Beneful Dog Food (Dry)

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Rating: ★☆☆☆☆

Beneful Dog Food receives the Advisor’s lowest rating of 1 star.

The Beneful product line includes eight dry dog foods, seven claimed to meet AAFCO nutrient profiles for all life stages and one for adult maintenance.

The following is a list of recipes available at the time of this review.

  • Beneful Original
  • Beneful Playful Life
  • Beneful IncrediBites
  • Beneful Healthy Smile
  • Beneful Healthy Fiesta
  • Beneful Healthy Weight
  • Beneful Healthy Radiance
  • Beneful Healthy Growth for Puppies

Beneful IncrediBites was selected to represent the other products in the line for this review.

Beneful IncrediBites

Dry Dog Food

Estimated Dry Matter Nutrient Content

Protein = 31% | Fat = 14% | Carbs = 47%

Ingredients: Ground yellow corn, chicken by-product meal, corn gluten meal, whole wheat flour, animal fat preserved with mixed-tocopherols, beef, rice flour, soy flour, meat and bone meal, propylene glycol, sugar, salt, phosphoric acid, mono and dicalcium phosphate, animal digest, potassium chloride, tricalcium phosphate, sorbic acid (a preservative), non-fat yogurt, dried carrots, dried peas, calcium propionate (a preservative), choline chloride, l-lysine monohydrochloride, vitamin E supplement, zinc sulfate, ferrous sulfate, manganese sulfate, red 40, niacin, vitamin A supplement, yellow 5, yellow 6, copper sulfate, vitamin B12 supplement, calcium pantothenate, blue 2, thiamine mononitrate, garlic oil, pyridoxine hydrochloride, riboflavin supplement, vitamin D3 supplement, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of vitamin K activity), calcium iodate, folic acid, biotin, sodium selenite

Fiber (estimated dry matter content) = 4.7%

Red items indicate controversial ingredients

Estimated Nutrient Content
MethodProteinFatCarbs
Guaranteed Analysis27%12%NA
Dry Matter Basis31%14%47%
Calorie Weighted Basis28%30%42%
Protein = 28% | Fat = 30% | Carbs = 42%

The first ingredient in this dog food is corn. Corn is an inexpensive and controversial cereal grain. And aside from its energy content, this grain is of only modest nutritional value to a dog.

For this reason, we do not consider corn a preferred component in any dog food.

The second ingredient is chicken by-product meal, a dry rendered product of slaughterhouse waste. It’s made from what’s left of a slaughtered chicken after all the prime cuts have been removed.

In addition to organs (the nourishing part), this stuff can contain almost anything — feet, beaks, undeveloped eggs — anything except feathers.

On the brighter side, by-product meals are meat concentrates and contain nearly 300% more protein than fresh chicken.

In any case, although this item contains all the amino acids a dog needs, we consider chicken by-products an inexpensive, lower quality ingredient.

The third ingredient is corn gluten meal. Gluten is the rubbery residue remaining once corn has had most of its starchy carbohydrate washed out of it.

Although corn gluten meal contains 60% protein, this ingredient would be expected to have a lower biological value than meat.

And less costly plant-based products like this can notably boost the total protein reported on the label — a factor that must be considered when judging the actual meat content of this dog food.

The fourth ingredient is wheat flour, a highly-refined product of wheat milling. Like corn, wheat is an inexpensive and controversial cereal grain of only modest nutritional value to a dog.

For this reason, we do not consider wheat a preferred component in any dog food.

The fifth ingredient is animal fat. Animal fat is a generic by-product of rendering, the same high-temperature process used to make meat meals.

Since there’s no mention of a specific animal, this item could come from almost anywhere: roadkill, spoiled supermarket meat, dead, diseased or dying cattle — even euthanized pets.

For this reason, we do not consider generic animal fat a quality ingredient.

The sixth ingredient is beef. Although it’s a quality item, raw beef contains about 80% water. After cooking, most of that moisture is lost, reducing the meat content to just a fraction of its original weight.

After processing, this item would probably account for a smaller part of the total content of the finished product.

The seventh ingredient is rice flour. Rice flour is made from either white or brown rice and is considered a gluten-free substitute for wheat flour.

The eighth ingredient is soy flour, a high-protein by-product of soybean processing.

Although soy flour contains about 51% protein, this ingredient would be expected to have a lower biological value than meat.

And less costly plant-based products like this can notably boost the total protein reported on the label — a factor that must be considered when judging the actual meat content of this dog food.

The ninth ingredient is meat and bone meal, a dry “rendered product from mammal tissues, including bone, exclusive of any added blood, hair, hoof, horn, hide trimmings, manure, stomach and rumen contents”.1

Meat and bone meal can have a lower digestibility than most other meat meals.

Scientists believe this decreased absorption may be due to the ingredient’s higher ash and lower essential amino acid content.2

What’s worse, this particular item is anonymous. Since there’s no mention of a specific animal, this ingredient could come from almost anywhere: spoiled supermarket meat, roadkill, dead, diseased or dying livestock — even euthanized farm animals.

Even though meat and bone meals are still considered protein-rich meat concentrates, we do not consider a generic ingredient like this a quality item.

From here, the list goes on to include a number of other items.

But to be realistic, ingredients located this far down the list (other than nutritional supplements) are not likely to affect the overall rating of this product.

With nine notable exceptions

First, this product contains the controversial food moisturizer, propylene glycol. Propylene glycol has been banned by the FDA for use in making cat food.

However, it can still be found in some commercial dog foods.

Second, we note the inclusion of sugar. Sugar is always an unwelcome addition to any dog food. Because of its high glycemic index, it can unfavorably impact the blood glucose level of any animal soon after it is eaten.

Next, this food contains animal digest. Animal digest is a chemically hydrolyzed mixture of animal by-products that is typically sprayed onto the surface of a dry kibble to improve its taste.

In addition, this recipe contains dried peas. Dried peas are a good source of carbohydrates. Plus they’re naturally rich in dietary fiber.

However, dried peas contain about 27% protein, a factor that must be considered when judging the meat content of this dog food.

Next, we’re always disappointed to find artificial coloring in any pet food. That’s because coloring is used to make the product more appealing to humans — not your dog. After all, do you really think your dog cares what color his kibble is?

We also note that garlic can be a controversial item. Although many favor the ingredient for its claimed health benefits, garlic has been linked to Heinz body anemia in dogs.3

So, one must weigh the potential benefits of feeding garlic against its proven tendency to cause subclinical damage to the red blood cells of the animal.

Next, we find no mention of probiotics, friendly bacteria applied to the surface of the kibble after processing to help with digestion.

In addition, the minerals listed here do not appear to be chelated. And that can make them more difficult to absorb. Non-chelated minerals are usually associated with lower quality dog foods.

And lastly, this food contains menadione, a controversial form of vitamin K linked to liver toxicity, allergies and the abnormal break-down of red blood cells.

Since vitamin K isn’t required by AAFCO in either of its dog food nutrient profiles, we question the use of this substance in any canine formulation.

Beneful Dog Food
The Bottom Line

Judging by its ingredients alone, Beneful Dog Food looks like a below-average dry product.

But ingredient quality by itself cannot tell the whole story. We still need to estimate the product’s meat content before determining a final rating.

The dashboard displays a dry matter protein reading of 31%, a fat level of 14% and estimated carbohydrates of about 47%.

As a group, the brand features an average protein content of 30% and a mean fat level of 12%. Together, these figures suggest a carbohydrate content of 50% for the overall product line.

And a fat-to-protein ratio of about 41%.

Near-average protein. Below-average fat. And near-average carbs when compared to a typical dry dog food.

When you consider the protein-boosting effect of the corn gluten meal, soy flour and dried peas, this looks like the profile of a kibble containing a moderate amount of meat.

Bottom line?

Beneful Dog Food is a plant-based kibble using a moderate amount of chicken by-product meal as its main source of animal protein, thus earning the brand 1 star.

Not recommended.

Please note certain recipes are sometimes given a higher or lower rating based upon our estimate of their total meat content and (when appropriate) their fat-to-protein ratios.

A Final Word

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Each review is offered in good faith and has been designed to help you make a more informed decision when buying dog food.

However, due to the biological uniqueness of every animal, none of our ratings are intended to suggest feeding a particular product will result in a specific dietary response or health benefit for your pet.

For a better understanding of how we analyze each product, please read our article, "The Problem with Dog Food Reviews".

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Have an opinion about this dog food? Or maybe the review itself? Please know we welcome your comments.

Other spellings: Beniful

Notes

03/26/2015 Last Update

  1. Association of American Feed Control Officials, 2008 Edition
  2. Shirley RB and Parsons CM, Effect of Ash Content on Protein Quality of Meat and Bone Meal, Department of Animal Sciences, University of Illinois, Poultry Science, 2001 80: 626-632
  3. Yamato et al, Heinz Body hemolytic anemia with eccentrocytosis from ingestion of Chinese chive (Allium tuberosum) and garlic (Allium sativum) in a dog, Journal of the American Animal Hospital Association 41:68-73 (2005)
  • mahoraner niall

    Has anyone seen purinas new “BIG” campaign? their uote is “making a BIG difference in the life of pets”

    my 2 questions are
    1 if the pet is eating purina, they dont even have a life since they’re ALREADY DEAD from eating purina, so that makes no sense
    2, hmm, i think they realized how many dogs they have killed in the span of 1 year and that is a BIG difference

  • Roger Wilko

    It is Pure Vita Turkey for my dog… all the way. Great food.

  • mahoraner niall

    Forgot to mention that all of the prices were from http://www.walmart.com

  • T P

    I actually have a medical degree, am well regarded in the medical community, and even now, again, you are stating a falsehood. Many, many medications have been approved by the fda and later been found to cause many horrible conditions including death. If a medication causes your heart to fail, you died because you can not liveven without a functioning heart. You die because your heart doesn’t work, but your heart doesn’t work because the medication destroyed the muscles and tissues of your heart. Therefore, the medication is the reason for your death, however heart failure is the cause of your death. It’s great if you love beneful, facts prove their ingredients are poor quality, low cost and could be a cause of health problems in pets. If you want to choose to keep feeding that great. Please take a moment to note, out of all the people that have commented, you are the ONLY person that is pushing for beneful. Have you ever heard the saying, if you are the only common denominator in a situation then you need to take a look at your behavior and beliefs. It is not always everyone else that is wrong, sometimes it’s you. You’re statement saying you cam be rude, disrespectful and plain mean and pass lies as truth because other people do it is compete rubbish. That’s the same as saying, I can kill people because other people did it first. It’s wrong, you don’t get to do it because someone else did it first. That makes for a strong statement to how poor your character is.

  • T P

    I apologize for the typo, ‘that feed it with the. ..’

  • T P

    You need to do your research less superfluous, beneful, under that name has had class action lawsuits and thousands and thousands of complaints from dog owners that fedoesn’t it witty the EXACT same complaints of symptoms up to and including death. Beneful is not any better than alpo or any other cheap unhealthy dog food out there, they just added a higher price to make you feel better for buying their crap. You get to choose what to feed your dog, and if crap food is okay with you, then that’s cool. But please, do not try and tell thousands of people they are wrong and that beneful is a good choice. It isn’t and never will be unless the company actually starts using better ingredients. Bet if you stop feeding beneful or some other cheap butt dog crap your dog would be healthier and happier.

  • T P

    Taste of the wild, is above average and recommended. Not too expensive either. That’s what I fed my dogs before switching to orijen, but that’s very very expensive. You can get totw at tractor supply, I used to buy it there. Alternatively you can have it auto shipped through chewy.com, I started using them and it’s great, I don’t ever have to worry about running out, plus they give a discount for autoships. You can also customize when your order ships or do a, ‘send now ‘ shipping is free over a low number and it’s always to me in no more than 2 days.

  • mahoraner niall

    beneful original first five ingredients

    Whole grain corn
    meat and bone meal
    corn gluten meal
    animal fat preserved with mixed-tocopherols
    soybean meal,

    dog chow first five ingredients

    Ground yellow corn
    chicken by-product meal
    corn gluten meal
    whole wheat flour
    animal fat preserved with mixed-tocopherols

    alpo come and get it first five ingredients

    Ground yellow corn
    corn germ meal
    beef and bone meal
    soybean meal
    animal fat preserved with mixed-tocopherols

    Similarities in just the first five ingredients :

    * all contain animal fat from an anonymous source
    * all contain AT LEAST 2 versions of corn
    * all three have by products from the meat industry (beef/bone meal and chicken by products)
    * all have a corn product as the first ingredient

    Pretty similar in my opinion,

    and at walmart…

    Beneful sells for $1.17 (based on the 15.5lb bag price)
    Alpo sells for $0.95 a pound (based on the 16lb bag price)
    Dog chow sells for $0.63 a pound (based on the 20lb bag price)

    This just proves that purina just wants $$$$

    how can i tell?

    if the price for 15lbs of dog chow is $9.45
    and the price for 15lbs of beneful is $17.55

    so basically your paying almost DOUBLE for the same “quality” food.

    And sure, some may say “$8 isn’t THAT big of a difference ” well, if your purina, and have MILLIONS of people buying these three foods every day, thats alot of money for purina.

    so sad that they trick so many innocent consumers who know nothing better than dog chow, alpo and beneful.

  • mahoraner niall

    i think when they said playful life, they meant PAINFUL life

    oh wait, if the dog is eating beneful, they don’t even have a life any more, literally.

  • Roger Wilko

    I most certainly am not lying about the tragedy of what happened to our beloved dog. I am referring to propylene glycol. Just because the FDA says it’s okay, I’m not buying it.

    This is from the Agency for Toxic Substances Disease Registry:
    Propylene glycol is used by the chemical, food, and pharmaceutical industries as an antifreeze when leakage might lead to contact with food.

    They actually put this stuff in food because it’s sweet and dogs love it. Let’s see the outcome of the class action lawsuits over Beneful. Better safe than sorry. We still miss our pup.

  • Roger Wilko

    True. My beloved dog, Acey, was healthy, playful and full of the devil.
    He died in agony from liver failure due to Beneful, which he loved because of the sweet anti freeze they put in it. He was four.

  • Roger Wilko

    Why is this banned in cat food but not dog food?

  • Amateria

    Its too bad some people just won’t listen to us trying to help them and continue to feed this rubbish.

  • LabsRawesome

    Yep. One look at the ingredient list tells me that its pure garbage. Beneful is not fit for any living thing to eat.

  • Independent Thinker

    My Dalmatian started getting major inflammation in his from left leg joint. Took him to vet, over $800.00 later used medications to fix. 3 weeks later back. Was feeding Beneful with salmon for extra omega 3. He would howl in pain at the slightest touch, would cry out just moving. Got medications refilled. same result. Found Gentle Giant dog food and started feeding him. After first week noticed less limping. Joint issues have since gone away. No more pain at all. Beneful is absolute poison in my view. Stay as far away as possible from that product as you can, it will kill your dog. Read somewhere that has ingredients imported from China. Don’t know if it is true or not, but back a couple of years ago they were getting rid of waste biproducts that killed many pets. Buyer beware!

  • gary

    Don’t buy this product!!! Do research!!!! It was killing my 5 year old beagle. Once I did research and checked out the lawsuits. I switched dog food and now my beagle is healthy and very happy. what to look for; seizures followed by throwing up and no bowel control!!! It took my beagle 5 to 20 mins to recover after each episode. He hasn’t had one seizure this last year.

  • Kathy Carpenter

    hi im sorry about your kitty too the dog food was the only thing it could have been cause little bit was drinking abnormal amounts of water too but shewas okay i saved the bag but your right there wasnt enough kibble left to test and since i had buttercup put down in a hurry i didnt think at all cause i was nearly hysterical trying to deal with her death i thought later i should have taken her body to my vet or had her tested to verify cause of death at that vet but it was too late it was two years ago on april 3rd it still hurts thank you for your reply to my comment but i still believe in my heart it was the dog food that did her in

  • Pitlove

    Hi Kathy-

    Sorry for the loss of your dog. Unfortunetly, without having the food sent off to a lab and tested for contaiminants, you can not ever know for a fact if that particular Purina brand killed your dog.

    My 6 year old cat who I believed was completely healthy dropped dead Christmas Eve 2014. He was acting completely normal that morning before I went to work.To this day we don’t know what killed him. Sometimes underlying issues present themselves at the worst times and sometimes there are issues with our animals that we don’t even know about, that are fatal. Either way it hurts and we look for answers…

  • Kathy Carpenter

    hi i didnt sue purina but i should have what people think or doesent think doesent matter i can only tell you about 1 brand of purina dogfood behappy dry food chicken flavor murdered my dog in 2 bags 2 small bags ihad 2 healthy happy no prior health issues dogs ive fed them purina and other brands all their lives and i had a wolf hybred for 16half years who all did fine on all brands and im telling you it IS POSSIBLE 1 OR 2 BAGS OF POISIONOUS DOG FOODcan kill your pet i did not use her food as an excuse for her horrible horrible deathmy other dog survived buttercup always ate most of the dry food and that was the first time i ever tried this be happy food at the end of the second bag she was dead extremly thirsty exessively thirsty water bowl empty in the last days she was lethargic dehydrated vomiting brown water and i had made a vet appt for monday morn but i had to call a vet close by t have her put down cause she was in my arms suffering almost dead they said her organs and kidneys had shut down i made the right decision and with my daughter yelling no mom i had them put her down so YES 2 little bags of poison caused all this grief purina paid for the emerency vet bill and the vet bill to take my other dog and make sure she was okayi will never feed my pets purina again any purina food since then be happy has been removed from the shelves thank god it is purinas responsibility to make all their products safe for all pets that consume it yes even the cheap stuff should be safe but it not and buttercup is dead because of purina and their poisonus dog food ingredients

  • Amateria

    Wow what an epic wall of text, this site has had its fair share of those and this one was no different.

    And I read it all god help me :p

  • losul

    I agree it’s right to flag any foods with it in it, or to any other controversial, or potentially problem causing ingredients.

    I remember reading that certain Japanese breeds were genetically more susceptible to developing hemolytic anemia, and, So if I had those breeds, I would definitely want to be aware. Individual sensitivity also perhaps.

    I recall also some people reporting that some of the dehydrated foods smelled overwhelmingly strong of garlic

  • aimee

    Hi Drake David,

    I agree that garlic in very tiny amounts isn’t going going to have an overall adverse effect on the dog. It could be said though that there is an adverse effect at the cellular level.

    I agree completely to always use recent references . However, in the case of toxins I find it unnecessary and unethical to test a toxin every few years to see if it is still a toxin.

    There are very few studies regarding garlic levels. There is information that supports level X is toxic and level Z is presumed safe but for the levels between X and Z there is no information. The reference cited is the best we have and is valid

    I have no concerns about the level of garlic in this food but I have purchased food in which the amount of garlic in the food gave it an overwhelmingly strong garlic odor. I choose not to feed that product.

    It is right for Dr Mike to flag garlic to alert the consumer to its presence in the food. A level safe in one dog may result in a severe problem for another due to individual sensitivity.

  • You said… “I have factual proof you are LYING. Wiki does not say that about
    scientist. here is the REAL link and the REAL definition of a scientist.”

    Please read the Wiki reference again.

    Under the heading “Description” in that same Wiki article, you’ll find the EXACT same words I included in the quoted text in my last comment to you.

    Since I AM a scientist (by profession), I find your defamatory accusation that I am a liar discourteous and offensive.

    Your disregard of common human courtesy toward everyone you have abused and offended here has done nothing to further your cause.

    Your hostility is not welcome in this community.

    Before you post on any other website, I would suggest you learn how to act in a more civil and sociable manner.

  • Not a single one of these 3 “articles” qualifies as a peer-reviewed scientific reference. And none negates the facts presented in our published references.

    However, what IS clear is that you are here to foment discord and promote your unscientific and accusatory agenda.

    I once again call your attention to our stated rules that have been posted here for over 5 years.

    Since you have obviously chosen to either not read them at all — or to ignore them altogether, I will post them for you here:

    A Special Warning to Trolls and Other Anti-Socials

    “Rest assured, the moderators of this community currently maintain a zero tolerance policy for any of the kind of offensive or anti-social behaviors described above.

    “This includes remarks that are rude, disrespectful, mean-spirited, profane or otherwise lack good manners.

    “So, if in our sole opinion you are believed to be guilty of any of these unwelcome infractions, you can be absolutely certain your offending comments will be immediately deleted.

    “And you could be forever banned from posting anywhere on this website.

    “That’s a promise.”

  • Drake David

    Well now I have factual proof you are LYING. Wiki does not say that about scientist. here is the REAL link and the REAL definition of a scientist.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientist

    A scientist is a person engaging in a systematic activity to acquire knowledge. In a more restricted sense, a scientist may refer to an individual who uses the scientific method.[1] The person may be an expert in one or more areas of science.[2]
    This article focuses on the more restricted use of the word. Scientists
    perform research toward a more comprehensive understanding of nature, including physical, mathematical and social realms.

    How many times do you want me to prove you wrong?

    What inflammatory have I posted? I guess you are a troll because you posted inflammatory statement about what a scientist is also about Garlic. If it upsets people because they are disagreed with then everyone on this board including yourself is a troll because you have upset me so by your own words you would be considered a troll.

    Also show me one thing I posted off topic? Everything I said to you is on topic. Sorry you do not understand the wide range of science and that the world is round not flat. Because what you propose is that the world and a discussion is flat and is not something that evolves into many subjects that can and should be used as supporting argument.

  • Drake David

    For good faith here about Garlic see how fast it was for me?

    https://www.vetinfo.com/garlic-dogs-safe.html

    http://www.petguide.com/health/dog/the-shocking-truth-about-dogs-and-garlic/

    http://www.natural-dog-health-remedies.com/garlic-for-dogs.html

    See look at that 5 mins and I have read 3 articles and posted all three while there was also 2 against Garlic PERIOD neither stated a single DR as evidence one being Nationwide insurance company. Banfield they stated it is bad but did not say in what amount.

    While the three I posted all say it is toxik in large doses and extreme caution needs to be taken in the amount allowed.

    THERE you wanted recent proof and said it was highly unlikely I could find it well again I have proven you wrong and I would expect if your intentions are true you will say sorry I missed those and adjust your post.

  • Drake David

    Why thank you and just because we do not believe Beneful is bad does not mean we are trolls of work for Beneful or Purina as many of your members here have said and you have no once stood up and corrected them. But the second it is said towards your side you are all up in arms screaming doesnt mean we are but you are every bit OK with them doing to others.

    Nah you go look it up your the blogger your the one who claims to have done the research so you tell me if any exists and IF I know some does then I will post the link to prove you wrong other wise no do your own journalism.

    So now everything I say is silly because you claim to know everything there is to know? You have researched the millions of medical findings?

    As I said outdated exactly what you defined it as. I must say the other blogs are correct you are one sided its either your way or you name call.

    Also actually yes in science dated material is always questioned as being outdated due to the time when it was published.Steven Hawking has said this numerous times. So has Neal DeGrassi Tyson. Neal just talked about it on his last show and how the science community views science. Anything 5 years old he said needs to be reproved as science changes daily.

    To prove you have no clue what I am talking about my I-Phone comment proves that it is called technology Just as dog food as technology changes so does how they make the food and what goes in it changes.

    So YOU do your homework yourself and come back and let me know your findings I have seen enough of the lack of actually doing the research themselves is done on this board. Half the time when they post links they do not even read the link before they post it and then when the link confirms me they argue that I do not know how to read. So instead of spending my time which you can not afford you do it yourself and show me hell Ill even give you a 5 year window.

  • According to Wiki…

    A scientist is someone who has “a desire to understand why the world is as we see it and how it came to be.

    “They exhibit a strong curiosity about reality… and by “the desire to apply scientific knowledge for the benefit of people’s health, the nations, the world, nature or industries…”.

    Here’s Wikipedia’s official definition of an Internet troll…

    A troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion…”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

  • We’re not talking about iPhones. We’re talking about science. Scientific facts are facts.

    They don’t change just because they get old.

    Where are you getting such bogus and inaccurate ideas?

    In science, no peer-reviewed study becomes “outdated” just because it is a certain age.

    A scientific study only becomes “outdated” when it has been disproved.

    Please provide some 2016 scientific studies that discredit or disprove any of the references provided in that article.

    Good luck with that.

  • Drake David

    ACTUALLY that was revised by Supreme court justice Scalia in 2002 and again in 2010.

    Where you make yourself liable is because you state the fact that YOU monitor this board and pick and choose what is allowed.

    Disqus the owner of the site for which your blog is loaded on disagrees with you and in there terms of service it states you must conform to there rules and regulations you do not set the rules. The ONLY thing you have the ability to remove me for is cussing and now that you have warned me on that you can not go back and further the punishment as it would be double jeopardy which then allows me to open a claim against you with Disqus.

    This exact argument is already a blog on this site with many quoted copy and pasted pieces from there terms of service.

    The argument that was last heard by Justice Scalia was the ability to sue the home onwer for a fight that happened on there property but did not have anything to do with the owner. it was ruled that that the owner of any said property including property of web based is liable for actions of its followers or members. further proof look at the beginning of most TV shows and news reports. ALL put up a disclaimer stating they are not responsible for the views of this program and in no way shape or form officially support such aired items this is even posted in news papers.and magazines Disqus even posts that so you bloggers can not get them into trouble and sued..

  • Drake David

    Yes I did and it is outdated.

    Association of American Feed Control Officials, 2008 Edition 2008 is NOT 2016

    Shirley RB and Parsons CM, Effect of Ash Content on Protein Quality of
    Meat and Bone Meal, Department of Animal Sciences, University of
    Illinois, Poultry Science, 2001 80: 626-632

    2001 is NOT 2016

    Yamato et al, Heinz Body hemolytic anemia with eccentrocytosis from
    ingestion of Chinese chive (Allium tuberosum) and garlic (Allium
    sativum) in a dog, Journal of the American Animal Hospital Association
    41:68-73 (2005)

    2005 is NOT 2016

    Science and medical science is not something that only changes once every century it changes monthly.It is kind of like posting information on I-Phone one as your information for I-Phone 6.

    Another item of source Medical Marijuana take medical knowledge from 2014 you will find that the old 1960s reports still was what the government used as there fight on drugs. Then in 2015 those scientists stepped forward and admitted to falsifying those studies and in many case admitted to never running the studies.

    Before I posted I spoke with a family member and people I know that are journalist and each said the same thing that if they where to submit a story with OLD sources it would NEVER be published. I was also told that journalism 101 teaches to use current with in 3 years links as source information and note this always that the data is not brand new so there is a possibility that the information may be out dated but i did not find anything.

    Sorry I know this is seeming like a attack of your ethics it is not it is simply stating a fact that I would like to see you update and show the new medical studies. Honestly other wise it shows people who want to see the FACTS that can not be questioned a look that possibly you used these sources because they benefited your point of view not because they are current factual information.

    NOW you are becoming hostile the exact same thing you said is to not be allowed. Instead of saying here is current references that support what I posted you came back at me attacking. I get it you hate Purina that is your personal belief but at least post your personal opinion and set it as a biased blog. Just as many of your followers here have been removed from other blogs regarding this foo because they refused to support there claims and when asked to support them by the blog writers they refused and instead attacked the writers as trolls and being paid by Purina to Blog. Which then allows the question how many of the people on here being paid by a high priced company direct competitor of Purina to post on here to try and bring business to them instead of Purina.

  • What on earth are you talking about?

    Butylated hydoxyanisole (BHA) as well as beta hydroxy acid are the generic names of their respective chemical compounds.

    As such, they are not and cannot be registered as brand names with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO).

    In addition, Roger (or anyone else, for that matter) is responsible and can be held liable for what he himself posts on this or any other website.

    However… no blog owner can be held legally responsible for what others publish on his privately held website.

    Before you make any further threats to me or any other website owner, be sure to familiarize yourself with Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act which was passed by Congress by near unanimous vote in 1996.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_230_of_the_Communications_Decency_Act

    For this reason, I have no intention of verifying the accuracy of the statements made by the thousands of participants in the more than 165,000 comments posted on this website over the past 6+ years.

    Before you concern yourself with the scientific accuracy or attitude of others, why not start by working on the rude, unfriendly and inaccurate nature of your own.

    Posting comments on this website is a privilege… not a Constitutional right.

  • Did you take the time to click on the link provided in this review? Or did you bother to check the 4 other scientific references provided in the footnotes of that article?

    Try again…

    http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/red-flag-ingredients/dog-food-garlic/

  • Drake David

    Your number 3 regarding Garlic that is out dated information that is now going on 11 years old in 2008 the American Heart association came out with a study that disproved that study and is widely regarded by all in the science field and Doctor fields as truth. They completely disproved that Garlic attacks the red Blood cells in any living being human or animal testing was on 45 different dog breeds and zero came back with heart issues. To see if it would hurt a animal with heart issues they tried it on 5 with known heart issues and yes those five though the blood pressure lowered the white blood cells attacked the red blood cells because they already had immune issues.

    In the end the findings posted was that Garlic in animals with heart issues is not a wise ingredient not in amounts that these foods use. At lower doses say you make your pet a home cooked meal once a week yes a sprinkle of garlic is helpful.

  • Crazy4dogs

    I saw the original post, before it was “edited by moderator”. I can’t believe this guy is still on here. I guess he’s out to tear down every single post on this page. 🙁

  • LabsRawesome

    Where in ALV’s post did you read that they 27 the food they feed their dog?
    The 27 at the bottom of their post is the number of up votes they received.

  • Drake David

    Sorry but I highly doubt two things 1 that you where a chemist and now a dog kennel service. Ummm everyone liking this comment I’ve got water front property to sell you cheap in Oklahoma.

    2 that you are that rude to your customers and still have any. If you told me that is flat out tell you 2 things first when you pay my bills you can tell me what to feed my pet ok make that 3 things 2 I would like to see your DRs license 3 F off I’m not a child save your lectures for someone who is to stupid to see through your self centered ego.

    You 27 the food your feed your pet what ever that is if you went to a kennel to board your pet and first off got a lecture on food and insulted would you honestly trust that joke of a kennel to actually follow your instructions? Care for your pet as you would?

  • Crazy4dogs

    LOL, Right? Those disclaimers make the disease sound like it’s better than the “cure”!

  • Crazy4dogs

    Thanks for intervening Dr. Mike. I’ve chosen not to reply to Drake David anymore because I saw no point in doing so as it only fueled his incorrect postings.
    🙁

  • Drake David

    Mike us patents office shows BHA as the acid BH is patented as the food additive if the company that owns the BHA patent wanted to they could file a claim and end the additive from using the BHA and it would then have to use its own BH name.

    Thanks for the repeat posting of the wiki link as I had already posted it prior.

    As far behavior goes if people are going to attack others then we the accused have the right to confront our accusers and relay to them there same treatment back. This is not a one way street. If it is I can always get my lawyer involved and let them fight it out and we both know I will win. Profanity yes you have a valid point but to single me out as the only one attacking people that is the argument that should be raised. As I have said in another post I am only returning the abuse being given to all on this board that get attacked for the choice we as Americans are allowed under the constitution of the United States of America have the right of freedom of speech to be used with out persecution. So I would appreciate it that you warn all who are part of this and that there behaviors as well should not be tolerated.

    If not that’s cool anyone can blog and anyone can do a bri-blog on this blog. So in the end it really just comes down to one thing same thing I said in another choice people either can respect other people’s opinions or they can continue to act the way they are and in that case if I get banned so be it I can forward the legal lible to beneful that some have posted here I am sure they will jump for joy knowing they have some great ammo to use in there court cases.

    If you read the long post from lastnight to BC you would see I asked him for some proof going on 24 hours later still no reply. I asked him how he wishes to move forward as adults or childishness. To that you posted the above.

    So now I ask you is this blog ment as a childish blog to stir the pot or attack purina? Or is it a honest blog? If it is a honest blog/discussion board then why do you allow it to go as far as it has gone? Roger posted flat out lible against beneful people are making false claims about what GP is I do not see you correcting them.

  • BHA is the 3-letter acronym for butylated hydroxyanisole — a chemical antioxidant used (primarily) as a food preservative. .

    Even though it uses the same 3-letter acronym, beta hydroxy acid is NOT the same thing. It is not a food additive

    Here’s a link to an article about this topic I wrote and posted on this website over 6 years ago:

    http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/red-flag-ingredients/bha-in-dog-food/

    By the way, David…

    The Dog Food Advisor community encourages “courteous critiques, polite debate and calm disagreement”.

    Unfortunately, your recent remarks and profanities compel me to remind you to please adhere to Our Commenting Policy which states:

    “… we delete comments that exceed the boundaries of courteous behavior. This includes remarks that are rude, profane, mean-spirited, disrespectful, lack good manners…”

    Posting comments in this community is a privilege. Please consider yourself duly warned.

  • Drake David

    1 testing right after and the retesting on Friday completely different he has had now two MRIs full blood works and is 100% healthy. So no the food is 0% related

    2 our 8 year old dog after all the testing has been deemed able to live past the normal lab expected age and they believe he could reach 20 every level in his system is perfect. The diet he gets is a perfect balance for him and that diet is beneful.

    3 beneful is not one of the poorest foods on the market. It is one of the highest selling brands on the market and it now has passed Kirkland in real rating for nutritional value. It has also passed pro one and I can not remember the other two brands.

    The only people out there screaming this food is so bad are private bloggers and people who continually quote science wrong. Is it a top of the line food nope not even close but is it in the bottom 25% not even close. Since they made the changes in there products that the blogger of this read is to selfish to even review there food grade has done nothing but increase. There brand new salmon line this blogger has no clue they even have. He still thinks they have the fiesta line which has been gone for 5 months now.

    All factors have been considered and it is of DRs not one but 6 all agree his food is not a issue with him at all the seizure was a one time issue because the threshold had been broken due to the two sets of toxik chemicals 1 the carpet shampoo 2 the chemicals the farmer sprayed. Which the county looked into and found out 11 neighbors all had animals who either had a seizure or a stroke the farmer is being charged with gross negligence for not putting up signs that he was going to be spraying toxik chemicals.

    EVERY animal affected all came back with a 100% common testing and that testing all had the exact same chemical in there system and it 100% matches what was sprayed by the farmer. So enough with the oh it might still be the food BS. One of the dogs that died has a diet of blue mountain so I guess since you want to continue pushing that it is diet related let’s all go to blue mountain and say there food killed a dog.

  • Shawna

    Maybe we should ask the original poster if his vet had him do an elimination diet? Asking me won’t get the answer however based on one of his earlier posts my bet would be – no.
    ” My Lab is having seizures and we took him in for lab works and also did the expensive MRI CT scans. I asked that exact question because a friend said it is probly because of Beneful. I was then educated on these seizures and tumors and what causes them.

    1 main cause of seizures in dogs. CROSS BREEDING.
    2 Environment such as chemicals in the water and your own chemicals you put on your yard.
    3 imbalance of diet.”

  • aimee

    Or… it could be that the Dr does understand the role diet plays in seizures and has concluded that this diet isn’t any more likely than any other diet to play a role in any one dog’s seizures.

    Any diet can potentially contribute to seizures through an adverse food reaction. The way to test this would be through taking a dietary history and then doing a properly executed food trial.

  • Shawna

    I think you may have missed the point of my post?

    I stated in the first paragraph that I was glad you figured it out (knowing that you still feed Beneful and dog is now seizure free). My point was that this food, despite what your vet told you, CAN contribute to the seizure threshold. It may not have been the camel that broke the straws back with your dog but it could be for someone else.

    Beneful is a poor quality food with poor quality ingredients. It’s really just that simple. It may or may not have been a contributing factor with your dogs seizures. PG may or may not be problematic. The fact still remains that, when all factors are considered, this food is one of the poorest on the market.

  • aquariangt

    I also didn’t say preservative, but you did say sustain shelf life and preserve. You can read it quite clearly above.

    Your most recent posts tells me you aren’t here to discuss anything, your trollish posts and massively uneducated points are just tiresome. Good luck

  • losul

    You do know that they are a public company now right? with a $3.4B market cap and still sitting on $180M cash.They aren’t going anywhere for awhile.

  • Drake David

    If you have to reread it 59 times then you have proven me correct you lack the IQ of cognitive reading. That’s your problem not mine and no a comma has never saved anyone life. Show me one link where it has ill wait

    Again you did not read the wiki page GP is NOT the anti-freeze it is a added product of the anti-freeze to make it less toxik. Anti-freeze is also made without propolyene but you would not know this because you are to lazy to read the link.

  • Drake David

    You seriously feed your animal alfalfa? Are you freaking kidding me? Do you have a clue what it does to a animals stomach? It is NOT fed to cows because it boils in there stomachs and causes twisted stomachs in a dogs stomach it creates a acid that eats at the lining of your dogs stomach. Don’t even try to tell me it does not I grew up farming and I had to sit there and watch our neighbor put his dog down because it liked to eat our alfalfa.

    Last note no I still did not say it is a preservative. No where in your quoting me does it say GP is used as a preservative you are reading into it what you want to read not what is actually there.

  • Drake David

    Lmao please show me a link to one bakery in the world who sells kibble. Please I’ll be waiting

  • Drake David

    As the single cause nope there is no such case in the courts history or in the medical books. Not as a single cause. Nice try though but you fail again.

  • Drake David

    Shawna why would I read your post? Just from the first paragraph it was a waste of time and something that’s already been covered 11 times days ago. Also no it is impossible the cat has anything close to the same ability to have a seizure due to food. Plus it has already been said 3 times what caused there seizures.

  • Drake David

    Crazy what are you begging him for a blow job?

    I understand just fine what the dr said and it has confirmed what I’ve been saying all along. Also I highly and I mean in a way of betting you 1 million dollars beneful would not kill your dog. Real simple put up or shut up. Save the lame you probly don’t have that much money try me and find out

  • Pitlove

    Depression meds- Common side effects include suicidal thoughts….uh?

  • theBCnut

    They don’t ADD propylene glycol to the antifreeze to make it safer for humans. The propylene glycol IS the antifreeze. They started using it because animals like the taste of ethylene glycol, so it’s safer for animals.

    I have no problem reading your words, but meaning is affected by the use of punctuation. I don’t like wasting my time rereading your inconsiderate post 50 times trying to guess where commas and periods belong. Let’s eat Gramma. Let’s eat, Gramma. Punctuation saves lives.

    And now, you have proved yourself to be uneducable, and I’m through responding to you. Have a nice day.

  • aquariangt

    Now we’re getting somewhere.

    First, I appreciate your discussion on GMOs and Organics, but that wasn’t the topic at hand, nor i think is this the proper forum for such a discussion. I agree and disagree on certain points, but overall, there is a vast misunderstanding in general about BOTH of those things-i work in food so i see the sides you are saying. I do however, think that all species-human and canine as well as others-benefit from eating whole foods over those processed, be it GMO, organic, what have you. I also no longer use kibble for my dogs except for the occasional puzzle toy.

    You hadn’t yet given me an answer regarding the benefit of PG, but now you did, so thank you. However, I do disagree on that point. You mentioned all dog foods needed an additive to bind it? And you still mention it’s needed as a binding agent? Coming from this paragraph:

    “Answer: because that is how all dog foods are made period. Many additives are added for one to sustain shelf life as a purpose if no additive was put in to preserve the food it would rot within a week. Secondly additives are put in to for the kibble as natural food does not have binding agents in them it has to come from a outside additive.”

    I would like to link you a food from the 5 star list here and it’s ingredient list:

    Ingredients: Deboned chicken, chicken meal, turkey meal, potatoes, peas, tomato pomace, dried ground potatoes, ground flaxseed, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), natural chicken flavor, pea fiber, potassium chloride, spinach, broccoli, vitamin E supplement, carrots, parsley, apples, blueberries, kale, sweet potatoes, taurine, l-carnitine, mixed tocopherols added to preserve freshness, zinc proteinate, glucosamine hydrochloride, chondroitin sulfate, zinc sulfate, calcium carbonate, niacin, ferrous sulfate, iron proteinate, beta-carotene, vitamin A supplement, copper sulfate, thiamine mononitrate, copper proteinate, manganese proteinate, manganese sulfate, d-calcium pantothenate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride, chicory root extract, Yucca schidigera extract, riboflavin, vitamin D3 supplement, biotin, calcium iodate, vitamin B12 supplement, folic acid, ascorbic acid (vitamin C), dried Lactobacillus plantarum fermentation product, dried Enterococcus faecium fermentation product, dried Lactobacillus casei fermentation product, dried Lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation product, rosemary extract, green tea extract, spearmint extract

    That’s from wellness core, as you will see, there is no propylene glycol. Just for kicks, I’ll link the ingredient list for what my crew is currently getting down on:

    Ingredients: Duck, duck necks, duck wings, organic kale, duck gizzards, duck hearts, organic carrots, organic squash, duck livers, organic broccoli, organic apples, blueberries, cranberries, organic pumpkin seeds, organic sunflower seeds, montmorillonite clay, organic parsley, organic apple cider vinegar, salmon oil, organic coconut oil, organic quinoa sprout powder, dried organic kelp, alfalfa, vitamin E supplement

    From Primal’s Frozen Food. As you can see, not ALL dog food has these “preserving taste and color” additives in them. Furthermore, I actually think that something to INCREASE shelf life of dog food is doing no dog any services, as it already sits long enough.

  • LabsRawesome

    Hahahahahaha. Yes I have. There are commercials on TV all the time for lawsuits against drug manufacturers. And the ones that say “ask your doctor about this medication.” And then they go through the 10 or so different side affects that are worse than the original problem the meds are supposed to help, some of the side affects include death. It’s crazy

  • Drake David

    Actually it answered it very clearly if you read what PG is and what it is used for.

    I am quoting YOU why would I feed my dog anything with a additive?

    Answer: because that is how all dog foods are made period. Many additives are added for one to sustain shelf life as a purpose if no additive was put in to preserve the food it would rot within a week. Secondly additives are put in to for the kibble as natural food does not have binding agents in them it has to come from a outside additive.

    The problem with you guys is you read only the first line of a chemical and then stop there because you believe you know everything there is to know on that chemical where if you spent the extra 10 mins to read to the bottom you would get a much better education on each chemical and possibly find out it’s not what you thought it was after reading one sentence.

    So many people talk about feeding humans and pets organic. Sad thing is you have no clue what harm that is doing. Or the fact it is not actually organic.

    Before you argue with me here is how I know organic is not organic 1 the water put on the crop has chemicals in it to make it safe for humans to drink. Bye bye organic. 2 if using irrigation water has chemicals to kill off bugs and most irrigation departments spray there canals with not only pesticide but also weed killer. So bye bye again to organic. Now the manure put on the land organic claims they only use natural fertilizers such as manure. Cow poop mainly and cow urine. Umm people hello all farms are required to spray or put lime on the cow feed floors to keep hoof rot under control they are also required to put chemicals on the stored manure to decrease smell and decrease disease.

    Now let’s go to the plant its self bugs have mutated so far in the last 50 years due to the over use of chemicals that now many flies and other insects are carriers of the pesticide. There poop is not fully washed from the plant you are eating. Sorry but not possible.

    I argue for GMO knowledge but sadly these city people who write the laws that are put to vote do not believe that we need to know what is in the natural so called manure of what chemicals are being used at the farms the manure is coming from. It’s the same as trying to build a house starting with the roof first then build the foundation. Sorry but that is moronic.

    Lastly I never ever said GP is a binding agent I said it is NOT anti-freeze I said it is NOT a dangerous chemical I said it is FDA approved I said it is in ice cream and custards and salad dressings and baked goods. So please tell me where in those words I said it is a binding agent? Truth is I never ever said what chemical they use as a binding agent all I said is a additive is required for binding.

  • aquariangt

    What an interesting thought process you took to get to that point. That’s fine, your initial behavior is defensive, I get it. And hey, your opinion on the food has been reinforced by your dog’s being “healthy” so of course that will increase behavior.

    I’m here as most are, because people look for assistance with their dog food, but if someone’s mind won’t change, I’m not going to expend too much worry because I don’t know them, so by extension, you.

    However, my initial question posed to you hasn’t been answered. I’ll ask it again, what is the benefit to this additive, and why should I pay for it? I’ll wait again, I’m patient, and I love education

  • Drake David

    Ya know something just came to mind I do not know why you are crusading so hard against beneful since you do not care what people feed there dogs. So either you are a troll or you are a liar which is it? Either you do not care which makes you a troll or you do care and it makes you a liar.

    Either way your lack of education just landed you in a situation you can not recover from.

  • Drake David

    If anyone needs to learn how to read it is you. No I did not agree with you I said it is used in the human safe form of anti-freeze as a chemical to make it human safe. I know I said that in plain English do you need it said in grade school English? Also if you are unable to understand what a person says over , and . Then you are the one with a low IQ because it is proven fact that a person with a well trained mind can read anything even written backwards and missing letters as long as they have the mental capacity to understand English.

    You did not stay a fact PG is NOT anti-freeze and this proves your lack of knowledge what anti-freeze even is. You are a sad person you point fingers and then lmao do not even have the simple education to read the wiki link on anti-freeze and they many forms and chemicals that it is made from.

  • theBCnut

    Kibble is a bakery product and uses some of the same binders as human bakery products, grain flour, oil, eggs, etc.

  • theBCnut

    I’m guessing that you have never heard of a single medication that was FDA approved and then found to kill people.

  • aquariangt

    I said nothing of the sort. I asked what benefit it’s giving. Why should I pay for a “taste” and “Color” additive that’s put in cheaper food to make it more appealing. You’re so die hard for this item, you must have an answer for that, but you have now multiple times ignored that one real question I’ve asked you.

  • theBCnut

    So, are you admitting that I am right, propylene glycol is a form of anti freeze? I really can’t tell from your gibberish. You should try using standard English and punctuation, including commas, so that people can understand you. If you are trying to say I told you to show proof of something, I didn’t. Your reading comprehension leaves a bit to be desired too. If you are trying to say that I claimed that propylene glycol isn’t used in foods, I never claimed that either. Again, your reading comprehension is suffering. What I did say, and I’ll say it again, is that propylene glycol IS used as antifreeze and you shouldn’t be calling people LIARS for stating a fact.

  • theBCnut

    No, a doctor from Cornell is just fine. It’s your understanding of what a doctor from Cornell wrote versus what other people mean that I call into question. Both C4D and I know that seizures are threshold events and we both know that certain food additives are known for triggering seizures in dogs with seizure issues. The preservatives in Beneful are one such additive. Food dyes(which Beneful is chock full of) are another. I’m glad your dog appears to be doing fine, but your dog isn’t every dog, just like my dog, that would have died on this food, isn’t every dog. Quit telling people they are WRONG and LIARS just because you don’t know where they are coming from. You are the very definition of a troll.

  • Drake David

    So something that is FDA approved and is non-toxic and was only added to anti-freeze to make anti-freeze safer for humans to use is still harmful?

    I’ll bite how is it harmful? Don’t say because it is in anti-freeze because it is not the harmful agent of anti-freeze because without it if you spilled it on your car paint it would eat the paint away with it, it does not.

    So with that being said now it is time for you to defend your words. You over and over want me to defend mine and show links get to it post links that say not blogs scientific study that says what you are saying. Otherwise all you have said is opinion and honestly opinion is BS it means nothing just like this writer above he only reports opinion does not back up with science anything he blogs on.

  • Drake David

    So now you are arguing about your own links you posted? I got that information straight from your own link.

    You also did not read my last comment on BH I said yes it is a additive to food I also said BHA which the A stands for acid is not. BH is your BHA it is commonly know as that but it is not BHA because that is a chemical that has been around for hundreds of year that is why your BH has the BHA in () because it can not be officially known as that because BHA is patterned and you can not share a pattern with two seperate names.

    See this is the problem you sit there and reply to me but you did not even read my post. Your own links said on both inbreeding and cross breeding are major causes for seizures and now you are trying to educate me on the term lmao keep grabbing for straws when your own links fail you.

  • Shawna

    I’m really glad you figured out what was causing the issue with your pets however I wouldn’t exclude the diet, if you are feeding Beneful, as a contributing factor. I understand your cat is not eating it but the diet the cat is on could have similar ingredients. I think it also important to note that seizures often don’t have one identifying cause but multiple factors play a role in the brain inflammation that eventually leads to a seizure disorder. I’ve heard it referred to as a seizure “threshold”. Multiple factors increase the threshold until eventually the symptom occurs.

    Here’s some examples of foods, within the Beneful kibble, that could be either seizure triggers or factors increasing the threshold.

    The gliadin protein in “whole wheat flour” – gluten sensitivity
    “a PubMed literature search (dates 1953–2011) located 162 original articles associating psychiatric and neurologic complications to celiac disease or gluten sensitivity. Thirty-six articles were located for seizure disorders” “As expected, seizure activity was better managed in the patients who received the earliest gluten-free diets [20]. A smaller study of four patients with this triad of symptoms reported that three of the four patients had significant reduction of their seizure activity after going on a gluten-free diet.” http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3641836/

    Soy
    “Cara J. Westmark, PhD, and her team at the Waisman Center for Developmental Disabilities at the University of Wisconsin, Madison, pull no punches when they title an article in the Journal of Alzheimer’s Disease “Soy Exacerbates Seizures in Mouse Models of Neurological Disease” and warn, “These results have important implications for individuals on soy-based diets.”2”

    Free glutamic and aspartic acids (soy is especially high in glutamic acid) – other potential sources in this foods are the corn gluten meal, chicken by-product meal and meat and bone meal.
    “Glutamate is the principal excitatory neurotransmitter in the brain and, as such, it inevitably plays a role in the initiation and spread of seizure activity.” http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7970002

    Gluten from wheat, soy and corn proteins can also damage the gut, in susceptible individuals, in such a way (villous atrophy) that it prevents nutrients, like magnesium, from being absorbed. It is well known that too little magnesium has a role in seizure disorders.

    Sugar (and sugar (glucose) raising carbs)
    “Sweets Are BAD for Seizures”
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3577124/

    A vet suggesting Beneful food would not be implicated in seizure disorders doesn’t understand the role diet plays in seizures.

  • Crazy4dogs

    Drake David,

    This will be my last comment to you since your posts are incorrect on so many levels, it’s hard to begin. It’s also very difficult for people reading these posts to differentiate between what was on the link and what is your comment as you tend to intermingle them without separation by quotes, etc. Some of your comments in this current post don’t make any sense, so I really can’t even comment on them. I will comment on the ones I can.

    First, you stated crossbreeding as a reason for seizures. Your post: “1 main cause of seizures in dogs. CROSS BREEDING.”

    A well known example of crossbreeding is a Labradoodle, the cross of a Labrador Retriever and Poodle. Here is the definition of crossbreeding:

    “Full Definition of crossbreed

    cross·bredplay play -ˌbred, -ˈbredcross·breed·ing

    transitive verb

    : hybridize, cross; especially : to cross (two varieties or breeds) within the same species”

    Source Link: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/crossbreed

    I said inbreeding is a cause, especially when there is a genetic factor already in play, which is supported in my links and in your recent comment wich stated inbreeding is the cause.

    You BHA and BHT comment is absolutely wrong. They are preservatives. They are not used in treating seizures. The link I provided you with said to keep these preservatives away from seizure dogs. Phenobarbitol is the most used drug for treatment of seizures. Here’s a fairly easy to read article that goes through all of the various medications that have been tried to control seizures. BHA and BHT are NEVER mentioned because they are PRESERVATIVES, and not considered to be healthy by many.

    Link that includes what drugs can or have been used to treat seizures:

    http://www.2ndchance.info/epilepsy.htm

    I can’t begin to surmize how my links are proving your point, but, hey dude, enjoy the Beneful. However, my dogs are sad for your dogs.

  • aquariangt

    No see, all you’ve done is post that PG is allowed by the FDA. You’ve attempted to say it’s in food people eat (always the ice cream, every time someone comes here defending propylene glycol) but again, that’s in lower quality foods. You haven’t given me any reason to think for a second I should be buying dog food that has it. Even if it’s not harmful (though I disagree) its certainly not helpful. But AGAIN, go ahead and do what you want. Your dogs aren’t my dogs, and beneful is still crap

  • LabsRawesome

    *accept. And you are the one that is wrong.

  • Drake David

    No I am not you I do not need to make things up. Now your the one pointing fingers with no proof.

    You should stop thinking because so far thinking has lead you to becoming a laughing stock. But wait now you disagree with wiki and the FDA go figure what more could I expect from you other than now saying the FDA is wrong and you are right. Where did you get your DRs degree at and your science degree? Let me guess you have neither but your still correct over DRs and scientist.

    I am not making anything up I told you where to find the information and I posted links your the one who can not except the truth.

  • aquariangt

    Just re read your rant. Still unsure why you are crusading so hard, feed your dog beneful, what do I care? But I love this gem in your post:

    A FOOD based ingredient

    Food? I think not. Again, I urge you to try eating some real foods, as I would anyone who think propylene glycol should classify as “food”.

  • Pitlove

    He’s apparently never even been to the FDA website if he’s been typing in .com all this time….so how could he have seen it!

  • aquariangt

    yeah….now you’re making stuff up 🙂 I have ice cream in my freezer. Not on the ingredient list, haha. Maybe look for some higher quality products for yourself and your dog.

  • Crazy4dogs

    ROFLMAO! I guess he’s never seen all of the fresh produce that lists its country of origin.

    Edit: I’ve bought New Zealand lamb too!

  • aquariangt

    Well, that didn’t answer the question at all. Also of note, PG is NOT a binder, at all. smh

  • Pitlove

    Uh- think you may be a bit confused or something. Perhaps some more research on ingredient sourcing would be helpful for you to understand what I mean?

    Example: There is no available source of rabbit in the USA- so how do we have dog foods that contain rabbit?

  • Drake David

    WRONG BH is a food additive BHA is this.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_hydroxy_acid

    YES BH is also known as BHA but as a research value it is BH

  • Drake David

    WRONG Not allowed under FDA law. Go look up FDA.com and research meat regulations and you will see what you are claiming is not legal or allowed.

  • Drake David

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifreeze

    Propylene glycol

    Propylene glycol

    Propylene glycol,
    on the other hand, is considerably less toxic than ethylene glycol and
    may be labeled as “non-toxic antifreeze”. It is used as antifreeze where
    ethylene glycol would be inappropriate, such as in food-processing
    systems or in water pipes in homes where incidental ingestion may be
    possible. As confirmation of its relative non-toxicity, the FDA allows propylene glycol to be added to a large number of processed foods, including ice cream, frozen custard, salad dressings and baked goods.

    Propylene glycol oxidizes when exposed to air and heat, forming lactic acid.[9][10] If not properly inhibited, this fluid can be very corrosive,[citation needed] so pH buffering agents such as dipotassium phosphate, Protodin and potassium bicarbonate
    are often added to propylene glycol, to prevent acidic corrosion of
    metal components. Pre-inhibited propylene glycol solutions like Dowfrost
    (manufactured by Dow Chemicals, US) and Tonofrost (manufactured by
    Chemtex Speciality Ltd, India) can also be used instead of pure
    propylene glycol to prevent corrosion.

    Besides cooling system corrosion, biological fouling
    also occurs. Once bacterial slime starts to grow, the corrosion rate of
    the system increases. Maintenance of systems using glycol solution
    includes regular monitoring of freeze protection, pH, specific gravity, inhibitor level, color, and biological contamination. Propylene glycol should be replaced when it turns a reddish color.[11]

    A FOOD based ingredient used in ICE CREAM AND CUSTARDS BAKED GOODS plus other things AND IS APPROVED BY THE FDA.

    Now wanna open your mouth again and insert foot? Or do you need more proof because I can gladly go to the FDA web site and put that chemical in there database and have it also show you I am right.

    AHHH HELL I went ahead and went to the FDA web site and put in what Ice Cream brands do not use that chemical in there ice cream?

    Answer None can be found. so who is the one that is clearly a troll Aquariangt? Shows to me you are the one missing a lot of education same for you theBCnut because just like many others on here you open your mouths and insert foot and call people out to show proof and now what? Wiki let me guess and the FDA are both bad sources right?

  • Drake David

    There is no such thing as a dog food sold that is 100% all natural. The Dog food needs a binding ingredient for it to be formed into a pellet this does not happen by anything natural based.

  • Drake David

    What is epilepsy?

    Epilepsy refers to repeated seizures

    over time. Idiopathic means we can’t

    find an underlying cause of the seizures.

    Epilepsy simply refers to repeated seizures. Seizures may occur as a one time event in an animal from a variety of causes,
    but only if the seizures repeat again and again over a period of time
    do we call it epilepsy. Seizures are a sign of brain disease the same
    way a cough is a sign of lung disease. Saying an animal has epilepsy is
    like saying it has a chronic cough; it is a sign of a problem which
    isn’t going away. Anything which damages the brain in the right area
    can cause epilepsy. If we can identify the cause of the seizures, say a
    brain tumor or a stroke, then we say the pet has symptomatic (or
    secondary) epilepsy. That is, the seizures are a symptom of a disease
    process we’ve been able to identify. If we’ve looked and can’t find the
    cause, then we call it idiopathic (or primary) epilepsy. The term idiopathic
    simply means that we don’t know the cause. It may be that the cause
    has escaped our attention; for example, a stroke that is too small to
    detect with routine brain scans or damage that occurred during whelping.

    Many of the idiopathic epileptics have inherited epilepsy:
    epilepsy caused by a mutation in a specific gene which they inherited
    from their parents. Dogs with idiopathic epilepsy frequently begin
    seizing at between one and three years of age, and certain breeds are
    predisposed to develop epilepsy. A few breeds have proven hereditary
    epilepsy, while in most it is just a strong suspicion. One of the goals
    of the Canine Epilepsy Project
    is to identify genes responsible for epilepsy in dogs. This will allow
    us to positively diagnose the hereditary form and take steps to
    decrease the incidence of epilepsy in dogs.

    Again thank you for your time in proving me correct. What part of this DR saying OVER TIME which in medical terms means a min of 6 months is so hard to understand?

    What causes seizures?

    Many things can tip the balance between excitation and inhibition in the
    brain toward too much excitation. Keep in mind, we’re talking about
    the excitatory influences on nerve cells in the brain, not the dog’s
    emotional state. Once a certain threshold of excitation is passed, any
    animal may seize. Things that can push an animal past that threshold
    include toxins, metabolic diseases, and direct damage to the brain.

    Some plants have evolved toxins which cause seizures as a defense
    against insects or other plant eating animals. If your pet eats such
    plants, they could be similarly affected. We utilize some of these
    plant toxins and related chemicals as insecticides to protect our pets
    from fleas and our tomatoes from horn worms, and these insecticides can
    cause seizures if used inappropriately. Other toxins, such as lead and
    some industrial chemicals, can also cause seizures. Thus your
    veterinarian will need to know about potential exposures to these
    compounds if your pet has a seizure.

    AGAIN a second DR saying the samething inbreeding natural disposition or toxins. You keep questioning me and now your own links are showing me to be correct AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN

  • Drake David

    Is what the DR from Cornell now according to you not a good resource?

  • Drake David

    No it does not and your own links kill your argument.

    What
    is a “seizure threshold”?

    Dr. Alexander de Lahunta
    of Cornell University and others suggest that each animal inherits
    a “genetically determined predisposition to seizures”,
    and that seizures occur when this threshold is exceeded. (Cunningham,
    Inherited). In other words, a physical condition (see examples
    under section on secondary epilepsy above) which may cause seizures
    in a low-threshold animal may not cause seizures in a “normal”
    animal.

    That alone puts 99% of you as being wrong. Or wait all of you know more than a cornell DR?

    Crazy that is from your last link your second link web MD was useless it provided no information that was involved in this discussion at all.

  • theBCnut

    I believe he has read something and misinterpreted it. I agree, hard to say, but definitely a misunderstanding about epilepsy, including cause versus trigger.

  • Crazy4dogs

    I know, it’s hard to say where he’s getting the info from. But the neurologists are saying that when it’s a series of seizures, no matter what the cause, it is considered a form of epilepsy.There are forms of genetic and idiopathic epilepsy that occur at younger ages.

  • theBCnut

    There’s an article about this on this site too, if you would care to learn something more.

  • theBCnut

    The new safer antifreezes are propylene glycol. Could you do just a little more research before you call everybody on this site a liar?!? You could even do a search here for an article about it and about several other things you have called people a liar over. Just because you know nothing about it doesn’t make it false and it especially doesn’t make people liars.

  • theBCnut

    Common age of onset of seizure in an epilepsy dog is between the ages of 1 and 2 years old, and it is extremely rare for epileptic seizures to begin after age 3 or 4. That might be what he is referring to, but who knows.

  • theBCnut

    BHA and BHT are preservatives, not seizure control medications.

  • theBCnut

    You need to fire your vet if he told you that the main cause of seizures is cross breeding. And environmental causes ALSO include the chemicals in the food, INCLUDING food dyes and preservatives. Many dogs that have seizure go on to be seizure free by switching to a more natural diet.

  • LabsRawesome

    How do you know that? Are you a vet? Did you examine her dog? You are clearly just trolling this site. Why are you replying to every post on this page? With the vigorousness that you are defending Beneful, you are either being paid to do so, or you are just that dumb.

  • aquariangt

    You’re clearly either trolling or just some self justification on feeding this food, but I’ll bite. Even if PG wasn’t harmful, what’s the benefit? Why would I pay to have an additive in my dogs food?

  • Skye G

    all I know is I am far from the only person who’s dog has experienced stomach ulcers after eating beneful. seems like an awfully coincidental thing that it’s so commonly reported yet surely the food does not cause the ulcers. I suppose correlation does not prove causation but there is definitely correlation a simple google search will show, correlation not frequently mentioned w/ other dog foods
    .

  • LabsRawesome

    What is your obsession with trying to prove that Beneful is a good food? One look at the ingredient list and the above review tells the real story. There are so many actual good foods to choose from, so why defend this crappy one so vigorously? It seems to me that you must be getting paid to do so.

  • Crazy4dogs

    I know you didn’t direct this to me, but I’m not sure I would use Dr Pol as a credible source for feeding my dogs, or maybe anything else.

    http://veterinarynews.dvm360.com/dr-pol-reality-tv-veterinarian-fined-and-placed-probation-negligence-incompetence

  • Pitlove

    Production and sourcing are not the same thing. Most lamb comes from New Zeland, most rabbit now comes from France. The raw materials are shipped to the USA and the food is manufactured here.

  • Crazy4dogs

    Hi Drake David,

    I’m glad you found the reason for the seizures. Hopefully, this will end the seizures for your animals. Just curious, did you have them tested to find the sources?

    Again, I’m not sure where you got your epilepsy information from, since you don’t provide links, but epilepsy can occur in dogs of all ages. Epilepsy simply means when the dog has continued seizures, it is called epilepsy. I’m including a link from a phd in neurology that explains seizures and epilepsy, along with some other links on seizures:

    http://www.canine-epilepsy.net/basics/basics_main.html

    http://pets.webmd.com/dog-seizure-disorders

    http://www.canine-epilepsy.com/FAQ.html

    I gues we’ll just have to wait and see how the lawsuit plays out. 😉

  • LabsRawesome

    Hahahaha. You are too funny. I use and recommend like 20 different foods, from different manufacturers. A troll would be the person that defends one of the worst foods on the market, and puts decent foods down. Nice try with your conspiracy theory tho. lol

  • Drake David

    LIAR FDA does not allow rancid meat to be sent anywhere but the garbage can. nor can it contain dogs of cats it is illegal for vets to sell dead animals for food.

    You disgust me with your lies.

  • Drake David

    Impossible for the Glycol to cause your dogs issues 1 there is not enough in it to harm a mouse let alone a dog. Secondly it is a food based formula. Like above you claimed it to be anti-freeze when in truth the anti-freeze is a completely different chemical produced from the parent chemical that is separated into many different formulas

  • Drake David

    LIAR the food did not cause the ulcers

  • Drake David

    There is ZERO anti freeze in the product you are thinking of the other chemical form of it.

  • Drake David

    your speaking of the industrial grade product not the food based nice scar tactic but you failed.

  • Drake David

    Actually the Glycol is used in human food as well and has had zero issues and is not on the FDA list of chemicals to avoid. If you look at the sales of beneful you mean to tell me that a 400-1 or even more to 1 is only luck? Sorry but the animals that are having issues are due to there health not the food they have food allergies. Vets do not make high dollars telling you your pet has a allergy they make there money telling you buy our food we sell here in store.

    Over my 40 years as a farmer I have experienced many vets in-fact one you should look up is Dr Pol he did a show where he spoke about food and how it affects pets. He went down the lists of food available on the market.

    He also graded the new improved line of beneful and said they have done a amazing job of making the food a much higher grade of food. His only warning was of food allergies

  • Drake David

    There is no such trade agreement in the world to ship unbagged dog food for production in another country in this country.

  • Drake David

    Above another troll who believes the words of a man who has been charged with taking money from 3 high priced dog food companies to give bad reviews to the lower priced dog food companies.

    Kirkland has less vitamins and positive minerals than beneful.

  • Drake David

    Exactly Deborah it is not made in China just a troll spilling lies it is sickening.

  • Drake David

    Roger you need to stop LYING to everyone the chemical you speak of called ethylene Glyco

    Propylene Glycol is a food additive for color and taste. it is food grade with no harmful value

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propylene_glycol

    So please stop fabricating these stories to me you are starting to sound like you work for one of the high priced pet food companies and you are with purpose trying to lie and commit fraud.

  • Drake David

    Finally finding of why out dog and then cat had seizures was found in two parts 1 the rug shampoo used to clean our carpets had a chemical in it that is harmful to all pets 2 the farmer off the back of our property spread his mulched rhubarb clipping which are dangerous for all animals. It was found that nothing chemical from the food was found to cause either animal there issues. One more thing the cat does not eat or even have the ability to get to our dogs food .

    Canine epilepsy is only found in dogs up to 4 years old. that has been posted many times by the AVA same place I also got my numbers from.

    BHA and BHT are both controversial drugs to be used to treat seizures. According to the AVA they are great at treating seizures there problem is it is very taxing on a dogs liver and kidneys.

    For the other person who called the one chemical anti-freeze I would suggest you look up what that chemical really is it is NOT anti-freeze

    Oh also to add now that the chemical issues have been resolved no seizures by either animal. Also our dogs current blood works all came back 100% perfect he ONLY eats beniful wet and dry dog food.

    Also keep a eye on the Purina law suites if Purina thought they where guilty or had a bad risk of losing they would have settled out of court to end it. Instead they have asked for the cases to be taken to trial and are counter suing for frivolous law suit. NO company is going to waste that money if they thing there is a 35% chance of losing.

  • Crazy4cats

    Thank you, c4d, well said!

  • Crazy4dogs

    Hi Drake David,

    I’m not agreeing with the OP that Beneful caused the death of his dog. He would have to have a necropsy and specific determination by a vet proving or pointing to that as the cause. However, it might be a case of semantics, but Beneful is the reason for the law suit, so technically Purina is being sued as the manufacturer, but it is being sued for the ingredients in Beneful.

    Links:

    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/lawsuit-claims-purinas-beneful-poisoning-killing-dogs-n312176

    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSnMKWWh3cpa+1e0+MKW20150609

    I’m not sure where you got your information, but if you’d like to provide links to show how you came up with your list of reasons for seizures, that would make them more credible. I couldn’t find any information that crossbreeding causes seizures in dogs. Unless you specifically breed 2 types of dogs that are genetically prone to seizures, most crossbreds are just “mutts”. It appears just the opposite as some breeds are genetically predisposed to seizures, often as a result of intense inbreeding where there is a genetic link.

    I agree that chemicals in your yard aren’t healthy for any living thing. So how are chemicals in your dogs food any different? If you are claiming that the OP is feeding an imbalanced diet, he was feeding Beneful when the dog had a seizure and died and you were feeding your dog Beneful when he was having seizures? So, what would that conclude?

    I’d be interested to see a link about those Purina lawsuits and where you came up with those percentages. I don’t doubt that people do store food improperly and blame food manufacturers when there are other reasons, but I couldn’t find anything stating those numbers.

    These are the main reasons for seizures in dogs:

    http://www.canine-epilepsy.com/Graves.html

    http://pets.webmd.com/dog-seizure-disorders

    It’s interesting that the canine epilepsy foundation is recommending feeding a better, more natural diet than grocery store brands, partiularly ones with Propylene Glycol, BHA and BHT, to contol seizures:

    http://www.canine-epilepsy.com/healthydiet.html

    So, your Lab is eating Beneful and having seizures? Hmmmm.

  • Drake David

    Ya you are right Jennifer I saw the story on it and the findings and they are going to get slammed by the customers AND by the government. More than likely you will see a chapter 13 bankruptcy filing from them inside the next 30 days.

  • theBCnut

    If after the switch, the skin issues persist, it could be the chicken. And yes, it’s OK to give chicken for treats, but you need to make sure you aren’t giving the puppy enough to throw off the calcium/phosphorus ratio.

  • Christine Montgomery

    My other dog is a rot/lab mix, she should be on the large breed mix as well, also, would it be ok to supplement their food with cooked organic chicken? We have been using it for treats, Rather than milk bones just a cubed inch at a time.
    My new pit/akitta appears to have sensitive skin, I’m assuming it’s the corn kibble crap the previous owner started him on, we haven’t started to switch his food yet, letting him get used to us before we try to change it. But I’m going to TS today to get new kibble. I will transition the pups slowly over the next few months and see How it goes.

  • Christine Montgomery

    Thanks, i’d rather use the same kibble if I can, so if they get in each other’s kibble they won’t get sick.

  • jj

    Orijen six fish

  • Pitlove

    I would try Taste of the Wild mainly because both of their puppy formulas are safe for large breed puppies which your akita/pitbull mix will most likely be. Also even though it says puppy its actually AAFCO approved for all life stages so your adult could eat it as well. They carry that at Tractor Supply. Sad to say that even though Taste of the Wild is a Diamond brand its probably the best food carried at Tractor Supply that both your dogs could eat.

  • Babslynne

    Walmart does have a good brand called “Pure Balance”, its rated very high on this forum. Tractor Supply also has a high rated brand called 4Health.

  • Christine Montgomery

    I’m adopting an akitta pitbul mix puppy that has been on a beneful diet, my other dog was on the grain free racheal ray kibble, and I just read that brand is not recomended either. I planned on transitioning the new pup to the Rachel ray brand over time, but now I feel like I should move both dogs to a new food.
    Any ideas of a quality puppy/dog food that could be found at tractor supply or pet supply? I’m in a rual town and those are my only options besides Wal-Mart(and I hate walmart, all they have is Purina and cheaper corn based kibble)

  • Jennifer Campbell

    Just an FYI, I got a notification that Blue Buffalo is currently being sued for misleading customers about their true ingredients. They actually put stuff in the food that they claimed not to in their commercials.

  • InkedMarie

    “Just about every dog food….” Not hardly. The list of foods with no problems is much longer than the list with.
    People have to be willing to NOT shop at a big box store or to shop online to get really good foods (not that the box stores don’t but they dont have a good selection of the good stuff)

  • Stephen Kepple

    Just about every dog food has “its share of problems.” I’ve never seen any area as complex and riddled with controversy as dog foods. In the end you just have to make the best choice you can. I finally chose Blue Buffalo as a good compromise. Along with a certain amount of cooked meat.

  • Stephen Kepple

    I fed my husky/lab dog Beneful for many years, along with lots of treats including Milk Bones. She was a pretty big dog, weighing over 60 pounds for much of her life. She had no health problems and lived to be 13, which was older than her weight-based life expectancy. She died of cancer; she was symptomatic for only a few months before I had her euthanized. I had not been aware of how lousy a dog food Beneful was. I would never feed a dog Beneful or Milk Bones again, but I will say that they did not seem to affect my dog adversely, although of course it’s possible she might have lived even longer without them. I feel guilty. I loved her so much.

  • Roger Wilko

    I fed my perfectly healthy black lab/greyhound dog Beneful and held him (along with my wife and son) as he died, convulsing on my living room floor on Thanksgiving Day, 2015. He was four. His liver went and it was most likely due to the propylene glycol content of this brand. Apparently it is already banned in cat food , but not in dog food. I’ll never forgive myself. I now feed my new dog Pure Vita. It’s worth every penny of the extra cost.

  • Roger Wilko

    Sorry to hear of your parent’s loss. We, too, lost our dog in his prime, age four, because we fed him this poison. We need to let people know about the presence of harmful substances in this dog food, most importantly propylene glycol. My God… I was feeding my best friend anti-freeze.

  • Roger Wilko

    We lost our beloved black lab/greyhound on Thanksgiving Day in ’15 in what was a horrific, seizure-oriented death… after spending serious vet bills to try and save him. A growth was discovered that affected his liver and kidneys and he wasted away. This mysterious “tumor” was discovered after several years of feeding him Beneful – which he loved. I am convinced (and there are many lawsuits to confirm this) that this his death at the age of four was a result of this dog food. I now feed my new black lab/greyhound Pure Vita, and Pure Vita only. After this horrible experience, the extra cost is worth it. RUN, don’t walk away from Beneful. Do it now.

  • Yes, I agree. We do have a pretty great small biz pet shop here in town. Thanjs for the info on BB…

  • Thanks for the suggestion!

  • theBCnut

    You may want to look into NutriSource. It’s a pretty good quality food that is economical and for most dogs, pretty easy to switch to. I would still take it slow just because going from a one star food to a four star food is a huge change. Earthborn is another good food to try, but I don’t think it’s as easy for dogs to switch to as NutriSource.

  • InkedMarie

    I suggest you start with a 3 star food. If you go to a really high quality food, your dog may have alot of tummy problems. I’d expect tummy problems anyway; using a probiotic or digestive enzyme may help. By the way, Blue has had its share of problems. Find a local, boutique type of place to buy your food.

  • I am feeding my pup Beneful, shes ok, but I want to switch her over to Blue Buffalo or something higher quality, I want her coat to shine, because a shiny coat is a sure sign of health and vitality. She’s a good girl and my best friend, she only deserves the best.

  • Scott Sutton

    I feel this food is dangerous, my parents fed it to their dog and shortly after she became very ill mimicking antifreeze poisoning, she passed away not knowing they gave me the remaining bag of food I started to give it to my dog (their dogs son) and he became Ill I stopped immediately the only common denominator was the food. Looking it up I found many many people who claim beneful was the cause of their pets death. While it does not affect all dogs I believe it affects some and because of the mother son connection I believe it may be genetic its not worth the gamble in my opinion and as the company will not do anything about it there is currently a class action lawsuit in the works (facebook group) so if you feed this food to your pets watch for the signs it may save their lives

  • LabsRawesome

    Hi Deborah, Beneful is one of the worst foods. Please read the review above. Here is a list of good foods. http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/best-dog-foods/best-puppy-foods/best-dry-puppy-foods-4-star/ If price is an issue here is a list of budget friendly kibble. 4health, Evolve, Rachael Ray Zero Grain, Whole Earth Farms, Kirkland (Costco)

  • Pitlove

    Hi- Unfortunetly, the food being manufactured in the U.S does not mean the ingredients are sourced from the U.S. I believe that is what the OP is refering to.

  • Deborah White

    We just purchased a bag of Beneful Healthy Growth for Puppies and on the bag it states that it was made here in the USA…..where are you getting the information about the Chinese producers??

  • Lewie Bowman

    I’m no troll. My dog, Squeaks had kidney failure back in 2008. When I took him to our veterinarian he asked what we’d been feeding him, and when I told him it was Beneful, he new immediately what test to give Squeaks to confirm his suspicions about the poor things kidney problems. He’d had at least 6 other dogs who were brought in with the same problem. He’d read several articles in Veterinary industry magazines and spoken to fellow vets about this problem and apparently the Chinese producers of Beneful were using industrial grade glycerin instead of a food grade glycerin. This what was causing the kidney problems. They may have cleared up this problem by now, but I will NEVER TRUST Purine products again!

  • Leanne Rondeau

    We’ve used the Beneful Healthy Weight since we got our dog almost 4 yrs ago.We’ve had no problems.Our dog loves it.

  • Mary Meek

    Tried to gradually introduce Beneful and my dog spit out only those pieces – apparently she didn’t recognize Beneful as food since she never would eat any of it.

  • TrumpKennels

    That’s exactly what I tell people at my pet store job and with my rescue adoptions. If you can buy it at a grocery, it DOES NOT meet the nutritional needs of your pet.

  • Dori

    Well said Crazy4cats. I’m glad you stepped up and said what so many of us were thinking.

  • Crazy4cats

    Oh goodness, in my opinion you have been lucky. Your dogs must come from good stock. I try extremely hard not to be judgmental, but this kibble is an exception. I actually don’t mind if a food has some high grade corn and by-products, but not as the main protein source. I do not think the beautiful packaging on this food accurately conveys what is actually inside of it. Between the propylene glycol, sugar, several different food colorings and the menadione sodium bisulfide, I don’t know how it could be a good choice. They are all potentially dangerous controversial ingredients.
    I’m certainly not a troll. Just a concerned pet parent. I hope you are at least adding some healthy real food to their meals. I wish you the best and hope you reconsider.

  • Michael J Concanon

    Our two Corgis are fed Beneful Healthy Weight every day. They are both extremely healthy and hold their weight. The are very active, and happy. Also, not surprisingly, this food has not been recalled, as so many others have in the last 6-7 years. Sounds to me like some trolls are paid by companies to talk down (lie) about more popular dog food to boost their own sales.

  • Jason Shwagner

    People please, trust the facts easily found online about this feed. It is toxic and poison for a slow unhealthy toxic diet. Purina has lots of shills and idiots who mask thier cheapness with posting of insults against those of us who have had bad results or worse with purina dog foods. Frankly until Purina changes thier mentality towards profit over safety and health of the very animals they are in business to feed, one should avoid all Purina foods period. If you love your dog, spend a few bucks more for a bag of 3 or 4 star food rated on here and rest assured you will have a healthier buddy who will be with you for many years to come. They give us so much and ask nothing in return but some love and food. Give em some decent stuff. Avoid any brand as well that contains any propylene glycol. It has caused countless kidney failures and other ailments in dogs as well as cats and is already banned in cat food. Hopefully soon it will be banned in dog food also.

  • Anthony Hepton

    Propylene Glycol (PG) is not necessarily toxic by it’s self and the symptoms of PG do not cause the full range of symptoms observed in dogs that become ill following eating Beneful; however, there is ample evidence to show that PG can facilitate the movement of endotoxins, which are always present in byproducts of rendering, from the gut into the blood system where they cause inflammation at moderate levels and deadly consequences when endotoxins are present at higher levels. The FDA should set a tolerance for the presence of endotoxins in pet foods as they have done for mycotoxins.

  • Marlo 313

    Which food would u recommend that’s equivalent to evo red meat

  • GSDgrl82

    Victor is very good! I use it in my rotation along with raw. Evo was bought out by proctor and gamble I think it was? It’s gone down hill and little and I don’t trust it anyways but I am SUPER picky about kibble.

  • Marlo 313

    If you don’t mind me asking how good is victor compared to evo I use to feed my cane corso evo but I relocated and none of the stores sell it but the feed store near me sells Victor I was told victor was good

  • mahoraner niall

    wow! meat is the 6th ingredient! im impressed!(not)

  • JellyCat

    Some people don’t care what to feed, or they feed themselves in a similar way.

  • JellyCat

    I agree, I would switch to grain free or high quality grain in any case.

  • GSDgrl82

    But bringing up corn, as part of my autoimmune diet corn is also not allowed. Probably a lot of dogs don’t have an issue with corn but a dog with a thyroid disease I would switch them to a grain free food.

  • GSDgrl82

    I’m talking about the wheat in the food not the corn, wheat is gluten. Now thyroid issues can also be genetic but I find it seems to be exacerbated by food. I had to cut out all processed foods including bread, etc otherwise I feel awful. Not saying a dog would be exactly the same way, it’s just there’s so many healthier options out there I don’t get why someone would feed this bottom of the barrel food.

  • Crazy4dogs

    There are a lot better foods than what you’re using. Look up the 3☆ or 4☆ foods on this site. There are many that are budget friendly, too! 🙂

  • JellyCat

    I do agree about importance of the diet, but corn gluten meal isn’t the same gluten we try to avoid in people with true gluten intolerance.

  • Carrie Krepps

    I have an autoimmune thyroid issue, you’d be surprised diet plays heavily into thyroid diseases… Biggest culprit is gluten which this food is full of. I don’t understand why anyone would want to feed this food. Did you know by product meat meal can contain dead cats and dogs along with rancid grocery store meat with plastic still intact? There are so many more budget friendly higher quality foods out there.

  • Carrie Krepps

    Afraid to tell you Gravy train is just as low quality. I’ve been working in the pet food industry for 15 years… You’d be shocked to know what’s in these cheap foods. My general rule for people is to stay away from anything in a grocery store and on commercials. There are many high quality budget friendly dog foods out there like Victor and Earthborn.

  • Alex Enlow

    We were feeding our two small dogs Beneful which caused them several problems. Our dogs hair got shorter and discolored. They began having seizures and caused one of them to loose a few teeth. We have since changed their dog food to Gravy Train and they are now healthy and energized.

  • markswillis

    Yes and of course we can trust the FDA
    Glad you are not my vet

  • markswillis

    Larger dogs aren’t as sensitive but expect him to die early from cancer

  • markswillis

    Use this site to make educated decisions
    Unfortunately there is no regulations or test for dog food
    So these companies can make any claims they want regarding quality of food they are selling

  • markswillis

    Why would you make such a ignorant & irresponsible statement
    Do you own stock in the company?

  • Dori

    WHAT????

  • DogFoodie

    I can only hope you’re trolling.

  • manish maharjan

    beneful dog food is one of the best food.

  • Skye G

    BENEFUL KILLED MY DOG. Perforated stomach ulcers and the start of liver failure (the ulcers are what killed him). Please do not feed this food. I was a new and uneducated dog owner, and the Beneful commercials are so misleading; I didn’t know any better. Please don’t make the same mistake I did. I will never feed a food again w/o researching it very thoroughly.

  • Francine Abell

    I will check with my vet, but apparently this is common in older dogs and cats. I had a cat that lived to 20 yrs. of age
    And she likewise, was on thyroid medicine in a daily dose swiped on her ear flap from a dosing pen. She had been treated since she was 15 yrs. old. My grand dog, a yellow lab mix is 13 yrs. old and she too takes thyroid medication. It, of course, in all of these cases is either hypo or hyperthyroidism. From all appearances, the disease when treated with medication, has not shortened their lives.

  • Shawna

    What was the cause of the thyroid issue?

  • Francine Abell

    I have been feeding Chip, a 14 yr. old border collie mix and Pete-e, a lab mix who turns 15 years in 6 mos., Beneful Healthy Weight for the past 8 years. They have been fed this food every morning alone and again in the evening with a half can of different wet foods mixed in. They also get some human food sometimes. At their ages, Pete has a little arthritis that has not limited his mobility (he climbs 2nd story steps several times a day), and Chip has been taking a small dose thyroid pill for years. (No link to any dietary cause). I have many people over the past few years express astonishment over Chip’s age; I thought he was a puppy!

  • mia

    no dogs are really picky,but small dogs seem to let their ppl know by being picky possible issues with food.
    ppl behave like dogs can’t have some 6th sense, but smaller breeds have been known for detection of cancer, fire, seizures, other human health issues.

    Some dogs might not have the same intuitive responses just like some humans aren’t too intelligent, and then there are many dogs who not only spend much of their time licking butts, but eating pooh. Just saying..
    Rats are able to detect genetic anomalies and almost get raped during breeding, the females have been known to eat their entire litters to protect a blood line,

    Some dogs who seem to eat foods without complaint doesn’t mean they are okay physically.
    my large breed who I took off beneful was vomiting all the time, drinking water obsessively, I still believe she drank water obsessively protecting her kidneys instintively and trust me, she is not the brightest bulb in the box. She is 10 and still can’t be off least.
    Your dog not being picky at what it eats doesn’t mean he feels great.
    My dog was having brain and kidney issues. I figured the brain issues had to do with her being inbreeded, now I don’t think so at all. She is an entirely different dog, no more violent behavior, no more brain anomalies or needing medication.
    2 weeks after feeding her something different she began showing signs of being a dog who physically and mentally felt better.

    I can only imagine eating poison 2 times a day for almost 9 yrs of her life would make anyone feel sick. dispindent, angry, violent ,headaches,,which our pets cannot tell us when they get headaches.
    Ppl assume they dont get the same health issue ppl do, that is just plain ignorant on the part of humans,.But then humans are pretty ignorant creatures, you don’t see dogs killing each other off for profit…..

  • Pitlove

    There are many people who have joined the lawsuit and have posted on Purina’s facebook about symptoms that their dogs have had. The ones who I saw posting on the facebook page and on other Beneful reviews were claiming the symptoms described in that article.

    Majority of the people claimed they have been feeding Beneful exclusively for years, some claimed one bag made their dog sick.

    If you are trying to suggest that people often turn to the food as the excuse when people’s dogs get sick and refuse to think it’s anything else especially when many many other people are claiming the same thing, I agree. I do not think one bag of treats or one bag of Beneful got their dog fatally or violentlly ill. I am still concerned about long term side effects of the product however and any product containing that.

  • aimee

    Hi Pitlove,
    I thought the class action suit was alleging internal bleeding liver and kidney problems.

    Also weren’t the original plaintiff’s dogs only eating Beneful for a few weeks?

    Here is one summery:
    “The dogs show consistent symptoms, including stomach and related internal bleeding, liver malfunction or failure, vomiting, diarrhea, dehydration, weight loss, seizures, bloating, and kidney failure,” the Beneful toxic dog food class action lawsuit alleges.

    “He bought a bag of Beneful for the first time in late December 2014
    or early January 2015 and each dog began eating Beneful exclusively, the Beneful class action lawsuit explains.

    On Jan. 15, the German Shepherd began to lose a large amount of hair
    and began giving off a unusual odor, which concerned Lucido and his wife, who first started to notice the symptoms. Two days later the
    German Shepherd became “violently ill.”

    http://topclassactions.com/lawsuit-settlements/lawsuit-news/49385-purina-beneful-dog-food-kills-dogs-class-action-says/

  • aimee

    Hi Crazy4dogs,

    The OP asked “Can you link to any data that shows it is safe for dogs and in what amounts?”

    The purpose of the cut/paste from the abstract was to alert the OP of the amount that was found to be safe, which is what the OP asked for and proved a source to read further information.

    If the OP asked at what level was it found to be toxic then I would have cut pasted the section on that.

    For the sake of brevity I didn’t so that.

  • Crazy4cats

    The study might prove that it is not dangerous, but I’m not convinced that it is a good thing!

  • Pitlove

    Taken from the link within this article you linked Aimee-

    “> Ingestion of an excessive amount of propylene glycol can
    cause severe sedation, walking “drunk,” seizures, tremors, panting,
    anemia and lethargy”

    That sounds exactly like the symptoms people who have joined the class action lawsuit against Purina have been describing and most if not all of them have been feeding Beneful the dogs entire life if not close to.

    I can understand that fed on occasion should be safe, but the concern is people who do not change their dogs diet and feed a food containing it.

  • Crazy4dogs

    Aimee,

    To be fair, let’s cut and paste the fact that there were some changes listed in the abstract, even if they were “concluded” to be no adverse side effects and they were at higher levels. It did show weight gain, a change resulting in fewer oxygenating blood cells, and increase in abnormal blood cells and slightly elevated bilirubin levels.

    Cut and paste from the abstract:

    “None of the criteria measured were significantly altered at 2 g propylene glycol/kg. The higher dose levels of propylene glycol and dextrose were maintained by the inclusion of approximately 20 and 25%, respectively, in the diets of the dogs. As both compounds provide calories available for conversion to adipose tissue, both groups gained somewhat more weight than the controls during the first part of the study. Propylene glycol, in high concentrations, increases the rate of erythrocyte haemolysis. When it was given at the 5-g/kg level, haemoglobin and haematocrit values and the total erythrocyte count were slightly low, while the incidence of anisocytosis, poikilocytes and reticulocytes was increased, findings indicative of erythrocyte destruction with accelerated replacement from the bone marrow. Even at a propylene-glycol concentration of 20% of the diet, this effect was not sufficient to result in any changes that appeared to be irreversible and there was no evidence of damage to bone marrow or spleen. The majority of parameters relevant to effects on the liver were similar in all dosage groups. In dogs consuming 5 g propylene glycol/kg there was a slight increase in total bilirubin.”

  • Crazy4dogs

    Good question Pitlove! I did read the abstract. Read it if you get a chance. There were some changes in weight gain, blood cell abnormalities and a slight elevation in bilirubin(liver), and this was only after 2 years. What would be the result after 10 years or more? Also, many of these same dogs are eating the treats that have PG in them. What are the levels on these dogs?

  • aimee

    You’re welcome!

  • aimee

    Hi Pitlove,

    That is the one research paper I came across. If you want more information I’ recommend you use google scholar and Pubmed as places to start. Another lead might be to contact AAFCO or the EU equivalent.

    Also keep in mind that the doses in the paper were much higher than what is in the Purina product mentioned. You might want to buy the paper for more detail.

    Cats have 8 sulfhydral groups on their hemoglobin making that species exquisitely more sensitive to red blood cell damage from oxidative challenge.

  • Pitlove

    Only states that dogs eating it for 2 years are not effected. What about 5 or 10? I can not imagine that the benefit of it being a carb source would outweigh the harm it can do fed long term. Also for that fact that dogs have little to no carb requirement in their diet.

    Also if it is not safe for cats assuming because of their weight(??) how can it be safe for small and toy breed dogs? If i’m wrong about why it is not safe for cats let me know. I was making an educated guess.

  • Crazy4dogs

    I wonder if those dogs that are eating PG in their dog food are also eating the treats with PG as well. If so, wouldn’t that raise the percentage of PG ingested?
    Does anyone or any animal have a nutritional need or use for propylene glycol?

  • el doctor

    Thank you aimee!

    Dang it, that doesn’t support my opinion that propylene glycol is not a good thing for dogs to eat!!!

  • aimee

    Hi el doctor,

    Not DoctorLarry… But I had previously bookmarked this and thought it might in part be what you are looking for.

    “It is concluded that propylene glycol fed to dogs at a concentration of approximately 8% in the diet (2 g/kg/day) is utilized as a carbohydrate
    energy source without any adverse effects.”

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0015626471900782

    Disclosure: I want to make sure everyone knows I didn’t buy and read the entire paper. I only read the abstract.: )

    When I went to see if I could find out how much is in dog foods I found this:

    “According to Wendy Vlieks, director of corporate public
    relations for Nestlé Purina PetCare, USP propylene glycol concentrations
    in the Beneful diet are less than 2 percent.

    > The Association of American Feed Control Officials (AAFCO) has no limit to the amount of propylene glycol in dog food, Vlieks says. The EU limit is 5.3 percent.”

    > Vlieks says the “no observed adverse effect level” (NOAEL) for
    propylene glycol is 8 percent of diet, meaning dogs fed at 8 percent
    propylene glycol in their diet for two years had no adverse effects.1

    http://veterinarynews.dvm360.com/propylene-glycol-educate-yourself-and-your-veterinary-clients?pageID=1

  • el doctor

    “The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has classified propylene glycol as “generally recognized as safe,” which means that it is acceptable for use in flavorings, drugs, and cosmetics, and as a direct food additive. According to the World Health Organization, the acceptable dietary intake of propylene glycol is 25 mg of propylene glycol for every kilogram (kg) of body weight“.

    http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/phs/phs.asp?id=1120&tid=240

    There is a so called safe amount of propylene glycol for people. Can you link to any data that shows it is safe for dogs and in what amounts?

    Could you also please link to the data that shows us what the amount in milligrams is of propylene glycol that is in the various dog foods that use it?

    Thank you

  • Pitlove

    Hi Doctor Larry- Can you provide any research studies showing the health benefits of Propylene Glycol and why it should be used in dog or human food? As far as I am aware Propylene Glycol is an unnessecary moistening agent used in some of the lower quality dog foods on the market. I have yet to see any proof that Propylene Glycol contains health benefits for either dogs or humans.

    Also dogs who are forced to eat Beneful for every meal for years and years of their life are introduced to Propylene Glycol so frequently that it becomes a lethal dose.

  • mia

    don’t be daft people,,,if Purina or FDA said except for cats,,why did they put that ingredient in car food then…geese…

  • mia

    oh okay,,i guess that makes it okay since the FDA says so..
    FDA,,same agency that approved all those drugs that ended up killing people..
    Same agency, FDA who NEVER approved a drug ,Danacrine that I was given in the 80s,,that was NOT safe..
    The same FDA that says ,,IF THR AMOUNT OF PROPYLENE GLYCOL is low,,20 parts per 10 lbs of body weight..for a human,,
    HUMAN consumption is NOT even close to that amount..one piece of bubble gum at HALLOWEEN. won’t make anything sick. dogs eating the amount my 110 lb dog was eating was making her sick..
    Hey,,you want to trust the FDA,,be my guest,,let others research for themselves and I’m guessing you work for the Purina / bebeful company..
    go ahead,,of its not poisonous,,thebFDA doesn’t say it’s not, they just say ingesting small amounts is not going to do potential damage to kidneys..
    I have had 4 cats, all die from kidney failure all close together all are the same thing..1 dog who died of kidney failure, him and tha I one I took off that garbage, who buy the way is doing 100% better,,different dog and she started eating beneful puppy,,she’s 8, she was vomiting after each meal..drinking water so obsessively and I am sure that’s all that saved her life and kidneys…she still has kidney damage..all animals eating same thing,,there is NO coencidences…

  • DoctorLarry

    You said “The additive propylene glycol is poison”
    Actually, the FDA says it is generally safe in food, except for cats.

  • DoctorLarry

    This so-called review makes this statement: “Propylene glycol has been banned by the FDA for use in making cat food.” While it is banned for cats, the FDA classifies propylene glycol as generally safe for food – humans included. http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/substances/toxsubstance.asp?toxid=240
    Dogs can tolerate the amounts used, cats cannot. If your dog is a cat, don’t use it. If your dog is sick, it is probably due to something besides packaged dog food.

  • Janis King

    My grandpuppy golden lab Marty is 7 years old. He has suffered seizures for the last 5 years of his life. My son always fed him Beneful . He joined Costco a year ago and now feeds him Kirkland dogfood. Mary has not had a seizure since he started the food and is no longer on medicine for it. Please think about this and make the right decision. Why take the chance.

  • Diane Zimerle

    I am scared of using Beneful because of the negative reports, and my dogs got very ill at one point in my using Beneful although I can’t say for sure it was the Beneful that caused their vomiting. Now they don’t trust most dog food flavors (chicken, beef, turkey). Before all this information came out it was the only food my dogs would eat. Now I am having trouble finding a food they will actually eat, they are used to all the sugar and crap. My concern is Purina makes several dog foods and no one seems to be too concerned about them, if Purina doesn’t care about the quality of this food why would they care about any of their foods, and it seems no one is talking about that at all. Last, anyone have any good ideas about a food a dog will actually like, I have tried Blue, Instinct, Alpo, Rachel Ray, Wilderness, Nutro, I have even been cooking for them, they are senior dogs (over 15) and are barely eating, I am at a loss.

  • Crazy4dogs

    There are many foods out there with better ingredients that cost the same or less. The explosive diarrhea is probably because you didn’t do a very slow transition. If your dog has been eating the same food every day for 10 years, you need to change over in very small increments. The fresh food you are giving him is a good addition that he could get daily, if you give him just a bit that has no seasoning or butter, etc.
    My 10+ year old lab just took a 2 mile walk with me this morning. She has only 2 peas sized lipomas on her body and they haven’t changed size in almost 2 years. She doesn’t and never has eaten Bemeful. My last lab mix lived to 14.5 yo. and we lost him due to myelopathy, a genetic dengenerative nerve disorder that has nothing to do with food. At 12 he was still walking at least a mile daily. Good food really does matter.

  • Jacob

    My dog has been eating this stuff since he was a pup, he’s 10 years old and doing fine. He’s 110 lb lab. Every time I’ve tried to switch him to a better brand it always has the same effect, explosive diarrhea. He seems to like this stuff. He’s not picky. I do give him vegetables and human quality meat occasionally to make sure he’s getting a balanced diet. He is like a little kid when it comes to celery and carrots. Aside from benefuls I’m picky about the human food he eats, no junk. He only had a life expectancy of 12 years because of his size. He’s got fatty tumors on his body, but that’s common in labs. He’s doing just fine for 10 years old, he’s starting to slow down. I won’t blame benefuls when he dies. Not saying it’s good food, just saying his body seems to like it.

  • Matt Begley

    My 10 year old best friend, a German Shepherd dog was murdered by Purina’s Beneful dog food. I had found him lost in the North Cascade mountains, running wild. nearly 2 years old and weighed only 60 lbs. He was my sixth GSD and we were never apart for 10 years, until he developed a very deadly form of cancer which caused him to bleed internally. After spending over $3500 to have his spleen removed my Vet told me that the same lesions were all over his intestines as well. He was like he was years younger after the surgery. He lived only 6 more days before he began to bleed internally again, I was with him at the vet when the biopsy report came back about the cancer. He died in my arms that morning. If I ever get my hands on those at Purina who make the decisions to put inferior and poisonous products into their dog foods I will make them suffer, right before they die. Why? Because there are reports of thousands of dogs dying from digestive tract destruction like mine did and they do nothing but deny.

  • Daniel Yoo

    Disappointing how these companies do anything for profit. I guarantee Purina takes spoiled Chinese supermarket meat to put it in dog food as there’s no mention of an animal. “PURINA” –> the irony is real. Poisonina is the right.

  • It’s still not healthy. Do you eat healthy yourself? How do you choose what to eat? Read the ingredients in this “food” you are feeding. The ingredients are closer to a bag of doritios than something healthy. Just like Doritos, Beneful is mostly corn, has added sugar, has artificial flavors and colors. Added sugar, artificial ingredients are ingredients in the junk food people buy for themselves to eat. It’s junk food for dogs.

  • sighthndman

    Actually that’s true. In fact, many good foods look like they cost more but in fact don’t because you feed less (whether you ration or free feed). In addition, just because they’re better foods, the waste product is more compact and less wet, meaning you have fewer piles to scoop and they are smaller and less smelly and less runny and squishy. (Or is this only a concern with greyhounds and a few other breeds?) That even goes one more step and means it’s easier and less costly to find a sitter on those occasions when you’re going to be away for more than a few hours. Or even to find a dog walker if both “parents” are going to be away for the day.

  • Crazy4dogs

    The saddest thing about this whole Beneful thing is that if people actually did a little research instead of watching the commercials and listening to the marketing spin doctors they would find that there are many really decent foods with good ratings, good ingredients that are healthy for their dogs that cost the same as or less than Beneful. 🙁

  • JellyCat

    I can see that the company may actually settle to avoid higher legal costs. However, they may also not settle just based on ideology, even if that means higher costs. Additionally, owners involved may not settle also because of ideological reasons. We don’t know any details here.

    As far as different nutritional needs, obviously not every dog has same nutritional needs. Not every dog needs to eat high protein and high fat foods and none of the dogs need to consume poor quality ingredients. There are some better Purina formulations on the market, but Beneful is not one of them. It does not offer quality regardless of nutritional requirements.

  • sighthndman

    No. Companies settle without admitting fault all the time. To them it’s a business decision. If Purina settles, they also change their formulation so that they don’t have a stream of “me too” lawsuits. Or discontinue the brand. Not all companies have to do that. (The case where a plaintiff was awarded $10 million because his new Mercedes had been scratched and the paint was retouched comes to mind.) But if it comes to a point where it looks like it would cost $1 million to fight (an extreme but possible total cost, not including payment of claims to those claiming injury and their lawyers), and then the possibility of “legal roulette” where you don’t know what the judge and/or jury might decide (and what any appellate courts might do) where the award could be $10 million or more, they might decide that it’s in their interest to limit their losses. In addition, they might very well settle simply to avoid having a public record of bad food. If they go to court and lose, they have to change their formulation, because they are on record as having unsafe food. (This is regardless of whether the food is, in actual fact, unsafe or not.)

    If their marketing department can’t put a positive spin on changing the formulation, they should probably all be replaced anyway.

    I don’t know where Beneful is on the price scale. However, the general rule is that cheaper is not as good (and that is reflected in the language: “inexpensive” means low cost but “cheap” means both low cost and low quality) but there are exceptions. Also, there is always someone selling cheap stuff at premium prices in an effort to separate you from your money. So the general rule is not a hard and fast rule, it’s more of a general guide.

    At the “top end” things diverge: running dogs have different nutritional needs from sled dogs which have different nutritional needs from the large breeds and you have to know exactly what your animal needs and feed to the nutritional requirements of your animal. A lot can go into that that I don’t have time or space for here. But what it does mean is that there is a lot of variety that is essentially meaningless unless you have a performance animal (similarly, unless you are an athlete yourself, you don’t need to eat like one, and you don’t need to watch your diet like one, even though we all still need to watch our diet).

  • JellyCat

    The reason why Purina will never settle, is because settling means admitting that their food isn’t as healthy as they claim it is. That would be extremely damaging to the brand.

  • Dee Robinson Terry

    So It’s ok if they keep killing dogs and cats with this food? Please go to the FDA site and read all of the complaints, all the way through. And yes I have a complaint on there for my dad. His pet’s became deathly ill from this food with high vet bills. Thank god they are ok now. But read all about the ones that are now dead. You are slowly killing your pets. I can’t believe you are defending Purina to save a buck. It’s not about free money, it’s about saving animals. You really need to educate yourself on this matter. Praying for your pets!

  • mia

    I had been feeding my 8 yr old

  • Dog_Obsessed

    I agree, there is absolutely no reason it should be in dog food. It can be good for anti-freeze though, even though it is not totally non-toxic, because it would be less harmful if a dog were to accidentally ingest some of it.

  • pitlove

    propylene glycol is the second cousin to ethylene glycol and is still toxic at high doses (AKA a dog eating Beneful every day for 10 years). And propylene glycol is used in a supposedly “non-toxic” form of anti-freeze. Also it is used as a moistining agent and has zero nutrional value to your dog. So why should he have to eat it?

  • I tried to post this about a week ago, here it is.

  • Crazy4dogs

    The rating given for this food and any of the variations are more than fair, in my opinion.
    Read any of the ingredients in any of the formulas:
    https://www.beneful.com/products?utm_campaign=always+on&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_content=dog-beneful-Branded%7CGeneral%7CExact&utm_term=beneful+dog+food.

    It’s sad that marketing and advertising can get people to believe that this is “healthy” as stated in 5 varieties and makes dogs “playful”.
    I wish they would spend some of their marketing & advertising budget on better ingredients.

  • Dog_Obsessed

    Yup! Same!

  • Dori

    Quite simply stated, and, of course, it is only my opinion and does not represent the thoughts and opinions of anyone else on DFA, this food is not fit for any living creature to consume. People can make all the justifications for feeding this food that they want and others of the same ilk, but it does not change what the ingredients are in any of their formulas. To pretend that DFA or Dr. Mike has chosen the lesser of evils only takes a moment of research on Beneful’s site to see the truth of every formula for this line of food. Everyone can feed their animals whatever they choose, but it is what it is, pretending otherwise is a bit delusional.

  • Crazy4dogs

    Glad to see the the offensive word was removed!

  • Shawna

    If you look at Taste of the Wild, and other foods, you will see that each specific food has a different star rating even though there is only one article. http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-reviews/taste-of-the-wild-dog-food-dry/

    The criteria that DFA author uses to rate a food, amount and quality of protein, quality of ingredients etc, are so similar in Beneful that the stars given are identical for each line.

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