Brothers Complete Advanced Allergy Care (Dry)

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Rating: ★★★★★

Brothers Complete Advanced Allergy Care Dog Food receives the Advisor’s top rating of 5 stars.

The Brothers Complete Advanced Allergy Care product line includes three dry dog foods, each claimed to meet AAFCO nutrient profiles for all life stages.

The following is a list of recipes available at the time of this review.

  • Brothers Complete Lamb and Egg Formula
  • Brothers Complete Turkey and Egg Allergy Care
  • Brothers Complete Venison and Egg Allergy Care

Brothers Complete Venison and Egg Allergy Care was selected to represent the other products in the line for this review.

Brothers Complete Venison and Egg Allergy Care

Dry Dog Food

Estimated Dry Matter Nutrient Content

Protein = 36% | Fat = 18% | Carbs = 39%

Ingredients: Venison meal, dried whole eggs, turkey meal, pea starch, cassava/tapioca, pea flour, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols, a source of vitamin E), dried chicken liver, pumpkin, ground flaxseed, alfalfa, carrots, potassium chloride, sea salt, choline chloride, dried whole cell algae (pure source of omega 3 DHA), mixed tocopherols, rosemary extract, green tea extract, encapsulated probiotics (dried Enterococcus faecium fermentation product, dried Lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation product, dried Lactobacillus casei fermentation product), enzymes [amylase (Aspergillus oryzae), protease (Aspergillus oryzae), cellulase (Trichoderma reesei), lactase (Aspergillus oryzae), hemicellulase (Trichoderma reesei), lipase (Aspergillus oryzae), prebiotic (organic, long chain, highly branched inulin), vegetable pomace (celery, beets, parsley, lettuce, watercress, spinach), cranberry pomace, lysine HCL, dl-methionine, lecithin, taurine, vitamin E, vitamin C, vitamin A, vitamin D3, zinc sulfate, ferrous sulfate, niacin, folic acid, biotin, manganese sulfate, copper sulfate, calcium pantothenate, thiamine mononitrate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, riboflavin, l-ascorbyl 2-polyphosphate (source of vitamin C activity), zinc proteinate, manganese proteinate, copper proteinate, calcium iodate, sodium selenite, cobalt carbonate, vitamin B12 supplement, l-carnitine

Fiber (estimated dry matter content) = 4.4%

Red items when present indicate controversial ingredients

Estimated Nutrient Content
MethodProteinFatCarbs
Guaranteed Analysis32%16%NA
Dry Matter Basis36%18%39%
Calorie Weighted Basis30%37%33%

The first ingredient in this dog food is venison meal. Venison meal is considered a meat concentrate and contains nearly 300% more protein than fresh venison.

The second ingredient is whole dried egg, a dehydrated powder made from shell-free eggs. Eggs are easy to digest and have an exceptionally high biological value.

The third ingredient includes turkey meal, another protein-rich meat concentrate.

The fourth ingredient includes pea starch, a paste-like, gluten-free carbohydrate extract probably used here as a binder for making kibble. Aside from its energy content (calories), pea starch is of only modest nutritional value to a dog.

The fifth ingredient is tapioca, a gluten-free, starchy carbohydrate extract made from the root of the cassava plant.

The sixth ingredient lists pea flour, a powder made from roasted yellow peas. Pea flour contains as much as 25% protein, a factor that must be considered when judging the meat content of this dog food.

The seventh ingredient is chicken fat. Chicken fat is obtained from rendering chicken, a process similar to making soup in which the fat itself is skimmed from the surface of the liquid.

Chicken fat is high in linoleic acid, an omega-6 fatty acid essential for life. Although it doesn’t sound very appetizing, chicken fat is actually a quality ingredient.

The eighth ingredient is dried chicken liver, a dehydrated product made from whole chicken livers. Because it contains about 62% protein and 20% fat, this item makes a favorable addition to this dog food.

The ninth ingredient is pumpkin. Pumpkin is a nutritious addition high in complex carbohydrates, beta-carotene and dietary fiber.

From here, the list goes on to include a number of other items.

But to be realistic, ingredients located this far down the list (other than nutritional supplements) are not likely to affect the overall rating of this product.

With four notable exceptions

First, flaxseed is one of the best plant sources of healthy omega-3 fatty acids. Provided they’ve first been ground into a meal, flax seeds are also rich in soluble fiber.

However, flaxseed contains about 19% protein, a factor that must be considered when judging the actual meat content of this dog food.

Next, we note the inclusion of inulin, a starch-like compound made up of repeating units of carbohydrates and typically sourced from chicory root.

Not only is inulin a natural source of soluble dietary fiber, it’s also a prebiotic used to promote the growth of healthy bacteria in a dog’s digestive tract.

In addition, we note the inclusion of dried fermentation products in this recipe. Fermentation products are typically added to provide enzymes to aid the animal with digestion.

And lastly, this food also contains chelated minerals, minerals that have been chemically attached to protein. This makes them easier to absorb. Chelated minerals are usually found in better dog foods.

Brothers Complete Advanced Allergy Care
The Bottom Line

Judging by its ingredients alone, Brothers Complete Advanced Allergy Care looks like an above average dry dog food.

But ingredient quality by itself cannot tell the whole story. We still need to estimate the product’s meat content before determining a final rating.

The dashboard displays a dry matter protein reading of 36%, a fat level of 18% and estimated carbohydrates of about 39%.

As a group, the brand features an average protein content of 37% and a mean fat level of 19%. Together, these figures suggest a carbohydrate content of 36% for the overall product line.

And a fat-to-protein ratio of about 51%.

Above-average protein. Above-average fat. And below-average carbs when compared to a typical dry dog food.

Even when you consider the protein-boosting effect of the pea flour and flaxseed, this looks like the profile of a dry product containing a significant amount of meat.

Bottom line?

Brothers Complete Advanced Allergy Care is a grain-free kibble using a significant amount of named meat meals and egg as its main sources of animal protein, thus earning the brand 5 stars.

Enthusiastically recommended.

Please note certain recipes are sometimes given a higher or lower rating based upon our estimate of their total meat content and (when appropriate) their fat-to-protein ratios.

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Notes and Updates

06/24/2014 Last Update

  • crantastic

    The worst experience me and my poor Katie ever had with a dog food was with the new Brothers Complete Venison and Egg.

    Started slowly transitioning from her old food to the Brothers. By the second day she started to vomit and have diarrhea at the same time. She vomited until she had nothing left to vomit. Her diarrhea lasted for almost two days.

    She is back on her old food and everything has returned to normal. After what happened getting my money back is of no comfort to my poor Katie.

  • InkedMarie

    I thought Storms Mom was posting with the brands the store carried.

  • Storm’s Mom

    Good point, but the OP said “if they carried my brand” not “if they had my brand in stock”.

  • davidsdonuts

    Maybe she did check first and decided to follow their advice!
    “Please call ahead for availability”

  • Storm’s Mom

    You should’ve just checked here perhaps: http://www.thedoggystore.com/BrandsCarried.php

    ….even calling them up could’ve easily gone something like this “do you carry x?” ..”no? ok, thanks, bye”. Done.

  • simoneandjesse

    Good afternoon- I called the Brothers retail store to find out if they carried my brand of raw. They don’t. The man I spoke with said he was one of the owners. He told me I should consider feeding my dog the Brothers brand of kibble. For goodness sake I told him why in the world would I switch from the human grade raw which I supplement with vitamins, minerals, probiotics and fish oil to a kibble. To be honest I lost all confidence in his advise after that. He lectured me on why Brothers kibble would be the better choice for my dog. He was very pushy and tried very hard to sell me a bag of Brothers. I will stick with raw thank you.

  • David D

    I have been feeding Brothers Complete to my pup, and he’s been very healthy on it. Every time I’ve spoken to one of the owners, they have been extremely helpful and attentive to my dog’s nutritional needs. Don’t take my word for it, get a sample for your best friend and let him/her decide. You’ll see.

  • InkedMarie

    Al I did was ask who he spoke to.

  • Pattyvaughn

    It’s funny that you said that, because I just don’t see how what I said was an “in your face response” nor was InkedMarie’s response. We both feed Brother’s. On the other hand, Storm’s Mom does not, so she certainly isn’t defending one of her foods, she’s just tired of all the garbage.

  • Jets14

    Thanks for sharing your experience with Brother’s Complete and don’t worry about the in your face responses, It’s the same 3 or 4 people who do this to anyone who shares a negative experience they had with Brother’s. They never bother the people who share a positive experience!

  • Storm’s Mom

    As others have mentioned, Brothers has a great money back guarantee, so no worries there.. but it’s YOUR responsibility to ensure that you are feeding what you need to feed your dog (or in this case, not feeding him something he’s allergic to). YOU should’ve read the ingredient list before buying. Don’t blame Brothers (or any other manufacturer/store), that’s just passing the buck. I’ve got a chicken allergic dog and I ALWAYS read the label to make sure there’s no chicken (once I missed that there was chicken on a label and my guy had a HORRIBLE reaction …got the can after a gastroenteritis bout from a vet tech who I also verbally told about the chicken allergy …lesson learned!!!).

  • InkedMarie

    Who did you speak to at the store?

  • Pattyvaughn

    They have a money back guarantee and it is a good one.

  • allergic to turkey

    I went to the Brothers complete store to buy a bag of food for my Boxer with allergies. He is allergic to wheat, soy, corn, turkey, grass and fleas. The salesperson I spoke with was very nice. He listened to the list of things my dog was allergic to and he told me about their line of allergy foods. He said they had just come out with a venison formula and it looked very promising. He recommended it for my dog and I bought a bag. The next day I was about to open the bag and I read the ingredient list and guess what, the venison formula has turkey in it. I was so upset with the person who sold me this food after I went over my dog’s allergies with him. Thank goodness I checked the ingredients before I fed it to my Boxer.

  • Meg

    No….the vet checked her teeth and they looked fine. The x-ray they did showed a lot of inflammation on her stomach lining and on her colon. The vet believes because her belly is so full of air and gas, she has no desire to eat. This happens every time her IBD flares up. Even being on prednisone, she has no interest in food. She is doing much better now….I stopped giving her chicken and bought fresh turkey to make up for her. I also started giving her a little bit of vital essentials dehydrated turkey bites. I am probably going to reach out to Brothers to see if they offer any samples. But you could look into vital essentials to give to your dog. So far she is eating it….I am only giving her a little bit since her tummy is still a little on the bad side….

  • Nectarmom

    The only way you are going to get answers is if you email Richard himself and or go on their forum on their website and ask.

  • InkedMarie

    pretty sure there is not one.

  • Mary

    The changes and mistakes on the ingredient lists happened over the last week on the brothers complete website not here

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com/ Mike Sagman

    There have been no changes to this review since June 2, 2013. The ingredients are exactly the same.

  • johnsonbully

    How can I trust Brother’s enough to feed it to my furbaby if they don’t know what ingredients are in their foods?

  • Susan

    Is it possible maybe your dog has a toothache? Maybe that is why it isn’t eating? Just a thought…good luck! My dog has what we think may be a chicken allergy and are looking for a chicken free dogfood for sensitive stomache. Round five on switching different food.

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    What question do you have?

  • Lisa

    I came on here to get advice about good dog food for dogs with allergies not to listen to a bunch of adults argue like children!!!!!

  • salaman

    Something is going on with the ingredients listed on Brothers webpage. 2 days ago the 3rd ingredient on the Beef, Turkey, and Venison formulas was peas and the 5th ingredient was pea starch. Today the 3rd ingredient is pea starch and the 5th ingredient is pea flour.
    In June Brothers mistakenly had peas listed as the 2nd ingredient on the turkey allergyfood, when it was really pea starch.
    It may be just peas that they can’t get straight but how do we really know?

  • Pattyvaughn

    Yes, it’s only available at Brotherscomplete dot com and they have different flavors now.

  • Meg

    Thanks Patty!! Unfortunately, she had issues show up when she was 4 months old. She bounced in and out of the vet office and on medication and then finally last year, it got so severe, I finally cave in and had her go thru a colonoscopy. They discovered that both her large and small intestines were affected and at that point, the vet suggested that I stop feeding her anything I had given her in the past and start over with hypoallergenic food……which of course she promptly turned up her nose on. She was doing pretty good eating turkey and now because everything is so inflamed, she is once again not wanting to eat anything. I even made chicken for her and she smelled it and licked her lips and walked away. I know she does like eggs so I thought maybe she would like this one……Is this something that you have to order online??

  • Pattyvaughn

    I can tell you that the kibble size is great for small dogs, my really picky dog loves this food, and my chicken intolerant dog does great on this food. The chicken liver and eggs do not give him a reaction. Were you told to avoid chicken for any particular reason? My dog that is intolerant of chicken had IBS as an 8 week old puppy. The vet told me to expect him to get full blown IBD, but fortunately within a couple of months I found this food. I haven’t had any problems with him since, except for letting a little chicken meat slip back into his diet when another family member isnt paying attention.

  • Meg

    I need some help with my dog – I have a soon to be 4 year old Shih Tzu who has IBD and a ton of food intolerances….she is not supposed to have chicken, beef, lamb, grains. I had to bite the bullet and start giving her prednisone to help with the inflammation. We were able to cut down on the dose to 1/4 of a tablet every other day. My dog is an extremely picky eater……actually picky doesn’t even describe how picky she is!! :) Anyway, we were doing really good giving her Ziwi Peak Vension mixed with a little bit of Turkey breast and green beans. She is not eating her food anymore….. Her tummy is once again bothering her so she doesn’t want to eat. The inflammation is worse and her tummy is full of air and gas, which is also another reason why she won’t eat her food. My vet told me that she is anorexic and just said I have a problem on my hands since she is so picky. I had to increase her dose of prednisone and now also give her pepsid and metronidazole. I could give her another pill to stimulate her appetite but she is already on so many medications…..I really don’t want to give her another pill. I have tried so many foods in the past and wasn’t really successful in getting her to eat anything.
    I would be interested in maybe giving her this food but wanted to check if the kibble is small bites and not sure about the chicken fat and liver – since she isn’t supposed to have chicken – this probably isn’t a good food for her. But I am at my wits end trying to find something that she will eat. I know that you are not vets but any advice on how to get an extremely picky dog to eat would greatly be appreciated!!!

  • Nancy Rooney

    I am so happy for you and your Bulmastiff!. My experience with Brothers Complete was a disaster. I adopted my lab in December 2012 She was my gift to myself and she has been a complete and utter joy!!! She had a yeast infection and she was on Nutro when I adopted her. I changed her food to Brothers Complete Allergy after reading some of the reviews here. Within a week she began to chew herself bloody. I know that yeast infections can take a long time to resolve and can even get worse before they get better. I decided to stick it out for a while and give the Brothers a chance to work. I kept hoping that today would be the day she started to get better. She continued to get worse and her chewing got so bad I had to put her on prednisone. I switched her to Wellness core which was $20 dollars cheaper for a large bag. I eased her off the prednisone and over the next two months her chewing became almost non-existent and her yeast infection slowly cleared up!!!

    I stay from any biscuit type treats. She really loves bully sticks though. At least in the end we both found a food that worked for our loved ones!!!!!

  • Flo & Hope

    I adopted my Bullmastiff three years ago and purchased a bag of Brothers Complete dry kibble. The dog was not crazy about it, so stupid me feeling sorry for the dog decided to cook chicken & steak to add to the dry kibble. Over time I kept switching brands of dog food, feeding her human treats and many visits to the vet because she gained weight & developed itching allergies chewing her paws and scratching all the time. Finally I had to put the dog on medication. I researched the medication and decided to stop giving it to her. I decided I had to do something. I called The Doggy Store and ordered a bag of the beef formula and a bag of the turkey formula. For the past month I have been feeding her the beef formula mixed with one cooked egg. It has been a trying month when it came to her feeding. Today I opened the Turkey Formula and she gobbled it right up. I figured she must of been really hungry. Tonight I fed her again and again she gobbled it right up. Now remember I switched her from freshly cooked chicken & steak to kibble. I wished three years ago I would have tried the Turkey Formula instead of catering to the dog. My vet can not believe the difference he see’s in the dog. She no longer spends the day scratching herself & chewing her paws. Her skin has improved, she’s now a happier dog and she is losing weight,
    In the long run, if I had just spent the extra money for
    brothers Complete kibble, I would have avoided all the suffering the dog went through with the allergies, the cost of medications (the last medication was $90. for a month supply), the many trips to the vet and the constant changing her food from special vet diets to holistic and organic dog foods. I now only feed her Brothers dog treat biscuits and their Bully Sticks. I have checked out others made in the USA bully sticks and Brothers Bully Sticks are cheaper and a premium quality. The best part is all the kibble & treats are sent UPS to my front door. I have visited their store in Ft. Lauderdale and everyone there was so helpful, patient and knowledgeable. I hope my story helps anyone out there that is undecided.

  • Storm’s Mom

    I agree with Pattyvaughn, and the Brothers site even has a “Chat Room” (which looks more like a forum area) for this very purpose – “where you can ask questions or share opinions about Brothers”, according to their website. That way, you can have a conversation about this particular food with other likeminded/interested people and get a final answer from the Brothers folks on the site that you can then post here as an FYI, etc ..rather than clogging up a more general site like Dog Food Advisor with the inevitable back and forthing with one particular manufacturer. Sort it out there, report about it, if necessary, here.

  • Pattyvaughn

    They would be on the website for Brothers. And you can always run right back here to report your findings, so it’s not like nobody will know. If you have a question for a dog food company, it just makes sense to ask that company.

  • Cammy

    I think this is the perfect place to find out if Brothers has either changed the ingredients since June or if they made another mistake with the ingredient list.

    Potential customers and existing customers deserve to know!

  • Pattyvaughn

    That’s an excellent question, but if you really wanted an answer I suspect you would post it on the Brother’s Complete website, not here.

  • John

    Good catch!

    Richard, can you please clear this up?

  • InkedMarie

    Betsy and Patty, check your email (a few others too)

  • Storm’s Mom

    This isn’t the Brothers website.. you should email Brothers via their website/email, not DFA (a totally separate website), for this information.

  • Betsy Greer

    I ordered mine this morning!

  • Halo

    Sorry to be a bother but you revised the ingredient list in June because you had mistakenly listed the second ingredient as “peas” when it was actually “pea starch” Now on your website “peas” are listed as the third ingredient and “pea starch” is the fifth ingredient..

    Has the turkey allergy food been reformulated since you revised the ingredient list in June?

  • Pattyvaughn

    The new Venison and Egg is out!

  • Benny

    I returned a bag because my dog didnt like it and I received a full refund

  • Storm’s Mom

    So your dog refused the food, and you waited more than 45 days to call Brothers about it?! Sorry, but most businesses out there have a timeframe within which you can return/refund….in this case, 45 days seems very reasonable to me. Snooze you lose!

  • Storm’s Mom

    The original poster “okie from muskogee” said “My dog refused to eat this food”. Presumably, that was on/from day 1, and hopefully the poor thing didn’t go 45 days without eating!! ..so there would’ve been plenty of time for “okie from muskogee” to contact Brothers for a refund, and if he/she did not, well, snooze you lose!! That’s their problem, not Brothers’. Almost every company I can think of has a time limit for returns/refunds. Brothers time limit seems like a pretty reasonable one to me. For the record, I have never ordered Brothers.

  • Genesis Rules

    The guarantee on your website only gives you 45 days to return the food

    “If, for any reason you are not satisfied with your purchase please contact us within 45 days of receiving the product to set up a return”

  • Cyndi

    No problem! Just trying to help make sure that person sees your post, although, like Marie below, from what I’ve heard about your company, I kind of doubt his/her claim as well…

  • http://BrothersComplete.com/ Richard Darlington

    Thanks Cyndi – that’s a good point

  • InkedMarie

    Somehow, I doubt this. Oh, I don’t doubt that your dog didn’t like it; most do but like humans, not all dogs like all foods. I DO doubt that they refused your refund.

  • Cyndi

    Fyi, if you hit “reply” under okie from muskogee’s comment, then they will get an email letting them know that someone replied to their comment. They may not come back on this thread and see your post, just to let you know…

  • http://BrothersComplete.com/ Richard Darlington

    Okie if this is actually true then email me your name and what you ordered and I’ll look it up and gladly refund your purchase price – as we ALWAYS do, since Brothers is 100% guaranteed.

    No one in the family remembers getting your call, and everyone at Brothers is family. Frankly, no one in our family would refuse a refund if your dog wouldn’t eat Brothers; and we would all know about the incident because it is an extremely rare occurrence that a dog won’t eat Brothers.

    How long ago did this all take place? Please email me at richard@ brotherscomplete.com and I’ll make a point to get to the bottom of this dilemma – one way or another.

  • okie from muskogee

    My dog refused to eat this food. I called the company for a refund but they told me a waited too long. My dog’s allergies got a lot better when I switched to Acana

  • Pattyvaughn

    I take it one step further and believe they would see it as stupid to open themselves up to this kind of treatment.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com/ Mike Sagman

    Smitty,

    Richard has addressed each of your questions in a civil and courteous manner.

    However, the rude and hostile nature of your recent remarks compel me to remind you to adhere to Our Commenting Policy which states:

    “… we delete comments that exceed the boundaries of courteous behavior. This includes remarks that are rude, profane, mean-spirited, disrespectful, lack good manners or otherwise unrelated to the topic at hand.”

    Your comment in violation of this rule has been removed. Please consider yourself duly warned.

  • smitty

    Richard

    You should let a sleeping dog lie.

    You expect us to believe that you knew that the protein in your product was 94% animal origin yet you missed the fact that the second ingredient in your food was listed everywhere as peas and not pea starch?

    The updated review here on DFA listed the second ingredient of your food as peas. That review was posted here on 05/07/2013.

    The comment of mine that you responded to says peas.

    The label of every bag that you have shipped says peas.

    The website that you updated says peas.

    Yet you expect us to believe that you knew that the protein in your food was 94% of animal origin but you were oblivious to the fact that the second ingredient in your food was pea starch and not peas?

    Even if it were true you would then be a manufacturer who doesn’t know what his own website, or reviews, or the labels on his bags or the comments he responds to, say the second ingredient of his food is.

    I’m sorry Richard but something stinks in Denmark.

    I will no longer respond to you concerning this matter.

    I wish you the best!

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com/ Mike Sagman

    Hey Guys,

    Please keep your remarks to the topic of this dog food. Or move to the The Forums or the Off Topic Discussion thread.

    Please post no more comments about the troll. Thank you.

  • http://BrothersComplete.com/ Richard Darlington

    smitty – No one posted false information on the protein content – the protein content is 39 to 40% dry matter basis as Dr Mike’s analysis reports. The percentage of the protein that is animal based was questioned and because I know that the percentage of protein from animal sources is about 94% I simply answered. Aimee raised a good point which led me to check the formula sheet where I discovered what was actually in the ingredient list.

    The food was formulated, as I requested, with 94% protein from animal sources and it was made that way. The problem arose when the long list of ingredients was hand copied into an Adobe Illustrator worksheet that was used by the printer to make the labels. Two of us proofread it and we both missed the typo because we use small amounts of peas in other formulas and after awhile it’s easy to get a little numb reading these lists. The ingredient list on the website is simply copied off the printed labels as is the list sent to Dr Mike, so a mistake in the printing of the label gets transferred along – and it’s not as uncommon in the industry as you seem to think it is.

    I do find it discouraging that so often the tendency here is to accuse and vilify rather than simply ask as Aimee did. I’m not surprised that other manufacturers are not willing to expose themselves to this pervading bias that we are all lying scoundrels who have no principals or honor.

    Two years ago when I first came on DFA the negativity was relentless, and I often said that I didn’t blame dog owners for being skeptical of manufacturers but that over time I would earn their trust. Do you see any other manufacturer here? Why do you think that is? After 2 years it’s still going on and I can assure you that they notice this. Do you speak to other people like you do here where you can hide behind a convenient anonymity?

    How many owners of dog food companies do you have pictures of, cell phone numbers of, email address of, and that you can talk to personally? Does that strike you as behavior of someone who has something to hide?

    Storm’s mom makes a valid point. You would be better off if more manufacturers were willing to come on here and share. But ask yourself how you would feel if your boss, your employee, your husband or wife, or your neighbor were to talk to you with such obvious distrust and disrespect – would you want to spend more time with them?

  • Melissaandcrew

    Because some people are nuts. Lol

  • beaglemom

    So sue him for being human. It’s not as though “peas” was supposed to be “fresh turkey” or something. With all due respect Smitty, I don’t understand why you’re even concerned with Brothers considering your position on feeding meat to dogs.

    Richard, thank you for being honest about this error and correcting it as soon as it was discovered. Regardless of whether it is “peas” or “pea starch” this product is still much higher quality than what most dogs are being fed these days. In addition it has helped countless animals recover from a variety of allergy related symptoms.

  • Shawna

    That is an EXCELLENT point Storm’s Mom… I would LOVE to see representatives from more foods here but I can certainly see how they would be weary if they saw any of this…

  • Storm’s Mom

    Yeah, I admit that I was (and sort of still am) sceptical about this discovery.. however, if Richard, too, was perplexed on how the food could have 94% of the protein as meat protein given the ingredients, he could’ve asked around the company, etc, and someone could’ve said (or he could’ve realized) “oh wait, no it’s “pea starch” in there, not “peas”, silly” or something…. it’s possible. Who knows. We’re never really going to know for sure. Those who trust Richard/Brothers will probably continue to do so, and those who don’t will probably continue to not. Some may change their minds either way. C’est la vie.

  • Johnandchristo

    Thanks Shawna,

    Knowing that someone is caring for Kitzen is comforting. Hope grandbabies have the best summer ever and bring the rest of the family lots of joy.

  • Shawna

    I think what this person/people doesn’t understand is that he/she/them is bringing the community at large together to be stronger and better… :) GO DFA :)…

  • Storm’s Mom

    You didn’t miss much ..more of the same :-( *sigh*

  • Shawna

    This has been going on for over a year Tracy. Maybe significantly longer. So long that I forget how long :(… I have no problem with legitimate and hard questions but someone (seems more likely that it is multiple people) have a beef with Richard or Brothers and come on for no other reason than to cause problems for them.

    Others have questions – like Aimee or LawofRaw but they are here for other reasons and questions about Brothers come up. I have no beef with that but the subversives need to GO AWAY :)…

    Hope you are having a wonderful weekend :)…

  • Shawna

    I think I missed Dora’s post.. Ughhh

  • Shawna

    I’m so very sorry about Kitzen John!! I know how much he meant to your family :(… I’m so happy that you were able to find a nice home though!!
    Hope you are having a fantastic Spring and beginning to Summer!!! Things are kinda crazy here but I think we are going to have a great time with the grandbabies this summer… Can’t wait :)

  • smitty

    Richard

    No one deserves false accusations and stories made up about them.

    That being said, you insult the intelligence of a lot of people when you come on here after posting false information about the protein content of your food and then miraculously discover that it was all due to the mislabeling of an ingredient.

  • http://BrothersComplete.com/ Richard Darlington

    Thanks Dr Mike, great message to the those who would do harm just because they think they can get away with it. This kind of thing is the down side of being able to post anonymously but our super sleuths on DFA rarely let anything slip by them.

    Speaking of something slipping by me. I sent Sandy an email to let her know the ingredient list I sent to you on the Turkey and Egg should have read “Pea Starch” and not just “Peas”. I’ve changed it on the BrothersComplete.com website and I do apologize for causing extra work on your part. No one at my end caught it so you can blame your own DFA contingent for bringing it to light.

  • Shawna

    It was similar (a little harsher) to the one that posted but I slipped in a mild cuss word —- oops.

  • Johnandchristo

    Good for you Dr Mike!!!

  • Johnandchristo

    Hi Storm’s Mom and Labs.

    Darn it! I missed it again! But yes that’s really low. Poor tweak.

    I guess they did not like my picture of a dog that really eats Brothers!!!!

    I’d like to buy tweak a bag of Brothers just to prove all humans are not rotten creeps.

  • Tracy

    I knew a dog that had allergies who looked just like the poor dog on the picture-the owners could not figer out what he was allergic to, they tried every brand of food! I can’t believe someone tried to ‘frame’ Brothers, I was a bit surprised to hear the food gives the dog allergies. Why would someone do that…competition, hate…why make up stories…no matter if you like them or not this is decent dog food as many owners have seen.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com/ Mike Sagman

    To All Users of This Website,

    Please flag comments that violate our posting policy. And I will make every effort to respond as quickly as possible.

    Please don’t respond to trolls or your comment will also be deleted. Thanks.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com/ Mike Sagman

    To “Dora” (and all your other fraudulent identities):

    I’ve kept an accurate record of all your posts from the very beginning. This includes time, dates, email and IP address. And never forget, even if you use anonymous proxy servers to hide, all posts can be legally and reliably traced by obtaining a court order to subpoena the Internet service provider’s records.

    So, since you continue to commit libel, it’s only a matter of time before someone takes legal action — and we’ll all finally know your true identity.

  • LabsRawesome

    What is it about Brothers that brings out all the Trolls? Or maybe it’s just the same one over and over again? Like a repeating A hole.

  • LabsRawesome

    LOL! Yeah Right! Find something better to do!

  • Storm’s Mom

    Yup, and it appears “dora” (post above) is now doing the same thing *sigh*

  • Storm’s Mom

    I’ll bet it is…

    Seriously, give it up already.

  • dora

    Sams skin kept getting drier and drier when she was eating the Brothers allergy. I switched her from Evo when she started scratching and the vet said it wasn’t fleas. She said it could be Sam had a food or environmental alllergies. She started losing her hair on the Brothers allergy. Now she is on Orijen and she is doing better.

    This pic was taken when sam was eating the Brothers.

  • LabsRawesome

    What?! Was “Guest” trying to claim that he fed “his” dog Brothers, and the food made it look like Tweak when he was first found? Seriously, what is wrong with people?

  • Johnandchristo

    Thanks again Ali.

  • Alexandra

    Hi John,

    I hope your mother in law is doing better. That is a horrible situation to be in.

    I have been feeding my cat that for the last few months and she looks great.

    Dante is eating Orijen fish as well right now. I am seeing that he has a chicken issue it seems, so I am trying a food with no chicken in it. So far so good. I also think feeding him unbalanced raw may have also complicated things…

    I still think the canned tripe smells way worse then my homemade. ;)

    I think that trippett is in a BPA free can.

    I don’t like the gum ingredients in can food, if I recall it is to “hold” the canned food together. You could try getting real tripe from my pet carnivore, no gum that way and all of the foul smelling deliciousness :)

  • Johnandchristo

    Thanks ali,

    We felt bad about it but my mother-in-law is not ambulatory and can fall easily. The last bite was really bad too. She had to go to the doctor and get antibiotics. He punctured her leg.

    ON a side note we got Orijen six fish for Freya and she really likes it. Also got some tripett for Christo. He went nuts. I forgot how much that stuff smells!! Freya sat wide eyed just staring at Christo while he ate his kibble and stinky stuff. It was New Zealand Green Venison tripe. The only thing in it that is a ? for me is carrageenan gum. I still don’t know if it has BPAs or not. I really hope not because it is a really great topper and I love the fact its all free range from New Zealand. the label states that it contains no preservatives, additives, fillers, or artificial ingredients and consists of 99% pure green tripe.

  • Alexandra

    So sorry to hear that about Kitzen. I am glad that he found a good home.

  • Johnandchristo

    Thanks ali .

  • Johnandchristo

    Hi Shawna,

    I missed the deleted post. But read about Tweak.

    You rock.

    On a different note, We had to get rid of Kitzen. :(

    He had another biting episode and made my mother-in-law fall. But on the good side she healed fast and Kitzen found a good home with a man that really loves cats and works with them too. Its been over a month now and it seems to be working out. My poor wife cried her eyes out for two weeks, but feels better since he got a good home. ( If no one would have taken him, he would have gotten put down )

    Freya rules now. She loves Christo, so we can relax and enjoy the peace. She is cute.

  • LawofRaw

    Good ol’ Google image. I rely on it a lot myself. It’s a great tool!

  • LawofRaw

    Yeah I hear ya. That’s unfortunate as It should be based on the context of the post.

  • Shawna

    I replied to this but it wasn’t very nice so didn’t show.. I’m taming this post down as I want to show you for the fraud you are sooner rather than later.

    This dog’s name is “Tweak” and was found abandoned. Here’s the full story and it has NOTHING to do with Brother’s Complete. I’m no longer friends with Richard but I HATE liars and those with subversive intentions. Please go away once and for all. We are all VERY tired of this.

    Here’s Tweaks story http://instantnewsbellaire.com/2012/01/27/21868/
    Was easy to find by searching Google Image.. If you’re going to lie it might help to be better at it.

  • Shawna

    That’s such a bummer!! Honestly, I would have suggested candida or environmental too since it was two dogs.

    Candida can cause some nasty symptoms as toxins are released as the yeast dies off.

    Natures Variety has a similar ingredient profile to Brothers. What did you figure out was causing the reaction?

  • Melissaandcrew

    Holy crap.

  • krazydogperson

    My poor dog looked like this after 3 month s on Brothers allergy food

  • LabsRawesome

    I agree, animals raised for food do deserve to be treated humanely. And in a perfect world, that would happen. But, here in the real world, that’s probably not going to happen anytime soon. People are too greedy, and want to make the most profit. Also, compare the prices on free range/cage free/organic meat and eggs to factory farmed meat/eggs. There is a huge difference in price. There will always be people that cannot afford humanely raised meats. Not to mention institutions and Schools, that have to get the cheapest foods available in order to feed people/kids. Remember the beef that was mixed with pink slime? That was mostly sold to Schools and Institutions. Sad and disgusting, but true.

  • Crazy4cats

    Hi Richard-
    Can you please tell me what you think are the necessary ingredients that need to be added to help heal a leaky gut?
    Thanks for your help.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    You’ll notice that certain posts will get voted down or up not because of the content of the post, but because of either who is making the post and/or who the person is agreeing or disagreeing with. You could make the most legitimate statement in the world but if you’re contradicting certain individuals the post will get down voted regardless.

  • Storm’s Mom

    Okey dokey, thanks!

  • aimee

    HDM Thanks for explaining that to Storms Mom.

  • Alexandra

    He is a very beautiful dog John! He came a long way.

  • Crazy4cats

    Hi-
    My “little” 6′, 2″ son will graduate on the 15th. My how time flies. He’s our youngest. What will we do? Of course we still have an assortment of fur babies to keep us busy. :)

  • Shawna

    Absolutely!! Nothing will change if we keep financially supporting the status quo!

  • Hound Dog Mom

    No – if there is 100 g. of kibble that is 39% protein that equals 39 g. protein. The total mass is 100 g. The protein level stated on the back of a bag of food is for the finished product. If you want to calculate the grams of protein or grams of fat in any given amount of kibble you would multiply the % of the item you’re trying to find by the amount of kibble (in grams). Yes 100 g. chicken would have a different amount of protein than 100 g. peas but the 39% on the bag is based on the combined end product which contains X% chicken and Y% peas.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Hi Aimee –

    I just read this discussion and I wanted to let you know I agree with you. I checked out some other foods that disclose % protein from animal sources on their websites and to me something isn’t adding up. For example, Victor GF Ultra Pro claims to have 81% protein from animal sources – the first ingredient is chicken meal, followed by chicken fat and peas are the third ingredient and it also contains four more meat meals further down the ingredient list in the 5th, 6th, 7th and 9th spots and egg in the 11th spot, there no other “high protein” plant items aside from the peas. Appears to contain much more animal products and the peas don’t come in until spot three…

  • LawofRaw

    Yes but if an amount of peas, say 100 grams, contains about 25% protein, then that amount of peas contains about 25 grams of protein. So given that the order of ingredients universally suggests the same order in weight of each ingredient from heaviest to lightest, which suggests that this Brothers formulas peas content is the second heaviest or second most concentrated ingredient, then it’s difficult to fathom how the overall protein content can be as high as 94% of meat based protein.

  • LawofRaw

    Well I’m glad that you agree with the dog’s naturally intended prey model diet, but I don’t think anyone here and most people in general condone the misery of many commercially raised livestock to live in misery thanks to man’s extra greed to make money at a faster pace. But all us dog lovers still want the best for our dogs. Just some people’s definition of best differs to others. All of us, what ever our best intentions may be, also want feed animals to be treated with respect and a quality of life such as having free range within borders, and fresh water, sunlight etc leading up to their slaughter, instead of being cooped up in tight cages with restricted movement, housed in sheds and never seeing day light.

    Sometimes activism and the boycott of such finished feed animals can help combat such poor commercial practices. Thank goodness that not all commercial farms practice poor treatment and production. It’s those better quality free range and organic certified farming businesses we should be supporting and encouraging.

  • Storm’s Mom

    No you don’t because each ingredient has a different mass. That would only be true if all ingredients weighed the same.

  • Johnandchristo

    Christo loves Brothers and has never been as healthy. They have absolutely earned my trust and respect. I’m very grateful and will always use their foods. Terrific products and customer
    service.

  • Pattyvaughn

    My hubby is 6′ and I’m only 5’6″, but I’m the only normal sized person in my family because of a medical issue. My son is terribly disappointed that he didn’t match his uncle at 6’4″.

  • aimee

    Hi Storm’s Mom,

    I’m basing my calculations on having 100 grams of food. So if I have 100 grams of food and 39 % of that food is protein than I have 39 grams of protein.

  • InkedMarie

    Wow, tall boy you have! My hubby & both sons are 5’8″

  • Storm’s Mom

    No, the review states that peas are made up of about 25% protein. BIG difference.

  • Storm’s Mom

    Why are you calculating 1% = 1 gram? The 39 you referenced is reported here in % not grams, so it’s 2.3% that would constitute non-animal protein. Not sure where that 1 to 1 relationship is coming from… (it could be just me, though, so if you could explain that, that would be really helpful..thanks!)

  • aimee

    Hi smitty,

    I too don’t understand. Hopefully Richard can explain this. If 94 % of the protein is animal based that means of the 39 grams DM reported here only 2.3 come from plant sources.

    The plant protein sources I see are peas, alfalfa, pumpkin, and flax. Being generous if 2 grams of plant protein are from pea, pea would make up about about 8 grams/100grams DM bringing about 4 grams carb with it and leaving us with 33 grams of carb to gather from the other sources of tapioca, pumpkin, flax, carrot. The problem being I can’t get 33 grams of carb from those sources when each source has to be less than 8 grams and they themselves besides tapioca come with appreciable amounts of plant protein.

    It is a real head scratcher.

  • smitty

    Hey LawofRaw,

    When it comes to the biological attributes of the dog we are in agreement. I do not deny the fact that the dog is designed to eat a diet that is primarily raw meat.

    Where we start to differ is in the other end of the food bowl.

    My philosophy on what is natural for a dog to eat is the same as yours. My philosophy on what is natural to eat is not limited to the dog. It extends to the cow, pig, chicken, lamb and all of the other animals in nature.

    I do not disregard the dignity and right to live a natural life of one animal for the sake of another.

    I do not believe that the dog is the only animal who deserves to be respected and who deserves a life that is species appropriate.

    The life of most feed animals is a life of misery. A life that we would never ever consider for our dogs. I know there are exceptions to every rule so please do not give me an example of a well loved cow and a puppy mill dog.

    I would like us to consider the animals that go into our dog’s food bowls the way we consider our family member the dog.

    I welcome the exploration of how all animals can lead semi-natural lives. This has to include the option of less meat and meat that leads an existence that is comparable to the existence we bestow upon our dogs.

  • LawofRaw

    I like to think that I give credit where it’s due, or at least try to, irrespective of someone’s back ground, ethnicity, heritage, beliefs, etc, and I have to say, you raise a good point! For the record, personally I limit my down voting and up voting for that matter, to only the most profound of statements, on either side of an agreeing to disagreeing spectrum, and in saying that, I don’t understand why you received 7 down votes when you actually ask a very valid point given that Mr. Sagman’s review does indeed state that peas provide about 25% of the overall protein amount, and it just happens to be listed as the second ingredient in this formula.

  • Shawna

    Thank you for the lovely compliment!! Much appreciated :)

    I feed enzymes with every meal now but I MAY not have been doing so back when I experimented with the quinoa??

  • Tracy

    Shawna, I love reading your posts and you are right on usually. However, there are different aspects and point of views you can look at this subject as to how much protein in different ways. First of all, I have never noticed that my dogs could not digest Quinua, they fully digest it, if there was undigested Quinua in their stool, I would not feed it. Maybe it has to do with me feeding them usually probiotics and digestive enzymes. Regarding proteins and enzymes as you describe them in context with antioxidants, you are very knowledgeable, and right on. However, often the meats are not fresh, but frozen, so that has a different effect as some enzymes are destroyed by having processed or frozen the meat. I have seen often in older dogs issues to digest raw meat, in fact my own dog has sometimes a bit stomach issues when he is fed raw. It is like with old people, sometimes a bit cooked food is better. I think we all understand the point-the less processed the better, the more protein the better. But if healthy fresh meat is not available and it is toxic because of what we feed these meat animals, it could be a healthier choice to use less and add meat substitutes. I rather feed healthy non toxic Quinua than toxic meat. It all depends and I do believe it depends on the dog too-if you are able to get let’s say grass fed lamb, buffalo and chicken, and feed that mainly to your dog, your dog will probably be very healthy, but if it is not not always possible, I don’t find anything wrong with it, when I cook them some chicken with vegetables, lentils and Quinua, I also add vinegar, probiotics, fish oil (from Iceland), greens, berries etc. I just have not seen really clear and convincing evidence that ONLY raw or 90% meat also is the best way to feed your dog. For instance oats are also good for dogs reg. Beta Glutan, however, I would stay away from brown rice and Barley, I would only add a little bit of selective grains and seeds such as for instance Oats and Quinua for health reason, no white potatoes but Sweat potatoes. White potatoes can cause Yeast issues and diabetes, I found more so than grains. I feed little selective kibble, half of the diet is raw and most of what I give is home made, fresh, I love NW naturals, Primal and Ziwipeak. I also feed my dogs Sojos, eggs and try to process it (cook it) as little as possible, but as stated before, raw causes some stomach upset in my older dog, even with probiotics, enzymes, so you just have to see what works.

  • LawofRaw

    Please try to remember that we are adults with the intention of having a civil debate/discussion/secular differences of opinion etc etc. I just can’t see any virtues of a canine vegan diet? The dog, a canid, is a carnivore and not a herbivore, with carnivorous set of teeth including the molars. All other physical, biological, and genetic evidence points to the dog, a canid and ancestor of the grey wolf, to be a carnivore requiring a diet with a conclusive majority in meat based proteins.

    To deny this fact is in my opinion, similar in say, claiming that a beam of light can be bent without reflectors, hence the laws of physics can be altered.

  • LawofRaw

    That’s actually incorrect about the oldest dog in world being on a vegetarian diet. The dog you refer to may have lived a life almost as long as the oldest dog or dogs of similar longevity, having lived on a vegan diet, (This in my opinion would have been a freaky genetic or otherwise exception), but there have been more dogs listed as amongst the oldest dogs in the world. In particular, 2 notable Australian cattle dogs, living in 2 different eras are amongst the recorded oldest dogs in a list. Both of which were fed a diet of raw meaty bones, offal, and table food scraps.

    There are also long lived dogs that made no list simply because they weren’t advertised to any official or journalistic entity. One such is that of my father’s dog who lived till the age of 26, on a farm in Europe many many years ago. He ate a diet mainly comprising of raw meaty bones, carcasses, offal, and some table scraps etc.

    My dogs eat the same kind of diet, albeit most unlikely to have been the superior quality of meats that my father was privy to, back in his day. However, I still try and get the best for them, being grass fed same as much as possible but not always possible. However, I’m always able to provide them with hormone free meats. But I agree with you on the point of many unfortunate commercially raised livestock that are fed main-induced hormone and other unnatural chemical additives that are in the grains that they are presented to eat, negating the otherwise Mother Nature’s superior nutritious canid intended raw meaty bone based diet.

  • Pattyvaughn

    My little man just graduated high school and will be 18 in 2 months and he’s 6’3″, not so little.

  • Shawna

    I think you are right that dogs need more antioxidants in this day and age due to the chemicals in our environment and food. However the “master antioxidant” of the body, glutathione, requires amino acids in protein for the body to form it. And raw milk and raw eggs have preformed amino acids that enhance the production of glutathione.

    Additionally amino acids from proteins are used to make the enzymes that digest our food, used for cell regeneration, used to make the enzymes that initiate apoptosis and prevent cancer from forming etc.

    Adequate protein is absolutely vital for optimal health. The only macronutrient that dogs do not require is carbohydrates.

    And protein is only as good as its bioavailability. Yes, quinoa has all essential amino acids but how bioavailable is it? I saw mixed information online, nothing I would consider reliable.
    My dogs don’t actually digest quinoa thoroughly. I fed it for a short time several years ago, just a small amount with their raw, and saw worms in their poo. Freaked me out til I realized it was the quinoa tail and not worms… I also tried barley as it is a good fermentable fiber but my dog with kidney disease is intolerant and it caused leaky gut and she developed allergies to three more foods. One of which would have been an excellent food to feed her as her kd progresses but now I can’t. Five of my eight dogs get roughly 75% organic grass fed meat/organs/bones, 15% veggies, 5% fruits and 5% extras (raw goat milk, pumpkin seed oil, ghee, organic EV coconut oil, apple cider vinegar etc). Oh, and a small teaspoon of high protein canned as a topper.

  • smitty

    Richard

    Being that the second ingredient in this food is peas, and as Dr Mike pointed out peas are 25% protein, your claim of this food’s protein being 94% of animal origin is problematic.

    Would you please tell us the percent of peas used in this food?

  • smitty

    Tracy

    I commend you for speaking your mind on the virtues of a vegetarian diet for dogs!

    I also commend you for using organic meats when possible.

    If people are shunned in places like this for even mentioning a vegetarian diet for dogs the research needed to determine if and what, a healthy vegetarian diet for dogs would be will never happen.

    It’s people like you who present positive examples of vegetarian dogs that can eventually lead to more people figuring out a healthy vegetarian and/or low meat diet for dogs!

  • LabsRawesome

    Wow, 4th grade, already? Logan is just about to finish 2nd grade. He can’t wait for summer break. I am excited also, I get to sleep in for the next 3 months! Yeah! Next to Spongebob, Spider-man is one of Logan’s faves. I Hope Alex and Marissa have a great trip! Don’t work too hard. :)

  • http://BrothersComplete.com/ Richard Darlington

    Hi Labs – Hope your little man is healthy and growing like a weed. My little man just graduated from 4th grade and is being treated to a weekend in NY City with Marisa to see some sights, visit the 9-11 memorial, and see his first play (Spiderman). Dad’s filing in at the store for a couple days.

  • Tracy

    I agree with you on the part that we humans should eat less meat, however, dogs can be vegetarian too, I know some people strongly disagree. However, the oldest dog in the world was on a vegetarian diet (lentils), so there is no way it is so bad for them. Would be interesting to see how old my dogs will get while I give them usually a mix of vegetables, Quinua and meat, while others feed them mainly meat, and see which dogs get to be older. In the book for Health for dogs and cats by Dr. Harley I believe she wrote that meat has 5 times more toxins in them than vegetables. Also consider this: Animals are fed mostly genetically modified corn and grains,full of pestizides, all of it ending up in meat, that can’t be healthy. So I try to feed my dogs organic chicken, lamb, buffalo etc. which are grass fed as much as possible. I also believe dogs need, just like us, antioxidants and vitamins, lots of healthy stuff, herbs, omegas, greens, just like us. Maybe that is more important than 80% vs. 50% meat.

  • Tracy

    another great food is Horizon Pulsar for allergies, however, with any of the Fromm formulas or Vet pref./Health extension you should not have these issues.

  • madeinmiami

    I spoke with someone at Brothers Complete in June of last year. My two Westies had been itchy for more than a year. They were put on antihistamines and fish oil. They got a tiny bit better for a while. Then in October they started scratching themselves raw. Someone at Brothers told me it sounded like my Westies had systemic Candida and it will take six to eight months for that to clear up once they were on the right food. They recommended the Allergy formula for both my dogs.

    After two months they started to get worse. They developed hot spots from all the scratching. I called Brothers and was told that this is a good sign cause it meant the toxins were leaving the body. I was assured if I stuck it out that everything was going to be alright.

    I stuck it out for the full eight months and I kept hoping things would get better. They got worse. The hot spots got larger and now they had hot spots all over instead of in a couple of places. I couldn’t take it anymore so I switched them to Natures variety instinct at the end of February this year. The change has been dramatic. They still scratch sometimes but no more medications and no more hot spots for the first time in two years.

    I am so sorry I put my dogs through eight months of misery. I am not sure they ever had Systemic candida in the first place.

  • LabsRawesome

    Don’t you have anything better to do? Seriously.

  • LabsRawesome

    Hi Richard! :)

  • http://BrothersComplete.com/ Richard Darlington

    I’m sorry, but we don’t really deserve any praise in that area since 94% of the protein in Brothers is animal based protein. We feel strongly that dogs thrive best on a diet that is predominantly animal based protein. However, I must admit that I think I am personally doing better on a diet that is more vegetable and fruit based. So I think if people eat less meat and feed their dogs more meat the world will be a better place all around.

  • smitty

    Richard Darlington

    I commend you for using a significant amount of peas for protein in this allergy care formula.

    Without dog food companies like yours using large amounts of vegetable proteins, it would be difficult for people to see that dogs can not only survive but thrive on a diet high in non animal based proteins!

  • Pattyvaughn

    Shawna, they can’t even put the meat protein in the same food that has a legume protein source or grain protein source or whatever protein source. So they might need to do something like lamb and sugar or turkey and honey. Wait, is honey pure enough?

  • Shawna

    James wrote “if more foods were single protein it could prevent some dogs from developing food allergies in the first place.”

    Food allergies can be triggered by food intolerances that cause inflammation of the gut which then allows undigested proteins into the blood stream.

    Food intolerances can be caused by eggs, chicken, legumes, vegetables, fruits and grains. Using James’ logic, manufacturers should make foods with one protein source, one starch source, one veggie, one fruit and a whole butt load of synthetic and supplemental vitamins and minerals… Sounds yummy……

  • Pattyvaughn

    Thanks for the info Dr Mike. I try not to go back and look at his old posts.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com/ Mike Sagman

    Hi PattyVaughn,

    The policy you mention here is designed to prevent fraud.

    However, I do not believe that is the case here. This action does not appear to have been taken to mislead other participants.

    Please notice that James B’s decision to edit his name was done using a universal feature of Disqus and is within its official policy and rights of membership.

    So, if you’ll check any of James B’s previous comments here or in any other forum that uses Disqus, his name should now be visible everywhere exactly as it shows here.

    Thanks for your understanding.

  • Pattyvaughn

    Dr Mike has a policy against posting under multiple names, you know.

  • Shawna

    Yes, we will have to agree to disagree on this one.

  • James B

    Hi Shawna Winn

    What I said was “if more foods were single protein it could prevent some dogs from developing food allergies in the first place.”

    If you don’t agree with me that’s fine. Let’s just say we have a difference of opinion.

  • Shawna

    Hi James Bailey,

    How would a single protein food prevent food allergies? That doesn’t make any sense at all.

    It is very possible for a dog to be allergic (or intolerant) to chicken but be quite fine with chicken liver. I have one, my Pom Gizmo is intolerant of the muscle meat but fine with liver, heart etc. My kidney dog is allergic to beef bone and beef tripe (diagnosed via elimination diet). But is absolutely fine with beef muscle meat, kidneys, liver and heart.

    Of course, a dog could be allergic to both chicken muscle meat and chicken liver but it is not automatic and I imagine not exactly common — especially since true allergies are fairly rare to begin with.

  • http://BrothersComplete.com/ Richard Darlington

    Hi Cindy

    Because your dog has an allergy to chicken does not necessarily mean your dog will also be allergic to chicken liver. This will make more sense once you understand how these allergies are usually acquired.

    The mechanism that causes dogs to acquire a protein allergy originates in the intestines with a condition called “Leaky Gut” (a condition where spaces develop between the cells(Enterocytes) that line the inside of the intestines). These gaps allow partially digested pieces of protein to get out of the gut and into the blood stream where the immune system takes an imprint on it’s amino acid sequence and makes anti-bodies to attack this exact amino acid sequence the next time it appears.

    So your dog could easily react to chicken meat but have no problems at all with Chicken Liver.

    Chicken fat has had the protein removed and the allergic reaction is dependent on protein so the chicken fat will not cause a reaction.

    I’ve copied some items below, from the Brothers Document. It is on our website at BrothersComplete.com if you want to read more about it.

    A) Leaky gut in a dog is usually caused by a diet with grain or potato in it because grains and potato contain “Lectins” and other components like “Gluten” that can cause the cells that line
    the inside of the gut (Enterocytes) to separate (which is Leaky Gut). They also provide the ‘sugar’ that causes Candida in the gut to overgrow and develop the rhizomes that penetrate the
    joints between the cells lining the gut wall which also creates a Leaky Gut situation.

    B) Leaky Gut is caused by Candida Overgrowth. Candida Albicans is a Yeast/Fungus that is normally present in the colon and is usually kept in check by a healthy colony of beneficial bacteria. When Candida is fed by sugars, including those from
    grains and potatoes, it will overgrow. Eventually Candida overgrowth produces fungal rhizomes that burrow into the joints between the cells that line the inside of the gut wall (the Enterocytes) and causes gaps through which the fecal matter, including the Candida Fungus, can escape into the blood
    stream.

    C) Leaky Gut Can be Caused by Antibiotics.
    Antibiotics indiscriminately kill bacteria – including the beneficial bacteria in the gut that keeps the Candida Albicans yeast/fungus under control. Without the proper amount of beneficial
    bacteria to keep the Candida contained and in proper proportion the Candida overgrows and become a fungus whose rhizomes penetrate the joints between the cells that line the inside of the colon. This creates a space between the cells
    that allows fecal matter to get into the blood stream.

    D) Leaky Gut is a major cause of food ‘allergies’.
    When Leaky Gut allows partially digested molecules of protein to leak through the lining of the intestine and get into the blood stream, the immune system imprints on it’s amino acid sequence and creates antibodies to attack what it considers to be an invading pathogen. When the dog eats this protein again the immune system reacts to it as a pathogen which is basically an ‘allergic’ reaction. Food ‘allergies’ must be dealt with by removing the ingredients in the food that cause Leaky Gut and
    adding the ingredients necessary to heal the gut lining. Changing to a novel protein is NOT a long term solution and will eventually add the ‘novel’ protein to the list of proteins the dog is allergic to and the suffering will continue.

  • James B

    Hi Cindy

    I agree that the inclusion of chicken liver is not a good idea in an allergy food whose main protein is turkey. Even the chicken fat might cause a reaction in a dog allergic to chicken.

    I would like to see more single protein foods for ALL dogs, not just dogs with suspected or confirmed food allergies. If more foods were single protein it could prevent some dogs from developing food allergies in the first place.

    I suspect that the inclusion of chicken and chicken fat in many foods where the main protein is not chicken has to do with cost and availability. Chicken is cheap and plentiful.

    I am glad to hear that you make your dog fresh, homemade food as well! A well balanced fresh, homemade diet is the gold standard of dog foods. I would try to increase the homemade portion of your dog’s diet and decrease the use commercial foods, especially kibbles!

  • Cindy

    Why is there chicken liver in this?

    I’m not very familiar with the line, but thought(?) the allergy formulas, this one a turkey & egg one, were intended to be limited ingredient foods, each avoiding a different main allergenic protein. Even if the chicken fat were so clarified/pure as to exclude chicken protein, I’d expect the chicken liver to be a problem for dogs allergic to chicken.

    This is probably a sore spot for me, as I have a dog highly allergic to chicken, but I do get very frustrated at the numerous foods that offer various formulas with different main proteins and then throw chicken into every single mix. And among the numerous organic dry foods out there, can anyone guess what percent have chicken? (It can get really old trying to avoid chicken, chicken, chicken . . . .) I’d make a respectful plea & request that the company consider making a formula without it.

    Anyway, I read some nice things about this company & was impressed by some things the company itself has chosen to do. I guess I was kinda just hoping in browsing to discover the company would be alert & sensitive to the chicken allergy issue!

    I have a good food (and I feed fresh, homemade as well, since that’s what I primarily believe in as best), but am always on the look out for more foods to use/recommend.

  • Bella

    I don’t like the fact that this food hás sodium selenite. I am going back to Orijen, now that they took the white potatoe out of their formula

  • Pattyvaughn

    I just got notified of this post 99 times, no I’m not kidding.

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    Brothers Beef is a staple around here mixed with Fish sometimes. I usually don’t buy chicken or turkey just because I grind them up myself. Even the seniors eat it. Only 2/3 cup a day for most pugs and mine are 23-30 lbs. They still get various treats. Today they haven’t eaten kibble yet because I gave them a tripe-stuffed cow hoof.

  • InkedMarie

    All dogs are different; it all depends on the dogs, not the breed.

  • Theo’s Mama

    Can anyone tell me how well pugs tend to

    do on Brothers?

  • Nectarmom

    If I am not mistaken the only ingredient change was removing the Menhaden fish oil and now the ingredients are like they were from the beginning. We just got our new bag last week of the Allergy formula and all 4 of my girls are cleaning their bowls. When we were on it for 6 months before and then the ingredient change took place none of mine would touch the food without adding a bit of can food mixed in. We eventually went Raw and then caused another whole set of issues but now we are getting through this and sticking with Brothers from here on out. I read on their webpage that all proteins are going to be Allergy formulas. We are excited about the new change and support Brothers all the way.

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    It’s on the To-Do List. Thanks!

  • Tempest

    I just switched to Brother’s Allergy Formula. I received my first bag and the ingredients were as noted on your website. I cut the label off my bag to make sure the ingredients are the same for when I order new bags. I ordered 2 more 25 pound bags and thought they had sent me the wrong food. It was not the wrong food but they changed their packaging and the ingredients are not the same. The new formula is also higher in protein/fat/calories. Would love to see you review the new formula. My Malinois girls like the food! Now waiting to see if some of their flatulence subsides. Hoping that this is just their systems getting used to the change.

  • Lance

    Richard,
    First of all, thank you for all of your help and guidance. You have given me an entire education on proper pet nutrition. The dogs have been doing outstanding with the mixture of Allergy Formula and the White Meat Formula. We do a mixture of 1/2 and 1/2 morning and evening. Their coats look absolutely gorgeous and everyone complements how soft they are. They have never done this well on any other food, not even raw. Prior to finding out about Brothers, I spent a substantial amount of money trying all of the top foods and Brothers has produced the best results. The other brands I tried caused many problems including, but not limited to, crusty eyes, dry coat, hard stools and constipation, etc. I truly believe, based on the results I have seen, that Brothers is the best kibble in the marketplace. My vet commented at their last check up that he wished all of his customer’s dogs had the coat and skin health that both of my dogs posess. I gave him your information.along with everyone else that complements my dogs and usually asks what i feed them. I highly recommend your kibble to anyone interested in keeping their pet in excellent health.

  • tracy

    Thank you for the reply Richard.I am very familiar whith the die off symptoms of yeast issues as this is not new to Jade.She has had bacteria and yeast infections on her belly for over 2 years.They did not start from vet. medications as she never had any until she was almost 2 years old and she just turned 3.I beleive it was enviromental and food allergiesBetween the age of 1 and 2 we fed raw.Then we tried some 5 star kibble..She has never had a food with potatoe.For almost a year she has had nothing but raw with no veggies in it either.The infection will get so bad that I tried Ketoconazol to see if that worked along with an antibiotic.So she has not had very many meds.But the yeast and bacteria comes right back a few weeks later.We use and have used pre/probiotics and many other things to combat this.We are useing the Nzyme program right now and hopeing to heal her belly,she has never had any bowel issues or ear infections.I have not started the Brothers allergy yet as I would like to see if the Nzymes start working first.Every time I add a kibble she will start itching more so im hesitant at this point.She will start itching with in a few hours.Im sorry this is so long but we continue to try and solve this or at least keep the infection at bay.My two other pugs 7 and 10 are tanks and can eat anything,lol.Thanks again and I will let you know how the Brothers is working when we add that.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    For some more grain/white potato free options here’s a great list InkedMarie put together: http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/forums/topic/grain-and-potato-free-dog-foods/

  • InkedMarie

    http://www.BrothersComplete.com That is the only place you can buy Brothers, unless you live close enough to their store in Florida.

  • lbatch

    Where do you buy this food and do they have samples? At this point I am willing to try anything for one of my rescues but this is not available locally. I have one dog that can not have any grains and no potats what so ever.

  • http://BrothersComplete.com/ Richard Darlington

    Hi Tracy
    Systemic Candida will usually take 6 to 8 months to bring back into balance so you must be patient. There will be periodic episodes where the Candida dies back in a bunch, releases toxins as it does, and as the body detoxes this (often called a “healing crisis”) the original symptoms return for a few days. Knowing this in advance will help reassure you that it’s a normal process on the way to re-establishing a healthy system and help you curb the tendency to run to the Vet and be talked into more meds and different food that will usually just re-establish the dysfunctional state.

    I’m sure you’ve heard that sometimes it has to get a bit worse before it gets better and this is usually the case with a biological system that has been compromised by pathogens.

    You must be extremely vigilant in keeping Jade from eating any grain, potato, or sugar in any form – including fruit. I’ve found that it’s usually best to standardize the diet as much as possible during this period until the system has restored itself to a healthy balance. I’m usually in favor of food rotation but given these particular circumstances and the extreme efforts put into balancing the nutrients in Brothers not only within minimum and maximum guidelines set by AAFCO but more importantly ‘To each other’ and the emphasis on healing and re-establishing a healthy gut I think it best to stabilize the diet and reduce stress on the system.

    If you need guidance as you progress please feel free to email me at richardd9229 @yahoo.com

  • tracy

    I received my bag yesterday!Im trying this for my pug Jade,she has yeast and bacteria on her belly.She has been raw fed for almost a year,on a few meds from the vet to clear the infection but we all know it comes back after treatment.Every time ive tried to add a kibble to her raw she has gotten worse or i should say it hasnt helped so we shall see if this formula helps.At this point nothing works for her,the raw the shampoos,rinces,pre/probiotics,enzymes,coconut oil,fish oil,etc.Her thyroid test came out normal so after 2 years of this I just dont know what will work.If I could find something to just keep the infection at bay I could cope with the allergies.At least to keep her comfortable.Wish me luck,or Jade she needs it!

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com/ Mike Sagman

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    This condition is due in large part to the posting of irrelevant comments that are completely unrelated to this specific brand itself or the topic of dogs in general.

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  • Mike P

     Hi Loopdlou,
    Just a suggestion but I would add plenty of fresh meats like beef,chicken,sardines,eggs to whatever kibble you decide to feed.I know when we got our rescue they said she might have a thyroid problem.She had bald spots on her elbows and the end of her tail.The dark patch on her left side is gone and all her fur is back on the bald spots.I also have fed other grain free foods like Fromm,Merrick but am currently feeding Brothers now for the last 5 bags.

  • Pattyvaughn

    I was told 6-9 months and I am at the three month point and you would never know that there is something wrong with my pup.

  • InkedMarie

    I know you’re torn but ignore the vet, try the Brothers. Give it a good 6mos (at least thats what Richard advised me) and I believe you will be very happy you switched. 

  • Pattyvaughn

    First, I want to say that I love your screen name.  Second, Brothers is only available at their store in Ft. Lauderdale or online at Brotherscomplete.com  I don’t know how it compares pricewise to the Purina but it is a way better food, IMHO.  My best advice to you is to go to their website and read the Brothers Document and their FAQs to get an idea what this food can do for your dog.  Second piece of advice is if you don’t go with Brothers get a good multi-strain probiotic like the one Mercola sells and a good digestive enzyme to give your dog no matter what other food you put her on.

  • Loopdlou_51

    Hope everyone had a beautiful & peaceful Christmas and a Happy New Year!
    Ok…….that being said, I need some advice please.  I’ve been reading on here about Brother’s and I’m about to try it.
    My question is this……I have a Senior (8 yrs old) German Sheperd who has broken out with severe scaliness on her skin and is scratching like crazy.  I had her on Purina Vet HA and she did fine with that one.  Then, I switched, because of the COST of Purina to Taste of the Wild with Roasted Lamb.  She loves the food; but I noticed her scratching and turned her over to see she has scratched herself raw!  Took her to our Vet who said I need to KEEP her on the Purina Vet product.  I told her that because I RESCUE and have OTHER DOGS to feed, I can’t afford the Purina.  She just said to me, “Well this dog has allergies.  You need to keep her on the Purina!”
    I am TORN now.  I rescued her from death at a dog shelter and NOW if I did the right thing???  I can’t afford the type of food she needs.  ANY AND ALL SUGGESTIONS WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED!!!  THANKS EVERYONE!!!

  • Pattyvaughn

    I know what you mean.  I actually love finding out how much I don’t know, because learning more is so great!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    Hey Patty,

    I gotta tell ya, I’ve learned so much since I’ve been here… stuff I’ve never even heard the slightest bit about before now. I had to put my last dog, Hannah, to sleep on 03/03/2003, and it was so heartbreaking, I didn’t get another dog until Bella – that was the very end of April, 2012. So, I’m really a novice dog owner and I’m finding this stuff absolutely fascinating! : )

  • Pattyvaughn

    Pretty textbook pano, and he does have very lovely elbows!!

    My shepherds that had pano outgrew it long before 2, mostly they only had trouble with it while they were fast growing. Once they slowed down, we never saw any evidence of it again.

  • Alexandra

    Great news Betsy!

  • InkedMarie

    good news!!

  • Toxed2loss

    That is good news! I’m so happy for you and Sam!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    If you look at the lower portion of the “wrist” joint, which is the distal ulna, you can see where the bone looks almost hairy – the bone edges in that area look fuzzy compared the the rest of the bone which appears smooth and have the brighter white along the edges. Well, this is what pano looks like on film. Poor pup, ouch. : ( The great news is that it’ll improve and that he doesn’t have any dysplasia! : )

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    OK, for those who may be interested, I have a little update on Sam this morning. We saw Dr. Dan, the magnificent vet who practices TCVM. I adore this man. : ).

    He did a chiropractic adjustment on Sam, whose neck and shoulder blade area seem to be most problematic – he thinks it’s possible that Sam fell or wrenched his neck somehow.

    Anyway, Dr. Dan carefully studied the x-rays my regular vet took that showed that Sam does not have elbow dysplasia. Dr. Dan said the elbow joint is “beautiful.”. The interesting thing is that my other vet must’ve been so focused on the elbow joint (and knowing that we were taking the x-rays for Dr. Dan) that she overlooked the distal ulna, which clearly indicates that Sam has panosteitis. Painful for him and will cause periodic lameness until about age two.

    Dr. Dan likes Sam’s diet of Brothers in the AM with a canned topper and Darwin’s raw in the PM. He wants me to continue to give Sam turmeric – 1/8 tsp twice daily and fish oil – 300 mg per 20 lbs of body weight once daily, until our appointment in February. Sam looks great, but I’m going to reduce the amount I’m feeding him primarily because of the pano.

    So, my point in sharing this with you all is that I’m trying desperately to save Sam’s x-rays on my PC so I can post them to share with all of you. It’s fascinating the way the bone looks in the affected areas.

  • Nectarmom

    Well Thank you from the bottom of my heart , Mr Darlington! I do want to keep these girls on this diet since a lot of their problems seem to be resolving being on it. These girls are my lil children and I just want the best for them and them to enjoy their food and not dread each meal time. We are grateful to you and I understand fully why the original ingredients cannot be produced over night. I will start right away just offering the white meat formula and maybe I will have some happy girls :)

  • http://BrothersComplete.com/ Richard Darlington

    Nectarmom
    Why don’t you let me send you 3 – 5 lb bags of the White meat formula to replace the 15 lbs of the Allergy formula that they don’t like? 

    They seem to like the White Meat formula and it’s very close to the Allergy formula – just has some chicken and a little sweet potato that the Allergy formula doesn’t have. Just keep them on the White meat until we run the next batch of Allergy formula which will be reverting back to the formula that they like. 

    I will make it a point to call you personally when the new batch comes in to let you know it has arrived. With Brothers your satisfaction is guaranteed and I will do everything in my power to make that a reality for you. Let’s get your new year off to a good start.

    I’ll ship out 3 – 5 lb bags of White meat to you tomorrow.

  • Nectarmom

    Ok I sure hope everyone had a safe and Wonderful New Years!
    I came on here looking for answers and feedback on a good quality dog food that would agree with my dogs, being one of them has intestinal food allergies to what we are not sure of. My other one had an Ulcer and has been on meds so we have had to be really careful on what to feed her. We were using another Brand of kibble before switching to Brothers and it is a high quality kibble also or I thought it was. We ended up getting a bad batch of it and all 4 of my girls got really ill. I had stuck it out since may with this brand and even through their ingredient change. But after my girls got ill that was the last straw for me so we switched to Brothers Allergy formula.

    At first my girls stuck their noses up at it and so I gave in and bought more of the other brand they were on just to get them to eat and I mixed Brothers in to convert them to 100% Brothers Allergy formula and finally they would pick out the Brothers and leave the other spread out around the outsides of their bowls. Then after being on the Original ingredient Allergy formula for a couple of weeks, Brothers changes the formula and now I am back to square one again….not a happy camper!

    I called the Company because I had just bought 15-lbs of kibble that my dogs would not touch. They gave me Mr Darlingtons # and so I called Mr Darlington and we spoke for a good maybe 45 min but the reception between our phones were not very clear. I couldn’t make out much that Mr Darlington was telling me so we got disconnected and I believe. He called me right back and the reception was a little better. Long story cut short Mr Darlington talked me into sticking it out with the new ingredient allergy formula. Its been 3 weeks since I bought the 15-lbs of the Allergy formula and I have 3 Chihuahuas and an Imperial Shihtzu and we still have about 12 1/2-lbs of the allergy formula with the menhaden fish oil added that my girls absolutely turn their noses up to it so once again as requested by Mr Darlington we bought a 5-lb bag of the white meat and a bag of the chicken biscuits and a bag of the lamb biscuits.

    I mix the white meat 1/8 of a cup with 1/4 cup of the allergy formula and reluctantly they pick out the white meat formula and leave the allergy formula spread around the outside of their bowls. Now after a week of mixing both they won’t touch neither without me mixing 95% can food Basic instinct Bison flavor. They all 4 have horrid gas and I am sure it is the can food and it also makes their tummies grumble. Now I only mix just enough can food to make a small coating on the kibble. I don’t know but I am seriously kind of at my wits end with kibble.

    The positive part of all this is the food does not seem to bother my one with intestinal allergies and they have all stopped itching for the most part. I just wish companies would leave a good thing alone.

    I would be the most dedicated customer of this food and this company if my girls are happy and healthy. If they feel good then Mom feels good but when they feel bad then Mom is a worry wart and then Mom is not happy. I pan to stick this out because mainly of the fear of recalls and because this food does agree health wise for my girls but at the same time. I will be waiting patiently for the original allergy formula to be released. What do I have to loose?

  • Toxed2loss

    Thanks John! She does grow hair!!! ;-)

  • Johnandchristo

    Toxed Rosie is beautiful, she looks great what a coat!

  • Toxed2loss

    ¡¡¡That’s very sweet of you!! Thank you!!!!! GFETE they may have cuteness down to a “T”, though for pure glowing health and vitality, Christo takes 1st place!!! Here’s a couple of Rosie doing the “Miss Piggy.”

  • Johnandchristo

    We may have indeed inspired the said pic, but Miss rosie & sonya clearly perfected it. ;)

  • Toxed2loss

    Ahh John, it was you and Christo that inspired that pic! ;-)

    Nice pic yourself!! Lucky Christo got the whole bag to himself! Rosie & Sonya had to share! LOL

    No new hunting pics. Seasons are very short here. It used to be that pheasant season went clear past Christmas, but when I reminded my husband that Rosie and I wanted to go out again, he told me it was already over, the first week of December. :-p

    Rosie & Sonya are currently getting venison scrap with their Brother’s, though every now and then I throw in some grass fed beef scrap, especially on cold days. Its higher in fat, so it helps them stay warm.

    I haven’t taken any new pics lately, but weather permitting, in January, we’re heading down to the coast again. We’ll get some good pics then. ;-)

  • Johnandchristo

    Hey Toxed, any new hunting pics?

    I fed Christo some raw lamb tonight mixed with his red meat kibble and I thought of those pics you posted last year. I really loved the pic of Rosie, great minds do think alike, I posted one that was very similar. Christo with his stocking stuffer, lol.

  • Toxed2loss

    Thanks John!!!! Extra special warm New Year’s wishes for you!!!!!

  • Johnandchristo

    Hi Toxed,

    Thanks for posting that! I loved reading it. Happy New year!!

  • Pattyvaughn

    Have a happy and safe New Year, Nectarmom!!

    And everyone else too!!  Enjoy your evening but be safe out there.

  • Toxed2loss

    Hi Betsy,
    Here’s a diagram and explanation from peteducation(dot)com notice the dogs intestine is approximately 2.5 times its body length, where the ow, as an herbivores was 20 times its body length.

    “Stomach

    The dog’s stomach is a sac-like structure designed to store large volumes of food and continue the digestive process. The esophagus carries food to the stomach, where it enters via a valve-like structure called the cardiac sphincter. On the interior surface of the stomach is a series of folds called gastric folds. These folds function to help grind and digest food. The inner stomach lining secretes acids and enzymes to break down food. Once the initial stomach digestive process is complete, the partially digested food exits the stomach through the pyloric sphincter area and then enters the duodenum (the first segment of the small intestine). Once eaten, most food leaves the stomach within twelve hours after entering.

    Small intestine

    The small intestine is a tube-like structure, which extends between the stomach and large intestine. It is the longest portion of the intestinal tract and is about two and a half times the animal’s total body length. An animal twenty-four inches long would have about sixty inches of small intestine.

    The small intestine in the dog has three parts. The first portion, which attaches to the stomach, is the duodenum. In a forty-pound dog it is roughly ten inches long. The middle (and longest) portion is called the jejunum. The shortest part is the ileum, which connects to the large intestine.

    The duodenum attaches to the stomach and is relatively short. It does, however, have very important functions. The gallbladder and pancreas connect to the duodenum by the bile and pancreatic ducts respectively. Enzymes and other secretions that are important for digestion are produced by the liver and pancreas and pass through these ducts to mix with the food in the duodenum.

    The jejunum is the longest area of the small intestine and is rich in small, finger-like projections called villi. Villi protrude inward into the food contents and provide a large surface area to absorb nutrients. Intestinal contents of the jejunum empty into the ileum and from there pass into the large intestine.

    Diseases of the small intestine are usually not confined to just one area and are therefore simply discussed as small intestinal disorders.

    Large intestine

    The large intestine of the dog basically connects the small intestine to the anus. The large intestine is about sixteen inches in length in a forty-pound dog and is larger in diameter than the small intestine. Its primary function is to absorb water from feces as needed, thus keeping the hydration level of the body constant. Its other function is to store fecal matter awaiting passage from the body.

    The large intestine has several distinct parts. The cecum is a small, finger-like projection near the junction with the small intestine. Its true function is unknown. The colon is the longest portion of the large intestine and terminates just inside the anus to the final portion of the large intestine called the rectum. The terms ‘colon’ and ‘large intestine’ are commonly used interchangeably.”

  • Nectarmom

    Well first I would like to say that I have ALOT to say but it is New Years Eve so I would like to wish everyone a Happy and Safe New Years and I will respond to Bobs post very soon. The changing of the formula was no secret a bad thing and still I sit here mixing can food to get my dogs to eat it and or the new bag I just ordered of the non-allergy chicken formula…to be continued…:)

  • LabsRawesome

     Guts are gross and interesting at the same time. lol  :)  Hope everything is okay with Sam.  :)

  • aimee

     These contrast studies highlight the intestinal track.

  • aimee

     I gave it a go…. but  consider that there is a bit a artistic liberty taken…. and that a lot of the intestine is not well seen.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    And maybe even do the small intestines in a different color, if you can. : )

  • Pattyvaughn

    Very nicely done!!  I’m starting to see Paint in a new light!!  Can you do that to highlight some small intestine?

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com/ Mike Sagman

    i8ok,

    In order to maintain the context of the other comments posted in this thread, I’ve allowed your last comment to stand.

    However, in my previous comment posted here yesterday, I asked all involved in the topic once again mentioned in your last comment:

    Please understand your remarks have invited flags from a number of other readers. So, give this discussion a rest immediately.

    Please note… any future comments about this topic which violate my request will be permanently removed.

  • InkedMarie

    Prayers out for Bella that all goes well and lots of hugs to you Betsy! Make sure you let us know how things go.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    Awesome, Aimee! Thanks!

  • Larry P

    Hey i8ok

    When Richard said;

     “I’m not sure when the next batch will be available (could be a couple months)”.

    he was referring to the next batch of allergy formula which is going to change back to the original allergy formula. The current formula is a “new” allergy formula which dogs are having a problem with.

    You and Bob K are right. Richard does not know when the original allergy formula will be available.  I dont know why everyone is pretending they dont know what you and Bob are talking about.

     The current allergy formula is going to change back to the original formula. That change will take place in the next batch and Richard dont  know when that next batch will be made!

    Cheers

  • aimee

     First time I used “paint” and it shows…. but this is how I see Sam’s colon

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    Edit: Now, I don’t know if that might helps at all or not, but here’s an aerial view of Sam while laying on his back. Since I see more of the speckled stuff, maybe this view shows some small intestine. Thank goodness Sam was full of s**t today so I got to see exactly where his intestines are located. ; )

  • http://BrothersComplete.com/ Richard Darlington

    i8ok
    It’s available right now and it’s called The Allergy Formula, but I’m not certain when this present batch will run out and it will be necessary to run the NEXT BATCH. Straight up enough for you? This was explained fairly clearly in previous posts – seems like you’re laying a Jodi on me – but we’ve all moved on at Dr Mike’s request.

  • Toxed2loss

    Hey Betsy,
    Nicely summarized! Maybe this should be reposted on the “Canine Nutrition, Forum Thread?” We can re-post that video too. :-)