Honest Kitchen Dog Food (Dehydrated)

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Rating: ★★★★½

The Honest Kitchen Dog Food earns the Advisor’s second-highest tier rating of 4.5 stars.

Excluding the premix (Preference), The Honest Kitchen product line includes seven dehydrated dog foods, four claimed to meet AAFCO nutrient profiles for adult maintenance and three for all life stages (Thrive, Embark and Love).

The following is a list of recipes available at the time of this review.

  • Honest Kitchen Keen (4 stars)
  • Honest Kitchen Zeal* (5 stars)
  • Honest Kitchen Verve (4 stars)
  • Honest Kitchen Love* (5 stars)
  • Honest Kitchen Force* (4 stars)
  • Honest Kitchen Embark* (5 stars)
  • Honest Kitchen Thrive* (4.5 stars)

* Grain-free

The Honest Kitchen Embark was selected to represent the other products in the line for this review.

Honest Kitchen Embark

Dehydrated Dog Food

Estimated Dry Matter Nutrient Content

Protein = 32% | Fat = 20% | Carbs = 41%

Ingredients: Turkey, organic flaxseed, potatoes, celery, spinach, carrots, organic coconut, apples, organic kelp, eggs, bananas, cranberries, rosemary extract, tricalcium phosphate, choline chloride, zinc amino acid chelate, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, potassium iodide, potassium chloride, iron amino acid chelate, copper amino acid chelate

Fiber (estimated dry matter content) = 10.4%

Red items when present indicate controversial ingredients

Estimated Nutrient Content
MethodProteinFatCarbs
Guaranteed Analysis29%18%NA
Dry Matter Basis32%20%41%
Calorie Weighted Basis26%40%34%

The first ingredient in this dog food is turkey. Turkey is considered “the clean combination of flesh and skin… derived from the parts or whole carcasses of turkey”.1

Turkey is naturally rich in the ten essential amino acids required by a dog to sustain life.

The second ingredient is flaxseed, one of the best plant sources of healthy omega-3 fatty acids. Provided they’ve first been ground into a meal, flax seeds are also rich in soluble fiber.

However, flaxseed contains about 19% protein, a factor that must be considered when judging the actual meat content of this dog food.

The third ingredient includes potato. Potatoes can be considered a gluten-free source of digestible carbohydrates. Yet with the exception of perhaps their caloric content, potatoes are of only modest nutritional value to a dog.

The next three items include a series of nutrient-rich vegetables

  • Celery
  • Spinach
  • Carrots

The seventh ingredient is coconut. Depending upon the quality of the raw material, coconut is rich in medium chain fatty acids.

Coconut has been reported to have a beneficial effect on a dog’s skin and coat, improve digestion, and reduce allergic reactions.2

The eighth ingredient is apple, a nutrient-rich fruit that’s also high in fiber.

From here, the list goes on to include a number of other items.

But to be realistic, ingredients located this far down the list (other than nutritional supplements) are not likely to affect the overall rating of this product.

With one notable exceptions

This food also contains chelated minerals, minerals that have been chemically attached to protein. This makes them easier to absorb. Chelated minerals are usually found in better dog foods.

The Honest Kitchen Dog Food
The Bottom Line

Before we conclude, it’s worth noting The Honest Kitchen has taken the rather unusual step of applying for (and actually receiving) FDA approval to label its pet foods human grade.

The company only uses human-edible components and produces all its products in a human food manufacturing facility.

Since this recipe also contains a number of organic ingredients, we feel compelled to grant this line a more favorable status as we consider its final rating.

That’s because organic ingredients must comply with notably more stringent government standards — standards which significantly restrict the use of any synthetic pesticides, herbicides, insecticides, hormones or antibiotics.

So, judging by its ingredients alone, the Honest Kitchen appears to be a superior dog food.

But ingredient quality by itself cannot tell the whole story. We still need to estimate the product’s meat content before determining a final rating.

The dashboard displays a dry matter protein reading of 32%, a fat level of 20% and estimated carbohydrates of about 41%.

As a group, the brand features an average protein content of 29% and a mean fat level of 16%. Together, these figures suggest a carbohydrate content of 47% for the overall product line.

And a fat-to-protein ratio of about 55%.

Above-average protein. Near-average fat. And near-average carbs when compared to a typical dry dog food.

Even when you consider the slight protein-boosting effect of the flaxseed, this looks like the profile of a dehydrated dog food containing a notable amount of meat.

Bottom line?

The Honest Kitchen is a plant-based dehydrated dog food using a notable amount of named meats as its main source of animal protein, thus earning the brand 4.5 stars.

Highly recommended.

Please note certain recipes are sometimes given a higher or lower rating based upon our estimate of their total meat content.

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Notes and Updates

07/19/2014 Last Update

  1. Adapted by the Dog Food Advisor and based upon the official definition for chicken published by the Association of American Feed Control Officials, Official Publication, 2008 Edition
  2. Dr. Bruce Fife, Healthy Ways Newsletter, Vol 4:3
  • Hater & Molly’s Mom

    I’m going to try the beef first.

  • Bobby dog

    I have mixed THK with kibble as well. Bobby liked the beef recipe the best.
    I still have a few boxes and unfortunately, Bobby doesn’t care for it anymore. I have been making treats out of what I have left and they are a big hit with him.

  • Crazy4cats

    Yes, imo, it is fine to mix with kibble. I am feeding the higher protein beef flavor to my dogs with kibble a few days a week. I think it is called Love, but not sure? Anyway, I put in about 3 tablespoons on top of their kibble. I believe it’s about 100 calories. Then add some water, mix and let it sit a few minutes and feed. I wouldn’t say they love it, but they definitely like the higher protein grain free flavors than the ones with grain. Their poopies are very good after I use this food though. :)

  • Hater & Molly’s Mom

    Would it be ok to mix this with kibble?

  • Valerie

    I loved all HK products until
    they changed formula back in August 2014. The fact they substituted alfa alfa
    with dehydrated pea product (lagumes) it is horrible. All base mixes and pretty
    much rest of the product lines include legumes now. Legumes are an insoluble fiber and can increase activity in
    the gut/bowel and for animals with any IBS/colitis history it could be a
    problem. Also legumes are a plant protein and I wouldn’t want to see them being
    used as only source of protein.

  • Annes4

    My two 13+ year old Cavalier King Charles Spaniels have been fed The Honest Kitchen foods for more than 10 years. My vet bills have been minimal and the dogs’ activity level has certainly remained above average for their age and breed. In addition neither of these dogs (or my two younger ones) have gotten overweight with age. I cannot praise these products enough.

  • tsippi

    I’ve been feeding my Goldie THK Preference Base Mix with cooked lamb, eggs, cooked salmon, or sometimes tofu for about two months and she is healthier than she’s been in a year. I had been cooking all her food from scratch and adding supplements, but I was never sure I was doing it properly. Then I tried BalanceIT, but she was very allergic, probably to the psyllium. Since we started the HK Preference, she is so lively! She really didn’t care for the Preference at the beginning, but after a few weeks, she got used to the smell and taste and now she licks the plate every time. I’m just so happy that she clearly feels good; I am not going to obsess over the science and chemistry of it all. One word of warning — I’ve had to start wiping Goldie’s muzzle with a wet towel after she eats. Otherwise, I end up with little green bits all over my sofa and rugs!

  • gmcbogger38

    Oh wow. I’m definitely going to look into that more. Thanks for sharing!

  • Bobby dog

    There are a few threads on the forum side concerning the price point and quality of Blue Ridge Beef and also why DFA is not able to review their product. Here’s a link to a couple of the threads; there are a few more you can search for as well.

    http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/forums/topic/blue-river-beef-raw-dog-food/

    http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/forums/topic/review-a-dog-food-please/

  • gmcbogger38

    I want to feed my dogs Blue Ridge Beef because it is the cheapest raw I can purchase. I have 3 dogs and one weighs 120 pounds, so it isn’t cheap feeding raw lol. I used to feed prey model raw, but with time constraints it will be easier to use more of a pre-made raw. To make sure I absolutely don’t miss out on any vitamins and minerals my dogs need I thought about mixing the Blue Ridge Beef (muscle meat and bone) with The Honest Kitchen. Has anybody else done this? Does this sound like a decent way to feed raw?

  • Nancy Calloway

    That’s MY goal… to rotate around and give whatever works THAT DAY or that MOMENT! Thank you.

  • Melissaandcrew

    Lol..missed a word. I started with nature’s variety raw since it was easily available. To this day, at least once a week I mix a bit of dry with the raw. Last night it was straight grandma Lucy, the night before was Acana and homemade raw.

  • Nancy Calloway

    Thank you so much! Not sure WHAT you mean by “I started with the Natures” — what do you mean by “the Natures?” I am not clear on what that is. (“Natural Selections” patties of Darwins?)
    Am glad you told me that info. Calms me. Jacqueline at ANSWERS told me to go slowly and MIX the dry and raw, decreasing dry as increase the raw. Said she’d been dealing w raw for 30 yrs — has seen pancreatitis on Cold Turkey raw transition. Prefers GAS to Pancreatitis. I will use the Probiotics and the digestive enzymes. In Gratitude to you!

  • Melissaandcrew

    Every dog is different. My guys do well these days on variety, meal to meal or day to day. My dobie however, had the same issue as your GSD, and it was a year of pure hell dealing with the diarrhea, weight loss, medications etc. For her, I started with the Natures . I threw two in every dry meal, and stayed with that for a few weeks. Here we are a year later, and she eats a more limited variety then the rest, but she can rotate between several brands of dry, as well as premed raw and homemade. BTW-she never got gas from mixing the two. Good luck and let us know how it goes!

  • Nancy Calloway

    You are right about the over thinking. It is the experience I had for 2 1/2 mos at the vet, up in the night with diarrhea, the drugs, hearing the groaning due to intestinal upset, and continual puddly poops, the memory of which necessitates my desire to avoid a repeat. I’m not ruminating over the Golden. She can succeed either way. I will let you know how it goes. And thank you so much again!

  • Dori

    Hi Nancy. As you know my three girls are toy dogs. I don’t know anything about GSD so I can’t advise you on that. I can only tell you that I do not believe that there was ever a dog born with a more sensitive digestive system than Katie. She was the runt of the littler. She weighed less than two ounces at the age of 9 weeks. Her lower canines grow straight out. Had to have have upper four teeth removed so that she could continue to eat because of the way the lower canines grow. She is allergic/intolerant/sensitive to everything pretty much known to man. At the age of 8 months she had to have surgery for a level 4 luxating patella. Had I not adopted her I’m quite sure she would have been euthanized. My own son was born with hemophilia so I do not believe, nor can I contemplate, that because you are born with an infirmity, that you should be thrown away. With all that said, in the end it is your opinion, and only yours, that counts. You can ask all the questions and have all the doubts but in the end, it’s your decision that matters. Katie (allergy dog) did very well with a cold turkey approach to raw food, that’s not saying that your dog will do likewise. As I’ve said in the past to you, I think you are really over thinking raw feeding and stressing yourself out. Please let us know how it all works out.

  • Nancy Calloway

    Very interesting Dori and thank you. Cold turkey is what Darwin’s recommended. On the other hand Jaqueline at Answers with whom I have spoken 3 times now (and she is very patient) says to go very slowly WITH Kibble, 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 Raw additions while reducing the kibble and to use their goat milk. She says she’s worked with transitioning for 30 years and she definitely leans to that for a German Shepherd. They are KNOWN to have digestive issues. She thinks the slower way is better even with some gas. Says she has known cold turkey dogs to get pancreatitis (yes!) due (she thinks) to the sudden change. She has a German Shepherd herself which is about the age of mine so she knows the breed and did NOT recommend at all cold turkey for him. Maybe the breed DOES matter. With my Golden, I will start as soon as the Darwins arrives — and cold turkey — She will be fine… But my boy, the GSD ,worries me. Jacqueline says she’d much rather GAS for a week or two than Pancreatitis.
    I’m going to dose him up first for a week or two with Grain Free kibble. He’s on a Dr. Tim’s G inclusive right now and doing fine but I will move him to GF for a few weeks along with probiotics, and then start with the Answers. Have to say I AM nervous.
    I appreciate your post!

  • pat

    I feed my dogs the Healthy Dogma Petmix mixed with 2 lbs. of ground turkey instead of 1 lb. as directed and they love it. I’m sorry you had such poor customer service. As consumers we deserve to be able to ask questions as to what we are feeding our pets. Thank you for the information. I might try another food at some point…maybe the raw or maybe I will just bite the bullet and start making my own.

  • Dori

    Hi Nancy. I transitioned “cold turkey” from grain free kibble to Primal Pronto Beef. They never had an issue with the transition. No diarrhea, no constipation, etc. I don’t know if that was because they were on high end (5 star) grain free kibbles for so long before the transition or what. Good Luck with your transition. Just have patience.

  • GizmoMom

    I started feeding Healthy Dogma a few weeks ago and thought I would ask the company if their food meet the AAFCO Nutrient Profiles if mixed according to the package.

    The response I got was very rude. Something about them having to lower their quality if they wanted to meet the AAFCO profile. Incidentally AAFCO nutrient profiles refer to the bare minimum nutrients to keep cattle alive. I was told to refer to Susan Thixon – The truth about pet food.

    They did not have their food analized. According to them, their food would only accidentally be complete and balanced.

    The response came from the owner himself. Apparently, I have offended him by comparing his food to AAFCO profile.

    If you are rotating food, it should be fine in the rotation, but if you feed it as a single source of food, it might not be enough.

    My dog liked the food though, but he likes any premix food mixed with ground meat, THK Preference, Grandma Lucy, etc.

    I will probably not buy them anymore after being treated like an idiot.

  • Nancy Calloway

    Just curious: When you transitioned your dogs to RAW, did you go COLD TURKEY to Raw or did you mix it with the kibble while reducing kibble as you increased Raw?
    I am curious. One of the Darwin’s reps called me 2 days ago to respond to that Q. SHE SAYS definitely go COLD TURKEY! Said mixing Raw w Kib often causes GAS. Then the customer calls Darwin whining about “This causes gas” when it ‘s really the combo of the two. My intro pack arrives tomorrow. she said to give probiotics days or weeks before (which I do anyway) and to START in the morning with 1/2 patty. Then adding another half at lunch — seems like I have already reported this somewhere but I do not know WHERE. (Hate repeating myself!)
    Oh, BTW the assistant to the Homeopathic vet AGREED, saying the same thing! Said use SLIPPERY ELM for diarrhea!
    Anyway, WHAT HAS BEEN YOUR EXPERIENCE? Thank you.

  • pat

    Thanks, Dori….Yes, it helps a lot.

  • Nancy Calloway

    Sounds like a good idea. Thank you so much for the info.

  • Dori

    Nancy I’ve been told by Lisa (customer service) at TH)K that they have begun producing the foods without alfalfa but until they have sold out of all the old formula (with alfalfa) they will sell that first. They will also continue to use up their old inventory of boxes which may continue to say that it contains alfalfa. My local pet store told me the same thing. They don’t keep too much stock of anything in the store because it’s a smallish store (Whole Dog Market) in the Vinings area of Atlanta but need to sell out of their stock that still continues to carry the alfalfa in it. I’m sure that this also comes from the distributors also. Even when they have sold out of all the alfalfa inclusive foods, THK told me they still need to use up their inventory of boxes. Makes sense, they’re in business to make money so they aren’t just going to throw everything out. She did tell me that if I order the Zeal which is being made without the alfalfa, once I get the box and read her the lot number she can then assure me that it is the formula without the alfalfa. They also won’t be changing the ingredient lists on they web site until all foods including alfalfa, etc. have been sold out completely.

  • Dori

    Hi Pat. The only raw food that I buy on line is Darwin’s at their website. It’s the only way that Darwins sells their food. All other commercial foods I buy for my girls are at local boutique type dog food stores in my area that I know and trust. Hope this helps.

  • pat

    Dori….where do you buy your raw foods….online or from a local pet store?

  • pat

    Nancy…Very interesting. Thank you. It’s always a good sign when they lick the bowl clean.

  • Nancy Calloway

    I’ll tell you and Dori that THK just sent me a box of quite a few samples for my Golden Retriever to try bef I spent all that money. For the record, the ZEAL has alfalfa in it but the DATE on the little packet is 2015. Interesting. Maybe they are using their old formula for these free trial packs. I fed Hannah the FORCE. It is a small amount that I mixed with 1/3 cup of warm water. I mixed it up and put in 1 cup of her Dr. Tims Kinesis instead of the regular 1 1/2 cup. She smelled it and licked the bowl cleaner than clean. She does not love the Kinesis. But boy she LIKED the supper tonight.

  • pat

    Thanks for responding, Dori. I liked the HK also until my girls refused it…very convenient. Like you, when the alfalfa is taken out, I might try it again. Thanks for the info on the other foods you feed. I might try raw foods and see how they like it if they tire of Petmix.

  • Dori

    My three girls are all on commercial raw diets and have been for a little over two years. THK, although not raw, was a good choice if I’d forgotten to defrost food for them or if I couldn’t be home at meal time so my husband could feed. Or just to add a little something ingredient wise to their menus. I do keep on hand Primal Freeze dried. Primal Raw, Darwins, and Answers Detailed are my favorite raw food companies. I also like Nature’s Variety Instinct Raw but not as much as the others. I also rotate their foods with different proteins and different brands. When THK comes out with Zeal without the alfalfa I’ll buy a small box or try samples and see how my one food intolerant girl (Katie) does. I happen to like the company so I’m hoping it works out.

  • pat

    Dori….probably a good idea to stop feeding the HK. It is possible it may have been the alfalfa that bothered my two I’m not sure. All I know is that now that I am feeding the Petmix life is different. What are you feeding them now until HK changes the ingredients?

  • Dori

    The only THK my 7 lb. Maltese likes is the Zeal. My 5 lb. Yorkipoo and 6 lb. Maltipoo also like them. BUT, none of them are picky eaters. I stopped feeding THK and awaiting their removal of alfalfa. One of my girls has an intolerance to alfalfa.

  • pat

    My 5 lb. Yorkie and 5 lb. Maltese flat out refused to eat HK Keen after eating it for several months. I began feeding PetMix and they actually beg me for it. The website is http://www.healthydogma.com and it is a homemade food that is mixed with turkey. While eating Keen my Yorkie would act like she had a painful anal gland problem and would run around in pain and come to me asking for help. I took her to the vet at least two times per month thinking it was her anal gland. The Maltese would have stomach problems every couple of days and I would have to feed chicken and rice. Both of them had big bowel movements. Since feeding Petmix there are no problems…no more vet visits, no more chicken and rice and very small bowel movements and both are happy. I noticed the Keen had what looked like straw in it and was probably the flax people on this forum are talking about and that was the culprit for our problems.I feed Petmix Mobility which has cherries for joints. It is inexpensive and very very fast shipping. Check out the comments on the healthydogma website.

  • pat

    My 5 lb. Yorkie and 5 lb. Maltese flat out refused to eat HK Keen after my feeding them for several months.

  • Dori

    Is this the new Zeal formula without the alfalfa?

  • Poodlecrazy

    Yes, I am finding the same thing. My puppy loves it though.

  • jolie

    anyone else notice with the new Zeal formula ,it does’t hydrate well? Instead of oatmeal consistency like before, it’s watery.

  • GizmoMom

    I wanted to let you know I decided not to try this food. I am concern about the side effects of marjoram.

  • Bobby dog

    Bobby will only eat Keen for two days before he shows signs of boredom with it. I have only fed it a couple of days a month as a topper since Pet Flow’s super sale. I have not had any issues with stems either, but THK is not a product I would purchase for Bobby again.

  • Crazy4cats

    Well, my dogs have decided they don’t like The Honest Kitchen’s Keen variety used as a topper. I was worried because I ordered 3 or 4 boxes during Pet Flow’s super sale a while back. Luckily someone suggested using this brand in a kong (pretty sure Inked Marie). So I did just that and froze it. They loved it that way. Go figure? I’m on second box and I have not had any issues with alfalfa stems so far.

  • Daniel

    Thanks for weighing in, aimee. I was hoping you would. I’m becoming increasingly disillusioned with THK. I (and my dog!) thank you for your posts!

  • Debra H

    Now this is a criticism that I kinda understand. Taking this to a friend who is a nutritionist.

  • Debra H

    It appears that alfalfa has been removed from all the complete dinners except for Keen Turkey. My two do not have issues with alfalfa though. but thought I would not this update.

  • aimee

    It is beyond me too!

  • Melissaandcrew

    How can both companies be so off and claim to meet aafco is beyond me.

  • aimee

    I’ve repeatedly asked GL’s for nutrient information and though it was promised many times I never received the information.

    I haven’t looked at every diet they make, but using the information from their labels of the diets I have looked at they would not meet AAFCO.

    For example their Artisan Chicken reports a max phos. of .44% with an energy density of 4112 kcal/kg

    AAFCO min phos for maintenence is currently .5% and for growth .8%, caloric density of 3500 kcal/ kg. Diets over 4000 kcals/kg must be corrected for energy density.

    Even without correcting for caloric density you can see that their max reported phos of .44% is below AAFCO min of .5% for main yet the label states for food meets AAFCO for all life stages.

    Correcting for energy density 4112/3500 x .5 = .58 % min for maintenance and .94% for growth.

    The AAFCO statement is that the diet meets growth but using the nutritional information on the label it clearly does not ,nor does it meet AAFCO current maintenance min.

    The label is illegal in many ways. It is not a food I could recommend.

    I reported Grandma Lucy’s to my state feed control official and a case has been opened on the company.

  • losul

    lol!!!!

  • Melissaandcrew

    Aimee..how do Grandma Lucy’s compare? Do their complete formulas meet aafco?

  • GizmoMom

    Thanks Dori, but the new formula of this base-min doesn’t have any potatoes, or sweet potatoes. I forgot to post the guaranteed analysis.

    http://www.thehonestkitchen.com/kindly

    Guaranteed Analysis

    Protein, 13.5%

    Fat, 10%

    Fiber, 12.8%

    Moisture, 6.2%

    370 calories per dry cup

  • aimee

    Kinda late now, but if you sent it to me I would have stirred it up for you : )

  • GizmoMom

    Thanks Caroline. I went to a local pet supply store today to pick up a box, but they don’t have the new flavors. I think I’ll order some samples from their website.

  • aimee

    I’m beginning to think that experience with customer service depends on who gets your question. The person I got kept me updated but in the end the answer was weak. He said any food containing parsley is allowed to claim helps freshen breath and it is the mechanical structure of the kibble that helps keep teeth clean . I’d have more respect for the company if they answered with a straightforward no we don’t have any head to head studies showing the diet is better helping to clean teeth and freshen breath than any other diet.

  • aimee

    I continue to have serious concerns about this company.

    It is a puzzle that they claim their diets meet AAFCO but the nutritional information THK posts clearly does not meet AAFCO. Their new diet Halcyon is no different.

    For example, THK reports that Halcyon contains .75mg/kg pantothenic acid and has an energy density 4570.18 kcals/kg. AAFCO’s min is for pantothenic acid is 10 mg/kg with an energy density of 3500 kcals/kg. As Halcyon’s energy density is over 4000 kcals/kg AAFCO requires a correction making the min pantothenic acid level needed to meet AAFCO 13 mg/kg. THK is reporting that Halcyon has less than 6% of AAFCO min. requirement yet they claim their diet meets AAFCO.

    The niacin level is reported as 2.61 mg/kg and AAFCO’s min. after correcting for energy density is 14.88 mg/kg. It is all very odd.

  • Dori

    Not Daniel, but way too many carbs for my liking. Reading the ingredients, I don’t even know how there could be that many carbs. Must be an awful lot of potatoes in this food. There are more carbs in this food then protein. Never a good thing in my opinion, but that’s just me and my dogs.

  • Caroline Capobianco

    I’m picking up a box of it on Saturday to try. I’ll let you know how it goes. I am also going to do a 2:1 ratio of meat to mix.

  • GizmoMom

    Thanks. I thought the new formulas will not have alfalfa at all.

    What do you think of it though? Too much carb? I’m planning to use 1 part of the mix with 2 parts meat.

  • Daniel

    They will be removing alfalfa from all formulas soon.

  • GizmoMom

    What do you think of the new base-mix Kindly? I thought they were going to stop using alfalfa. I still see it in the ingredient list.

    Dehydrated carrots, dehydrated organic alfalfa, organic flaxseed, dehydrated parsnips, dehydrated peas, dehydrated celery, dried organic coconut, dehydrated pumpkin, dehydrated chard, dehydrated kelp, dried marjoram, dried garlic, tricalcium phosphate, choline chloride, zinc amino acid chelate, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, potassium iodide, potassium chloride, iron amino acid chelate, copper amino acid chelate.

  • GizmoMom

    Did you ever get a reply from them?

    I emailed them around 1am today and got an email back at 4pm. (Actual reply, not the automated ones)

  • Freeholdhound

    No go here… Oats.

  • Aaron Carter

    Thanks so much for posting this. I have been trying to find a health food for my dog. I have heard that can lead to a longer life for him.

    Aaron | http://nerangstockfeed.com.au/products-and-services

  • Betsy Greer

    Grr… frustrating.

  • Dori

    Well, there go some more foods off the list that I was going to try with Katie. I suspected that she was having an issue with flax but until Betsy mentioned it in her post I hadn’t heard anyone refer to it as one of their dogs allergies. :(

  • Betsy Greer

    Thanks USA! (I always want to call you by your first name, but know I shouldn’t). : )

    I was looking at the very product you mentioned last night! Thanks so much for your recommendation.

    I’m going to eliminate the canned food and get him stabilized on plain old kibble again and then add my raw chicken grind. Once I know he’s OK again, I’ll start the Ovega-3.

    Thanks so much for your thoughtful advice!

  • USA Dog Treats

    Hi Betsy

    Start slow, only use half a softgel for at least 1 week until you can determine if it has any bad side effects.

    Don’t begin until he is otherwise stable (poop is okay, etc) Don’t start anything else or change anything else in his diet until you know how the Ovega-3 affects him.

    If everything goes well after a week you can start giving him a whole softgel daily. If he eats a softgel whole you are very lucky. Otherwise just puncture and squeeze into his food. Mix well.

    The 2 links are both for Amerifit Nutrition Ovega-3. The first is from Swansons and the second is from Vitacost.

    http://www.swansonvitamins.com/i-health-inc-ovega-3-500-mg-60-veg-sgels

    http://www.vitacost.com/amerifit-nutrition-ovega-3-500-mg-60-vegetarian-softgels

    Good Luck!!!

  • Betsy Greer

    LOL! They’re smart aren’t they! I wish my daughter learned as quickly as my dogs.

  • losul

    Sam so handsome and beautiful coloration. I think he was just showing off his pearly whites.

    It’s so hard for me to get decent pics of Turbo. I have this camera, the flash will strobe, and makes a sort of crackling noise before taking a pic in low light conditions as it tests the lighting, and then it won’t usually even take the pic anyway. One day under those same low light conditons, I was trying to get an extreme closeup of him, the flash did as described, and scared the crap out of him. Now whenever he sees me pick up or carrying the camera, he becomes wary and keeps his distance. If I even begin to aim it at him, he’s out of there, lol.

    Fingers crossed the raw chicken by itself will work for Sam.

  • Betsy Greer

    I was using Udo’s Choice DHA blend, which is a vegetarian algae derived DHA, but it also contains flax. He reacted to what I thought was the food he was eating at the same time he was getting the oil, so I stopped the oil as well. Now, I wonder if it was the flax in the Udo’s or if it was the foo which contained fish. Now that I found a food he can eat, I think I’ll stop the canned food when the MPC order arrives and try the Udo’s again.

    Ack! I shouldn’t do that! I just looked back at my notes and confirmed my recollection that he developed some pretty loose stools during that time.

    Grrr! Why can’t this be easy!?

    I really appreciate your suggestion James. Maybe what I should look for is a really simple algae oil to give him.

  • Betsy Greer

    Yes, itchy. Very itchy. Usually, he’ll start rubbing his face as soon as he finishes eating. I need to stop the canned food because that type of reaction is a little scary. He was getting so bored with just the kibble since he’s used to getting a variety and I wanted to jazz things up a bit for him.

    I have a My Pet Carnivore order coming this week and I plan to use their chicken “Supermix” as a topper. I wanted duck, but t was out of stock. Dang it. I know he can eat chicken and he doesn’t get it often because when it comes to kibble, chicken varieties usually have fish added somewhere in the recipe.

    Here’s my Sam. He doesn’t have an underbite, he’s just looking up at me.

  • USA Dog Treats

    Hi Betsy

    Have you tried omega 3’s from algae oil yet? They are very high in DHA and are good for the brain. EPA is better for inflammation and I bet soon there will be algae oil products with a higher EPA content.

    BTW, Eating the algae with Omega 3’s is why fish have Omega 3’s in the first place.

    Interesting that after eating the algae which is high in DHA and low in EPA the fish contain Omega 3’s that are higher in EPA!

  • losul

    Hi Dori,
    I haven’t known it personally to be, and I don’t know much about allergies, but I would really think it could be. It’s an oilseed, high in mostly polyunsaturated fats. It’s also a delicate, easily peroxidizing fat, which can be another concern. Whole flax seeds can be kept for a couple of years in the freezer, but once ground can go rancid quickly. It’s also very high in fiber, and then also some protein. Not many net carbs though.

  • losul

    Dang, lift you up and then let you down again. I think flax could def cause a problem for some dogs, especially in higher quantities.

    Is it an itching reaction?

  • Cyndi

    Losul just wanted an excuse to post a picture of poop! Lol! ;) “turbo turds” Lmao!!

  • Boston Belle

    It’s on FaceBook,and called “Canine Allergies(Food and Environmental)
    I just now looked at my box of the venison….no eggs! YAY! Sez……venison meat,venison blood,venison bone,venison green tripe,venison liver,broccoli, cauliflower,carrot,spinach(chard),cabbage,apple,pear,venison hearts,venison kidneys,(ooooops!) EGGS,green lipped mussel,and garlic. Hmmmm,that far down,wouldn’t be much,but…..Darn! I missed it! I wonder if their eggs would be less of a problem because their meats,etc.,are so much more chemical free than ours. Rats! This is such a good food for allergy dogs. Come on over to the site there people who make their own food,and have some recipes that are very food. Maybe that would be a solution!

  • Dori

    Thanks so much Boston Belle. I’m going to be ordering K9 Venison formula today. I’ve never heard of the Canine Allergies site. Is it canine allergies.com ? Or something else. I’d love to go on it and get see if I can get some help for Katie.

  • Betsy Greer

    Thanks James,

    I’m new to being worried about flax. Since I’ve already had to eliminate fish, now having to eliminate flax, gives me cause for concern. I’ve just started doing a bit more research recently.

  • USA Dog Treats

    Hi Betsy

    Flax contains ALA (alpha-linolenic acid) so dogs don’t have to convert flax to ALA.

  • Boston Belle

    I agree!

  • Boston Belle

    Not the only person the companies with GOOD service are catering not,either! If they can do it……

  • Boston Belle

    I had real poor customer service,as well!

  • Boston Belle

    This might totally work for my girls! Thanks for posting!

  • Boston Belle

    I’m finding it to be an awesome food! My boy is also on the venison! My two females got some issues with the higher fat content,after about a month and a half. I think it’s more to do with THEM,than the food,because I find they have to have a low fat diet. I’m an admin on an allergy site….Canine Allergies(Food and Environmental). We might be able to help you in some other ways if you’d like to join!

  • Dori

    Thx so much Boston Belle. Looks like Katie may actually br able to eat their Venison freeze dried raw formula. I don’t note any ingredients she would have a problem with. I’ll call my local store and see if he can order or I’ll order on line. I like to give my local area stores my business whenever I can.

  • Dori

    Thx Sue. I did already know the info but it’s always good to refresh my memory.

  • Betsy Greer

    Thanks for the link, Sue.

    I agree, dogs definitely need a wide variety of healthy fats. Unfortunately, dogs can’t efficiently convert flax to ALA or DHA. I had been using Udo’s Choice oil for my dog because it was vegeterian and he is fish intolerant. It wasn’t ideal, but a good second choice. Unfortunately, he reacted while he was receiving the Udo’s, so I eliminated it in favor of a “modified” elimination diet. Udo’s is flax oil based and now considering his extreme itching, face rubbing, etc. after ingesting a food with flax, I’m once again finding my options dwindling.

  • Boston Belle

    There’s a food I’ve been using,with huge success,especially for my male! It has no flax,no alfalfa,and only very high quality meat,fruits and veggies! It’s K9Naturals from New Zealand. Your store might be able to help you by ordering it,even if they don’t carry it. My “boy” has never eaten so well,looked so well,or acted so well!

  • sue66b

    Betsy & Dori here’s a link, you may already know this info, about too little Linoleic acid or too much Linoleic acid can lead to skin problems:::::just scroll down a bit to the Blue section that says “the Importance of array of fats” then read the 3th paragragh it starts by saying:: for example http://www.dogaware.com/articles/wdjlowfatdietsamples.html#rowdy

  • Betsy Greer

    Right now, I’m suspicious of flax for Sam. Shortly after eating a meal of Nature’s Variety Instinct LID Duck kibble topped with NVI LID canned, which contains flax, Sam goes crazy running his face. He scratches a lot and seems generally “uncomfortable.” He can eat the NVI LID Duck kibble on its own, and has been for about five weeks presently, with no reaction whatsoever.

    I haven’t yet linked his reaction after eating flax to the string of war infections he’s had in the past.

    Here’s some information about flax from Mayo Clinic, which I generally find as a very reliable source: http://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/flaxseed-and-flaxseed-oil/safety/hrb-20059416

  • Dori

    Sorry, forgot that you said you were feeding Embark. Is flax seed an issue with some dogs due to allergies or intolerances? I’ve never seen it listed as a high histamine ingredient but I guess anything is possible. I’m exhausted trying to find foods that Katie can eat. This list just keeps on growing. I’m at my wits end. That is if I have any wits left.

  • losul

    No alfalfa listed in the ingredients in this one, it’s mostly a majority tan color in the box, with some green flecks in it. I think I can tell it’s a pretty high level of flax seed in it though, it thickens up quickly with water. Flax seed can absorb quite a large amount of liquid quickly.

  • Dori

    Thanks Betsy. I’ll do that now while I’m still on computer.

  • Dori

    True. Actual turds from raw diet are dryer and more compact but still very good. I also don’t see any identifiable alfalfa.

  • Betsy Greer

    Check Chewy.com also, Dori. I typically find the best prices there and their customer service is outstanding.

  • Dori

    Wow! I’ll have to check that out right this minutes. Thanks Betsy. I’m curious now.

  • Dori

    Gotcha!! I would assume that it would include THK. If they’re giving free shipping over a certain price point for foods, then it should include THK. THK is technically a dry food, not kibble, but still dry as packaged and shipped. No?? Hmmmm? Interesting question.

  • Betsy Greer

    The ones I order from do. I ordered raw from wag.com one time, and the same even applied to that! Free shipping packed in dry ice, etc!

  • losul

    Dori he’s running right about 36 lbs right now. I should have said a little differently (than we are used to on his homemade raw) I agree, the size of the THK turds are nothing extraordinary, it was pretty much as I expected, not alot of difference between it and an average kibble turd.

    His usual homemade meals result in more compact, and slightly less wet, turdies.

  • Melissaandcrew

    Lol..wasn’t clear on that one. What I meant was, will the sites that give free shipping on their dry foods also give you free shipping on the THK I have seen several people post various sites with things such as “free shipping over $49″..I don’t usually order online, so Idon’t know if that is just dry food, or if they apply the free shipping to all their products.

  • losul

    Yes I realized that, and I didn’t just bring the distributor up out of the blue, you brought the distributor up in your second post with, “Especially when the answer to said ? Was call the distributor at xxxn.”

    We could go back and forth all day. I’ll just bow out after this, it’s not worth the squabble. Peace.

    To anyone else with concerns now about customer service, I would say contact them to see how they perform in that dept. and then decide for yourselves.

  • Dori

    Since I’m a raw feeder I can’t answer that question. There may be but I don’t feed dry. Too many issues with one of my girls. (would be nice in an emergency situation). On the raw sites you can sometimes get a discount by buying large quantities but I’ve never come across free shipping on any which is understandable. Shipping raw is quite costly. With the exception of Darwin’s, I buy everything else local.

  • Melissaandcrew

    isn’t there any sites that give free shipping if you buy over a certain amount, or does that just pertain to bags of dry?

  • Dori

    My issue was also the large amount of alfalfa or any alfalfa for that matter as one of my girls is highly intolerant of alfalfa. I’m hoping she’ll be okay with the flax. It never occurred to me that flax might also be an issue. Lord, I hope not since there is very little she can eat at this point.

    I also had been ordering directly from them when my local store ran out of Zeal. It’s a small store so they don’t order too much of any one protein. Zeal is the one they carry least of because it’s the most expensive. They actually charge the same amount as ordering directly from THK. Better actually since there’s no shipping charge involved and every ten items of food you buy (any brand) you get the 11th for free.

  • Melissaandcrew

    Boston Belle- I have to agree I think the alfalfa removal is a good thing. We use the products once in a while when I get lazy and have had better luck with them then then first go around trying them out.

  • Dori

    Looks pretty normal to me. I don’t recall how big a dog Turbo is so it might be the right size turds for his size. But other than that most people would be thrilled to be able to have normal poops that one can easily pick up in baggie. Good job.

  • Boston Belle

    You can also order,directly from them. We started doing that,as not only do you get the freshest boxes,but the price is a lot better. We were using the biggest box every 16 days(zeal) for a while,and ordered the case. I seriously am going to check their food out again when the change happens. My issues were with the alfalfa,not their products in general. I’m really intrigued!

  • Melissaandcrew

    Losul-I had written a huge response but deleted it. Anyone can read the original post and see that I clearly stated that I called THK, and not the distributor, and therefore my comments were very clear in who they pertained to. Commercial accounts and questions re them are VERY common place-not unusual at all. the fact remains that it took 4 attempts to get the info I needed-1 em, one call to automated land, 1 call to get someone who gave me the wrong info, and another call to get the correct info. Even if the answer to my common question was “NO”(which it was NOT) it should not take 3 days and 4 contact attempts made by the customer(not the business) to get said info. This was MY experience attempting to make contact with them, and for some reason that make you unhappy. That would NOT be MY problem.

  • Crazy4cats

    Wow! Nice Turbo turds, Losul. I’m very envious. Lol!

  • losul

    If any one interested, this a turbo turd on THK. It was one meal of his 2 daily (other one raw) and was comprised of 2/3 cup dry measured Embark topped with 2 ounces (by weight) turkey grind.

    It was larger, bulkier, and more fibrous than we are used to, but still not too bad as far as turds go. He has not been going more often, still his regular twice daily. I didn’t do any further examination.

  • losul

    Melissa,

    I don’t think I presented anything as facts. It’s the reason I asked to clarify, because it’s the way I took the information that YOU presented. You had dissatisfaction with consumer service per your likely unusual request to them via EM and later your subsequent refusal to wait a bit or leave a message for them to call you back ( I got this from what you wrote) “I did not bother as I had already sent an email”. Did you ever even consider that they might have a contract with their distributor, whereas they aren’t allowed to directly sell to the public, business or not, below retail, and that may be the reason they referred your to their distributor? If I were a distributor, or THE distributor, I would definitely want that type of clause, and it’s pretty darn common in business.

    What I saw as “painted” was what you presented, i.e. that if they treated you disastisfactorily in your eyes and your particular and
    perhaps unusual experience, then they would certainly treat ordinary, less worthy customers with even less satisfaction.

    I don’t even particularly like their products at the current time, and for my purposes, other than having apparently high quality ingredients for the ingredients that are in them, they’re too expensive, contain too much vegetation, the ability to obtain balanced diets with them is ambiguous, and I can come real close to feeding quality commercially prepared raw for the same price. I’m currently using it now, but only because Petflow ran that extraordinary deal on 4 x 2lb trial boxes for 4 bucks each. The customer service experience I had with them was when I called, I left a message and they promptly called me back within a very few minutes. The other time I Emailed on a weekend and they got back to me on Monday. I was satisfied with those prompt experiences and that one particular aspect about the company and it would NOT be a reason for me not to buy from them in the future.

    BTW, I think Aimee and some others have some legitimate complaints about the products, and THK’s apparent lack of nutrition knowledge. But it was only after Aimee contradicted your experience about responses from customer service that you changed your tune somewhat, and by then you had already given them a big black eye in the customer service dept.

  • Betsy Greer

    Hi Dori,

    I just started looking this past week, so I haven’t gotten too far. I have the added challenge of having to have fish free foods for Sam, so I ruled out a lot because of that.

    A few that I did find were Annamaet, NVI LID, Canidae Pure Sky, California Natural Large Breed Lamb Meal & Rice. Annamaet isn’t fish free, so needless to say, I want thrilled with my options.

    I’ll let you know if I find others.

  • Dori

    I spoke to someone in customer service yesterday at THK who told me that they would be going into production shortly in July with the new formulas without alfalfa but the product would more likely be available in August once the present stock has been sold. She took my email and told me she would send me an email once Zeal (only one I can use) without alfalfa would be available for purchase. I also spoke to my local boutique pet food store and he also told me he would call me as soon as it comes in. They too will wait until they have sold out their present stock. It’s a small store so they don’t really have too many alfalfa inclusive.

    I had no issues getting through to THK customer service at all. A couple of minutes if that.

  • Dori

    Hi Betsy. What foods did you find without flax if any?

  • Melissaandcrew

    Not even close Losul, There are often three categories of purchasing foods-
    1) Retail-you go buy a bag at the pet store
    2)Wholesale-how the pet stores buy it, before retail markups
    3)Bulk-All businesses with a Resale Certificate/Certificate of Authority from their given state can buy wholesale. However, some companies/distributors don’t like to sell to non retailing businesses-ie places where food will be consumed in the course of business rather than resold to some one else retail. These companies often classify kennels, training facilities, breeders etc under this category.
    Some companies sell direct to kennels removing the middle man. However, without calling and speaking to the companies customer service rep, one can not pull the info out of their butt.
    Since I have a business license, I can in fact order just about any food I wish at wholesale pricing-however, I typically do not as I rotate so frequently, I do not wish to have aging kibbles on hand that I have to store. The particular distributor they use is wonderful and I have never had problems with them. Perhaps next time you go for asking me to clarify if you are confused rather than attempting to paint my comments in such a negative light, since the “facts” presented by you are nowhere near accurate.

  • Betsy Greer

    I agree! I’m suspecting that flax is a problem for one of my dogs. He’s eating Nature’s Variety Instinct LID Duck. He ate it with no reaction, at all, finally! I bought the “matching” canned food without really paying attention to the ingredients. He started reacting and only then did I look and see that it contains flax.

    When I started looking for foods without flax, I had a very hard time finding any.

  • Boston Belle

    This is waaay better than a rumor! Here’s a pic of a form letter that’s been sent out to retailers! I didn’t have this when I first posted! Sorry it’s so small,hope it’s readable!

  • Boston Belle

    Cheaper than meat!

  • losul

    Now if they would just lower the high amount of flax seed in most formulas, and add more meat protein instead, they might be on to something

  • losul

    Melissa, let me get this straight. You contacted THK customer service attempting to get a better discount than they offer other retail customers for larger purchases. They referred you to their distributor whom doesn’t seem interested in complying with your wishes or is non-responsive, and so now you are pssed with THK customer service?

  • Ron

    Hello Daniel,
    I agree, It Looks like another carb. fest To many ingredients for my liking.

  • beaglemom

    Of course not :)

  • Melissaandcrew

    Well obviously they would never make such a claim without deep extensive studies…would they?!?!?! lol

  • Daniel

    Did anyone have the chance to check out the new formulas? Here’s Halcyon, the duck formula.

    Ingredients

    Dehydrated duck, organic oats, organic buckwheat, dehydrated peas, organic flaxseed, dehydrated potatoes, dried organic coconut, dehydrated carrots, dried parsley, dehydrated spinach, dried bananas, dried basil, chia seeds, tricalcium phosphate, choline chloride, zinc amino acid chelate, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, potassium iodide, potassium chloride, iron amino acid chelate, copper amino acid chelate.

    Guaranteed Analysis

    Protein, 24%

    Fat, 13%

    Fiber, 6.2%

    Moisture, 7%

    477 calories per dry cup

    I’m disappointed. I was hoping for higher protein and no potato. Oh well.

    The price is ridiculous. 59.99 for a 4lb box, 119.99 for 10lbs? With such a small amount of duck in it, you’d think they could make it cheaper.

  • LabsRawesome

    I think you might change your attitude, if you had a sick dog or a question that you need answered. If a company has bad customer service, I won’t waste my time buying their products.

  • Melissaandcrew

    Oh my…someone is cranky. The reality is if a business is so busy that they can not return a call or email within 24hrs then they need to hire more help or better help. Given the fact that I own and operate two businesses and yet manage to have customer calls returned within 24hrs, then yes, I expect larger companies to be able to do the same. Especially when the answer to said ? Was call the distributor at xxxn

  • Tina Massey

    get over self! you think you are only person they are catering to???

  • beaglemom

    Hmm, sounds like Purina. After three emails asking whether the company has conducted studies that show Beneful healthy smile does in deed clean teeth compared to other foods, they simply stopped responding.

  • Dori

    I’d love to see that happen. One of my girls can’t have anything containing alfalfa. It’s getting more and more difficult to find anything she can eat. Hope it’s a rumor that’s true. Thx for the heads up!

  • Melissaandcrew

    I swear, customer service these days is a forgotten art. I did just call them on the phone again, and did get a real person to help answer questions. The women I spoke with were very nice, but having to make several attempts at contact always leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. Its funny. I have two dogs that do not like GL, but love honest kitchen. I have two others that love GL but hate HK.

  • aimee

    Interesting as I have had different experiences with these companies. When I first tried to contact THK I went through their website and it wasn’t operable so I left a msg on their voice mail. Within hours they contacted me via e mail. THK has always promptly responded to my e mails ( there have been a lot) but had repeatedly failed to directly answer the questions I asked. The answers seemed a mixture of “canned” and written.

    The company gives the title of nutritionist to Lucy Postins but couldn’t answer nor understand some very basic nutritional calculations. They wanted me to consult (as I remember at a cost to me of over $100.00) with someone they recommended to answer my questions about their food!! When I said that wasn’t acceptable they wanted the name of the vet practice I go to and have a vet they consult with talk to a vet I use.

    I asked what specific question their vet had and I’d be willing to relay it but they never responded to that inquiry.

    Grandma Lucy’s initally responded promptly but again never answered my questions. They promised the information to me in one week time and after 10 days I recontacted them and again was promised the information. Eventually they just stopped responding to my subsequent e mail request. I called them and was again promised the information. I’m still waiting and it has been I think over 2 months now. Because of my concern regarding their diets I contacted the feed control official in my state and was informed the company was in violation and a case was being opened.

    My experience with THK customer support was in general positive as they did stay in contact and followed up with any information they promised to me where as GL dropped the ball.

    However both companies are very very weak in understanding very very basic nutritional knowledge. Customer service can only respond if the company understands and provides the information to them to relay back to the consumer. Neither company was able to do this.

  • Melissaandcrew

    Just wanted to throw this out there regarding customer service. I emailed Honest Kitchen on Tues, its now Friday, and except for a chain automated response letter-Nadda. I followed up with a call and was stuck in automated hell, telling me all reps were busy and I must leave a voice mail-I did not bother as I had already sent an email. In comparison, I emailed Grandma Lucy’s three hours later than Honest Kitchen, and had a response by the next day-not automated. When I followed up with a phone call to GL, I got a real live person, who answered my questions quickly and professionally. This was an email asking about bulk purchasing/accounts, not just a general ? . I would expect a company to be interested(somewhat quicker) in picking up large accounts. Its disconcerting to me that there was such a lack of customer service in obtaining accounts, that I can only imagine how long a call back or email would take if I were a private customer with a concern.

  • NotalwaysPC

    He’s lying to you. He knows psycho when he sees you coming. Adios!

  • NotalwaysPC

    Wow SueSS! Why the hostility? Have you considered meditation?
    Might help your feelings of inferiority…or maybe guilt for feeding a yorkie freaking sharp beef jerky. Read and learn. There is a reason most of us have two ears, two eyes and ONE mouth. I’m just saying…

  • USA Dog Treats

    Here’s the announcement that THK sent out to their retailers.

    “We’ve decided to remove alfalfa from our recipes this summer and want to make sure our retail partners have all the details. To help get the word out, we have posted a blog with the information for customers here and we also plan to notify them directly in our next consumer email, scheduled for July 21. While we rarely make adjustments to our formulas, we feel that removing alfalfa is best for the following reasons:

    We’ve begun process of verification with the Non-GMO Project
    for some of our recipes. Although our Alfalfa is certified organic,
    there is a concern about genetic drift, which involves the cross
    contamination of non-GMO crops with pollen from genetically modified crops.

    In addition, our customer surveys have shown that Alfalfa is increasingly an ingredient that many pets can’t tolerate, based on owner observations of sensitivities, or the results of allergy testing.

    Which recipes will be changed?

    All recipes that currently have alfalfa, including; Zeal, Force, Keen,
    Verve, Preference and our new base mix Kindly (launching this month).

    In Preference, we’re excited to replace the alfalfa with green peas,
    which are a nutritious vegetable that’s comparably rich in protein. Our peas, which are also used in a couple of our brand new recipes, are whole green peas that have been flaked to ensure easy digestion (and are not the same as pea fiber, which is used in some
    conventional pet foods). Peas are also a fabulous source of the master antioxidant and phytonutrient Glutathione, which is important for many functions in the body, including regulating immune response.

    In the other recipes where we’ve used alfalfa previously, we’re simply
    compensating for the removal by increasing the remaining ingredients proportionately, because the percentage of alfalfa in the formula was so minimal.

    When will the change take place?

    Alfalfa will no longer be used in our formulas, beginning with our July 2014 production run. Beginning August 2014, you’ll see the change noted on our boxes and our web site. Please note that some of our 1oz mini sample packets will still have alfalfa listed for a couple more months, before the transition to new packaging is made. Any Preference box that contains peas, will have peas listed on the label, without exception.

    We will take great care to make the transition in a precise and
    coordinated way. Please let us know if you have any questions on this change – we’re here to help!

    -The Honest Kitchen”

  • Boston Belle

    A “little bird just told me” that HK is going to announce it’s removing ALL alfalfa from their mixes! Preference will have peas instead,and the others will just have it removed! Couldn’t wait to share this “breaking news”! I may even try it again. Over all,my dogs did well,but the sticks were just a major deal breaker!

  • theBCnut

    I sure hope he does since he is one of the best around and I would hate for him to decide to go into some other line of work!

  • Nalu-Rufus

    That is great advice about taking time to research. Better to rely on pre-mixes while you learn all the options instead of rushing into something. Just trying new things left and right can wreak havoc on a dog’s digestion.

    Your dogs are very lucky to have you. I am so envious of that stocked freezer, you have NO idea… If I ever am fortunate enough to get out of apartment living, a deep freezer and meat grinder will be the very first purchases for my house.

    Lastly, another good raw supplement for people to take a look at is BalanceIT. Thanks for sharing all the great resources.

  • Nalu-Rufus

    THK can be a little cost-prohibitive if you have large dogs, but is a good product worth the price. I formerly home-cooked for my dog, but am now spoiled by the convenience of dehydrated. THK recently informed me they have removed alfalfa from all of their products, so that’s one less item to worry about being digested properly. Each of their formulas are pretty unique, so take some time to compare them and decide what is best for your dog. Some formulas, like Embark, have little to no “chunks” while others such as Zeal are quite “chunky.” I stick to the high-protein formulas like Zeal, Embark, and Love, since my dog is larger and very high-energy. They also offer grain-free/gluten-free formulas if that is a concern.

  • SandyandMila

    Poor man, he must really love what he does.

  • SandyandMila

    I’ve served it cold as well, after having it sit overnight in the fridge after hydration. I feel it helps, if it’s warm I’ve noticed the poops are more runny and not when it’s cold.

  • Boston Belle

    If ANYONE is OBSESSING it’s YOU! I’m not even sure why you’re on here at all,because you don’t seem to even be using this food! But YOU are the one obsessing,and harping,and berating people for a conversation everyone is FINE with,besides you! Good! Hit the road! You certainly haven’t contributed anything of merit! Looks like MY troll spray worked after all!

  • suesunswim

    I am so done here, you people are too over the freakin top. And by the way, people on these dog food boards (like the “guest” about Purina Dog food) are trolls and they just post stupid stuff, and you people fall right into it and try and bring them over to your side – dissecting and taking pictures of your dog’s poop. OH MY GOD. Who actually works and has time to do that??

    And by the way, I DO look at my dog’s poop and yes you can learn alot from it. But I don’t freakin obsess over it. If it isn’t normal, I add some pumpkin to her food and that normalizes it while I try and find another food that works for her.

    Amd by the way, I have a very happy, healthy, shiny coated Yorkie (my vet said she glistens and he has never seen a more beautiful Yorkie) that is incredibly sweet and well behaved. So I guess, instead of obsessing about her POOP, I must be doing something right.

    As I said, I am done here.

  • Boston Belle

    The first small box of Preference was fine,and I was happy to go back to HK,and use IT instead of Zeal. After opening the next box,a large one,I immediately started finding unacceptable pieces of stems. Hopefully,you will continue to have good luck,and maybe the product varies from one plant to another,and you will only get “good” boxes. But at least now you know there can be a problem,and know what to look for! When I had contacted the company,I was pretty much told I was a cult of one,and no one else had complained,or mentioned this issue. In talking to their rep,tho……she said she didn’t know why I was told that,because she had heard the same all up and down the west coast,not just my Seattle area! So, I’m not sure what the deal is,but apparently,something is amiss somewhere! LOL!

  • Shawna

    Sorry, I didn’t explain myself well. The facility that makes their foods also makes food for humans to eat. Therefore, ANY food or ingredient that comes in the building and touches their equipment MUST be human quality.

    I’ve read a few reports that USA grown alfalfa is genetically modified. Maybe alfalfa from Egypt is not.? I really don’t have an issue with the ingredients coming from reputable overseas locations as much of the human food supply is the same — bananas, grapes, coffee beans, cocoa and on and on come from outside the US. Shoot, I have to go to the farmers markets to reliably get locally grown fruits and veggies. If I purchase from the grocer the lettuce is likely from California and the apples from Wisconsin or Washington.. Yet there’s apple orchards all over here.

    I know you found large pieces of alfalfa but I don’t find those in the Preference or Love that I use. IF I do at some point find them in those products then I will re-evaluate.

    Edit — if you think about the below quoted statement, getting parsley from Egypt doesn’t sound so off base (as unfortunate as it all is). “USDA to Allow Chickens From U.S. to Be Shipped to China for Processing and Back to U.S. for Consumption, Just Like Seafood” http://ecowatch.com/2014/03/05/usda-chickens-shipped-china/

  • Heather Melick

    Everyone has their own ideas about what “going nuts” means…In this case, since Boston Belle is on a dog food forum, discussing the effects of a particular dog food, this case– Honest Kitchen– on her dog — she has every right to post as she wishes. She is on topic. Picking on someone because they are concerned about how the food is being processed by their dog is pointless and OFF TOPIC. And it’s very easy to judge someone when you’ve never gone through what they have gone through. It’s just as easy for you to move on from this topic as it is for you to switch dog foods, so let it be. For others, who would like to discuss the issues with Honest Kitchen, this is the right forum and the right topic. And unless you’re a psychiatrist, you hardly have the right to label someone as “obsessed”.

  • Nancy Calloway

    Shawna: YOU are a dear – thank you. I am in such gratitude for all you experienced teachers! I knew NOTHING about dog food when I found this site and now I am becoming much better informed – thanks to you and others and Dr. Mike!!

  • Boston Belle

    Now you’ve got me wondering about that “human quality” thing! To have parsley get here from Egypt fresh seems almost impossible……and now,in thinking about all the other out-sourced ingredients….I wonder if that’s a possible loophole,and why they get so much from other countries….maybe THEIR facility here is human quality,but I have to doubt all from other countries would be. Maybe that’s why it’s cheaper for them to get the ingredients overseas. Hmmmm. And as far as that goes…..the alfalfa pieces I took out no human would have tried to eat,and we don’t eat much alfalfa,in any size……more hmmmmm……

  • Boston Belle

    Yes,why didn’t I think of that. REALLY? If you had read all of the story,I had a very sick Boston that I tried several things on,and COULDN’T CHANGE!
    I wonder,did YOU ever take the time,then,to warn anyone else about those treats? I’m guessing not.
    You have been lucky to have a dog with no digestive issues,but until you do,I suggest you don’t judge people who HAVE,and are working through it! I think you’re the one who needs a chill pill,and should just move on,when something doesn’t interest you,instead of telling other people what they should be doing! Pretty simple!

  • Boston Belle

    Thank you! I appreciate it! I was using this food when our oldest Boston got two months of diarrhea,from a “food allergy” to chicken. For what ever reason,this food,and HK Perfect Form,was all he could eat! I had no choice but to use it,even tho I was finding these “sticks”! I contacted them,the whole story is here somewhere. I would have changed then if I could have,it just wasn’t an option. We have switched now to K9Naturals and Sojo’s. Thanks again!

  • suesunswim

    Then just don’t feed your dogs Honest Kitchen. Pretty simple.

    I had a similar problem with feeding my dog chicken jerky treats made in good old Georgtown, USA. Apparently, they were too crispy and sharp for my Yorkie. I spent almost 800 dollars (THANK GOD FOR MY PET INSURANCE) trying to find out why she pucked and sh!!T blood, bile and mucas. What it ended up being was inflammed intestines from the sharp edges of these treats.

    AGAIN, bottom line, I no longer feed my very small dog these very heathy (for BIGGER dog) treats.

    I actually agree with you about the dog food issue, but I just think that you guys are taking it way too far and creating too much stress about what to feed your dogs.
    There are a lot of good dog foods out there, just like there are a lot of good people foods out there. We, who worry about nutrition, just have to take a small chill pilll and make the best choices for us and our doggies, without going nuts over it.

  • Shawna

    I haven’t had a chance to post much the last week or so but I’ve been following the conversations on my phone. You are a sweetheart Nancy!!

  • Shawna

    No, they would have to have the foods processed in their facility or from a supplier that also has the same quality control as their food is human edible and therefore MUST be processed in a facility that also processes human foods. THK is one of only two companies producing dog foods that can legally state their food is human quality.

    I know, therefore, that every ingredient used is of the same quality as what I can buy from my local grocery store (or better). That alone, in my opinion, is worth the higher price tag. I am guaranteed a certain quality with their foods.

  • Nancy Calloway

    BB, you have been vigilant and diligent with your reporting what you experienced. I appreciate that and it is exactly why I am on this site. Thank you for your post. People are free to take it or leave it.

  • Boston Belle
  • Boston Belle

    AMEN!

  • Boston Belle

    To arrive “fresh”, before HK dehydrates it,seems unlikely. To have the source do it would mean they didn’t do it themselves,and had no quality control over it. At one time,they DID have a voluntary recall on parsley,now that I think back…..hmmmmmmm…..

  • losul

    It seems China is the world’s largest supplier of parsley, followed by Egypt, then India.

    http://www.alibaba.com/products/F0/parsley.html

  • Nancy Calloway

    It pays to be vigilant. You’ve asked good questions. Parsley from Egypt is a bit extreme – but perhaps not for the “right price.”

  • Heather Melick

    Truly makes you wonder why they keep pumping out new formulas when their original recipes are supposedly so wonderful. It’s odd, at the very least.

  • Heather Melick

    I think it is the OBLIGATION of a good pet owner to examine poop! Poop often is a very good overview of how healthy your dog is…And to assume that you just go from one food to another is irresponsible… Commercial dog foods are not all safe. Some I won’t even consider. This is common sense, not someone being obsessive.

  • Boston Belle

    When you’re mixing it up,and see pieces as big as match sticks,and they throw up similar,tho smaller ones,and when you’re picking up after them,and it looks like bales of hay,you pretty much HAVE to notice! I didn’t HAVE to break anything apart,it was very obvious! And with all the WRONG ingredients in pet foods and treats these days,to just assume it’s okay doesn’t work for me! After that,I see no harm in alerting others using this food,just in case they see the same problem. That’s what this site is about,I thought,was discussing quality issues in dog food! I feel fine,and so do my dogs,and I don’t mind questioning anything that affects them! I would suggest stepping away from any posts you’re not interested in,and you might feel better!

  • Boston Belle

    They had listed somewhere,because some one commented on it,where all their ingredients come from. The parsley just stuck in my mind the most,just because it seems like it would be so hard to keep it fresh,all the way from Egypt! It wilts really quickly,and I just kept pondering why it would be worth the effort when it’s such a common herb? I’ve figured out,if something REALLY doesn’t make sense,look for the $$ in it. Thinking of it that way REALLY gets scary!

  • SandyandMila

    Shes been on raw before and her poops from just being back to raw yesterday were awesome so I think she’ll be ok. I won’t be feeding the SSLL everyday, maybe alternate it for breakfast with a bone-in grind the other mornings with either a multi or balanced with whole foods. I feel I got a great 1:1 lesson from HDM recently on that, just need to stock up on everything I need so I can do homemade. I’ve got her on VE and Stella and Chewys and RMBs for her dinner, but also still feeding her dry and wet from time to time because she likes it and to spread the raw that I do have so far until I can afford to get a Hare’s order.

  • Nancy Calloway

    I agree. But even with the USA Grown there are questions. We are one of the biggest GMO Inclusive countries still, which is a concern. However, Certified Organic and GMO FREE do exist here, and increasingly so (I HOPE). That same thought always runs through my mind when I see that someone has gone elsewhere than the US for their food. Puts me on the alert.

  • theBCnut

    Wow! They have updated their direction for higher fat meats. I only have the old directions.
    Mix 2 level tablespoons for adults or 4 level tablespoons for puppies to one pound of 85-90%(90% for puppies) lean raw or cooked ground meat. Then it tells you what oil to add if you feed red meat or poultry and to add fish or fish oil.
    For Mila, I would start out with one lb twice a day and plan on adjusting that. I’ve heard you should do 1/2 meals for the first few days, if you are switching cold turkey, but I transitioned mine and had no issue, and I was feeding a young pup at the time, so I didn’t want to fast and do small meals.
    Sent from my iPod

  • suesunswim

    Wow, after reading a lot of comments on this website, I am kind of flabergasted. Who actually has the kind of time to spend obsessing so much about dog food and then actually breaking apart, examining and then POSTING pictures of your dog’s poop??

    I have a Yorkie who is the love of my life and I have done my research on what to feed her. If one brand or type of food doesn’t work for her, I just try another one and that includes frozen raw, dehydrated raw, freeze dried raw, canned food, tripe AND kibble. I try to find the highest quality of all the different types of food, but not all dogs are going to do well on all foods just like people, and if one brand or type doesn’t agree with her, then on to another one.

    I think some of you should just step away from your dog’s poop and you might feel better.

  • Boston Belle

    Another thing that seemed really odd to me,is that they get their ingredients from all over the world! How do we know what kind of yuk is on them(in them)! I think I remember reading their parsley comes from Egypt! We can’t grow parsley in the US?

  • Cyndi

    No problem! :)

  • SandyandMila

    I was thinking 8oz and it’d be easy to divide a grind up that way but i wasn’t sure due to the instructions. Thanks, that’s easy enough.

  • Cyndi

    Not sure if I’m even doing it right, but I make a mix of ground beef, ground beef organs and tripe (all from hare today). For breakfast Bailey would get 8oz. of that mix with 1 tablespoon of the See Spot Live Longer, along with whatever else I add that day, whether it be sardines, coconut oil, an egg or whatever…

    Edit* and she weighs 52lbs.

  • SandyandMila

    So I started Mila back on raw today, she loved her turkey neck for dinner but no so much her VE beef nibblets for breakfast (first time eating VE). I’m thinking of possibly using See Spot Live Longer dinner mix in the near future when I can start making homemade and I’m sort of confused about the directions online, and was wondering if it’s explained more on the bag? It says online to “80% lean: mix two tablespoons (18 grams) with 3/4 pound of meat. Feed 3/4 of recommended amounts on package. 75% lean: mix two tablespoons (18 grams) with 2/3 pounds of meat. Feed 2/3 of recommended amounts on package.” How much meat would I be feeding in one meal (Mila is 54lb.) and how much of the dinner mix would I be adding. I’ve only used Preference before and it was pretty easy to use and maybe wanted to try something different. Thanks

  • Nancy Calloway

    THIS IS INEXCUSABLE. That food is very expensive. If you want TWIGS in your dog’s food then there is plenty in your yard I am sure, that you can gather up for him. I’m not thinking good thoughts about that, and as I said, I am continuing my search. Adios HK. Nice hearin’ about cha but we are not into sticks YET.

  • Cyndi

    LOL!! I went and got my bag too!! LOL! Then I figured I’ll just copy and paste the link. Didn’t even think to just copy and paste the ingredients! We’re too funny, lol!

  • theBCnut

    I’m stupid. I went and got my bag and was set to type in all the ingredients when I noticed that you posted the link. I was going to leave it at that, but I realized I could copy/paste easily, so I did. Much easier than typing all that, and I was willing to do that, stupid me.

  • Cyndi

    I guess I could have just done that instead of posting the link, lol! Thanks nut!

  • theBCnut

    Ingredients: dried spinach, calcium proteinate, tricalcium phosphate, dried eggs, ground flax seed, dried spirulina algae, psyllium husk powder, organic dried kelp, sea salt, inulin, chelated minerals (iron, zinc, manganese and copper proteinates), vitamin E, d-calcium pantothenate, vitamin D3, vitamin B12.

  • Crazy4cats

    Good idea. I’ll give it a shot. For some reason, they are not liking the turkey flavor HK as a topper. They did fine with the beef. I have two small boxes left from that special a while back. I hope they like those!

  • Crazy4cats

    I do think there are a few people using it, but I don’t remember who. The ingredients are on the website. I have used his download, See Spot Live Longer the ABC way. It spells out some ways to add to kibble to make a healthier diet. http://www.seespotlivelonger.com/home/sll/page_41/see_spot_live_longer_the_abc_way___electronic_down.html

  • Cyndi

    Nancy, a few of us replied to your topic in the forum section about pre-mixes. The ingredients are listed right on the See Spot Live Longer website.

    Here is the link:
    http://www.seespotlivelonger.com/home/sll/page_16/our_ingredients_your_ingredients.html

  • Nancy Calloway

    BTW Do you know of ANYONE using SEE SPOT LIVE LONGER DINNER MIXES?
    I have read his books and have visited the Website where the dinner mixes are sold. I have not been able to find out the actual ingredients to determine if they are synthetic or not. Would you happen to know? Or have you any memory of others mentioning using it? Thank you.

  • Boston Belle

    I had put up pics earlier,but it’s been a while,of the material I was removing! I can see no nutritive value to this,so no reason to grind it up. If one of my dogs were chewing on something like this in the yard,I’d be removing it from their mouth! They had asked me if it could have been banana……no.

  • Nancy Calloway

    Thank you so much! I’m not as dumb as I sound — have a phd — but not in canine matters!! Psychology! Enjoying learning at DFA and appreciate your (and others’) generosity!

  • Boston Belle

    I soak the Sojos for hours as well. I’ve been making it a bit thicker than normal,and then when I serve it up,I add some more water,but make it really hot. That takes the edge off of the cold fridge temp.

  • Boston Belle

    VERY disappointing! I’m now using Sojo’s,and while I AM running it thru the processor,it’s just because some of the carrots are in pieces that tend to not digest. I don’t mind doing that because all of the ingredients look great. My one girl just tosses back out any big hard pieces,and she eats too fast too chew! I can do it in that case! LOL!

  • Crazy4cats

    You can either call or email them. I think I have done both. Their contact information is on their site. Typically dry food has about 10% moisture leaving about 90% dry matter. You then can divide the protein or fat amount by 90% to get the approximate dry matter basis. http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/choosing-dog-food/dry-matter-basis/ Good luck!

  • Nancy Calloway

    Just went to VICTORS. How does one calculate the Dry Matter Basis on that site? That means more to me than crude anything. Do you have to email them and ASK? Sorry to ask such a dumb question. And thank you in advance.

  • Nancy Calloway

    Thank you for your descriptions.

  • Nancy Calloway

    On to another food. This is so disappointing.

  • Crazy4cats

    That does seem strange. I hope you get everything figured out and your pup gets better. You could always use both Dr. Tim’s and Victor’s foods. Do you ever mix in any type of less processed food to help bump up the protein and nutrients?

  • Boston Belle

    That was an option,IF I thought there way anything beneficial in it! These pieces I found were dead,white,woody pieces of stems that didn’t hydrate,no matter how long they were soaked. As you say,for the price it shouldn’t be necessary. And it shouldn’t be necessary to pick all that material out. They say they add no filler,but this IS a filler of a sort! It’s stuff they should be throwing away,and they are adding it back. They call it their “tea leaf cut” now……but even people don’t EAT what’s in a teabag!

  • Nancy Calloway

    I am considering trying Victors. They have so many to choose from. My GSD is doing well on Dr. Tim’s Persuit although I think it’s a little high carb -wise. Good price for what you get . Yes, the golden licks AT the salt water but does not DRINK IT. We are at Bald Head Island off the NC Coast and the grocery is a small island-y grocery and everything is brought over on the barge. All they had was “non- food” pet foods– Organix by C &P was the best, so instead I bought a little hen and am giving chicken and rice and broth til we leave tomorrow. She has not pooped AT ALL in 36 hrs but has drunk a lot of water with broth in it. I think it’s curious that while I mixed the Grasslands with Best Breed there was no problem, but on its own the diarrhea. Interesting. And when I think back to my GSD he was okay with Origen and Acana UNTIL we reached 50-50 in the transition.

  • Crazy4cats

    My favorite kibble so far is Grain Free Victor. I stick with budget friendly kibble and add a healthy topper to every meal. Did your pup drink the salt water at the beach? One of my dogs that loves the water, unfortunately drinks too much of it while he’s playing. It causes terrible diarrhea on the beach. But he usually recuperates pretty quickly afterwards.

  • Caroline Capobianco

    I like the grain-free ones, Embark, Love, and Zeal, even though my dog can’t eat the Zeal because of too much sweet potato. I have Keen right now. I always add extra meat to the lower protein formulas.

  • Nancy Calloway

    Oh, thank you. I saw it at Chewy and remembered how people have mentioned it. When we feed kibble Im getting the sense that a topper is in the realm of ‘necessary?’

  • Nancy Calloway

    Thank you. Also wondering, what dry kibbles you’ve decided are okay. I doubt I will abandon kibbles totally, and in an emergency it can come in handy.
    My Golden Retriever just got diarrhea on ACANA GRASSLANDS which I was mixing with another kibble (Best Breed). I ran out of BB and gave straight Acana. We are at the coast and she has had diarrhea all over the beach. Champion loves chick peas and legumes! I guess it was too much for her. She ‘s my dog that “can eat anything.” So I bought a little hen and she’s now on chicken/ rice and broth til it clears up and we go home. Thank you.

  • Nancy Calloway

    Geez, that’s really too bad. When you open a box of “sticks” or when you can SEE larger material than you want to hydrate, is it of the consistency that you can put it in a Cuisinart before adding water, and chop up the contents a little finer? Just wondering. That might solve the problem of an otherwise pretty good food. For the price they charge I would not want to do that. However, if it worked, then I would probably try the food.
    Thank you for your response.

  • aquariangt

    While I do believe no dog food is for everyone, those comments are a bit odd. A, she needs to eat less acana than best breed, it’s lower in protein and other nutrients, meaning you need to feed more. B, peeing a lot is an odd reaction to a kibble, more so a sign of stress

  • theBCnut

    We’ve had about a foot of rain yesterday and about a foot today. I think we’ve had our rain for the month in just 2 days.

  • theBCnut

    I started with kibble, then added a little raw. I made a huge batch of DinOvites Yeast Starvation Diet, which is one of the easiest raw diets to make and started adding it to kibble. Then I ordered Darwin’s, but not the amount they suggested, only enough to feed it once every few days. Then I got a recipe off the web and made it. I also fed raw meaty bones once or twice a week. That had me set up to feed something different every day. When I got low on DinOvite, I got Dr Harvey’s Veg to Bowl to replace it. And I got Steve Browns book to replace my homemade with a new recipe. I always make big batches and freeze them in the right sized portions. I’ve tried a few different commercial raws, a few different premixes, and a few different recipes. Variety is good. Don’t get married to any of it. Pick one to start with and then try another and another.

  • Cyndi

    Amen!!

  • Nancy Calloway

    I am spending my 4th of July VACATION pouring over DR BECKER’S REAL FOOD and this site. My index cards are getting used up with notes! I just saw your name in the Thank you section of her 4th ed book! Thank you for all the hard work – labor of love – and for all you are teaching us here. I feel so ignorant on this subject but with tenacity and the generosity of the old timers shall become much more informed. Maybe someone should consider putting together a DFA WEBINAR ! I am truly grateful for your contributions and for the teachings of all the others on this site who are helping the rest of us. Many many thanks! :)

  • Crazy4cats

    Well, I’m glad you took my post in stride because it is from one dog food obsessed crazy to another! Lol!
    I’m not as “advanced” as most on this site. I feed my dogs the Solid Gold canned tripe about once every week or two. I don’t really ever intend to feed home made food, but I wish you luck on your journey. Yes, pick a food and try it out. You can always add something to it, or get rid of it and move on. Best wishes :)

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    It did rain every afternoon when we were at Disneyland or Disneyworld, whichever one is in FL.

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    I use tripett as a topper. It doesn’t have added vitamins or other supplements.

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    You can run it through a food processor if you want to. I just gave digestive enzymes when feeding chunky foods. You can also soak it overnight with extra water. Might make it softer.

    Just wanted to say you have time to learn about homemade raw diets. I started out feeding commercial raw for about a year before venturing into homemade. Also starting with premixes gives you more time to research cost, supplies, etc for homemade from scratch. I decided to buy a commercial grinder and an upright freezer for the pugs since I will buy in bulk. I’ve been making homemade for a year or two and still feed all the other forms of foods. Eatwild.com has links to farms where you might find some supplies for making dog food around your area. Also check out the yahoo group “carnivorefeed-supplier”. Raw retailers will post here. Restaurant suppliers will also sometimes be open to the public so you might check those out too and get discounted prices by the case. But adding a raw supplement like CarnivoreRaw or Urban Wolf or other premix makes homemade so easy and takes up less space than buying whole birds and other RMB in bulk so that you wouldn’t need a grinder and big freezer. That’s something to consider. The photo below is when I bought 400 lbs in bulk in ground foods and bones and organs. I think at least a small chest freezer would be helpful since some things take up alot of space like chicken backs or whole turkeys. I also buy tripe stuffed cow hooves by the case (30 count) and 30-60 lbs of duck necks at a time. I can’t remember if you have small dogs or big dogs. I have small dogs so I bought a grinder to better portion out bones and organs since mine only eat 6 oz a day. Medium and larger dogs can eat whole pieces and it’s simpler to balance out their diet over time. There’s a thread in the dogforums.com site called “raw feeding picture thread”. Lots of examples and pictures there!!

  • Nancy Calloway

    Thank you C4C! And yes, I WOULD prefer to spend more time with my dogs, but like everyone on this site I really CARE about their food. We are what we eat, and so are they. The positive is that there are some very good products available, which you old timers are teaching us newbies (Thank you !) Now I’m thinking the next step is to jump in and TRY SOME of these foods and see how my dogs do. That’s the only way to know what works. Thank you for your encouraging words! You are right. We cannot get too captured by it.
    And BTW would you explain how people are using TRIPETT? I’ve seen it at Chewy.com. It looks like a good thing to feed. But I am wondering exactly HOW. Thank you!

  • Crazy4cats

    Nancy, Nancy, Nancy-
    You are making yourself crazy! Relax. Lol! Just take it one step at a time. There is no perfect way to feed your dog. You are not going to find it. It’s ok! I started out feeding kibble. Then kibble and canned. Then kibble with, canned, dehydrated,sardines and/or eggs. Now I do all these and even add frozen raw nuggets two meals a week. Also throw in some left over veggies often. Hopefully will add more raw in the future. If it makes you that anxious, it’s not worth it. Just spend more time with your dog! The average pet owner feeds their dogs Purina. You are already ahead of the game!

  • Boston Belle

    I REALLY tried to give this brand a second,third,or what ever,chance! I used a small box of Preference,and it seemed ok. The rep GAVE me two large boxes,and as soon as I got into the first……more “sticks”! I now have the girls on Sojos,and it’s working great…no sticks. I gave the unopened box to rescue,and plan to do the same with the opened one. I’m DONE trying to make this food work,and done cleaning up dog poo that looks like horse pies.

  • Nancy Calloway

    Yours is a more laid back attitude… could be a solution. As Betsy G told me last week: There is no perfect dog food. (Thank you, Betsy). It’s a known fact that dogs have the scavenger living in them. Perhaps that’s where our peace of mind can come about. I know I’m worrying too much.

  • Nancy Calloway

    You all ARE AMAZING!! And now I am distressed. I’m reading Dr. Becker’s book right now (I’m wayyyy behind you all!) Is the ONLY safe solution to make it yourself? The book is good, but I’m feeling the burdon of so much keeping up with everything that I just can’t imagine where I will find the TIME to make my own dogfood from scratch and ensure all the nutrients AND the safety. It’s a LOT. So while reading I thought again about THK and Dr. Harvey’s.
    WHAT TO DO?
    Arrrgh!

  • Nancy Calloway

    I am thinking about trying THK next. What about those pieces of cut up veggies someone photographed and posted? That’s a concern, esp with the price. Is it possible to run the dry mix (before hydrating) through a food processor to make the mix FINER so that the cut veggies are finer and more digestible? I’m also thinking about Dr. Harvey’s fine ground mix that someone discussed recently. Did you ever try that and if so, how do they compare? Thank you.

  • Nancy Calloway

    After Arthur came through we drove to the NC Coast on July 4. I brought ACANA GRASSLANDS for my Golden Retriever who I THOUGHT could eat anything. I had been mixing it with Best Breed Kibble that our GSD could not eat due to his diarrhea issues. I mixed the Best Breed with the GRASSLANDS and the golden did fine. Finished off Best Breed and brought ACANA with us. WHen I fed only GRASSLANDS she ate it ONLY because she was hungry. Left 1/3 of a cup which she has NEVER done in her ten years. Yesterday morning she ate half of it. I have noticed she is peeing like crazy. She almost never seems to need to pee. This morning out on the beach she peed FIVE TIMES in an hour. There must be something in that GRASSLANDS. Last night Igave her chicken and rice and broth, and for breakfast today. ACANA is not for everyone, it seems.

  • theBCnut

    We had Arthur sail by us Monday, Tuesday, and a bit Wednesday, and that didn’t even give us much of a break. We had a bit more hot wind and a bit more rain. We went kayaking and airboating to celebrate. Actually, I’ve had my brother and SIL in town from CA, so we took them on a bioluminescence kayak tour. We had an amazing time.

  • SandyandMila

    Mila is more interested in the cat poop, she smell the dog poop while on our walks, but the cat poop is more intriguing I guess. lol

  • Betsy Greer

    Today was our low for the week also. What a welcome relief it was. It’s been hot and humid here too. One bad hair day after another. ; ) We had some really scary storms and numerous tornadoes touched down earlier in the week. It’s definitely unnerving to be woken by tornado sirens in the middle of the night. Lots of people here still have no power. I’m especially grateful for this weather for them.

  • theBCnut

    Shut up! Just shut up! I think our humidity was 110% today. Our low for the entire next week is supposed to be 73. I had the farrier out today to do the horses feet. The poor man was about to die. The humidity was so high he couldn’t catch his breath the entire time he was here.

  • Betsy Greer

    Yep, it always seems to do that – move West to East. Enjoy! It’s perfect weather for the holiday.

  • Cyndi

    I guess that’s what’s on tap for me tomorrow. I live near Cleveland & that will be heading my way for tomorrow. :)