Honest Kitchen Dog Food (Dehydrated)

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Rating: ★★★★★

The Honest Kitchen Dog Food receives the Advisor’s highest rating of 5 stars.

Excluding the premix (Preference), The Honest Kitchen product line includes seven dehydrated dog foods, four claimed to meet AAFCO nutrient profiles for adult maintenance and three for all life stages (Thrive, Embark and Love).

The following is a list of recipes available at the time of this review.

  • Honest Kitchen Zeal*
  • Honest Kitchen Love*
  • Honest Kitchen Embark*
  • Honest Kitchen Keen (4 stars)
  • Honest Kitchen Verve (4 stars)
  • Honest Kitchen Force* (4 stars)
  • Honest Kitchen Thrive* (4.5 stars)

* Grain-free

The Honest Kitchen Embark was selected to represent the other products in the line for this review.

Honest Kitchen Embark

Dehydrated Dog Food

Estimated Dry Matter Nutrient Content

Protein = 32% | Fat = 20% | Carbs = 41%

Ingredients: Turkey, organic flaxseed, potatoes, celery, spinach, carrots, organic coconut, apples, organic kelp, eggs, bananas, cranberries, rosemary extract, tricalcium phosphate, choline chloride, zinc amino acid chelate, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, potassium iodide, potassium chloride, iron amino acid chelate, copper amino acid chelate

Fiber (estimated dry matter content) = 10.4%

Red items when present indicate controversial ingredients

Estimated Nutrient Content
MethodProteinFatCarbs
Guaranteed Analysis29%18%NA
Dry Matter Basis32%20%41%
Calorie Weighted Basis26%40%34%

The first ingredient in this dog food is turkey. Turkey is considered “the clean combination of flesh and skin… derived from the parts or whole carcasses of turkey”.1

Turkey is naturally rich in the ten essential amino acids required by a dog to sustain life.

The second ingredient is flaxseed, one of the best plant sources of healthy omega-3 fatty acids. Provided they’ve first been ground into a meal, flax seeds are also rich in soluble fiber.

However, flaxseed contains about 19% protein, a factor that must be considered when judging the actual meat content of this dog food.

The third ingredient includes potato. Potatoes can be considered a gluten-free source of digestible carbohydrates. Yet with the exception of perhaps their caloric content, potatoes are of only modest nutritional value to a dog.

The next three items include a series of nutrient-rich vegetables

  • Celery
  • Spinach
  • Carrots

The seventh ingredient is coconut. Depending upon the quality of the raw material, coconut is rich in medium chain fatty acids.

Coconut has been reported to have a beneficial effect on a dog’s skin and coat, improve digestion, and reduce allergic reactions.2

The eighth ingredient is apple, a nutrient-rich fruit that’s also high in fiber.

From here, the list goes on to include a number of other items.

But to be realistic, ingredients located this far down the list (other than nutritional supplements) are not likely to affect the overall rating of this product.

With one notable exceptions

This food also contains chelated minerals, minerals that have been chemically attached to protein. This makes them easier to absorb. Chelated minerals are usually found in better dog foods.

The Honest Kitchen Dog Food
The Bottom Line

Before we conclude, it’s worth noting The Honest Kitchen has taken the rather unusual step of applying for (and actually receiving) FDA approval to label its pet foods human grade.

The company only uses human-edible components and produces all its products in a human food manufacturing facility.

Since this recipe also contains a number of organic ingredients, we feel compelled to grant this line a more favorable status as we consider its final rating.

That’s because organic ingredients must comply with notably more stringent government standards — standards which significantly restrict the use of any synthetic pesticides, herbicides, insecticides, hormones or antibiotics.

So, judging by its ingredients alone, the Honest Kitchen appears to be a superior dog food.

But ingredient quality by itself cannot tell the whole story. We still need to estimate the product’s meat content before determining a final rating.

The dashboard displays a dry matter protein reading of 32%, a fat level of 20% and estimated carbohydrates of about 41%.

As a group, the brand features an average protein content of 29% and a mean fat level of 16%. Together, these figures suggest a carbohydrate content of 47% for the overall product line.

And a fat-to-protein ratio of about 55%.

Above-average protein. Near-average fat. And near-average carbs when compared to a typical dry dog food.

Even when you consider the slight protein-boosting effect of the flaxseed, this looks like the profile of a dehydrated dog food containing a notable amount of meat.

Bottom line?

The Honest Kitchen is a plant-based dehydrated dog food using a notable amount of named meats as its main source of animal protein, thus earning the brand 5 stars.

Enthusiastically recommended.

Please note certain recipes are sometimes given a higher or lower rating based upon our estimate of their total meat content.

Special Alert

Rice ingredients can sometimes contain arsenic. Until the US FDA establishes safe upper levels for arsenic content, pet owners may wish to limit the total amount of rice fed in a dog's daily diet.

A Final Word

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However, our rating system is not intended to suggest feeding a particular product will result in specific health benefits for your pet.

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Notes and Updates

04/17/2010 Original review
11/17/2010 Review updated
04/01/2011 Review updated
05/05/2011 Review updated
07/27/2011 Review updated
11/17/2011 Review updated
05/19/2013 Review updated
10/24/2013 Review updated
10/24/2013 Last Update

  1. Adapted by the Dog Food Advisor and based upon the official definition for chicken published by the Association of American Feed Control Officials, Official Publication, 2008 Edition
  2. Dr. Bruce Fife, Healthy Ways Newsletter, Vol 4:3
  • Boston Belle

    I’m going to jump in here,since it’s about the shape of poops,etc. My one female was going BIG,about every 3-4 hours,on Zeal. And they did resemble horse manure,more than dog! I have since switched to K9 Naturals,and the whole game has changed. For the BETTER! It’s a freeze dried raw,we’re using the lamb feast,currently. All three dogs,even my picky eater,LOVE it! It even smell like “meat” to me! My picky boy was taking up,to a half an hour on HK Zeal…..now, he’s almost done before my resident Hoover,Bella! ALL that’s in it is meat,fruits,and vegetables. No added vitamins,etc.,which I guess some dogs react badly to. It’s the same convenience in prep as HK….warm water for 5 minutes. The poos are about 2-3 times a day,but more resemble little brown peanuts! They digest and actually USE so much of the food,very little is converted to waste! A friend of mine in Delaware just went to her local food and boutique shop,and learned they had quit carrying HK. Too much being returned! Usually with only a scoop or two used,and they reported the dogs coughing when they ate. So did mine! They coughed,and little sticks would be on the rug. More than once,my older female threw up,and all it WAS was a little plié of sticks! She said they had replaced HK with K9 Naturals! I would LOVE to go to this shop! Problem is,I’m in Washington state,and this is in Delaware! No more HK for us,EVER!

  • theBCnut

    Each review is update every 18 months.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    The three with no stars are rated 5 stars. When you’re looking at the list of formulas (for any brand) it’s assumed that they all received the overall rating unless there’s another rating in parenthesis. For some foods you’ll notice that there may be one or two formulas in the line that receive 1/2 – 1 star higher or lower than the other formulas.

  • Boston Belle

    Question…in figuring out the rating…if three of the “flavors” have no stars,and the other four are rated as 4 and 4 1/2 stars,how does HK get on overall rating of being a 5 star food? Just curious about that…the math doesn’t seem to check somehow….also,are the HK foods up for a more recent update?

  • Boston Belle

    At some point,we’ll probably switch around to,some of the lower fat flavors,and for variety. The co. recommends the lamb feast,with the green lamb tripe,as the best when switching from other foods and kibble. In switching,this food is SO digestible,you can wait 12 hours,and switch directly to it instead of over a number of days! We did it that way,because the kibble we had tried was a disaster all it’s own,and it worked great! So far it’s been a great success,and my picky eater if finishing almost faster than the girls,and then trying to get into THEIR bowls! THATS never happened before! LOL!

  • Boston Belle

    I have just switched to K9 Natural freeze dried raw,and there is NO comparison! This is an awesome food,almost all of it is used and digested,and my picky eater is scarfing it up like a starving wolf! The poops are like you just described,and far less often! There are NO fillers,only meat,fruits and vegetables. Like HK,it is made up each time with warm water,and wait 5minutes. That is the ONLY similarity!

  • Ashley Standing

    I have always had this reservation against THK because of how plant based the food is. The poop here in this picture looks more similar to horse manure than what we should be seeing coming out of a dog. Aren’t we hoping for dark brown stool? When I feed Orijen 6 Fish I find that I get the kind of poop from my dogs that I think I should want; moderately firm, dark brown, not airy or crumbly but uniform consistency little logs. However, I have been wanting to do better for my dogs than feeding them kibble, so I have branched out and started with Stella & Chewy’s and tried THK. I cannot do frozen raw or prepare my own raw because I do not have the freezer space….but when I start to see people are having issues with things that are suppose to be better, like THK, then I find myself back at square 1. I want grain free because my 13 lb peke-shihtzu cross needs to loose 1-1.5 lbs. I was hoping Zeal may work out as he does seem to like it and it is low calorie and low fat but the poop is not meeting my expectations. :(

  • theBCnut

    I use See Spot Live Longer dinner mix and it requires 2 tablespoons of the premix for one lb of meat. That’s one of the reasons I don’t use THK, though I have heard that they do give directions for using half the amount of premix for athletic dogs, actually they say double the meat, but it amounts to the same thing.

  • Crazy4dogs

    I have a quick question for anyone feeding THK or any of the dehydrated premixes. I like using these so my dogs can get fresh human grade meat in their meals but I’ve found that they all suggest a different premix to protein ratio. It seems like there is an awful lot of mix vs meat especially when you consider raw is 95% meat. I called THK and they said that their standard ratio roughly equals a 20% protein level. I use this in rotation with kibble mixed with canned and raw. What ratio of meat to premix do you use?

  • aimee

    No need to apologize! It is just the nature of this medium. I found the 2004 one too.. yes very frustrating to think you will get to the “bottom” of your question only to be left hanging.
    Did you read the 1936 article yet? The older works are fun to read.

  • Shawna

    Oh, okay!!! Sorry about that..

    I found this but I can’t read the whole article — GRRR (that happens too often when deep searching)…

    In the main google scholar search it states in a link to “The Journal of Food Science June 2004″

    “…became obvious and, over the years, attempts have been made to correct the effects of anemia by the administration of chlorophyll or its derived products. In most reported cases there were positive results, but these have been…”

    When you pull up the Journal page that data isn’t on the viewable page. It reads

    “ABSTRACT: Chlorophyll is the most widely distributed natural
    pigment and occurs in the leaves and other parts of almost all plants.
    Its function in the role of photosynthesis is universally known and yet
    its natural biosynthesis, action, and ultimate fate in a senescent plant
    are still not fully understood. The progressive degradation of
    chlorophyll through a series of similarly colored derivatives, coupled
    with the universal use of a variety of trivial names for them, has given
    rise to much confusion about their identities. The instability of
    chlorophyll in harvested and processed plant products has promoted
    extensive research into methods for its preservation as well as to
    methods for its isolation, analysis, and concentration from cheaper
    sources, with a view to its use for natural color reinforcement. The
    availability of such isolated chlorophyll and chlorophyll-derived
    extracts has also stimulated an interest in the study of their
    potentials as functional ingredients. Since the second half of the last
    century when chlorophyll extracts were first used for odor removal an
    increasing activity of research into the more general area of bioactivity has been reported. In some cases, the explanation for the positive results obtained has not been made obvious and the use of poorly defined pigments has made the reproducibility of results rather difficult. Published evidence for the positive bioactivity of
    chlorophyll extracts is clear and the way forward will be to examine a
    range of products with clearly defined compositions and with a continuity of supply.” http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2621.2004.tb10710.x/abstract

    The instability of chlorophyll, and therefore the inability to make a profit from it, could be a reason why more current research is lacking.

  • aimee

    I thought it was really interesting too.. I like seeing the historical stuff. From your response I think you may have misinterpreted my response

  • aimee

    To clarify most of the posts were in reference to amount/day as in frequency vs each individual deposit’s size.

    From HK : We have a pretty large office pack of dogs, all ages breeds and sizes and they average 3-5 times a day.

    That frequency seems really high mine “go” 1-2 times a day.

  • Shawna

    Wow, just thought it was interesting aimee.. I’ll surely watch what I share.

    I saw several references to it as an internal deodorant on google scholar but it’s hard to focus much with a 3 and 4 year old (and the dogs) around..

  • aimee

    Yes, very interesting! From 1915 Cool! As I said the common structure is what made people think chlorophyll would “build blood”

    Can’t find much on it now, in fact a reference to blood isn’t even mentioned in web MD’s chlorophyll monograph.

    In the Complimentary and Alternative Medicines book I have by Fetrow and Avila the only reference to anemia is as a historical use ,not in the section on “Actions”

    Commentary: “Although it is commonly found in the diet and appears to be safe clinical evidence supporting its use in the treatment of disease is limited. Anecdotal reports and limited evidence suggest that chlorophyll may be effective as an internal deodorant”

  • Shawna

    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH YES, the smell!! Luckily I only had three dogs back in those days and didn’t foster..

    Don’t think I could ever foster if I was still feeding foods like Beneful…

    Edit — Let me clarify for those that do feed Beneful and still foster — I take mostly puppies who are not yet potty trained and retired breed dogs who are used to messing where they live. I also live in a small house (main level is only 900 square feed) and I have four humans and seven dogs living in the area.. Hubby and our eighth dog, an 18 year old Chihuahua, took over the basement..) :)

  • Shawna

    LOL!! Yeah, you can mention the name.. Just no distracting conversations..

    I’ve read many who have had the same experience as you — large and often at first but then balances out.

    I do wonder why they use the stalk or shaft or whatever it’s called in the Zeal while using the leaf in the Preference? Still doesn’t bother me though — as long as I don’t find sticks like Boston Belle. That would definitely be a deal breaker for me…

  • Shawna

    Thanks for reporting your findings Melissa..

    Discontinuing —– that could be why the store isn’t getting the trial boxes of Zeal then.. YIKES, I need to go buy up what the store has in stock of the others just in case…. Thanks for the heads up!!!!

  • Shawna

    I thought you might find this interesting. It is quoted from the nobelprize.org website.

    “In these investigations, which concerned the pigment nucleus both
    in chlorophyll and in haemoglobin, he has made several new and
    important observations regarding the pyrroles and their position
    in this nucleus; in particular, however, he has shown that from
    these two pigments the same parent porphyrin, “aetioporphyrin”,
    can be prepared, whose molecule has retained the essential
    characteristics of the pigment nucleus. By doing this he has
    produced the most interesting and decisive proof of the
    relationship between the two most biologically important pigments
    in Nature – haemoglobin and chlorophyll.” http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/chemistry/laureates/1915/present.html

  • theBCnut

    I’ve fed Beneful too, and it did cause huge stools in my dogs. Like you, back then I never considered stool size either, or how bad a stool could smell. There was no way I could miss knowing a dog had pooped in the house back then., I’ve had the smell wake me in the middle of the night out of a dead sleep. I’ve had Micah poop on the floor not 10 feet away from me and not even know it until I got up for some other reason on what I consider better food.

  • theBCnut

    I could understand that statement if they left out the stinky part and were considering fiber levels as part of the carb count, because fiber digestion most certainly does cause gas, but it may or may not be stinky. And I really have no idea about the fiber level in those foods either. They do cause gas in my dog with food issues, but that is a whole different problem.

  • dchassett

    I fed a 5 star quality food for about two years before I introduced the dogs to THK. Yes, at first I couldn’t believe the size of their stools and how often they had to go but in less than a couple of weeks their stools were back to normal frequency and form. I’m not sure if I’m allowed to mention the food they were on for the two years since no one actually spells it out anymore. Oh! I know how to say it……it has Complete in the name.

  • Shawna

    Clinical trials supporting chlorophyll — nope, hadn’t looked. This site won’t fulfill your requirements for research but it had some interesting info so here we go…. :)

    The “Chronicles of Young Scientists” website states

    “The wheatgrass sprout extract was tested for its ability to induce fetal
    hemoglobin (HbF) production using advanced DNA technology. There was a
    rapid three- to five-fold increase which was significantly greater than
    any of the pharmaceutical inducers available. Wheatgrass found to be
    successful in the treatment of ailments including psoriasis, eczema,
    soft tissue problems, shingles, inflammatory problems, and burns. [7]”

    They also state

    ” Conditions such as osteomyelitis (infection and inflammation of the
    bones), postoperative infections, infections of the brain, and other
    organs associated with formation of pus and bleeding from the gums have
    all been treated successfully with chlorophyll alone or in combination
    with other treatment modalities. [2]

    Astounding success has been experienced in the treatments of many
    diseases with the use of this juice for the rejuvenation process and the
    reversal of disease. The WGJ helps the body with nutrition for healing,
    and it also assists in the detoxification process by eliminating toxins
    which cause disease from the body.”

    I have some wheatgrass in the freezer. I think it’s high time I defrost some and supplement the pups’ diets. I do add powdered wheatgrass to their home made supplement mix.

    And yes, I understand they are discussing wheatgrass but they also state this

    “Although Alfalfa (Wheatgrass) also contains abundant amount of
    chlorophyll, it is difficult to grow it in the home as its roots spread
    deeper in the ground. Besides, after sowing seeds, Alfalfa takes longer
    time before its grass is ready for consumption. Its taste is also
    comparatively pungent” http://www.cysonline.org/article.asp?issn=2229-5186;year=2012;volume=3;issue=1;spage=12;epage=16;aulast=Singhal

    Lower on the page is a list of foods that wheatgrass juice useful for — including cancer and

    “Diseases related to blood and the blood circulation system

    Included among this category are anemia, high blood pressure,
    atherosclerosis, internal hemorrhage, clotting, and the like. Regular intake of the WGJ works wonders especially in the cases of anemia for which no other therapy has such quick cure.”

    They do site their references at the bottom of the page.

    I’ll see what else I can dig up but right now I have to go pick up the grand babies from daycare.

  • Shawna

    I’ve fed Beneful — it causes large stool… :) I think HDM has fed Beneful too. Maybe she’ll report her experience if she sees this.

    And for what it’s worth I’m not suggesting that THK doesn’t increase the stool size. I’ve seen many people report that. I’ve also seen many state that after the gut got used to it that the stool size (and frequency) went back to normal.

    For what it’s worth — when I was feeding Beneful, stool size was something I didn’t even consider as I didn’t know any better until I learned of and switched to better foods. To be totally fair, I think we should only count those folks that used better quality foods (even ones made by Purina) and have something to compare the Beneful and Dog Chow to.

  • aimee

    Yup I agree it is likely the amount and digestibility of the protein. I did that “survey” in response to a poster who said Purina Iams and SD would all make bad gas because carbs causes stinky gas.

  • aimee

    For me picking a dog food company is like choosing who to vote for… which is the least offensive.

    Back in the 30′s/40′s chlorophyll was thought to be a “blood builder” because the structure of heme is very similar to chlorophyll .Heme has Fe where Chlorophyll has Mg. The thought was the body could simply switch out mg for Fe and you’d have blood.

    But when consulting current literature I found no support for this.

    Do you have any current clinical trials supporting using chlorophyll for anemia?

    From Veterinary Herbal Medicine by Dr Wynn regarding Alfalfa

    Published Research: No relevant clinical trials found.

    Why is alfalfa a good plant protein for a dog? I couldn’t find any digestibility data on it in dogs. In pigs I found about 50% digestibility and a reported BV of about 50% I think that was also in pigs in an older study.

    The low BV doesn’t concern me too much because you can balance that with other AA. However, I know you don’t like plant proteins because of low BV’s. If 50% of the protein ends up on the lawn I don’t see it as a good protein source. Please explain. What is the digestibility of dehydrated alfalfa in dogs?

  • theBCnut

    I wouldn’t have expected reports of bad gas on foods that have less protein, if bad gas is from anarobic bacteria digesting protein, just me. But thanks for your explanation of how you got your numbers, it makes good sense to me.

  • aimee

    I had previously read through all the HK posts and if the poster was using HK as a diet and not a topper I wrote down their name (so I wouldn’t double count) and noted if they reported any stool problems.

    Today I skimmed through Dog Chow and Beneful threads to find posters that fed Beneful and Dog Chow ,again keeping track of names so I didn’t double count. On one of the two I think Dog Chow I started with most recent and after going through many pages and having about 10 users I accidentally exited so I started with oldest post. I think the Beneful site was still on oldest post when I sorted through.

    If the poster reported feeding the product I read the post to see if there were any comments about stool. After getting 17 Dog Chow feeders I went to the Beneful site and did the same thing.

    There were no adverse stool reports from the 17 Dog Chow users and of the Beneful users the last two users I looked at reported a problem 2/17

    This was similar to what I did when looking at “gas reports” and found about 30% of posters from 3 foods I think I did orijen ,Blue Buffalo, and Wellness core reported “bad gas” and there were no comments of bad gas from equivalent numbers of posters on Hills Purina and Iams.

  • Melissaandcrew

    I don’t normally feed THK but picked up a 7lb preference today. No stick like pieces in mine either. Btw..they are discontinuing some, if not all of the 4 OZ samples

  • theBCnut

    Just wondering… Did you read the first 34 comments on the Beneful thread or the first 34 that were actually about Beneful? Same with Purina? The reason I’m asking is because I know that they are threads that frequently get off topic, so I went and looked at them and noticed that within the first 34 comments on the Beneful thread, there wasn’t even one that was actually about Beneful at all and within the first 34 on the Purina thread, there was only one about Purina that wasn’t the same lunatic posting multiple times. Definitely not cherry picked, but also not relevant. I didn’t look back to see what I would find if you looked at the first 34 OPs because there would be nothing quick about that.

  • aimee

    Well let’s look at some data on that. Quickly I went through HK Dog Chow and Beneful threads in order of posts… no cherry picking: ).

    HK 11 of 34, 32% of people using the food reported negative stool comments: numerous, voluminous, undigested pieces seen in it.

    Dog Chow/Beneful 2 of 34, 5.8% reported a negative stool experience. None reported undigested ingredients and no sticks!

    All three foods are plant based foods. The data of this small sample gives Dog Chow and Beneful the edge in regards to gross evaluation of stool.

  • Shawna

    Hmmm, maybe we should read what some are saying about the poo coming out of dogs that eat Beneful or Dog Chow.

    As to your comments on sugar — OH MY GOD, you’ve actually left me speechless!!! :)

  • aimee

    It is absolutely lovely that HK uses human grade ingredients etc.. but
    to be objective we need to step back a but and evaluate are the nutrients getting into the dog?

    I’m posting a few excerpts from this site: “her poop seems to have the same pieces of carrots and such
    that I see in her food – looking entirely the same as when I served them to her.”

    “found that my very active corgi had a hard time maintaining her weight.”

    ..he ended up pooping out EASILY half the food he ate….. Looked like we had a horse living in the back yard.”

    The company reports “our foods are never cooked…” yet they use ingredients that unless cooked are not well digested, raw potato in Embark for example.

    I can’t find digestibility information on alfalfa in dogs. I found a source that reported alfalfa protein digestion in pigs at about 50%.

    Is this a situation of “The Emperors New Clothes? Is Boston Belle the
    little boy standing on the side of the road calling out that the king is
    naked?

    I don’t know! Isn’t it worth evaluating further?

    So yes at this time I will rank Purina higher than HK Do I like everything that Purina does Heck No! But Purina meets my criteria much more closely than HK does.

    In regards to sugar, I don’t vilify ingredients. Sugar is a carb, provides energy without nutrients, kinda like tapioca. When incorporated into the food I don’t know that it acts any different than the sugars in HK food.

  • Boston Belle

    LOL! They really are,and the ad for them says they’re the “green” solution,and it really is! All the “stuff” goes to the treatment plant,and isn’t piling up in a landfill in a bag! Maybe as camo in your yard,you could find some sort of a decorative box,or upside down pot,or? to set over it! It’s just about like a big green mixing bowl!
    You are welcome! We’ve had up to 6 dogs here at a time,and it was heaven! Our backyard is very long,and big. We have the dogs “go” here before we let them out there,and then we don’t have to check it for “land mines” before mowing!

  • Betsy Greer

    What a perfect area to be a designated dog bathroom!

    Your picture is also really helpful, because I can see how high up the DDD sits. It looks like it’s about the same diameter and about half the height of one of those plastic Arizona tea containers. My cleanout is unobtrusive currently as it’s basically camouflaged by the white stone in the bed and the front of my house in that area is limestone. Right now, the DDD would stick out like a sore thumb.

    I plan to change the landscaping in that area fairly soon, so if it’s hidden when I do, I promise I’ll buy a DDD!

    Thanks so much for sharing your information, pictures and enthusiasm!! You’re the first person I ever talked to that has a DDD and I think they’re fantastic!

  • Boston Belle

    I don’t think there’s ANY problem with it washing away the amount! If you go out,and unscrew the cap,and look down,you’ll see your drain pipe. It’s a good sized pipe! We’ve got three that I know of,but I don’t know why….one is on the side,that coincides with the “dog bathroom”! LOL! Kinda hard to see it,it’s the green thing….we did put a hose bib there too,because our old dog was having a couple of months,plus, of the runs. Sure came in handy!

  • Betsy Greer

    The biggest issue is that the clean out is in the front yard in one of my borders. The dogs go out in the backyard, so I’d have to carry it around to the front. Also, when I first started looking at the DDD, I had only one small dog, my Cavalier. Now, I also have a Golden, and I wonder if it could handle the load. Also, I frequently don’t do poop patrol every day.

  • Boston Belle

    If you’re bagging,and then putting those out,it would be even easier than that. I’d say to get a small-ish bucket,and get several “donations” per trip. Your sewer won’t have a problem washing them away. We do use some water(jugs or hose), to rinse the bowl and shovel sometimes…depends on if “something” sticks a little. I can’t imagine a reason you’d be sorry you got one!

  • Shawna

    Morning Labs :)

    Yeah, you won’t find a Purina fan in me either.. :)

    I don’t think a great deal of research has been done on the plant, however anecdotally the plant has been used for arthritis, ulcers, urinary problems, scurvy prevention and such for thousands of years. I’m not sure which parts of the plant were believed to help which ailments but lets examine the leaf. The leaf is a good source of chlorophyll (as is many other plants). Chlorophyll has MANY health benefits including being a blood builder. I know of holistic practitioners that keep pills filled with chlorophyll in their emergency chests for cases of blood loss.

    Alfalfa is also a source of vitmain K. Vitamin K helps prevent osteoporosis, a form of arthritis.

    The Cambridge Journals report the plant can help to prevent and treat diabetes (antidiabetic is the term they use). http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=880748

    I agree that THK rep took some liberties by stating all that and should have worded it as — the plant has been historically used for…. Or, nutrients within the plant are known to……

    Interestingly, the arabic translation for alfalfa is “the father of all foods”.

    All that said, the leaf from my understanding is the most nutrient dense part and therefore the food should be green like Preference. It may be that a specific nutrient is in the stem and that was included for that reason only? Also, the trial bags/boxes I’ve used did not have those same stick like particles. May just be that the trial size options are utilizing different batches then what is currently in the large boxes??

    And finally, Zeal does show alfalfa higher up in the ingredient list. Alfalfa is a good plant based source of protein and as such is boosting the overall protein content of the already minimal 35% (for my likings). Although I don’t have a problem with the food (unless I find sticks in it) I certainly wouldn’t use it as an exclusive diet and when using would definitely add extra canned and/or raw to it. But then I do that with EVERY food… :)

    Edit —- the chlorophyll pills I mentioned being used by holistic practitioners, for blood loss emergencies, is derived from alfalfa (I just checked the company website). The same chlorophyll “pearles” are also used by many practitioners to relieve pain. They also have a chlorophyll salve that is great for burns. I’ve personally used both the pearles and the salve.

  • Betsy Greer

    I’ve been on the fence for so long, you’re not going to have much trouble talking me into it!

  • LabsRawesome

    Hey Shawna, don’t forget Purina’s other awesome foods. Dog Chow, Chef Michael’s, Be Happy, Alpo, Moist & Meaty. Talk about marketing spin, Purina markets floor sweepings and corn & just about every other bad ingredient, with added vitamins, in such a way that the average unsuspecting person actually thinks that crap is healthy for their dogs. Personally I find the whole Purina Company lacking. But I do agree with Aimee on one point. It is total BS that THK said that alfalfa is such a great ingredient in their dog food.

  • Crazy4cats

    Oh, I couldn’t do it. Thank your for your great service.

  • Shawna

    LOL!!! Touche :)

    To be honest, when my first foster left I cried for two days straight and off and on for two weeks. And she was a naughty little creature. She was a two year old retired breeder that didn’t get a chance to be a puppy and she made up for it in my house. Ate shoes, ate a table lamp (the glass covers over the bulbs) etc. And she could not be kenneled cause she would FREAK.. Her adopted mom said she’s touched every single surface in the home and calls her “her little tazmanian devil”.

    The rescue president said to me — “you can adopt one and save a life or you can foster and save many”. I was in a position where I could go with the many option and the rest is history.. :)

    I’m doing a class tomorrow so I best get myself in bed or my brain will not be happy with me (just turned 1:00 am here).

    Have a GREAT night/sleep!!

  • dchassett

    OMG! How simply adorable. I don’t know how you can let them go. I get attached instantly. How old were they in the pics? My son used to have a Papillon. Cutest little guy.

    Bore us with too many dog pics? Funny, have you forgotten what site your on?

  • Shawna

    I really don’t understand your reasoning sometimes aimee. A company that is known and confirmed to use human grade ingredients and spend the monies to have the food made in a human grade facility is questioned (and possibly rightfully so) while a company that uses SUGAR in their foods is recommended? What would be the “nutritional” reason for using sugar? Do you think the Purina nutritionist really thinks sugar is appropriate? They might be honest in their reasoning for using it (taste) but does that make it okay?

  • Shawna

    OH MY GOSH, that is such a cute picture.. We had one really early on in our time fostering named Jolee that was reverse colored like that however I think she must have had something beside Boston in her.

    My Chihuahua/Min Pin mix is in front of Jolee. Audrey who is a Chihuahua/Boston/Poodle mix is behind Jolee and my Pom Gizmo is to the right.

  • Shawna

    Thanks Dori!! I’ve had some ADORABLE little (and not so little) babies. Got kinda nostalgic looking back through all the pics. I won’t bore everyone with too many more but I found a good one of Buscuit (Boston/Pitty) like Losul’s Turbo. And found Papillon Ella who was Brian’s favorite. He had a REALLY hard time letting Ella go. The couple that adopted her flew in from California and spent the day with us and her. That helped but it was still hard for him..

  • aimee

    I’m not condemning the company based on a product. I evaluated the company using criteria that are important to me and find the company lacking.

    First I look at the website. I can take a bit of marketing spin but this site was getting me a bit dizzy.

    Looking deeper I find a lot of misinformation and unsubstantiated claims. An example can be seen in the answer to Boston Belle regarding the “benefits” of alfalfa. After consulting several herbal sources I trust I find that there is no data to support the claims being made.

    You know me, I veer away from that type of behavior.

    Lastly, from what I can tell the diets are formulated by Lucy Postins, I’m not sure where the title of “companion animal nutritionist.” came from. She holds a bachelors in equine studies and business.

    I don’t like to see people with random degree’s calling themselves nutritionists. I only consider someone a nutritionist if they hold an advanced degree in nutrition: PhD, DACVN or European equivalent. Just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

    Finally I didn’t care for how the company handled this customers concern.

  • dchassett

    Love it. I don’t think I could get any of my dogs to keep the ears on. With Easter around the corner I wish I could. It would be a great pic. Lucky you to have such a cooperative little girl.

  • Boston Belle

    Our own personal Easter bunny! LOL!

  • dchassett

    Hysterically funny with those ears. Took me a moment to figure out what I was looking at. Too cute!

  • dchassett

    Oh Shawna. They are so so sweet. I love them. You are such a good lady. Bless you, you’ve got a huge heart. Sara looks like she’s one of the stuffed toys and Panda is just too damn cute. I know she’s deaf but she seems to be listening very intently. I’ve got music going on and it looks like she’s trying to get closer to me to hear the music.

  • Boston Belle

    Awwwwww! So cute! I love the markings! We have two tuxedo’s and one splash! Im didn’t even know what one was until we got her!
    This is her in last year’s rabbit ears…have you joined BostonTerriersRUs? You should,if not! Lots of people posting lots of pics and stories. I’m an admin on there…I’ll watch for you and approve your add if you want!
    The sewer will have no trouble at all handling your “deposits”, and we love getting extra mileage out of the fee we pay for the water and sewer usage!

  • Shawna

    We have five humans (which include my adult daughter and 3 and 4 years old grand babies) and eight dogs – all little though. We have sewer drainage so should be okay…

    Boston zoomies are hilarious!! I fostered a little 10 pound female that was a breed dog and spent most of her time in a crate that was too small for her. Consequently she had very badly bowed legs. We have a VERY LARGE back yard and she’d get back there and just GO. She’d run SO FAST she’d lose her footing and roll head over heals. But AS SOON as she regained her footing again she’d take right back off as if nothing had happened. She was hilarious!!!

    I’ve posted pics of two of my foster babies. The first is Sara. She came in at only six weeks old. The breeder was going to put her down due to a neurological disorder. She couldn’t walk in a straight line but if she ran she did better. As she aged she learned to compensate for it and has had a very good life. The second is Panda who came in at six months due to her owner learning she was deaf and not having an environment that would be conducive to that. I’ve fostered three deaf Boston puppies and they are just as easy as any other puppy.. :)

  • Boston Belle

    That’s good to know,about the fat content! This brand has a number of “flavors” and I’ve never really rotated food before,but I think now it will be easier! The guys had their first meal of only tripe…dehydrated also. The people at K9 recommend starting with the lamb,when changing from kibble,and while we hadn’t really gotten established on it,I went with it anyway,to calm down their insides! They suggest a few alternating dinners with the tripe,to settle the gut,etc. They SEEM to have more energy already! We just got home from the store,and they were doing zoomies all over the house.
    I can’t recommend that doo drain invention highly enough! We had tried that doggie Dooley thing,that’s like a septic tank,and it was awful! This bowl threads right on to the 4″ white PVC clean out pipe,found around the foundation of your house. Most houses have them,and it’s the access a plumber would use for a “snake”, if you had a clog. When you scoop the poop,and open,it,and drop it in.you can see it,way down in the pipe. The next water usage from your house just carries it away,to the “treated”,just like the rest. It’s supposed to work on both sewer or septic. I would think if you have septic,maybe more of the chemical couldn’t hurt….depending on your system,how many people are in your household,number and size of the dogs,etc. With sewer,tho,it’s sooooo easy,we just drop it,as soon as they do it,and it always stay super clean. Doesn’t even attract flies in the summer like a bag did!

  • Shawna

    Hey Boston Belle,

    K9 Natural should digest better as it is freeze dried raw and higher in protein. BUT the lamb is REALLY high in fat and if fed exclusively to a dog that is not pretty active it might lead to a protein deficiency. This food has over twice as many calories from fat as from protein. In a rotational diet I wouldn’t worry so much about it but I wouldn’t recommend it as an exclusive diet.

  • Shawna

    Aimee,

    It’s not like you to condemn a company for one product in their lineup? You recommend Purina despite Beneful after all.

  • Shawna

    Hi Boston Belle,

    Sorry for the delay in posting. I got home yesterday and realized I had already used the Zeal I thought I had. Had a chance to stop by the store this afternoon and they were out of the small boxes of Zeal but I got two sample packs. Also bought a sample box of Love and a 3lb box of Preference. Pictures below.

    Many have reported that their dogs initially had larger stools on HK but in time their pet’s digestive tract became accustomed and things got better. Others have reported their pet never adjusted. My eight have never had an issue with any of the HK foods but I give digestive enzymes with every meal (including with their raw meals even).

    Not sure if it’s really easy to see in the pic but I really didn’t see any larger stick like pieces or even any small ones. I did find a piece that was about a half inch but when I tried to pick it up I broke it. This was a sample bag however and for that reason may not represent what is currently being produced? The store owner did tell me they’ve not gotten a shipment of the trial boxes lately??

    The Love looks really good to me and the Preference looks no different than normal. I use it more often. The pieces you see in it are apple and are very pliable. The picture of the Preference with the label was too large so I had to crop it and couldn’t get the label in. Sorry

  • Crazy4cats

    OMG, Labbsy! I’m suffering from poop envy and you’re rubbing my face in it!(Ewwww) Thanks a lot! Lol!

  • Crazy4cats

    Hey, that is a great idea!

  • Boston Belle

    It is awesome! Sometimes in the winter,we pour just enuf hot water over the opening to thaw it to open…..maybe you could just take some over to it in smallish batches? So clean,you won’t believe it!

  • Boston Belle

    EXACTLY! THANK YOU! And now that I see how much was NOT used,in the volume ,and frequency of their waste,I’m even more convinced! Bella was going about every 3-4 hours,so I obviously wasn’t being digested or used! SHAME on you,HK!

  • Betsy Greer

    I love the Doggie Doo Drain idea. I’ve looked and looked at it on Amazon for two years. I would’ve definitely bought one to use during the half of the year that we’re not buried in snow (OK, maybe not half, but it’s seemed like it this year), if it weren’t for the fact that my clean out is in my front yard.

    http://www.amazon.com/Doggie-Doo-Drain-Waste-Attachment/dp/B0020N940C/ref=sr_1_1?s=pet-supplies&ie=UTF8&qid=1396730830&sr=1-1&keywords=doggie+doo+drain

  • LabsRawesome

    Hi Boston Belle, that is really jacked up, that a company with such expensive food, is putting so much indigestible material in their food. I’m thinking it was there all along, and something happened with quality control. So bigger pieces of sticks, alfalfa, or whatever that crap is, came through. Even if it was ground up into finer pieces, I wouldn’t want to be paying all that money for a bunch of cheap junk, that my dogs can’t even digest.

  • LabsRawesome

    You’d be extra jealous of me then. All 3 of my dogs poos are even firmer and smaller then Boston Belle’s dog. Added bonus- no sticks and wood chips in their food or doo doo. LOL.

  • Boston Belle

    This new food has started even better ones!LOL! Smaller,and no sticks! K9 Natural lamb feast….check out their site,,,,awesome company and so healthy! Can’t resist showing a device…since we’re “into poop”! This is an attachment for your sewer clean out pipe….no more bagging EVER! The water use age from your house carry it away! Sold on Amazon…Doggie Doo Drain sewer attachment!

  • Crazy4cats

    I totally understand your concern. I wouldn’t feed it anymore either. But, I just have to tell you how jealous I am of your dog’s poop! So nice and small and formed! Lol!

  • Boston Belle

    Thank you for your input,and taking the time to read all this,and study the pics! I see no benefit to to he pet that eats this,and like you said,it could really irritate their insides! I wish I could have you actually feel the hardness ,and sharpness ,of the unsoftened pieces! I can’t recommend them either,and I USED to,quite often! I also don’t want to use anything else,like another variety,because now I don’t trust them to be using only top notch products,in ANY of the foods! Since they still maintain they only use the finest quality,and this obviously ISNT,I find their credibility in question. Period. I have switched to another food,and in seeing the difference,I’m even more turned off by the “sticks”! Thanks again!

  • Boston Belle

    I saw I had done that,by mistake,and deleted it,but it must not have done it! Thanks you!

  • aimee

    I didn’t find the picture offensive at all and I agree that there appears to be a fair amount of undigested material in the feces.

    When incorporating plant material I’d expect some fiber. I don’t know the overall effect on the colon with this particular type of fiber but in large hard pieces I can’t see it as anything other than an irritant.

    I agree fiber is a filler and in some instances may be a desired one( weight loss diet)

    I’ve found that the “filler” in raw/dehydrated animal based diets is often bone sometimed in the form of larger shards than I’d like to see.

    After evaluating this company and seeing the product pics you posted I can’t recommend this company at this time

  • Boston Belle

    In the pic of the three baggies of the “material”, the top was what I was pulling out of my current,and LAST box of Zeal. Exactly my point,too,about the leaves,vs. the woody stems. To me,ground up,or not,it has no food value and isn’t digested anyway. All it can be there for is a filler,to add to the weight of an already expensive box of food. It averages out to about $10 a pound! And at that price,you shouldn’t have to pick things out!
    I’m also going to put a pic of poop,and I hope it’s not too offensive! But,you can see the same pieces,after soaking,and digesting,they remain the same! Can’t be good for the guts!

  • aimee

    I have to say that looks very unappetizing to me : P

    I”d think the leaf would be the desired part of the plant and the fibrous stems much less so. Depending on quality that ratio changes. If you want the leaf in your life then some stems will fall.

    It concerns me more to see this roughage as large pieces vs finely ground. I realize in both cases the material will have little benefit to the dog but the finer grind at least eliminates the physical hazard from this material.

    What I’m understanding is that recently you are finding fewer of the large pieces but you are still finding them.

    Like you, I find these large pieces unacceptable.

  • dchassett

    Hi Betsy, thanks for thinking of me and my girls. Zeal is the only formula on THK they can eat that Katie doesn’t have issues with. Thrive and Embark are poultry and Love has the white potatoes. I’m just hoping they come out with a formula without the alfalfa, poultry and white potato. Too much to hope for.

  • Boston Belle

    I’m hoping in that new pic,you’ll be able to see NUMEROUS little tiny white rectangles of this stuff,just chopped up smaller…doesn’t make it any more nutritious,or digestible,just harder to see,

  • Boston Belle

    Okay, the bottom two bags were from a good while back. After sending them emails with pics,they said they were fixing the problem,and to buy only boxes marked after I think,April,or so,of last year. The next ones,I saw very little to pick out,still a lot in the poop…this last box,there wer the pieces in the top bag,and I only used lees that half of it,and it has been returned to a local vendor,who is now ALL OVER this with their rep,and DM! (

  • aimee

    Boston Belle,

    What volume of food on average are you collecting this from?

    Would the amount say in the middle bag represent fragments in how many cups of product.

  • Boston Belle

    Thank you both for your input! Aimee…not what I expected either,and I received a second message much repeating the one I posted. I’m even wondering how much of this is actually being used! And as fas as me being the only one they have heard from…I think if people get a trial size,to start with,and DID see the pieces,they would just toss the food,and never contact HK! I’m an admin on two “dog” sites…one has about 8500 people,and the other about 450. I’ve posted pics,and asked what I’ve asked here,and only TWO have replied. And one of those only uses it as a wet topping,occasionally. We’ve gone to 5 retail places around us,and only three are carrying it,the other two,only special order. We’ve watched the dates,on the three that carry it,and it’s not “moving”! Ill repost my pic with the product code of the last box,so when you check yours,you’ll be able to see if it’s close to it. The woman who did this on the chat,found her box was made within two weeks,and hers looked WORSE that mine,from her pic. Thanks again for your input!

  • Shawna

    Interesting!!!! I feed HK Preference and I use sample boxes (the $5.00 ones) to mix with some other foods. I just added some Love to raw rabbit. I also have samples of Zeal. I’m at work right now but I’ll open the samples up and see what they look like. I’ll take pics and post too..

    If I find that mine looks like yours, I won’t feed it again till it’s been resolved.

  • Betsy Greer

    Maybe they didn’t give a full ingredient list. It’s been a few months, so I must’ve recalled them listing at least a few ingredients, but my memory is not the best anymore. : )~

  • Betsy Greer

    Hi Dori,

    Reading the letter below, I thought of you. Kat mentioned that Love, Thrive and Embark are all alfalfa free. I just checked the THK website and sure enough, they are. Are you able to use one of those recipes instead? I can’t recall off the top of my head if she has any other intolerances which might make those not an option after all.

    If you go to their website and use the “filter by ingredients” on the left side of the page you can choose those products with or without specific ingredients: http://www.thehonestkitchen.com/dog-food

  • aimee

    That is an interesting response and not quite what I would expect.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com/ Mike Sagman

    Just curious. I read the same letter. What part of THK’s response suggests to you “this has been an ongoing problem”?

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com/ Mike Sagman

    Your comment has been removed because you posted a photo containing the personal contact information (phone number and email address) for someone else without their permission.

  • Boston Belle

    I have ditched HK completely. Those sticks of alfalfa we’re deal breakers! Just yesterday,I started a new,and FAR BETTER food…K9 Naturals. Do a lot of reading about the co.,and their products….amazing quality,ALL my dogs love it,are already feeling better,and NO STICKS!

  • Boston Belle

    Aimee! I am soooo glad to hear from you! Yes,I did message HK,and sent pics of what I’d been finding,and told them it wasn’t digesting,etc. The response is above,basically saying since I was the only one having a problem,or even seeing these pieces,they wouldn’t be making any changes,until someone ELSE did! So,I’ve started my own little sort of quest,to see if anyone else DOES think this stuff doesn’t belong in DOG food! Rabbit,Guinness pig,maybe,but not dog!
    Thank you for your comment!

  • Boston Belle

    Okay,I finally found the reply I was looking for…the other two weren’t them…really hard to see which was which til I went back to my oics…

  • Boston Belle

    Aimee! Am I glad to hear form you! YES,I did message HK,with these new pics,and telling them what I’ve found. They returned the same answer,twice! That they looked at them,and their operations manager was fine with it. Also,they wondered why I was the only one who’s seen these or had a problem….:(
    Then,they said UNTIL someone else DID,they would make no changes! Soooooo,I’ve started a quest of sorts to see if anyone else DID think this stuff has no place in dog food. I think I can post a copy of their reply,as a pic! Let’s see!

  • aimee

    Hi Boston Belle,

    Thanks for posting this, esp. the pics! I agree that this is undigestible material. i would expect that roughage would be quite abrasive to the GI tract and not something I would feed.

    From your post this sounds like this has been an ongoing problem. Did HK explain to you how this got past their quality control or did they consider this acceptable?

  • dchassett

    Hi Betsy. I remember when you posted that because I’ve been checking ever since. Then Katie became intolerant to alfalfa so I stopped checking. That was a while ago. Wonder what’s taking so long.

  • Freeholdhound

    I have to avoid not only sweet potato but the oatmeal in the other beef formula.

  • Freeholdhound

    I thought they gave a hint of the ingredients on the survey (ancestral grain etc) but I don’t remember detailed list. Not letting the secret out yet. Patience isn’t a virtue I was born with. Lol.

  • Betsy Greer

    Darn it you guys! I looked high and low last night to find the new recipes. I took the survey they posted a while back to name the new products and even posted the links to the surveys here. They listed the ingredients on the survey. I believe both formulas used ancestral grains. One was duck, millet, buckwheat, etc., and the other was a pre-mix like Preference, again using ancestral grains.

  • Caroline Capobianco

    Have you contacted them? I can’t wait until they come out. I figured out that Max can’t have too much sweet potato or it makes the yeast on his feet and ears flare up. It took awhile but once I stopped feeding zeal it went away.

  • Freeholdhound

    I wish I could find info on the new formulas coming out. I can only feed LOVE sparingly as a once in awhile topper (risking the sweet potato issue).

  • dchassett

    Primal sent it to me by email.

  • Karissa Dreese

    Where did you get the coupon for Primal?

  • Nancy Tomassi

    Plaqclnz is good for cleaning plaque off dog teeth.

  • Boston Belle

    I guess this is a part two,I had added some pics,of the large alfalfa pieces,but they didn’t come through….I’ll try again,here,as this is a lot shorter,maybe they will work!

  • Boston Belle

    We have been using Zeal for about a year and a half,and a while back were noticing large pieces of stick-like material. When I say large,I would compare them to ALMOST wooden match sticks. I sent in a pick,with a Cheerio among the pieces for scale. I heard back,and exchanged more info. I received a free 10# box!and told the problem was being rectified!and to buy only after a certain date!as the others were likely to still have the big stems of apparently alfalfa. Also,if we ordered direct,we would get the freshest,and newest packaging. We had an older dog,that we couldn’t change food on,due to a diarrhea issue. We ordered a case twice,(we have three others,all Bostons), as we were using a 10# box every 16 days. We also received one more 10# bow with points. In this last box,we are once again find big pieces of stems(?) that are smaller than those other large ones,but not digestible! They are woody,bleached white in color,float to the top when the water is added,and do not soften,no matter how long they soak. While these are considered to be part of the newer”tea”cut HK is doing,they are not acceptable in the food. I have contacted HK,with new pics,and product label info. I received an answer,and was told about all the good things that are in alfalfa,and that no one else has seemed to see these,or has reported a problem. When my dogs are eating,they often “hack”, and one of these pieces will fly out onto the rug. Not only that,when picking up their waste,the same types of pieces are easily visible in it! While there may be some wonderful elements in alfalfa,these pieces couldn’t possibly have any food value,and even if they did,they aren’t being digested to access it. The only purpose I can see for this type of thing is to add weight to an already expensive box of food. I’m REALLY disappointed with this situation,and am in the process of switching to a different food,as well as manufacturer. But,I’d still like to put this out,and see if anyone else has encountered anything like this? I have some pics that clearly show it in the food,floating on top,as well as some I’ve picked out,that are dry. In the first one,there’s a banana chip,and a penny for scale. The banana chip is there,because they wanted to know if what I saw was banana…..The second one,is the newer stuff on top,and the older”match sticks”. I would love to get any imput anyone has! But seriously…does this look like dog food?

  • Crazy4cats

    Yes, I agree with the Nut. I have and currently use both as a topper. I know that THK is very healthy and less processed, but I feel like I am actually giving them some meat on top of their kibble when I add canned to it. I mostly use the Kirkland Cuts in Gravy. It is a great value 5-star canned food. I use THK if I have a real good coupon just to switch it up a bit, but I prefer canned. And as for my dogs, they eat anything!

  • theBCnut

    If you are looking at a topper as something to boost protein, then 5 star canned will have more protein. That’s what many of us want from a topper. THK may have higher quality ingredients though, so you have to decide how much that matters too.

  • Sheila Moore Rials

    So 4-5 star canned is a better choice than THK for use as a topper?

  • neezerfan

    I bought the Preference with my coupon. I mixed it with ground chicken and froze it in muffin tins. It does seem to have a lot of alfalfa but Riley loves it! And I can ad whatever meat I want.

  • KVee

    I just ordered a bunch of samples from THK. Excited to see how this complements my furbabe :) I used the product selector tool and it basically recommended me Love and Preference. We shall see. One question to THK believers. What ratio or organ meat and lean protein do you use? My Susie is just over 9 months, normally active (goes to the dogpark twice a week – she is VERY active there- and walks the neighborhood an average or 2 miles per week)

  • InkedMarie

    Thrive has a different smell. Don’t forget that a little THK in a kong then frozen makes a great treat!

  • Crazy4cats

    Yes, it probably is the alfalfa. It smells more “grassy” than meaty. I do like the fact I’m taking a little break from possible bha in cans. I would probably buy again if I received another really good coupon.

  • dchassett

    THK is a great food. It’s also great to keep on hand for times you’ve forgotten to defrost meats, etc. or have nothing else on hand to add to their meals. I use the Zeal. You get accustomed to the smell rather quickly, or at least I did. I think it’s probably the alfalfa you’re referring to but my dogs go crazy for the smell and the taste and lick the bowls clean. I feed raw now but always have a box of THK in the pantry. I know it’s not raw but for my girls I feel it’s much better than any kibble or canned and don’t have to worry about oils going rancid or bha in the cans. Glad your dogs like it. I too got the coupon from them. I also just got a coupon from Primal for their Primal Pronto formula which is one of the commercial raw foods that I use.

  • Crazy4cats

    Hi All-
    I recently received an $8 off coupon from the Honest Kitchen due to them changing their packaging and wanting to clear out the old packaging at the feed stores. So, I went ahead and bought a box of the 4 pound thrive variety. I’ve only used for a couple of days now as a topper at my dogs afternoon meals. It is very convenient as I just put a little less than 1/4 cup in with about a half cup water in their kibble and stir it up. Hopefully, it’s a nice change for the dogs from their regular canned food at every meal for a while. But, I think the texture and smell is a little strange. I kind of miss putting chunks of meat in their food. They, however, don’t seem to mind. LOL! So far so good. No stinky gas in the evening and their “output” is still decent. Don’t know how often I’ll buy as it is pretty expensive. But would recommend if you can get a good coupon!

  • Tallguy

    I tried this brand (Verve, embark, Keen) for my miniature schnauzer for about 2.5 years. The whole time, he had pretty bad gas and a fairly loose stool. Once I switched to a different brand, the gas problem went away. Pity because I love the concept of Honest Kitchen. Another problem: my kids refused to go near the stuff – “its gross!”

  • Shawna

    I agree with Marie.. Newer research has demonstrated that senior dogs actually need more protein than adult dogs. Seniors, in general, are not as efficient at digesting their food as younger dogs so to meet their requirements for protein they tend to need more per meal. There’s tons of reliable data online. If interested we can point you to some.

    Overweight dogs can also benefit from higher protein foods (even if inactive). The Journal of Nutrition has a good paper on it titled “High-Protein Low-Carbohydrate Diets Enhance Weight Loss in Dogs” http://jn.nutrition.org/content/134/8/2087S.full

  • InkedMarie

    Dogs don’t need a senior food for the most part. I’ve fed eight plus dogs THK over the last eight years; I found it to work well for a dog needing to lose weight. I like Embark, Love & Zeal because they have have higher protein (Embark is the lowest of the three). All three are grainfree as well. Of course, they’re also the most expensive.

  • CRE

    I ordered samples of each and will try those next! They weren’t specifically recommended for senior dogs though but I’m not sure how much that really matters. I’m only a little concerned because my dog is not super active and is a little overweight (we got her as a rescue not long ago and are trying to help her lose weight while spoiling her at the same time).

  • InkedMarie

    Low in protein. Have you tried Embark or Love?

  • CRE

    I tried feeding my senior dog Zeal, but she didn’t take to it. She did however like Force but I’m unclear as to why it received a 4 instead of 5 star rating. Can anyone explain further?

    Thanks!

  • Daniel

    Have you considered Grandma Lucy’s Pureformance? They also have a Pre-mix similar to Preference, it is chickpea based. I’m currently using the Goat variety and my dog loves it.

    edit: don’t know if he can handle chickpeas!

  • Deborah L.Walden

    Thanks Patty,I guess I will keep him on this until they change the formula in Love,then try that one.Glad to know ab out alfalfa,thanks

  • Deborah L.Walden

    Yes,I saw that,and that will be great,but in the mean time I will run out of food,just don’t really know what to do right now

  • Daniel

    Deborah, the dandelion in Love is being replaced by chard very soon. http://www.thehonestkitchen.com/thk-blog/two-minor-ingredient-changes-in-2014/
    Love has no alfalfa. Might work for you when they roll the new formula out.

  • Pattyvaughn

    Alfalfa is not related to the barley, it’s a legume.

  • Deborah L.Walden

    he is allergic to dandelion too as well as many other grasses and molds

  • Deborah L.Walden

    My frenchie is allergic to chicken,eggs,barley,oat,milk,rice,rabbit,duck,yeast and soybean.I have been feeding preference with added raw beef but it contains alfalfa,is that related to barley?He is still paw liking till they are raw.It’s been very hard to find a food without these items in it.I have been feeding my boxer honest kitchen and its cured her colitis.I would like to keep my frenchie on it but dont know what formula to get now.Any help would be appreciated.

  • dchassett

    Dog food is not meant to clean teeth. It is a myth that kibble is better to keep teeth clean, probably started by the kibble manufacturers way back when. You only have to think about what you eat and what foods get stuck in your teeth to realize that dry crunchy food is not cleaning your own teeth. The only real way to get your dogs teeth clean is with a SOFT children’s toothbrush and DOG toothpaste (don’t waste your money on expensive dog toothbrushes). As jean-e-lane said, imagine you eat crackers or cookies, bread sticks, etc. it all gets stuck in between your teeth and you have to brush and floss. As a matter of fact THK is better for their teeth because when they drink water a lot of it is either swallowed or you’ll rinsed out in the water bowl. I brush my three dogs teeth twice a day every day. I have a 14 year old Maltese, Hannah, who has never had to have her teeth professionally cleaned. As a matter of fact her vet marvels at the condition of her gums and the whiteness of her teeth. I should also mention that I rotate foods and also feed raw.

  • jean_e_lane

    I find that dry kibble doesn’t do anything for teeth. It all depends on the dog. I think dry kibble would stick to the teeth as it has more grain. Don’t you find that when you eat dry food, it sticks to your teeth more than moist food?

    My dogs don’t really chew their food, even kibble, so for them it doesn’t matter. If you are really concerned about teeth, buy a doggie toothbrush and use it once a week or so.

  • chrispy

    I like the brand, as I am now using it for my 14 year old pit bull. My only comment/question is that I know it’s good to give a little dry kibbles to the dogs, as it helps clean their teeth. Since this is more of a wet food, I feel that my dogs teeth aren’t as clean.

  • Caroline Capobianco

    Exactly as dchassett said. The order on the ingredients label. Also if you look and smell them, Force seems to have more white potato (in my opinion).

  • Chgd

    Shawna I am on my knees I meed some peas bh

  • Chgd

    Shawna I am on my knees I meed some peas

  • Chfh

    The 1 st amendment right is only known for a clone.

  • dchassett

    If you go to thehonestkitchen.com web site check on dog product and check out the ingredients list for each formula. I believe both Force and Embark list white potato as the third ingredient on this list. The lower the item on the ingredient list, in theory, should give you an idea of how much any ingredient has. My one dog is allergic to white potatoes, grains, soy, all poultry, corn, etc. She really does very well on Zeal. She used to be a very yeasty dog but since the switch to raw and honest kitchen zeal she’s been doing very well. Unfortunately Zeal is their most expensive formula but when you have a dog with allergies, intolerances or other illnesses it’s always a balancing act as to what is more costly, the food or the vet. My dog, Katie, used to practically live at the vet. It was like her home away from home. Now she only visits for her yearly blood work up. Good Luck. It’s always trial and error as I’m sure your already aware.

  • lilpaws

    how do you tell on the potato content

  • Caroline Capobianco

    If you’re concerned about white potato, I would not use Force. It it heavy on the white potato. Embark has some but not a lot in my opinion. I feed Embark and Love. There’s too much sweet potato in Zeal for my dog. It causes a yeast outbreak in his ears and feet.

  • Ch

    Hondog is very young with a sharp tongue

  • Ch

    Shawnna is a liar liar pants on fire

  • Ch

    Honddogg forced raw diet now she is quiet afyer dogs got sick bc she is a dik

  • Ch

    Inkemar is mean thays not keen

  • Charles

    Shawnaz is a liar liar pants on fire

  • Charles

    Houndog is very ypung woth a sharp tonge

  • lilpaws

    force and embark

  • dchassett

    Check out their site. Not all their formulas contain white potatoes. Which formula have you been feeding your dogs? I feed mine Zeal and also Preference as a base and add raw proteins. Neither of which contain white potatoes.

  • lilpaws

    i love their product but now im wondering… she said alot of kidney failure is linked to the glcimic levels in potatoes …sweet pot r gr8 not white once they started doing away with rice,,potatoes were another cheap filler and that because the food is so expensive we think were feeding a gr8 food and they just cant all of a sudden just change all their ingredients.. She doesnt try to make me convert she just is trying to make me aware now im sooo sooo confused need some expert advice!!!!

  • InkedMarie

    I’ve never heard that. I’ve been feeding THK for eight years, always will. Plenty of foods have potatoes.

  • lilpaws

    i have a very deep concern about honest kitchen i have been feeding the product to my 3 dogs for 4 years recently i went to into a pet store and she asked me what i was feeding my dogs i told her and she basically in a nutshell told me ) because they put white potatoes in their food and eventually it will shut down their kidneys is this a true fact that WHITE POTATOES R NOT GOOD FOR DOGS? i wrote honest kitchen and of course they said it was fine they feed their own dogs their product they have great reviews but she said this has just recently been proven that potatoes in dog food except iif its sweet potatoes white potatoes will hurt your furry friend please help me…. scared pet owner …..

  • Angela

    This is a very interesting conversation… I feed my Shih Tzu THK Preference with a Nature’s Variety Instant raw meet medallion twice a day and he does very well with this combo. However, with winter coming I wanted to cut down on the raw meet since his activity is much less this time of the year and switched to THK Zeal. Within 2 weeks he developed a rash starting on his chest and then in his armpits and then just spread throughout his body. The Zeal was the only new item so I switched back to his combo meals and with some meds his skin cleared up and all is good now. I never thought of the sweet potatoes being an issue but rather I was focusing on the 3 fish that THK uses in Zeal. He’s fine with salmon and cold water fish oils but the fish in Zeal are questionable for me. Anyway, I did recently pick up a bag of Primal beef nuggets and compared that to the NVI beef that I feed him and they are very similar, not exact but similar. Looking forward to trying it.

  • Guest

    This is a very interesting conversation… I feed my Shih Tzu THK Preference with a Nature’s Variety Instant raw meet medallion twice a day and he does very well with this combo. However, with winter coming I wanted to cut down on the raw meet since his activity is much less this time of the year and switched to THK Zeal. Within 2 weeks he developed a rash starting on his chest and then in his armpits and then just spread throughout his body. The Zeal was the only new item so I switched back to his combo meals and with some meds his skin cleared up and all is good now. I never thought of the sweet potatoes being an issue but rather I was focusing on the 3 fish that THK uses in Zeal. He’s fine with salmon and cold water fish oils but the fish in Zeal are questionable for me. Anyway, I did recently pick up a bag of Primal beef nuggets and compared that to the NVI beef that I feed him and they are very similar, not exact but similar. Looking forward to trying it.

  • InkedMarie

    Congrats on the new life!

  • Caroline Capobianco

    Embark does have white potato in it. White potato doesn’t seem to bother him like sweet potato does though…weird. Poor Boone. But if it doesn’t work it doesn’t work, no matter how much we’d like it to. I may end up giving the Zeal to my sister. Max still isn’t completely back to normal and I’m not sure I want to aggravate anything by giving him Zeal again just because I want to use it.

    I just moved two hours north for a new job. I’m hoping to set up a consult with a holistic vet for Max some time next month. :) Very excited. There were no holistic vets near me before.

  • InkedMarie

    Hi Caroline, is Embark white potato? I had a phone consult with my holistic vet today, no more THK for Boone.

  • InkedMarie

    You won’t know til you try. I’ve only had one dog in the many who have eaten THK get recurrent uti’s.

  • Caroline Capobianco

    No problem. You can mix the freeze-dried Primal with THK. That’s essentially what I was doing but I used the frozen raw instead of the freeze-dried because it was much cheaper. I didn’t like the lower protein formulas either. I would definitely add primal to them.

  • Kristy

    Sorry for the typos!! Damn iPhones :)

  • Kristy

    Thanks, Caroline for RBT thorough response! I have multiple dogs and they love THK Force and they LoVE Primal! I generally mix with kibble because it’s not cost effective to feed multiple dogs a commercial raw. However, I would like to get them off of kibble. I question the lower protein in THK… But I was thinking that maybe I could mix THK with freeze-dried Primal. Any thoughts?

    Thanks!

  • Caroline Capobianco

    Hi Marie-

    I just wanted to give you an update. I stopped feeding Zeal almost 3 weeks ago and Max’s yeasty feet and ears has improved significantly. I switched him back to Embark. I guess he can’t have too much sweet potato for so many days in a raw. I think I’m going to use the Zeal sporadically until it’s gone.

  • Caroline Capobianco

    Hi Kristy-

    I LOVE both and feed both. They are very different products though. Primal is a commercial raw frozen product whereas THK is a dehydrated raw product. Some people relate TKH to canned because it’s like feeding a moist food. I feed it in place of kibble.

    I started off with the Primal complete formulas but then moved to using the grinds mostly (just meat/organs and bone). I was adding the Primal grinds to THK complete formulas (Embark, Love) to add protein and get the benefit of true raw with organ meat and bone. I’m still using THK but haven’t bought Primal in awhile. I’ve been making my own homemade raw to add to the THK.

  • dchassett

    Hi Marie. Sorry I’m so late to this conversation. I have Zeal in my rotation for my Maltese, Yorkipoo and Maltipoo. Would it be okay to keep in rotation or is it too dicey and just drop from rotation? I certainly don’t want my girls to have uti issues. One is 14 years old, the other two are 4 and 4 1/2.

  • Kristy

    Hi Caroline-

    I saw that you also enthusiastically posted on the review site for Primal. Did you switch from Primal to THK or do you feed both? Do you have a preference?

  • percysowner

    They respond to emails as well. I had a question and emailed them and they got back to me within 2 working days.

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    Another pug rescue gal I know ended up using human Cystex for a persistent UTI in her pug. She rescues all the old and sick ones. Use with caution. It contains salicylic acid.

  • Pattyvaughn

    Over time you may cure that UTI with cranberry. If conditions in the bladder are not right for the bacteria, they will die off. That is a cure.

  • Judith Dieter

    Sandy, thanks for these helpful comments. I have a 10 1/2 yr old large breed girl who’s ph has to be controlled with cranberry/d-mannose. She popped up with an antibiotic resistant uti last year (mild–as in slightly abnormal bacterial count via cystocentsis). After sending out for a antibacterial sensitivity culture our vet had nothing else to treat with so we give her high doses of cranberry and she’s shown no signs since. Of course we didn’t “cure” a uti with cranberry capsules, but the cranberry that ends up in her bladder is keeping the bacteria from attaching and making matters worse.
    You seem so on top of nutrition and supplements, I’ve clicked to “follow” you. Keep putting out great info. Thanks again!

  • Daniel

    Well I’m a little disappointed to learn that the ash ranges from 6% to 9% for THK. The rep would not give me specific levels (which was annoying), but did say that Keen and Verve are around 6% ash. Too bad they have such low protein. I’m guessing the 9% foods are the grain frees which are what I like to feed my dachshund. I feel that is just too high for the protein and carb level in the foods.

  • Daniel

    I really dislike talking on the phone, it gives me anxiety, lol. But If I don’t hear from them in a few days I may just do it anyway.

  • Betsy Greer

    Hi Daniel,

    I don’t have the information you’re asking about, but I wondered…, have you ever called them to ask? THK is very responsive to questions. I’ve called and emailed them both and gotten very quick responses each time!

  • Daniel

    Does anyone know the ash content of these foods? I emailed HK two days ago asking for the ash levels and still haven’t heard from them.

  • tonia

    I like adding to dry and this is great because you can just get want you need when a can is too much. It’s perfect!

  • Hound Dog Mom

    I’m pumped they’re coming out with new pre-mixes! I hope the one with grains has something like quinoa or millet then I’ll give that one a go too.

  • Betsy Greer

    I took the THK survey to choose names for the new products. There’s not a lot of info yet. Daniel posted it above regarding the new complete food with duck and ancient grains like millet and buckwheat. The other two formulas are pre-mixes, one with ancient grains and the other with vegetables only. It sounds as though the release date for the new products is to be determined, but they’re set for release this summer.

    Here’s a link to the survey:

    http://survey.constantcontact.com/survey/a07e8sonbbyhqflmopw/a01fahqgro2je/greeting.

    You can also find the survey on this page of the THK site about half way down the page in the blue box entitled “Social Activity.”

    http://www.thehonestkitchen.com/stay-connected

  • Caroline Capobianco

    Hi Daniel. I am very excited about the new formulas. I want to try them all! Buckwheat is actually very misleading because it is not related to wheat at all. It is gluten-free like Betsy said and it is low on the glycemic index. Japanese soba noodles are made out of buckwheat flour.

  • Betsy Greer

    Hi Daniel,

    Thanks for the heads up about this! I’m definitely going to check it out also.

    I love the idea of buckwheat, which is actually a gluten free fruit seed and not a cereal grain as its name would have you think.

  • Daniel

    that’s why I use Keen, too. For larger dogs, the other formulas are super pricy! I’m feeding four dogs, 3 small and one boxer. Boxer gets keen in the morning and nature’s logic in the afternoon.

  • Daniel

    did anyone see the survey posted on THK’s Facebook today? I guess they are coming out with three new formulas. One complete, and two base mixes like Preference. Supposedly the complete formula is Duck with millet and buckwheat…I’m interested to see what is actually in this food. I really like THK for my dogs and I’m glad to see millet instead of oats. Dunno about buckwheat though, can anyone enlighten me?

  • Caroline Capobianco

    Unfortunately I have none left, just Zeal. Yesterday I made my own raw and my own veggie mix. I’m going to feed that for awhile and see if it gets better. The veggie mix I made has no starchy vegetables in it, just carrots, celery, cucumber, zucchini, asparagus, banana, cilantro, and basil.

    Max has never had issues with sweet potato before, but I think this is the first time he has ate so much for a prolonged period. I usually switch off and feed another formula in between but I ran out and haven’t gotten around to getting any yet.

  • InkedMarie

    Aww crap. Could be. Do you have any Embark left? If yes, maybe do 1/4 Zeal to 3/4 Embark.

    Boone ate Embark, off & on for years. Zeal came not too long before his ears started back up. Now you’ve got me thinking.

  • Caroline Capobianco

    So I’ve been feeding Zeal for a little over a week now and have noticed that the yeast on Max’s rear paws has exploded. Between his toes is pink and the underside of his paw is pink with brown splotches of yeast (smells yeasty too). It’s on his front paws too but not as much as the rear. I didn’t think that it was because of the Zeal but it is the only thing that I have changed recently. Do you think it could be the high amount of sweet potatoes in Zeal? He didn’t have this problem when eating Embark and Love.

  • Pattyvaughn

    I think I googled “high histamine foods” and found the website for the Mastocytosis Society. That should answer some of your questions.

  • InkedMarie

    I don’t know anything about mast cells, cancer etc, which is why I suggested you contact them. They’re closed on the weekend but if you are on FB, “like” their page and ask there, someone seems to monitor that even on weekends. They’re wonderful to work with.

  • Chrissy

    InkedMarie- I like the looks of the three you use as well. The only one I am trying to figure out is if I can give the fish based formula to our little one with the mast cells? That entire concept was very confusing for us…she had them all removed and biopsied as of now, but still if fish is high on histamine list and could potentially trigger something I would not want to risk that. I like the way Love, Embark and Zeal look for our crew – just have to figure out the fishy thing. Thank you for all of the help! I appreciate any and all of the advice! <3 Chrissy

  • Chrissy

    Hi Pattyvaughn – it is listed, but it is not listed as a grain free option…I will let him know that. I was just curious if I was reading it correctly. I appreciate all of these reviews – they are so helpful – not only that, but all of the people on here to help me too! It is just a blessing to have access to this. I cannot thank everyone enough! <3 Chrissy

  • Pattyvaughn

    At the bottom of the page is a “contact us” spot. You should let Dr Mike know that Embark is not on the list. He’ll need to add the right tag to it. He really appreciates the heads up.

  • InkedMarie

    Yes, it is grainfree, it’s one of my favorites. Love is grainfree beef and Zeal is grainfree fish. I’ve used Love a few times & Zeal a lot. Force is grainfree chicken but IMO, too low in protein.

  • Chrissy

    InkedMarie-
    Thank you very much! I appreciate the advice. I was looking on here and saw that Embark is not listed as grain free, but thought when I just went to their website – they have it listed as grain free. Will have to double check…is embark a grain free food? Thank you so much!
    Chrissy

  • InkedMarie

    Hi Chrissy, I’m a big THK fan but I don’t have dogs with your issues. Reach out to THK, they’re wonderful to work with. Look at their website. There is a lot of info there. Good luck!

  • Chrissy

    Hello! I posted on the Holistic Select site and now I am on here…just wondering if this food would be appropriate for our little one who has severe orthopedic conditions, just finished chemo, had soft palate surgery, sacules removed, and nasal holes widened and then when having her 4 mast cell tumors removed had to have more surgery on her throat (more tissue removed, more sacules cleaned up and removed) and was then diagnosed with laryngeal collapse-we found out her tumors were all grade one, except the one on her ankle bone – that was stage 2. We read a lot about mast cells and just get so confused. We have read where fish based diets (which is all we fed her prior to the tumors, due to her orthopedic conditions) have a lot of histamines and can impact mast cells – just get confused, because then it talks of the importance of giving fish oils? Anyways, we were thinking of also feeding The Honest Kitchen to her as well. We have heard many great things and just wanted to see what everyone on here thought about that – or any advice would be wonderful! Thank you so much! I GREATLY appreciate everything!
    Chrissy

  • Pattyvaughn

    It’s not a comment about other peoples OT comments forum either, but people keep on insisting on taking up space doing it.

  • Becky

    Hey, everyone, this is SUPPOSED to be about dog food. This is not a coffee chat forum.

  • Caroline Capobianco

    LOL! Not really, sorry I couldn’t take that box of Zeal off Marie’s hands.

  • Crazy4cats

    You’re sorry that you are in sunny South Florida? Bummer! LOL!

  • Caroline Capobianco

    :) LOL! Yes, Patty and I only live about an hour apart. There’s one county in between us.

  • InkedMarie

    Ok well now I hate you as well as a Patty. She bragged about kayaking whie we were below zero in a snowstorm. Kidding of course. Mostly :)

  • Caroline Capobianco

    Hey Marie, sorry I am in sunny South Florida.

  • InkedMarie

    You aren’t in New England, are you? If yes,I have a box of zeal I’ll sell to you cheap!

  • InkedMarie

    You’d probably be gets to sign up for their Consierge program, which replaced their frequent buyer program. You get a discount, you choose how often to get it and free shipping over $95, I believe. I was on it for Zeal, I got treats too & got a discount on them. They keep tract of your purchases so you get your freebies.

  • Caroline Capobianco

    I feed my Dane Embark, Love, and Zeal. I wish he would eat Thrive too but he doesn’t like it. I have searched for other dehydrated foods to rotate with THK and haven’t really found any that compare. I tried NRG Maxim Chicken (NRG is a Canadian company). It worked pretty well for Max but it’s even more expensive than THK. However, it doesn’t have white potato in it which is a big plus. THK announced on FB awhile back that they were coming out with new products this year- another pre-mix like Preference and at least one food that is potato-free I think.

  • Peridot48

    Thanks for the reminder about the sale price. Do you mind sharing which THK you feed to your Dane? Thanks.

  • Peridot48

    I can’t answer the why but will back you on the doubling of poop. My two Great Danes have doubled their quantity of poop and the frequency of needing to eliminate. But the upside is they both have no more anal impact and coats look beautiful. It’ s costing a leg an arm though. Even with the coupon discounts (which I think THK really did their customers a disservice by making the retailer do the rebates), it is a very happy food for Ella and Jack. It completely stopped the loose stools that were ALWAYS occurring with Nutro Natural Choice and then Precise Holistic. Just sharing.

  • Pattyvaughn

    I’m not a fan of coffee, but I’m a fan of flavors and cream and sugar. I tell everyone that I like a little coffee with my cream and sugar.

  • InkedMarie

    Naw, I just went to the website to see.

  • InkedMarie

    I love cream but it doesn’t love me.

  • InkedMarie

    My fave is Timothy’s donut shop blend. Keurig.com is the only place I know that has it.

  • InkedMarie

    I will send you pumpkin spice, if you’re ok with me having your address. Steve brought some home & I already had some. Email me at Marie22ecw@ aol.com.

    If anyone else wants some, let me know!

  • Crazy4cats

    I love pumpkin spice! You are going to cost me more money, aren’t you? Gonna have to get a second job to afford all the “neat” things I’ve been introduced to on this site. For my pets and myself!

  • Betsy Greer

    I always have fun cream on hand for company. If you haven’t already, try Coldstone sweet cream. I’m not a cream person, but YUM!!

  • Crazy4cats

    Good to know. I’ll check it out. You are the online queen!

  • Jan_Mom2Cavs

    Powdered creamer for me only. I have some pumpkin spice and I think it’s fine….but I’m not really a fan of flavored coffees, unless it’s a latte or cappuccino lol.

  • InkedMarie

    sugar and powdered creamer here. Any of you like pumpkin spice?

  • InkedMarie

    Keurig.com is having a sale right now

  • Jan_Mom2Cavs

    Yeah, I love it. I take mine with cream, no sugar.

  • Betsy Greer

    I like light roasts, breakfast blends; and, I like it black – no cream, no sugar – so it has to be perfect. I’m still grieving my GJ Special Blend. You’ll have better luck with a Keurig, if your preference is for medium or darker roasts.

  • Jan_Mom2Cavs

    Hmm…I’ve never had Gloria Jean coffee, but I do have some favorites I use in the Keurig. Paul Newman’s, Tully’s Hawaiian and Starbuck’s Breakfast. I tend to like medium roasts.

  • InkedMarie

    Make sure you register your Keurig. If there is a problem, they’ll help you fix it or get you a new brewer. I buy direct from them quite often, when they have sales. I believe you’ll get on the email list by registering but sign up on the website anyway.

    Another good place to order is BigCatCoffee.com. ( if that doesn’t work,just google)

  • Betsy Greer

    I loved mine too, until the Gloria Jean’s Special Blend K-Cups were discontinued. I could never find another I liked anywhere nearly as much so I gave mine to my parents who rarely ever use it.

  • Jan_Mom2Cavs

    Off topic, I know, but I just had to say that we got our Keurig about 2 years ago and wonder what we ever did without it LOL! Love it!

  • Crazy4cats

    We got a Keurig for Christmas. I can use that for hot water also. It’s pretty fun, but the k cups Are pretty pricey for multiple coffe drinkers in our household.

  • Betsy Greer

    I drink a lot of hot tea and that thing is one of the best investments I’ve ever made! I use it constantly. It’s amazing how often you need a shot of hot water!

  • Crazy4cats

    I had to look up zojirushi. I learn something new everyday on this site. Lol!

  • Betsy Greer

    Me too Caroline!

    Mine both love Zeal! I find it a little too soupy on its own, but I love to use it as a topper. Plus, it ships so much better than cans. I’ve thrown away as many as 3/4 of the cans in an order before that were too damaged in shipping. I keep my THK in a hermetic jar on the kitchen counter. A shot of hot water from the Zojirushi is all I need to add and it makes a nice warm meal after a romp in the snow.

  • Caroline Capobianco

    I just got my first box of Zeal yesterday. I fed it to Max for dinner last night and breakfast this morning. He LOVES it! He was drooling this morning watching me put his food together. The best part is it doesn’t smell like fish at all! It smells a lot like Preference to me- green and herby. I love that it is high protein and low fat. It will help balance out the fattier raw foods I add like duck and lamb. I couldn’t be happier I finally tried Zeal. I will definitely continue to buy it.

  • InkedMarie

    I admit to being quite bummed. I love THK, will always feed it. This dog of mine, the sheltie in my picture, has no teeth. She can eat dry but I’d rather she not have it and wet is better anyway, especially since she’s had uti’s. I’d prefer she have THK but if my vet is right & she got uti’s on it, then it’s canned for her.

  • Jennifer

    That’s okay! Any info is helpful.

  • InkedMarie

    I should have kept reading! My vet didn’t say anything about crystals, just the uti my gal had

  • InkedMarie

    Just going to mention this. I’ve fed THK for 8 yrs. a dog we adopted last January got two almost back to back uti’s. My holistic vet said that she has had dogs, her own included, who got uti’s on THK. I took this dog off & knock on wood, no more issues.

  • Jennifer

    I forgot to add, my vet was very adamant that THK was a strong contender for the cause. He said it’s super rich in minerals and that can lead to crystal formation. But everything I’m reading doesn’t state that. Ughh.

  • Jennifer

    Sandy, thank you! I appreciate all of your info. She had a ph of 7.6. I think he said it was acidic but I’m not sure. She was diagnosed with struvite(?) crystals and the vet said she had elevated protein in her urine as well. He saw no infection. He rxed rimmadyl for inflammation. She does whimper when trying to urinate. That started this am, which is why I had her seen I don’t think she has ever had a uti. I will search online and join a message board breed specific. I’m reading a lot about crystals and I’m finding that she has the less severe type, that’s one silver lining,

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    What is her pH? Alkaline or acidic? If she’s not prone to UTI’s and she’s too alkaline, I would say to add something acidic to her meals like apple cidar vinegar, vitamin C (which one of the vets in the office suggested), cranberry/D-mannose supplement or Wysong pH-. I have two males who are on the alkaline side with some crystals for close to a year. They don’t get UTI’s or have any kind of symptoms so I treat mine with d-mannose, Mercola Bladder Health and alternate with Wysong pH- and my vet knows that. They see her every 6 months and I have urine test strips at home. Urine crystals are undesirable but not necessarily detrimental. A UTI-prone dog is more likely to develop stones when there is bacteria present (during a UTI). You might try finding a holistic vet and get a second opinion. Some of them even do phone consultations. ahvma.org is the holistic vet site. You might also join a dog forum, or a breed specific forum for more experiences from other dog owners and some of them might have suggestions on vets in your area. I’m not a vet. Just a dog owner. Good luck!!

  • Jennifer

    I need some help!! My two year old chihuahua had been on The Honest Kitchen Love and Embark for over a year now and was just diagnosed with urine crystals. The vet wants to put her on Royal Canin S/O. I know from the info here that this is not a good food. Anyone know a much better choice of food for preventing the formation of crystals in urine? Much appreciated!

  • Ocelot1

    LOVE THK for my small poodle mix. Her coat and skin is so much healthier and she lost weight so she’s at a healthy weight for her size now. Her stools became smaller and less when I switched her over to THK from Acana. She absolutely loves the stuff and gets super excited to eat not whereas before she would knock the bowl over sometimes and not eat. I rotate between the trial boxes to give her variety. It seems like her favorite is Keen as she licks the bowl clean. With the other flavors she’ll leave a bit of crumbs.

  • Paula Brenner McCafferty

    LOL She probably would. She loves to be pushed in a stroller.
    Great picture.

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  • tonia

    Got it. The ingredients looked so good didn’t get 4 stars. I haven’t been able to make sense of protein counts yet. Been focused on ingredients and kal. It’s mind boggling wish I had found this site years ago (:

  • tonia

    Ah I didn’t think of that, makes sense. Be nice if they’d say comparable to X cans for the ding songs like me.. guess if they love it that would just be an add it treat.

  • InkedMarie

    Its a 4 star rated food here, which I don’t really agree with, only because the protein is so low (21%). I prefer grain free myself but don’t feed the Force, grain free but too low in protein for my liking (24%). My go to is Embark.

  • Pattyvaughn

    It is more comparable to 40 lbs of canned dog food. It’s 40 lbs with water. Two of my dogs would need a pound a day.

  • tonia

    So wow just looked on web site under how long will box last.. holy cow.. why does something that says it makes 40lbs of dogs food not last nearly as long as a 40lb bag of dry food?? Am I missing something..

  • tonia

    Haven’t read anyone mention using keen, would that one still considered superior? It has a much better price point than the others. Order the sample bundle to see what my kids think, comes with keen and embark but embark cost quite a bit more. Starting to experiment with rotational but embark is a little out of my price range.

  • InkedMarie

    Lol, great picture!

  • losul

    Brutus wants to know if Lillie likes to swing.

    http://doblelol.com/thumbs/funny-dachshund-pictures_4522008913510706.jpg

  • Caroline Capobianco

    My dog doesn’t have more frequent stool. I feed him half THK and half raw and he only poops once a day.

  • Crazy4cats

    Great idea!

  • Pattyvaughn

    Ingredients, fiber content, and how individual dogs digest a food.

  • InkedMarie

    I can’t answer the why but just wanted to point out that not all dogs get more frequent stool.

  • Labmomlisa

    Can someone explain why a dehydrated food causes the poop production to double, while the raw frozen diet results in poop that is less, and dries up and disappears?

  • InkedMarie

    Don’t forget, it makes a great Kong stuffer (then frozen).

  • Paula Brenner McCafferty

    My dog Lillie has Mega Esophagus. I have to feed her a more liquid diet. I mix up THK and add it to her wet food then blend it. Lillie loves it and is excited to eat. I think THK is a great food.
    This is Lillie sitting in her high chair after she has eaten

  • Crazy4cats

    I received my free sample pack of The Love variety of the Honest Kitchen yesterday. I mixed it up last night and put on my dogs Victor kibble this morning. I actually was really surprised at how it looked and smelled. It was green and smelled more like herbs than meat. My boys, however ate it right up and their poops were fine this afternoon. I really liked how easy and convenient it is to use. Not adding to all the cans I recycle every week. It’s a little expensive so I’ll probably just continue using occasionally.

  • Caroline Capobianco

    I’m only feeding it to one Great Dane and it is costly. I agree it is worth the price though. You might be able to save money if you buy it direct from THK and sign up for their concierge (autoship) program. They give you a 10% discount and orders over $95 ship free. Also during the month of December they are doing a sale. You can get $10 off 7 or 10 lb boxes. I saw it on their FB page today. I’ve been buying from other places as well but I think I’m going to start buying direct from now on.