Natura Again Recalls Innova, EVO, California Natural and Others

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June 18, 2013 – Natura Pet Products of Fremont, Nebraska, has today announced it is voluntarily recalling specific lots of dry pet food because they may be contaminated with Salmonella.

Natura Pet Products Dog Food RecallThe recall includes specific lots of these brands

  • Innova
  • EVO
  • California Natural
  • Healthwise
  • Karma
  • Mother Nature

No canned food is affected by this announcement.

The news of the event has been confirmed in a news release posted by the FDA.

What Products Are Recalled?

Natura Pet Dog Food Recall

Where Were They Distributed?

The affected products are sold in bags through…

  • Veterinary clinics
  • Select pet specialty retailers
  • Online in the USA and Canada

About Salmonella

Salmonella can affect animals eating the products and there is risk to humans from handling contaminated pet products, especially if they have not thoroughly washed their hands after having contact with the products or any surfaces exposed to these products.

Healthy people infected with Salmonella should monitor themselves for some or all of the following symptoms:

  • Nausea
  • Vomiting
  • Diarrhea or bloody diarrhea
  • Abdominal cramping
  • Fever

Rarely, Salmonella can result in more serious ailments, including arterial infections, endocarditis, arthritis, muscle pain, eye irritation, and urinary tract symptoms.

Consumers exhibiting these signs after having contact with this product should contact their healthcare providers.

Pets with Salmonella infections may be lethargic and have diarrhea or bloody diarrhea, fever, and vomiting.

Some pets will have only decreased appetite, fever and abdominal pain. Infected but otherwise healthy pets can be carriers and infect other animals or humans. If your pet has consumed the recalled product and has these symptoms, please contact your veterinarian.

These products were packaged in a single production facility. During routine FDA testing, a single lot tested positive for the presence of Salmonella.

There have been no reports of pet or human illness associated with this product. In an abundance of caution, Natura is voluntarily recalling all products with expiration dates prior to June 10, 2014.

What to Do?

Consumers who have purchased the specific dry pet foods listed should discard them.

For further information or a product replacement or refund, call Natura toll free at 800-224-6123, Monday–Friday, 8:00 AM to 5:30 PM CT.

You can report complaints about FDA-regulated pet food products by calling the consumer complaint coordinator in your area.

Or go to http://www.fda.gov/petfoodcomplaints.

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  • Lee

    California Natural was sold by p&g to MMMars … The makers of Kibble and Bits.

  • http://www.fifileigh.webnode.com/ fifi leigh

    thanks. i hate p&g, that company is garbage. i wish p&g would run out of business.

  • Goldendoodle Mom

    Buy Pro Plan….never been recalled and as long as your dog doesn’t have a chicken allergy, it’s a fine food.

  • SieYa

    Look into Orijin, Acana foods…. Their practices are incredible!

  • Sie Ya

    natura was purchased by P&G… it is no longer considered a premium food by pet food stores and the brands have been dropped by a lot of stores!

  • Sugar

    Hi Mario, I know you posted this yesterday and I have not seen it. Sorry, but yes Nature Variety is a very good company. It looks like that this is the best dog food you seem to be able to get in Mexico. Great that there is a way to order it from Walmart via website and you probably can pick it up at the store, so shipping is free! They have been decent, in my opinion. It seems a lot of dogs do well on the food. It is def. much better and safer than Diamond, in my opinion.

  • Betsy Greer

    Hi Mario,

    You found a couple more good options! Of the two you mentioned, I’d definitely choose Natures Variety Prairie first. Too bad the website doesn’t carry instinct. If you ask, they might be able to special order it for you.

    Pro Pac isn’t a bad choice, although it contains corn.

    Why not try both and rotate them?

  • mario

    i have been checked in some walmart but no, i found pro pac and nature variety prairie in a website!! between them what do you recommend me!! nature variety prairie no instinct or pro pac i guess that are better tan diamond eukanuba or hills, thanks for your time to help and answer my questions!!

  • Betsy Greer

    I wonder what Diamond plant manufacturers the Diamond products in Mexico?

    Diamond Naturals is a good food, its only downfall is that it’s made by Diamond. If it were me, I’d give it a shot. If you decide to do that, just be very vigilant in your purchasing and storage and closely monitor the product and your dogs while you’re feeding the product. You already sound like you would be!

  • Sugar

    As I said Walmart carry this new brand Pure balance. Have you checked at walmart to see if they have it?

  • mario

    i called them and No, they only sale on US, for example in mexico has been open the first petco, a lot of people, were happy with the notice expecting great product but the best dog food that they sale its diamond naturals, in petco mexico so imagine!! the unique thing that i could do its pay the orijen bag in 200 dlls but imagine the cost every month if i have 1 lab and 4 schnauzer!!! thats my question,what i should do, give dogwood with one star o give with 4 or 5 star but with recall or pay orijen or acana expensive!!! what will you do?

  • Fripperton

    Sounds good. Thank you.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Pure Balance is an ‘Ol Roy food – it’s definitely been recalled. Freshpet hasn’t though.

  • Sugar

    Are you able to get Pure balance or Fresh Pet at Walmart in Mexico? They seem to be decent foods, at least no recalls so far as I know.

  • Sugar

    I don’t know what to tell you, but dogs do well right now on Diamond. Even though they did have lots of recalls, right now they do seem fine; it is possible that they have improved their quality, but it is always a risk buying from a company with recall patterns.
    Have you ever tried buy dog food from http://www.petfooddirect.com and see if they ship it to Mexico for you? I know that they ship to Germany.

  • mario

    i know that, but in our case what´s worst give evo for one recall or hills, eukanuba or pedigree, thats de big problem that we don’t have that opportunity to choose, we have to give to ours dogs bad dog food or with many recalls like diamond, kirklan or if you are really lucky evo or tow!! what is worst hills with corn, soy and extra grain or evo, tow but with recalls, that my doubt

  • mario

    Farmina doesn’t exist in mexico, for us just eukanuba, royal, hills are super premium and exist like another hundred but like pedigree,i found one people how import evo very expensive but its the only way to give this kind of food to my dogs!! i really want to buy orijen but its really expensive !if you found it!!! thank you!! since Mexico City!!

  • Dave’s Hounds

    I would go with Diamond off that list – I thought Farmina was available in Mexico?

  • Sugar

    You’re right! I would not feed a dog food that had a recall either! The FDA usually tells them to do a voluntary recall or else…it is usually a quality problem.

  • Mario

    That’s the only dog food 5 star that I can buy in Mexico to good cost, I know about the recall!! Do you know if at this time, I won’t have problems with my dogs? In other case in Mexico just sale eukanuba,pro plan,hills or diamond as a super premium dog food !! I would like it use this dog food but I am nervious for the recalls

  • Betsy Greer

    I just started using EVO for the first time. I’m just as cautious with it as I would be with any other kibble. The bonus, Sam loves it and is doing great on it.

  • Pattyvaughn

    Now may be the best time to buy Evo, because they will be scrutinizing everything closely in light of the recent recall. But I certainly understand caution in these circumstances. I personally don’t worry at all about salmonella. Healthy dogs can handle it. My dogs’ favorite find is roadkill toads and they never get sick. But for myself, every time I handle dog food, I treat it like I have handled raw meat and clean and wash accordingly, because if anyone is going to get sick from salmonella, it is going to be the human.

  • Fripperton

    Petco said that they stopped carrying Inova because of 5 recent recalls. Even though “voluntary” it was salmanela. Now I am frigtened to purchase Evo.

  • Pattyvaughn

    This is from June.

  • Fripperton

    WTF? Again? Proctor adn Gamble destroyed these brands!

  • Pattyvaughn

    My local paper just ran a big story on a local mainstream Dr that has just started doing these. Basically, they say that the FMT won’t work if the donor doesn’t have the same type diet, because diet affects what probiotics can survive. Where have I heard that one before?

  • Betsy Greer

    OK, I gotta google this one. A fecal transplant can only mean one thing and I have never heard of it before.

    Tell us more, geezervet63!

  • geezervet63

    Those of you with intractable food allergy problems, might want to discuss a fecal transplant with your veterinarian. Processed foods have really screwed up the optimal gut flora of dogs and cats. There is no arguable reason a dog or cat should be allergic to meat.

  • InkedMarie

    I feed NV over NB any day. I want meat to be the first ingredient, not potato

  • Storm’s Mom

    Wysong Epigen Fish is another option. Otherwise, I would second the Back to Basics High Protein recommendation (the “Pork” formula would work), and the Nature’s Variety LID recommendation before I would ever recommend Natural Balance LID.

    Like with Pattyvaughn’s dog, my guy is intolerant of chicken but is just fine with eggs. If you haven’t already, you might want to try one with egg, but none of the other problematic ingredients, to see if egg really IS a problem ingredient. If would open up more options if egg isn’t a problem

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    Nature’s Variety also has LID formulas – only 5 ingredients. You can also feed this in rotation to the Natural Balance.

  • Pattyvaughn

    Sorry, you didn’t have carrots or yeast on your list. My dog that doesn’t tolerate chicken has no problems with eggs at all, so I keep forgeting about them. In fact mine get eggs every single day.

  • DMaria Woods

    I spent the last hour checking the ingredients in Earthbound, Nature Valley and Natures Logic and all have eggs, carrots and yeast. However, Natural Balance – Sweet potato and Salmon, may workout for her since this product doesn’t include eggs, carrots or yeast. Thanks for the help.

  • Eldee

    Back to Basics… turkey, pork or duck has no potato, no gluten, no grains, Add a teaspoon of coconut oil for small dogs, 2 teaspoons for large.

  • mfulton7

    I am going to check this out. Thanks so much!!

  • DMaria Woods

    Thank you so much. I will try today.

  • Pattyvaughn

    Earthborn Holistic, Nature’s Variety Instinct, and Nature’s Logic all have foods without those ingredients. Allergies are such a bear to deal with. Good luck!

  • DMaria Woods

    My dog and I are up the creek without a paddle. Natura had been the best product for my sensitive pet and now we are suffering through allergic reactions to Blue Buffalo and Simply Nourish. We’ve tried just about everything … can’t have corn, beef, chicken, potatoes or rice. My poor dear has a constant internal itch and is pulling out her hair. I will try canned California Natural – Salmon and Green Peas – if I can find it.

  • Pattyvaughn

    If you think the Dobie is going to be large breed size, then here is some info on the issues with feeding large breed dogs.

    http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/forums/topic/large-and-giant-breed-puppy-nutrition/
    On page 15 there is a list of foods that are appropriate for large breed puppies, as long as you find one with small sized kibble, it is safe for your little one too.

  • Pattyvaughn

    Good point! Most Dobies are actually medium breed sized, but certain lines are rather large, so that needs to be taken into consideration. While it’s completely safe for a small breed to be fed a large breed food, the reverse is not true. So if they think the Dobie might be large, better safe that sorry!!

    My Dobie was only about 40 lbs. But one of the vets I worked for had and 80 lbs male.

  • Storm’s Mom

    Dobes are considered large breed dogs, though, aren’t they?

  • Pattyvaughn

    Puppies poop more often than adult dogs. They are getting smaller multiple meals so they have smaller multiple poops. A dog that is fed once a day may still poop 2 or 3 times a day. So a puppy being fed 3 times a day pooping 6 times is not all that odd. As long as the food is an All Life Stages food then they both can eat it.

  • mfulton7

    We switched from nutrisource before the shihtzu mix was diagnosed with an autoimmune disease called pemphigus. The vet wanted her on a LID food just in case it was an allergy.
    So I guess its wishful thinking on finding a food that will wok for all my dogs?
    Im feeding the dobe 3 times a day maybe 1 and a half cups a day. Someone told me that if they poo that much then the food is not working for them.

  • Storm’s Mom

    Why did you switch from Nutrsource? It really is among the best values out there for dog food, and, like Betsy said, has several formulae you could rotate around.

    Wellness CORE has a new “Wild Game” formula you could check out: http://www.wellnesspetfood.com/product-details.aspx?pet=dog&pid=157#ingredients

    Storm’s currently doing really well on GO!’s new Grain-Free Turkey recipe, but not sure how available that is in the US.

    Neither of the above are appropriate for a large breed puppy, though, so not an option for the Dobe. Maybe try feeding the Dobe less to see if that clears up her frequently pooping?

  • mfulton7

    Okay. Thank you :)

  • mfulton7

    Betsey, We tried the nutrisource and it seemed fine. Since then we had switched to a new vet and she suggested trying a L.I.D. food. We tried natural balance and then signature. She seemed to fine on both of those BUT within the same time frame we found out she has an autoimmune disease called pemphigus and is being treated with pred to clear that up. She is improving which is good. BUT now Im noticing she poos 3 times a day plus we brought a Doberman puppy in our home last week and she poos 6+ times a day on the Zignature. She literally poos right after she eats at least twice within 10min time frame. We had her stool checked and that was negative therefore I know she doesn’t have any parasites causing the poos. All this being said what would you suggest we try now? I prefer to keep all my babies on the same food if possible. Also some ingredient in totw makes my shihtzu mix very ill. She got ahold of an old bag we had and was vomiting everywhere. It was awful. The natural balance we had sweet potato and salmon she did fine on that and the zignature is trout & salmon and she tolerates that fine also. Someone at the pet store suggested From but that is a little pricey. $72 for a lg bag. Thanks for all your help!! I am so lost!

  • somebodysme

    If you go over to the forum section, there is a huge long thread dedicated to large breed puppy feeding. That’s where I’d suggest you go and read and ask questions if you have any more. http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/forums/topic/large-and-giant-breed-puppy-nutrition/

  • mfulton7

    I know that but it contains a lot of peas and I just didn’t think it was that great for a medium-large breed puppy.

  • somebodysme

    Zignature is All Life Stages.

  • mfulton7

    I have another question. We have had Willow on Natural Balance LID sweet potato & fish. She did great on that. I then switched her to Zignature trout & salmon and she is doing great on that as well. I did try TOTW again and she started throwing up after a week. I will NEVER again try that food or any diamond dog food at that. That being said I have 2 other dogs a Chihuahua and my husband just brought home a fawn Doberman that is 7 wks. I am currently feeding all of them the Zignature and all seem to be doing fine. Is this ok to feed a Doberman puppy? I would like to keep them all on the same food. Are there any other foods that could work for all of my dogs? Ive tried researching this and it is so overwhelming! I don’t want to spend a fortune on dog food either. Maybe at most $35-40 for a 15-25lb bag of dog food. If its cheaper to buy the bigger bag Id do that as well.

  • mfulton7

    Thank you Kathy. I asked the vet about it and she said we will definitely be watching for it. Fingers crossed she doesn’t.

  • Kathy Jager

    FYI mfulton7-have your vet watch your dog for signs of Cushings..dogs on prednisone for long periods of time can get Cushings disease from it.. Just found out that my 11 1/2 yo lab has Cushings and found this info while getting info for treatment of my lab.

  • Pattyvaughn

    Wow! I’m so sorry to hear that. I hope you have really good results with the treatment.

  • mfulton7

    I just wanted to give you all an update on my pup. We found out she has a rare disease called pemphigus vulgaris :( We will be trying a strong course of pred for a week to see if it helps if not we have to sort through all our other options. Thank you all for all of your helpful advice I appreciate it :)

  • 110555

    Not long ago canned as well as dry cat and dog foods were recalled. I am about ready to not purchase anymore Innova products. This is ridiculous.

  • Shawn

    Has anyone received their refund for products from Natura for the June 2013 recall? I have not yet and it has been almost 2 months.

  • JustCallMe_Mr.ido!!!

    Some people are just trying to cash in.

  • JustCallMe_Mr.ido!!!

    No The petsmart near me said it hasn’t and I saw it on the shelves 3 days ago.

  • Vanessa

    If there is any of the food available in the store then it should be food that is not a part of the recall. All the affected food in the store would have been taken off the shelves.

    That said, I will not be feeding my pets this brand again. This is the second time their food has been recalled just this year alone. (Recalled in March, expanded the recall in April, Recalled again in June). That’s just too many times for me to ever trust with my pet’s health again.

  • Effie C

    Just left Petsmart and they said the canned has been recalled as well. Anyone else hear this?

  • Hound Dog Mom

    The canned products were not recalled and unless the cans were damaged it would be next to impossible for bacteria to survive the canning process. Did you send the food to a lab to have it tested?

  • julie

    I bought a few cans of innova cat and kitten food we have 3 cats 2 of them got sick drooling and stopped eating for two days. Ended up taking one to the vet got an antibiotic and pain med. He had swollen glands in his mouth my guess it’s from bacteria in the food. Won’t buy innova ever again sticking with Blue buffalo.

  • Bluedogs

    Our dog got sick from eating Innova. We used it for years as it was once a quality food. She had diarrhea with a lot of mucus and blood and it cost us over $400 to treat her and our other dog. We will be submitting our vet bill and the Dr.’s diagnosis of Salmonella soon. When this happened (about a month or so ago), I Googled recalls and sure enough Innova had just been recalled. We will never use it again.

  • Pattyvaughn

    They are still claiming no dogs got sick on this food.

  • JT akaTHE DOG FATHER

    As a pet owner and store store owner, I’ve been told that there’s an offer/coupon this Sundays paper for Calif Natural.
    This is generous offer they say…. $10 off via coupon once you buy 1 bag and send the upc in / the coupon. YOU”ll get back a $10 coupon on your next purcashe. MHO not enough not soon enough and if you know P&G. absoultely no admittance of guilt !

  • Renee
  • Hound Dog Mom

    I believe it’s over, I just was able to get some EVO treats last week.

  • 4mydogs

    Who knows but they’ve had quite a few in the past 6months. I’m not going back!

  • Slimtiffy

    is this recall over? i have switched my dog to another brand during the recall and just wondering if it ended?

  • Pattyvaughn

    Just so you know, it should have been a recall, but Great Life thought that being able to put “No Recalls” on their bags was more important than your dogs health. And they are known for not following labeling guidelines. Personally, I wouldn’t feed their food.

  • DENISE

    hi mfulton! I wouldnt do TOTW my dogs got sick on it 2mnths ago bad diarhea n vomiting, the store didint even ask for the bag back they gave me a full refund, After trying some good foods Merrick, Natures Variety etc i now have my dogs on the BEST DOG FOOD ive ever found called Great Life, the owner of a top small hi end pet store here in north tx told me all about this food n drove 8hrs just 2 pick up like 2dz 30lb bags which sold out in 2wks.,The companys(formerly in Calif,also known as Pioneer) been bought by a great Vet here in Tx but they dont sell too many good pet stores outside of Calif yet cause they need to raise production to handle all the requests n orders coming from this part of the country n so they r taking orders but cant ship to my part of Tx so the owner of my store found a outside shipper to ship his nxt order,in meantime i placed a rush order on their website
    .**PLZ LOOK AT THEIR WEBSITE “GREAT LIFE PET FOOD” *THE mgr of a huge pet outlet store that carries only premium food looked at the website n just told me that no food that they carry compares to this foods ingredients n the percentage analysis.*COOLEST part 4 me is the stool is unlike anything u ever saw,its smaller,very firm but turns to ash when broken so no small, no mess!! Good luck with whatever u try!!(hope its Great Life!( Hugs Denise~Bear & Ms Muffins mommy)

  • 4mydogs

    If you’re not going to use them, why give them to someone whose dog may get sick. I would send them back and say no thanks or throw them away.

  • Kikki

    P&G sent another letter along with 2 coupons. The first was for 1 free small bag of Innova and the second was $10 off any Innova bag. Don’t think I’m going back to Natura but it would be a waste to throw away the coupons. Says void if transferred, sold or auctioned and my name is on the coupon, would the store check ID? Would like to give the coupons away.

  • Pattyvaughn

    They had llamas and goats too!

  • Betsy Greer

    Is that funny… you know you’re obsessed with dog food when you travel half-way across the country and end up in a pet supply store! I was probably there, one aisle over. ; )

  • Pattyvaughn

    Perdue is a great school too.
    BTW, while I was in Chicago, I got to visit a couple of your pet supply stores and they were very nicely stocked with quality dog food. Not like down here, where a nicely stocked store means they carry some formulas of 3 different brands. One of the stores we went to had more Orijen than there is dog food in one of our whole stores.

  • Betsy Greer

    My daughter goes to a Catholic school and scrip is our primary fundraiser. Scrip are essentially prepaid gift cards that we buy at face value and a specific percentage of each is paid to the school and goes toward my fundraising obligation. It’s a heck of a lot easier than selling expensive wrapping paper and fattening chocolate!

    I have realized in the past year how incredibly fortunate I am to have access to so many great pet stores to shop at and the access that I have to specialized veterinary care. I graduated from Purdue and we have so many veterinary specialists in my area… it makes it easy to be obsessed with dogs and dog stuff!

    Hey HDM, if you want to check out the Purdue veterinary school, I’ve got a spare bedroom!

  • InkedMarie

    What does shop with scrip mean? I’d love to shop locally more often but it’s a 40 min drive to the store that carries alot.

  • mfulton7

    Oh okay. That could be Ill keep that in mind. Thanks :)

  • Betsy Greer

    That’s great! They can probably provide you with more information that your vet could regarding a raw diet. : )

  • Pattyvaughn

    Just so you are aware, probiotics are damaged by normal warehouse storage conditions, so even though probiotics were added that is not a guarantee that they will be viable when your dog eats the food. If your dog needs probiotics adding them as you feed is your best bet.

  • mfulton7

    I will keep that in mind for sure BetsyGreer. I think that the store I’m going to be getting her food from is a pet bakery also so I was going to ask them about the raw diet and compare prices.

  • mfulton7

    I also noticed that the Zignature does not have probiotics either. Which I wanted a food that has that with all of the issues she has going on. I am going to get the NutriSource plus I have the $2 off coupon as well.

  • Betsy Greer

    Hi mfulton7,

    Lots of vets aren’t thrilled with a raw diet. Vets don’t get a lot of training in nutrition for some reason. At least yours seemed somewhat open to the idea. That’s a start! But also remember that it’s your choice, not your vets.

    Raw is definitely more expensive, but would probably be ideal for your pup. Kibble is easier, that’s for sure. You could always supplement your dog’s kibble with whole foods; ie: fresh lean meats, raw or lightly cooked eggs, fresh cooked vegetables and tinned sardines. Just keep the raw toppers to no more than 20% of your pup’s diet and make sure to reduce the amount of kibble to compensate for the additional calories from the toppers. You might consider a commercially prepared raw diet if you go that route, I personally use and recommend Darwin’s.

  • Betsy Greer

    Personally, I’d still go with the NutriSource because my grain and white potato free guy can’t do chickpeas, which Zignature contains. They’re fairly comparable otherwise, and the Zignature doesn’t contain the salmon meal that the NutriSource does. My guess is, if your guy has a food allergy, it’s probably not to fish or egg though. Protein and fat are the same in both products.

  • Betsy Greer

    I shop with scrip through my daughter’s school, which is one of a few reasons I buy local. The other reasons are because I need something right now and to patronize local businesses. That said, still I do the overwhelming majority of my shopping online also.

  • mfulton7

    I called the store and they do carry the NutriSource :) but the lady kept trying to push Zignature (Sp?) She says its grain free potato free egg free do you all recommend this one?

  • mfulton7

    We have not seen a holistic vet. Although I did ask the vet about a raw diet a few times he suggested switching to the lamb first. He didn’t seem to fond of the raw diet idea. I think that I will try the NutriSource first and if her issues continue then I will definitely check into the raw diet for her.

  • mfulton7

    Thanks for the tip inkedmarie!

  • Pattyvaughn

    I wonder if the size changes depending on what plant it comes from.

  • InkedMarie

    It wouldn’t hurt to go to these sites, all at dot com: PetFlow, DoggieFood, wag, PetFoodDirect and Chewy.

    On their website, you can sign up for emails. Do that because you will get all their sales, percentages off, etc. Even if you are able to order locally, you may find a great deal online. I do sometimes buy locally but that store is 40min away, so kinda/sorta local LOL

  • Hound Dog Mom

    That is weird. I always remember Taste of the Wild as having small kibbles. Some people have been noticing frequent changes in their ingredients and I don’t think the company has the best quality control so this doesn’t really surprise me.

  • Kikki

    The Primitive Natural kibble is decent size for 3 my medium sized dogs but they’ll eat any sized kibble honestly. My biggest beef when it comes to kibble sizes is probably with TOTW. I first bought a medium sized bag of High Prairie with good kibble size. Then I received some samples with TINY kibbles. Then lastly, I ordered a big bag of the Wetland formula and the kibbles were huge. Seems pike the kibble size on TOTW is totally random or the kibbles get bigger depending on which bag size you buy.

  • Betsy Greer

    Hmm, it does sound as though if it’s indeed puppy strangles, it should be possible to definitely diagnose it through pathology. Were any of the vets you consulted with holistic vets by chance? Poor little thing must really be hurting. My pup first had some health issues following his first round of puppy shots – I wonder if your pup’s condition was in any way related to / caused by vaccines. You might want to consider titres in the future in lieu of routine vaccinations.

    I would stick with grain free foods. You don’t need to give her anything that could cause any sort of inflammation at all. Personally, I would go ahead with the NutriSource GF Lamb you’re looking at. I bet a holistic vet would want you to consider a raw diet. Would that be a consideration for you at all?

  • mfulton7

    I think you ladies figured it out for me :) I am definitely going to pick up a bag tomorrow. I’m so glad I found this site. Thanks again!

  • Betsy Greer

    ITA! That’s exactly what I was thinking, too.

  • Storm’s Mom

    My guess is that the real culprit for mfulton7’s dog is potato not fish. The NutriSource GF Lamb would actually be a good test …if there’s no issue, that would point to the potato. I’d rather suggest a potato-free, fish inclusive option to try first rather than suggesting a fish-based, potato-inclusive food be tried.

  • mfulton7

    She was diagnosed with puppy strangles at 10wks or so. I wasn’t convinced so I took her to a few different vets got several different diagnosis, then the last vet confirmed puppy strangles. She was treated with prednisone for a month or so. When we started weaning her off the steroids her scabs and ear inflammation came back. Vet put her on antibiotics for 14 days. Well scabs got worse and we went to seem him again and he thinks the strangles may not be gone so he wants to try prednisone for 2 months. Just in case you don’t know what strangles is Ill give you some info. She has thick scabs/pustules all around her eyes, on her nose, under her chin, a few in her ears, lips are ulcerated, ears have just a couple pustules, she has a portion of her nose that changed to a whitish pink color, scabs on her behind area and private then a few on her belly. She also sleeps a lot and when she does its almost like she’s completely out of it because she doesn’t flinch when we walk by. Before the prednisone she was itching her face horribly and then she would cry because it hurt. Then she would itch her body and lick her paws. We’ve tried a few different kinds of TOTW and then Diamond Naturals thinking it was a food allergy but nothing ever changed. Vet thinks she still has strangles wants to treat her for two months (she looks pretty bad) then if it comes back he knows that is either allergies or auto immune disease such as lupus. He did tell us that both of those are rare in a puppy but then again a relapse of puppy strangles is rare as well. As of right now she’s getting her energy back starting to play more ect but she still is not eating hardly at all. I’m not sure if its because she’s been so sick or if its the TOTW.

  • Betsy Greer

    Uh oh, going back through the past couple of days of this conversation, I’m thinking you’re trying to avoid fish and the NutriSource GF lamb contains salmon meal.

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    I fed TOTW about 2 years ago so it might have changed size by now but back then the TOTW Pacific Stream was more like the Nutrisource Heartland Select size (round and flat) versus more like a pea size (Nutrisource GF Lamb). Wellness Core Original and Reduced Fat are bigger kibbles. The Wellness Core Ocean is medium sized. Core is more triangular in shape.

  • mfulton7

    Would you say its the same size as TOTW? We tried Diamond Naturals and those were bigger than TOTW and they seemed to do well with those. JW.

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    The GF Lamb kibble is smaller than the Heartland Select BTW.

  • mfulton7

    Thanks for the info! I didn’t even think about checking for coupons.

  • Betsy Greer

    Dang iPad…

    Text “SOURCE” to 55678, to enter to win a free bag and if you don’t win, you’ll end up with a $2 coupon at a minimum.

  • Betsy Greer

    You bet!

    I can’t do white potato either – we end up with yeast issues for my Golden if he eats white potato. Also, FWIW, Nature’s Logic contains millet, which is a bit different than most grains. It’s considered a pseudo grain and is gluten free. But, I’d probably steer clear of it right now in fair of the NutriSource, especially if you’re already feeding grain free and you’re trying to rule something out.

    Oh, and I forgot to mention, NutriSource has a loyalty rewards program – buy 12, get one free. You’ll probably need to buy it from a pet store (versus online) in order to take advantage of the offer. And, if you text “SOURCE” to 55678, you can enter. To win a free bag and if