Nature’s Variety Dog Food Recall

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July, 12, 2012 — Nature’s Variety has announced a voluntary recall of its Prairie Beef Meal and Barley Medley Kibble for Dogs due to an unusual odor that may develop over time.

According to the company, the product is “not contaminated in any way”.

However, some recipes are not remaining fresh for their expected shelf life.

Nature’s Variety CEO, Reed Howlett, explained…

“We’ve found that some bags of Prairie Beef Meal & Barley Medley Kibble for Dogs have an off-odor smell. To be sure that our consumers only receive the freshest and highest quality product possible, we have decided to voluntarily recall all Prairie Beef Meal & Barley Medley Kibble for Dogs from the marketplace.”

What Products Are Being Recalled?

The products being recalled are listed below:

  • UPC# 7 69949 60420 4 – Prairie Beef Meal & Barley Medley Kibble for Dogs 5 lb
  • UPC# 7 69949 60425 9 – Prairie Beef Meal & Barley Medley Kibble for Dogs 15 lb
  • UPC# 7 69949 60430 3 – Prairie Beef Meal & Barley Medley Kibble for Dogs 30 lb
  • UPC# 7 69949 60432 7 – Prairie Beef Meal & Barley Medley Kibble for Dogs 3 oz sample

No other Nature’s Variety products are affected.

What to Do

Consumers who have purchased one of the above products can obtain a full refund.

Or they may exchange any recalled item for a different variety by either returning it in its original packaging or bringing a proof of purchase back to their retailer.

Consumers with additional questions are invited to call Nature’s Variety Consumer Relations at (888) 519-7387. Or, they may contact Nature’s Variety by email.

You can report complaints about FDA-regulated pet food products by calling the consumer complaint coordinator in your area.

Or go to http://www.fda.gov/petfoodcomplaints.

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  • allessior

    We started our 3 young dogs on Nature’s Variety about two months ago from this writing. We have a Jack Russel (Lupo), 6 years, a Vizsla age 4 (Opul), and a Vizsla (Jade) age 2.

    Lupo has now started humping Jade incessantly. Of course he is neutered, so this is extremely odd. This change in behavior is very tightly coupled with the change in food to Prairie. He is constantly licking her from behind, then humping.

    Jade is developing a rash on her vagina ever since the change to Prairie. She also seems very frustrated and she seems like she is in pain in that area. We also noted that her stool is very watery.

    Opul is putting on extreme weight since changing to Prairie and she seems extremely moody, much more so than ever.

    Bottom line, we are going to revert to the old diet.

    I am interested to know if any of you have had similar experiences.

  • Elizabeth

     I am so sorry for your loss!  Any chance you also had your Havanese on Trifexis or Comfortis?  Flea and or heartworm prevention?

  • Mona

     I had issues with the subsequently recalled NV Prairie Beef Meal & Barley Medley back in May 2012 and called NV to report problems.  They insinuated my concerns with off smelling kibble, which my 7 yr old Havanese was tasting & leaving uneaten; were an isolated incident.  I had been feeding my Hav NV Chicken & Rice as well as Beef & Barley for 6 yrs.  without incident.  They issued a replacement coupon and the 2nd bag of Beef & Barley purchased had the same problem with a foul smell upon opening the bag.  Not sure how much my dog was fed since he stopped eating the product, but within weeks he developed severe gastro problems (vomiting, diarrhea) and eventually was put down.  Only later did I learn that the NV Beef & Barley medley was recalled a week before he was put to sleep.  Considering I was signed up on their site for years, they never so much as notified me by email or snail mail (remember they did have my info on file since I complained about the product 2 months earlier.) I will never again trust this company nor buy any of their products.  When I called for more info on their recall, they refused to share any product test results, saying only that the recall was “voluntary” which seemed to be their way of absolving themselves of any responsibilty.  My concerns with any contamination and toxicity of their product and any connection it may have had to my dog’s death, were ignored.  My dog was in excellent health and within a month of experiencing severe symptoms, died.  Any connection? Who knows, but NV was completely disinterested in hearing from me.  I have filed a complaint recently with the FDA and hope I’ll learn more in time.

  • Melissaandcrew

    Nrieman-

    There is not a food as you describe. If you mean the Prairie chicken(grain inclusive) no issues here. If you mean the NV Instinct Chicken(gf) then yes. My dobes eat it-1 had no problem, 1 vomited once, and the other had shooting runs for three  days. Since the other two had very minor concerns, I assumed I had some sort of stomach virus issue at play.(and they just had their Heartgard which does not agree with the s”stomach” dog)

  • InkedMarie

    I always err on the side of caution; I would buy something else but call Natures Variety. Save some of the food in case they want to test it, if you have the bag it came in, save that as well.

  • Nrieman

    Has anyone had issues with the Prairie Chicken and Rice Grain Free variety.  Both my 7 mos mini Aussie and 10 yr-old German Shepherd have been having issues for the past 2 weeks.  Took samples to vet to confirm no parasites or worms.  Pup has had almost constant stinky gas; constipation to point of crying followed by diarrhea first week of new back and now just soft stool; and German Shepherd diarrhea.  Weaned both dogs to this a few months ago without issue.  Don’t see any recalls, but not sure if it’s a feed issue or possible contamination issue…  

  • LabsRawesome

     Pied Piper.  :)

  • LA

    Who is Instinct Manufactured By?
    The company who makes Instinct dog food is called Nature’s Variety, inc. Nature’s Variety is a company that is currently independently operated and owned, being headquartered in Lincoln, Nebraska. The founders of Nature’s Variety were several families that had focused on growing sustainable agriculture in the heartland of the United States.
    Instinct Dog Food Recall
    As of right now, the company who makes Instinct dog food has recalled several different products. These products are mostly limited to frozen diets, which were contaminated with salmonella. However, a recall was also 7/12/12 (see above on this page) it’s recommended that you check the FDA’s pet food recall website for regular updates.

  • InkedMarie

    Love it!  I also freeze kongs. Never thought about using pumpkin but I’ve layered some yogurt with kibble, The Honest Kitchen and sometimes, a little peanut butter. Always freeze them too!

  • KellyLight

     Weezie enjoying her pumpkin “kongsicle” courtesy of HDM! Thanks for the idea! :-)

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    I love that!  I wondered if you froze them.  I’m officially letting you know that I’ll be stealing this idea!  ; )  Thanks, as always, for sharing!

  • Hound Dog Mom

    I do a layer of kibble layer of pumpkin, continue until the kong is full (about 1/4up of each for a large kong) and freeze. I prop the kongs up in the freezer so nothing drips out, but I use the fruitables pumpkin and it’s pretty thick. Kong-sicles!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    One question, HDM… how on Earth do you give them Kongs stuffed with pumpkin and kibble?  Isn’t that a gigantic mess?!  

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Richard –

    I completely agree. There are huge differences between kibbles. There are many very high quality species appropriate kibbles on the market and I’m impressed every day with the new products hitting the market – it seems manufacturers and pet parents alike are becoming more health conscious (finally). Most of the five star foods on this site I think a dog could thrive on – especially if augmented with fresh foods. I also agree that many foods are processed very differently. I’ve actually read many of your posts on the Brother’s thread and the information on the Brother’s document and am very impressed by the measures taken to create such a high quality kibble. I actually ordered some samples a couple months back (I give my dogs kongs stuffed with kibble and canned pumpkin every night) – they loved it. My intent was not to generalize all kibbles as being horrible but to emphasize that fresh raw diets can be a balanced and an appropriate way to feed a domestic dog.

  • http://BrothersComplete.com/ Richard Darlington

    Hound Dog Mom

    I am definitely a proponent of feeding raw for those who are so inclined. Even if you feed a quality kibble like Brothers I’ll usually suggest augmenting the diet with some raw or raw meaty bones for dental health.

    Your passionate pursuit of nutritional excellence for your dogs is very admirable and it’s because you are so obviously committed to helping dogs nutritionally that I felt it important to volunteer some info on recent variations in the world of kibble.

    You made the statement, “Are you aware that most amino acids, vitamins, enzymes, and healthy probiotics necessary for a dog’s optimum health are destroyed by heat? This is why you see that long list of additives at the end of a kibble’s ingredients list – the product is nutritionally devoid so it all has to be added back in.”

    I’m sure that in the more extreme cases of low quality kibbles, where they are exposed to temperatures as high as 350 F for hours in rendering and the extrusion process, some of this may well have been true (although I don’t think that all the amino acids and vitamins can be destroyed at even these temperatures) but this description does not apply to all kibbles.

    I can only speak authoritatively for Brothers Complete dog food but our protein is exposed to temperatures much lower and for a shorter duration than canned dog food (170 to 194 F compared to 250 F for canned). In fact it is cooked at temperatures lower than you would probably cook the food if you cooked for your dog at home.

     Basically what you have is very much like a dehydrated food that has been gently cooked at low temperatures. It’s just dried meat, with some fresh animal fat (naturally preserved with things like Vit C, E, green tea extract and Rosemary), and a carb that functions as a prebiotic that’s been put together in a way that makes it more stable. 

    We add vitamins and minerals to balance the nutritional profile of the food so that IF one were to feed only Brothers and nothing more than that the food would be perfectly and nutritionally balanced (not because it’s nutritionally devoid). In feeding raw you must vary the ingredients so that hopefully over time the nutrient profile will balance out to meet the needs of the dog but with kibble you must ensure that EVERY meal is perfectly balanced.

    Finally we add digestive enzymes, prebiotics, and probiotics AFTER the kibble has cooled so there is no damage to them. You can’t really add these things to canned food so again you might make an argument that certain kibbles are superior to canned food.

    My point is that we need to be aware that there are now huge differences between kibbles and how they are made and what is put in them. We cannot just lump them all together into one category which describes the absolute worst of the worst.

    Times are changing and there are some companies that are looking for and finding a better way. I know you are conscientious and well intentioned or I wouldn’t have taken the time to explain all this.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Drumpro81 –

    Have you taken a basic class in evolution? If you have you’d know that for the short timespan dogs have been domesticated they have not “evolved” enough to handle a carbohydrate-laden kibble diet. I mean dogs and wolves can still interbreed – they can’t be too different can they? If you do some research you’ll find dogs and wolves have identical digestive system – meaning dogs have not changed internally, they’ve only changed in appearance and personality. Dogs are recognized as having the same digestive capabilities as wolves. They have only been eating kibble four only around a hundred years – evolution takes thousands and thousands of years. Are you aware that dogs don’t naturally produce the necessary enzymes to digest carbohydrates? Most kibbles are around 50% carbohydrates – it’s very stressful on a dog’s pancreas to eat a diet like this long term. Why would you feed an animal a food it’s body isn’t designed to digest? Are you aware that most amino acids, vitamins, enzymes, and healthy probiotics necessary for a dog’s optimum health are destroyed by heat? This is why you see that long list of additives at the end of a kibble’s ingredients list – the product is nutritionally devoid so it all as to be added back in. A raw diet most certainly can be balanced when done correctly. Every commercial raw diet is held to the same standards as a kibble and has to meet the same nutrient requirements. As far as homemade, I mean it doesn’t take a rocket scientist. People can cook for themselves, why couldn’t they cook for a dog? There are many recipe books out there formulated by veterinarians – as well as many veterinarians that would disagree with you that raw is inappropriate (Dr. Becker, Dr. Goldstein, Dr. Pitcairn just to name a few very well known vets).

    You’re correct that dogs are a member of the family though. The fact that my dogs are my family is why I don’t subject them to eating non-species appropriate pelleted meal replacement made with unidentifiable questionable ingredients day in and day out. My dogs only eat antibiotic/hormone/steroid free grass fed meat/cage free poultry, organic fruits and vegetables, and human-grade supplements. They eat different food at each meal. I love them and recognize them for the carnivores they are and feed them appropriately. I personally feel, the “mentality” of feeding a dog a meal replacement for their whole life (I know I wouldn’t want to eat a meal replacement bar at every meal!) and feeding them food nature didn’t intend for them to eat is “ridiculous.” :)

  • Drumpro81

    The mentality of feeding your animal a raw diet is ridiculous. They are not receiving the nutrition that they need; keep in mind that they are not wild and therefore have no reason to consume raw food. If they were wild then they would live short lives and be exposed to disease (from eating raw meat, fresh or rancid). And for all of those owners who say that a raw diet is ok because that’s what they eat in the wild, then I would assume that it would be ok for people to eat raw meat because that what cavemen use to eat in the wild. These animals are domesticated, a member of the family and we should treat them as such.

  • CRS

    Anyone concerned about recalls should keep in mind no raw meat is microbiologically safe.  Dogs don’t succumb to salmonella as readily as humans, but they and of course their human feeders are vulnerable.  Not to mention campylobacter, listeria, STECs,  MRSA — all the extra treats that come with raw meat!

  • Valleybill

    I don’t understand any of anyone logic. The only one who decides what canines should eat is Mother Nature herself. Not you, me, or the pet food companies. At the last check, good kibble is $3+/LB AND good frozen raw food is $4+/lb.  I buy raw people beef at the market on sale for $1.50- $3.00/lb and add a small amount of frozen raw and no-grain canned which averages <$3/day for almost what my dog would eat in the wild.

  • Mattd

    This has been going on for quite a while.  Many months i would say. 

  • Mary

    Just do some research and found you guys. Ifeed my shepard and sitzu Halshan raw food. I do add pro biotics, digestive emzyms, calicum, etc.  Also you can check out Stella’s Chewy’s and Drawen frozen raw on line as well. 

    Dr. Keren Becker Holistic Vet, has a book on how to prepare your own raw food including the necessary vits. and Mins. Look up Pat McKay as well.

    When I figured everything out and found it  a lot of work and for me it was much better to buy it already made. The cost from commercial to a good raw is not a lot different. If you can not afford all raw it does hyou pet good to just add maybe a little be of raw to their kibble.  Raw should always be frozen for three days before given to your pet. Take some time and research.

    If you do not feel good about giving raw a home made meal would be much better than any commerical food if prapare properly.. research again.  Mary

  • melissa

    Hi Trudie-

    Your english context is a bit off, so I am assuming you are not from the US. I personally feed Acana, from Champion in Canada right now for my dry food. I have fed many others along the way, and try to avoid companies with a history of recalls .

  • LabsRawesome

     WHAT???

  • InkedMarie

    I’m sorry but I don’t understand what you said.

  • Trudiemcwilliamsat

    I would like you guys to have this page to know what kind of food you are feeding your pets. If it is a recall or not.

  • Shawna

    I reported my issues to Disqus and it looks like the problems have been fixed.  Hope everyone else is no longer having issues as well.

    NOW, if I can just get my 2 year old granddaughter to keep her fingers off my laptop!!!  She deleted this post as I was typing… UGHHH

  • SanDnMila

    I was having trouble posting on another thread as well last weekend, that’s why I haven’t been on as much. I missed it :(

  • Conniecarr2380

    I also reported this after my dogs were having a problem going to the bathroom very dry stool the company sent me two coupons for 30 pound bags of food but now I don’t know what to do for the past month I have been feed instict rather then Prairie it seems to have fixed the problem but now I don’t know if I should try a different food what are you doing

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1641140269 Jennifer Howard Gunn

    I already reported this to the company a short time ago. They said they had heard it already. Glad to see they are doing the right thing! That stuff STANK like something awful!

  • melissa

    Shawna-

    I am not having problems posting ONCE I get it to come up. I click on the articles or the comments and for the past two or three days, it takes several tries. I get a message that says “there was a problem loading Discus. For example, it took 4 tries to load this thread-but when I clicked on another, it came up, and then it was fine..

  • InkedMarie

    I as much said the same thing, Shawna, that she may not be doing it right and kind of got ripped a new butthole from her. No biggie. I’m not into doing the research now so we’re doing Darwins. Works for my dogs!

  • Shawna

    :)  There are different ways to do raw and no one way is right — commercial, recipe/s, balance over time etc.  But there are certain MUSTS.  MUST add calcium to balance the phosphorus in the meat (some like tablets, some like eggshell and others use bone but calcium is a must).  Variety is a must too — omega 6 is in poultry while saturated fats are in red meats.  Dogs need both.  Tryptophan (an amino acid) is high in turkey but lower in other foods.  Taurine (another amino acid) is low in lamb etc.  Rabbit is a bit high in bone etc etc.  Feeding meat and bone only will cause deficiencies as the vitamins/minerals are in the organs.

    It’s not hard but it does require some research..  If the gal “just woke up one day” and started then I highly doubt she’s doing it right?

  • InkedMarie

    On a forum I frequent, one raw feeder says she did no research, just woke up one day and decided to start feeding raw. I have no idea if she’s doing it “right” or not. I’m under the impression that you have to be very careful to make sure your dogs get the correct amount of nutrients etc. Am I right or is that the wrong thinking?

  • InkedMarie

    Good post Krissy; hope your cancer is gone and the rest of this year is a good one for you!

  • InkedMarie

    wow, you have a circle? LOL, we’re just a middle class couple who is pinching pennies as of late so we can give the dogs a few months of Darwins every couple days to see how they do with it. If that makes me in your circle, so be it. If not, fine too!!

  • Shawna

    2westies ~~ I know a lot of people are upset at your post but I read it differently then I think some of them did…

    I read it to mean — for those that can afford a “coach bag” — saying raw is too expensive leaves me questioning the commitment that person might have to their pets??.. 

    I have a friend who can afford coach bags.  She paid over a grand for her purse and, if I remember right, almost $600 for her wallet.  That would feed my 8 dogs a LOT of raw food…  I too would have a puzzled “huh” look on my face if she told me dog food (raw or otherwise) was too expensive… 

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com/ Mike Sagman

    Hi Krissy,

    I’m sorry if some folks here are giving you (or anyone) the impression you’re a “terrible” pet owner just because you’re feeding kibble.

    Although I’m certain some may disagree, raw dog food doesn’t automatically make a product superior. In fact, many commercial raw dog foods are made with terrible ingredients – low quality slaughterhouse rejects, connective tissue and fatty trimmings.

    Yet other raw products can be formulated with with much considerably higher quality ingredients.

    Even homemade bone-free chicken and rice dog food can actually be dangerously deficient in certain essential minerals – like calcium – when fed daily for prolonged periods.

    To be blunt, there are many cases where I’d much rather feed Bailey and Molly a top quality kibble than some raw diets I’ve examined.

    Those referring to kibble as “poison” are certainly missing the point of this website (and others like it).

    So, please don’t get the impression all of us here agree with these judgmental posters. I’m sure your pet is lucky to have you a well-meaning and as caring friend.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Shawna, I’ve been having the same problem. I can’t edit posts or it will let me edit then when I save the edit the post disappears.

  • Haley C.

    I’m not having any issues with posting.

  • Shawna

    I’m still having issues posting and editing.  The last post took over 30 minutes to go through.  When I tried to edit it to read I was still having posting issues I got the message “Something went wrong try again later”.  Anyone else having issues?

  • Shawna

    Krissy ~~ I hope I’ve never come across as one of those that look down on non-raw feeders. That is really not my intention. I do, in my heart, feel raw is better but it certainly isn’t right for all due to many reasons….

    I COMPLETELY agree with your statement — ” I once heard someone say that a good quality canned or kibble food is better than a diet of raw or home-cooked by someone who doesn’t have a clue what they are doing and not feeding a balanced diet.” An unbalanced diet per raw feeder Dr. Becker, and I whole heartedly agree, can be far worse then a well made kibble. And I’ve seen A LOT of raw feeders get it VERY wrong…

    There may be ways that you can improve the diet, if only sometimes, while still possibly being cost constious.. Eggs are not too expensive and a egg once or twice a week is GREAT. Chicken hearts and gizzards (usually packaged together) are another good and inexpensive (at least in my area) option. Heart can be fed just like muscle meat. I also get deer heart for free from my friends that hunt and I get beef heart for free from a local butcher (any excess that is). And the only thing I had to do to get these was to just tell people I was looking..

    If, for whatever reason, adding fresh food is simply not an option —- it’s GREAT that you are able to add canned!!!!!

  • Haley C.

    I wasn’t saying 4 or 5 star kibble is bad.  I was saying there is a large range in foods to feed your pets and saying that nothing is wrong with feeding what you can afford and have time for.  I have 4 dogs, not all of them can eat the same foods or will eat the same foods.  I have a 70lb German Shepherd and cannot afford to feed him raw much less in addition to my 40lb Keeshond or my two 6lb Japanese Chins.  (for those wondering that’s nearly 3lbs of raw food a day) Compromises have to be made, that’s life.  I am sorry you got offended, but I never meant it that way.  I only meant that all animals have to eat and to not feel guilty because you cannot feed the “ideal” food whatever yours may be.

  • Jan_Mom2Cavs

    Trust me…I LOVE MY DOGS!  I also don’t cook for them or feed raw, BUT they eat way better than most dogs and probably most human kids/people!  They are treated with respect, love, get the proper vet care they need, food they need, etc.  Oh, btw, if they made a “coach” dog harness they’d have one of those, too!  You don’t know me, so don’t judge me.  My holistic vet does not preach to me…in fact, we love to discuss feeding options (he’s a kibble/raw feeder) and he feels I’m doing great with what I feed, and my dogs show it.  Believe me, my priorities are my husband and kids, then my animals.  Just ask anyone who knows me!  In fact, the Cavalier breeder who gave me my dogs gives them to me because of my priorities and knowledge.  Oh….enough ranting, sorry, but I just couldn’t let this comment go without it.

  • melissa

     Dogma-

    I understand pet peeves, as I have lots of them, lol. However, at the end of the day, what your friends choose to do with their $$ is their business. Just because you feel that raw is best, does not mean that they do. I personally feel that a high grade kibble is just fine. I personally add home cooked things, as well as dehydrated and canned because it makes ME feel good to offer them a variety of foods..but, I would never tell someone else that they need to , or that they love their dog any less because they do not dance to the same dog feeding tune that I do. Your comment  certainly did not start an argument here. It was the comment insinuating that kibble feeds somehow only “supposedly’ love their pets.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Hi Krissy,

    I couldn’t agree with you more. :)

    I have 2 (soon to be 3) large bloodhounds that are on a completely raw diet so I completely understand why it’s not possible to feed raw for most people. It’s a big time commitment and an even bigger financial commitment. I’m currently spending $500-$600 per month on the two and when the new puppy comes next month it will probably be closer to $800. You’re right about the learning commitment too – I had to read several books and research for months before I was comfortable preparing my dogs’ meals. I feel very fortunate that I’m able to do this for my dogs and I also don’t have children so I have a lot more time/money for my dogs that people with children (understandably) don’t have. No one should be made to feel guilty or be told they don’t love their animals just because they can’t drop hundreds of dollars a month on raw. People just need to do the best they can with the time and money that they have – whether that’s raw, a four or five star kibble, or a even three star kibble. I love this site because it’s a great learning tool and the star rating system gives people a means for comparing different foods and making improvements. For example my mom was feeding her dog Beneful, I told her about this site. She can’t afford to feed raw or The Honest Kitchen or five star kibbles like Orijen but she came across Whole Earth Farms which she can afford. So she went from feeding Beneful (a one star food) to feeding Whole Earth Farms kibble (four stars) topped with Whole Earth Farms canned (five stars). This is a success story in my book because her dog is now eating a much healthier food and it’s affordable for her.

  • http://www.prairie-creations.com/ Krissy

     I think there is a HUGE difference in comparing ramen noodles to a 4 or 5 star dog food.   Ramen noodles contain almost no nutrition except high fat, high salt and made with refined grains.  So yes of course a human can eat it but it’s going to cause health problems down the road.    While at least a high quality dog food is made with a good percent of actual meat for it’s protein among other ingredients that a dog actually needs.  That over the long haul isn’t going to compromise their bodies in the same way that a diet of ramen noodles would ours.   Your comparing a t-bone steak to a bale of hay. 

  • http://www.prairie-creations.com/ Krissy

    I’m offended by those that express themselves and what appears to be hinting that those of us who don’t feed raw are terrible pet owners.  Even if it’s not intentional,  that is the impression that I get from the words spoken.   Calling kibble “poison” took the cake for me.  

    I would love to feed raw, but that would cost and arm and a leg for an 85 pound dog (her ideal weight she needs to slim down some she was heavy when we got her) and a 20 lb dog and a 12 lb dog.   But my largest dog also won’t eat raw meat with a bone in it or even a turkey neck if offered.  So I use a combination of canned and kibble but I use 5 star kibble and 4 and 5 star canned.  The other thing is the cost of raw meat!    My options for raw meat are at the local small town grocery store.  I don’t live near a sams club or similar store.  Meat prices are very high where I live, so in trying to cut the grocery bill budget for my own family of 5 we are trying to eat more vegetarian meals ourselves.  You haven’t walked in everyone shoes to know what they can or can’t afford.  I’m thinking there are others out there who are in the same boat as me or at least a similar one.

    I had cancer this past year and so I have my share of costly medical bills even after insurance, I’m still not working (hope to go back soon) so we live on one income.  That makes a big difference!  Especially with three human kids in the house that have their own wants and needs as well.   But at least I’m not buying my dogs food in walmart!   I just can’t afford to feed my dogs raw where I live when it’s rare to find meat under $2.50 a pound!  Most of the time $2.99 a pound is pushing it. 

    Recalls happen even with people food, and it’s sad that people react much differently to the human food recalls opposed to the dog food recalls.  With the dog food recalls it’s almost as if they expect more from the company.  Things happen from time to time as it does in the human food industry.  But people don’t get irate and explosive behavior over that.    Granted the diamond recall is in a category of it’s own because of the nature of the company and their practices. 

    But just because we choose to use canned or kibble rather than dehydrated, freeze dried or raw doesn’t make us bad pet parents.  So it would be nice if that impression didn’t come across so strongly with some members here.  Just my humble opinion.  I read a LOT more than I post here.

    There is the rare occasion where someone can feed a better quality food, they know better but choose not to. 

    But overall, I think many posters/lurkers here are here for the same reason.  To learn more about the food options for our pets, and to feed them the best that they can afford.  And for most people using a canned or kibble simply works the best for them.  They can feed their pet these foods and know they are balanced and contain what their dog needs without spending a long time researching and learning the dietary needs of dogs then wondering if they are getting it right doing more harm than good.  Even then there are many who get it wrong feeding home-cooked or raw.   I once heard someone say that a good quality canned or kibble food is better than a diet of raw or home-cooked by someone who doesn’t have a clue what they are doing and not feeding a balanced diet.  

    Anywho that’s just my 2 cents on the subject so I just wanted to take a moment to express my own thoughts and opinions.  

  • Dogma

    InkedMarie, I think 2westies2love was only responding to my comment that the people in my circle can afford the best but   complain about the cost of dog food while spending lavishly on themselves.  It’s just my “pet peeve”.  Didn’t want to start an argument with it.

  • InkedMarie

    “Coach bag or feeding your dog the best way, you know the dog or cat you supposedly love so … much.  ”  

    What the heck! Not everyone can, or wants to, feed raw. I think if you feed the best food you can, that’s what you do. My son & his wife have two dogs, they feed Earthborn and thats the most they can spend on dog food. To insinuate they don’t love their dogs because they feed a high quality kibble is just, well, whacked. 

  • Haley C.

    Raw Food vs. Kibble can be compared like this.  We can live on Instant Noodles, but do we actually thrive? Obviously not.  It would eventually compromise our immune system.  It’s the same way with dogs and cats.  They can live off kibble, but it will eventually compromise their immune systems. The idea is with the knowledge you gain about animal nutrition but you feed what you can afford.  Dr. Becker even says this.  As a college students some nights are an Instant Noodle night (for time or for money).  But you try to do the best by you and your pets with what you can do at the time.  Just be mindful and do the best you can.

  • Dogma

    Hi Shawna,

    I jumped into the Becker diet 6 months ago after about 4 years trying various dehydrated, commercial raw and pre-made mixes.  I was looking for a diet to use cooked meat instead of raw and they had terrible digestive upsets at first with the diet so I went back to commercial raw for a few months, then back to the Becker diet using raw meat instead of cooking it and since then have had no digestive problems at all.  I admit I am uncomfortable feeding them raw meat and would prefer to feed them cooked meat but they can’t seem to handle it – and I’m talking all 3, not just 1 or 2 of them.  I don’t include poultry meat, only rotate with beef, bison and elk, and I’m starting to up the egg content a bit to use as one of the main protein rotations.  Becker’s diet was the first one that made sense and was easy to implement.  I completely understand why people find it daunting to go from opening a bag of kibble (complete & balanced no less!) to having to do meal planning for their dogs!  I can’t blame kibble feeders … the manufacturers have reeled them in and made it look like it’s the best, along with vets who strongly encourage it.  It’s a dilemma for sure.  More people are choosing organic for their families because they realize our conventional food system is broken.  We need to start questioning everything … people food AND pet food.

  • Jodi

     That works if you only have one or two small dogs, but I have several Toy dogs and 3 German Shorthair Pointers.  Your “suggestions” would be too costly for me.  This does not mean that I love them less.  I would give up my own meal to make sure they ate if it ever came to that.  I am a Senior now and my dogs are my “kids”.  I adore them! 

  • Smdavenport

    I noticed a change in kibble color and odor in the Lamb and Oatmeal formula three months ago and spoke with a Shannon at Prairie. Hmmm. wonder if this formula will be recalled as well!

  • Jmpgop

    It is about time. We’ve only been complaining about this problem for MONTHS!

  • Shawna

    PS — How long have you been doing the Becker diet?  Its truly amazing how much better dogs can be on fresh food diets.  I hear people say their dog’s coat is fabulous on this kibble or that kibble…  They have NO idea how wonderful the coat COULD be.  If I feed my dogs (once in a while because of necessity) a high quality 5 star kibble, I notice it in their coat after only one feeding.

  • Shawna

    Hi Dogma :)

    Although I WHOLE HEARTEDLY believe in the Becker diet I do not follow it..  I have one dog allergic to beef bone, one intolerant of chicken and one allergic to beef.  The one that can’t have chicken also can’t have turkey regularly or symptoms appear.  For this reason I feed mainly the exotics. 

    If you were ever on Dr. Becker’s forum (before it closed last month) you may know me.  I was swinn on the site.  I so respect Dr. Becker (and Beth).  It is rare for me to find a vet that I so completely agree with on most every topic..  She actually offered me a job..  I SOOOO wish I could have moved to Illinois :)..

    Many of the posters on here that can’t afford raw/home prepared will add fresh food to the kibble diet..  It is those that hear the message and have the funds but can’t be bothered that I have to wonder the importance their companion animals have in their lives?  Of course, not all people who don’t add fresh food to the diet fall into this category — I’m talking about the ones that agree that it could be better but can’t be bothered with it.

  • Dog Food Ninja

    I love my dog. I also, and more so, love my baby boys and my daughter. I spend most of my extra food money making sure they eat good, mostly organic foods and lots of clean meats. So I feed my dogs the best grain-free food I can afford. I do not have the time or money for raw feeding. That does not make me a bad dog parent, thank you very much!

  • melissa

     2westies-

    The dog or cat that kibble feeders “supposedly love”?? Seriously?? You are very warped if you feel that the kibble feeders here do not love and care for their pets just as much as the raw feeders do.

  • Dulciesdogbowl

    Think about home cooking for your dogs.  I do… for all three of my mexican hairless dogs.  Just make sure you do your research to be sure you add the proper vitamins they need.  My dogs are a part of the family and I love them.  I just do not trust what is really in commercial dog food.  Recalls continue…even on some of the high priced foods.  Nothing like FRESH ingredients.  Your dog will notice  and so will you.  Read Natural Health by Dr. Pitcairn.  Great book!  Take a day and cook in bulk and freeze in portion sizes.  If you have a little sized dog….the cost is not bad at all.  Of course…. the larger the dog the larger the cost. But well worth it.

    -Dulcie 

  • Propacdoug

    try family owned companies that pack their own foods-Earthborn and Fromm also Tuffy’s

  • InkedMarie

    what frozen raw do you use?

  • 2westies2love

    I think it is a matter of convenience.  Todays society has been taught this is the way to feed your dog.  We also have been preached to by vets that so much research has gone into formulating this kibble that we would not be able to prepare our own dog food as they wouldn’t get the proper nutrients they need blah blah blah.  I personaly have argued   this subject with my own vet.  Guess what that’s garbage.  It’s in your priorities.  Coach bag or feeding your dog the best way, you know the dog or cat you supposedly love so … much.  

  • Dogma

    Shawna, sounds like you are following the Becker diet?  All 3 of my dogs are finally doing well since following her recommendations.  I am continually amazed that after all these food recalls people are still defending kibble as a healthy food for their pets! I understand cost is an issue but I wonder if convenience has more to do with it?  Most of my friends and family can well afford to feed their pets real food and have the time to do it but say it’s too much of a hassle to prepare, even the dehydrated food you just add water to and voila.  They don’t hesitate to lay down $500 for a new Coach bag but they gripe about the ridiculous cost of raw food.  So their cheap convenient food has a recall, they move on to the next brand until it’s recalled, and so on and so on and so on …

  • Shawna

    LOVE goldenseal…

    My daughter sliced through the middle of her finger nail while trying to deshell a pistachio.  I smothered it with a salve primarly containing goldenseal and after several days the nail had grown back together.  That was about 17 years ago…

  • Shawna

    Fur acts as fiber..  Maybe they are including the fur of prey animals in the 14%?

  • Shawna

    I do a very similar rotation only have to keep chicken (one is intoerant) and beef (two have issues) to a minimum.  I feed duck, venison, bison, lamb, turkey, salmon regularly and toss in some beef, chicken and pork once in a while.  I include eggs and sardines a few times per week as well.

    I used to rotate in Primals quail and pheasant regularly til they started HPP.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    I was kinda wondering the same thing. I know that, due to their scavener-like nature, wolves will eat grasses, berries, etc. when it’s been a long time between kills (so basically when they’re starving) and they do consume the stomach contents of very small prey (like small rabbits and birds), but that still doesn’t seem like it’d come up to 14%…

  • Shawna

    I tried for over an hour to post my last comment…???  Any idea Mike why I might be having such a hard time?

    Nice posts DFN and HDM!!!

  • Shawna

    katie m ~~ Hi :)
     
    Protein (quality protein) does not cause kidney disease.  The research saying such was done on rats not dogs.  Research done on dogs shows that protein has no ill effect on the dogs kidneys.  In fact, lowering protein does more damage then good even in dogs that have kd.
     
    I have a dog that was born with kideny disease (symptoms noticed at 6 weeks of age).  Audrey just turned 6 the end of June and has been on a raw, high protein diet since weaning.  I rotate proteins and brands but her diet ranges from 45 to 54% protein.  She is not medicated at all (except vitamins and whole food nutraceuticals).  Never has to go to the vet, never ill etc.
     
    Animal nutritionist Lew Olsen, PhD Natural Nutrition, author, raw feeder and breeder of Rotties has some great info on her website.  (Lew’s dog Bean, also born with kidney disease, lived to age 5).
     
    “Dr Kronfeld reports that older dogs and dogs with compromised kidneys can easily process high quality proteins. He states that high quality proteins in percentages as high as 54% can actually kill bacteria in the kidneys and create an acidic condition that is healthier for these organs.”
     
    and
     
    “Similarly, Dr Bovee’s research in the mid 1970’s concluded that high protein levels were more advantageous to dogs with deteriorating kidneys. He reported that the kidney function was much better in dogs fed a diet of 54% protein than 27% protein, for up to two years in his studies.”
    http://www.b-naturals.com/newsletter/protein/
     
    Grains are not “high quality” proteins and many vets, like raw feeder Dr. Karen Becker, think grains are damaging due to the high omega 6 content.  They also have a protein in them called a lectin.  Not all dogs will have a problem with lectins in all foods but the lectins in grains (plus a few other foods) are the most damaging of the lectins.  Not only can they cause gastrointestinal damage (like IBD) but they can cause the gut to leak and can attach to organs and cause autoimmune diseases (including kidney disease).
     
    “Lectins — A Little Known Troublemaker
     
    Lectins are involved in food allergies/sensitivities, inflammation and autoimmune disease, just to name a few.  For instance, lectins are linked to celiac disease. Even weight gain and low energy can be linked to lectins.
     
    Whole grains, peanuts, kidney beans, and soybeans are high in lectins. Cow’s milk, nightshade vegetables (like potatoes and tomatoes) and some seafood also contain fairly high amounts of lectin.
     
    Because the lectins also circulate throughout the bloodstream they can bind to any tissue in the body ­— thyroid, pancreas, collagen in joints, etc.2 This binding can disrupt the function of that tissue and cause white blood cells to attack the lectin-bound tissue, destroying it. This is an autoimmune response.  The lectins in wheat for example, are specifically known to be involved in rheumatoid arthritis.”  http://naturalhealthdossier.com/2009/07/lectins-a-little-known-trouble-maker/
     
    Of course, not every dog (or human) will be affected by the lectins in grains but grains are not the innocuous food many make them out to be.  Grains also have phytates which prevent certain minerals (like zinc and calcium) from absorbing — eventually causing a deficiency if over eaten. 

  • Dog Food Ninja

    Hey hound dog mom, I find it hard to imagine how a wolf even comes up with 14% carbs in their diet? What would they possibly be eating other than the occasional grass, that would make 14% of their diet carbs? Just curious… I know you’ve done way more research on raw feeding than I have. =)

  • Hound Dog Mom

    katie m,

    Dogs do not eat the stomach content of their prey. Dogs are carnivores. The “eating the stomach contents theory” has been disproved many times included by direct observation of wolves in the wild and by wolves in captivity in rehab centers. Cats are obligate carnivores, dogs are opportunistic carnivores – there is a difference but they’re both carnivores.

    http://rawfed.com/myths/omnivores.html
    http://rawfed.com/myths/stomachcontents.html

    High protein is not going to cause a dog’s kidneys to shut down. A study done at Colorado vet school in the 90′s proved dogs with chronic kidney failure can thrive on a diet of up to 42% protein, so a dog with normal kidneys is not going to have issues with high protein. The ancestral diet is approximately 56% protein, 30% fat, and 14% carbohydrates – this is what raw feeders should strive for. My dogs are fed raw and generally eat around 50-55% protein each day and are thriving.

    Also, where did you hear dogs shouldn’t eat turkey? Dogs should eat a variety of protein sources. Different meats have difference levels of different fats and different amino acid profiles so by rotating protein sources everything is balanced out and the chances of a dog developing sensitivities to a particular protein is minimized. My dogs rotate through 7 proteins weekly: chicken, turkey, beef, lamb, buffalo, sardine, and rabbit. An even balance of poultry and red meats should be fed as they contain different types of fats.

  • Dog Food Ninja

    It is graphically and empirically wrong to say that dogs need grains. The animals that a wild dog could eat would have no grains in their intestines for several reasons. Most herbivores don’t eat grass seeds. For instance, corn makes cows ill. Most animals avoid grass seeds. They are full of lectins, which are their natural defense against being eaten by critters. Most grass seeds accidentally eaten by an herbivore would be passed through in tact to grow more grasses. And finally, it has been observed that wolves actually shake the contents of the animal’s stomach out before eating the guts. Furthermore, grains, when cooked and processed by us humans to make them usable to an animal, are high in blood sugar spiking starch, still full of joint and intestine damaging lectins, and antinutrients. No, grains are not only unnecessary in a dog’s or human’s diet, they are down right damaging to the animal’s entire system. White potatoes aren’t much better. Only slightly better, really. I have no ending for this, so I bid you a pleasant night. =)

  • Sheridan616

    Neither of my dogs can eat chicken raw or cooked.  One can’t eat beef either.  Grain free with sweet potatoes seems OK so far. I ran out of Earthborn and we had brown rice for dinner last night.  Within a minute she was having horrible breathing spasms and digging at her mouth. If we were in Alaska, I would be feeding salmon maybe trying wild game.  But we are not.  I have no freezer and no running water. I feel very fortunate that there are kibbles I can feed successfully at any price that can be delivered to us.  I gave all the Diamond food to the feral cats.  No problem.

  • kdesoto

    http://www.purepetsupply.com
    I love it.. no recalls ever..

  • Sheridan616

    These are very informative posts.  My allergic Border Collie did very well on Natural Balance fish kibble, but there was a recall on it at the same time Diamond was recalled.  I tried to feed my Karakachan Diamond lamb and rice, but he was not happy with it. Then he got itchy on Earthborn Coastal Catch. Orijen fish is so expensive and my BC couldn’t tolerate it well. She gained weight really fast.  Too rich or something. She got hot spots from Go Natural Salmon. Don’t know why. After struggling with healing them, I went back to herbs.  Goldenseal compresses healed them magically over night. Then I went to Natural Balance. So disappointed it was recalled. I think Earthborn is also well priced comparatively. Doggiefood.com and Wayfair both have free shipping to the ranch.  That’s awesome – we are so remote.

  • 2westies2love

    I am not a snob and I choose to feed raw for a variety of reasons.  Even if you do feed kibble there may someday be a recall maybe there just has not been one yet.  Even the best Kibble still has preservatives and chemicals, synthetic vitamins and minerals.  It can also wear the teeth.  I have westies, with this breed allergies are common.  After battling allergies with even the “best” such as thk, Fromms, I resorted to doing research and preparing their food myself.  I know exactly what goes into it and we have no more issues.  I personally do not believe dogs need grains and for us grains are an issue with their allergies.  Mine have a well balanced meal every day.  Raw is not for everyone or everydog.  It’s an individuals choice.  I do my best to eat healthy and try to feed my dogs the best I can and make the best choices for them.

  • LabsRawesome

     Yorkmom, Merrick makes very good food. My dogs love it. I would definitely recommend it.   http://products.merrickpetcare.com/product/consumerproduct.jsp?id=10&description=Adult/Dog/Classic-RealBeefWholeBarley+CarrotRecipe

  • katie m

    sorry, system was slow and I overtyped something….it should say cats are carnivors and dogs are omnivors.

    also, to clarify, we cannot feed foods with the highest level of protein because, combined with the fresh/raw chicken, the protein content is too high and can be hard on the kidneys.  for example, we wouldn’t feed a 42% protein in combination with raw chicken.

    we have fed different chicken, but found legs to work best for us.  we take the skin off for dogs that tend to gain weight and leave it on for those who need more fat.

    we also buy rotissere chicken for ourselves and use the white meat for most of their treats.

    also periodically add vegetables (love to have frozen ones in the summer heat), or babyfood. 

    hope this is helpful to those who worry about raw foods. 

  • katie m

    I have also done research and do not buy into the grain free approach.  Animals do eat some grain – the partially digested grain in the bellies of the animals they eat. 

    I did research for over two years and finally picked what both we can handle time-wise in our home and still give good nutrition.  Once doing a lot of rescue, we couldn’t afford the “best” types.  We feed Natural Balance Chicken mixed with another high-end kibble that we rotate.  My favorite is Acana fish.  Also suppliment with salmon oil (the really fresh stuff).  We can’t feed the highest end of protein because their main meat source is current raw chicken. 

    We have been feeding raw chicken for about 11 years and have never had a problem.  no, they do not get salmonella and is not likely a dog would due to the way their system is designed.  No, they have never had an issue with bones as long as they are raw. 

    In the past we tried several raw meat sources, including low fat beef, but beef is harder to digest for dogs.   Turkey should not be fed as the main or first protein source so that rules out a lot of the newer foods, and we don’t want to feed grain free.  Cats are omnivors; dogs are omnivors.

    I wish their was one main perfect food but I don’t think there is.  The best we can do is feed something reasonable and stay on top of changes in the companies and how/where they make the food.  I have had good success with the Natural Balance for my fosters.  It seems to work the best for the majority of fosters.

    Not sure why someone said there is no such thing as allergies in dogs, as there surely IS.

    We also like to get the canned Evangers salmon and mix that in sometimes.

    Oh, but if you DO decide to feed raw chicken, you should make sure to wash your hands as humans obviously can get salmomella.  I never have, but I also touch then immediately wash my hands with antibacterial soap before I touch anything else at all. 

    hope this is helpful….

  • Yorkmom

     Labs, what do think about Merricks Classic Beef and Barely, thinking about trying that, from this beef and barely food…. 

  • RamblewoodR

     I use the raw frozen too. My dogs have been eating it for years now and never sick. I add fresh veggies and occasionally the dry kibble without grains. The grains are the problem with dog food. Dogs are not meant to eat grains!!!!!!!

  • LabsRawesome

     RamblewoodR, Nature’s Variety is NOT made by Diamond. It is manufactured by PIED PIPER.

  • RamblewoodR

     If you feed the one with grains in it…then there is the problem of grains haveing GMO’s in them…so who knows what is in there. I feed the NV dry that has NO grain and never had a problem.

  • RamblewoodR

     Don’t buy any food made in SC…I live there and I wouldn’t for sure.

  • RamblewoodR

     Yes, lots of recalls…check them out. Do not feed Diamond…really.

  • Dogma

    Yes, no mistaking the smell – similar to anything purchased from McDonald’s.

  • RamblewoodR

     Hmmmm…check the recalls for salmonella..there are many on Diamond…

  • RamblewoodR

     Diamond is not good food. Several recalls now. Be careful. I live in SC and would not feed anything made in SC…human or pet!

  • Beware of Dog Food

    They do, however, can in China. So it’s really only a matter of time….

  • RamblewoodR

     Diamond still has problems…there are recalls out there now for it…never feed this stuff.

  • Beware of Dog Food

    Diamond is responsible for the vast majority of dog food recalls. Remember the melamine fiasco several years ago? Diamond.

  • melissa

    Lil-

    If you get a bag with the odor, you can not miss it. It smells like different things to different people, but defintetly had a chemical odor to me. It was discussed by several of us as long ago as March.

  • Horsingaround

    If you want to feed a safe dry food try Fromm, Orijen, Acana or Honest Kitchen.  They are the only brands being recommended by several highly qualified professionals.  Good luck.

  • Horsingaround

    If you stick with Orijen, Acana, Fromm or Honest Kitchen you won’t have to worry or keep switching. 

  • Lauren E

    Some people just like to feed their dogs what they are designed to eat. Raw meat, organs, and bone. Unless you believe that wolves and wild dogs have BBQs in the wild, kibble is unnatural. I’ve yet to see an assembly line of kibble being produced in the forest. Kibble is not dog food, it’s poison. It was created less than 100 years ago as a convenience  item. I’ll take the food that dogs have been eating for centuries before man intervened and my dogs will be better for it. 

  • LabsRawesome

     I haven’t noticed any raw feeders acting snotty or annoying. Maybe it’s just you? Btw I feed kibble, canned, and fresh foods.  :)

  • Lil

    “an off-odor smell”? WTF is THAT? I can’t stand it when they try to make something seem like it’s nothing.
    And for you raw food feeders – you are as snotty and annoying as vegans. Feel free to keep your superiority to yourselves. Some of us are just lowlifes who have to feed our dogs dog food.

  • GoJackGo

    Orijen also makes Acana, which is slightly lower in protein, and I feed both.  I rotate a variety of brand and protein sources in my 5 dogs.  I have used NV and haven’t had a problem.  Also use Merricks, regular and BG, and Great Life Grain Free.  Used to include EVO, not so much since it changed hands.  I stay away from Diamond (so that eliminates Taste of the Wild, too). Blue Buffalo had a recall about two years ago–my breeder used to feed it, I never have.  I try to consider WHY the recall happened and WHAT the problem was.  Diamond had SERIOUS problems MORE than once.  My dogs will never knowingly be fed anything from that company.   

  • Mustang826

    My dog ate this for about a year , but the last time I went to buy it online I read the comments about a chemical smell and went with Fromm Gold instead. I heard about the Acana Duck and Pear and wanted to try it so that is what I bought last time. Both of these companies (Fromm and Orijen/Acana) are the only companies I will buy from. I don’t trust any of the others. Although , I have been reading good things about Earthborn.

  • Davj

    That is being responsible we as pet owners appreciate that thanks
    Dav jackson

  • Matrix123

    on raw there is no such thing as allergies….

  • Matrix123

    I have fed raw for several years now, 7 adult dogs and raised 2 litters, I never have to worry about dog food recall.  I know and see what goes into my dogs.  Kibble is kibble…

  • Matrix123

    I have fed raw for several years now, 7 adult dogs and raised 2 litters, I never have to worry about dog food recall.  I know and see what goes into my dogs.

  • Sheridan616

    My very allergic Border Collie does very well on Earthborn fish. Pinnacle fish is factory farmed trout. My allergic Karakachan dog is going onto Wellness Simple today.  Still ichy with the Earthborn. No beef, chicken or grain around here.  Costs as much to feed 2 dogs as 4 horses. I’m still feeding Diamond cat food with no trouble. Gone broke.

  • Tony

     Spot on. Both are really nice foods from very reputable, smaller companies. And the Earthborn is available at a reasonable price

  • Canadian

    Orijen is amazing if you are looking for an awesome Grain Free kibble. If you are looking for a good kibble with little grains, I would suggest Holistic Select or Fromm Gold

  • LabsRawesome

     Lucy, Nature’s Variety is manufactured by Pied Piper, NOT Diamond.

  • Blitz

    Diamond is Excellent, it delivers and very good price. I have working dogs and it keeps them looking good and keeps the weight.

  • Guest

    Try small family owned USA comapnies such as Fromm or Earthborn

  • Tikkachu

    Nature’s Logic Beef is a really good food and made with no sythetic vitamin/mineral pre-mix. If that is what is causing the smell with all the synthetic preservatives or things added to it then maybe this would be a decent choice for some people. I love Fromm as well. :)

  • Kddane

    “Avoid all Diamond foods, expect recalls with Diamond”

    Huh?

  • Ljordankp

    I feed my doggies Wellness CORE.  They love it and do great.  Wellness was involved in that South Carolina plant but it was only one formula of theirs and they have since pulled it from that factory.   So they have nothing to do with them now.

  • Parkbeam

     Our vet had us switch out of the Blue B…..our dog loved it, but there was concern with too much added minerals with the loaded chunks

  • Frank Texaslaw

    Go with Blue Diamond.  Superior.  I assure you

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Darren-Jones/100000868119434 Darren Jones

    And since when is ellen degeneres the new dog food expert! Just how gullible are you?

  • Lucy

    Avoid all Diamond foods, expect recalls with Diamond

  • Pforsman

    Most, if not all of the foods you mention are made or packaged by or in Diamond food plants.  I refuse to feed anything Diamond has anything to do with.  My Goldens eat Fromm’s and there has never been a recall of any kind.

  • Macmck007

    I agree, most likely their antioxidant system failed.  Also in the petfood industry for 35 years.  While this does not represent a serious health hazard, dogs won’t eat it and the rancid fat really smells funky.  Most dry foods are stabilized to remain fresh for up to 16 months.   

  • Lucy

    Evo is now owned by Proctor & Gamble.  That alone is reason to be concerned about this product.  P&G cares about the bottom line first and foremost

  • Mike P

    We tried NV a few months back and the kibble just didn’t look or smell right.Jubilee puked after only a few meals.I returned it.

  • Rdrunner

    Evo makes a great beef kibble and there are two different size chunks. I have small dogs so small bites are important.

  • Jan_Mom2Cavs

    Labs….I was one of the posters that commented about a “chemical smell” coming from a bag of the Beef that I had bought.  This was some months ago, as I no longer feed NV, but the smell was just weird.  I am feeding Fromm now (and will rotate with Pinnacle).

  • 19manchu

    I tried a bag of the Natures Variety Beef n Barley about a month ago.  The first meal I feed it to my 90 lb. collie he puked it up within a half hour and wouldn’t go near the bag after that!  It did smell strong, I just thought it was the barley.  Oh well, at least it wasn’t tainted with salmonella!  I switched back to the chicken which he loves. He likes and does well with the Blue Buffalo Wilderness variety, and Wellness Core.

    P.S. Thanks for the alert!

  • Joconn

    Thank you I appreciate this information.

  • monkey

    My dog does really well on Fromm’s Beef. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/bea.grayson Bea Grayson

     We (my 14  yr old Lhasa apso) switched to HALO a couple of years ago.He does very,very well on the salmon or chicken. I buy salmon kibble and use either salmon or chicken wet to mix. Never had a problem and he begs for more. First time he has had normal BMs . Hard to find but PETCO carries it and so does WHOLEFOOD.  iT IS A USA product

  • Kshep167

    Every time I switch dog foods, they are recalled.  Diamond Naturals, to Solid Gold, Solid Gold to Nature’s Variety.  This is getting OLD!

  • Janice Dezern

    Thanks for the alert, I have at times used some of the Nature’s Variety kibbles but mainly use the raw frozen…..

  • Kyeager53

    Try a high quality food..Blue Buffalo, or https://www.facebook.com/earthborn.holistic..or the like

  • BritannyLover

    Fromm Foods based out of Wisconsin makes great food. Great plant as well. I work in the industry and their food is an excellent choice. Another good company is Orijen out of Canada. They make another great line of foods, but becuase of the high protien content can cause gas issues if your dog is not EXTEMELY active. Better for the working/sporting breeds that are on the go all the time.

  • Yorkmom

     I can get just about any brand, just something simalair to this, with some grain in it, I have used solid golds mmillinea beef and barley before,but they changed the ingredients, and it was not working well with my five little one”s, two are allergic to chicken and the do not do good with fish meal

  • Rosemarie

    I just switched to HALO dog food…via Ellen DeGeneres..the ingredients are terrific..a bit expensive but the way things are with recalls i am not taking any chances with my Maggie <3 

  • LabsRawesome

     Yorkmom, Fromm makes a Beef Fritata my dogs really like. But I rotate foods/manufactures all the time. There’s lots of good foods. Did you have a specific brand that you’re able to get easily? Are you looking for grain free, or grain inclusive?

  • shpco

    The oils in the food could be rancid.  

  • LabsRawesome

    I remember several people posting about a strong chemical smell coming from their bag of NV, I don’t remember which formula though. That started around a year ago. Yeah my dogs LOVE to eat, so if they ever refused a meal, I would think there must be something terribly wrong with the food. lol

  • Yorkmom

    I have been feeding this since September of last year, also had a problem in the fall and then again in April, but not currently, any one have a suggestion on another beef kibble, I’m done with them, get the same song and dance every time I call them! 

  • PomMom

    this is the SECOND time in less then a year, their beef variety has had this horrible rancid smell.  The first time, around Aug/Sept 2011, they refused to do any type of recall or notice.  When I called to complain, was told it was coming from the bag, the product was fine…. yea right!  When my dogs refuse to eat whats put in front of them I KNOW there is a problem…..

  • Effcla

    I got one of those “off smelling” bags of food way back around March. It smelled like chemicals. My dog refused to eat it. No more NV for my pups.

  • Marie

    How strange. Perhaps someone didn’t put in enough preservative.