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Zach M
MemberIs this a good topper for dog food? If so how much do i give a 52 pound dog? Also, how much better would it be if i gave sardines and veggies as a topper? Thanks in advance!
Zach M
MemberAnd anything I could do to make kibble better let me know.
crazy4cats
ParticipantHi Zach-
I am not familiar with Primal turkey and sardine. But, Iām all in favor of boosting kibble with a topper. Have you checked out Steve Brownās website, See Spot Live Longer? He has written a few books on home made food and dog nutrition. He also has a download that is only $2.95 that spells out how to supplement kibble with fresh and raw foods. Such as eggs, sardines, veges, fruits and organs. I top my pups kibble with either canned, dehydrated, frozen raw nuggets, eggs or sardines every meal. Have fun with it!Hound Dog Mom
ParticipantHi Zach ā
Primalās raw formulas could certainly be used as a topper to boost the quality of kibble. You could also use tinned sardines and fresh veggies. The benefits of using the Primal would be that itās a complete and balanced food so you could add as much as you wanted and itās raw however, canned sardines and fresh cooked veggies would still be a good boost and would certainly be cheaper. If you go with the Primal, like I said, you can add as much as you want because itās complete and balanced ā just be sure the reduce the amount of kibble heās receiving accordingly. If youāre feeding sardines and veggies, it should account for no more than 10% of your dogās calories.
Zach M
MemberThanks guys! I was just curious. I do have the ABC way book. That is where i got the idea of sardines.
Zach M
MemberIm thinking about going with duck, but i have a question, what is the difference between the freeze dried and the frozen raw. The frozen raw is so much cheaper. Just wondering. Oh, btw, the ingredients are nearly identical.
pugmomsandy
ParticipantThe freeze drying process makes it more expensive. I would like to buy a freeze dryer, but theyāre at least $10,000! @@ So I bought a full size upright freezer instead (on sale) to store all the frozen raw! The difference is in freeze-dried food, the moisture is removed and the product is shelf stable.
Zach M
MemberHow long does frozen raw last then?
Zach M
MemberOr does it last a long time as long as it is kept in the freezer, where as freeze dried is shelf stable?
pugmomsandy
ParticipantCommercial frozen products have a best-by date on them. But I also buy bulk meaty bones and chew bones and other meats and plain organs so I use them up within a year. Dogs can eat freezer burned items as well. The items with fruits and veggies in them donāt have a very long shelf life even frozen since the enzymes start working on the food.
Barbara O
MemberI feed Primal chickenā¦only because itās the only one Toby will eatā¦He has done exceedingly well on it..Iāve fed him Instinct frozen but Primal has some veggies in itā¦this is not a dogā¦this is a genetā¦My friend feeds the Duck Primal mixed into the kibble she feedsā¦it has made a great difference in the dogās healthā¦It has a rare disease and this food has prolonged the dogās lifeā¦The medicine alone runs her about $200.00 a monthā¦so sheās picky about what she feeds. I cannot say enough good about Primalā¦and Instinct also..I do Great Dane rescue and all dogs are differentā¦The one Iāve adopted is a triple recessiveā¦he will be prone to skin and hair disordersā¦so Iām trying to meet this head onā¦the other Danes Iāve had the past year loved raw veggies, raw bones and their kibble.The woofed their feed down, whereas Roger is a slow eater. Just use common horse sense with your dogsā¦Make sure they get enough fat as most foods limit this or use an inferior oilā¦salmon oil is bestā¦they need the DHAā¦most oils are omega 6 that you find in their feedā¦just rememberā¦eliminate wheat, soy and cornā¦these are inferior feeds for our domestic animals..they are carnivores, kin to wolves, and need animal proteinā¦they are not kin to cowsā¦which are omnivoresā¦.
Zach M
MemberThanks guys!
cindy q
ParticipantSo is Primal frozen cheaper than freeze dried? I just started using primal and I bought the frezze dried thinking it would be cheaper and also because I canāt find the frozen near me. I can order it online, but I was afraid of it thawing since I work all day.
Zach M
MemberWell, i decided to switch off with duck recipe. I ordered 3 lbs or frozen online for just 20 dollars, where as the freeze dried was the same price for 14 ounces.
cindy q
ParticipantZach M. Where did you order online?
Zach M
MemberI ordered from only natural pet. The shipping is pricey 8dollars and i should of mentioned that. The shipping is also slow. It is worth it to me though.
Zach M
MemberOops. Wrong website. I orser other treats from there. I ordered it from wag
Zach M
MemberShould i go with pronto or go with the frozen raw nuggets? From my understanding they are practically the same. What do you guys think?
Hound Dog Mom
ParticipantPrimal Pronto is the same as all their other foods, the only difference is that the nuggets are smaller so it thaws faster.
Zach M
MemberOK, thanks! I thought they were the same, but I was just wondering. I think next time iām going with pronto turkey and sardine, and rotating it with duck. Thanks for all the help.
cindy q
ParticipantZach, I couldnāt find any frozen primal on Wag.com only freeze dried? Also does anyone know if its ok to mix raw (primal) with kibble? Someone who sells raw gave me paper work on raw and it said not to mix raw and kibble because they digest them differently.
Barbara O
MemberI got several posts on the subject of Primal..I feed the Primal frozenā¦It is raw meat and veggiesā¦with supplements added. It is manufactured in a facility that passes inspection for human food manufactureā¦The product is wonderful. I have a small spotted genet that eats it daily. I have mixed it in cat kibble and dog kibbleā¦My friend has a dog that is very picky and it is a big dogā¦she mixes the duck with the kibble and the dog eats it like candy⦠I travel with it frozen. If you order it frozenā¦order as much as you can affordā¦that way the shipping will be cheaper. Check your local feed storesā¦those that carry dog and cat foodā¦Alsoā¦check with any of your pet shops. Iāve found it in odd places when we travel. When they ship it, it is packed in dry iceā¦I order organic, grass fed beef for my husband and me and it is shipped from the midwest to hot Arizona in Julyā¦always comes completely frozenā¦ready for my freezer. By adding the Primal to the diet, you are assured of getting everything your animal needsā¦and you can add your own fruits and veggies to the foodā¦I am assured the kibble, even if it is plant based, meets my Daneās and genetās needsā¦and they both are shiny and healthy. Have been raising and caring for animals longer than many of you have been aliveā¦have a heavy background in animal nutrition in my undergraduate degree plus a few vet courses under my belt as well as human food chemistry coursesā¦have tried to stay up with the researchā¦Donāt believe everything your vet tells youā¦any vet that tells me how good Science Diet is, I run away fromā¦.Am fortunate I have a vet that has taken care of all my exotics and will call over the US getting answers to questions we might both haveā¦have raised raccoon, ring tails, Fennec foxesā¦had some of the oldest in captivityā¦due to diligence in dietā¦.both were spoiled petsā¦.a animal fed a well balanced diet with added good oils and digestive enzymes, etc., is one whoās immune system is going to keep them healthyā¦.Rememberā¦corn, wheat and soy are not good for dogsā¦and raw bones to gnaw on are a blessingā¦cleans teeth and gives them B vitamins they needā¦.They donāt have people stomachsā¦they have a straight tube so donāt give them too much variety at a timeā¦.They are a carnivoreā¦.not a cowā¦they have teeth for tearingā¦not for grindingā¦Andā¦.when the diet is high in protein and low in carbohydrate, the back yard is much easier to cleanā¦
Zach M
MemberThanks for the answers. I was planning on mixing the duck and turkey and sardine recipes with the wellness core large breed. I have to ask, is that okay? And is the large breed ok for a 50-55 pound dog?
cindy q
ParticipantThanks so much for all the info Barbara O! can I ask what kibble you mix primal with?
Dori
MemberWow Barbara O. Very impressive background you have. Love all the different animals you have been able to help also. My question is what digestive enzyme do you add to Primal Raw (I also feed Primal Raw to my three dogs)? How often do you add it to their meals? I feed them twice a day. Do you feed any other commercial raw diets to your dogs and do you rotate your proteins as well as brands? Thanks.
Barbara O
MemberIf youāll read, I believe they have a digestive enzymeā¦I feed twice a day alsoā¦but I either add in the AM or the PMā¦.He gets his salmon oil in the morningsā¦I usually give him his glucosamine in the eveningā¦I was giving him Costco pills but he would spit them out so I ordered the dog liquid from Vita Costā¦then I discovered I could put the two pills in a jigger of water and they would be completely dissolved by the time I fedā¦
I rotate my brandsā¦.but I always feed grain free to all my animalsā¦including my catsā¦I have a Maine coon cat and a Savannahā¦which is a cross between an African cat and a domestic catā¦They also get canned food and some Primal..I donāt feed Primal to Roger all the timeā¦because he gets raw bonesā¦If he didnāt get these, he would get some Primal every dayā¦remember, his cousin, the wolf, eats raw meat every dayā¦Iām at work right now but Iāll look at the digestive enzyme I have at homeā¦Toby, my genet, had a case of pancreatitis at Christmas, and I started him on the enzymes after he recoveredā¦Iāll get the nameā¦
I feed the canned Costco no grain dog food mixed in with the kibble, also. It gets a 5ā¦Natural Instinct is wonderfulā¦I fed the grain free by Merrickā¦canāt think of the name, and he really liked it. Iām feeding a grain free now and I wonāt buy it again, but I bought it in a pinchā¦maybe called Natural Balanceā¦really having to boost it with meat. Tomorrow I will pick up a bag of Costco Grain free salmonā¦.To this I add an egg at each feedingā¦the perfect protein for both man and beastā¦.I havenāt fed thisā¦my vet said to be careful feeding chickenā¦you will need to add fat to itā¦So if I buy Costco, Iāll just buy the salmon or beef grain free and add more proteinā¦since it is a plant based feedā¦The vet said it is a good feed, thoughā¦better than most and very budget friendlyā¦of course, I spend the difference on the things I addā¦I like Taste of the Wildā¦.it is a 4 and is plant based, though many of the vets here love itā¦and Danes need to keep watch on the protein due to their size and jointsā¦they grow awfully fast, and Roger is about a year old. He has never had a problem with me just switching brands..no stomach upsets, etcā¦Just use common sense and ask yourself, would I want someone to switch my diet around all the time? Iāve been taking in orphan animals, raising wildlife, doing wildlife rehab work since I was about 16 or 17, and thatās a long, long time. If I ever learn how to post pictures on this site, will send some before and after pics of the Danes Iāve rescuedā¦and will send a pic of the fennecs and our little Tasmanian monster, Toby the genet.
Barbara O
MemberYesā¦you can feed Primal with just about anythingā¦Andā¦I think the large animal feed is mostly the size of the biscuitā¦look at the back of the package and compare the medium/large size analysisā¦I think theyāre the sameā¦I know for little dogs, the bites are much smallerā¦like a catās size. My friend mixes her Duck Primal with her kibbleā¦her dog is on medication which is costlyā¦prone to seizures, etcā¦and this food has given her a 2nd lifeā¦much more energy, walks twice a dayā¦and is ready to go, even our AZ heatā¦.
Ohā¦I also feed Natureās Instinct raw food, as well. The reason I stick with the Primal for Toby is due to the veggies in itā¦he wonāt eat fruit or veggiesā¦so I sneak them into his diet this wayā¦You can find Natural Instinct frozen, when you cannot find the Primal.. I bought it in my home town in Texas, but they didnāt have Primalā¦and itās very goodā¦so donāt be afraid to feed itā¦you can probably feed a little frozen mixed veggiesā¦you dog will pass the corn whole but the other veggies will be mostly digestedā¦you can feed a little apple, also. My vet has had me add cottage cheeseā¦donāt go overboard and plain Greek Yogurtā¦ā¦as well as Kefirā¦plainā¦this will help with digestion,.
cindy q
ParticipantBarbara, my dogs (standard poodle 10 mos. & toy poodle 9 years) love grrek yogurt & cottage cheese I only feed them a little bit the standard about a tablespoon and the toy about a teaspoon a few times a week. Is this something they can have everyday?
Barbara O
MemberMy vet says it isā¦the female Danes I had would eat it anytime I would give it to themā¦Roger wonāt eat itā¦Any time Iāve had a dog with problemsā¦the vet would always recommend these two things, as well as aloe veraā¦I donāt use low fat or nonfat because dogs, like us need fatā¦One of the problems with most dry food is that they are lacking in good fatsā¦mostly cheap Omega 6s instead of good quality omega 3sā¦
My vet would have me put small amounts the periphery of the bowlā¦I would do cottage one time and then greek yogurt the next. i also fed broccoli, cauliflower, fresh or frozenā¦Some of the girls loved applesā¦and pearsā¦Their kibble was the base and then i would add somewhere between 1/2 to 1 cup of fruits and veggies to each mealā¦If you could see the before and after pics you wouldnāt believe they were the same dogsā¦they came to me and to other rescue workers emaciatedā¦you count every ribā¦one looked like someone had stretched hide over a skeletonā¦I refused to crate them..they tore up my back yard, but who caresā¦they played, got exercise and bondedā¦they went on to forever homes where people wanted them and loved themā¦these gentle giants are such good companionsā¦
Dont worry about feeding your dog something it lovesā¦just donāt overboard, which we all tend to doā¦If you think the dog is reacting to it, then back off a little and donāt feed it as oftenā¦.or as muchā¦Sounds youāre doing such a good jobā¦itās amazing to see some of the foods our dogs grow to loveā¦.
cindy q
ParticipantThankd so much for sharing Barbara.
Barbara O
MemberYou are so welcome. Please realize that Iām not that smartā¦itās called being older and learning from experience and readingā¦asking questions like you doā¦and using common horse sense when ruminating over the answers that people give you. I give a great deal of credence to people who have been around the block a few times and who spend time reading between the linesā¦Rememberā¦anyone can put stuff in print on the internetā¦I love books that are the printed word. When Toby developed pancreatitis, between my vet and a book I have on hand, we pulled him through. I wouldnāt be without the bookā¦It at least tells me what to do at home while Iām waiting to get an animal to the vetās officeā¦and some good tips after I goā¦I learned that we have to keep them hydrated but at the same time keep the pancreas still and not taxing itselfā¦.It was Christmas Day when Toby got sickā¦so weāve come a long way and weāve had no more problemsā¦and it was my fault that he got sick. I had fixed a standing rib roast for Christmas and left the pan on top of the cabinetā¦the grease cooled and rose to the topā¦I had put water in the panā¦I had a sick rescue Dane and hadnāt washed the panā¦Toby got on top of the sinkā¦.genets can climb anywhereā¦and swished his tail in the pan, covering his long, long tail in the greaseā¦these animals are fastidious..so he immediately went to cleaning it⦠When i finally set down after getting Mandy the dog stabilized and medicatedā¦she had a UTIā¦he jumped into my lap and i felt the wet, greasy feeling tailā¦.he had consumed all that greaseā¦too, too much for a little 3 to 4 lb animalā¦.The next morning he was lethargicā¦we saw the vet that day and he was started on medsā¦then we went back and they had to put 50 ccs of fluid under his skinā¦it took three of us to hold him down in a tube that was meant to do thisā¦it was then i learned how to give him a teaspoon of water every hour on the hour to keep him hydrated, interspersed with a teaspoon of blended foodā¦.several times a dayā¦.My husband and I had tried to keep him hydrated with 10 ccs subcu but couldnāt hold him downā¦.strong little cussā¦first animal I havenāt been able to hold downā¦As I said, he can be a little Tasmanian devilā¦.I hydrated the Dane with no problemā¦.
Every day I learn something newā¦thatās why I love sites like thisā¦It helps me tweak what I do for my own animals and it also helps me know what Iām doing right, that has worked for years and yearsā¦when something works, your animal is healthy and happyā¦donāt change what youāre doingā¦Our animals are individualsā¦I canāt eat wheatā¦developed a problem with itā¦causes horrible arthritis in meā¦I also know this hasnāt always been the caseā¦same way with chickenā¦developed something called polymyalgiaā¦docs sent me to rheumatoid clinic at our teaching hospital hereā¦not rheumatoid arthritis so they gave it this fancy nameā¦found out it was being caused by chickenā¦I was eating it almost every dayā¦I was the one who found the connectionā¦not the docs, just meā¦case in pointā¦.you know your animals better than anyone elseā¦I told one person I wonāt feed Purinaā¦had a bad experience with itā¦not the quality I want for my animalsā¦but that doesnāt mean that others have the same resultsā¦From my animal science degree, the various vet courses Iāve taken, and from working with various animals and exotic vets across the US, I have learned a great dealā¦.All I can do is try to put together what Iāve learned to care for what the animals Iāve been blessed to haveā¦Iām seeing too many animals with allergiesā¦something is going onā¦and Iām seeing these allergies in animals on kibble, raw dietsā¦.etcā¦Itās so hard for me to believe this is a permanent situationā¦.I would start questioning the surrounding environmentā¦not something an individual may be doing but what the animal is coming in contact with thatās not food relatedā¦thatās how my allergies startedā¦I cleaned up my environment, cleaned up my diet, starting building my immune system, and now my allergies are almost non-existent. Hopefully, this will happen to the animals out there that are sufferingā¦
Zach M
MemberGood and bad news. My dog didnt eat her primal duck recipe after it had thawed for 6 hours. She did though eat the primal after it had only thawed for two hours in the fridge. I know it is not safe to feed still frozen recipe. Would it be ok if i let it thawed for a couple hours and then giving it to her because she likes the crunchiness. Thanks ia advance everyone.
Barbara O
MemberNo problemā¦Toby doesnāt like me to thaw hisā¦I put it in his bowl in his cageā¦The little Tasmanian devil has to be caged at night or we wouldnāt get to sleepā¦I put his favorite lunch meat from Trader Joes in the bowl along with two little rectangles of frozen Primal..As soon as it where he likes it, he eats it. In the morning, when I let him out of his cage, his dish has been licked cleanā¦have been doing this for over a year.
Zach M
MemberThanks Barbara. Youāve helped a lot with this issue. I do have another question. Would the freeze dried be harder and more like a biscuit? Would I also HAVE to re hydrate it? Thanks for all he help guys.
Dori
MemberHi Zach M. Not Barbara but Iād like to help as Primal is in my rotation. The freeze dried which is more expensive than the raw due to processing itās great for traveling or hiking and camping with your dog. Yes the freeze dried has all the moisture removed and they are more like a biscuit. You have to rehydrate with some warm water and wait just a couple of minutes of so. I keep some on hand for the days that I have forgotten to defrost raw, or thought I had put some in the refrigerator but nope. still in the freezer. All three of my dogs love the freeze dried just as much as the raw. Itās the same product just without the water. You really want to rehydrate the freeze dried before feeding. You do not want to feed it dry and have it expand in their stomachs from moisture in their body. Not a good idea at all.
Zach M
MemberThanks Dori. I never thought of it expanding. My dog wasnt crazy about the mushy frozen raw though. I really dont know what to do then. I wonder if i could crumble it on her kibble? We will see.
Dori
MemberHi Zach. You can crumble it on her kibble but you still need to add water then to the entire meal. Most of the long time posters suggest that if feeding kibble you should add water to it anyway. The issue has always been with the lack of hydration eating dry foods for dogs. Some of the larger dogs especially if they gulp their dry food down quickly can be subject to bloat. Donāt forget that the dry food (without water added) will also expand in the dog after itās been eaten. I hope Iām explaining this correctly or at least making myself understandable.
As Barbara mentioned, you donāt have to defrost raw food all the way. I only defrost enough so that I can mush in and disguise one of my dogs medications. They like it a little colder and crunchier. Iāve been feeding it this way (all raw) for over a couple of years. I have three small dogs and itās never harmed them to eat it cold. They also like crunching on ice cubes so maybe thatās why they like their food a bit colder and harder.
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Zach M
MemberYeah. My dog likes crunch not mush. Thank you for your time
Dori
MemberZach. Youāre very welcome. Anytime I can help Iād be glad to. Yep! My dogs like crunchier rather than mush. Thatās the reason I canāt feed canned foods. Too mushy for them. Good Luck and let us know how it all works out and what you decided to do.
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