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to clarify, i said this….” the unnecessary protein in the feed these days????? if anything it’s more HARMful, “….. i didn’t say it was more harmful [to the kidneys], HDM. nor did i mention any thing about renal failure. and as with all things, everyone has an opinion on the subject, based on one study or another, or, whose POV they find most convincing.
case in point: (in fact) 2 of the 5 footnotes on this very subject, in this site, are from the 1990’s, another is 7 years old. outdated to some, perhaps, but convincing to others… belief is a matter of choice

my source came from the 2010 edition of the Merek Vet Manual. http://www.merckmanuals.com/vet/management_and_nutrition/nutrition_small_animals/nutritional_requirements_and_related_diseases_of_small_animals.html#v3328611

but thank you for your opinion.
imo, if something in a dog’s body is not being utilized and due to the extra amount given, is causing something else in the dog’s body to overwork, to compensate for that, why even give it in the first place?

and best wishes to the op’s dog. hoping things have improved since july

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non-working dogs typically only need about 20% protein in their feed. pups, a lil more (high 20’s), just like mother’s feeding pups and performance dogs mid 20’s.
so much feed now is crammed with high percentages of protein. i very recently saw a commercial with Purina now ( i think) with a new feed at 30% protein. unless your dog is a sled dog whose needs require this, why all the unnecessary protein in the feed these days????? if anything it’s more HARMful, as the extra protein cannot be utilized by the dog and is then excreted through their kidneys, along with a host of other issues, depending on what the protein source is. also, higher protein typically means more calories. it’s no wonder so many dogs today are ill, over weight or both. BB did have a recall as i remember, over the summer, but hopefully that issue has been corrected.
sometimes more isn’t always best. feed is a funny thing with dogs: what works well for one may wreak havoc on another.
wishing you all the best, and if your dog is just a pet who likes to sit by your side for the majority of the day, no need for all the protein these “food companies” (MANY of which animal feed is only ONE of their venues, which makes me question how much *your animals’ well being they actually have at heart) are manufacturing.
sometimes less IS more!

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yeah, flagyl usually works like a charm!
transitioning feed should be a slow process, typically from 7-10 to help prevent stomach upset. *white meat should be used with the rice. avoid the dark, as it’s higher in fat and beef should be your last choice unless it’s REALLY lean. same deal with turkey: white meat and stay away from the skin=can cause pancreatitis~another issue….
poop eating (coprophagia) has many different theories. from a nutritional deficiency to just being *really, really hungry. perhaps with the new feed, your dog will do well, get any nutrients he/she may be lacking and feel satisfied upon finishing his food. out of 7 i have one who will eat the other’s stool if i would let her, but being diligent about clean up and watching where she goes when out walking helps to ward off that unwanted behavior.
best wishes.

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^ same here. when it comes to chemicals and my dogs, less is more. years ago i was diligent about using a monthly preventative until one of my dogs tested positive for lyme. the vet i worked for said parasites can build up a resistance to the active ingredients in most products and that changing products, thereby the active ingredient, will help to prevent this. i, however chose to discontinue them all and went with a spray for fleas: ACV=1 cup to 1 qt of h2o, mixed together in a spray bottle, then sprayed onto each dog. for ticks, since mine are all short haired i just check them and remove any i see. if your dogs are outside dogs add some DE to the dirt. fleas despise it. it’s been 6 years now with no chemical products and ALL my dogs are still parasite free.

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if the dish is in the sun, that may add to the growth. try putting the bowl in the shade (stainless steel should work fine) and add a few drops of either apple cider vinegar or a few *drops of bleach in it. sure cure the problem.

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sorry about the trouble you had, but it’s as you say, every dog is different and what works for one, often times may not work for another. there’s always that argument: the debate on garlic…. thing is, garlic, in and of itself has only a small amount of thiosulphate in it, therefore a dog would have to consume a LOT of garlic to cause such an adverse affect: anemia, damage to their liver, etc. no doubt checking CRT is essential if you’re at all concerned. (color should return to gums in 2-3 seconds when you push on them).
as with ALL things in life moderation is key. ANY thing given in excessive amounts can cause harm/damage. i’ve read dogs at 50 lbs can *safely be given 2 cloves a day so, go figure…..
all’s i can say is, as stated, if you notice a reaction, simple: stop giving it. but it’s been given for many many years, safely, so, your call….

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you can open a can and leave it in your fridge for several days, (up to a week even) before it goes into a freezer. breaking it up into individual servings will make things easier (just thaw out a portion) and longevity of the food will happen if it goes into a freezer bag as well.

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if you feed twice a day and her behavior doesn’t occur after her 1st feed, then i doubt it’s the food . since it’s only from 5-8, is there something specific that occurs during that time? i.e., a UPS truck, a certain loud car that goes down your house/street at that time, a particular dog that walks by at that time?, ….???…
if you think it’s due to a (or someone’s) routine, how about trying a natural relaxer like Rescue Remedy? works well with dogs that suffer anxiety problems

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it *might be the food, but since you feed the 2 dogs different food, it’s unlikely they’d have the same rash.
have you had either checked for mites? a skin scraping will tell, especially since, as you termed it, the older ones’ is “more severe”. might warrant a visit to your vet before it gets too serious, hence, more costly.

see if this vid will help you decipher the type of rash:
http://pets.webmd.com/dogs/ss/slideshow-skin-problems-in-dogs

been into the ‘breed’ (APBT) for over a decade and still own a few

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