Diamond Naturals (Dry)


Rating: ★★★★☆

Diamond Naturals Dog Food receives the Advisor’s second-highest tier rating of 4 stars.

The Diamond Naturals product line includes 12 dry dog foods, three claimed to meet AAFCO nutrient profiles for all life stages and nine for adult maintenance.

The following is a list of recipes available at the time of this review.

  • Diamond Naturals Senior
  • Diamond Naturals Sm Breed Adult Lamb
  • Diamond Naturals Adult Chicken and Rice
  • Diamond Naturals Sm Breed Adult Chicken
  • Diamond Naturals Adult Beef Meal and Rice
  • Diamond Naturals Extreme Athlete (5 stars)
  • Diamond Naturals Small Breed Puppy (4.5 stars)
  • Diamond Naturals Lg Breed Puppy Lamb (3.5 stars)
  • Diamond Naturals Lg Breed Adult Chicken (3.5 stars)
  • Diamond Naturals Lite Lamb Meal and Rice (2.5 stars)
  • Diamond Naturals Adult Lamb Meal and Rice (3.5 stars)
  • Diamond Naturals Lg Breed Adult Lamb Meal (3.5 stars)

Diamond Naturals Adult Beef Meal and Rice was selected to represent the other products in the line for this review.

Diamond Naturals Adult Beef Meal and Rice

Dry Dog Food

Estimated Dry Matter Nutrient Content

Protein = 28% | Fat = 17% | Carbs = 48%

Ingredients: Beef meal, peas, cracked pearled barley, ground rice, rice bran, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), fish meal, pea protein, dried beet pulp, egg product, natural flavor, flaxseed, potassium chloride, salt, choline chloride, dried chicory root, kale, chia seed, pumpkin, blueberries, oranges, quinoa, dried kelp, coconut, spinach, carrots, papaya, Yucca schidigera extract, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Bifidobacterium lactis, Lactobacillus reuteri, vitamin E supplement, beta carotene, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate (vitamin B1), manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, niacin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin (vitamin B2), vitamin D supplement, folic acid

Fiber (estimated dry matter content) = 4.4%

Red items when present indicate controversial ingredients

Estimated Nutrient Content
Guaranteed Analysis25%15%NA
Dry Matter Basis28%17%48%
Calorie Weighted Basis24%35%41%

The first ingredient in this dog food is beef meal. Beef meal is considered a meat concentrate and contains nearly 300% more protein than fresh beef.

The second ingredient is peas. Peas are a quality source of carbohydrates. And like all legumes, they’re rich in natural fiber.

However, peas contain about 25% protein, a factor that must be considered when judging the meat content of this dog food.

The third ingredient is barley. Barley is a starchy carbohydrate supplying fiber and other healthy nutrients. However, aside from its energy content, this cereal grain is of only modest nutritional value to a dog.

The fourth ingredient is ground rice, another name for rice flour. Ground rice is made from either white or brown rice and is considered a gluten-free substitute for wheat flour.

The fifth ingredient is rice bran, a healthy by-product of milling whole grain rice. The bran is the fiber-rich outer layer of the grain containing starch, protein, fat as well as vitamins and minerals.

The sixth ingredient is chicken fat. Chicken fat is obtained from rendering chicken, a process similar to making soup in which the fat itself is skimmed from the surface of the liquid.

Chicken fat is high in linoleic acid, an omega-6 fatty acid essential for life. Although it doesn’t sound very appetizing, chicken fat is actually a quality ingredient.

The seventh ingredient includes fish meal, another protein-rich meat concentrate.

Fish meal is typically obtained from the “clean, dried, ground tissue of undecomposed whole fish and fish cuttings” of commercial fish operations.1

Unfortunately, this particular item is anonymous. Because various fish contain different types of fats, we would have preferred to have known the source species.

The eighth ingredient is pea protein, what remains of a pea after removing the starchy part of the vegetable.

Even though it contains over 80% protein, this ingredient would be expected to have a lower biological value than meat.

And less costly plant-based products like this can notably boost the total protein reported on the label — a factor that must be considered when judging the meat content of this dog food.

The ninth ingredient is beet pulp. Beet pulp is a controversial ingredient, a high fiber by-product of sugar beet processing.

Some denounce beet pulp as an inexpensive filler while others cite its outstanding intestinal health and blood sugar benefits.

We only call your attention here to the controversy and believe the inclusion of beet pulp in reasonable amounts in most dog foods is entirely acceptable.

From here, the list goes on to include a number of other items.

But to be realistic, ingredients located this far down the list (other than nutritional supplements) are not likely to affect the overall rating of this product.

With five notable exceptions

First, we note the inclusion of egg product, an unspecified (wet or dry?) form of shell-free eggs. Quality can vary significantly. Lower grade egg product can even come from commercial hatcheries — from eggs that have failed to hatch.

In any case, eggs are easy to digest and have an exceptionally high biological value.

Next, flaxseed is one of the best plant sources of healthy omega-3 fatty acids. Provided they’ve first been ground into a meal, flax seeds are also rich in soluble fiber.

However, flaxseed contains about 19% protein, a factor that must be considered when judging the actual meat content of this dog food.

In addition, chicory root is rich in inulin, a starch-like compound made up of repeating units of carbohydrates and found in certain roots and tubers.

Not only is inulin a natural source of soluble dietary fiber, it’s also a prebiotic used to promote the growth of healthy bacteria in a dog’s digestive tract.

Next, chia seed is an edible seed nutritionally similar to flax or sesame. Provided they’re first ground into a meal, chia seeds are rich in both omega-3 fatty acids as well as dietary fiber.

However, chia seeds contain about 17% protein, a factor that must be considered when judging the meat content of this dog food.

And lastly, this food also contains chelated minerals, minerals that have been chemically attached to protein. This makes them easier to absorb. Chelated minerals are usually found in better dog foods.

Diamond Naturals Dog Food
The Bottom Line

Judging by its ingredients alone, Diamond Naturals looks like an average dry dog food.

But ingredient quality by itself cannot tell the whole story. We still need to estimate the product’s meat content before determining a final rating.

The dashboard displays a dry matter protein reading of 28%, a fat level of 17% and estimated carbohydrates of about 48%.

As a group, the brand features an average protein content of 28% and a mean fat level of 17%. Together, these figures suggest a carbohydrate content of 47% for the overall product line.

And a fat-to-protein ratio of about 59%.

Near-average protein. Near-average fat. And near-average carbs when compared to a typical dry dog food.

When you consider the protein-boosting effect of the peas, pea protein, flax and chia seeds, this looks like the profile of a kibble containing a moderate amount of meat.

Bottom line?

Diamond Naturals is a plant-based dry dog food using a moderate amount of various named meat meals as its main sources of animal protein, thus earning the brand 4 stars.

Highly recommended.

Please note certain recipes are sometimes given a higher or lower rating based upon our estimate of their total meat content.

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Notes and Updates

01/05/2010 Original review
04/10/2014 Last Update

  1. Association of American Feed Control Officials
  • Elayne

    Our vet recommended high protein ones but we are going with the low protein as recommended by the breeder.

  • Elayne

    We are going with what the breeder recommended…presidents choice nutrition first.

  • Elayne

    After posting I saw what you are referring too and quickly changed my mind. We are going with what the breeder recommended…presidents choice nutrition first.

  • Sherry Noss

    Aquariangt, May I ask where is your current research from? Meaning what are your sources for your statement of “most current and accepted research lends itself to low calcium and high protein for a large/giant puppy.”
    I believe many of you are quoting from this article link…

    This is a very good article from one Veternarian and if you read it to the end it also supports what I have quoted and researched about the proper ratio of protein to calcium/phospherous. The issue lies with the fact that in many foods when the protein is bumped up so is the calcium and then it becomes an issue with a giant breed dog. Something this article also touches on. It also states the exact thing I quoted as saying that an all breed diet is usually acceptable for growth of a giant breed dog as long as the calcium level is not too high which they usually are not and they usually as a whole have a 28% or so Protein level…
    She quotes, ( “If you’re
    going to feed kibble to a large breed puppy, I recommend you look for
    special large breed puppy formulas or a formula that is “Approved for
    all life stages.” This means the food is appropriate for growing
    puppies or adult dogs.
    I do not recommend feeding a traditional (high growth) puppy food to large breed puppies.”)
    Hmmm Is this because Traditional High growth puppy foods contain more protein and Calcium… ????? Hmm she doesnt say… Surprising… she also doesnt quote anywhere where the “Studies Say” is from… what studies? is she referring to or quoting from…. ? The cite for the article is from Merck Vet Manual and relates to Overview of Dystrophies Associated with Calcium, Phosphorus, and Vitamin D..

    and to quote the last paragraph…

    “Examples of genetic defects associated with osteodystrophies include
    X-linked hypophosphatemia and hereditary hypophosphatemic rickets.” to my knowlege I do not know of any breeder that has these or rickets in there offspring so breeders who follow the diets I am speaking of seem to be doing something right….

    It is to all each their own but it irritates me when people talk like they are telling of something new and improved with no data behind it and everyone jumps on that bandwagon. It also irritates me when people including vets label large breed and giant breed the same with the same requirements because they dont.

    My research comes from the AVMA, http://www.blogger.com/profile/05003687808348375790 Gyphon Mastiffs, St Patricks Mastiffs, Dr Lonnie Laack, Dr. Richard Burchinal, and http://www.vin.com/
    The research I quote and agree with as far as feeding Giant breed dogs lower protein levels goes back to 2000 and is as recent as 2 weeks ago when I had the question posted to VIN.
    I am speaking for protein to calcium ratios for GIANT breed dogs as they are different to Large Breed dogs and should not be lumped together…. Dogs who grow 130# to 265# as most Giant Breeds do have different nutritional requirements than a Large breed dog of 50# to 100# dog.
    “25% and absolutely no higher than 28%. It is also important to keep your calcium/phosphorus ratio right at 1:1. Doing these things is a huge step in preventing conditions like HOD (Hypertrophic Osteodystrophy) or Panosteitis. These are both painful conditions and can be crippling for life if not treated with a balanced diet.” Gryphon Mastiffs

    I have raised 4 Giant Breed English Mastiffs with the protein level at or below 28% with a healthy outcome over the last 15 years. I will continue to follow this because to me just saying the research lends itself to something else means nothing when there is not enough science to support it.
    Good Day.

  • Dori

    Oh please don’t feed your dog anything made by Diamond. Lots of recalls, lots of problems.

  • Sherry Noss

    That is exactly why I urge you to check with some Dane BREEDERS in your area to see what they have had success feeding. They, breeders are going to know what has worked wonders for them and what hasnt and pass their knowledge on to you. They will also be able to tell you where to buy the products for your area.
    Giant Breed nutrition is very different from large breed nutrition and you can really do alot of long lasting damage when you start playing around with high calcium and high protein levels.

  • Sherry Noss

    No 25% is not too high for a giant breed dog.
    I encourage you to contact breeders of your breed in question and inquire on some foods and levels that have worked for them over the years. They can give you valuable and trusted info.
    Vets/Vet Techs are great, too, but study a very limited time in nutrition and with all the changes in health issues, keeping up on changing nutrition often takes a back burner.

    If you are searching for info on the internet, I would check the source and how old the article is as well. Not everything is written/posted by a credible source or even kept up to date……… or worse just someone with an opinion and no credentials. Just because someone “posts often” ?? regularly??
    does not an expert make? … just an FYI.

  • Sherry Noss

    I would discus
    further with your vet and or breeder as I stated I am no expert, but
    we always kept our EM’s at or below 24% protein. We raised many with no
    growth or bone issues following this protocol. A very good site that I
    have visited many times regarding feeding for my English Mastiffs is


  • Elayne

    I have now discovered that Costco’s Kirkland brand dog food is made by Diamond and is readily available here in my area. The lamb and rice adult seems to meet all my requirements.

  • Storm’s Mom

    Nope, I’ve never tried. I’ve looked into it, and basically the cost of shipping is roughly the same as the cost of the food. There may be no duties charged, I’m not sure, but there sure are shipping charges! :-( I’m actually physically very close to the border, but I’m also on an island..so actually crossing the border to get to Seattle, for example, is a bit of a pain in the butt ;-)

  • LabsRawesome

    Hi Richard!! :)

  • http://BrothersComplete.com/ Richard Darlington

    Hi Storms mom, I’m curious if you’ve ever tried having a dog food shipped to you from the US? I’m wondering if you’re close enough to the border and so are they if the shipping would be reasonable enough to make it worth it. I thought I remember being told that the US and Canada have a trade agreement that makes it possible to ship something to Canada without the duty charge if it’s under a certain amount. I don’t know how far from Seattle you are but that’s a big dog center and I think one of the online dog food supply companies was recently advertising that they were going to start shipping globally but I’m not sure if they are shipping dog food.

  • Storm’s Mom

    I’m in Canada (west coast) and have seen in local stores most of the brands listed here: http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-reviews/brand/ I certainly have never found what’s available lacking. I rotate/change what Storm eats every bag..all are 4 or 5 star kibbles and various canned..and I’ve rarely fed the same food twice.

    Of course, availability would likely vary between a city and a town in Canada, etc just as it would in the US. There are generally more brands available back east (Ontario, etc) than out here in BC, but that’s likely the same in the US as well.

    There are some products (Performatrin Ultra, Nutrience, etc) that are actually far more widely available in Canada than the US because they are Canadian companies. We generally get new products from Canadian brands (Acana, Orijen) before people in the US do. So, there are some positives to being north of the border, too :-)

    Which products are you referring to as ones where “the product name is the same but the make up is different”? I’ve only ever heard of 1 company (Nature’s Logic) where a formula sold in Canada was different than the US ..and that was because they had beef meal and beef fat in the US formula, but that’s not allowed in imported pet food products in Canada without a lot of extra hoops and loops. So for 2 formulae, Nature’s Logic changed out the beef meal for lamb meal and beef fat for chicken fat. The Canadian labels are different to reflect this. Other than that, I think I recall something about Ol Roy formulae (sold at Walmart) being different in Canada from what’s sold in the US, but that’s about it.

  • aquariangt

    while the products may be different, the nutrient levels would still be calculated the same, and you should be looking for the same %s in everything as you would from American products, so while you may not be able to compare apples to apples (in many cases, you still would be able to) you can still use the GA to get the same result you are looking for.
    And yes, most current and accepted research lends itself to low calcium, and stay on high protein for a large/giant puppy

  • Elayne

    Exactly right. And I am not in US. I am in Canada.

  • Melissaandcrew

    If they are not available for purchase in the US they would not be on a US review site

  • Elayne

    Exactly. Often the product name is the same but the make up is different. And often we do not have access to the same brands as you have. So by just picking a name and brand based on ratings here, I might not be able to get it at all or what I do get may not have the same quality. And we have some brands that are not rated on American sites.

  • Melissaandcrew

    A good example is your Canadian Company Champion. Right now the acana and orijen are the same. However, when they open a facility in the US, I am guessing they will be different based on the availability of “fresh regional ingredients” and I fear the products will differ widely.

  • Melissaandcrew

    That is true some of the time, but not always. Some companies make a different version that they export.

  • Elayne

    Lol ya.

  • Elayne

    Not at all. We just don’t have the same products.

  • 4FootedFoodie

    Are American opinions and products somehow subpar?

  • Crazy4cats

    Right? Who knew feeding a dog could be so complicated? :)

  • Elayne

    Thank you again. Further confusing the matter is that many of the sites that make recommendations etc are listing American products rather than Canadian and they are not always the same. I will continue with my research.

  • Crazy4cats


    I totally understand the confusion. I also was told by my previous vet with my first large pup not to feed puppy food to help to limit growth. After coming to this site and reading through some of Hound Dog Mom’s posts, I have come to realize that that way of thinking is most likely incorrect. Take a look at the above link. That thread is pages and pages of information regarding this matter. The pages that I mentioned in earlier post list recommended foods. I do not feel qualified to make any recommendations. But, read through some of the links and posts on that site and come to your own conclusions. I do think that everyone agrees, however, to limit growth and rigorous exercise to avoid joint issues with giant breeds while they are growing.

  • Elayne

    I am getting more confused. Everything I read says to limit protein and not use puppy food because it is too high in protein for a Dane.

  • Crazy4cats

    Most of the regular expert posters on this site recommend limiting the calcium levels for large and giant breed pups.They encourage high protein foods, with slow and controlled growth to stop joint issues while growing. There is a thread on large breed pups on the forum with a spreadsheet of recommended dry food on pages 15 and 35 of the thread. Good luck with your pup!

  • Elayne

    I have asked above, what protein level should I try for for my Great Dane puppy?

  • Elayne

    I understand the logic in keeping protein levels low for giant breed puppies. What percentage of protein am I aiming for? Is 25 % too high?

  • Sherry Noss

    No not from what I have learned and studied… the levels in most large breed or even adult or all life stage foods provides an adequate level of Calcium without over supplementing them.

  • Crazy4cats

    Do you have any concerns about calcium levels in the food for large breed pups? Wouldn’t you recommend keeping them under a certain percentage as well?

  • Sherry Noss

    I have had large and giant breeds all my life. I have also worked a decade for a vet clinic as a Vet Assistant… You DO NOT want high protein foods for a large or giant breed puppy. The whole reason behind lower protein levels in large breed puppy foods is to slow down the growth of the puppy so the muscles and bones grow at the same time. You can do severe damage to a growing large or giant breed pup by feeding a food to high in protein… including kidney damage…. my giant breed pups never were even fed puppy food of any kind per Vet and breeder recommendation… they went straight to an all life stage adult food and lived healthy lives…..

    Bottom line… I would not be concerned at all…. in fact you made a good choice IMO.

  • Danielle

    How much does your dog weigh, and how much food are you giving her (in total) per day? Maybe you’re feeding too much? I never feed my dog based on what the bag says. Figure out her ideal weight, calculate how many calories she needs daily, and then determine how much you need to feed based on how many calories are in each cup of food. Bags will frequently say to give my dog 2-3 cups a day, but if I calculate using how many cals she needs, depending on the food, she really only needs 1.5-1.75 cups a day. (She’s a 55 lb. mix, getting approximately 800 calories per day.)

  • Trey

    I am by no mean an expert when it comes to dog food so I come to you all with a question. I have a 16 week old lab puppy (obviously the most adorable thing I’ve ever seen) and he has had some stomach issues. We have tried Blue Buffalo and Simply Nourish and about half of the times he poops his stool would be very soft if not diarrhea. Some nights he even has to wake up in the middle of the night to rush outside and have diarrhea. We have switched to Diamond Naturals large puppy breed formula and so far he stools are a lot better. My concern is that I have heard the large breed puppy formula doesn’t have as much protein and from what I understand it is very important for puppies especially large puppies to be getting a lot of protein in their food. Should I be concerned about this for my lab?

  • Stacy Festog Kern

    I had a similar experience. I sent you a friend reqeust and private message on fb.

  • Vindíctam Draconis

    My old dog had Large breed lamb and rice from 8 weeks to 13 month and the ate only chicken and Rice Large Breed and he grew to be 33″ tall at the shoulder and 200 pounds of all muscle. He was a beautiful and healthy Great Pyrenees. He thrived on the stuff, and that is what my now pup is getting fed, and growing at a healthy rate and thriving. We have not had any problem or complaints with us using diamond naturals.

  • Wil Conley

    If you love your dog and want to give them the best food then there is NONE better than “NATURE’S SELECT” [ http://gonaturesselect.com ] and see for yourself. That’s what we did and we noticed a difference in our dog within a week!

  • Dianna Kelleher

    I understand the review of this line was based on the Beef & Rice formula, but does anyone specifically use the Chicken and Rice? I would have to order this online, and on the site I’m on I’m noticing the ingredients for the Adult Chicken and Rice include more fruits and veggies (granted half way down the list), and probiotics as opposed to the ingredient list for the Beef Formula or even the large breed Chicken and Rice which are half the length. Right now my dog is on Authority Large Breed Chicken which she likes, but she’s had Diamond Naturals before and did fine, she has no food allergies whatsoever. I wanted to switch to a 4 star still in my budget. She’s not active enough (I don’t think) to handle the extra protein and fat in the Active formula either to get a 5 star version of this food for an affordable price. She is very healthy, good weight, and great coat, but I want better maintenance for her.

  • http://winchester-avenger.tumblr.com/ Devyn Alayna Sievers

    I got the beef meal and rice food for my pittie mix since it had such good ratings and, being a college student, it was a really decent price. I had been feeding her Blue Buffalo, but I just couldn’t afford the $50 a bag each month. She has never been picky, so she took to this food right away. The only problem is, she’s been pooping like crazy. I feed her twice a day, but she seems to poop twice as much. I cleaned up the yard on Sunday, and today I had to have cleaned up at least 20 piles of poop. She also seems to be really hungry all the time; she’s eating the bird seed and just about anything else she can find outside. Its a good thing I work at Petco, because I’m gonna need that employee discount to get her a better food that won’t go right through her.

  • Tiffany Kuchar

    I started my 4 dogs on this brand last night, they are all now obsessively drinking water, waking up multiple times in the night frantic for water. Any ideas?

  • bairo

    Agreed…Actually better to feed any sized dog at least twice a day. It helps keep their blood sugar more stable as well as many other benefits. Here is “Harley” My 4th GSD; all raised on Diamond. He is 9 months old here. Now 3 1/2 YO, 115 lbs, 26 inches

  • zommy

    My dogs adore Diamond Maintenance. I was given a 50pound bag by the Humane Society ( i was excercising dogs and they offered up the bag for my 2 giant sized beasts) and now it’s all my black and chocolate labs will eat. Great food. They have such glossy thick coats now. And their BM’s are solid and not dry or mooshy. It’s a great quality food thats not too terribly expensive.

  • Jessica

    I am on my third bag of Diamond Naturals Extreme Athlete with my medium-sized, mixed breed dog. He’s never been a picky eater or had any issues to speak of, and on this food he has great energy and no apparent digestive issues. If you’re interested in Diamond Naturals, consider “Extreme Athlete” – even if your dog isn’t a working dog (just be mindful of the higher calorie content per cup and adjust the ration). It’s an awesome value – the protein and fat content are superior to the other blends (it has a 5-star rating; do the calculations yourself and you can see why!) Diamond Naturals seems to cater to farms so you’ll find them at many farm supply stores. Choose a reputable seller so you’ll be sure to always get a fresh bag that’s been properly stored. Rancid food will make your dog sick, so if it smells “off” then return it!

  • theBCnut

    Have you figured out how many calories you were feeding her of the old food? Try to stay close to that amount if it keeps her in good weight.

  • Karin S

    I have been trying to figure out how much dog food to feed my English Mastiff, Great Dane, Bernese Mountain Dog mix. She is 7 months old today and according to the portion recommendations should be getting about 5 cups of food per day. The calories on that is 342/cup. So her calorie intake is 1710/day. But I did a calorie requirement calculation using the formula to find the Resting Energy Requirement times a multiplier for a more than 4 month old puppy. According to this she needs 3780 cal/day. Now maybe it did not take into account her giant breedness. but it is phenomenally lower.

    I am so confused. I was thinking of changing from Diamond Naturals Large Breed Puppy food because it is on the high end of the fat and calcium intake recommended for giant breed to reduce joint problems. How on earth am I to figure out a different brand of food if I can’t even figure out the calories she needs to take in.

  • Crazy4cats

    Hi Lacey-


    Check out the above link. I’m guessing it is most likely due to being lower in protein than the others.

  • Lacey

    Can anyone tell me why the large breed puppy food is 3.5 stars only?

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    It is due to the protein content. The “Lite” recipe is quite low – almost at the industry minimum, which is 18% for adult food. The “Adult” recipe has a little more protein earning it 3.5 stars. They both don’t contain anything “negative” IMO. Some of the dogs in my care do better on a 3.5 star food than a 5 star food. I just try to pick one without anything too bad like dye, sugar, wheat mill run, generic meat and bone meal, etc…

  • G Schoenborn

    Can you please clarify why the “Diamond Naturals Lite Lamb Meal and Rice” rates 2.5 stars, and the “Diamond Naturals Adult Lamb and Rice” rates 3.5.

    I have checked the ingredients on a current bag, and other than the protein content (a lower protein per centage is recommend for my dogs currently), the positive comments above seem to apply.

    Thank you in advance

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    The large breed adult food has lower protein than the other 4 star foods and the large breed puppy food has both pea protein and potato protein – plant-based protein boosters and also garbanzo beans and peas.

  • LabsRawesome
  • LabsRawesome
  • John

    You’re absolutely right about questioning the quality control with Diamond. Over the years I’ve noticed a lot of variation not only with color, but even shape and size of kibble from the same formula bags bought at the same store only weeks apart from one another. The “151 checks” printed on bags for years and only recently dropped from the packaging was a response to several very nasty recalls. If you’re feeding Diamond you have to check each bag very carefully and keep up with the news. When it doubt, exchange it for a different bag or even flat out return it.

  • John

    Although I don’t know exactly how DogFoodAdvisor does tie breakers for .5 star rankings, here’s a likely explanation. The ingredients are listed in order before being cooked into kibble. Fresh meat loses a lot of it’s weight during cooking since it’s 90% water, so the easiest way to figure out how much is left in the bag after cooking is to “drop” the ingredient 4 places down on the ingredient list. Meat meal is therefore the 1st ingredient after cooking in all of the Diamond line, followed by several plant based ingredients, so they are all equal in that respect.

    I would imagine the large breed formulas got dropped a half star because large breed formulas tend to have lower digestible fat levels/higher digestible (and some non-digestible) carb levels (similar to but less extreme than weight loss/lite formulas). While this is good for some large breeds to slow growth and prevent obesity, it’s not good for most dogs.

  • LabsRawesome

    You are the one that should feel silly. You have no idea what you’re talking about. http://celiacdisease.about.com/od/symptomsofceliacdisease/a/Gluten-Allergy-Symptoms.htm

  • Shawna

    Umm, what do you mean there is no such thing as a gluten allergy?

  • Deborah Smith

    I guess you feel superior with that statement hope it helps you. I know there are things in this world you think you know but don’t. How rude to someone that is trying to do what’s best for their pet.

  • Deborah Smith

    Many top brands have been recalled, one was voluntary recalled.

  • Darin Clements

    Guess you feel silly now, knowing there is no such thing as a gluten allergy….

  • Carlyn Jefferson

    If it just says Diamond, then it’s a low quality food filled with corn and stuff, comparable to Purina and Hills… I’d only go for Diamond Naturals (be sure to read the bag, b/c I JUST about grabbed the “lamb and rice” bag that was Diamond, not DN. Soooo glad I didn’t make that mistake lol!)

  • Carlyn Jefferson

    I’m rather confused about the formulas – the large breed have meat and meat meal as the first two ingredients. They’re only 3.5, but the 4 star ones have meat meal, and then 3-5 plant ingredients before another meal/far is mentioned, yet they still get 4 stars. Can someone explain that to me?!?

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  • scott

    new diamond naturals is now out bought first bag dogs loving it

  • theBCnut

    Diamond is first and foremost known for not having great quality control. I don’t think this is a cooking time issue, but rather a fat and protein level issue.

  • Scshreve

    I am finding that about 40% of the time I am getting bags of food that are much darker than normal. I have seen this in the lamb and the chicken formulas. I first noticed this when my Golden would stop eating and was reluctant to finish her bowl. Very strange for her. My assumption is the batch was baked too long. Has anyone else noticed this? I buy the food from a regional farm and home chain in Oklahoma. So I’m not convinced this line has very good quality control. We used to use the high end Diamond puppy food (Performance something) and never had an issue. Thoughts?

  • Cheryl Stubbert

    Thanks Crazy4cats for the info. Looking forward to a review on this.

  • Crazy4cats

    The reviews are updated approximately every 18 months, which would make it due in June of 2014.

  • Cheryl Stubbert

    Notice your last update was made in 2012. Diamond also make a grain – free dry food. I don’t see any listing on that. It’s call Naturals Grain – Free. It comes in 3 different flavors. Chicken & Sweet Potato , Beef & Sweet Potato and Whitefish & Sweet Potato. I only been using it for 2 weeks and already have seen improvements. I have a dog that has allergies to grains & gluten.

  • theBCnut

    Definitely not. I was feeding 2 different varieties of their dry food at the time and both of them as well as every other Diamond product in every store around me was out of production for quite a while. Canned was just the very first food that they identified the problem in. And Diamond doesn’t make canned. It was a different copanies canned. That recall affected 15 different dog food manufacturers. I was also feeding Diamond for the Aflatoxin recalls, and 4Health cat food when Diamond had their cat food recall. Ridiculous!

  • Crazy4cats

    I’m not 100% sure of this, but I think only the canned food was affected.

  • theBCnut

    I thought the melamine recall in 2007 affected all the Diamond plants or was that too forever ago? Maybe the Naturals line wasn’t around then?

  • Crazy4cats

    Hi Betsy-
    I don’t know where Roy lives, but I live in the Pacific NW and we have not been affected by the Diamond recalls. I wouldn’t have even known about them if it wasn’t for this website.

  • roywhauer

    No, because my state nor the kind I fed was not affected. It did not have a recall on it.

  • Betsy Greer

    So, if you’ve been feeding it “forever,” what did you do when it was recalled and pulled from the shelves? Did that give you pause at all?

  • roywhauer

    I currently have 13 mini Dachshunds from 7 months to 15 plus years of age and have been feeding Diamond Naturals Chicken and Rice forever. I have never had a case of loose stools, their coats are nice and shiney, their weight is great, energy level fine and have not had a sick dog since i started to use this food. Its the best bang for the buck offered. I used to pay more for another high end brand and my babies did not look as good as they do on Diamond Naturals. I have used the diet on 3 rescues and it did just fine. Use the puppy for the babies up to 1 year of age. Diamond Naturals is where its at.

  • http://www.maverickdanes.com Maverick Danes

    I have had Great Danes for years and tried several different brands including Blue Diamond, Taste of the Wild, Nutro Naturals, etc. Diamond Naturals is the ONLY food I have have been using for over 3 years now. Nothing else compares. They still filled out, shiny, and healthy.

  • Ricardo Elizondo

    Extreme Athlete is recommended for my 2 years old Golden Retriever pregnant? is her first pregnant.

  • Les

    My Doberman did that with diamond before the recall and I think it was because my bulldog was eating blue buffalo and he would eat it if u mixed it then he just started picking out the blue to eat. But I noticed that while my bulldog was on diamond naturals she bled every so often like she should have been in heat but she is spayed and have not had that problem since she has been on blue.

  • magdalen

    he is a german boxer, which looks like american but is much bigger,i will post a pic soon

  • magdalen

    yes we started the half feeding, of course in the later feeding he looks at me like, hey momma don’t be so tight with the food!!!

  • Cindy Koshinski

    My Lab developed skin and coat issues which we ultimately determined to be a wheat gluten allergy, so I switched to Diamond Lamb & Rice, and Chicken & Rice dog food several years ago. It does not have the gluten grains in it. The dog’s problem cleared up and she ate both varieties well. I’m pleased to see the review and analysis here backs up my choice with 4 stars. These Diamond varieties are reasonably priced as dog food goes, and I and my dogs have been happy with them.

  • dchassett

    How cute is he? Yep! Dogs are real characters.

  • dchassett

    It is always best for all dogs IMO to feed your dogs at least twice a day. In some small instances some dogs need their meals to be broken down to three meals. Glad to hear your adding liquid to the kibble. I personally wouldn’t feed Diamond food but that’s because their history of recalls. But that wasn’t your question. Twice a day. Think of it as breakfast and dinner.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Your boxers weigh 110 lbs.? Wow. That’s very large for a boxer.

    For large dogs it’s best to divide the food into 2-3 meals per day (especially if feeding dry food) in order to decrease the risk for gastric torsion. I feel my bloodhounds morning and night.

  • Geraldine Chamberlain

    From what i found because of the boxer and poodle body shape it is easier on their stomachs to feed half and half. And I guess in general, think of it like putting all the food you would eat in one day in one meal for yourself I found with my Pittys after I could not free feed (her thyroid went bad age 5 and she got fat so we stoped free feeding)that it helped with their gas to be fed 2 times a day. We also try to not feed so late that that don’t have plenty of time to use the bathroom before bed

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    Does it look like one of these in the white bags?


  • Karen Paxson

    I bought Diamond adult small dog food. It doesn’t say Diamond Natural, is it the same?

  • InkedMarie

    So cute!

  • LabsRawesome

    Aaww, he’s cute! :)

  • Crazy4cats

    I love him! Thanks.

  • magdalen

    here’s a few, he’s so funny. in person he’s a darker black, my little panda charlie!

  • magdalen

    i will post pics as soon as i finish yard work see ya

  • Betsy Greer

    Oh my gosh, don’t taunt us like that! Pictures, please!

  • Crazy4cats

    How fun, a parti poodle! I checked out some pics on google. Very cute, indeed!

  • magdalen

    yes like she said they are 2 colors. mine is black and white and only gets trimmed ,never in a poodle cut. He looks just like a panda bear! people always ask to take pictures of him, so funny. He’s always a hit at Mardi Gras down here

  • Crazy4cats

    Thank you, I’ve never heard of it or seen one. But, I’m going to google it right now that I know it wasn’t a typo!

  • Jan_Mom2Cavs

    Crazy4cats, a parti-poodle is a poodle that is not a solid color. Have you seen poodles that have “spots”, well that is considered a parti-poodle. I hope this helps. :)

  • Crazy4cats

    That’s funny! Mine look at me like saying, where’s the rest all the time regardless of how much they get fed! lol! I do know some people that feed their dogs once a day. I just thinks that’s an awful lot of food all at once. Whatever works for you is best. BTW what is a parti poodle?

  • magdalen

    thanks crazycats, i’m trying it now but with these big guys it’s alot of work. it’s better , it’s just for them to get use to knowing at first feeding their not getting it all. they look at me like saying ,hey where’s the rest!, thanks

  • Crazy4cats

    Hi Magdalen-
    I have two 80ish pound lab mixes. I feed twice a day half and half. I also add canned food and water to both their meals. They usually get a treat such as a pig’s ear, bully stick, or raw bone an hour or so before bed time. I’m not sure if it is the right way, but it works for us!

  • Sarah

    It smells like normal dog food. I’ve seen many reviews about bad bags of the food. I thought that might’ve been the case but my husband and I have both smelled it finding out it smells normal. He’s doing really well now by putting a little bit of warm water on it.

  • Dave

    With In that price range Sportmix Wholesomes Chicken Meal and Rice is a 4 star and I buy 40 LBS for $32 at Country Max.

  • Dave

    How does the bag of food smell? I had an off bag once and my dogs wouldn’t touch it.

  • magdalen

    i feed our german boxers only diamond dog food and they love it,adding warm broth or a little can food for an extra treat. It keeps them active and healthy.I’m just curious when do most people feed,in morning ,night or half and half? Ours weigh #110,we aso have a golden and a parti poodle. Lots of doggie love thanks

  • LabsRawesome

    Hi Sarah, That’s great! I’m so glad I could help. :)

  • Sarah

    I mixed in the water like you said and WOW what a difference! He was so excited just like he was with his old food and he’s still licking his mouth clean as we speak. Thank you for your suggestion it really helped! =)

  • Annie

    My dogs did the same exact thing when I fed them diamond naturals. Even if I mixed it with canned food they nibbled at it. Must be something in the food. I switched to pro pac and what a huge difference. I’m rotating between the pro pac and lassie natural way. So far these are the only 2 foods mine will eat.

  • Sarah

    okay I thought so I really don’t want to go back to that. I’ll try the warm water or canned food, I just gave him his bowl and he wouldn’t even give it a second glance. Thank you for your help! I hope it works, I’ll reply back with the outcome.

  • LabsRawesome

    Hi Sarah, No, definitely do not go back to Pedigree. Have you tried adding some warm water to the food? How about a small amount of canned food and a little water to make the food more appetizing? Keep trying, Pedigree is like giving your dog junk food all the time, so when you try to get them to eat healthy they will be resistant.

  • Sarah

    I’ve had my dog on pedigree for awhile and recently switched to diamond naturals beef meal and rice. I mixed the pedigree and the diamond together for the first week and a half for him to get used to it. Haven’t had any problems stool wise or anything, but he used to always be so excited to eat and he would scarf down his food within 5-10 minutes. Now that he’s just on straight diamond he’s not excited anymore to eat and he will only eat a little bit of the food once to twice a day. I know when switching to a natural food pets eat less since it’s more satisfying but he’s getting weird with food. When I give him his daily feeding, give him his dog treats or peanut butter he’s extremely cautious like he doesn’t trust it or something?! I give him his recommended daily feeding which is 2-2 1/2 cups but I believe he is only eating 1 cup if that each day. He still plays normal and sleeps his normal amount throughout the day. He acts just like his normal self until it comes to food. I’m not sure what to do if I should just switch him back to pedigree(I really don’t want him on bad food but he needs to eat and like it). I even called the vet today and asked him, unfortunately he wasn’t much help to the situation. I’ve also read several reviews and a lot have said about how the food goes bad with an absolute rancid smell so I’m every morning I check the smell of it just in case that might be the reason? I also haven’t found any reviews or comments with a similar situation making things even more frustrated. Like I said he’s normal with everything except when it comes to food. If anybody has any suggestions or reasonings or anything to help please comment. I’m frustrated and worried.

  • laura

    You can get the diamond brand at Menards pretty reasonable depending on which one out buy 40 lb chicken and rice adult was 30.00

  • Ch

    Read the boove kornfeld study dont believe this body

  • Charlie x

    Bety Greere it is me time to flag me from work using tax payers money

  • Niki

    Costco’s Kirkland brand is made by Diamond and it runs $28-$30 a bag.

  • Niki

    I run a rescue and this is what we feed all our dogs including puppies.

  • Angie

    Hello Ron,
    You can most likely find this at Global Pet Foods or Bark and Fitz.

  • Bster

    Amazon has a good price on the beef and rice version.

  • Chris

    This food is Awesome don’t get anything else!I have tried a few different kinds including taste of the wild, chicken soup, solid gold, natures variety, and this by far is the best food for the buck!

  • LabsRawesome

    Hi Ron, You can find out where Diamond Naturals is sold in your area by using their store locator. http://www.diamondpet.com/dealer_locator/

  • Ron

    Whaere can I buy this in Ottawa ,Canada?

  • Sde

    I bought mine at tractor supply.

  • Aimee Winterbauer

    Pet Supplies Plus… I live in Dallas but I don’t know where many of them are…

  • Kat

    Can you tell me where you buy this in Texas for that price?

  • Aimee Winterbauer

    My dog has been eating Diamond naturals since we got him about 5 months ago… Right now we’re transitioning him from the small breed puppy food to the small breed adult food and we have no complaints about the food! This food has given our already super energetic puppy a lot more energy, does not make him sick, keeps his bowels regular, and has kept him at his ideal weight just by following the recommended food amount on the bag, not to mention it’s a great price for such great quality food! In Texas I pay $10 for a 12lbs bag

  • southga

    They call that being right!

  • Pattyvaughn

    What? That you can contribute to the same problem that you are criticizing others for, just as much as everyone else. I think they call that hypocracy.

  • southga

    Proved my point!

  • Pattyvaughn

    Then why did you post this here instead of in the Off Topic section?

  • southga

    How about deleting every single post that has nothing to do with reviewing Diamond Naturals! I am looking for comments about this specific food and not everyone’s chit chat because they have nothing better to do. Comments should be reserved for the dog food they are listed under and all others should be deleted.

  • Jennifer Jakus Powell

    Amazon sells it for $41.99 (40# bag) with free shipping. That is about $5 more a bag than what I pay here in NV at my feed store for it. I have been feeding it to my two black labs for 2 years now and they love it. Great product!

  • Carlyn Jefferson

    If I ever order online, I’ll definitely check th at out! Luckily, we have a sweet family-owned little feed store barely 5min away. (Now to find a commercial pet store like PetCo? That’s about an hour’s drive, one way…)

  • InkedMarie

    Glad you liked the card! I got one from Chewy as well, I can’t believe they handwrite them!

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Chewy’s the best. They even sent me a Christmas card this year (not as nice as yours was though!) :)

  • Crazy4cats

    Thank you. I checked out both sites and sport dog does not ship to the Pacific NW and directs you to Amazon. However, the rocket petz site is interesting. They are quite a bit cheaper, but you have to spend $69 to receive free shipping. Otherwise, to send one bag it would cost $27 to ship. Of course eating up all the savings. But, If I was going to order two bags, I would definitely consider them. I have never heard of them and a little leery of ordering from an unknown company. Thanks for the tips.

  • InkedMarie

    Here’s a couple more:


  • Crazy4cats

    I think that Amazon is the only place that you can buy Victor online though.

  • InkedMarie

    I rarely buy in person. It would be nice to buy local but since I’d have to travel at least 35 minutes, one way, to see a good supply of food, I order online. I’ve never used Amazon but Chewy.com is my favorite online dog food place to buy from. For what I order, they have the best price. Fantastic customer service as well.

  • Crazy4cats

    Yes, it comes in a sturdy appropriately sized box. No rips or tears so far. Good luck with your dogs!

  • Carlyn Jefferson

    I’ve honestly never ordered online. Good to know it works well for you! (That’s one of the reasons I haven’t tried yet… I’m so scared I might get a “bad” bag)
    Just curious, how does the food come usually? Does it just come in a box?

    (I just bought a bag of DN…I’ll never know how my dogs react until I try it, I guess… If they do bad on it though, I’m definitely going to try Victor online! I’ve heard tons of great stuff on it. )

  • Crazy4cats

    Hi Carlyn-
    Have you tried to order food online? I don’t have a Victor dealer close by either. So, I’ve ordered two 30 lb bags from Amazon with great results so far. I was worried about getting out dated or torn bags, but so far both deliveries have been excellent. I’ve also found it is not anymore expensive either. I’ve gotten free shipping both times. Good luck.

  • Carlyn Jefferson

    Honestly we can’t figure out what the intolerance is! It was really odd that she flared up after eating NutriSource, when she has much lower-quality foods and been fine (well, she had a dull coat, but not horrible hot spots)…so I am questioning if it was simply coincidence and something changed in the environment.

    I’ve heard of Victor foods, my friend uses it (her dogs did awful on Diamond Naturals)… I’m on the Oregon coast, and the nearest dealer is in Washington.

    For comparison, Nutra Nuggets is about. 25$ for 40lb. DN is 35$ for 40lb, so it’s seeming to be the most affordable 4-star food that’s nearby…

    I’ll probably end up trying it, and if it doesn’t work out, then I’ll probably go to Chicken Soup – I’ve heard lots of good reviews from that stuff, and it’s fairly affordable.

  • Betsy Greer

    Hi Carlyn Jefferson,

    Using Nutra Nuggets dealer locator, I can’t find anyone within a 50 mile radius of Where I live (Chicago area) that sells the product… which seems weird. I tried to find it at an online retailer, but couldn’t. Point being, I have no idea how much it costs to give you some comparisons.

    I seem to recall you mentioning that you had tried NutriSource and had a problem with it, but it’s definitely one of my favorite budget friendly foods. Are you certain that your dog had a problem with NutriSource, if so, did you narrow down the intolerance?

    Several other budget friendly foods I’d recommend are Dr. Tim’s, Victor (you can buy it from Amazon if you can’t find it locally), 4Health (grain free only, which is made by Ainsworth – the grain inclusive is made by Diamond), Pro Pac (contains corn) and Infinia (made by PMI Nutrition – the horse feed division of Purina).

  • Carlyn Jefferson

    I’m wanting to upgrade from Nutra Nuggets. My dogs have pretty stable tummies (our senior girl has to stay away from NN since corn/soy/wheat give her skin troubles), but I’ve heard of some reeeeally bad experiences from some owners.

    I can’t afford too much since I have 3 40+lb dogs, but it seems to be the most affordable 4-star food nearby.

    If any of you have experimented with dog foods, can you tell me what foods your dog has done well on, what foods he’s done bad on, and if he does/did good on Diamond Naturals?

    Here’s a list of foods I’ve done and results: (for comparison)

    Dog Chow: Awful
    Dog Lover’s Gold: Pretty good
    Wenaewe: Great (not enough proteins, so I had to feed more than I wanted to)
    Hill’s Science: average
    Nutra Nuggets: average
    Paramount: average

    I want to try it…but at the same time, I don’t want to buy a bag, then find out a month later that the dogs are doing bad on it.

  • Shawna

    Hi Big C,

    I foster Boston Terriers — they are such a hoot!!! I have found that the better the quality of the food the less likely they are to have gas and to snore (another trait of theirs).. :)

    I also found adding a high quality probiotic (like the one on Mercola Healthy Pets or Garden of Life’s Primal Defense (a human product) helps even the ones that aren’t completely helped by diet. The good quality ones are pricey but probiotics are not a supplement that need to be given day in and day out. Using them for a week once or twice a month, and after antibiotics etc are given, is “usually” enough to keep the gut populated..

  • Big C

    I have been feeding the small breed puppy formula to my 8 month old Boston Terrier since he was 3 months and he loves it. A 20 lb. bag at Tractor Supply costs $22, which is a hell of a lot cheaper than some of these other brands out there and it was given a 5 star rating. He has had no digestive or skin issues and his gas isn’t nearly as bad as some of the other Bostons that I have been around. I would highly recommend this, especially since it’s only slightly more expensive than dog food you would find at Wal Mart.

  • Dr J

    NOW you are asking a big question. In terms of issues with gluten, the polypeptides are definitely from gluten. Now as other proteins, if I would know that I guess you would have seen my name crop up as a Nobel price candidate. This is a hot field of debate and quite frankly I am as a cell biologist only marginally in touch with that field.
    So I would not want to let myself too much out on the thinner end of the branches.

    Lectins are actually very interesting molecules because they have the ability to interact with glycoproteins and hence have profound effects on cell signalling pathways, for the good or the bad.

  • Shawna

    One final question and then I have to leave my office for the day and probably won’t have a chance to get back on til tomorrow..

    The polypeptides that are causing the issue, are they from lectin proteins (glycoproteins / prolamins) or from any protein? And if any, why do some cause an IgE response while others cause IgA/IgG?

    How should I word my conversations regarding these so as not to offend scientists but not get too technical with lay persons? There’s a fine line in some cases I’ve discovered.. I’ve gotten in trouble for being “too technical” many a time.. :)

    Thanks for the discussion… This is a topic that REALLY interests me…

    PS — I’ve read that the lectins in bananas are being studied for their use with HIV and others for cancer.. Good and bad in all things….

  • Dr J

    You see now we are getting into the weeds of science, because there is a whole different way these terms are being used. You have to separate when people talk generally about gluten, as to in gluten free diet. This is done because Joe Blog gets the term gluten free, but probably has little to no understanding when one tells him, yes it is gluten but not the whole gluten protein but a denatured subpart called a polypeptide. The Cornell article you just quoted looks at the lectin as a whole, which obviously has biofunctionallity, because plants make them. These lectins have also effects in cellular studies, where they are used as the whole, like peanut agglutinin, which have used to prevent salmonella infections in intestinal cell lines. The problem starts when terms are used loosely and they start meaning something different to different people.

  • Shawna

    “By-products” Yeah, poor choice of words just what came to mind as I was typing and didn’t take the time to think it through… :)

  • Shawna

    Here’s another source (I would think to be reliable?) discussing “lectins” not polypeptides.. Why do you suppose they do that?? Very confusing and frustrating!!! http://www.ansci.cornell.edu/plants/toxicagents/lectins.html

  • Dr J

    Well it would not call it a by-product, because proteins are build by amino acids, which the form polypeptides. It is more a breakdown product. If I recollect correctly the abstract of Cordain was actually talking about polypeptides rather than the entire protein which is about. Gluten is a high molecular weight protein that if I am not wrong can go into the millions of kilo Dalton’s.

  • Shawna

    Okay so the food, once digested, is still the problem but it is not the lectin itself but a by-product of the lectin?

    Any thoughts why Cordain and others wouldn’t discuss the by-product versus the lectin? That seems deceiving.

  • Dr J

    My guess all food may have one or the other substance that may have a mutagenic effect, we just have not found it yet. It is all a matter of dose. The worst offender are likely to be processed foods with all the colorings and preservatives.

  • Dr J

    The problem is not the lectin per se, but the polypeptides that ensue when a protein is broken down. These polypeptide chains can still cause inflammatory responses by interacting with cell receptors etc.

  • Shawna

    When you say “every food” are you referring specifically to processed foods or to all food?

    It would be nice to see a few more studies done…

  • Shawna

    Not saying you are wrong and not wanting to start something but I do want to discuss this as it definitely interests me..

    Most of the data I’ve read comes from Cordain and a few others. Cordain talks about lectins and rheumatoid arthritis in this abstract.. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10884708

    There’s also several products on the market that are supposed to bind with certain glucosamine binding lectins to prevent the damage from said lectins — N-acetyl glucosamine as an example.

    What I can’t wrap my head around is WHY there would be supplements and research if cooking was all it took to resolve the lectin binding issue?

  • Dr J

    I am certain that there will be mutagenic compounds in pretty much every food you can find. It also plays an important role what model was employed.

  • Shawna

    My girl developed skin issues in a matter of two months when she was (from memory) about 4 years old. I did an elimination diet for her — she gets raw so I had to switch her to ostrich and I think I used sweet potato as the starch. She was on that diet for about three months —- VERY EXPENSIVE three months.. When I introduced food back in, these were the foods that she reacts to — gluten grains (I was giving her barley which I believe caused the issue to begin with), cow tripe, cow bone and goat milk.

  • Dr J

    Uhhh, wrong gluten gets denature just like any other protein when subjected to heat or acid (like the stomach) or peptidases but the small polypeptide structure that cause the immune reactions will not. To my knowledge there is only one protein that is pretty much resistant to anything and that is the prion protein.

  • Shawna

    OMGosh LOL!!! Oh no she didn’t!!! Hee hee hee

    I have one that will eat just about anything as well…..two actually.. Caught the Papillon mix stealing a dirty diaper from the trash over the weekend.. Blah!!!!!!!!!!!! Okay, I think we have sufficiently managed to gross everyone out… :)

  • Stefanie Kuhlman

    HAHA…they were brand new victoria secrets still in the bag. My daughter was furious!!! Well put them away….I said. I think we will have to go back to trying a limited ingredient dog food for him. Mine eats anything and has no problems: including partially digested vomited underpants….yep she went there! This was all back in 2008 and she is still normal: well in the belly department anyway. Thanks for all of your help on this!!! I actually rec allergy shots due to my allergy to these guys!!! We are one big allergy family!!!

  • Shawna

    I’ve read that some are and some aren’t.. Depends on the individual food. They certainly don’t seem to be in the case of gluten/gliadin.

    It is my understanding that the lectins in beans are water soluble and that is why it has been passed down from generation to generation to “drain the soaking water” off beans before cooking.

  • Shawna

    Your vet tech friend is technically right but there is a BIG but… :)

    True “allergies” cause an immunoglobulin E (IgE) reaction in the body and are almost always (if not always) to proteins — cat “dander” is protein as is the pollen that some are allergic to as examples. However, ALL foods have some protein in them — even grain. That being said, I’ve read over and over again that true food “allergies” are pretty rare.

    Much more common is a food “intolerance” which causes an immunoglobulin A (IgA) and/or immunoglobulin G (IgG) reaction in the body. Celiac disease and gluten intolerance are examples of a food intolerance to wheat.

    And yeah, unfortunately dogs can most certainly have an intolerance to wheat. Vet Dr. John Symes discusses it on his website “Gluten Intolerance & Pets” http://dogtorj.com/what-is-food-intolerance/gluten-intolerance/ WGA is another protein in wheat that can affect dogs.

    Have to wonder what on earth must have been the deal with those underpants!!!! ;) Holy moly!!!!

    PS — A friend of mine has a dog that reacts with tummy rumblings and digestive issues to green beans in the raw diet she feeds…..err, to the protein in the green beans that is.

  • Dr J

    It is a rib-eye cut that is nicely marbled for the extra taste of fat and juiciness of the steak.

  • Stefanie Kuhlman

    Reggie is an IBS/skin allergy dog regardless of what he gets. I think to rule things out for him we would have to go plain Jane and add things in. Although, we did try the hamburger/rice recommendation from many breeders that use that when their dogs bellies upset. He wouldn’t touch it: he’s just Reggie. We did have to take him to the vet recently as I panicked that he had skin cancer. It was a skin issue but of the allergy kind- a histamine response. I cannot remember the name of it but his labs came back as not needing to BX the area. It was a raised flat-topped round dark spot that grew super fast. Then the majority of the top fell off. When his inflammation went down so did it. Now he gets them off and on with his flare ups. I worry more about the damage this constant heightened histamine response is doing to the rest of his body. But I also do not want to keep feeding him benadryl

  • Shawna

    Ha ha!!! I don’t know what a dolmenico steak is but a grilled fillet does sound mighty taste right now!!!! YUMMMM

  • Dr J

    Just talking about grilling wants me to go out and get a dolmenico steak….

  • Shawna

    I agree with Dr J Stefanie… You can keep the bag in the container for extra protection. I would also store in “dark cool place” as Dr J recommends..

    Initially, just like when switching to any high quality food, some diarrhea may be observed. In my experience it is off and on and generally has some mucous. Sometimes starts out as normal poo and ends as diarrhea too. If it is just a transition thing, a good quality probiotic and plain canned pumpkin can help A LOT.. I do think some dogs may have issues digesting raw (several nutritionists that recommend raw have stated this) but I think it is likely not the norm..

    A specific ingredient in any food can cause digestive issues though — chicken, potato, grains, eggs are some of the foods that can have that affect.

  • Dr J

    Lectins should be denatured when the food is cooked.

  • Shawna

    Orijen is a food I rely on for my fosters and for my own when I don’t have raw available/thawed as well…

  • Shawna

    Interesting in my opinion.. Just stumbled across this

    “Almost No Research Exists on Potential Carcinogens in Processed Pet Food

    I was able to find only one other journal article related to pet foods and potential carcinogens. The study is titled “Mutagenic Activity and Heterocyclic Amine Carcinogens in Commercial Pet Foods,” published in July 2003 in the journal Mutation Research. What this study showed was that out of 25 commercial pet foods analyzed for mutagenic activity (the ability to induce mutations in cells), all but one had a positive response. Fourteen of the 25 foods were analyzed for heterocyclic amine mutagens or carcinogens, and all but one contained a carcinogen.

    Dr. Turesky says he can take out the hair shaft, cut it, break it open,
    and do chemical analysis on it using mass spectrometry methods. He first
    decided to try this on his own dogs to see if he could detect exposure
    to a potential carcinogen in their fur. He wasn’t really expecting to get a positive result because his dogs don’t eat grilled steaks or hamburgers. So he was very surprised – stunned, in fact – to find that his dogs did indeed have the carcinogen in their fur.

    Almost No Research Exists on Potential Carcinogens in Processed Pet Food

    I was able to find only one other journal article related to pet foods and potential carcinogens. The study is titled “Mutagenic Activity and Heterocyclic Amine Carcinogens in Commercial Pet Foods,” published in July 2003 in the journal Mutation Research. What this study showed was that out of 25 commercial pet foods analyzed for mutagenic activity (the ability to induce mutations in cells), all but one had a positive response. Fourteen of the 25 foods were analyzed for heterocyclic amine mutagens or carcinogens, and all but one contained a carcinogen.” http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2013/05/27/cooked-meat-carcinogens.aspx

    Of course, we don’t know the quality of the kibble in the above or if the study was legit or not?

  • Stefanie Kuhlman

    Only one of two pits has belly and skin issues and it did not start until he ate a pair of underwear. YES that is right! He did vomit it up two days later but since then he has his ups and downs. I was told by a vet tech friend of mine that it is more the proteins that dogs have allergies to not grains/wheat: she went so far as to say they cannot have gluten allergy or sensitivity and it is usually the chicken that is the culprit. I am believing my daughter will have to look at lamb and potato, or beef and something but I want her to try no rice. My other just whines and farts a lot so I feel her belly must bother her also. Her stools are never and issue though. The other will actually not eat for 24-48 hours and vomit bile and have diarrhea and skin flairs up. Once the bout is over he is back to normal until the next. About once/month. JEEZE these dogs!

  • Dr J

    I would keep your food in a dark cool place. There are enough ingredients in food generally that can get oxidized once opened and more so when exposed to light in an environment which is subjected to temperature changes, obviously unless you life in a very temperate and constant climate.

  • Stefanie Kuhlman

    AH HELL: we store our food in a large plastic container that is clear and on the porch. No sun hits it but I did not even think of how kibble is in dark bags and all the added oils and break down with improper exposure. We go through the bag in a month is this quick enough or go back to storing in bag? We did the container for easier access. And as far as raw. We did for a week but I got nervous that the food was looking the same on the way out as in, so was worried they were absorbing nothing: would that seem to be the case with what it looked like? The little veggies I used were very small as pulverized in a food processor. Also if I go back to raw I was looking at green tripe for the nutrient/vitamin replacement. Any suggestions on that.

  • Dr J

    That is why I feed Orijen it has Omega-3 and is slowly cooked at 195oF

  • Shawna

    I’m not sure there is any clear cut evidence that omega 3 goes bad in kibble or not but I’ve always wondered why the AAFCO doesn’t “require” omega 3 as it does omega 6 (known to be more stable) if not for viability reasons?

  • Dr J

    My guess is that one would smell rancid fish oils, even in kibble. There is a reason why it is called rancid.

    I seriously doubt that kibble is subjected to high enough temperatures. This would mean the kibble basically gets burned. Even rendering will not use temperatures over 280 degrees…..just a thought

  • Shawna

    PS, we’ve had the HA discussion here several times in the past. Research was pulled up then but I don’t remember where / what thread it was under. The below is the gist of what was discussed back then though.

    “The formation of HCAs and PAHs varies by meat type, cooking method, and “doneness” level (rare, medium, or well done). Whatever the type of
    meat, however, meats cooked at high temperatures, especially above 300ºF (as in grilling or pan frying), or that are cooked for a long time tend to form more HCAs. For example, well done, grilled, or barbecued chicken and steak all have high concentrations of HCAs. Cooking methods that expose meat to smoke or charring contribute to PAH formation (2).” http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/cooked-meats

  • Shawna

    Omega 3 in gel caps is one thing but if you look at oils in bottles they are always recommended to be stored in the fridge once opened. As well as being in dark colored glass/plastic. And then to be used within a certain time frame. The quality ones also have added vitamin E (which is added the the “fat” in kibble but not, from what I can tell, to the omega 3 fats (be it oils or fish).

    Apparently some bags are not exactly air tight and owners not aware of the issue may let excess amounts of light/air in the bag — which apparently breaks down the vitamin E and causes further rancidity.

    Dr. Demian Dressler of the dog cancer blog has an article titled “Dog Food” Is There a Cancer Risk?”.

    “Do dogs eat food that has been exposed to high temperatures? The truth is: yes.” http://www.dogcancerblog.com/dog-food-is-there-a-cancer-risk/#.Uou_VOIhFAg

    Not saying Dr. Dressler is right, not saying he isn’t…

  • Dr J

    Just a quick question or two. Why do you think that the omega-3 oils should be rancid. I have a bottle of fish oils in my cupboard and they have not gone rancid at all in nearly 2 years. Also why do you worry about hetrocyclic amines and polyacrylamides in kibble? You would need to expose the meat to very high temperatures for these to form, such as charbroiling or grilling a steak and as far as I am aware this does not happen when producing kibble.

  • Shawna

    Barley and contaminated oats have the same gluten protein as what is found in wheat. I’ve never understood why individuals suggest the avoidance of wheat but then recommend barley (or oats that haven’t been confirmed gluten free)??

  • Shawna

    Hi Stefanie,

    Grains have an anti-nutrient called phytic acid (or phytates) that bind with minerals and prevent their absorption. Grains also have trypsin enzyme inhibitors.

    Hi temperature cooking (and potentially the type and length of cooking time) deactivate the enzyme inhibitors. In home prepared foods it is quite likely that the trypsin inhibitor will survive the cooking process. When consumed it will make it more difficult for your dog to utilize the protein in the food fed.

    Phytates are not damaged by cooking. To compensate for this, a truly “balanced” diet (either raw or kibble) will have extra minerals added.

    Additionally, about 30% of foods have a protein, called a lectin, that resists digestion. ALL grains have lectins. If a dog frequently eats a lectin it is intolerant of it can cause some pretty nasty illness including, IBD/IBS, ulcerative colitis, auto-immune diseases etc. Of course, not ever dog is intolerant of every lectin but sometimes the symptoms aren’t seen til the disease is set in and the damage is done — in humans they know that lectins can cause type 1 diabetes and a specific type of kidney disease as examples.

    There are no nutrients, I am aware of, in grains that can not be supplied by more “species appropriate” foods or foods that don’t have the same consequences as grains. So, in my opinion, the only reason to add grains is to cut the cost of the food bill — which in some cases can lead to higher vet bills. A magnesium deficiency (potentially caused by the phytates in grains), as an example, can cause seizures. Not worth the risk in my opinion…

  • Shawna

    Hi Phily Philler,

    I’m a raw feeder but I do primarily use commercial diets or premixes. And I agree with you that an unbalanced raw diet is certainly not healthful.

    My question for you as a veterinary dietician however is this — do you have any issues with nutrients that could be missing from dry foods? Example – not all foods have omega 3 and those that do may be rancid before being consumed. Others use flax seed/oil and I have read research stating adult dogs can’t reliably convert ALA to DHA/EPA. Also, I see alpha and mixed tocopherols added to kibbled diets but I never see any of the tocotrienols added back in. Are they not needed or possibly it hasn’t been discovered how to reliably add them? There could be others yet to be discovered as well?

    Are you concerned with the heterocyclic amines and polyacrylamides in many dry foods?

    PS, the dog in my avatar has had chronic kidney disease since birth – symptoms noticed at six weeks of age but not officially diagnosed til one year blood eval.. She has been fed raw since she was weaned and is now seven and a half years old and doing fantastic — no meds, never required sub-q fluids or a special diet etc. The only time her symptoms deviate from polyuria and polydipsia is when I get lazy or forget to thaw and feed her kibble several meals in a row.

  • Philly Philler

    I see a lot of advice being given out in regards to raw diets. As a veterinary dietician I can tell you that freelancing with a raw diet is not a safe way to feed a dog. Commercial dog foods, including Diamond naturals are specifically formulated to be all-encompassing of an animals vitamin, mineral, and overall dietary needs. Feeding a homemade raw diet causes issues with imbalances in nutrient content and cause some pretty severe ill-effects in animals. You might feel “green” or “organic” by doing this, but unless you’re following some strict recipes that have been reviewed and tested you should really exercise some caution here. Despite having some recalls, we see the least amount of allergen responses with diamond food in comparison to other similar level foods in the price range. It’s really a pretty good dry dog food. You can certainly spend more money and purchase higher quality foods like Blue Buffalo and those are good too, as well as food that is at a lower price level. There likely isn’t a name brand dry dog food out there that is truly bad for your dog, it just depends on where your comfort level is with what you’re feeding them. Obviously if they have allergies, there’s more than just a brand name to analyze but ingredient list as well.

  • http://enria.org/ Storm’s Mom

    Why don’t you understand that those foods did not work for her because they contain an ingredient she’s allergic to, and there are others – like Nature’s Logic, NV Instinct which have been recommended to you before – that should work for her?! (obviously, no one can say any food will work for her, but I would think that now that you do have a food that works, that you can go back to if others don’t work, it would give you more courage – not less! – to venture out and find other foods without the problem ingredients!!!)

    Now that you know what the problem ingredients are, you would hopefully want to find something …anything.. else for her because you hopefully care about her long term health. For the life of me I cannot understand why you wouldn’t want to “rock the boat” for the likes of healthful foods without the problematic ingredients…because, like I said, at least if they do not work you can always go back to something you’ve found that works. Nothing ventured, nothing gained…and she’s got so much to gain. You may think she’s in “perfect” health, but in reality, she’s at the bottom of the barrel nutritionally, and not going to get any better while you feed her what you’re feeding her.

  • Shawna

    Because a dog is intolerant of an ingredient in one food and not another does not make the food with poor quality ingredients magically more nutritious. I do understand your reasons for feeding it but trying to suggest it is better than it is to a group of educated people isn’t going to get you very far.

    My dog with kidney disease and my Pom would both be VERY sick on Purina Dog Chow. One is intolerant of chicken and develops ulcerative colitis with exploding diarrhea, stomach noise etc. The other is intolerant of gluten and her eosinophil white blood count sky rockets, she begins wetting the bed in her sleep, gets super itchy across her shoulders, feet and armpits, skin gets crimson red and hot across her shoulders etc..

    Those same two as well as the other six in my home do fantastically on Earthborn, Natures Variety etc.

    ANY way you look at it Purina Dog Chow is poor quality. It is the
    equivalent (or worse actually) to feeding a child McDonalds for every
    meal. Can a child survive on McDonalds and even “appear” to be healthy — absolutely. Doesn’t mean a diet of only McDonalds is truly health
    promoting though.

  • JRO

    I never said you would have huge vet bills if you feed Purina, but I don’t think any dog can be truly healthy being fed corn and meat by-products long term.
    The NV LID foods have peas in them, so if she is allergic to peas those foods obviously won’t work for her. The NV Instinct foods don’t have peas in them (however the Beef & Lamb formula and the Salmon formula both have pea starch in them. The Chicken, Rabbit, and Duck & Turkey formulas are completely pea-free). I have the same question as beaglemom, why don’t you just make her food yourself? That would allow you to make a high-quality dog food completely free of anything she is allergic to.

  • beaglemom

    May I ask why you are unwilling to prepare her food yourself? And why you continue to visit this website if you think the ratings (and the rest of us) are a big joke?

  • somebodysme

    Believe me, I’m very well educated on the subject but I have to feed my dog something she can eat and I’m just not going to cook for her nor am I going to feed a raw diet. When I found out that before we got her when she had NO skin problems, she was being fed Dog Chow…I immediately went and bought a bag and immediately she improved. The improvement is remarkable. NV LID is one of the foods she was on for a while and only got worse and worse. I have not tried EVO but as long as she is doing great on DC, I am not going to rock the boat. She has perfect stool, no anal gland issues. She poos only twice a day as opposed to 4 or 5 times a day on the fancy foods. Her fur is beautiful and her eyes no longer water. Honestly, she’s perfect now. Why would I want anything else for her. We’ve already been down that road with nothing but sickness…never again! I have to laugh when they all try and tell everyone that if you feed Purina, you’ll have huge vet bills…well I had huge vet bills feeding NV and Natural Balance, Earthborn Holistics, Blue Buffalo, Simply Nourish, Zignature….

  • JRO

    Have you tried Evo or Nature’s Variety Instinct? These are both really good foods (I believe they’re both rated 5 stars) and are free of rice and peas. They are much higher quality than Purina Dog Chow.
    Have you read the ingredient list on the Dog Chow? It’s basically all corn and soy with a bit of “meat meal”, “animal digest” and artificial colors thrown in. It may seem like he is thriving now, but the lower quality ingredients will eventually catch up with him and could cause health problems. I would try either the Evo or Nature’s Variety Instinct if you haven’t already

  • Tony Kaczmarski

    my american bulldog loves the 60+ largebreed,no problems here

  • somebodysme

    And then some dogs can’t eat the high quality grain free foods, like my dog. They made her skin a total mess. Her paws looked like she was walking in acid! She can only eat just a very simple food, right now just plain old Purina Dog Chow which she has been on 2 months approx., and is thriving on. She is very allergic to rice and is allergic to peas too. She is not allergic to soy, wheat and/or corn…go figure! I would be too afraid to try anything else, it’s been a total nightmare trying food after food.

  • JRO

    I think the whole grains or no grains thing just depends on the dog, and the quality. Grains aren’t necessarily bad, as long as they are good quality grains like brown rice, oatmeal, or barley. No corn, wheat, or soy. Then it just depends on the dog. I don’t think grains are as big an allergen as a lot of people think. Many people will see their dog not doing well on a lower quality kibble and they automatically blame grain. When they switch to a grain free food and their dog starts doing better, their “suspicions are confirmed”. The thing is, grain free foods are usually high quality, so when they switch from something like Beneful or Alpo to a high quality grain free food like Merrick, Evo, TOTW, etc., the change they see in their dog may just be from being on a higher quality kibble, not necessarily from going grain free. However some dogs do have a legitimate grain allergy and should be on grain free.

  • Stefanie Kuhlman

    Thanks. All I ever hear is dogs should not have grains: especially when you look into doing raw. Yet so many kibbles have rice…whats thoughts on that? I did raw for a week and the dogs were not begging or seeming hungry all the time. My only concern was the food looked the same coming out as going in so I was fearing they were not absorbing anything. But the whiney dog stopped whining while she ate raw. I chopped everything up really small in food processor. By the end of the week both dogs had diarrhea so stopped that. It is normal to have first few days, but this was a week into it. I am frustrated

  • InkedMarie

    I’m not a fan of either one. I agree you should switch. Look at Dr Tim’s, Victor, whole earth farms as possibilities

  • Pattyvaughn

    It sounds like one of your dogs may have a food intolerance to one of the ingredients in the food. I would get it off of that food really quickly.

  • Stefanie Kuhlman

    I have two pits. Also bought Diamond at Menards: it was on sale for 26/30ish pounds. Dogs have been on for at least 4 months. One is shedding horribly, and super stinky gas, and whines all day, and pink w stress. The other is back to eating his own stool. To me these are signs of bacteria in one and malabsorbtion in the other. Still have to large bags left (grandfather had to get as many as he could since on sale). We were on Nutro before w no problems. Sounds like yes I should switch back but want feedback. Thanks (and who wants some Diamond dog food ;) )

  • Lauren
  • Betsy Greer

    Hi Cramer,

    I don’t see that Craig mentioned a recall or told anyone not to buy anything.

  • Cramer

    People on here are ridiculous! Just like humans, not every kind of food will agree with your dogs stomach or digestion. Just because your dog had a bad experience with it doesn’t mean all dogs will. Diamond naturals is a good food. There is a large breed formula for puppies and adults. People need to research the recalls before telling others not to buy.

  • Pweldon

    Thank you. Will post pic if I can figure out how to. :)

  • Betsy Greer

    LUCKY!!! I’m so jealous!

    Cavaliers are the very best. I have one who just turned two and she is my little sweetie.

    Assuming you have other choices, I would not feed your precious pup Diamond products as their history of recalls and handling of same is deplorable. Ingredient panel alone, yes, this food looks good, but there are far better choices out there based on far more than just ingredients.

    If budget is a factor, you can usually feed a higher quality of food since Cavs are so tiny they’re less expensive to feed. I’d take a look at the best foods lists and see what you like taking into consideration if you plan to order online, shop local and any budget constraints you might have. There are lots of foods on the list that I like and use. Find several foods you really like and rotate every bag. Add fresh foods like sardines or canned toppers to kibble or investigate a raw diet.

    If my Cavalier was the only dog mouth I had to feed at my house, I’d feed her the best commercial raw diets.

  • P Weldon

    We are about to get a Cavalier King spaniel pup (8 weeks). Is there a brand better suited to this breed?

  • Lisa Adams

    Thank you, good to know, I will give this food a try,many folks around here use it and love it, Thanks again

  • Pattyvaughn

    Hi Lisa
    Hot spots are not due to thick coat, they are an infection and they can be brought on by reactions to food intolerances, so if they new food doesn’t take care of the problem, keep looking. Pay attention to the ingredients list on the foods you try and maybe you will be able to determine which ingredient(s) your dog is reacting to.

  • Lisa Adams

    I just got a bag of Diamond 60+, I have a large breed, karakachan, he has had hot spots all summer due to his thick coat, he was going through a big bag of Purina in about a week, someone told me to change to this, so I started today, I will check back in a week and let you know how he is doing

  • Dan

    I just put my dog on this. Within a week she looked better played more had a softer coat and all and all better. And hey…cars are recalled all the time it don’t stop people from buying them. Diamond has my business.

  • terrance tbird

    We’ve been feeding our blue weim Naturals Lamb and Rice for 2 years now and have had 0 problems with runny stools, allergies, or any of that. It was highly recommended by our breeder, and I doubt we’ll ever change. For those who are afraid of the recalls, a quick research on them will reveal the recall was voluntary and no illness was ever reported. The last recall was in May of 2012. You’d be pretty amazed at how many pet food recalls occur each year via the FDA veterinary page.

  • codyjarret

    Is He a Blue Pit?? I have a Blue Pit and a Red pit. My Blue has had skin problems since he was 8 months old. Blues are known to have skin issues. I stay away from Lamb. Ive been feeding him Chicken n Rice for about 7 months now and giving him fish oil every other day and it has helped.

  • Storm’s Mom

    The ratings are based on the ingredient lists and nutrient profiles of all the kibbles in the line, that’s it. It doesn’t take recall history into account at all. “On paper” this is a 4 star food, except for the special cases noted in the review above.

  • Greyhound Mom

    What do you feed?

  • InkedMarie

    Up top, click on library, then frequently asked questions then “how we rate dog food”

  • Trudy

    Why on earth did this brand get 4 stars? They have had recalls on their dog food multiple times! I wouldn’t feed this brand or any of its subsidiaries to my dogs, no way.

  • Lolasmom

    I recently got an American Bully which is a bull dog pit bull mix who was weaned at 4 weeks we started her on iams smart puppy with puppy supplement milk. since iams large breed puppy was unavailable at our pet smart. 3 weeks after having her in our home she developed a condition in her wrists which caused them to bow out! She also would bloat terribly after eating to the point I thought her stomach would burst. My vet suggested we switch to any large breed puppy formula. After lots of research I decided to go with a no corn no wheat no soy food and I found diamond naturals lamb and rice large breed puppy at Menards our local hardware store. She has been on this food for one week and she has no bloating after meals. on Iams she would poop with in 10 minutes of eating now she can go 2 hours after a meal but the vet said it is because she is actually getting the nutrients from the food so it is normal. Also her legs are much better! and it costs less than Iams! We are so happy with Diamond naturals dog food!

  • Cheri Beth Stackpole

    I just switched my dogs, one of which is an American Bulldog from Taste of the Wild to Diamond Naturals Grain-free. They seem to be doing very well so far.

  • Storm’s Mom

    Nothing! Please do not feed this to your GD puppy, it is not an appropriate food for a large breed puppy. Large breed puppies have specific nutritional needs, such an low calcium. Below is a link to a list of foods that are appropriate to large breed puppies, compiled by Hound Dog Mom, one of the large freed puppy nutrition experts on this site. You should ONLY feed a food from this list:


    You might also want to check out the Large and Giant Breed Puppy Nutritions in the forums. To get there, click on “Forums” at the top of this page, and then “Canine Diet and Nutrition”, then “Large and Giant Breed Puppy Nutrition” (currently 2nd discussion down).

  • Craig Lancaster

    how much diamond should I feed my Great Dane puppy.she is 15 weeks and 45 pounds.

  • DrEvo8

    Thank you for the info Greyhound Mom. My dog is currently on his third bag of Natural Balance (white fish and sweet potato…LID) and while he seems to like it, he seems to have developed some sort of skin rash in certain areas of his body. I don’ know if it’s the food but that is the only thing that has changed in the past month or two. The breeder and several of the people who got dogs from her seem to really enjoy Diamond and have had no issues with it as far as I know. I’m going to purchase TOTW this week and gradually introduce it into his food an see how he does on that for a while. Thanks again for the info!

  • Greyhound Mom

    TOTW is a better product. Higher quality ingredients. I’ve used Diamond Naturals and TOTW, and my dogs seems to prefer TOTW also. We’re using Natural Balance now because I had to switch one dog so I switched them all. But we’re considering going back to TOTW now that the one dog is in heaven. (RIP).
    Good luck.

  • DrEvo8

    Dumb question perhaps but does anyone know how the regular Diamond Naturals compares to Taste of the Wild which is also a Diamond product? I have an American Bulldog mixed with Cane Corso who is a year old now. The breeder had him on Diamond but I switched him to Blue Buffalo Wilderness after a couple of months due ro the many recalls related to Diamond. I have also had him on Merrick which he does not seem to like anymore. I’m considering Diamond Natural but the feed store owner suggested Taste of the Wild. Just wondering which would be better for him quality wise. Thank you in advance!

  • mike

    I have 4 dogs 3 american bulldogs 2 chi wenies and a fila iooking for a good dry food for sensitive skin looking at diamond

  • Nancy Leahy

    He is thriving and he is eating more the the highest amount suggested by the vet and manufacturer. He does not have worms but he maybe having a growth spurt.

  • Pattyvaughn

    She really didn’t say how skinny that is other than compared to the other puppy, and it is healthier for large and especially giant breed puppies to be very lean while they are growing rapidly, but if the puppy is nothing but a rack of bones, I agree. However, if it has good muscle tone, I wouldn’t worry about weight nearly as much as quality of food.

  • Greyhound Mom

    I would really consider upping his food intake, if he’s that skinny. Puppies should not be skinny.

  • Pattyvaughn

    Try reading this for info on the concerns when feeding a large breed puppy and good suggestions for food.


  • Nancy Leahy

    I had a seven month female Kuvasz on Innova and she was thriving but there were many recalls. Sadly my dog ate my husbands medicine and died and I now have another Kuvasz I tried to put the dog on the same food but again it was recalled. The breeder and vet both suggested Diamond large breed puppy lamb rice formula. The stool was a little runny so I began adding 1 tablespoon of pumpkin. And I also mix rice and a protein either ground beef, fish or chicken. The pup gets 1/4 cup of the rice/ protein mixture with his two cups of kibble. My worry is that he is eating what the bag says to give him. Perhaps 1/4 of a cup more but he is very skinny. My former pup a female was thirty percent heavier. So is this Diamond large breed puppy food adequate? I thought because I was adding to it that it was fine. Now I am not so sure. Any answers I will appreciate.

  • Pattyvaughn

    Just so you understand, the runs were probably related to the allergy. And you need to save the ingredients label, so when you find another food that your dog is allergic to, you can compare ingredients and maybe figure out what your dog is sensitive to. Chicken and grains are both common culprits.

  • Andrew Molder

    Diamond Naturals Large Breed Puppy Lamb and Rice gave my Dogo Argentino the runs and a skin allergy.

  • Pepsi’s Mom

    Naturals does make a grain free product. I am starting my pit/lab mix on it as she has skin issues as well. She has been on grain-free food for about 2 months, and it has almost eliminated her ear infections. She was originally eating Authority, which is a petsmart exclusive. I am switching for more variety and to be able to buy a bigger back on once. If you have a wholesale pet place near you, they may carry it for a better price. Good Luck!

  • Pattyvaughn

    It could also be a chicken allergy. They are pretty common.