Taste of the Wild (Dry)


Rating: ★★★★½

Taste of the Wild Dog Food receives the Advisor’s second-highest tier rating of 4.5 stars.

The Taste of the Wild product line includes seven dry dog foods, three claimed to meet AAFCO nutrient profiles for adult maintenance and four for growth (Puppy).

The following is a list of recipes available at the time of this review.

  • Taste of the Wild Southwest Canyon
  • Taste of the Wild Sierra Mountain (3.5 stars)
  • Taste of the Wild Wetlands Formula (5 stars)
  • Taste of the Wild High Prairie Formula (5 stars)
  • Taste of the Wild Pacific Stream Formula (4 stars)
  • Taste of the Wild High Prairie Puppy Formula (4 stars)
  • Taste of the Wild Pacific Stream Puppy Formula (4 stars)

Taste of the Wild High Prairie Puppy Formula was selected to represent the other products in the line for this review.

Taste of the Wild High Prairie Puppy

Dry Dog Food

Estimated Dry Matter Nutrient Content

Protein = 31% | Fat = 19% | Carbs = 42%

Ingredients: Bison, lamb meal, sweet potatoes, egg product, pea protein, peas, potatoes, canola oil, tomato pomace, roasted venison, roasted bison, flaxseed, potato fiber, natural flavor, ocean fish meal, salmon oil (a source of DHA), salt, choline chloride, dried chicory root, Yucca schidigera extract, tomatoes, blueberries, raspberries, dried Enterococcus faecium fermentation product, dried Lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation product, dried Lactobacillus casei fermentation product, dried Lactobacillus plantarum fermentation product, dried Trichoderma longibrachiatum fermentation extract, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate (vitamin B1), manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, niacin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin (vitamin B2), vitamin D supplement, folic acid

Fiber (estimated dry matter content) = 5.6%

Red items when present indicate controversial ingredients

Estimated Nutrient Content
Guaranteed Analysis28%17%NA
Dry Matter Basis31%19%42%
Calorie Weighted Basis26%39%35%

The first ingredient in this dog food is bison. Although it is a quality item, raw bison contains about 80% water. After cooking, most of that moisture is lost, reducing the meat content to just a fraction of its original weight.

After processing, this item would probably account for a smaller part of the total content of the finished product.

The second ingredient includes lamb meal. Lamb meal is considered a meat concentrate and contains nearly 300% more protein than fresh lamb.

The third ingredient includes sweet potato. Sweet potatoes are a gluten-free source of complex carbohydrates in a dog food. They are naturally rich in dietary fiber and beta carotene.

The fourth ingredient is egg product, an unspecified (wet or dry?) form of shell-free eggs. Quality can vary significantly. Lower grade egg product can even come from commercial hatcheries — from eggs that have failed to hatch.

In any case, eggs are easy to digest and have an exceptionally high biological value.

The fifth ingredient is pea protein, what remains of a pea after removing the starchy part of the vegetable.

Even though it contains over 80% protein, this ingredient would be expected to have a lower biological value than meat.

And less costly plant-based products like this can notably boost the total protein reported on the label — a factor that must be considered when judging the meat content of this dog food.

The sixth ingredient includes peas. Peas are a quality source of carbohydrates. And like all legumes, they’re rich in natural fiber.

However, peas contain about 25% protein, a factor that must be considered when judging the meat content of this dog food.

The seventh ingredient is potato. Potatoes can be considered a gluten-free source of digestible carbohydrates. Yet with the exception of perhaps their caloric content, potatoes are of only modest nutritional value to a dog.

The eighth ingredient is canola oil. Many applaud canola for its favorable omega-3 content while some condemn it as an unhealthy fat.

Much of the objection regarding canola oil appears to be related to the use of genetically modified rapeseed as its source material.

Yet others find the negative stories about canola oil more the stuff of urban legend than actual science.1

In any case, plant-based oils like canola are less biologically available to a dog than fish oil as a source of quality omega-3 fats.

The ninth ingredient includes tomato pomace. Tomato pomace is a controversial ingredient, a by-product remaining after processing tomatoes into juice, soup and ketchup.

Many praise tomato pomace for its high fiber and nutrient content, while others scorn it as an inexpensive pet food filler.

Just the same, there’s probably not enough tomato pomace here to make much of a difference.

From here, the list goes on to include a number of other items.

But to be realistic, ingredients located this far down the list (other than nutritional supplements) are not likely to affect the overall rating of this product.

With three notable exceptions

First, salmon oil is naturally rich in the prized EPA and DHA type of omega-3 fatty acids. These two high quality fats boast the highest bio-availability to dogs and humans.

Depending on its level of freshness and purity, salmon oil should be considered a commendable addition.

Next, chicory root is rich in inulin, a starch-like compound made up of repeating units of carbohydrates and found in certain roots and tubers.

Not only is inulin a natural source of soluble dietary fiber, it’s also a prebiotic used to promote the growth of healthy bacteria in a dog’s digestive tract.

And lastly, this food contains chelated minerals, minerals that have been chemically attached to protein. This makes them easier to absorb. Chelated minerals are usually found in better dog foods.

Taste of the Wild Dog Food
The Bottom Line

Judging by its ingredients alone, Taste of the Wild Dog Food looks like an above average dry product.

But ingredient quality by itself cannot tell the whole story. We still need to estimate the product’s meat content before determining a final rating.

The dashboard displays a dry matter protein reading of 31%, a fat level of 19% and estimated carbohydrates of about 42%.

As a group, the brand features an average protein content of 31% and a mean fat level of 18%. Together, these figures suggest a carbohydrate content of 43% for the overall product line.

And a fat-to-protein ratio of about 57%.

Above-average protein. Above-average fat. And below-average carbs when compared to a typical dry dog food.

When you consider the protein-boosting effect of the pea protein, peas and flaxseed in this recipe as well as the potato protein and garbanzo beans contained in other recipes, this looks like the profile of a kibble containing a moderate amount of meat.

Bottom line?

Taste of the Wild Dog Food is a plant-based kibble using a moderate amount of named meats, meat meals and fish as its main sources of animal protein, thus earning the brand 4.5 stars.

Highly recommended.

Please note certain recipes are sometimes given a higher or lower rating based upon our estimate of their total meat content.

Those looking for a quality grain-free wet food may wish to visit our review of Taste of the Wild canned dog food.

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Notes and Updates

10/17/2013 Last Update

  1. Mikkelson, B and DP, Oil of Ole, Urban Legends Reference Pages (2005)
  • Lindsayface47

    Damn. I was hoping to try my boys on this (currently on WEF grain-free, previously on Fromm Gold), since my American bulldog has a weak stkmach, and we’re trying to build it up with lots of different foods. I guess we’ll just switch to a different Fromm formula, instead of risking a Diamond product. Too bad, I’ve heard only good things about TOTW, and I expect they would have loved the bison formula. Maybe I’ll buy a small bag and use it as treats. That way he builds the appropriate enzymes without too much of the risk that comes with feeding Diamond foods.

  • Melissaandcrew

    Hi Linda. What is your training/degree for “pet nutritionist?” I am asking only because it seems like a term self appointed by some. Not saying you but others on the past.

  • Linda

    You are most welcome. What the article points out and I agree with is that grain free is not a “one-size” fits all diet. Many pets cannot tolerate the starches that are predisposed for yeast. Also they cannot tolerate higher protein and fat. I have had many customers quit grain-free because of weight gain, yeast & itching.

  • Thomas

    Thank you for your honesty. It’s like the egg battle: they’re good for you, now they’re not.

  • Linda

    Yes, I am a pet nutritionist and own my own shop.

  • Thomas

    Well, “Linda,” since you’re most assuredly a real person with no connection to that blogger, I’ll say this: I have no plans to join a new trend, because I just got on board with the current GF one.

  • LabsRawesome

    I feed Victor Grain Free Ultra Pro. 42% protein 22% fat and less than 17% total carbs. I pay just under $40 for 30lbs. http://www.midamericapetfood.com/victordogfood/pdf/Brochure-GF-Ultra%20Pro.pdf

  • Linda

    Also, the problem with grain free diets is that they are full of starches, which can cause yeast issues, etc. Please look at Dogs Naturally http://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/grain-free-dog-foods-solving-yeast-and-skin-issues/

  • Thomas

    I have an update that I’ll post at the top so that you all can avoid the bickering underneath. It’s lengthy and disturbing. These are dogs, people, and we’re discussing dog food. Anyway, I have been using TOTW for a while with good results, but recently have been having problems with loose stools. Bought some Victor, which he loves, and stools are hardening up. Same basic nutrients, but different formula completely. Still five stars, though. I’ll let you know. I know people come here to find good “dog food.” Look at feed stores. It’s cheaper.

  • Renee Herbers

    We had an issue with TOW Pacific Stream flavor this week. Purchased a new bag, fed it to our golden retriever, Cooper. He refused to eat it. We have fed it to him the past 2 years, ever since we got Cooper. Our breeder feeds it also. When we opened the new bag, we noticed it smelled different, & the kibbles are different shaped, Thought there was something wrong with our Cooper, but we had samples of other brands of food & he woofed it right down. I contacted TOW…& yes, they did change the probiotic formula & the texture of the kibbles, They have been getting other calls about it. They asked for the UPC/batch code on the back of the bag & our bag matched all the other complaint calls. They are going to reimburse us in full. We did purchase a small bag of TOW Bison/Venison, & Cooper woofs it right down. A friend of mine had a similar situation happen this week….same brand, flavor & purchased at same chain of store. Her golden was very sick w/vomiting & diarrhea, but he also has a very sensitive tummy. He is fine now, but am concerned about this change in the formula. TOW is aware of the problem & vowed they are changing the formula back to the way it was in this particular flavor.

  • GuardMe

    Thank you so much!

  • Dori

    Please see my response to Melanie below as well as other posters on the subject of who owns and manufactures TOTW.

  • Melanie

    Thanks. That totally clears it up. That’s why I rely on people like you on this site because you seem to know a lot about this stuff. As soon as I find a food that he likes as much as this one I will drop it from my rotation. I hear Earthborn Holistics is similar without the recalls. Have yet to try it.

  • Dori

    TOTW is grouped together in your local feed store with Diamond products because it is a Diamond product. Not only processed at their plant, it is owned and manufactured by Diamond food company which is owned by Schell & Kempeter. I don’t understand what is so confusing about this. The only person confused is the person that gave you the erroneous information. : )

  • Dori

    According to Bloomberg Business week dated today, September 1, 2014 Schell and Kempeter, Inc. continues to own and do business in the pet food industry under the name DIAMOND.!!!!!!!!! Taste of the Wild is owned and manufactured by Diamond in their Diamond plants. The Diamone Dog Food Company is owned by Schell and Kempeter, Inc. I hope this clears this up once and for all.: )

  • Bobby dog

    There’s an easy way to clear up this issue. Contact Diamond, they will be able to clarify what their brands are. You will also find all of Diamond’s house brand foods listed on other pages of their website for further clarification:


  • 4FootedFoodie

    TOTW is actually a Diamond house brand. It’s not just manufactured by Diamond.


  • Melanie

    From what I understand Diamond does not own TOTW but they do use a diamond facility in SC to manufacture their food. That’s the one with all the problems. They use other facilities as well that aren’t diamond related I think. Too confusing. It is a little strange though that when I go into my feed store the TOTW is grouped with all the diamond products including Natural Balance. My dog does love this food though so I keep it in my rotation. Just tried the wild boar formula which I think is more beef based. He loves it even with it’s lower protein content.

  • Storm’s Mom

    Well, 4 and 5 star foods start at around that price and go up, but 3 star and lower foods are less expensive (except Iams, etc). I probably should’ve clarified that.

  • Dori

    Yikes! Never realized that dog food was so expensive in Canada. That must be really difficult especially if one has multiple dogs. : (

  • Dori

    Have you looked at Nature’s Logic? It’s grain and white potato free. A lot of people recommend it. Also it’s a 5 star reviewed food. Good luck.

  • USA Dog Treats

    This is DIAMOND’s own website. It lists Taste Of The Wild as one of the foods made by DIAMOND.


  • Bobby dog

    Hi GuardMe:
    On the left hand side of the screen, under the search box, you can sign up for recall alerts.

    Bobby had yeasty skin along with other issues when I first came here last year. Changing his diet was 90% of the battle. I finally rid him of it and flea dermatitis in March. I am happy to report no smelly dog, itchy skin, or fleas this year! I do use Sentinel HW med (it contains Lufenuron), but I have not had to use any topicals, essential oils, or give weekly baths.

    This is a great place to start researching dog food. Remember the best food is what works for your dog, not necessarily the star rating or what you paid for it! Here is part of my pet food criteria this week; as I continue to research food my criteria and theories change. lol I favor basic recipes. If there is a digestive problem trying to figure out the cause might be difficult when a recipe has an overabundance of ingredients. I prefer to add any extras or supplements if necessary. I look at any kibble in the 3 to 5 star range on DFA. Then I narrow it down further by manufacturer and ingredients. I feed a rotational diet and since my dog has no health issues I feed grain inclusive and grain free. I change the kibble brand, animal protein, and carb source monthly; toppers every day or two. At this time calories and protein percentages, whether they are high or low, don’t concern me. Kibble makes up a little over half of his diet. To make his meals more healthy and species appropriate I top them with either commercial frozen/dehydrated/freeze dried raw, canned, or lightly cooked meats.

    My list is short for foods that fall into your criteria; these may or may not be DFA 5 star rated, but I believe they are all potato and GF. Here’s what my dog liked and did well on: Avoderm Trout, Precise GF, and Nutrisource GF. For canned Pure Balance 95%, Wellness 95%, and Weruva Human Style (I forget which recipes).

    I am sure you will get other great suggestions, so don’t worry about your OCD too much. Come back if you need anymore suggestions and good luck!

  • Storm’s Mom

    haha, that’s pretty cheap here in Canada! :-O

  • LabsRawesome

    Good food, but super expensive!!

  • 4FootedFoodie

    Oh yeah, I think Back to Basics is great. Their original formulas are white potato free, but the new “grain free” formulas contain potato. I don’t know why they introduced the new formulas as “grain free” when the original formulas already were. Last I knew, B2B was made by Ainsworth, a reputable manufacturer. It looks like Chewy.com has the duck in stock currently in a couple of sizes.

  • GuardMe

    Yup. I’ve been comparing ALL NIGHT LONG, lol!

  • GuardMe

    Lol! Thanks, Bobby. Yeah, I have OCD, lol. I’ve had her for nine months and have been searching for the best food since I got her. My previous dogs were on TOTW so I automatically put her on that. Then, I read of the recalls from Diamond – I had been without a dog for three years and the recalls were during that time. I want a five-star rated grain-free food. I’m also looking at potato-free because of the yeast issues I had with my last two beagles. I also don’t want a lot of vegetable protein added to it in place of meat. I think I’m going to try Back to Basics. They’re discontinuing their duck line, though, so I’m going to try to scoop some of that up while it’s still available. I’d like to use Orijen since it’s potato free but that’s simply out of my budget. I’m still searching and my OCD is getting out of control. ;-) I’m open to any suggestions!

  • LabsRawesome

    Hi GuardMe, I have great luck with Victor. I use the grain free varieties. It’s grain and white potato free. I pay $40 for 30lbs. Check their store locator here. victordogfood.com

  • Bobby dog
  • GuardMe

    Yes, I’m struggling with that, as well. Wish someone would just make up my mind for me, lol. I’d love a five-star, grain-free, white potato-free food. Researching the forums now.

  • 4FootedFoodie

    It’s my understanding that TOTW continues to be a Diamond house brand, which makes it a deal-breaker for me.

  • GuardMe

    I am having a discussion on facebook regarding who owns TOTW. I have always known it to be manufactured by Diamond who is owned by Schell and Kampeter, Inc. A dog food retailer is telling me that as of April 2014, “Mars bought Nutura. Natura wAs owned by P&G. Natura owned TOTW, Innova, Evo,Calif Naturals and Healthwise.” I told her I didn’t think TOTW belonged in that group. She goes on to say “Diamond never owned TOTW. They manufactured it for Natura. P&G owned Natura until they sold it to Mars in April of 2014. Mars is an owner AND a manufacturer.” She also tells me that Mars is the worst of the worst (I agree) but that TOTW is a great food. I’m very confused. Does Mars own and manufacture TOTW now? If so, that’s a deal breaker for me.

  • theBCnut

    When you add the protein and fat percentages together on this example, 31% + 19%, you get 50%, however some of that fat is from canola oil and some of that protein is from pea protein. That makes this food more than 50% plant matter, which makes it plant based. It still has more meat in it than a huge number of other foods, so I wouldn’t let that bother me, especially if you are adding good meat based toppers.

  • theBCnut

    They seem perfectly capable of cleaning up their act in the short term. The recalls are never very close together. They just can’t seem to keep it up and eventually go back to their old ways.

  • GuardMe

    Did anyone notice that they changed the High Prairie formula to include a little bit of beef? It was announced on their Facebook page. Thoughts? I’m thinking this is a cheaper source of protein so what has been taken away?

  • LabsRawesome

    Hi Brian, it depends what state you live in. Diamond has 3 plants. The Gaston South Carolina plant is the one with all the recalls. The other 2 plants aren’t affected by recalls. Here’s a link to an article from this site. http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-recall/diamond-dog-food-recall-expands-again/ It gives a list of about 15 states in the U. S. that are supplied by the S.C. plant, that has all the recalls, and yes Taste of the Wild is on the recall list. If your state is not on this list, then your Diamond foods are manufactured at one of the other 2 Diamond plants that don’t have recalls. As long as you’re buying in store, and not online. I’ve never bought any dog food online, because I can get any food I want at a local store and not pay shipping. Even when “free” shipping is advertised, it’s not really free, because the prices are higher online than they are in store.

  • Brian Baty

    What bobby was talking about is what I read. I don’t take anybody’s word lol…do my own research. I read that “wild calling” and “hi tek” are really good. My vet said taste of the wild was good also.

  • Bobby dog

    Hi Brian:
    Not sure if TOTW has had recalls, but check out the recall tab at the top of the page. More than likely the person was referring to Diamond’s recall history, the manufacturer of this food. They have a history of recalls and just settled a multi-million dollar lawsuit in regards to this issue.

  • Kuta Thompson

    I havnt seen any recent recalls so maybe they corrected the problem i feed my cats the cat version and they love it to i even talked to my vet and she said it was a good brand so iether they corrected the problem or who ever told you that was misinformed

  • Brian Baty

    Someone told me that this dog food had a lot of recalls and I use to feed this to my dog :/

  • Kuta Thompson

    I use this dog food and my dog seems to love it i think its the only dog food he’ll eat right away

  • LabsRawesome

    Such beautiful dogs. They look very healthy. :)

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    That statement is based on the group average carbohydrate content of around 43%. Some formulas within the brand might have more carbs and some might have less. Compare it to Back to Basics Dry which has an overall carb content of just 30%.

  • mrpit

    Mike, I am just curious to know why your review classifies TOTW as “plant based” in your bottom line. I’ve been feeding my girls TOTW High Prarie since they were pups. They love it and I have no complaints and I believe it’s probably the best value compared to other grain free, premium dry foods out there. I have a rotation of quality canned food, a small dash of olive oil (they HATE fish oil), raw meat, or an egg that I add as a topper at every meal, just for variety and for my own joy at watching them scarf it down. I’m careful about not overfeeding and they easily maintain a healthy weight with luscious coats, bright eyes, and clean teeth. There’s other dry dog food out there that may be slightly more nutrious, but this is a good one that I feel is best bang for the buck! I would recommend to anyone. I always enjoy reading everything on this site from Mike and fellow dog enthusiasts!

  • Max Moller

    Eaglepack. Very good.

  • Cyndi

    Maybe it’s an ingredient in TOTW that doesn’t agree with him. I would try to switch to a different brand altogether.

  • 4FootedFoodie

    If you’re certain the formula of the large bag was the same as that which you had just finished transitioning him to, I think I’d switch him to something else. Sometimes it takes a little while for food intolerances to present. One of my dogs is intolerant of flax and he can usually eat it for a short time before he starts to have symptoms.

    I’d look for a different protein, particularly a single protein, and a single starch; and keep in mind allergies, or more commonly intolerances, can be the result of other ingredients than proteins. Chickpeas, lentils, tomatoes and flax are pretty common problem ingredients.

    In the meantime, give him a spoonful of plain canned pumpkin (not spiced pie filling) with his meals, which helps regulate intestinal water. That usually helps with loose stool.

  • Michal

    I’ve started my 3.5 month old puppy on Taste of the wild two weeks ago, mixed with his previous dog food. During the transition phase- which I took very slowly, easing him to Taste of the wild, there didn’t appear to be any issues. Then two days ago I bought a large bag of TOTW and from then on he has diarreah. I gave him
    Rice for two days and put him back on TOTW, assuming he might have eaten something outside that didn’t agree with him. Two hours after eating TOTW he had diarrhea again. Has anyone else experienced this? Should I return the bag and switch him to something else? I must say I’ve already switched his food twice with no effects whatsoever.

  • Storm’s Mom

    Earthborn Holistic or Victor would be my choices.

  • Columbia

    I’ve been feeding this for a while and love it, however I wish to mix in a different grain free dry brand in with this food. I want to feed this because I like supporting my local feed shop (I love my feed store guys.). Here’s what I can get in my town with my budget: Castor+Pollux Ultramix, Earthborn Holistic, Victor, or Eaglepack. I can’t afford Orijen or Merrick, sadly, and they don’t sell it near me. What should I pick?

  • sue66b

    Hi Annie, sounds like ur boy has tummy/bowel problems he shouldn’t be pooing that much, He either cant handle the higher protein% & high fat% have you tried the Wellness kibbles, maybe start with the Wellness Simple limited ingredients range, they have kibbles with no chicken, then when things are better then tried the Wellness Complete Health, here’s a link to have a look at all their kibbles, Im tryng the “Simple Duck & Oatmeal” there’s “Lamb & Oatmeal” if you dont want to try the Duck, scroll to the bottom & u’ll see the Simple range my boys poo are excellent nice & firm & he does 2-3 poos a day & hes on a dog probiotic http://www.wellnesspetfood.com/recipes.aspx?pet=dog&ft=1#Complete also put him on a good dog probiotic, just google “dog probiotics” & 4th link down u’ll see “Pet Probiotics” Probiotics for Dogs & Cats-Mercola.com (Karen Becker) its a good video to watch..

  • Annie

    I have a 2.5 year old f1b goldendoodle and he eats the sierra mountain formula – I feel like he is pooping too much on this dog food. He can poop up to 7 times on a one mile walk before he even gets to the squishy kind. He also farts every time he sits and has the absolute worst breath. I didn’t know if this was just him being his unique little self or if this was food related. We got on TOTW because I (by trial and error) figured out that he had a chicken intolerance – he had some pretty severe diarrhea experiences with any foods containing chicken and they worsened with “higher quality” foods with a higher chicken protein content. but I’m getting pretty fed up with the amount that he poops and find it to be unusual since every retailer and vet has told me that switching to a higher quality food (as TOTW claims to be) would reduce the amount of poop. thoughts?

  • USA Dog Treats

    Hi A D

    I make Jerky treats for dogs and cats. They are made using free-range Chicken and Turkey, wild-caught Fish and pasture-raised Beef and Pork.

    They are all 100% meat, poultry or fish and no preservatives, supplementation or anything else is added!

    I make a more species appropriate and healthy treat than 99% of the companies that have an animal nutritionist or animal biologist on staff.

    Whenever big science gets involved you can be sure that what myself and many others consider “Good Nutrition” is “big scienced” right out the door and replaced with “Big Profits”

    Why is it incumbent on US to prove anything to YOU?

    If your only message here was:

    “My whole point of all these conversations was to get in contact with a good veterinary professional (specialist, dietician, etc) to avoid problems. For goodness sake what’s so wrong with that?”

    I would agree with you 100% and so would some of the other “Quacks”

  • USA Dog Treats

    Well said Storm’s Mom.

  • LabsRawesome

    If you’re looking for a 5 star food that is more budget friendly, check out Victor. http://www.victordogfood.com/ I pay just under $40 for 30lbs of Grain Free Ultra Pro 42. Click on their “find a dealer”, for a store near you.

  • Shawna

    UHM, NO!!! You are telling people to not take supplements unless they consult with their vets as long as that vet is not holistic, alternative or integrative. These folks, after all, have succumbed to the woo and pseudoscience and are not to be trusted. GIVE ME A BREAK

  • Shawna

    Apparently none of us are capable of reading and comprehending research and data unless we have completed the right courses in college?? Who’da thunk it…..

    Edit — Thank you USA

  • Shawna

    This is too much to reply too but had to comment on this one item.

    You wrote ” I am wholly opposed to raw feeding because contamination is highly likely and illness is also likely.”

    I assume you would include “all raw” as you didn’t differentiate. This would then include raw that has been subjected to high pressure pasteurization (which they also use in human foods).

    My dog, Mimi, has eaten at least 3 mice (I’ve mentioned it here on DFA before) and no diarrhea. Your poor cats digestive tract must be an absolute mess!!! :( So sad

  • Storm’s Mom

    What are your credentials? You still have yet to answer that, and yet you ask, it not demand, it of others to justify what they are saying, while freely giving your own advice. Seems that’s a bit of a double standard.

  • Shawna

    I am full blown holistic so YES, you most definitely DID insult me directly MANY MANY times.

    You appear to be so steeped in allopathic rhetoric that you apparently feel anything alternative or “holistic” is “woo and pseudoscience”. That’s a shame.

    Lets take a look at some of the woo…
    1. Garlic cures the antibiotic resistant “super bug” MRSA. This link is “google scholar” with multiple studies http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=allicin+MRSA&btnG=&as_sdt=1%2C28&as_sdtp=

    Allopathic antibiotics are ineffective against MRSA but the little ole fresh garlic clove (due to “allicin”) knocks it out.

    And then there’s oil of oregano (note the other essential oils that have been tested as effective antimicrobials as well) http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=oil+of+oregano+MRSA&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C28

    I think a raw vegan diet is not a healthful diet but there are “foods” like gluten and dairy that can be HIGHLY damaging to those sensitive to them. I’m a prime example — I started having temporary but complete vision loss in both eyes when just 12 years old. In my early 30’s I was diagnosed with “ideopathic white matter brain lesions” which my neurologist said was what was seen in patients with dementia. I went undiagnosed for 30 years despite seeing a MULTIPLE doctors including specialists until my current MD (who treats holistically) diagnosed it was a food reaction. I suffered for 30 years because allopathic medicine couldn’t look beyond drugs and had little to no training in nutrition.

    My issue was dairy (and a morphine like substance in dairy called beta-casomorphin 7) and possibly gluten. Those with gluten intolerance can have the same neurological symptoms. The “allopathic” term for it is “gluten ataxia”. Symptoms of gluten ataxia can manifest as vision issues, brain lesions, speech, stroke like events, gait etc.

    Is it so hard to believe that gluten could cause, or at least contribute, to ADHD when it is KNOWN to cause the neurological illness referred to as ataxia?

    Edit — Facebook page titled “I f-cking hate pseudoscience” Could one be any more closed minded?????

  • Betsy Greer

    Just FYI, the fat and protein in the Wellness Simple Duck and Oatmeal are very low, because of that it’s a 3.5 star food. That said, I’d your dog needs a good with protein and fat that low, it’s a very good choice from a trustworthy manufacturer.

  • aimee

    You are welcome.

  • MaineSusan

    Oh great, TY… that is a great idea… there are so many choices it is hard to determine. Also I am not really wanting to pay $65 for a bag of dog food, which is problematic to find something with 5 star ratings…

  • Jan_Mom2Cavs

    My holistic vets are definitely not quacks. They have vet degrees and are highly regarded in the community. They recommend titer testing, do acupuncture, chiropractic,and nutritional consults. I wish I’d gone to them years ago. Maybe my Shih-Poo would still be alive instead of passing at age 8. I blame the traditional vet I was seeing at the time for many misdiagnosed ailments. I wouldn’t recommend him to anyone….now there goes a quack.

  • A D

    I did not insult you personally, i insulted the holistic community and some nutritionists for quite a few good reasons. And yes being called ignorant becomes quite insulting when stated in such a snarky manner “your ignorance is quite comical”. Real nice. Toxins are consumed daily in all manner of ways, be it natural or synthetic. A host of fruits and vegetables contain amygdalin which is converted to cyanide after ingestion and these foods (organic or not) contain arsenic, formaldehyde, and a host of other toxins that would scare the bejesus out of the alt-med folks. The dose is what matters. Mercury hasn’t been in most human vaccines since ’99. However, it is still present in some and in some animal vaccines but thiomersal (which is a mercury compound that is only roughly 50% mercury) is one of the most effective anti-bacterial and anti-fungal preservatives and has been proven, time and time again, to be safe in most humans and animals. Vaccines have been proven time and time again to be the most effective preventative against the most common and potentially deadly viral diseases in animals and humans. Yes there is room for error, everything has room for error and sometimes rare reactions occur, but we cannot demonize the whole deal based on a handful of adverse reactions but we can learn from them and make adjustments, which has been done. Facts are facts, they are tangible, can be repeated, tested, proven to be true. Beliefs are quite different and can be damaging depending on the motives or agendas of the people using the belief system and depending on the belief system itself. I recall a very lengthy and disturbing conversation i had with a studying alternative nutritionist once. He was hell bent on believing that food could cure every illness known to man because his professors told him so. He tried to convince me that my nephew could be cured of ADHD if he ceased eating foods containing gluten and would go full raw vegan. Those kind of quacks are present on the animal health level just like they are on the human health level. I invite you to join a group on facebook that deals specifically with woo and pseudoscience peddled by the alt-med movements: https://www.facebook.com/hatepseudoscience

  • A D

    Going by your name you sell dog treats, which most likely contain supplements? Do you hold a degree in animal nutrition or do you hold a degree in animal biology? There are people here who peddle their own opinions, i have yet to see any of them tell me what makes their opinion high and mighty. What credentials do they have? What schooling, what experiences other than with their own animals? I’m offering advice to people to be cautious because way too many can end up over-doing supplementation which is why they need guidance from more than internet random people and which is why i tell them to consult with their veterinarians. Vets, if they don’t know of a problem or about an issue, usually refer people to specialists. In the case of dog diets, that specialist would be a dietician. Maybe too many of you have encountered bad vets. Mine refers us to specialists when needed. My whole point of all these conversations was to get in contact with a good veterinary professional (specialist, dietician, etc) to avoid problems. For goodness sake what’s so wrong with that?

  • Dori

    No need for thanks, Shawna. Just speaking the truth. It’s me that thanks you for all your help. : )

  • sue66b

    Hi Maine Susan, read the Science Diet Protein% & Fat% then what I did was I tried another kibble that was as close to the Fat% & Protein% as the Vet prescription diet.. Im trying the Wellness Simple Duck & Oatmeal limited ingredients & Patches poos are excellent better then when just on his Vet prescription Diet (Eukanuba Intestinal) but Im still mixing the vet Prescription Eukanuba Intestinal with the wellness Simple I do 1/2 & 1/2 at the moment, its taken me 1 month to slowly introduce the Wellness Simple Duck & Oatmeal, also no treats as they are high in fat%, I give a little bit of Banana or a little bit of apple as a treat.also I give Tuna in spring water drained with a tablespoon of boiled pumkin for breakfast when Patch poos I can tell when he has had his pumkin & Tuna as his poo is a bit softer & orange so maybe Im giving a little too much pumkin, I also give Patches probiotic inbetween feeds Ive read that probiotic works better given by itself without food, I just mixed with15ml water He loves drinking it then he has his sleep .try another kibble & see how he goes the wellness Simple has no GMO, wheat, corn,gluten,meat by-products, eggs, dairy, soy, here’s their site & have a look at their ingredients & their guaranteed Analysis when something works stick to it for about 6months then maybe try another flavour but same brand http://www.wellnesspetfood.com/categories.aspx?pet=dog&cat=3

  • Shawna

    I don’t really find wiki to be the most reliable of sources. That said I will have to agree with what they stated in that melamine was indeed found to have been directly added to human baby food (in China). I have seen no reports stating the same has been done in the US.

    BUT, I did find an FDA document that states melamine is getting into the food supply through livestock that have been fed melamine contaminated dog food. http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ConsumerUpdates/ucm048185.htm

    I do agree with your statement that the FDA is quite lax.

  • USA Dog Treats

    Hi A D

    You wrote:

    “We’re not veterinarians, we don’t know diddly squat about animal needs, animal immunology, or animal physiology, we really don’t.”

    How can you speak for anyone except yourself?

    You wrote:

    “when we want the reality of things, we need to consult with our veterinarians”

    Regarding supplementation, most vets repeat whatever the sales reps tell them. Regarding my vet. when he has someone who has questions about supplements he is not familiar with (most vets are only familiar with a few) he gives me a call.

    I am not a medical professional BUT I can tell you that some of the posters here (Shawna) know more about Canine nutrition than 9 out of 10 vets who are not board certified in nutrition.


  • Shawna

    Thank you very much Dori!!!!!!

  • Shawna

    Your whole statement is quite flawed.

    From your own source “With few exceptions, like some vitamins from B complex, hypervitaminosis usually occurs more with fat-soluble vitamins (D, E, K and A or ‘DEKA’), which are stored in the liver and fatty tissues of the body. These vitamins build up and remain for a longer time in the body than water soluble vitamins.” Water soluble vitamins have to be taken in large amounts to create any type of toxic affect.

    Newer research has made it very very very clear that protein restriction has absolutely no impact on the deterioration of already damaged kidneys. If it doesn’t impact already damaged kidneys it certainly isn’t going to impact those animals that are “prone” to kd. Here’s additional recent research “Results of the 10 experimental studies on dogs have failed to provide evidence of the benefit of reduced dietary protein to influence the course of renal failure.

    If vets are telling you otherwise, this should open your eyes to how little your vet may really know about your dog and cats nutrition.

  • Dori

    I think most of us here are pretty well done with you too “lady”!!!!!

  • Dori

    Are you seriously telling dog owners not to supplement animals unless instructed by their veterinarians? Do you really and truly not know how very little they know about nutrition and supplements? As far as I know Shawna, a long time poster here on DFA, is not a veterinary nor does she have a health care certificate (she may, I don’t know nor do I care). What she does have is many many years of experience. I for one, as most long time posters here will agree, will and have listened and learned through the years from Shawna than any vet or health care provider. My dogs are healthier and happier because my gut told me to listen and learn from a poster named Shawna. I will continue to do so. I’m not some young kid with little to no experience with animals. I am a 65 year old woman who has had a life time of many dogs, ferrets, iguanas, gerbils, hamsters, cats (though I am now allergic to cats) etc. throughout my life. It all came together for me and my dogs when I fumbled along the internet and came across DFA and thankfully came across Shawna. As always Shawna, me and my girls thank you from the bottom of our hearts for sharing your life experiences with us and others on this site, Mercola with Dr. Becker and the new site. Thank you my friend. Thank you sharing your experiences with all your “fur babies”, fosters and forever babies. : )

  • Shawna

    I don’t consider the use of the word ignorant am insult but I can see that others might. So I apologize. I wonder why you feel, however, that it is perfectly fine to refer to someone with a belief system different from yours a quack? Why are your insults okay while mine are not to be tolerated?

  • A D

    Illegal doesn’t mean it’s not used. You’d be very surprised how lax the FDA has gotten over the past 20 years. And melamine is present in our foods, just at much lower levels. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melamine

  • A D

    Yeah, i’m done with you now lady. Resorting to insults is ridiculous. I’m not ignorant by the way. I’ve been doing this jazz for years and know just how deep the woo goes in the holistic “community”. That’s not saying all of them are that way, but many, many are so steeped in make-believe it’s bloody disturbing.

  • A D

    The keyword there being “may”. “May” is not definitive and tells me that the vet does not have all the information to make a conclusion. If you want to get into details, a good 100 years ago dogs were lucky to live very long being fed what they were fed. They were often fed raw meats and whatever the family had left over. That was pretty close, though a bit more omnivorous, to the diet their wolf cousins eat. Wolves are lucky to make it much past 10 and that’s when they aren’t being hunted. They succumb to parasites and food borne illnesses easily. This is the same discussion i have with these paleo-diet people. Yes people ate raw meats thousands of years ago, but they also died very young from food borne illnesses. Nature provides only to a point. When living in nature, she demands death, insists upon it and does not discriminate about who goes or when they go. This applies to all animals, including us. We have these brains we evolved so we can live longer and we use these brains to produce items and foods that will keep us and our fuzzy friends from dying young. And yes i will give veterinarians a lot of credit. They went to vet-med school. Some are quacks, some are ineffective and some are downright terrible, but the majority are in the field because they love the animals and want to help them and most are damn good at what they do. I’m on real good terms with our veterinarian, he has been fantastic. But like human doctors, they only get so much study for nutrition. That is why most, when recommending special health diets that they don’t know much about or if you inquire about one, will send you to a specialist dog dietician. We are hyped into focusing on dietary trends, right now probiotics are being touted as the magical item. Last year it was the cherimoya fruit until that hype fizzled because it only worked on cancer cells in vitro but didn’t do diddly poo in vivo. With all the grass, dirt and weird water dogs drink outside, i’m sure they still get their fair share of natural bacteria that work as probiotics. If they weren’t getting enough probiotics from their kibble, canned, or random outside food sources then they wouldn’t have the longevity they do. Probiotics under veterinarian recommendation are fine, i am not opposed to it then, but it should be a case by case basis. But just going in willy-nilly without any instruction from a trained professional is just asking for trouble. People can get their hands on bad probiotics for their animals and that can lead to a whole lot of trouble. Things just need to be done correctly and intelligently. Basing your animal’s health decisions on internet opinions from people that, for all we know, may not be what they say they are, could be deadly. I’m not against probiotics in general, i’m against giving them without proper instruction from a medical professional. I am wholly opposed to raw feeding because contamination is highly likely and illness is also likely. If you wouldn’t eat it raw, why would you have your dog or cat eat it raw? My cat eats raw mice and the poor thing gets diarrhea afterward every time. My dog has stolen many, many raw meats off the counter and ends up with diarrhea every time.

  • MaineSusan

    I should also state that my vet put Gus on SD(?) for his stools… Gus would be much better while eating that but as soon as I got back to the Native the looseness came back. I did take a week to transfer him back and we went thru that 2X w/same results. Vet did not give him antibiotics because none of her tests indicated the need for them. She did recmnd Flora probiotics and I am now giving him Langer’s 15 strain, along w/the enzymes. I don’t know maybe I am just worrying about it more than need be… :/

  • Shawna

    Your ignorance is quite comical….

  • Shawna

    I foster Boston Terriers and Papillons and most every one that has come in over the years has had some diarrhea with switching. I give probiotics and canned pumpkin to help with the transition but sometimes the older or more fragile ones still have some diarrhea and/or mucous in the stool. It usually clears up within a few weeks (while on the pumpkin and probiotics).

    Loose stools can be an early symptom of a food intolerance (or sensitivity). If the problem food (ingredient in the food) continues to be fed the symptoms will often get worse with time. Loose stool is obviously caused by other things but if it doesn’t resolve then I would definitely try a different food. Do keep track of the ingredients in each food fed as this can help determine what exactly is causing the issue. My Pom reacts to chicken while I have a friend whose dog reacts to green beans. Can be anything and is often the starch in the food so keep that in mind.

    Ask lots of questions here as many have been in your very shoes at one point or another!!!!

  • A D

    Please avoid the quacks that call themselves holistic vets. So many of them have gone the way of woo and pseudoscience. Many are even anti-vaccination. Just do what your regular vet recommends or see a dog dietician (not a nutritionist, they can be quacks too and anyone can claim to be one, with or without a degree or training). http://www.registereddietitianschools.org/nutritionistvsdietician.htm That site notes the differences between a dietician and a nutritionist on the human level, but the same also applies on the animal level.

  • A D

    Maybe it’s a food allergy. You could try a limited ingredient dog food. Look for foods with protein sources like turkey, duck, venison, bison, rabbit. Avoid foods with eggs and grains. Don’t feed him scraps and look for limited ingredient treats that don’t contain artificial colors or preservatives. It may just be the treats causing the issue, it could be the scraps causing the issue, or it could be the entire diet. It might come down to a process of elimination as to what is causing the issue. This article, from this website, lists some good foods for dogs with food allergies: http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/best-dog-foods/hypoallergenic-dog-foods/

  • Shawna

    I think you are giving vets a little more credit than some of them may deserve.

    I asked my vet if probiotics would be beneficial for my kidney disease dog (I already knew the answer but I was curious what she though). She told me “they won’t hurt”.

    The probiotics that “wouldn’t hurt” my kd dog can actually be HUGELY beneficial. I’ve asked numerous vets (and even one nutritionist) about “nitrogen trapping” for kd dogs and every one of them had no idea what I was talking about.

    Nitrogen trapping is using probiotics and certain prebiotics to divert BUN from the blood via the colon sparing the kidneys from having to filter it. It can have a big impact on how a kd dog feels (even prevent symptoms such as vomiting). Every vet should know this but many don’t. Shoot, many vets still think that all KD dogs need lower protein diets. They have no clue that that was disproven years ago. Most vets however don’t know what to do about kd (one of the most common disease amongst dog and cats) though so they prescribe kd.

    Penn state did a study showing that probiotics actually “prime” neutrophil white blood cells. Neutrophils are one of the immune systems first lines of defense.

    Since you seem to only rely on the word of vets though — Vet Dr. Meg Smart is also a Nutritionist and taught veterinary nutrition for over 30 years. She states “What is unique about the ancestral diet is a number of microorganisms ingested, establishing a complex essential and protective biofilm within the mouth and gastrointestinal tract and on the surface of the skin. The canned and kibbled diets of to-day contribute very little to this complex biofilm. At least a whole food diet composed of raw fresh or lightly cooked ingredients will contain microorganisms that may
    contribute to a healthy biofilm. I believe the microorganisms within the raw whole food diets maybe of more benefit than the natural enzymes present in the fresh meat. A natural probiotic so to speak! I – See more at: http://www.angryvet.com/angryvet-nutrition-interview-drs-joseph-wakshlag-and-meg-smart/#sthash.v9Ax1F24.dpuf

    On Dr. Smarts blog she posts an article written by vet Dr. Fox that states “Canned foods are heat-sterilized and devoid of any live enzymes and bacteria. Heat processing and sterilization may also create abnormal gut microbial populations leading to dysbiosis and potential chronic digestive upsets and immune system dysfunction, while some of the bacteria consumed in natural foods are beneficial. This is a potential problem for those indoor pets who never have contact with soil, a source of bacteria that aid in digestion and maintain a healthy gut flora essential for optimal immune system function. This is one reason why more veterinarians are prescribing probiotics and some pet food manufacturers are including them in their dry and raw food formulations.” http://petnutritionbysmart.blogspot.com/2012/08/michael-fox-comments-on-pet-foods.html

    I can site quite a few more vets that recommend probiotics as well if interested.

  • Trey

    Thank you very much for your input

  • MaineSusan

    I did talk to my vet about the sups… she felt they wouldn’t hurt but I must say she is not a holistic type vet and there doesn’t seem to be any around me. Supplements are more of a holistic viewpoint than traditional vets might consider IMO…

  • MaineSusan

    I forgot to say above that we are on drilled well water. We are having it tested just now. Though it has never bothered our other dogs. Even our current cocker eats the same as this lab w/no probs. Obviously the lab is more sensitive to foods… or something. I appreciate all this input and will keep trying. I also read that unless his stools were very loose, watery not to worry??? Otherwise he looks/acts very good, shiny n healthy.

  • A D

    Can i see your veterinary or health care related degree? I did not state that protein CAUSES kidney disease. I stated that it can exacerbate kidney disease in animals that are prone to the diseases. An imbalance in urine minerals, in animals that have kidney disease, can be caused by protein. Minerals, specifically calcium, are deposited more frequently when protein levels are high. By what mechanism this occurs is still a mystery, but it puts more calcium in the urine from other areas of the body. That leads to crystal formation (forgive my previous mention of ph, i wrote all that at about 4am and was tired, not thinking clearly at the time) if the urine is not acidic enough or not removed from the bladder enough. Prescription diets are used in animals with kidney diseases and UT issues because should kidney or bladder stones form out of the calcium or out of magnesium, it could cause a disastrous blockage. Often the prescription diets will contain less protein (still enough for an animal to thrive) to keep calcium and magnesium out of the kidneys and bladder. Stones are far more common in cats, but dogs get them too. http://pets.webmd.com/dogs/bladder-urethral-stones-dogs-various-types-treatment-removal_ And honey, you can overdose on quite a few vitamins. You can overdose on C, D, A, E, K, various B vitamins, notably niacin, and a host of minerals. My own mother was accidentally overdosing on iron because she thought she should continue taking iron supplements after her kids were born. She was getting sick, went to the doctor, and they told her she was overdosing. DO NOT SUPPLEMENT YOUR ANIMALS UNLESS INSTRUCTED TO DO SO BY A VETERINARIAN. http://www.livestrong.com/article/211948-the-effects-of-niacin-overdose/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_poisoning http://www.livestrong.com/article/421776-side-effects-of-a-vitamin-c-overdose/

  • MaineSusan

    My puppy has been vet checked and tested with nothing unusual found. He pretty much had loose stools upon arrival at 8wks… breeder said there had been no probs at home or w/other pups. I have been feeding what the breeder fed n rcmd ever since. Someone on this DFA forums had suggested probiotics n digestive enzymes… I started w/prob then added enzymes after maybe a month. His stools kind of get better but then revert back to a softer pile and back n forth. I keep thinking he is getting better but he is now near 8mths, so maybe it’s time to try something different. We do give him scraps n treats but not more than maybe 5-10 % of his reg food. I just don’t know…

  • Shawna

    Hi A D,

    Melamine is not in human food (unless you are a baby in China). The antibiotic causing the disease in dogs and cats is illegal in the US so should not be in any US made foods. That said, I will agree with you that there’s some nasty crap in our food supply (human and dog). One of the reasons why I feed raw and eat mostly unprocessed foods myself.

    My issue with your original post is not your feeding of TotW but rather your analysis of raw diets. Every once in a while I still rotate a bag of TotW into my dogs’ kibble rotation.

    Edit — I’m aware that grapes are toxic to dogs and have had very lengthy discussion about it here on DFA several times.

  • A D

    If the nominal ppm of chlorine found in most residential tap water played such havoc with our digestive systems we’d all be perpetually ill all the time. Probiotics, unless there is a specific reason why a dog would need them, should not be given unless one is directed to supplement with them by their veterinarian. We’re not veterinarians, we don’t know diddly squat about animal needs, animal immunology, or animal physiology, we really don’t. We have the basics usually, then we have a lot of hype, a lot of pseudoscience and lot of pure make-believe being tossed at us, but when we want the reality of things, we need to consult with our veterinarians. And my statement was not inaccurate. Unless there is a specific reason to give a supplement (and your vet will tell you if there is a reason), supplements should not be given.

  • A D

    Nearly every dog food brand in the US gets at least one of its ingredients from China or another foreign country. Even domestic meats will contain melamine and antibiotics, not to mention arsenic and cleaning agents. Not all toxins or poisons that can adversely affect a dog or cat are known to man yet so not all toxins or poisons can be tested for but TOTW tests for the major, known toxins. It’s still a mystery just what it is in grapes that specifically causes kidney issues in some animals while other animals can eat them with no problems what so ever. They can’t know everything, we’re humans, we’re animals ourselves and are prone to mistakes. What i do know is that my dog has done well with this food and my cat did too until we learned of a possible spinal issue that caused his urinary problems, at which time he had to go on Hill’s prescription diet just to prevent crystal formation. http://www.dogster.com/lifestyle/dog-health-grapes-toxic-dogs

  • aimee

    Hi Trey,

    Through that’s a Crested in my pic I’ve always had Labs.

    For large breeds a diet controlled in calcium is important. Veterinary nutritionists recommend to keep Calcium around 3 grams/1000 kcal. The NRC Safe Upper limit is 4.5 grms/1000 kcals. TOTW has a few different puppy formulas and using their information I calculated out about 3.8 grams/1000 kcals.

    This is higher than I’d use but within the NRC guidelines.

    It is very important to keep your pup lean during growth.

    Additionally, during growth I use foods that have been through AAFCO growth trials and from a company I trust to do consistent quality control.

    My last lab pup I raised on Purina Pro Plan large breed.

  • Shawna

    You are correct for dogs.. You can not feed excess protein. Dr. Foster and Smith have some good info on it.

    “Can I feed my dog too much protein?

    If your dog eats too much protein, some will be excreted in the urine
    and the rest will be used as calories or converted to fat – causing your
    dog no harm.” http://www.drsfostersmith.com/pic/article.cfm?aid=459#answer_5

    There are MANY other vets that support this same information.

    If a dog already has kidney disease, the “quality” of the protein is of more importance than the amount.

  • Shawna

    You wrote “In animals that are prone to kidney diseases or urinary tract diseases, excess protein can contribute to renal failure” This myth that protein causes kidney disease has been disproven for over 20 years now. There is AMPLE scientific data demonstrating no correlation. Some vets still, unfortunately, believe this myth.

    You wrote “and an imbalance in urine ph which can result in crystal/stone formation from mineral build ups (if urine isn’t acidic enough, minerals can build up in the bladder and kidneys, thus producing stones).” There are LOTS of studies demonstrating how higher carbohydrate diets, when fed to cats, alter the urine ph allowing crystals to form. Some believe this happens in dogs too. Protein (certain amino acids in protein that is) acidifies urine — the amino acid methionine is sold as a supplement for that very purpose. http://www.vetstreet.com/dl-methionine-rx

    One can only overdose on “fat soluble” vitamins (A, D and E).

  • Trey

    I have noticed that TOTW has puppy formula but they do not have large breed puppy formula. I have a 16 week old lab puppy is it okay to feed him the regular puppy formal of TOTW? Or should I use a different brand that has large breed puppy formula?

  • Shawna

    I’m not sure which ingredients TotW gets from China but the fact that they screen for toxins, although a step in the right direction, is not nearly enough as they simply can’t screen for all toxins (even all known). The two toxins in chicken from china (melamine and antibiotic residue) killed and injured a lot of dogs and cats before the exact cause was identified.

  • Shawna

    You wrote “Unless the dog has been on antibiotics for an infection of some sort,
    probiotics are not usually necessary for them and can even cause
    diarrhea or constipation.”

    The chlorine residue used to treat most cities’ water supplies can kill our and our dogs’ healthy gut flora. As can overly processed, like kibble, diets. For most dogs, and people, I don’t think probiotics need to be given daily but to say they are not necessary unless an antibiotic is given is quite inaccurate.

  • Shawna

    You wrote “You cite one newsletter, no real studies and salmonella isn’t the biggest worry.” A newsletter that comes from “Center for Companion Animal Health, UC Davis School of Veterinary Medicine”. Are you suggesting that UC Davis is siting unscientific data?

    Most parasites, except the flukes in salmon, can effectively be killed if the food is frozen at the correct temperature for a certain length of time. Additionally, if you feed certain foods with your raw diet you can effectively kill parasites. Foods such as ground raw pumpkin seeds which paralyze worms. This is taken from the University of Maryland Medical Center “Eat more raw garlic, pumpkin seeds, pomegranates, beets, and carrots,
    all of which have been used traditionally to kill parasites. In one
    study, researchers found that a mixture of honey and papaya seeds
    cleared stools of parasites in 23 out of 30 subjects. Drink a lot of
    water to help flush out your system.”


    Why is e-coli more problematic? In humans (which handle bacteria far less efficiently than dogs), Healthline.com writes “Most cases of intestinal infection can be treated at home. Symptoms generally resolve within a few days to a week.” and “People and animals normally have some E. coli in their
    intestines, but some strains cause infection. The bacteria that cause
    infection can enter your body in a number of ways.” and “You can get the infection from drinking contaminated water or from swimming in it.” http://www.healthline.com/health/e-coli-infection#Causes3 For the record, you can also pick up parasitic infections while swimming.

    Audrey’s kd – We did not do further testing to determine the exact cause as the cause has no relevance on treatment.

    Changes in diet routine should NOT cause illness unless the dogs digestive tract has been trained to only handle one food due to the lack of rotation. All eight of my dogs and all my former and foster dogs handle a dietary change with ease (after they (the foster dogs) are used to it at least – usually takes a few weeks). My dogs’ diets change daily to every other day. Four of the eight get mostly raw with a little canned but can switch to kibble at any point without any symptoms at all. The other three get a combination of kibble, raw and canned at most feedings (unless I am out of something).

    When food is cooked and processed certain amino acids, like lysine and taurine, can be lost or damaged. The body uses amino acids in pairs and groups. If one amino acid is missing several others can go untilized. Those that are not utilized end up becoming blood urea nitrogen. It is blood urea nitrogen (aka BUN) that causes symptoms in dogs and cats with kidney disease. This is why cooked foods, and especially kibble, is more problematic for dogs and cats with kidney disease. When Audrey was young she could handle the infrequent kibble feedings just fine but as she has got older and her kidneys have declined further she becomes less and less tolerant of even the very infrequent feeding.

    Through fostering, five of my current dogs, have all been exposed to giardia, coccidia, ringworm and kennel cough (that we know for sure). My dogs all got giardia and coccidia but between their stellar immune systems and a few supplements they were symptom free within two days. None of my dogs developed ringworm lesions but both foster dogs I had at the time developed them. All my pups got kennel cough symptoms but they cleared on their own with at home supportive care. A strong immune system is ones BEST defense against pathogens of any kind. And a strong immune system comes from eating healthy, minimally processed real foods and a healthful lifestyle.

    Sorry this is so long!!

  • A D

    The prescription diet may not seem like the best when you look at all the internet hubbub, but if it worked for him, then you should continue using the prescription diet. My cat had to go on Hill’s prescription diet for urinary tract issues this past July and is doing well on it. He had been eating TOTW, but his urine ph was too high and he required a food specifically made to lower the ph so his urine would be more acidic so it could break down mineral deposits in the kidneys and bladder. A veterinarian is trained to understand the dog’s body. Don’t believe what you read online over the advice of a trained medical professional. Your dog’s lack of energy probably isn’t coming from his food, it’s probably coming from his illness and his age. Before switching his food, please seek a second opinion from your vet or from another vet of your choosing. The wrong food change could be disastrous for a diabetic dog.

  • A D

    Calcium is listed as calcium pantothenate on the puppy formulas’ ingredient lists :) It’s also included in the adult dog formulas. Direct from the TOTW website under high Prairie Puppy formula: Ingredients

    Bison, lamb meal, sweet potatoes, egg product, pea protein, peas,
    potatoes, canola oil, tomato pomace, roasted venison, beef, flaxseed,
    potato fiber, natural flavor, ocean fish meal, salmon oil (a source of
    DHA), salt, choline chloride, dried chicory root, yucca schidigera
    extract, tomatoes, blueberries, raspberries, Lactobacillus acidophilus,
    Bidobacterium lactis, Lactobacillus reuteri, vitamin E supplement, iron
    proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc
    sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate (vitamin
    B1), manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, ascorbic acid, vitamin A
    supplement, biotin, niacin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate,
    sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12
    supplement, riboavin (vitamin B2), vitamin D supplement, folic acid.

  • A D

    If you’re looking for a food without potatoes or peas, you may want to go for a different brand. All TOTW foods have potatoes and peas (or pea protein).

  • A D

    Sounds like a food allergy. Dogs get itchy spots when they have allergies and food allergies can cause those itchy spots on the arms and legs, paws and face. It is a good brand of food, but some dogs are allergic to certain ingredients so you may have to switch to a different brand. TOTW uses eggs and maybe the other protein sources are causing an allergy. It’s worth a try to see if it’s an allergy. Go for a limited ingredient, premium dog food that contains turkey, venison, buffalo, or duck as the meat sources and is grain free. Limited ingredient dog foods will say that they are limited ingredient. This website has an article on the issue and lists some brands that are good for food allergy issues: http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/best-dog-foods/hypoallergenic-dog-foods/

  • A D

    I can switch my saint bernard back and forth with the formulas without issue but that is because we have always done that since he was a puppy and his body is used to new or changing foods coming in all the time. You will want to introduce the different formulas to your dog slowly since it sounds like she/he has a touchy digestive system, doing the usual mix of the last food in with the new. I was reading an article a few weeks ago about probiotics and dog digestive systems. Unless the dog has been on antibiotics for an infection of some sort, probiotics are not usually necessary for them and can even cause diarrhea or constipation. Do consult with your vet if the loose stools don’t clear up after the food change. Dogs eat and play in a lot of nasty things and it could be a common parasitic infection like giardia. http://www.dog-health-guide.org/causesofgiardiaindogs.html

  • A D

    It (protein) is used or it is filtered out through the kidneys. In animals that are prone to kidney diseases or urinary tract diseases, excess protein can contribute to renal failure and an imbalance in urine ph which can result in crystal/stone formation from mineral build ups (if urine isn’t acidic enough, minerals can build up in the bladder and kidneys, thus producing stones). In healthy animals and humans, excess protein may or may not cause adverse effects. Not enough is known yet to say it causes disease to have too much, but too little can result in illness. Vitamins and minerals on the other hand, are very easy to overdose on and excess vitamin/mineral supplementation should be avoided by both humans and animals unless under the direction of a real doctor (not a quack or chiropractor) or veterinarian. Tomer should continue feeding what is working for his puppies. A regular puppy food would do just fine. If the puppies are found to have kidney disease or are genetically prone to getting it, then he should discuss a different form of diet with his vet (they make special prescription diets for dogs and cats with kidney diseases).

  • A D

    Mid-sized dogs can be fed regular puppy food. Large and giant breed dogs have the recommendation of lower protein levels because it causes growth spurts which can result in bone abnormalities. The jury is still out on the issue though, since the science is conflicting and could go either way, those that breed giant dogs often recommend the lower protein for them but the best bet is to ask the vet. Huskies are high energy, medium to larger sized dogs and would benefit from regular puppy food but it’s always good to get the opinion of a vet or a dog dietician.

  • A D

    Often vitamins and bird meat (chicken/ducks/etc) and sometimes other meats will be imported because the US does not have places that produce the amounts needed. Most dog food brands have at least one ingredient sourced from china. TOTW screens for toxins, thankfully, and frequently checks for contamination. That doesn’t necessarily mean they really do that, but we should give them the benefit of the doubt until they’re proven to not do so. 2 ingredients isn’t much to be concerned about. Did you ask them what ingredients specifically were sourced from china?

  • A D

    You cite one newsletter, no real studies and salmonella isn’t the biggest worry. Yes, humans that eat raw meat also get parasites and potentially deadly bacterial infections. I had a parasitic worm in my salmon once, it was not a pleasant experience. Nature does not discriminate when it comes to disease and death. TOTW has been recalled for salmonella, at which times we’d feed the dog or cat Blue Buffalo grain free. Salmonella isn’t nearly as concerning as e. coli and the assortment of parasites raw foods can contain. E. coli has the ability to cause renal failure in both animals and humans. It is also deadly because dehydration can happen quickly. There is no way to tell if a raw food will be contaminated with it or not. I’m glad your dog doing well. Her doing well probably has little to do with a raw diet though. And her having issues when you feed kibble instead of the usual diet is because changes in diet routine often cause illness, especially in already ill animals. What exactly is her kidney disease?

  • MaineSusan

    Hello, I am thinking of changing from Native Level III to TOTW. The Native seems to be giving my dog some loose stools, even w/digestive enzymes n probiotics added. Was also wondering if any of you switch from one TOTW formula to another w/o any problems or the need to switch slowly???

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Hi Joanne –

    You should contact the company and ask whether they can guarantee that ethoxyquin was not added to their meat meals at any point in time – including before it arrived at the manufacturing facility.

  • Joanne

    Hi. I am feeding Taste of Wild Pacific Stream dry and I am questioning —does it contain Ethoxyquin preservative? I know that it is not necessary for “E” to be listed as a separate ingredient — so does anyone have this info, or can you tell me how to research. Thank you Joanne

  • Wendy Wendt

    I have fed TOTW high prairie to my mastiff Daphne { she has since gone over the rainbow bridge at 11 years due to lymphoma } , my rhodesian ridgeback Diamond { also with her sissy at the bridge at age 11 , hip / kidney issues } , and my 2 new babies Hogan { American Bulldog } and Heidi { rhodesian and redbone coonhound mix } . This is the best food available for a working girl’s budget. Ive tried so other brands , but always go back to TOTW. Hogan has allergy issues , and this dog food helped. I love this food , and thank-you to the company for allowing us to buy your quality product !

  • Kathy

    We’ve recently bought the Southwest Canyon for our dorgi, he will be 2 later this month! I recently had to take him to the vet because he’s been licking his paws a Lot.. Not sure exactly what’s causing this, trying to narrow it down. My question is has anyone else’s dogs reacted this way to this food? From everything I’ve read, this seems like a really good brand. And Yes I mixed his old food with the new before giving it to him.

  • miamimike13

    When I adopted my American Bulldog/Jack Russel mix he had a very dull coat, shed a lot and dry skin. After research on this site I chose TOTW Pacific Stream. His previous pet parent had fed him cheaper dog foods and table foods. He took to the TOTW right away. It’s been a few months now and Gandolf has a nice shiny coat, sheds much less and the dry skin is gone. I have noticed that he has more energy, has little doggie smell and great muscle tone.His stools are solid regular as well. He has the softest fur I have every seen now and he constantly gets comments on it. I do had a few supplements including salmon oil to his diet as well. I highly recommend his product.

  • Storm’s Mom

    The Go! Sensitivity and Shine Turkey (grain-free, potato-free) is the only Go or Now product I’ve tried, but I was pretty impressed with it. I’d forgotten about it until you mentioned it (it’s been a while since it came up in the rotation ..which I guess means it’ll be coming up again soon..I haven’t checked in a bit), but, yes, definitely one I’d recommend. I’d love to feed the Go! Fit & Free Grain-Free, as it looks like a great food, ingredients-wise ..but it’s got chicken which my guy reacts to :-(

  • Melanie

    Wilson doesn’t have a hard time transitioning. I do it over a week with no problems. The Merrick was the only one he didn’t want to eat and when he ate a small amount he just threw it up. We have a great feed store here in Southern CA called Protein For Pets and they let me return the 30 lb bag for a full refund. That store is very helpful. They really push 2 foods called Go and Now. I think they only get 4 stars here on this site. I think they’re made in Canada. Geez! So many great foods to choose from! Thanks for your help.

  • Maren Roush

    My dogs’ fur is uber soft. And they are very very active (whether I want them to be or not). :)

  • Thomas

    Yeah, I’m happy sticking with TOTW…

  • Thomas

    That’s what I’m talking about! Same here…soft,shiny coat, and good muscle development.

  • Maren Roush

    We are big TOTW fans in our house.

  • Dori

    Unfortunately Labs, we have more than one troll from time to time that has us questioning ourselves and then we stop and think and realize……OH RIGHT!!! THAT’S ONE OF THOSE TROLL IDIOTS! It would be so lovely to figure out some way to block those trolls. I know there isn’t and I realize I’m thinking fantasy land but it’s exhausting enough to weed through all the dog food info without the trolls trying to trip us up.

  • Storm’s Mom

    “crude protein” = “guaranteed analysis”, so, yes the 32% “crude protein” would be about 36% on a dry matter basis.

    Did you transition slowly to these foods? Do you use a probiotic and/or digestive enzymes during the transition from one food to another, or just generally? I’d suggest both, if you’re not already doing so.. you shouldn’t need to transition slowly after the first few times you switch to a new food, but probiotics and digestive enzymes will always help with digestion. I can switch cold turkey with my guy now, but I still regularly use probiotics and digestive enzymes.

  • LabsRawesome

    Yeah, he’s pretty much crazy. This site has a troll that shows up every so often to cause trouble.

  • Melanie

    How funny. I just saw the rest of your post explaining protein levels and how they are determined. Thanks again. Maybe I will try the Nature’s Logic if the price is right.

  • Melanie

    Thanks for your input. My TOTW bag states it’s crude protein is 32%. I’m sure there is a difference between that and the dry matter% that I don’t quite understand. He’s been on Acana and tolerated it well but didn’t seem to like it very much and Acana and Orijen are a bit out of my price range. I tried him on the Merrick bison and sweet potato which states it’s crude protein is 38% and he did not tolerate it at all. I mixed just a little with his TOTW and he woul only eat a small amount and then vomit it up an hour later undigested. This happened 4 times and he didn’t even eat 1/2 a cup of it. Anyways, I think I will try the Earthborn Holistics and see how that goes. Thank you again.

  • Storm’s Mom

    High Prairie is approx 36% protein on a dry matter basis. Nature’s Logic is 38% protein on a dry matter basis. NL reports their food on a dry matter basis, while with most other foods (like TOTW) you have to do the calculations yourself (Dr Mike does them for the recipes he chooses for each review, though). TOTW lists High Prairie as 32% protein based on guaranteed analysis, but on a dry matter basis that would be more like 36% or so (dry matter basis is generally about 4% higher). So, your dog *should* be just fine with NL from a protein perspective. I’d strongly suggest trying it. Earthborn Holistic is another great option. Acana or Orijen would be other ones to check out.. Horizon Legacy.. there’s a new one called Wild Calling that I really like (their Rocky Mountain ones)… others here have sung the praises of Dr Tims and Victor (neither are available here so I can’t vouch for them personally). Hope that helps!

  • Melanie

    Wow. I just started reading all of these posts and I am floored! I was going to post something positive to have Rick’s back because I was agreeing with everything he was saying until I read that last one. It’s almost like someone else wrote that. He seemed like he was really in to dogs and animals but after that post I’m not so sure. I have a lab and believe me he wants to be alive, happy, and loved. I feed him TOTW High Prairie and he thrives on it. That’s why he keeps getting it. I too have concerns about the recalls and it being associated with Diamond. More concerning is the vitamins and minerals from China that may or may not be in the food. If anyone can recommend a food with no recalls and no Chinese ingredients would love to hear about them. I’ve read that Nature’s Logic is a good one but my lab can’t tolerate 38% protein. I read somewhere that Earthborn holistics has the closest makeup to TOTW without the recalls. I would love all of you dog foodies to give me your in put.

  • Thomas

    Update: my dog was allergic to the fish. Rash in ears, but gone now. Switched back to high prarie with great results.

  • Melanie

    I really like this dog food for my 5 year old lab. I’ve done a lot of research and I know it has been involved in some recalls being associated with Diamond which does make me nervous. I’m also not too sure about its ingredients from China. That makes me more nervous than salmonella contamination. One thing I do know is that my dog thrives on TOTW High Prairie formula. Shiny coat, bright eyes, and very lean and muscular. He’s been on Nature Select, Kirkland, Acana, and most recently Merrick. I like to switch it up. This is the one I keep coming back to. Price is right too and he tolerates it the best.

  • PrivacyInA9M80

    Great, thoughtful remarks. I second all your thoughts.

  • PrivacyInA9M80

    I’ve fed Taste of the Wild, along with Merrick and Canidae, for four years. My dogs are incredibly healthy and happy. I wish there were a similar product made with human nutrition in mind. ;)

  • PrivacyInA9M80

    Yep. It’s nice to see someone placing at least some blame on vaccination. In theory, vaccination rocks; in practice, limitations can sometimes lead to problems.

  • Cyndi

    You sound a lot wiser than just 14 years old. Awesome job! Your story gave me goosebumps as well!

  • pagarama

    I love hearing stories like yours! Excellent news!

  • Shawna

    Hi Ken,

    Comparing wet canned food to dry matter kibble is like comparing apples to oranges. To get a true comparison you have to convert the canned to dry matter.

    As an example, per DFA, the canned Chicken Soup Adult Formula has an “as fed” protein amount of 8%. But when converting to dry matter the protein amount is 36%. Canned foods are more often than not higher in protein than kibbled foods. (Due to the higher moisture content, they are easier to digest.)

    More info on dry matter can be found in this article http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/choosing-dog-food/dry-matter-basis/

  • Ken Kendrick

    do not feed high protein diet to a dog with diabetes they have a hard time with digesting proteins with that issue.I had a Min Pin with the same problem and found that home cooked chicken boiled and rice worked but if yoy want an easy way out go with canned food as most are just 6 to 9 percent protein where dry is 19 to 35.My dog did great on canned Chicken Soup for older dogs and lived 5 years with the diabetes.As a matter of fact the US government taking pork insulin off the market is what did him in not the food.Stay as low as you can with protein and you should be good.

  • Kally

    I started feeding my 8 month old corgi Taste of the Wild (any and all flavors of the puppy kibbles) when he was about 5 months old and he has done wonderful on this food! He has a great moisturized and shiny coat, and has healthy stools. I usually include a half tablespoon or so of Pumpkin Puree to his dry food. I used to feed a variety of the Natural Balance puppy kibbles until Oliver became uninterested in eating, and often had loose stools, which is when I switched him to TOTW. This is a great dog food, and I would highly recommend it to anyone, especially for puppies

  • USA Dog Treats

    Great Job!!!

  • Betsy Greer

    Great job Columbia!! Your story gave me goosebumps. : )

    I hope your dad values the food you’ve chosen and is paying for it now.

  • Columbia

    I mostly grew up with my dog. He was always fed Beneful, or the similar. Rummy had been eating it for about 7 years, and I noticed his overall health was declining. His fur was dull, nails brittle, and he was becoming lazy and uninterested in his food. I’m also certain his allergies and scratching was caused by the ingredients. He was bald. Everywhere. I decided to take the matters into my own hands. I found this website, researched all night, and then went to the feed store (they have the nicest food in town) to pick out his food. I was stuck between Chicken Soup FTS and TOTW, but once I saw that the Pacific Stream formula was for dogs with food sensitivites, I knew it was for him. Of course, I had to pay the difference between this and his own food (I’m 14), so I tried to get the most bang for my buck. It’s $40 for the largest bag, but it’s made all the difference in the world. The fish has made his coat is lustrous and strong, the shedding ceased, and his hair is growing back. He’s senior, and has a cruciate ligament injury and genetic hip issues, and I’ve seen a difference in his mobility. I also suggest SmartPak supplements, I use Missing Link on his food, and also generic fish oil tablets.

    Thank you Dog Food Advisor for making a significant difference in me and my dog’s life. Also, my father was stubborn about the food change, and your reports have swayed him over. My dog will live a longer, healthier life- thanks again.

    The picture attached is my Rumsfeld with his friend and ex-Iams dog Sammy. I had her change her food when I petsitted him- she loves this site, too.

  • Crazy4cats

    All of the flavors are rated 4.5 stars unless noted otherwise. Which in this case is all but SW Canyon. So, 4.5 stars.

  • Southern Born

    Wonder what the rating would be on TOTW Southwest Canyon with wild Boar? I’m looking for something without potatoes, rice, peas.

  • Dumbass

    I use the grain free version of Victor. I buy it local at less than 40 bucks for 30 pounds. Never recalled Non GMO, and made at Victor’s family owned plant in Texas. Victor’s site- victordogfood.com

  • 3SpottedDogs

    While I think that the recalls from 2012 give me a reason to regularly monitor my pets for digestive issues, my pack of 6 do fabulous on TOTW. I think as a pet parent, no matter what brand of pet food you choose to feed, you have to be prudent about watching your dog/cat for changes in behavior that may be related to their food.
    I have seen several recommendations for The Honest Kitchen and they are on the 2013 recall list. Most recently Science Diet, the brand that most veterinarians push, is recalled. You can probably find something wrong with every brand out there. My personal experience has been positive with TOTW so I wanted to contribute to this thread.

    I have tried switching to other high quality brands including Fromm and Precise and I always end up back with TOTW. They all ended up with dull coats, excessive shedding and weight loss on one of the brands that I switched to and the other was too rich for them, giving all but 2 tummy troubles (and yes I slow change foods).

    All of mine happily lick the bowl clean at every meal so I will continue to feed TOTW. For all 6 dogs to do well on a brand that I feel good about feeding, it’s a winner for me! I typically vary between High Prairie and Wetlands and all of my dogs have shiny coats, great muscle tone, and great digestive health.

    I did have an episode of diarrhea among 3 of mine when I started feeding a new bag in March of this year and just to be safe I dumped the bag and called TOTW and spoke with the vet about the lot. They opened a case file and said they would contact me if they had any other complaints in the same lot and they ending up refunding me for the bag. I purchased a new bag with a different lot number on it just to be safe and the issues resolved. Would the issues have resolved with time? Could the diarrhea have been from something else? Maybe, but I didn’t want to take the chance and continue feeding and it be the food.

  • UseYourNoggin

    To TheDogMan77,

    Our Australian Terrier was diagnosed at age 4 with diabetes. He lived to age 9 on Blue Buffalo w life source bits. We also added in pumpkin and/or yogurt most of the time. (I didn’t know much about dogfood then, except to feed higher quality.)

  • Thomas

    Disregard. I see my previous comment now. Still true.

  • Thomas

    My comment may have been deleted…

    I actually posted in reference to how great TOTW has been with my new pup. I guess this thread doesn’t know how to handle a relevant comment. Anywho, High Prairie formula is the best as far as muscle definition goes. Pacific Stream is great for overall absorption–less poop, so more absorption. But I like the higher fat content in the bison formula. Just me. Anyone else have success or failure with this brand. All I see on any of these threads is propaganda and brand bashing. It’s really frustrating having to scroll for two hours to get a real critique.

  • Thomas

    I’d like to add a comment pertaining to TOTW, which is what this thread is for, though people seem to have forgotten that.

    I think it’s great. Isn’t that refreshing? I’m not one of those freaks who would rather discuss recalls or mention other brands on this thread. This is the TOTW page, is it not? I could care less about Hill Science or IAMS or Orijen…the list goes on and on. Please tell us! How did your dog react to TOTW?

    As alluded to, my dog does great on it. He has great muscle definition. He loved the Pacific Stream at first, but I think I’ll switch back to the bison-based food. He (a black mouth cur, btw) was putting on muscle more rapidly on the High Prairie, which is the first bag I tried. I think it was the higher fat content, which is just as important as the protein–good fats, that is. Energy is good. Poop is good…better on the Pacific Stream, oddly enough–less poop.

    Anyway, anyone else actually use this stuff, or am I the only one?

  • Shawna

    Ummm, humans eat raw meats all the time.. Sushi and sashimi are quite popular in my area. Steak tartar is considered a delicacy.

    I also find it a bit strange that you would call out raw diets for salmonella when Taste of the Wild has been recalled for the very same concern??

    Parasites can be killed by adequate freezing in most cases. In the rare exception, like salmon, it is advised that the food be cooked or not eaten.

    Kibbles have had numerous recalls for salmonella contamination. That aside, a healthy pet can actually be a carrier for salmonella and ecoli. It is part of their normal flora.
    “A number of bacterial organisms commonly associated with diarrhea in dogs and cats include Salmonella, Campylobacter, Clostridium perfringens and Clostridium difficile.

    Veterinarians are faced with a quandary when attempting to diagnose dogs and cats with suspected bacterial-associated diarrhea, because these organisms commonly represent a normal part of the host’s intestinal microflora.” http://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/ccah/local-assets/pdfs/newsletter_2003_fall.pdf

    Dog in my avatar has had kidney disease since birth (symptoms noticed at around six weeks of age). She also had some other complications and was almost lost. Since coming to me at nine weeks of age she has been raw fed. The only time she gets sick is if I feed her kibble for more than one or two meals infrequently (running late or seriously lazy). She was officially diagnosed with kd at one year of age and given one year longer to live. That was seven years ago. She is still going strong, still unmedicated and still eating raw. Her eight year birthday is next week. I have no doubt she would not be with me any longer if I fed her kibble regularly (any brand of kibble).

    For the record, I’m not particularly fond of Diamond at the moment but I’m not in the fear TotW camp either.

  • A D

    I see fear mongering and self advertizing has seeped into the dog food forums :( . Taste of the Wild is a high quality USA made dog food and i currently feed it to my dog (who enjoys the fact we can switch around the recipes –without diarrhea issues– because he burns out on dry food flavors quickly) and my cat eats Taste of the Wild cat food (and loves it). Raw feeding can have deadly consequences, our dogs are not wolves and can easily become victims of e. coli, salmonella and parasites just like humans. Since raw feeding is risky business despite what those on the internet will tell you and vegan diet feeding a dog is insane and cruel, these canned and dry products are the best options for health. I personally recommend TOTW, both my animals, a 200lb Saint Bernard (tall beast, not fat at all) and my grey domestic short-hair cat (roughly 10lbs, none of it fat) have done well on this brand. Both animals are healthy and active (well as active as a 3 year old saint bernard chooses to be lol). The current recipe we’re using for the dog is the Pacific Stream formula. Aside from slightly more offensive stools (common with fish based foods), we’re pleased with it. Our vet was also pleased that we were feeding this grain free brand of food to our dog and cat.