    I have two 5 y.o. Great Danes. I have been feeding them TOTW regularly for about 4 years. They will eat the Wetlands Canine Formula with Roasted Wild Fowl, but refuse to eat the other types. Some dogs are pretty selective about their foods. Don’t assume the food is bad just because they won’t eat it.

  • Pattyvaughn

    Some reporting vomitting, some reporting diarrea, all resolve after a change in food. Just watch for possible issues.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Blue wasn’t involved in last May’s Diamond recall and – to my knowledge – is not co-packed by Diamond currently, although they may have used Diamond in the past. The other brands involved were 4Health, Premium Edge, Professional, Country Value and Apex.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    They do still use Diamond, unfortunately. :(

    Form what I understand their own manufacturing facility has a very limited capacity and only those living in the same geographical region would be getting product produced at their facility – Diamond produces their foods for the rest of the country.

  • Kikki

    Thanks for the correction.

  • spidrmines

    Canidae is their own company, not a part of Diamond. However, I do believe they still use Diamond for some of their co-packing of certain formulas. At least they did last year (might have changed). If they still do, you are right, not much better than feeding TotW on a potential recall basis…

  • spidrmines

    Or Natural Balance, Blue, Solid Gold, Wellness, Chicken Soup…. All were recalled this year at the same time as Diamond Naturals and Taste of the Wild because they were being co-packed by Diamond. A few others I think I’m forgetting too….

  • Kikki

    From what I’ve read, they changed the High Prairie (Bison/Venison) formula recently. Could be that, that your dogs are reacting to.

  • Kikki

    Canidae is owned by the same company as TOTW, not a food I’d recommend for people havibg problems with TOTW.

  • Kikki

    I’m on my second bag of TOTW (High Prairie and now Wetlands) and have not had any issues, however, I live in CA and most likely are not getting food manufactured from the problematic SC plant. Either way, after finishing up this bag, I’m done with TOTW and will not be feeding any foods manufactured by Diamond. I would advice you to bring back the food bag to the store and ask to change for something else. I would recommend Earthborn Holistic, their food is very similar to TOTW but made by a more trustworthy company. A few other foods that I’m currently liking are Nature’s Logic and NutriSource.

  • mward1993

    How did that happen? Do you really think its the food?

  • mward1993

    Serious problems? I have noticed nothing with TOTW except my pit bull having tiny stools compared to what she had on natural balance.

  • Mel

    I have a 3 month pitbull and we started buying the brand Fromm and have had good results. I also hear Canadea (not sure on spelling is a good brand) that is if you are going grain free. Good luck and switch food soon by the sounds of it.

  • Pattyvaughn

    Several people who feed TOTW regularly are reporting problems with it lately. I wouldn’t waste any time switching.

  • Koda & Phoenix

    Hi guys,
    I have a pure bread Siberian (Koda) and a Border Collie/German Shepherd Mix (Phoenix) and I recently changed their food to Taste of the Wild (Pacific Stream formula) since they both LOVE fish. I’m well aware that the transition can at times cause their GI tract to be a little shaken until they get accustomed to the new food, but they seem to barely eat it. It can sit in their dish for a full day before they touch it. If I scoop it out with my hands they will eat from my hand but not from the dish. During their transition there was excessive peeing, and their poop was soft. Again I understand this can be part of the transition but it is so not like Phoenix to leave 4-5 large puddles of pee on the floor, large to the point you’d question someone pouring water on the floor. Not to mention, the urine was clear. Koda, vomited 4 times in different piles (which is not like him, at all) and it was bile only. Has this happened to anyone before? I’m just curious if TOTW isn’t as great as it seems. My only reason for changing foods to a better brand was because for the past 6 months, Phoenix has been spontaneously vomiting and all that came up was her previous food (sorry for the gross details). I’m just trying to make sure that they are healthy and that I find the best possible brand for them. Any feedback would be great!!

    Thanks!

  • Michele

    Our Lab has been eating TOTW and doing great. All of the sudden he stopped eating it, he got a nasty ear infection and started bleeding a bit from his nose. We took him to the Vet and they could only find a possible ear infection. I switched his food to Infinia 2 days ago and he is back to normal? Something doesn’t seem right.

  • jimmy

    2 of my dogs have been eating TOTW Bison/Venison for 5 years, but both have recently stopped eating and started vomiting a few times per day. They refuse TOTW but will eat my other dog’s California Natural. Could this be a bad batch of TOTW?

    The dog that doesn’t eat TOTW is fine and the two that do will eat chicken and different foods, but not TOTW.

  • Shawna

    Hi Missrobin,

    I actually hadn’t read your initial post til just now.. My five pound Pom, Gizmo, has weepy eyes. She is intolerant of chicken — it causes not only weepy eyes but colitis. With removal of chicken the colitis went away but her eyes continued to weep (sometimes getting better but not for long). I’m a raw feeder so I rotate what the dogs get about ever 2 to 3 days.

    I started to notice more eye goo when I fed her duck so set about to test.. When on the duck she has weepy gooey eyes but also had it off. Eliminated duck. Then noticed a correlation between eyes and turkey so eliminated turkey. Eyes continued to improve but not perfect. All be darned if the ostrich I was feeding is ALSO causing weepy, gooey eyes.. It appears as though my little stinker reacts to “poultry”…

    One of the posters, aimee, had suggested a potential reaction to a family of proteins once before (not related to my situation). I poo poo’d the idea. BUT leave it to my Gizmo to teach me that I’m not as smart as I think I am :)… UGH

    Anyway the point is, the reaction could potentially be to more than one ingredient. If you continue to think that it is food related try putting her on a novel protein and carb source — possibly even home prepared (short term of course). Maybe venison and pumpkin or turkey and sweet potato or whatever she hasn’t eaten before. This is an unbalanced diet so only feed this way for a few weeks. And if you do homemade, add 1/2 teaspoon of ground eggshell (after cleaning and drying) to balance the calcium to phosphorus. The Whole Dog Journal discusses it here http://www.whole-dog-journal.com/eletter/profile/1/33706.html?ET=wholedogjournal:e33706
    Good luck!!! I honestly know what a challenge it can be!!!

  • Missrobin

    Thank you everyone for all your help, I’m now equipped to get Buddy back on track!

  • Pattyvaughn

    Look for NutriSource. They are a good food at good prices. And no recalls.

  • Pattyvaughn

    Yes, they are made by the same company, Diamond. When evaluating foods for similarities, you also have to look at the Guaranteed analysis. I think you’ll find that those are not the same. I’m with Storm’s Mom, I don’t trust Diamond because of their many serious recalls.

  • Petlover#3

    Thank you storms mom, it makes me question….what is best, do I have to start making my own pet foods? Is there a sound choice?

  • Storm’s Mom

    Yes, Diamond Foods make both of them. Diamond, is, unfortunately, primarily known for its really bad recall history. For that reason, I won’t feed Taste of the Wild or Nature’s Domain.

  • Petlover#3

    I have been searching sites everywhere to determine if Taste of the wild does in fact have the same manufacturer as Costco’s Natures Domain food?! The ingredient content is almost exactly the same, both come out of Missouri if my research is correct. I really like ‘Taste’ and have no problem with the food, my dogs love it. But if I can get the same quality for a better price…..why not…thank you for any responses.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Taste of the Wild is actually owned by Diamond. :(

  • Crazy4cats

    In addition to the supplements the others have suggested, the website dogaware dot com has many helpful suggestions. Good luck.

  • Crazy4cats

    I totally disagree with the previous poster’s reply. I feed two different brands. I don’t mix, however. I feed Nutrisource in the am and Merrick in the pm at the moment. That way if one has a recall, I can just feed the other brand til I introduce another for the other feeding. The only problem is though, if one food disagrees with them, it may be harder to pin point which food is the issue. Best to feed just one until you know it works before introducing another. Clear as mud, right? Lol! Good luck. I know it’s difficult to choose. And the price of some of the really good foods are so hard to afford with multiple pets.

  • Pattyvaughn

    Nothing new there.

  • Pattyvaughn

    If the one you are primarily feeding is the poison, then by adding in others, you would be diluting the poison, so your logic doesn’t hold up. It’s unlikely that all the different foods someone is feeding will have the same issues unless they are all from the same manufacturer, then they should have the same amount of the same issue, so it would still be like feeding all of the one food with an issue.

  • rayzor1234

    OK, I’m put off of the Taste of the Wild brand now and will be switching foods since I previously didnt know they were associated with Diamond which has had many recalls

  • Shawna

    Storm’s Mom is correct. :) Mercola pet probiotics are one of the best and can be purchased at http://www.mercola.com (then click the link “Pets” at the top of the page and then “Products” on the Pets page). Another good probiotic is Garden of Life Primal Defense (a human product). I believe Hound Dog Mom and Pattyvaughn use the Swanson probiotics (human probiotic found online I believe).

    There are at least 14 known beneficial gut bacteria/yeast in the dogs digestive tract. Whether you go with one of the above or something different, try to find one that has as many strains included as possible. If you supplement with only a few strains you run the very real risk of killing off all strains but what you are supplementing with. Since ALL have a valuable job that would be a very bad thing…

    Edit — there are basically two types of digestive enzymes (animal based and plant based). Most on the market are plant based. These are usually fine unless the dog (or human) has an issue with the yeast that the enzymes are grown on to produce them for the product. Mercola also has the best, that I have found, enzymes for pets on the market as well. They are primarily animal based and have additional nutrients added to help even further with digestion.

  • Storm’s Mom

    Yeah, I had to clear my cache and close the browser before I could log back into DFA as Storm’s Mom and not Shelley.

  • Storm’s Mom

    I am hoping Shawna, Hound Dog Mom, Pattyvaughn, etc can weigh in on this because I’m in Canada and I’m not sure we’ve got the same brands of probiotics and digestive enzymes as you do. I have heard lots of talk of Mercola being the best of the bunch down there, for what that’s worth. But, like I said, hopefully someone else in the US can pipe in with what to buy down there. Sorry I can’t be more help than to alert others to help! :-)

  • Storm’s Mom

    Something funky must be going on with Disqus, the software that powers the DFA blog :-(

  • rayzor1234

    Why would you do that besides transitioning to the food? I wouldnt do that at all, you just increase the odds of killing your dog. The logic-> cut out all sources of possible poisoning but one, the food. I dont give separate treats, my dog gets a few pieces of her regular food as treats. Dog food has so many recalls, just like the treats do, that I wouldnt add one more food to “the mix” because now you have to worry about 2 or 3 sources killing your dog instead of one.

  • rayzor1234

    Be careful!!!!!!!! This food is lower in kcal’s than most other foods so feeding your dog the same amount “as before” will cause him/her to lose weight. I unfortunately made that mistake.

  • KarenC

    Fixed it! Had to go to IE and log out and back in. Weird.

  • Shelley

    I’m KarenC. I have 2 notifications that someone replied to me on this thread, but I’ve never commented on it. And my reply box says “Post as Shelley”. Definitely NOT Shelley….

  • Missrobin

    I do not, is there anything I should look for in purchasing or do you have a good brand to suggest?

  • Storm’s Mom

    Do you add probiotics and digestive enzymes to his food? If not, I would strongly suggest doing that, in addition to the canned (he may even be curious what the powder is and be enticed to eat). With this going on for that length of time, I’d start to get concerned about him having an unhealthy gut, which probiotics and digestive enzymes will start to build back up again.

  • Missrobin

    That makes sense- i just don’t thik he likes Merrick. I can put it in his bowl and he won’t touch it for a day and a half. We kept him on the Merrick for a good month, thinking he just needed to adjust to it to eat better, but he never seemed to adjust to it. : (.

  • Storm’s Mom

    Ok, that’s what I thought.. sometimes what happens with dogs is that they vomit clear liquid when their stomachs are empty. You should feed him twice a day, smaller portions of course. With the Merrick, you may have to feed him more, too, as he may be metabolizing it better/faster, which, again, would cause the empty stomach on less food.

    What’s happening has nothing to do with the brand of food, but rather the calories and ingredients in the food, how fast he metabolizes them, and the length of time he goes without eating. He’s vomiting because his stomach is empty, basically.

  • Storm’s Mom

    Ok, this is just bizarre.. on the browser (Opera) I almost always use to comment on DFA, I’m suddenly “Shelley” when my posts show up (like the one above, it’s mine)….I know a Shelley, but she’s never touched this laptop. I can’t seem to log out of DFA on that browser, though. So, now I’m on Internet Explorer, and I could log in and be who I normally am. I notice, though, that there several comments from a “Shelley” today, when I don’t recall seeing a “Shelley” before on here ….I wonder if there’s something weird going on with Disqus???

  • Missrobin

    We just feed him once a day (3/4 – 1 C.) doesn’t eat his food all at once he grazes throughout the day. Food is not a huge thing for him. Haven’t really noticed the timing. We just know that when he is eating straight Merrick, he was throwing up maybe once a day or so, but he never threw up before, and it seems only when eating Mertick

  • Shelley

    How often do you feed him? wen was he vomiting up the clear liquid, relative to when you feed him?

  • Missrobin

    Any thoughts or suggestions: I have a 1 1/2 year old Yorkie/ shitzue mix about 15 lbs. we have always fed him good dog food – he REALLY likes Call of the Wild high prairie flavor. His health/weight/ energy have always been really good, the only problems he has ever had us VERY runny eyes, to a point we took him to the vet afraid he might have an eye infection, but they really couldn’t find the problem. When there started to be recall problems with TOTW I started looking for a different brand – we went with Merrick – though we mixed the foods together at first when we switched fully to Merrick we noticed he wasn’t eating much (we only had to fill his bowl every other day) and he began throwing up more easily, not really throwing up the foods , sometimes it was just bile or clear liquid, but he NEVER threw up before. After him not eating well for a few weeks I switched him back to TOTW and he came back to normal eating, not throwing up, BUT after about a week of eating only TOTW, his eyes starting again weeping BADLY. We thought his eyes had jus cleared up for a minor infection or something, until it started again with the change of the food we NEVER thought a food allergy could have been the problem.

    So now I am sitting on about $100 worth of food that either cause him to not eat and throw up or that he likes but is constantly squinting and wheeping! Any thoughts? I do want to stay with grain free…

  • KatharinaC

    Just ordered a big bag of Acana Adult Dog dry food since it is the only one that I can find from the line that is readily available. I’m going to keep mixing in the coconut oil as well as the plain probiotic yogurts and then add the free range eggs once a week. Hopefully it will help her coat get back to normal. If all goes well then I can start switching back and forth between TOTW, Acana and orijen ( we are supposed to get it here in december). Thank you for all the info and tips! I had no idea that by never switching her food I was doing her a disservice, not a favor. Will keep you posted on how she does with the new food:) am feeling very hopeful

  • Carlos

    how do you guys fill about mixing different
    types of dog food with taste of the wild..

  • Hound Dog Mom

    All of the Acana formulas are great – the only two formulas that are a little low in protein for my tastes are the lamb and apple and duck and pear. Switching food isn’t bad for the system, in fact it’s good for the system. Foods should be switched frequently, it’s very unhealthy to keep a dog on the same food for an extended period of time. Frequent food rotation helps to keep a diverse population of healthy bacteria in the gut. Feeding the same food continuously will weaken the gut – this is why you often hear of dogs that have been fed the same food for a long period of time experiencing digestive upset when a new food is introduced. When I used to feed kibble I switched to a new food after each bag (every 2 – 3 weeks) and a rotated canned and/or fresh food toppers daily. I now feed my dogs a homemade raw diet and they eat something completely different at each meal.

  • KatharinaC

    Hi, the regular Acana Dry food for adult dogs seems to be the only one that is readily available here. Will that be ok? I have heard that the regionals are better but since my little girl is only sensitive to Corn and wheat (which seems to be in neither) I think it should be ok. I have been putting extra virgin coconut oil in her TOTW food since day 1 and I put 1/4 cup plain, probiotic yoghurt (organic) on it a few days a week as well. Will it be bad for her system to switch her food once again? She reacted terrible to the food that we first got when we moved here ie: rock solid stools, gas, diarrhea. Then she seemed to get better on the TOTW but her coat still isn’t what it used to be.

  • Pattyvaughn

    Yes, it could!

  • mward1993

    Couldn’t allergies explain the lymph swelling?

  • Pattyvaughn

    My other dogs who have had intolerance issues have never had a stool problem, only Micah, and he started as a very young pup before I got him. My JRT has never even had a soft stool. By the way some dogs with yeast problems don’t show signs of intolerance, they just get a yeast over growth, probably due to something knocking back their intestinal flora. You still need to cut carbs to get rid of it effectively though.

  • ollie

    i have a german shepherd/ lab/newfie mix and he has the newfie fur. when I switched him to merricks his coat is so much better now.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    If you can afford it, I’d go with the Acana – it’s a much better quality food. Try adding some omega 3’s – fish oil (make sure it’s human fish oil and don’t go with the cheap kind, fish oil is one product you don’t want to cut corners on), tinned sardines or cage free eggs. I’d also recommend adding some coconut oil, the medium chain triglycerides in the coconut oil should also help.

  • Kikki

    TOTW Wetlands is actually one of a few foods my 3 dogs are eating atm but their coats are super shiny and silky since I started giving them fish oil a few months ago. Might be something you want try. I use Kirkland’s brand (for humans). It’s a lot cheaper than buying those pump bottles for dogs.

  • KatharinaC

    I started feeding my german shepherd mix totw wetlands formula after we moved to sweden 4 months ago because I am unable to get a hold of Blue Buffalo. She seems to like it just fine, always finishes her bowl and her poops are normal. I have however noticed HUGE changes in her coat. It was always shiny, long and soft. Now it has gotten wiry, matted, looks like it is breaking off in places. It looks scruffy to put it simply. Am thinking about switching her to Acana Adult Dog food instead. Any suggestions? Thoughts?

  • mward1993

    I noticed a distinct smell that starts on Ollie’s neck and runs to his mid back. Its probably yeast. I will see what the vet says. I don’t think this will be anything difficult to treat. Could he have food allergies if his stools are still normal and he isn’t scratching a great deal?

  • Amy Ackard

    I rescued a Gordon setter in November, with pretty much the same history as your pit. In addition to TOTW dog food, I put her on Biotin for skin, nails, and hair. Her coat came back thick, shiny and full. We even had to cut 4″ off for the summer. She doesn’t even look like the same dog. She takes 6 tablets a day, because she’s now 90lbs. She was 67lbs and skin and bones when I got her. I also put her on Omega 3’s for heart health. I ordered them from Fostersandsmith.com Thanks for all your info.

  • Pattyvaughn

    I think we were discussing another Diamond made food the other day that did get a half star drop in rating and I lumped them all together in my mind, so I didn’t even question it even though I looked at TOTW ratings not long before that for something else. Goofy!

  • mward1993

    LOL :) For a minute I wondered if my computer had something wrong with it. I don’t think the 5 star formulas have a lot of plant proteins in them. Just peas and potato protein neither of which are high on the list. My dog’s stools are now tiny.

  • Pattyvaughn

    You are definitely right!! That’s what I get for not going back and double checking what people say in their posts.

  • Pattyvaughn

    LOL!! That’s what I get for not going back and double checking everything someone else says.

  • mward1993

    But the two higher protein Wetlands and High Prairie formulas are still labeled as 5 stars. Vivian was saying they were 4.5 stars.

  • mward1993

    Prairie and Wetlands are still 5 stars… and the others are 4 or 4.5 stars. So the brand as a whole averages at about 4.5, not those certain formulas. Taste of the wild is still better than Pure Balance. Not that Pure Balance is bad, but given the choice I would stick with Taste of the Wild unless your dogs are having issues with it.

  • Pattyvaughn

    I believe their rating was dropped because Dr Mike is changing how he rates foods that appear to have a lot of protein boosting vegetable matter in them.

  • mward1993

    Were you having a problem with Taste of the Wild? Why are you looking for another food?

  • Vivian Maggard Baker

    From what I see the Prairie and Wetlands Taste of the Wild have been dropped from 5 stars to 4.5 stars…Anyone know why that was???

  • Storm’s Mom

    I did a search for TOTW on Amazon Prime, and it didn’t come up as an option to buy on there. Things like Fromm Chicken A La Veg did.. for $135 for 30lbs. That’s outrageous, even by Canadian price standards. Interestingly, I could order Zignature (a brand I’ve been curious about) via Amazon Prime…Zignature isn’t available in stores here yet, so it’s great it’s available on Amazon Prime (though I’m not entirely convinced it would be allowed over the border..) ..but for $136?! Yikes!!!

  • Sophies mom

    Tractor Supply is $46 per 30#. My dog has been on it since we got her almost 2 years ago. We got our neighbors dog on it for close to a year. Both dogs love it. Ours is a Goldendoodle and the other dog is a Doberman.

  • LabsRawesome
  • nosharks

    Tractor Supply in Covington, GA has TOW 30 pound bag normally $48 ($43 on sale once a month). Diamond and Blue same price.

  • mward1993

    And my other super picky pit bull decided she likes TOTW over Natural Balance SP and Venison, so I am proud of her :) She has been eating it for a month.

  • mward1993

    I guess I will see what they say. But we took Ollie to the vet the first time the day after we found him. On his records is specifically says “Lymph Nodes – No swelling or tenderness” or something to that effect. So either they didn’t notice it or they started swelling after that visit.

  • Pattyvaughn

    Only about 1 in 10 cases of ringworm shows up under a blacklight. Even skin scrapings aren’t usually definitive. The real test is if it goes away when treated like ringworm. I’ve never heard of ringworm leading to swollen lymph nodes, but that could still be left over from all the bites. The long term histamine reaction can do that.

  • mward1993

    I have a foster pit bull who I rescued the night of July 2nd on a walk. He was severely underweight and had fly bites all over his body. His ears had been eaten raw. When we took him to the vet he was HW negative and negative for tick borne illness. They estimated that he was 3-4 years old although i wonder if he is younger. The vet recommended topical fly bite treatment, a dewormer, and high calorie puppy food to start off with. Within two weeks he was a different dog, full of energy and acting like a puppy. We named him Ollie. Ollie is fully recovered now and on taste of the wild high prairie. When we picked him up from his neuter and shots on the 25th, the vet ( a different vet, we went for a low cost service) mentioned that the lymph nodes on Ollie’s back legs were swollen, and that she had tested him with a black light for ringworm because she thought he had it. She did not see any. We have given it time to see if it would go away, and it hasn’t. Ollie acts 100% healthy and energetic and he doesn’t scratch, but his skin is still flaky and his hair is brittle. His lymph nodes have not changed, they are still swollen. At first I thought the scabs on Ollie’s back were still fly bites and not ringworm. But since they have healed his skin and especially the skin around them has been scaly. His fur comes out really easily too. On his hock areas there are these rashes that look like ringworm. They have a ring around them, on the skin. He only has a couple of them. Ollie is going to the vet next wed. to get his parvovirus booster and they are going to look at him then. But I was wondering if you have ever heard of or seen a dog have swollen lymph nodes and flaky read on the skin but not seem to bothered by any of it.

  • joe from hell

    been feeding TOW for 3 yrs now…never going back…

  • Blue Bird Vision

    There’s Amazon Prime for Canada. If she wants a good deal on this particular food and wants to buy it from a reputable source, that would definitely be cost effective. Especially if she sets up automatic shipping.

  • Storm’s Mom

    Those places don’t ship to Canada (economically, if at all), which is where SunnyBunny is.

  • Blue Bird Vision

    You have Petflow.com , dog.com, wag.com, petfooddirect.com, Amazon has amazing deals sometimes too. I get it from there since we have Prime.

  • Pattyvaughn

    All the more reason it isn’t viable for Dr. Mike to consider price.

  • Storm’s Mom

    I totally agree ..just wanted to mention that Sunnybunny is in Canada, so online shopping for dog food is not an economically viable option :-(

  • Crazy4cats

    Hi Sandy-
    In my area we have Mud Bay pet food stores. They have a whole wall full of dry food sample bags. They carry Taste of the Wild and they are very generous with their samples. Good luck.

  • InkedMarie

    Prices vary by store. I can buy one food five minutes from me for a certain price; drive 35min and it’s $6 more.

    We’re fortunate that Dr Mike has time to do ratings and keep us up to date on recalls & articles; to think he can do prices is a little over the top. Thats why shopping online is so nice, I pay less online than in real life and can sit home and have it shipped to my house for free!

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Hi Sandy –

    I’d recommend either contacting TOTW directly and asking if they’ll mail you a sample or going to your local TOTW dealer. K9Cuisine.com has free TOTW samples (as well as free samples of many other brands) but I believe you have to pay shipping unless you place an order over $50.

  • Sandy

    I heard I could get a free sample of TOTW puppy food. Is that so? And how do I come about that? Thank you.

  • Storm’s Mom

    Oh wait, I stand corrected – there IS an online ordering place that has free shipping in Alberta and Sask for items under 15lbs, and only $5 for items 15-30lbs! Free shipping in Canada generally for orders over $100! Fiiiiiiiiiiinally!!!!!!

    http://www.homesalive.ca/dog-food-supplies.html

  • Storm’s Mom

    Hi SunnyBunny, I’m in Canada too (BC) – you can’t order online in Canada…at least not without incurring a ridiculous amount of shipping charges (about equal to the cost of the food, so you pay double for 1 bag of food).

    However, there’s no way TOTW should cost you $85 in Calgary …are you sure you’re not thinking of Orijen? TOTW here on Vancouver Island is about $65 for a 30lb bag…it definitely shouldn’t be $20 more expensive in Calgary!

  • Betsy Greer

    Prices vary so widely between retailers in varying geographic regions, it would almost be impossible to do that.

    Besides, Dr. Mike has to let you do at least a little of your own homework.

  • SunnyBunny

    Can you reccommend a website i could order it from?
    I live in Alberta, Canada, and the lowest price I’ve seen for a 30lbs bag is $85, which was in Calgary. Way to far to go for food. It either much more expensive here, or I am just getting way over charged by my local stores.

  • Kikki

    A 30 lbs bag of TOTW run below $50 and is one of the most affordable grainfree kibbles out there. where does $90 come from?

  • Sunnybunny

    In your ratings you should really make a price rating aswell, because as great as this food is, I simply cannot afford $90 a bag!

  • Susan

    the feed store carries NutriSource GF. They had a promotion last year I think and gave out samples. I have also posted this on the NutriSource forum. I read the ingredients last year and noted there was A lot of pea protein in the 1st 5 ingredients so I didn’t buy it. Still have half a bag of the sample so I let the boys try some. They like it, but then they like anything new and given as a treat form.
    I like that NutriSource has no potato and no natural flavor except they do say natural chicken and turkey flavor on the bag.
    Its nice that the feedstore carries it and am hoping this could be the replacement for TOTW. I’ve got about half a bag of TOTW left and now would be the perfect time to switch them over.
    Sorry Hound Dog Mom, I know raw is favorable over everything, but I don’t think I would keep up with it. I need something that is quick and easy and that agrees with the dogs because we have lots of other animals on this farm that need attention too.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    So you have a huge issue with grains but not white potato? Hm. White potato wouldn’t be any more likely to be a component of a dog’s natural diet than grains and, as Shawna pointed out, they feature many of the same harmful qualities as grains. So many people are fooled into thinking it’s the grains that are the problem and falling prey to the industry’s buzzword of the moment “grain-free.” It’s not about whether or not a food has grains or doesn’t have grains, it’s about maximizing animal derived protein and feeding the least processed food possible. I’d much rather feed my dogs a food with a lot of meat and a small amount of grains than a food touted as “grain-free” that’s lower in meat and high in potatoes (or legumes or tapioca). I feed a raw diet and thus have the ability to feed my dogs as nature intended – a diet high in meat and free of grains and starches (potatoes, tapioca, legumes). However, if I was feeding kibble I wouldn’t be judging foods based on whether or not they contain grains. I would be looking at the overall protein level and contacting the company to find out what percent of that protein level is animal-derived and what percentage is plant-derived.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    I think Instinct’s dry food is one of the best kibbles available. I used to use it quite frequently when I fed kibble, my dog did well on it. It’s pretty high in protein as far as kibble goes, grain-free, white potato free and coated in freeze-dried raw.

  • Susan

    I remember seeing Instinct and a client of mine who shows dogs buys that food too as well as raw. Is Instinct a good food?

  • Susan

    Yes I have done that before, thanks for reminding me

  • Susan

    I’m thinking that she is just touching on food and wants to appeal to the lay person, because all that techinical stuff would puzzle most people. She actually started out the paragraph with a discussion on how bad Beneful is and how clueless people are with regard to what they are feeding their dogs. She is on Facebook also

    My dogs are healthy and do not have arthritis, allergies or seizures. So I’m still not sure why I should be concerned about the potatoes in this food, unless it promotes or causes arthritis.

    I do know that when we adopted our dogs they were very very thin probably due to the food they had been eating every single day of their lives and it being really bad food to boot. Our vet asked what I was switching them to and when I told her TOTW she said that would be good to put some weight on them.

    Now before I get criticized for this, I know that vets are not schooled in nutrition but she also has dogs and feeds them TOTW too.

    And BTW Dr. Royal very heavily promotes a raw diet in her book and includes raw recipes. I’m just not interested in feeding raw because I know I would not be able to keep it up and the same for home cooked, which I tried to do for 5 large dogs in the past and supplementing with canned, but it really got time consuming. This was during the time when Natural Balance was having recall problems.

    I am, however, interested in switching dry food as its time, not because I feel the food needs improvement. So I am checking out the ones that everyone has suggested when I have more time to do so.

    Thanks Shawna for taking the time to explain things to me, I really appreciate it.

  • Shawna

    “THE MSG PRODUCED IN FOOD PROCESSING AND CHEMICAL PLANTS IS ALWAYS SYNTHETIC

    It is true that in its unadulterated, unprocessed, unfermented free form, L-glutamic acid can be a building block of protein, a neurotransmitter, a neurotoxic amino acid, and an endocrine disrupter. When produced for use in food, drugs, cosmetics, and agricultural applications, however, L-glutamic acid is not produced in isolation. It is always a synthetic product that contains undesired contaminants along with the desired L-glutamic acid. When produced by way of acid hydrolysis or the Maillard reaction, this processed product contains carcinogens.” http://aromatherapy4u.wordpress.com/2006/10/09/hidden-sources-of-msg-in-regular-organic-foods/

  • Shawna

    Sometimes you have to consider data supplied by additional sources. As mentioned, I’m really interested in Dr. Royal’s book but if that is the extent of what she says about potatoes she is missing a very large aspect of why they are problematic. I’ve brought it up many times in this conversation —- lectins.

    In the book “Conquering Arthritis” the author writes “Many people with arthritis feel that avoiding nightshade vegetables such as tomatoes, eggplant and white potatoes seems to help their arthritis. This is not surprising, since most nightshades are very high in lectins” http://books.google.com/books?id=eju3f4-eiw0C&pg=PT51&lpg=PT51&dq=nightshade+lectins+arthritis&source=bl&ots=QRINW28GgQ&sig=veNWCcq3nNBN9LfC73ZD6vMwxQI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=zFEEUqfiBIOsyAHMiYGABg&ved=0CGAQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=nightshade%20lectins%20arthritis&f=false

    I’ve already quoted from this site —The Institute for Natural Healing website says “Lectins are involved in food allergies/sensitivities, inflammation and autoimmune disease, just to name a few. For instance, lectins are linked to celiac disease. Even weight gain and low energy can be linked to lectins.

    Whole grains, peanuts, kidney beans, and soybeans are high in lectins. Cow’s milk, nightshade vegetables (like potatoes and tomatoes) and some seafood also contain fairly high amounts of lectin.

    If you have any lectin-related health issues like arthritis, allergies or autoimmune disease, our experience shows it is very helpful to reduce your intake of lectins” http://institutefornaturalhealing.com/2009/07/lectins-a-little-known-trouble-maker/

    “Carolyn Pierini is a licensed Clinical Laboratory Scientist, certified with the American Society of Clinical Pathologists and a specialist in medical microbiology. Her 19 years at St. Joseph Hospital in Orange, Ca. include the Departments of Hematology, Clinical Chemistry, Immunology but predominately the Microbiology Department including R&D and educator. Observing different dietary effects on microbial morphology with what is now termed nutrigenomic science, her passion transferred to human nutrigenomics.”

    Carolyn Pierini writes in an article titled “Lectins Their Damaging Role in Intestinal Health, Rheumatoid Arthritis and Weight Loss”
    ” Lectins play a wide role in health, but their ability to influence the inflammatory process indicates they are involved in inflammatory bowel disease, rheumatoid arthritis and even weight gain. Lectins’ potential involvement in many aspects of our health caused DJ Freed, MD to state, “Lectins are causes in search of diseases.”

    In fact, lectins are capable of intensifying the effects of autoimmune disorders in general. Nightshade vegetables like potatoes and tomatoes are very high in lectins and are known to trigger the symptoms of arthritis.” http://intelegen.com/nutrients/lectins_their_damaging_role.htm
    Not sure why Dr. Royal does not consider the lectins in potatoes to be a problem when discussing arthritis????

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Probably because they have about a hundred co packers lol

  • Pattyvaughn

    Like TOTW, Blue is made in more than one place, but Blue is harder to get the info from on where they are made than TOTW is.

  • Storm’s Mom

    You can always ask if they can order something in for you via their distributor (who normally can bring in other brands that aren’t on the shelves in a particular store)… maybe have a list of a few that you can ask them about.

  • Storm’s Mom

    Blue and TOTW both have had multiple recalls. I wouldn’t trust either of them at all in this department.

  • Storm’s Mom

    “Fresh meat” would lose about 80% of its weight once processed – which it has to be to be put into kibble – therefore, you’re really only getting a very small amount of anything resembling “fresh meat” in what you’re actually feeding a dog. If it’s listed first in the ingredients, it would fall far down the list if the ingredients were listed on an “as fed” or “after processing” basis. Obviously, it’s better to see SOME fresh meat in a formula than none – all other things being equal – but I place far greater value on the overall protein level and other nutrient analysis numbers than on whether there is a “fresh meat” listed in the ingredients.

  • Pattyvaughn

    The negative about meals is that they are processed twice, once to make the meal and a second time to make the kibble. So more nutrients are destroyed. The positive is that the water is already removed so you get a lot more protein it the food from a meal ingredient.

  • Susan

    Oh and Blue is about $10 more expensive than TOTW in these parts for the same size bag. I think I recall some recalls too

  • Susan

    Ok thanks. Feed store is very limited and probably would not carry the better brands. I will have to check with the groomers. Walmart is quite a ways away from us and I hate Walmart anyway so I won’t go there at all. There is a holistic pet store by Walmart though which I didn’t know about, I may check that one too. What is it about the “meals”, I don’t like to see those either even though everything I have read says its just highly concentrated form of the meat. I would rather see fresh meat being used not meals.

  • LabsRawesome

    I definitely would not use Blue. See if you can get Victor, Dr. Tim’s, Nutrisource, 4health grain free, Earthborn, For canned I recommend Pure balance, 4health, Kirkland cuts in gravy.

  • Storm’s Mom

    Bags can have old labels for 6 months I think it is (a year?) after a formula has been changed.

    What else does your local feed store carry? Not sure Blue Buffalo is any better than TOTW, frankly (perhaps worse, according to some …I’ve never used it because of their insistence on using chicken meal in every decent formula)

  • Susan

    Ok it says on my current bag that it is in position #8. I am looking into the Blue Buffalo because our local feed store carries it as well as the canned, but the canned has carrageenan in it and we all know how I feel about that :)

  • Storm’s Mom

    A general rule of thumb is that if the ingredient is listed before the 1st fat or oil, it’s considered a significant/important ingredient. In this case, the potatoes in the Wetlands formula is listed before the chicken fat (according to the TOTW website, NOT the review on this page..Dr Mike has indicated that this review is in the queue to be updated to reflect the new formula).

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Earthborn’s grain-free formulas are rated 5 stars and appropriate for all life stages so they’d be fine for a puppy. I’d personally go with those over the vantage. Ingredient-wise, Earthborn and TOTW are very similar however Earthborn is made by a much more reputable manufacturer.

  • Susan

    After reading Dr. Royal’s take on white potatoes, I have come to decide that the potato ingredient really is not that bad and the reason is that it is far down the list. This is what she says with regard to potatoes. “Beware of whole potatoes as a percentage of the first few ingredients. Another issue is that white potatoes are in the nightshade family. They are considered an inflammatory root vegetable because of solanine (a glycoalkaloid poison that is one of the plant’s natural defenses) concentrations. Green under the potato skin and the “eye” or sprouted areas concentrate solanine, which when eaten can cause painful inflammation in joints in the body. Animals with allergies, seizures or arthritis should not eat nightshade for this reason. The storage and condition of the potatoes determine how much solanine is in the food. To have more control over potatoes with solanine content, avoid feeding potatoes from unknown sources. (Note: if you cook potatoes yourself, use fresh non sprouted potatoes.) The word potato on the label usually means white potato, not sweet potato. Sweet potato is not a nightshade. If white potatoes are farther down the list of ingredients, you may safely consider using that food.”
    So that clears this up a lot for me and makes me feel more comfortable about white potatoes in this food. However, I can find nothing about the Maillard reaction in her book. May have to message her on Facebook and see what her opinion of that is.

  • Pattyvaughn

    Mostly because it is higher in meat(we hope) protein than the others, except High Prairie, which also got 5 stars. The ones that got 4 stars are lower in protein.

  • Susan

    I am glad to see that you are using the Wetland Formula as an example in this review because that is what I feed my dogs. I also see that you have given it a 5 star rating. Can someone explain the difference in the ratings and why Wetlands has a 5 star review and compared to the others? Thank you

  • Susan

    Well I thought that when I typed “this is what they said” was sufficient. I have a couple of message board forums that I created myself that I moderate, and the semantics in this site is unbelievable. However, I will try to be more careful with how I word things, even though I’m not sure that will help. Seems to draw people’s attention away from the real issue which is getting to the bottom of what may or may not be harmful ingredients in our pet foods.

  • Storm’s Mom

    Then don’t let us read into things.. post your own thoughts about what you post from others!! Even if it’s “I’m not sure what to think about this, thoughts?”, you know? Then we know where you stand (or that you’re not taking a stand just yet, as the case may be) …otherwise, you’re letting someone else do your talking, and it may not be what you intend to convey.

  • Shawna

    Got it! :) I too, by your post, thought you were satisfied with their answer.. Glad we were wrong about that!! :)

  • InkedMarie

    If you are posting something that is a copy and paste, use quotations and say, “this is from _____”

  • Susan

    I am sorry you both read something more than what I intended to show. Shawna I did read your post yesterday and I wanted to see what TOTW had to say. First, I don’t like the fact that they use potatoes as per Dr. Royal’s recommendations in her most recent book, so I am not clueless about that particular ingredient. But when I see natural flavorings, I want to know what that is. It could be anything and I think people need to know what it is. When they responded with the Maillard reaction that is the first I had ever heard of such a thing. So I am really glad I asked and that I was able to find out exactly what that is by googling it.

    As it stand now, I am not really happy with any of the ingredients in any of the dry foods by any manufacturer. I think I may stop buying it altogether and do homecooked and the canned only.

    So my original post is just what it says. No relief in what their response was, just posted as an FYI only. However, after reading what Pattyvaughn wrote, I did answer them and I am anxiously awaiting their response. Not sure if it is a he or a she and may be just someone hired by TOTW to manage their FB page. Because of what I posted about the Maillard reaction carcinogen and green potatoes, it would not look good on their part not to respond since they have 10s of thousands of followers.

    Oh and BTW I was a little irritated with them and their condescending response with regard to potatoes when they were explaining raw potatoes to me, like I somehow thought that they don’t cook the potatoes they put in their foods. (smh)

    So I am one idiot that doesn’t believe everything they are telling me and I am very disappointed.

    Thanks for reading.

  • Susan

    But see you are reading things into what I posted and that’s not fair. I was merely showing what their response was so everyone could be informed as to what they said. And I posted it in both the TOTW canned and dry forums so people who were only looking at canned and not dry would also see what they said. If that is not an ok thing to do, please tell me, because I am going out of my way to talk to TOTW and I am unfamiliar with these forums and the way they are setup.

  • Susan

    I agree. I looked up Maillard reaction and I do understand what that is and how it can be considered natural flavor, and I do believe they are purposely omitting the truth because its on Facebook with ten of thousands of fans that will read the truth.

    I did respond to their response to me and asked about the harmful substances that they have in their dry food and am still waiting for an answer. As soon as I get one I will copy and paste it here. I think will be interesting for everyone to see what they say.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com/ Mike Sagman

    Hi Storm’s Mom,

    Thanks for the information. It appears Sandy has already added TOTW to our To Do list for an update. However, due the number of reviews in our queue, it could be a while before we get to it. Thanks again for the tip.

  • Shawna

    I told Susan yesterday that they’d respond like that and gave her more info so she could ask the right question to get the right answer. She either ignored me or didn’t see the post..

    “They will say that they do not add MSG I will guarantee that.. And they can legally do so because MSG is a proprietary ingredient. ANY food that has been broken down, freeing the amino acids, is a source of the G in MSG but it is not MSG.. The G (glutamate aka glutamic acid) is the problem ingredient in MSG. If interested, I JUST left a lengthy reply on the Darwin’s page to someone told the product being used was not MSG or like MSG.. Product is not MSG but definitely is like MSG…”

  • Shawna

    That doesn’t surprise me :)

    Technically speaking, TotW and most other foods now a days don’t have MSG (monosodium glutamate). But many ingredients include “free glutamic acid” — the problem ingredient in MSG. The miallard reaction is no exception.

    “Free glutamine as a major precursor of brown products and fluorophores in Maillard reaction systems” http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00726-006-0388-9

    TotW is not in any way lying about not using MSG but they are lying by omission, in my opinion — at least if the person that responded is knowledgeable about MSG and free glutamic / aspartic acids. If they are not they need to read the post quoting Dr. Blaylock I left on the Darwins page…

    I’d be interested if the person responding knows about the direct relation between nightshade plants and arthritis? My guess they don’t have a clue…

  • Storm’s Mom

    Susan, I took your original post the same way as Pattyvaughn: that you were cutting, pasting and posting something you agreed with, because you did not comment on it at all. Additionally, you also put the same thing on the TOTW canned page, which made it look like you were/are saying “Ah ha! Those “regular posters” who questioned me yesterday were wrong!! I was right!! See?!?”:

    http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-reviews/taste-of-the-wild-dog-food-canned/

  • Pattyvaughn

    Sorry Susan, I didn’t word that well. No, I’m not assuming that you responded to them. And I’m sure you know better than to believe everything that a company that is trying to selling you something tells you. And as far as the natural flavor, he didn’t actually lie. He just doesn’t give a complete picture. You asked a question and he told you what he wanted you to know. And I’m sure he’s crossing all his fingers and toes hoping that will be an end to it.
    The usual proceedure for processing natural flavor frees up glutamic acid or glutamate, the G in MSG. They don’t add it, so by law they don’t have to admit to it. That doesn’t mean it isn’t there.
    BTW, when you post a response from a company as is without your own thoughts, it does look like you agree with that statement, so if you don’t, I’m sorry that I assumed you did. You come across as very trusting of the wrong people and frankly a little combative, which unfortunately probably puts my dander up. Again, I’m sorry if I’ve misinterpreted your post. It seems it is very easy for us to do with you.

  • Storm’s Mom

    Hi Dr Mike, just an FYI that it looks like TOTW has changed the Wetlands formula since you did this review, as the Wetlands formula on TOTW’s website is different than the review above: http://www.tasteofthewildpetfood.com/products/dogs/dry_food/wetlands_canine_formula/

  • Susan

    Pattyvaughn are you assuming that I responded to them in some way that would indicate that I believe what they said? I have not responded to them. I was just posting what their response was. Honestly, I don’t know what all the hostility is with you and others, but it would really be nice if it would stop. We all have dogs and we would all like to feed them with the best food we can afford. Educational responses would really be beneficial instead of telling me they took me for an idiot.
    I still have issues with the potato so I do plan to respond. Thanks for the little bit of info you did provide.
    Someone asked me to ask them about their natural flavoring yesterday and I did and I promised to report back with what they said. I have not yet responded to what they posted.

  • Pattyvaughn

    Well, he took you for an idiot and it worked. He is talking about the solanine in green potatoes, which does not disappear when they are cooked by the way. He is not addressing to controversy of potatoes as an ingredient. Seriously, do you think they are going to bad mouth their own food? They will have a good spin to put on every ingredient. By the way, Maillard reaction is known to be carcinogenic too.

  • Susan

    I checked with TOTW on Facebook because I read yesterday that the natural flavor is MSG. I also questioned them about the potato ingredient. Here is what they said.

    Thank you for the questions Susan. The natural flavors in the canned food are not MSG. TOTW uses a process called the Maillard Reaction. The type of amino acids used in this process determines the resulting flavor. If you have further questions about this, please contact our customer service team at 800-977-8797. Raw potatoes can be problematic for dogs, just as they are to humans. Fully cooked potatoes are a nutritionally packed ingredient, which is why we choose to use fully-cooked potatoes in our formulas

  • Tae

    what about TOTW? Why do people say it’s bad?

  • Storm’s Mom

    TOTW as a whole brand is rated 4.5 stars because of the ingredients and the guaranteed analysis numbers. Nothing more, nothing less. In this case, 2 formulae are rated 5 star and 2 are rated 4 star, and the rest are 4.5 star, so it all equals out to 4.5 stars.

  • Susan

    I’ve never seen it here so I doubt its available. Will research it though and thanks. But that still doesn’t answer my initial question

  • Shawna

    I have eight toy breed dogs, two of which are Poms :).. I feed primarily raw but when I do feed kibble I give the Poms (all dogs) Orijen, Earthborn Primative Naturals, Nature’s Variety Instinct etc. So of the two you asked about I, obviously :), would go with Earthborn “Primitive Naturals”.

    Fromm is a good food but I like more protein than Fromm provides… The raw diet they eat is 45 to 54%..

    BUT, many of us “rotate” our dogs’ foods to give them variety — a dog with a healthy digestive tract can switch foods without any problems (unless intolerant or allergic to a specific ingredient in a food). Why not feed Earthborn AND Fromm? :)

  • Tae

    Hi, I am currently feeding my 3 months old Pomeranian Canidae all life stages and was going to change the food to TOTW but I see a lot of bad comments on here? So I’m also considering Fromm or Earthborn? Which one do you guys recommend?

  • Gretyl’s Mom

    I have been feeding TOTW for the last 8 months and have seen quite an improvement in Gretyl’s health. She was a 6 mos old abandoned German Shepaherd who has a genetic condition that causes skin allergies. I also supplement with coconut oil and digestive enzymes. I have just ordered Dynovite, at the suggestion of a friend, and that is how I found this website. I have been very happy with the quality of TOTW.

  • InkedMarie

    That’ll give me fits, trying that, but I’ll give it a shot later, when I’m on it

  • Betsy Greer

    Hold your finger down on what you want to copy, a blue box will appear and you can define the beginning and end of what you’re trying to copy, then click copy. Go to where you want to paste it and again, hold your finger down until the blue box pops up and click paste.

    That gave me fits until I figured it out.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Susan you should check out Earthborn. It’s rated 5 stars and is the same price as TOTW but it’s manufactured by Midwestern Pet Foods and has never had a recall. If you can get it locally there’s also a frequent buyer program – buy 10 bags get the 11th free.

  • InkedMarie

    Thank you! I’m on my iPad & can’t figure out how to copy & paste

  • Storm’s Mom
  • InkedMarie

    Somewhere here is an article on how the food is rated. I think you’d be smart to read it. It’s ll about the ingredients and guaranteed analysis. There’s a dozen raw here rated five stars but in red words, it’s not recommended due to horrible customer service. Still rated highly, according o ingredients and GA

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com/ Mike Sagman

    Susan,

    The ratings of every one of the 800+ dog food product lines reviewed on this website are based upon the contents of the government regulated pet food label and nothing else.

    These ratings have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with recall histories, the discussions on this blog or who owns the company.

    TOTW kibble is fairly rated at 4.5 stars because of the recipe’s apparent ingredient quality and our estimate of the meat content only.

    Our rating method is unbiased and explained in detail throughout this website.

  • Pattyvaughn

    The rating is based on the ingredients and the guaranteed analysis, not what everyone knows about the plant where it was made. That’s what the blog part of this forum is for. That way the rating can be impartial, and we can be very partial, and we are.

    If someone else made this food, I would use it. But since it is Diamond, no, I won’t support them.

  • Pattyvaughn

    Almost all recalls are voluntary. FDA does not have the power to enforce a recall. They have to take a company to court to get a recall and can you imagine the bad press that would create. Diamond knew about problems with their food long before they issued the recall, but they put it off as absolutely long as possible, until the FDA was threatening to take them to court. And they have had another recall since that one, this time on cat food. They aren’t capable of doing things the right way for more than just a few months.
    BTW, salmonella can infect dogs. It gets the young, the old, and the sickly. And their owners have to pay for the privilege of poisoning their own pets.

  • Susan

    Why is this food rated 4.5 stars if everyone in this forum says not to buy it? Just curious.

  • Susan

    That was a voluntary recall for TOTW and salmonelle is harmful to humans not dogs, as per an article I read in Whole Dog Journal

  • Susan

    Yes our vet also recommended this food for putting on weight for skinny dogs. We hae been feeding TOW for a while now and switching protein every other month. I like the taste of Bison the best.

  • AngelD

    Thank You!!

  • Jacinda

    If you are a Costco member this food is labeled under Nature’s Domain. You can get 35 Pounds for $30.00. A great deal for an Awesome food. Google “the effects of grain on dogs” and you will not want to feed a cheap dog food with grain as you will have vet bills that out way the cost of the food!

  • Shawna

    I’m a Staffie lover!! :) Bully breeds do seem to have more issues, it seems, than some other breeds. :(

    Intolerances, like my Poms issue with chicken, are far more common than allergies and seem to have a genetic predisposition. Food “allergies” (a true immunoglobulin E allergy) are rare. Most people lump intolerances and allergies together as they can cause the same symptoms. But they are different.

    Intolerances are usually from birth, from my understanding, but can take time to manifest into symptoms as the body tries hard by producing IgA, mucin etc to prevent the damage that shows up as symptoms.

    Allergies can certainly develop prenatally but they can also develop at any time. My Chihuahua mix is intolerant of gluten. Didn’t know this and started feeding her barley in her home made food and after only two months she developed leaky gut from the gluten. Once the gut leaked, undigested protein from food got into the bloodstream and she developed allergies to cow bone and tripe (bones and tripe from other animals are okay though) and goat yogurt/milk. The foods she ate the most frequently and were the poorest digested, I assume, are what she developed the allergy to. These are all foods she ate for two years (except the barley) without incidence.

  • frapp_ls

    I do agree with you there. I have an American Bulldog and they just said that most AB’s can tolerate the TOTW and it helps with the allergies that breed usually has. But yes, all dogs are different… some foods may be good for some dogs, but can also make others sick. Thanks for your comment.

  • Shawna

    Hi frapp_Is,

    Allergies and intolerances are very very individualized. So much so that it would be impossible to say any food would be great for all dogs with allergies/intolerances. My Pom, as an example, couldn’t have the TotW Dr. Mike reviews above because of the chicken meal.

    Potato seems to be a trigger in many dogs as well.. In susceptible animals potato can cause some pretty ugly symptoms — IBD, colitis, leaky gut, arthritis etc. I also know two dogs that can’t eat peas.

    Glad it is working so well for your dogs!!!

  • frapp_ls

    I did the same thing… went to the pet shop and spoke to someone who suggested TOTW, which is great for dogs with allergens. My puppies love the food and are constantly wanting more, which I don’t oblige. LOL – Anyways, they’ve never had any negative reactions to it either which is awesome.

  • frapp_ls

    Thank you Vivian. I feel the same way. I think anyone has a right to their opinions and should be able to express them.

  • Kikki

    Both Earthborn and NutriSource are in same price range and has not been involved in any recalls from what I know of. They also both have more kcal/cup compared to TOTW which in turn means they last longer and are cheaper. I’ve been using TOTW for a few months and will stop after our current bag is out in favor of Earthborn (the bag is patiently waiting for it’s turn).

  • Denise Smith

    I have a 7 yr old dobie who was raised on science diet’s natures best lamb and rice small bites. When they discontinued it, and with no advanced notice, I scrambled to transition her to another similar food to lessen any stomach upset. I tried BJs lamb and rice dog food which listed similar ingredients and she would pick at it. I went to a local pet store and started cruising the aisles looking at the dozens of choices to replace that brand and found TOTW Sierra mountain roasted lamb. The clerk on the sales floor said she fed this brand to her dog and had no problems. I can say after 2 weeks my dog devours it. No diarrhea, firm small stools, energy level is great. I did notice she drinks more water which could be because of the 90 degree temps we’ve had but I will monitor this. Just an FYI I lost my last dobie as a result of the massive poisoning that prompted recalls of almost every brand of dry and canned food that advertised stellar ingredients and had great reviews. Money and profits drive this industry, don’t be fooled into thinking that they have these animals best interests at heart. You are and should continue to be their best advocate.

  • An_alternative_opinion

    This is a great post. Thanks for putting this information out there for us to, erm, “digest”.