Warning Issued for Bravo! and Steve’s Real Raw Pet Foods

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March 12, 2013 – The Minnesota Department of Agriculture (MDA) is alerting consumers to avoid feeding or handling two brands of poultry-based raw pet food after the MDA laboratory discovered Salmonella bacteria in routine sample tests.

Bravo! Raw Food Diet

One of the affected products include Bravo! Raw Food Diet 2 lb. Chicken Blend for Dogs and Cats manufactured by Bravo!, LLC, of Manchester, Connecticut.

Bravo! Chicken Blend Raw Dog FoodThis is a frozen pet food product with the production code of 06/14/12, which is located on the white tag on the end of the package.

This advisory is for the 2 lb. size of Bravo! Chicken Blend with the “Best Used by Date” of 6/14/14 only.

No other products, sizes, or production dates are involved.

The FDA has confirmed the recall in a news bulletin last updated by the Agency on March 14, 2013.

The recall is confirmed in this news release from the Bravo! website.

For further information, consumers are invited to contact the company at 866-922-9222.

Steve’s Real Food

The other affected product includes Steve’s Real Food Turducken Canine Diet 8 ounce patties, manufactured by Steve’s Real Food, Inc., of Murray, Utah.

Steve's Real Food TurduckenThis is a frozen pet food product with the “Use By Date” code of 10/27/13 B209, which is located on the lower front panel of package.

For further information, contact the company at 801-540-8481 or [email protected]

There are no reports of human or animal illnesses associated with consumption of these products.

About Salmonella

Salmonella can affect animals eating the product, and there is a risk to humans from handling contaminated products.

People handling contaminated raw pet food can become infected with Salmonella, especially if they have not thoroughly washed their hands after having contact with surfaces exposed to this product.

Pets with Salmonella infections may exhibit decreased appetite, fever and abdominal pain.

If left untreated, pets may be lethargic and have diarrhea or bloody diarrhea, fever and vomiting.

Infected but otherwise healthy pets can be carriers and infect other animals or humans. If your pet has consumed this product and has these symptoms, please contact your veterinarian.

Human symptoms of salmonellosis include diarrhea, abdominal pain and cramps and fever. Symptoms usually begin within 12 to 72 hours after exposure, but can begin up to a week after exposure.

Salmonella infections usually resolve in 5-7 days, but approximately 20 percent of cases require hospitalization.

In rare cases, Salmonella infection can lead to death, particularly in the elderly or those with weakened immune systems.

Anyone who has become ill after handling this product should see their health care provider.

What to Do?

Consumers are asked to discard any of these products they may have.

You can report complaints about FDA-regulated pet food products by calling the consumer complaint coordinator in your area.

Or go to http://www.fda.gov/petfoodcomplaints.

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  • estrellitazul

    i remember completely freaking out when we took our chocolate lab back home to Indiana one summer, and i caught her eating/digging through horse poop! i was hysterical and my mom thought i was nuts! After i calmed down she told me that our own family dogs had been doing this for decades (respectively) Not that dogs need to be going around eating poop, but i agree Lauren, they are most definitely built for more, shall we say, omnivorous eating. Lati is now 11 years old, and living with my inlaws as we moved overseas. She eats totally conventional food and it breaks my heart, i told them about raw food options and i think at least my MIL is open to it. Also, i agree that the recalls show that the companies are at least somewhat concerned. (and that they don’t want to get sued =D)

  • LabsRawesome

    Lol, where do people come up with this stuff?

  • LabsRawesome

    Organic? LMAO. Thats a good one.

  • Crazy4cats

    I just did a US search and, no, we (costco) do not sell Blue Buffalo that I can see. We do, however, have Atta Boy and Pedigree. Oh boy! :( But, we also have Nutra Nuggets, which a lot of people I work with feed their dogs and the Kirkland and Nature’s Domain remain popular as well.

  • Betsy Greer

    Not that I would ever buy Blue Buffalo, but I’ve never seen it for sale at my Costco. The Kirkland foods made by Diamond for Costco are definitely not organic either.

  • Susan Nason

    Blue Buffalo is good and not to bad. You can get it at Costco for a good price. Also Costco has their own brand organic that is made in US and pretty comparable. It does seem everything gets recalled these days.

  • http://www.facebook.com/sandra.fuller.1428 Sandra Fuller

    I feed Stella & chewys freeze dried.Expensive but I have two small dogs and theyre worth it.Plus its easy and light weight to travel with just add warm water and I can get it in vension and lamb.All organic no antibotics or hormones or pesticides.I do however feed frozen large chunks of raw beef once a week to keep their teeth clean and white.Big enough and frozen they have to work at it with lots of chewing action.

  • http://www.facebook.com/wicket.willett Wicket Willett

    It is the pet food industry who has spread the misinformation that dogs are omnivores Frank. Dogs have the teeth of a carnivore. Look for yourself: NO grinding teeth. Plants cells are tougher to digest than animal cells. Our own digestion begins in the mouth where our grinding teeth crush the cells and mix them with enzymes then continue through a much longer intestinal tract.

    Although an omnivore diet will not kill a dog as quickly as it will kill a cat and an organic diet is better than one riddled with chemicals, plant digestion is more stressful to their systems and slowly wears them down (some quicker than others). Try to get a pet nutritionist to tell you the required carbohydrate content necessary for dog or cat health. There is none, zip, zero nada.

  • InkedMarie

    I assume you’re being sarcastic about “every” dog food being recalled. That being said, if you’re okay with ordering, tke a look at dr Tim’s dog food. I can’t remember if its chewy.com or pet flow.com that has very good prices for a good food that’s never been recalled.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    I saw that food mentioned a couple weeks back and I heard Rachel Ray had launched a grain-free food as well. My Walmart doesn’t carry the Natural Life kibble (just the canned). Both my Walmart and Hannaford carry Rachel Ray but neither were carrying the GF last time I checked. I’ll be curious to see the prices and ratings – they’ll be two more budget-friendly grain-free options, I’m sure.

  • LabsRawesome

    Hey HDM, Natural life has a new grain free It looks decent, probably a 4 star. Walmart sells it. I’m not sure on the price. But when you go to their site there is a $10 off coupon.The largest bag is 17.5lbs. http://www.nlpp.com/natural_products/dogs/dry_food/grain_free_chicken_and_potato Also Rachael Ray has a new zero grain food, it looks like a 4 star product as well. And RR is available at like almost any store. http://nutrish.rachaelray.com/products/nutrish-zero-grain-dog-food?gclid=CKyfpsuwubYCFQexnQodXAwAhQ

  • Hound Dog Mom

    P.S. – Thank you for not imposing your dietary choices on your animals.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    If you wanted to try grain-free 4Health has a new grain-free line that is not made by Diamond – it runs $36.99 for a 30 lb. bag. If you can find Victor in your area the grain-inclusive varieties are around $40 for a 40 lb. bag. I’ve seen Merrick’s Whole Earth Farms under $40 for a 35 lb. bag. Pure Balance (sold at Walmart) is $31.88 for 30 lbs. Fromm Classics are around $40 for a 33 lb. bag. Eagle Pack is usually under $40 for a 30 lb. bag.

  • arc8iablue

    I am vegan, but have not imposed that choice on my dog or cats, however I do try to feed them the best that I can on a very limited budget. It seems that EVERY brand I’ve tried has had a recall. Diamond foods seems to make at least half of the pet food brands in my area, Nutro has become suspect, and now I’ve seen a recall on Evo and other higher end brands that I can’t afford anyway. As much as I would like to I can’t afford the completely grain free foods but try to stay away from corn and high grain foods and try to buy organic. Any suggestions on reasonably priced brands (preferably less than $40 for a large bag of large breed dog food) would be much appreciated. Thanks.

  • Shawna

    I’m a raw feeder and I do include a small amount of veggies and fruits in my dogs’ diets. I also feed organic AND free range. I agree with you that organic is a must if the budget allows at least.

    There are live enzymes in veggies but there are also enzymes in any food that has not been heated, including meats. Additionally, it is the amino acids in proteins that the body uses to make the enzymes supplied by the pancreas. As well as the metabolic enzymes used by the very cells of the body.

    Inadequate amounts of protein can cause a deficiency of metabolic or dietary enzymes.
    Grains actually have enzyme inhibitors that can prevent proper digestion by disabling the enzymes. They also have anti-nutrients like phytates that bind with minerals and prevent their absorption. Over time this can lead to a deficiency.

    Other than protein quantities, I think we are probably more alike in our dietary beliefs than we are different..

  • Bacardi

    PETA — people eating tasty animals! Mmmm good.

  • Alexandra

    Frank,

    I never said anything about feeding veggies with their diet as wrong. It’s my preference for my dogs, that is all I meant by that. I follow the whole prey concept of raw, so veggies are not a factor in their meals.

    They do get carrots every day, just not with the meal. Like you all organic.

    Their bodies are not designed to digest grains completely. Their tracts are too short. The plant matter isn’t as bioavailable as a meat source.

  • Shawna

    Hi Frank,

    No one is suggesting you change. Just simply busting the myth of high protein causing kidney disease. It’s simply not true.

  • Frank

    HOW are the dogs getting the correct ratio of omega 3’s and 6’s and how are they getting any glucosamine or chondroitin? Please consider at least adding fish to their meal if you are against feeding them their natural diet.

  • Frank

    Who the F would feed their dogs tortilla chips? Tortilla chips are GMO laden oil packed junk with salt, and not even sea salt usually so PLEASE do not feed dogs tortilla chips. That will be one fat and unhealthy dog. We use corn to fatten pigs!

  • Frank

    Maybe when it was hooked on GMO’s? Go organic

  • Frank

    I am not changing, my dogs live 18 years…no cancer no tumors, no kidney disease…12 dogs and never a disease or condition besides cataracts and arthritis…

  • Frank

    Sorry to burst your bubble but my dogs eat organic vegetables in addition to their meals, and they live very long lives. To the point the veterinarian asks me what my recipes are. I don’t need research, I have my own substantiation of my own hypothesis. Organic, and proven high quality foods whenever possible.

    If/when my dogs eat raw it MUST be organic…worth the extra cost. Wolves chew on grass, dogs need enzymes that live plants provide. Dogs don’t want a salad but fresh veggies are wonderful little vitamin pills that they love to chow on, and carrots clean the teeth as provide a healthy tasty treat.
    I guess you liked my saying, maybe try something original next time

  • Nectarmom

    Ridiculous, sorry Ipad wouldn’t allow me to change mistake spelling LOL!

  • http://twitter.com/ocdgirl2000 Lynne Siegel

    I’ve fed my 10 1/2 yr old black lab x a raw carnivore diet for over 8 yrs. she’s never had salmonella. she did, however, break a molar on a huge bone I purchased once, that was way too big and challenging for her. I learned to purchase appropriate sized “prey” for her meals, after that. She had to go to an oral surgeon to get the tooth extracted, but at 6 yrs old he commented that her teeth were so clean, there was nothing for him to clean when he was working on her.

  • losul

    Does your dog have the muscle tone, enthusiasm, energy, and vitality of this Veg dog “poster” dog? Are you a proud mama too?

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_xLflvamFZZg/TMj9i3doUnI/AAAAAAAAEM0/JsMeC3qxxrE/s1600/Datsun%2BV-Dog.JPG

    chuckles

  • Rachel

    When was the last time you saw a wild dog attack a corn field?

  • Pattyvaughn

    You can buy them for educational purposes, and no one is checking so if having a turtle is “educational” for you, you can buy one. At least that’s how it stands in Florida.

  • losul

    yeah thats probably a reasonable assumption.

    I guess the authorities considered it enough of a risk though to take those little silver dollar sized red-eared turtles out of the market, or I think they did. I remember all the hoopla about them long ago.

  • Shawna

    Thanks Losul! Appreciate it!!

    I agree with everything you posted!!

    Since salmonella can be picked up from pet turtles, captured frogs and lizards, snakes etc you know that there are probably a lot of little boys (and maybe girls too) that have been exposed to salmonella and been healthy enough to battle the bug on their own…. I would assume so anyways :)..

  • Lauren

    The product was tested before it left the facility and came back as NEGATIVE for salmonella. Do not be so quick to blame the company that manufactures the food. Maybe the store didn’t handle or store it properly. There have been no reports of illness in any animals due to consuming this product. The company issued a voluntary recall because they do care about the well being of the animals. The company tests and holds every batch that they make before distributing it. Either way, dogs’ physiology are different and they are far more resistant to salmonella than humans are. They eat garbage, dead animals and lick each others’ butts! It is a RAW food! There is a risk of pathogens. It is still one of the best raw foods out there.

  • losul

    Very well said Shawna. Thanks. These were some points I’d been trying to bring up for some time, not near as effectively as you though. It’s something i thoroughly researched before ever starting my dog on raw.

    If I can add, there are several things can happen if a dog is exposed to salmonella;

    1) Nothing. The numbers of bacteria aren’t sufficient for any to make it past the dog’s stomach acids.

    2) Not much. The bacteria that make it past are destroyed by competing good microbes and the immune system.

    3) Not alot. The immune system and gut flora keeps the bacteria in check and keep it from being any real problem, if the bacteria is not evenyually wiped out, the dog might carry/harbor the bacteria and could sometimes shed in feces, but could remain asymptomatic.

    4) Overwhelming numbers of bacteria/and or a weakened immune system allow the bacteria to multiply and flourish, creating various degrees of illness, even up to death( death is probably rare for dogs.)

    Alot of adult humans have probably had salmonellosis without even knowing it.

    from the USDA website;

    Q. What are the symptoms of salmonellosis?
    A. Although in some people salmonellosis could be asymptomatic, most people experience diarrhea, abdominal cramps, and fever within 8 to 72 hours after the contaminated food was eaten. Additional symptoms may be chills, headache, nausea, and vomiting. Symptoms usually disappear within 4 to 7 days. Many people with salmonellosis recover without treatment and may never see a doctor. However, Salmonella infections can be life-threatening especially for infants and young children, pregnant women and their unborn babies, and older adults, who are at a higher risk for foodborne illness, as are people with weakened immune systems (such as those with HIV/AIDS, cancer, diabetes, kidney disease, and transplant patients).

    Q. Are there long-term consequences?
    A. Persons with diarrhea usually recover completely, although it may be several months before their bowel habits are entirely normal. A small number of persons who are infected with Salmonella may develop pains in their joints, irritation of the eyes, and painful urination. This is called Reiter’s syndrome. It can last for months or years and can lead to chronic arthritis that is difficult to treat.

    http://www.fsis.usda.gov/factsheets/Salmonella_Questions_&_Answers/index.asp

  • Shawna

    Omnivore or carnivore, the fact remains that dogs have no nutritional requirement for carbohydrates. They “require” protein and fat but not carbs. However, I do think the nutrients in veggies and friuts are beneficial in small amounts.

    “There is no known minimum dietary carbohydrate requirement for either the dog or
    cat. Based on investigations in the dog and with other species it is likely that dogs and cats can be maintained without carbohydrates if the diet supplies enough fat or protein from which the metabolic requirement for glucose is derived.” – The Waltham Book of Dog & Cat Nutrition (1988), edited by Dr. A. T. B. Edney
    http://www.thewholedog.org/id34.html

  • Shawna

    Hi Frank ~~ this myth that too much or high protein leads to kidney disease has been disproven for quite some time but it is a myth that is proving very hard to kill.. I see someone post something about it almost daily.

    Even dog with kidney disease do not need to be placed on a “low” protein diet unless they have significant protein in the urine. And then only until the cause is identified and addressed. My pup has had kidney disease for almost seven years and has been on a HIGH protein raw diet that whole time. She is unmedicated, never requires veterinary intervention and quite healthy.

    Current research says

    “Mythology of Protein Restriction for Dogs with Reduced Renal Function

    Results of the 10 experimental studies on dogs have failed to provide evidence of the benefit of reduced dietary protein to influence the course of renal failure. 27–36″ http://www.orijen.ca/orijen/Myths_of_High_Protein.pdf

    If protein doesn’t need to be restricted in dogs WITH kidney disease it certainly doesn’t need restricted in dogs without kidney disease. The exception is dogs with acute kidney disease (say from poisoning or an infection).

  • Alexandra

    Dogs are non-obligate carnivores. They can “survive” on veggies but THRIVE on meat. HUGE difference.

    One only has to look at the long sharp teeth that are designed to rip flesh from bone. Their short digestive tract does not allow for vegetable matter to be absorbed properly.

  • Alexandra

    Frank,

    Sorry to burst your bubble, but research in the last decade has proven that “too much” meat has no impact on kidney health.

    My dogs do not get vegetables with their raw meals. And when they get kibble it is either Brothers Complete or Orijen and that is topped with raw as well.

  • JT Gould

    Oops… Sorry about that!

  • Frank

    Cats are carnivores. Dogs are OMNIvores. Where do you people come up with this ignorance???

  • Frank

    Sorry to burst your bubble but dogs can have small amounts of grain and they should eat vegetables. Wild dogs eat their prey whole, including the contents of their stomachs. Too much meat can lead to kidney problems down the road. Dogs need balanced nutrition.

  • Frank

    Dogs are omnivores.

  • Pattyvaughn

    It’s their vegan support group. They let each other know where they are posting so they get plenty of biased support.

  • LabsRawesome

    I can’t believe that your comment got 8 likes. Who are these 8 IDIOTS? Are you serious?

  • Pattyvaughn

    He probably had learning disabilities that weren’t even recognized back then. It’s my son’s favorite quote. You can probably guess why.

  • InkedMarie

    I’ve been using Darwins for 6 or 7 months, probably longer if I actually figured it out. Great food! I’m actually going away from it, to a grind that is just meat, bone & organ but I highly recommend Darwins.

  • http://www.facebook.com/myrna.wacker Myrna Wacker

    I agree. Think of how many years the dog/wolf has survived throughout … if they were able to “handle” to make a long description shorter, the dog would not be here today.

  • http://www.facebook.com/myrna.wacker Myrna Wacker

    Did AJ really say that? Must have not majored in English.

  • Marie

    Yeah, while I support a carnivorous diet for dogs, they can at least survive on a vegetarian diet for a while – not so much with cats. It’s incredibly irresponsible for any company or organization to promote a vegan diet for a feline.

    I shouldn’t be surprised with PETA though, they’re a bunch of terrorist hypocrites anyway.

  • http://www.thegreedypinstripes.com/ BryanV21

    100% agree. Cats are obligate or “true” carnivores, meaning they absolutely NEED animal-based protein (meat, organs, etc). Unlike dogs that can handle some carbs in their diet, although they don’t NEED carbs.

  • http://www.thegreedypinstripes.com/ BryanV21

    Okay, I agree that we have to check up on everything we purchase for ourselves and loved ones… food, clothes, etc. It just came off that you thought it was silly of people to buy pre-made raw, or anything commercial.

    And I don’t recall anybody around here claiming to be an expert or have “specialized knowledge”, but it’s a fact that some around here have more (and in some case MUCH more) knowledge than others.

  • Marie

    I think it’s sick anyone would feed a cat a vegan diet. It’s cruelty, plain and simple.

  • http://www.thegreedypinstripes.com/ BryanV21

    Makes sense, thanks.

  • Marie

    Actually, the only way you’ll have complete control over what goes into your pet is if you plan on raising the prey animal and butchering it yourself. There is still a degree of separation even when you locally source meat, so to me, getting it from the store or the local butcher or even a local farmer isn’t THAT much different (although you’d probably feel better about the latter.)

  • Paula

    Definitely agree it’s dangerous when done wrong and would suggest anyone who is feeding just “meat” to back up and feed a high quality kibble or pre-made raw instead … And I’m certainly not judging, just saying it’s the same as feeding any commercial product – you have no control and have to trust in a company who may or may not have your pet’s best interest first and foremost in their minds. I also can’t stand to see people talk about their “specialized knowledge” or all the research that has to be done. Makes it seem more daunting than it really is.

  • Shawna

    Yes and no… A healthy dog with good gut bacteria could resist a minor contamination and as the report said could even harbor some without ill effect. However a really large exposure or an immune compromised dog, even to a small exposure, could get very ill from contaminated food.

    It all boils down to how strong the immune system is.

  • Pattyvaughn

    Healthy dogs should be immune from salmonella, however many dogs do not have a healthy gut/immune system, and they may have problems with salmonella overgrowth. It is hard to say that the problem is salmonella, if dogs have it in their system anyway. We often found dogs with diarrhea had a high fecal bacteria count, but the bacteria was not necessarily the cause of the diarrhea, sometimes it’s a result of gut motility.

  • http://www.thegreedypinstripes.com/ BryanV21

    You lost me with the word “PETA”. I wouldn’t trust those people with a thing. They want what’s best for animals, but they have no idea what IS best for animals.

  • http://www.thegreedypinstripes.com/ BryanV21

    Very interesting. So, are you saying, dogs may very well be immune to the effects of Salmonella?

  • Hound Dog Mom

    It’s called the “I Should’ve Got A Rabbit Instead of a Dog Diet” diet. Very popular among vegans vegetarians.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Hi rglg –

    In the forum section under “Suggested Raw Dog Food Menus” I have several recipes posted that I feed my dogs. I performed a nutrient analysis on the most recent recipes I formulated (on the last page) and they conform to AAFCO nutrient standards for all life stages. These can be found here: http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/forums/topic/menus/. Another great online resource is Dog Aware: http://dogaware.com/diet/rawfoods.html. My favorite raw feeding book is “Unlocking the Canine Ancestral Diet” by Steve Brown – it’s short but comprehensive and includes easy to follow complete and balanced recipes that utilize ingredients that are readily available.

    Edit: Didn’t notice that you were looking for a cooked food. Just omit the bone in any raw recipe and add 800-1,000 mg. calcium per pound of meat. Simple solution. :)

  • rglg

    My dog quit eating raw food. I was feeding him Bravo. (I bought 5lbs not contaminated) Not sure what to feed him. I need a good cooked recipe. Any one have one.

  • Red

    You make it sound like some protein sources will just spring out of the ground if you “look hard enough” for them! Ha! If I have to order a protein from far away, how is it any better than ordering from a company?

    For new people interested in raw who come on this site for information, and they see all this bickering about whose “raw” is better, why would they want to read further? It’s like a kindergarten sandbox.

  • Shawna

    A report came out some time ago that stated that organisms (including salmonella) were hard to identify as being the cause of diarrhea in a dog because some of these organisms are “normal” to the dogs digestive tract.

    “A number of bacterial organisms commonly associated with diarrhea in dogs and cats include Salmonella, Campylobacter, Clostridium perfringens and Clostridium difficile.
    Veterinarians are faced with a
    quandary when attempting to diagnose
    dogs and cats with suspected bacterial-associated diarrhea, because these organisms commonly represent a normal part of the host’s intestinal microflora.” http://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/ccah/local-assets/pdfs/newsletter_2003_fall.pdf

  • monkey

    Wow, wtf kind of diet is that for a dog?!

  • Kim

    I use Darwin’s also – it’s great raw food!

  • Pattyvaughn

    To worry about how to spell ridiculous is ridiculous.
    Andrew Jackson once said
    “It is a small mind that can only think of one way to spell a word.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/gretchen.robinson.5 Gretchen Robinson

    spell check?

  • http://www.thegreedypinstripes.com/ BryanV21

    Feeding raw can be very dangerous when done incorrectly.

    Think about it… a wild dog will eat not just it’s preys meat, but also it’s bones, skin, and organs. Thus getting a complete diet. Eating just meat, no matter where it’s sourced from, is NOT a complete and balanced diet.

    That’s where commercial raw foods come into play, as they are already a complete and balanced diet for those that want to feed raw, but don’t have the time or means to do so correctly themselves.

    Good for you for doing it yourself, but until you walk a mile in another’s shoes do not judge them for purchasing a commercial raw diet.

  • http://www.thegreedypinstripes.com/ BryanV21

    Dogs can not “handle” Salmonella. The Salmonella bacteria just has a hard time “grabbing hold” of a dog or cat’s short intestinal tract in order to “do it’s damage”.

    BTW, the South Carolina Diamond plant has not been the only one with problems.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Hi Paula –

    I choose to put a bit more care into formulating my dogs’ diets. They eat a variety of protein sources, fruits, vegetables, organic dairy and eggs, sprouted nuts and seeds and whole foods supplements. They get ground in the morning so it’s easier to mix in their supplements and vegetables and rmb’s and whole organs in the evening. I actually ran a full nutrient analysis on their most recent menu plan and it exceeds the AAFCO nutrient profiles for all life stages. I don’t like to just throw things in a bowl and hope for the best, I take the time to create balance. Each meal doesn’t have to be balanced but over the course of a day or two I like complete and balanced, species-appropriate nutrition.

  • http://www.facebook.com/myrna.wacker Myrna Wacker

    This is NOT A TRUE statement. I have been feeding Diamond for 15+ years in Missouri and have had NO problems with bad food until I moved to South Carolina… where I must admit that there have been a couple of cases of Salmonella infested bags I had to return. But again, the worry is more that the human will be infected, not so much the dog. Dogs can handle Salmonella… it’s the foreign chemicals, etc from China in foods that affect dogs.

  • Linda

    For Snow Wright: How old are you dogs and what breed? Just curious.

  • http://www.facebook.com/myrna.wacker Myrna Wacker

    OMG.. PETA kills dogs… so that is what they are trying to do here. Get the hell away from PETA!

  • Shawna

    It’s harder for people with toy breed dogs. My 4 pound Chihuahua can’t eat a goat or lamb head. I can feed her raw meaty bones if I’m confortable with feeding her nothing but chicken wings/legs/necks. But none of us here would consider that acceptable.

    Grocery store meats really aren’t all that great quality either (meat glue as just one example). In all honesty, I’d rather buy a premade raw made from organic grass finished livestock than anything I could buy at my local regular grocer that came from GMO fed cattle etc. If I could get foods straight from the local, organic/grass finished farmer that would be better yet but so far that isn’t an option.

    Also, I like to feed my dogs small amounts of fruit and veggies for the antioxidants as I am a city dweller and as such my dogs are exposed to way more toxins than some country dwelling dogs might be. My neighbors both spray their yards. We have carpeting and a few pieces of particle board furniture (so they are exposed to formaldehyde on a daily basis). Car exhaust, gas stove top and on and on and on..

  • Paula

    Eh, if anyone is in need of getting their “nose
    out of the air,” it’s a person who would suggest that s/he has any sort of highly specialized knowledge to be feeding a raw diet.

    Yes, I know that some folks may have to try harder and search further to find some of the protein sources they may be interested in … That doesn’t mean it can’t be done and honestly, if a comment made by a complete stranger, totally unknown person turns you off of raw, you weren’t seriously interested in it in the first place. Get over yourself, please.

    There are many things you don’t get when you’re feeding any commercial food – raw or otherwise. I agree it’s better than kibble, but you’re still at the mercy of a larger corporation/company that has its bottom line to look out for over and above the life and health of your pet. If you source the meat yourself, you have ultimate control of what goes into your dog/cat/other pet – you lose that control when you feed a commercial food, no matter how much you may trust it and no matter how reputable you feel the company you’re buying from may
    be. One huge myth perpetuated and fed by
    dog food companies is the need for a “balanced” diet … If you’re feeding the same meal day in and day out, kibble or pre-made raw or otherwise, yes, you need to make absolutely certain it is perfectly balanced because it’s all they’re getting. If you’re feeding a variety of proteins and a healthy balance of bone/muscle/organ, your pet is going to get everything they need. I’m all for supplementation to
    fill in any potential gaps, but the time and research needed to feed a healthy, well-balanced raw diet isn’t anywhere near as daunting as you seem to be
    suggesting.

    Another note, and this point was made previously, is that if you’re feeding ground bones, whether home or commercially prepared, your dog/cat isn’t getting the benefit of chewing up/breaking down the bones themselves, which is very beneficial for a number of reasons.

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.rodriguez.5891 Michael Rodriguez

    We started on blue n then acana.. you can tell even these, most of the food goes to waste.. just see how much more they stool with anything other then raw..

  • InkedMarie

    Hopefully you’ve read what Shawna and HDM already replied to you. I don’t do pmr but I do know just throwing your dog meat isn’t all you have to do.

  • Red

    I disagree. I can’t get many of the meats I feed my cat in a grocery store. There are no local suppliers of rabbit or lamb in my area, and the only meats I can buy at the store are beef, chicken, pork. So, I buy premade raw from companies that can get ahold of these sources.

    Take your nose out of the air please. It really turns people off who are raw-curious.

  • Shawna

    That’s actually a good way to cause malnutrition in your dog.. :( Dogs need the vitamins and minerals derived from organs–like A and D in liver. They need some source of fiber to mimic the bone and fur of a natural diet. They need sodium that would have been in the blood of a prey animal. They need the omega 3s that would have been in the brain and eyes etc. The taurine that would have been in the heart. They need a source of calcium that would mimic the bone in a prey animal etc etc etc.. A meat only or even meat and bone only diet is lacking in many nutrients.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    If you’re just feeding meat you dog is not getting a balanced diet, there’s a lot more to it than that.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jenfleur Jennifer Schyuler Fleury

    Actually, you do just buy some meat, throw it in a bowl and give it to the dog. Although I actually skip the bowl step. Researching it is WAY easier than keeping on top of all these recalls.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Hi Paula –

    How does feeding pre-made raw defeat the purpose of feeding raw? The purpose of feeding raw is to provide your dog with a high quality species-appropriate diet and pre-made raw foods achieve this. I personally feed my dogs a homemade raw diet and I will agree that homemade raw diets are much higher quality than pre-made, however a pre-made raw food is still far superior to any other type of commercial dog food. Some individuals just don’t have the time or knowledge required to prepare a raw diet from scratch and feeding a pre-made food is the only way they can provide their dogs with raw food. I’d rather see someone that doesn’t have the time to home-prepare raw buying a pre-made raw rather than opting for kibble to save time and I’d definitely rather see someone feeding a pre-made raw than an unbalanced homemade raw diet.

  • http://www.facebook.com/BunnyRoo11 Ressi Smith

    i wouldnt trust anything that involves PETA. They do more harm than good for animals/ animal rights

  • Pattyvaughn

    I have personal experience with those nuts.

  • Twilight

    I agree with you Alexandra. You are 100% correct!

  • InkedMarie

    HA, Patty’s the one who spoke!

  • Pattyvaughn

    Don’t support PETA in any way!!! They are a bunch of domestic terrorists. They went to a dog show I was at and let dogs loose right by an interstate and a major highway. Dogs died due to them. Their agenda is to end all pet ownership and they don’t care how they do it.

  • Alisse

    We got our GSD when she was 3 from a breeder that feeds her entire kennel RAW meat- bones, skin, the whole deal and her dogs are all healthy. She does not feed any veggies or grains. I personally could not keep it up so do 1/2 Darwin’s ( a raw dog food that comes out of Seattle) and 1/2 high grade/ high protein kibble (Origen). But I agree- dogs are carnivores. Their gut contains different bacteria than humans.

  • Alexandra

    That’s why skipped that one :-)

  • carol ives

    Diane im with you i dont think they care about anything but money you would think they care about our animals as we do but the recalls keep right on coming

  • InkedMarie

    I agree and am shutting up about Peta

  • Alexandra

    Dogs and cats are CARNIVORES. They need meat. While these vegan diets may have “everything” they need, the proteins from plants DO NOT have the same bioavailability as a meat sourced protein. In the long run a diet of plants could do more harm then good.

    Those long sharp teeth are designed to rip flesh off of bone. Their digestive tracts are not long enough to properly absorb plant and grain matter.

    Please treat you dog or cat like the carnivore that they are.

  • InkedMarie

    Not everyone wants to put in the time to research how to properly feed a dog raw. You don’t just buy some meat, throw it in a bowl & give it to the dog. Not everyone is into feeding whole cuts of meat.
    For those people, a high quality pre made raw is a good option. I feed two pre mades at the moment, switching two of my dogs over to Hare today grinds starting next week. Anyone can have a recall, it’s the repeated recalls from the same company that bother me.

  • http://www.facebook.com/kaia.schroeder.1 Kaia Schroeder

    Go to the PETA website. They have a link with vegan dog food recipes. The recipes allow for all the nutrition dogs need including the right pH, proteins, enzymes, etc. Dogs can thrive on a vegan diet, just not any ol’ vegan diet. Vegecat even provides all the nutrients for cats, including non animal sourced taurine. It’s an age old argument. Try it, if your pet thrives, so be it. Our planet can’t continue to support all of the meat consumption we impose on it. Check out the book,Comfortably Unaware by Dr. Oppenlander. Or watch his youtube video. Also google Dr. Melanie Joy’s youtube video on Carnism.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tanya-Marquette/507805401 Tanya Marquette

    dangerous diet for your dog. dogs need to eat primarily meat and should never be given any grains at all–so no tortilla chips even if organic. sorry to burst your bubble.

  • sisu

    What companies has Diamond bought?

  • Karen Lloyd Mamalakis

    WTH is going on with dog food and treats. I am getting recalls everyday. Go to Blue dog food. Your dog will feel healthier and his coat will shine. Blue is Gluten FREE. Walmart and other crap places DO NOT sell it. The food is more expensive; but, ur critter will NOT die. Get OFF the bad dog food that will HARM ur dog.

  • http://www.facebook.com/debbienelson54d Debbie Nelson

    Can u share a recipe for this ?

  • sandy

    You can get salmonella from any raw meat. Are they going to recall hamburger, chicken , pork etc., you get my point..

  • JT Gould

    I got a meat grinder because i was afraid to give raw meaty bones thinking they could choke etc…. But now I hardly grind anything for them. Chewing on the bones are so much better for their teeth. Now I use the grinder to make my own steak burgers …. Don’t truest the slaughter houses in what goes in my ground beef. Little more time consuming…. Just like you said “YES”, but it is so worth it!

  • JT Gould

    I agree 100% … Like I said in my comment… Why are they feeding old food from 2012?

  • JT Gould

    Hmmmmm …. I feed my dogs raw food. Salmonella is in the gut of all dogs. Dogs are carnivores and eat raw prey that has Salmonella in the prey’s system naturally. Don’t believe it look it up. My question is why are people feeding food from back in 2012. I am fortunate to get my 4 dogs raw food from a local source (farm) that is USDA inspected and fresh. As long as you use common sense and wash your hands and surfaces properly like you should, there shouldn’t be any danger to you or your family.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Patti-Roth/100000002111483 Patti Roth

    I do agree with you. I am thankful for the Dog Food Advisory, glad I stay away from what is going on and so far so good

  • http://www.facebook.com/nbovigny Snow Wright

    I have been cooking for my dogs for about two years….and they are on a vegan “diet”…!! They are very healthy and so is their food because it contains neither preservatives, chemicals, nor pesticides…!! They love it….!! I mix flax oil with dried seaweeds for flavor and sometimes add nuts (no walnuts) , tortilla chips (organic & decreased sodium), coconut oil, molasses, fruits, veggies, legumes, and grains…!! They get all the nutrients they need from their food and are thriving….!! If this diet would be promoted the pet food companies would go out of business so it is contraindicated…..:(

  • jrq2013

    Diamond products have been recalled many times and they’re so big now they keep buying up the smaller companies that have, in the past, been doing right by our critters; until they get picked up by Diamond!

  • Krisy13

    I make my own raw food as well. I switched over a couple of months ago from feeding commercial raw. I am really happy I did because now even very reputable brands are having recall issues. Not only is it better quality but it is much less expensive than buying commercial raw.

  • Paula

    Of course it’s safer to feed your dog something you’d eat yourself! I buy meat from the grocery store and other local sources for my dogs and there’s no reason to buy a “special” product like this for your dog/cat … Just learn about feeding raw and do it yourself. Buying a premade product totally defeats the value and purpose of feeding raw in the first place.

  • Tired of this

    I make my own raw food. Is it less convenient? Sure. Is it slightly more time consuming? Sure. Is it worth it? YES! Buy a meat grinder and don’t look back.

  • Nectarmom

    I totally agree. Just rediculous!

  • Diane

    I’m beginning to feel that it’s safer to just feed my dog the food I eat every nite. This is getting to be so common anymore it’s pathetic. What’s with these places anymore…..don’t they even care?