Primal Raw Frozen Formulas (Raw)

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Rating: ★★★★★

Primal Raw Frozen Formulas dog food earns the Advisor’s highest rating of 5 stars.

The Primal Raw Frozen Formulas product line lists nine dog foods, each claimed to meet AAFCO nutrient profiles for all life stages.

The following is a list of recipes available at the time of this review.

  • Primal Canine Beef Formula
  • Primal Canine Duck Formula
  • Primal Canine Quail Formula
  • Primal Canine Lamb Formula
  • Primal Canine Rabbit Formula
  • Primal Canine Venison Formula
  • Primal Canine Chicken Formula
  • Primal Canine Pheasant Formula
  • Primal Canine Turkey and Sardine Formula

Primal Canine Frozen Raw Duck Formula was selected to represent the others in the line for this review.

Primal Canine Duck Formula

Raw Dog Food

Estimated Dry Matter Nutrient Content

Protein = 47% | Fat = 31% | Carbs = 14%

Ingredients: Duck, duck necks, duck wings, organic kale, duck hearts, organic carrots, organic yams, duck livers, organic broccoli, organic apples, blueberries, cranberries, organic pumpkin seeds, organic sunflower seeds, organic trace minerals, organic parsley, organic apple cider vinegar, salmon oil, organic coconut oil, organic quinoa sprout powder, organic kelp, alfalfa, mixed tocopherols (source of vitamin E)

Fiber (estimated dry matter content) = 6.3%

Red items when present indicate controversial ingredients

Estimated Nutrient Content
MethodProteinFatCarbs
Guaranteed Analysis15%10%NA
Dry Matter Basis47%31%14%
Calorie Weighted Basis34%56%10%

The first three ingredients in this dog food include duck. Duck is considered “the clean combination of flesh and skin… derived from the parts or whole carcasses of duck”.1

Duck is naturally rich in the ten essential amino acids required by a dog to sustain life.

The fourth ingredient is kale. Kale is a type of cabbage in which the central leaves do not form a head. This dark green vegetable is especially rich in beta-carotene, vitamins C, vitamin K and calcium.

And like broccoli, kale contains sulforaphane, a natural chemical believed to possess potent anti-cancer properties.

The fifth ingredient is duck hearts. Although it doesn’t sound very appetizing to us humans, heart tissue is pure muscle — all meat. It’s naturally rich in quality protein, minerals and complex B vitamins, too.

The sixth item mentions carrot. Carrots are rich in beta-carotene, minerals and dietary fiber.

The seventh item lists yams. In much of North America, the word yam can be used interchangeably with the term sweet potatoes.

So, assuming this item is indeed sweet potatoes, it can be considered a good source of complex carbohydrates. In addition, yams are naturally rich in fiber, beta carotene and other healthy nutrients.

The eighth ingredient is duck liver. This is an organ meat sourced from a named animal and thus considered a beneficial component.

From here, the list goes on to include a number of other items.

But to be realistic, ingredients located this far down the list (other than nutritional supplements) are not likely to affect the overall rating of this product.

With three notable exceptions

First, we find salmon oil. Salmon oil is naturally rich in the prized EPA and DHA type of omega-3 fatty acids. These two high quality fats boast the highest bio-availability to dogs and humans.

Depending on its level of freshness and purity, salmon oil should be considered a commendable addition.

Next, we note the inclusion of coconut oil. Depending upon the quality of the raw material, coconut oil is rich in medium chain fatty acids.

Coconut oil has been reported to have a beneficial effect on a dog’s skin and coat, improve digestion, and reduce allergic reactions.2

And lastly, although we find no mention of minerals on the ingredients list, we are reassured to see a detailed list of nutrients (for each recipe) on the company’s website.3

Primal Dog Food Raw Frozen Formulas
The Bottom Line

Judging by its ingredients alone, Primal Raw Frozen Formulas looks to be an above-average dog food.

But ingredient quality by itself cannot tell the whole story. We still need to estimate the product’s meat content before determining a final rating.

Since this recipe contains a number of quality organic ingredients, we feel compelled to accord this line somewhat favored status as we consider its final rating.

That’s because organic ingredients are produced under controlled government standards — standards which greatly restrict the use of any synthetic pesticides, herbicides, insecticides, hormones or antibiotics.

The dashboard displays a dry matter protein reading of 47%, a fat level of 31% and an estimated carbohydrate content of 14%.

As a group, the brand features an average protein content of 51% and a mean fat level of 28%. Together, these figures suggest a carbohydrate content of 13% for the overall product line.

And a fat-to-protein ratio of about 55%.

Above-average protein. Near-average fat. And low carbohydrates when compared to a typical raw dog food.

Free of any plant-based protein boosters, this looks like the profile of a raw frozen food containing an abundance of meat.

Those attempting to mimic a dog’s natural ancestral diet this Primal Dog Food Raw Frozen Formula makes a reasonable choice.

Bottom line?

Primal Raw Frozen Formulas is a meat-based dog food using an abundance of various species as its main sources of animal protein, thus earning the brand 5 stars.

Enthusiastically recommended.

Those desiring a lower fat content for their pet’s diet may wish to avoid the higher fat ratios associated with the beef, chicken and lamb recipes.

For even more raw diet suggestions, be sure to visit the Advisor’s Recommended Raw Dog Foods summary page.

A Final Word

This review is designed to help you make a more informed decision when buying dog food. However, our rating system is not intended to suggest feeding a particular product will result in specific health benefits for your pet.

For a better understanding of how we analyzed this product, please be sure to read our article, “The Problem with Dog Food Reviews

Remember, no dog food can possibly be appropriate for every life stage, lifestyle or health condition. So, choose wisely. And when in doubt consult a veterinarian for help.

Have an opinion about this dog food? Or maybe the review itself? Please know we welcome your comments.

Notes and Updates

04/10/2010 Original review
11/10/2010 Review updated
03/23/2012 Review updated
03/23/2012 Last Update

  1. Adapted by the Dog Food Advisor from the official definition for chicken published by the Association of American Feed Control Officials, 2008 Edition
  2. Dr. Bruce Fife, Healthy Ways Newsletter, Vol 4:3
  3. Primal Pet Foods, 3/23/2012
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  • http://www.facebook.com/lisatrublu Lisa Waddell-Beche

    To Mike and Aimee, I would be most interested to know Primal’a explanation of their claim. Looking forward to seeing you all post the findings.

  • DGmarie

    I love this dog food and so do my dogs. I’ve been feeding them this food for about a year. I have a 13yr terrier mix and a 4 yr terrier mix. Both are doing great on this food. No digestive issues, as previously experienced when fed dehydrated raw food or kibble. My younger dog had skin issues and shedding problems. After being on this food, I’ve noticed the skin issues have disappeared and her shedding has decreased dramatically. Their muscle tone is awesome, even on my 13yr old. I also add omega 3 to their food once a day. I would highly recommend this food! As a side note, when you take your dogs into the vet for a regular checkup and have blood drawn, have your dog fast until the test (just like people do before a blood test). The test will be more accurate and levels should be in the normal range. I made a mistake of not fasting them before a blood test and their BUN level was a bit elevated from their normal range – primarily because of the extra protein in their system.

  • http://twitter.com/Korteztk Kortez TK

    I’ve noticed that my dog, a border collie, is definitely showing more energy on raw food.  He’s way more alert, not that he was ever dragging, and I feel good, just knowing that my wife and I are feeding him not only the right foods, but that we’re contributing to his longer life (I hope) and his happiness.

    After all, dogs are really special (precious) gifts to people, and I’m just glad to have my border collie.

  • Anonymous

    When I’ve moved my pugs from kibble to kibble, I’ve always done this over a few days as my dogs tend to get the runs and no owner likes to deal with this.  I then moved them from kibble to dehydrated raw food for a few weeks  so they could get familiar with the texture of the food. Once they were ok on the dehydrated raw, I made a bold move and moved them directly to raw 100% with no transition and it worked well.   They gobbled it up.  I did notice a few days of detoxing with them shedding more, and having eye gunk but it cleared up within a few days. They have never had loose stool with raw food and they are down to doing their business one time a day.  They have tons of energy and now are back to playing and wrestling instead of sleeping (& snoring) all day long.

    I can now basically move them from one raw food brand to another raw brand without any transition time. I also rotate between chicken, turkey, beef and duck for them.

     On the rare occasion I run out of raw or they have to stay with relatives that don’t want to mess with raw, we’ve tried to give them a sample bag of kibble and they just stare at it, or walk away. My pugs know what they like! 

    I thought raw food was messy at first and time consuming, but after getting a system down it’s no problem at all.  I actually like seeing how fresh the raw food is when working with it, and it’s so much better for them.  

    My advice is not to get discouraged with raw feeding. Watch how your dog reacts to it and take it from there.  Everything is a learning process at first and there is a great support system within raw feeders.  Just look at all the helpful people on Dog Food Advisor.

    My dogs are almost 4 years old now and I only wish I had the knowledge I know now when I first got them. They have come a long way from kibble I was previously feeding them that was not rated so good….

  • sandy

    Morgan,

    I introduced raw foods to my pugs slowly.  I would give them a bite or 2 as a treat during the day and then increase a little bit to a whole meal.  Now they get different flavors of raw as well as kibble meals.

  • Anonymous

    Hi Morgan!

    Both Primal raw or Darwins raw are great choices. You are apt to find Primal in most better pet supply stores in your area. if you go with Darwins you order direct from them . I’ve fed both to my pugs with equally good results. I also have had one pug that was pretty much suffering from bacterial and viral infections in all 4 paws and going nuts chewing them non-stop. After many trips to an Animal Dermatology Center and having him on steroids for 4 month last year, This is finally under control. It,s been a year since I started researching the benefits of raw feeding and it’s been only through trial and error that I’ve found foods that are compatable for them. I’ve learned tons of information here on the DFA as well as through books, websites and Whole Dog Journal. Besides feeding raw, I give them supplements of salmon or krill oil, digestive enzymes, And probiotics. A good place to get started might be the Healthy Pets website that Karen Becker has on Mercola. She has great advice on ranking dogs food from best to worst and videos that you can watch . Good luck on your quest. Maybe some of the other nice bloggers on here can offer more advice .

  • Toxed2loss

    Hi Morgan,
    I read over the raw reviews of both foods that you liked and they’re pretty much the same. I would be inclined to pick one without flax if you can.

    I feed Raw Meaty Bones, or raw meat with supplements, and bone meal, and rotate in kibble. I want them to have a lot of variety, so they can get the best possible nutrition and have the ability to adapt to dietary changes. My situation is unique. I have access to a wide variety of grass fed organic and wild game.

    A lot will depend on the dog, and his toxic load. I think you’re right, he probably has environmental toxins… Any better diet will trigger a detox, and symptoms will get worse. If he’s had Meds or worming or flea and tick pesticides, all those are toxic. So, if that’s the case, first stop those, then improve his food slowly so the transition isn’t to rough. You can detox too fast and release enough toxins to kill him. Giving him krill oil, enzymes and probiotics will help to control the reaction as well as repair his damaged system. I also give dried organic parsley or alfalfa, you can also give the contents of a chlorella cap, to help. :-)

    Mine’s just one opinion, there are other raw feeders, that will one along and give their two cents, :-) . Oh, I liked the Barf recipe or the primal raw mix, that you added to something else. If you picka kibble, there are two that I like the best Great Life and Brother’s. I’ve read here that Brother’s Allergy Formula has outstanding results.

    P.S. my Pom, is shedding out due to stress. We had my two adult children (daughter & son-in-law) move back in with us last May, and my Pom still isn’t over it. She’s so pushy, she thinks she should run the hose! GFETE I noticed some fur coming back in, so I think she’s finally coming around.

  • morgan

    Thinking about switching to Darwins or Primal raw food diet for my approximately 6-year-old Pomeranian. I have only had him for 10-months now but he seems to have terrible allergies. I thought it was food, but now I am leaning toward environmental. I am so tired of researching food and allergies on top of all the vet bills. I think my final food try will be a raw diet but it seems to take too much time to learn to feed and maintain. Will someone please tell me how to start this process and switch from kibble? The main reason I want to do this is because he has itched out all of his belly and chest fur and managed to get two secondary bacterial infections. Plus, benedryl no longer seems to work to ease the itching. Also, the fur on his back is brittle and no longer growing in length plus it has thinned out A LOT. I am at the point where I think I need to go to a specialty skin vet, but I am wondering if I should attempt to try the raw food diet first to see if that helps his situation before spending $150 on the consultation fee. I had his blood drawn six months ago and his blood test all came back normal and healthy, no thyroid problem that is contributing to the fur loss. How do I start this raw feeding and can I plop it in the dish and go about my day? I don’t have time to prepare his food….

  • Jan_Mom2Cavs

    Hi!  Imo, it should be fine to feed Primal for one meal and Ziwipeak for the other.  Some people (like me, for instance lol) actually feed Primal and kibble in the same meal.  I don’t do this all the time, but I have with no problems.  Mostly, when I am feeding premade raw, I feed it for one meal and kibble mixed with canned for the second.  My dogs have done just fine this way.  Hope that helps.

  • Chick_hey

    Can you feed this food for one meal and then ZiwiPeak air dried food as another meal? (Same day). I hear mixed feelings about feeding raw and kibble in the same day but since ZiwiPeak isn’t exactly a kibble would it be okay to feed this raw food and ZiwiPeak food in the same day? Thanks…too anyone who can answer : )

  • aimee

    Thanks Mike,

    I didn’t mean to add to your workload. I may contact the company as I’m curious and I’ll report back any new information.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    The information you’re referring to throughout your last 2 comments appears to be based upon the additional information posted on the company’s website.

    I assumed that when I wrote “according to the company” that it would be understood that as a result of your question I had contacted Primal myself.

    Fortunately, I was able to speak directly with the company’s owner, Matt Koss. And I found him candid and forthcoming.

    However, after reading your concerns about the rabbit formula, I’m also somewhat intrigued by the company’s claim of 10% bone in the rabbit recipe.

    Since it’s impossible for anyone to investigate the veracity of every marketing claim made by each of hundreds of pet food manufacturers, I’ve always and intentionally limited the scope of my reports to the content of the government label only.

    Your questions about the advertised 10% bone content of these products are are certainly reasonable. So, I’m confident Mr. Koss wouldn’t mind discussing them with you personally.

  • Anonymous

    Cool Drybak…..That you read Dr. Lonsdale’s Raw Meaty Bones book. That is amongst my favourite books. His Work Wonders book is a straight to the point, and simple to understand book, whilst informative too. A short and sweet version if you like.

    May I also recommend Dr. Ian Billinghurst’s books as well. He has 3 well known books out. He’s referred to as the BARF originator, and its ideals are highly balanced and nutritional for dogs and cats too.

  • aimee

    I have to admit I didn’t look at it from that perspective.  Primal uses whole carcass rabbit in its rabbit formula and lists bone content at about 10 percent.

    Since the weight of bone in whole carcass rabbit was around 13 percent in the one study I read I assumed that when the company reported bone they were referring only to bone. 

    They also list bone content at about 10 percent of their chicken necks. Which sounds low to me.

    I didn’t see the ash content listed on their product page. I must be missing it.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Aimee,

    Actually, your reasoning is correct. But you’re making some assumptions that must be included in your calculations.

    For example, the bone being reported by Primal isn’t just a pure, refined (laboratory) bone specimen but rather a raw composite material collectively described in the industry as simply “bone”.

    According to the company, this bone ingredient used to make (for example) this chicken recipe includes chicken necks and chicken frames.

    These raw boney materials also include the likes of marrow, meat (necks) and other soft tissue adherents not completely removed following slaughter.

    So, the 90% dry matter figure for bone you’re using in your calculations would significantly understate the expected moisture content found in the raw material used to make this product.

    For proof, one should look no further than the reported ash content of the chicken recipe. According to Primal, the dry matter ash content of the chicken recipe is just 5.65%, well below the average ash figure for most kibbles (typically about 7-8%).

    Hope this helps answer your question.

  • aimee

    Mike.. Am I looking at this right?? From the companies website the chicken formula is about 10 percent bone. Bone is about 90 percent DM. So of 100 grams of diet 9 grams DM are from bone. Since moisture is listed at 71 percent, of the 29 grams dry matter in 100 grams diet 9 of them are from bone. Which makes this diet on a DM basis 31 percent bone?  That seems awfully high bone content to me.

    If I’m estimating correctly based on total body composition a chicken is about 12 percent bone on a DM basis.

  • Drybak

    Hi Gordon!

    This is such a coincidence that you suggested Darwins as I was just researching that one yesterday on this website.  I will also have to check out Bravo Balance and see if I can find it in any stores in Orange County, CA.    I appreciate your two cents…. all suggestions are always welcome. 

    I recently read the book “Raw Meaty Bones” by Tom Lonsdale, and have been checking out info from Karen Becker on the Mercola healthy pets website… if you have any other reading you can suggest, let me know.

      

  • Drybak

    Thanks Sandy for such a quick response.  My two pugs are 27 and 25 lbs right now as they are also taller pugs and very muscular. One is 4 years old and one is 3 years old.  They get limited treats of carrots or 2 calorie Zukes for training purposes and I walk them at least twice a day for 10-15 minutes at a time.  I would like to see them lose a few pounds and notice kibble seems to keep them more satisfied than raw food but know the benefits of raw food are so much better for them.  I’ve been trying to find a food  that will keep their weight down (less fat, lower carbs).  When feeding kibble I also give them 1/3 cup in the am, and 1/3 cup in the pm.  I’m very careful in reading calories and using the dog food calculator.

    Thanks for the great info…. I loved the comment on the Biggest Loser Pug Farm….  You should win an award for fostering 100 pugs – as we all know they are curious and funny little creatures.              

  • Anonymous

    Drybak – It’s great to read that you’re experimenting with raw foods for your dog(s). Stick to this form of diet as it is what Nature intended.

    Just my 2 cents….Whilst Stellas is a good commercial raw food, it does contain a higher than desired fat level and your pugs might benefit in weight control by eating Bravo Balance or Darwins commercial raw lines, as these have a higher protein and lower fat level than say Stellas.

    Also, an RMB (raw meaty bone) such as a turkey neck (little fat content) is great to add to your pugs’ diet.

    And remember, a raw meaty bone a day, keeps the vet away. ;)

  • sandy

    Drybac,

    On just kibble, I’ve had pugs go from 28 lbs to 24 lbs, 38 lbs to 28 lbs, 38 lbs to 29 lbs, 32 to 26.  Kibble sticks with them longer and might help them feel fuller longer than raw. 

    If I give too many treats or during the summer time when we don’t exercise, my small ones will gain weight on 2/3 cup a day!

    My personal pugs are 30, 27, 23.5 and 23. They (the 2 small ones) look small but are real muscular and seem heavy for what they look like.  Especially when I pick one up that’s the same size but “light”.  My little black one could pull a sled!!  He’s very muscular.

  • sandy

    Drybac,

    I have large pugs and regular pugs and I foster so I’ve had 100 pugs come and go…I used to be the “Biggest Loser Puggy Fat Farm” but now I get post heartworm pugs.

    What I’ve used on them is Blue Buffalo Wilderness, Instinct Duck & Turkey, Core Ocean, Amicus, Nutrisca, Brothers, and frozen raw in Natures Variety and Primal.  They get 2/3 cup kibble a day or 1 patty of Natures Variety or Primal. 

  • Drybak

    Hi Sandy! 
    Is this picture of your pug? I have two myself and I’m challenged with keeping their weight down. Any advice on foods that have been a success with yours?  I’ve been experimenting with feeding raw and have tried Stella’s, Steve’s Real food, and Pawnaturaw. 

  • Anonymous

    Hahaha….just noticed I already mentioned this in my post right below this one!  Sorry…

  • Anonymous

    TC, I use Primal, too, in rotation and it’s funny but the Turkey and Sardine is the only flavor my crew hasn’t liked so far lol.  

  • Anonymous

    That’s great to read, TC. Mother Nature’s variety of raw sources, can never be out done by kibble. Never in a million years!

  • TC

    Carol, I have been feeding Primal to both my Westies for over a year now.  I’m glad I made the switch to raw. I had previously fed both dogs Evo – small bites.   My female westie was beginning to develop red stains under one eye, and her coat was very brittle – both dogs were also getting reddish paws too.  We have tried most of the flavors and their favorite is the Turkey and Sardine.  Both dogs look beautiful.  Their white coat actually sparkles (really you can see that) which is not easy to come by on a wire coat.  Reddish stains are completely gone.  My male was prone to ear infections and he hasn’t been bothered by one for this entire year.  I feed both the formula and the mix variety (rotational diet with other raw).  I will never go back to kibble again.  Ever.  If there is ever a time that I can’t afford raw, I will do a home cooked diet over kibble.  I hope you give Primal a try, your dogs will thank you!

  • Jan (Mom to Cavs)

    Carol, I use Primal in my rotation and my dogs love it and they do well on it. I use the Chicken and Beef primarily for them (those are the cheaper flavors at my pet shop LOL!), but sometimes I will buy the duck. They don’t like the Turkey and Sardine flavor at all…..but I understand from the store manager that it’s actually a pretty popular flavor with most dogs.

  • Gordon

    carol – I reckon this food is one of 3 top notch raw BARF modeled dog foods. Your dog should do well on it, barring any unusual exceptions.

  • sandy

    Carol,

    I use Primal Duck, Rabbit, Quail, Turkey and Pheasant. My dogs have good, small outputs, and their coats have gotten softer and they are in good general health. They also love the turkey necks and marrow bones. I did get a leg bone from the butcher at Market Street today for $2. Much better deal!!

  • Marie

    Carol,

    There are 170 comments on this particular brand. If you start at page one, you will see that several of them are about owner’s experiences with the food. These latest posts, made in October, most certainly seem to take a turn in a different direction, as conversations are wont to do. :)

  • carol

    I’m disappointed. I want to know about this food and how it affects people’s (the public) dogs. I do not care about people wanting to get degrees and so on. I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE FOOD REVIEWED AND HOW IT HAS AFFECTED THEIR DOGS! You have done it with other products, why not this one. For those of you asking about education and degress and what to do….please find another comment section and not on a particular brand.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Toxed2loss Toxed2loss

    Sheila,
    Thank you. It’s easy to see that you do a lot of research. I can tell by your comments. :-) I just meant if there was anything toxin related… But, I’m with you on reading these pages to glean all that I can. I’m relatively new to comparing dog foods specifically. So I’m spending time trying to absorb the intricacies of percentages, etc. I look forward to your comments…

  • Sheila

    Toxed2loss,
    Thanks for the directive,
    Very moving. Sorry your in such bad shape, I have an aquaintance that has Fibromyalgia, she goes into depression off and on. It’s a wonder that I never had any problems like yours as I grew up in Manitoba and we used to get regularly sprayed at night in the summer with a gasoline mix for mosquitoes. Guess also we are lucky that all the farmers around here use enviormentally safe fertilizer( Victoria, B.C.) and we don’t have any crop dusters that I am aware of., of course we don’t grow wheat, that’s mainly on the prairies.
    Thanks for the research offer, I do alot on my own having been in mostly a pet related industry for the last 35 years. I try to keep up as best I can and believe me I question manufacturers alot since I am involved in selling Petfood. However, that being said, I am always open to anything new. That’s why I like the reviews and comments here.
    S.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Toxed2loss Toxed2loss

    Sheila, got a real chuckle out of your cat’s MacDonalds. :-)

    If you want to know how I got this way please visit my blog, aftertoxicinjury.blogspot.com. If you look down the right hand side and click on “April,” I start to tell the tale there, in “How I Got This Way, Part 1. More recent posts answer the second part of your question, subtitled “Livestock Problems.” Those parts are a work in progress, mostly due to the fact that they were so horrific to me, that I get PTSD every time I think about them, or try to transcribe my various journal entries. Even now, I’ve begun shaking and crying… Which doesn’t help my already sketchy vision and clumsy typing. *Self deprecating, chuckle, SMH.* Perhaps thats why I don’t treat a lot of things ‘seriously.’ Its a coping mechanism. I hope you can find what you are looking for. If its a research paper on a specific petfood related topic, fire away? :-)

  • Sheila

    Toxed2loss,
    I know this will be off topic of food review, but I am just curious since you often refer to ” your poisoning” situation.
    It wasn’t like an Erin Brockovitch sort of thing was it? Or was it something that animals can become sick from as well and that might be an additive/preservative in their food?
    Don’t have to answer if it’s too personal, I was just curious after all this time.
    Gordon, I hope that Big Mac was from Aussie Cows. My cats also get MacDonalds once a month, it’s called Fancy Feast, (no wheat gluten).
    S.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Toxed2loss Toxed2loss

    I could do both surgeries and euthanasia IF it was a case where the animal was suffering horrendously and there was no possible way of improvement. I like the Holistic vet idea. Unfortunately they have to go through the standard process, first. I would’t be able to keep my mouth shut in the classes. I’d get kicked out. LOL

  • Shawna

    Actually, I wouldn’t mind being a vet (practicing holistic medicine) but surgeries and euthanasia (esp) are OUT OF THE QUESTION… So that really screws up veterinary medicine for me….. Bummer :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/Toxed2loss Toxed2loss

    Gordon, I try to proof read when I first post. Many times my vision is so bad, I’ll miss hings. Then my ‘auto correct’ has been pausing then inserting strange things. The upgrade was a down grade. I did not go back and reread today, what I wrote yesterday. Isn’t that what you asked?

    Of course your a sprig, my grandma was active and spry til age 91. She decided to relent and eat the “community food,” got stomach cancer and died within a year. My father, who eats additive laden food, fought his first bout of cancer 4 years ago. He’s coming around. My father in law, pushing 80 eats like Sheila described her parents did, sans tabacco. He’s still hunting on foot, in the mountains and is employed because he likes it. He out works all the younger guys. 39, you’re just beginning, and it’s just getting good!

  • Shawna

    Awwww, THANK YOU!~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Honesly, that REALLY means a lot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Shawna

    Yes Gordon, I’m fully aware of that.. :) But there’s no sense getting that first degree if I can’t utilize it for the opportunity I’m really interested in.. I don’t want to be a vet or vet tech.. My interest is “holistic” health and nutriton.. I have no interest to go through years of allopathic training to dead end (for what I want).