Dog Food Protein


The following items represent some of The Dog Food Advisor’s most frequently asked questions about dog food protein.

Can a high protein diet cause kidney problems in older dogs?

Although some may disagree, recent opinion finds high protein not to be a contributing factor to kidney disease in senior pets.

As a matter of fact, it has now been shown that a low protein diet is actually unhealthy for most older pets. For more details, be sure to read our article about “Low Protein Dog Foods“.

Is a high protein diet unhealthy for a puppy?

Although there are many who still believe high protein can be a health problem for puppies, more recent studies tend to disagree.

The rapid growth which causes skeletal disorders (like hip dysplasia) in larger breeds is now believed to be more appropriately linked to genetics1, excessive dietary calcium2 or overfeeding during the puppy phase of life3.

For more in-depth information about this controversial subject (including references and footnotes), you may wish to visit our article, “Best Puppy Foods“.


  1. A Hedhammar, Canine hip dysplasia as influenced by genetic and environmental factors, EJCAP, Oct 2007, 17:2 (pp 141-143)
  2. Richardson, Skeletal diseases of the growing dog: Nutritional influences and the role of diet, Canine Hip Dysplasia: A Symposium Held at Western Veterinary Conference, 1995
  3. RD Kealy et al, Effects of limited food consumption on the incidence of hip dysplasia in growing dogs, JAVMA, Sep 1992, 201:6 (pp 857-863)
  • Susan

    Hi, the freezed dried Mussels are sold at some pet stores or online pet stores “Chewy” sells K-9 Natural Mussels link below you’ll see picture of them or you can buy the mussels frozen at supermarket, I dont know if when you boil these frozen mussels in their shell does the shell go like when they are freeze dried, I doubt this, I like the mussels freeze dried cause the shell goes crunchy soft & very easy to chew & eat & Patch is getting his Glucosamine for his joints & doesnt get his upset stomach.. if you have a cat they love the freeze dried mussels as well

  • Susan

    Hi, Laureen,
    here’s the “Canine Pancreatitis” Support Group link
    a few ladies in this group home cook so they’d know a few supplement you can add to your dogs diet so it’s balanced properly, I buy the 5 star lean beef mince, the 5 star lean Pork mince & Turkey 99% fat free mince this way Patch is getting different meat proteins in his diet, if you go onto Dr Judy Morgans f/b page she has video’s of either herself or her husband cooking the dogs meals look for her “Pancreatitis Diet” & I think she sell supplements to balance the meals here’s judy’s f/b page
    There’s also the “Honest Kitchen” base formula’s where you just add your own lean meat…. Instead of adding the uncooked brown rice you can boil sweet potatos, potato & boil pumkin, I freeze my sweet potatos in sections & I freeze my boiled pumkin as well.
    I get my pork minced meat, I add 1 whished egg, 1 teaspoon chopped up parsely, some chpped up broccoli only a few small broccoli heads, I was also grating 1 peeled carrot but Patch can’t eat carrots now he gets yeasty smelly ears & shakes his head & scratches his ears, I mix all these ingredients all together then I make 1/2 cup size rissole balls & bake in oven on foiled lined baking tray, then I turn the rissole balls over when they have been cooking for 15mins & drain any fat & water off baking tray, the rissole balls dont take too long to cook you dont want to over cook the meat, then I boil my sweet potato & I freeze the rissole balls separate & take out when needed the day before & put in the fridge for next day.. you’ll start to see a few really good recipes & tweak them to what you like, Judy Mogan has a few easy to make recipes & I also feed kibble but as a separate meal I never mix kibble with a nice cooked meal Patch would just lick up the kibbles & not chew them then he’d get his pain cause teh kibbles are digested, you can even buy the tin tuna in spring water drain the water & add boiled sweet potatoes, rice for another small meal & feed the tuna measl 3 times a week this way your boy is getting different meat protein & omega 3 fatty acids in his diet, I tried different ingredients slowly over a few months adding ingredients to my rissoles Patch has IBD as well

  • Veronika

    Pancreatitis is quiet the interesting disorder it can be prevalent throughout a pets life and then it can quiet literally disappear for years and it’s not as if Rusty ever had a minor version, he had some very bad ones throughout his life.

    Feeding just meat, veggies and carbs is not enough, trust me as this is what my mum did for 4 years, he had anal gland issues all the time, his skin and coat were drabby, his eyes matte not shiny and his energy and joint issues were a very big problem.

    I’ve tried a lot over the years he’s now 12 years old so lots of different things indeed, to see what he could tolerate for a better overall body.

    Fish kibbles only from what I considered to be the best companies and best ingredient lists.
    Turkey, duck, venison, bison kibbles, all had their ups and downs.

    Freeze dried foods, beef was too oily from two different companies.
    Venison was good, in fact fantastic but the stocks running severely low and they’ve removed most venison foods here.
    Don’t ever try lamb, no matter the company no matter the fat listing it was always greasy to the touch.
    Chicken depending on the company, Frontier here has the best chicken ever at 8.9% fat.
    Tripe isn’t a food it stinks but it’s awesome for transitioning and making the gut very happy.
    Emu treats again not food but contain emu oil which is amazing for tear stains so is coconut oil and emu is very lean.

    Canned foods literally all the variety of meats listed above, he did very well on all of them.

    Ziwipeak he does very well on that too and when I make his tiny bowls which despite the size fit a huge amount of food inside, I add kefir, oil pump, digestive powder, freeze dried, tripe, the coconut oil and emu oil treats and Ziwipeak mix it up with water because you have to add it to the freeze dried so this makes it super palatable for some dogs and lowers urine problems and the dogs really start perking up, becoming puppies again and it’s great.

    Rusty is going on almost 2 years without any pancreatitis of any sort.

    Also unless your dog is sensitive to protein or has renal failure high protein is not an issue like at all.

  • Anonymous

    Laureen, I’ve been unable to find salmon packed in water or mussels in a pet food store. Befriend a local butcher or farmer and tell them what you’re dealing with. You’ll probably be surprised at how willing they are to help you!

  • Anonymous

    Needs a calcium source!
    Try 1/2 tsp. ground eggshells, but since you don’t eat many eggs, bone meal or Animal Essentials seaweed calcium is a good source of calcium from (you guessed it) seaweed =)
    We don’t feed grains, but it seems as though 4 lbs. rice/veg to 1 lb. meat is a little bit veg/grain heavy (JMO, your dog may do fine!)
    Balance it dot com is a good place to start. Dog aware dot com has some good information too.
    Don’t completely abandon the idea of organ meats (heart, liver, kidney, lung, etc.) as these are “gross” to many humans but full of nutrients.
    If low fat is an issue, I completely understand but MCT’s in the form of coconut oil may aid skin and coat health without causing stress to the pancreas.
    Best of luck.

  • anon101

    It is not the cost of the food……

    One trip to the emergency vet can be very expensive.

    Sometimes it is worth paying more for the food if it avoids a relapse. I would stick with the prescription food.

    Good luck.

  • Laureen

    Thanks anon. I’ve tried this and it didn’t help. Yes, the prescription food does come canned but that’s way out of my budget. I’m feeding him 3 smaller meals per day now. Going to try making his food, hopefully it will be cheaper for me.

  • Laureen

    Wow, that’s certainly a lot of info to process. Not sure I understand it all. I’m going to be making his food for a while to see if it’s any cheaper than the $120 per month I’m spending now. A friend gave me a recipe she’s been feeding her dog: 1 lb ground turkey
    2 c uncooked brown rice
    2 c veggies
    I would feed him about 3 cups per day. Is that enough for his weight? He’s about 65 lbs and needs to gain a few.
    I think I’ll be able to afford this. I get the extra lean turkey from Costco. Hopefully this sounds ok to you? I looked for the pancreatitis support group on FB yesterday but couldn’t find it. There were lots of others though. I will check out the k-9 Kitchen and see how this recipe compares to the ones on there.
    So, 2 tbsp salmon packed in water, daily to one of his meals and 2 freeze-dried mussels per day. Do I get these in a pet food store? Is there another way to give him the calcium besides the egg shells because I don’t eat a lot of eggs?

  • anon101

    Add a little warm water to the kibble just prior to serving.
    This works for my friend’s picky dog.
    Plain homemade chicken broth (no onions, just boiled chicken water) added to kibble is another trick 🙂
    Does the prescription food come in canned? Maybe he would prefer soft food. Try presoaking the kibble overnight.
    Seniors often do better on soft food. Also, 3 or 4 small meals per day instead of 2, same amount divided up.
    Don’t leave food down, pick up after 10 minutes and store in fridg, serve at the next mealtime.
    These things worked for my last senior.
    Good luck.

  • Susan

    Hi Laureen,
    Your better off feeding the moist cooked food instead of a dry processed kibble, just make sure you’re balancing his cooked diet, are you on facebook?
    grab a pen & paper & write this down,
    join “Monica Segals” f/b group called “K-9 Kitchen” you learn how to balance his diet properly & she has recipes & gives advice on her site, you can buy “Balance It” powder, Balance It site also has recipes also join the “Canine Pancreatitis Support Group” on f/b, look in their “Files” click on 2nd link “Low Fat Foods” when you scroll down 1/2 way you’ll see wet tin foods & the fat has already been converted to dry matter fat (kibble), just make sure you also get low fiber kibble as well as low fat, alot of these lower fat dry kibbles are weight loss/mangement kibbles & are higher in fiber, go onto “Dr Judy Morgan” f/b page & look to your left & click on “Video’s” she has some really good video called her “easy to make “Pancreatitis Diet”made in a slow cooker you can change things a bit look for her video called “Pancreatitis Again she explains about higher fiber dry kibble how it makes the pancreas work harder & she talks about her 16 yr old dog Scout he has a few health problems & has Pancreatitis & kept having a pancreas flare every month then she realised it was when she was adding salmon oil to his diet he was becoming unwell, my boy is the same whenever he has salmon/fish oil he gets bad acid reflux even when its in a dry kibble so what I do now I add all his healthy supplements thru healthy foods, I buy the tin Salmon in spring water from Aldis & I add 2 spoons of the salmon to 1 of his cooked meals, I also buy the “K-9 Natural” Freeze Dried Green Lipped Mussels & he gets 2 Mussels a day, the freezed dried mussels shell has natural Glucosamine, Chondoitin, for his joints & bones, Mussels & Salmon will help balance the diet same with sardines they have potassium, phosphorus, Vitamin A, D, E, B-3, B-6, B-12, Calcium, Selenium, Iodine, manganese, zinc, iron, folate, niacin, copper, choline, riboflavin, EPA, DHA ALA,
    I wouldnt be adding any kibble to a nice cooked meal I feed 5 smaller meals a day so teh pancreas & stomach work less digesting smaller meals & I feed a few meals kibble & the rest of his meals I feed cooked or wet tin food, I’d be feeding less kibble more cooked & just balance the diet over 1 week you dont have to balance every meal as long as over the week he’s had his Omega 3 fatty acids & vitamins they’re in Salmon or Sardines, his Glucosamine/Chondroitin for joints & bone in the Mussels shell & the Canidae Pure kibbble also has Glucosamine, add 1 crushed dry egg shell to 1 of his meals a day for calcium, Monica Segal posts & send out emails & talks about all this or post a post asking what foods/ingredients to add to dogs diet to help balance it, it doesnt have to be perfect, your dog will be healthier eating your cooked healthy foods & get more nutrients from the cooked diet then the over cooked dry kibble, a really good kibble is “Canidae” Pure Meadow Senior the fat is 10.80%max, I’ve email Canidae & asked what the max fat %, the protein is 28% which is good, I stay around 25- 30% for protein the lower the protein the higher the carbs, you dont want more carbs, protein is easier to digest, here’s Canidae’s site click on link then scroll down a bit & look to your right for “View All” click on 3, the Pure Meadow is on page 3

  • Laureen

    I have an 11 yr old husky/cross. He had pancreatitis in February of this year, and has been on low fat Royal Canin since then. Unfortunately, he hasn’t liked kibble for quite some time, so I have to add the canned to it and he still doesn’t always finish it. I’m having a hard time affording this, so I started making his food and adding the kibble to it, which he loves! Not sure if this is saving me money though or not. I also got some Eagle Pack low fat dry food for him to replace the Royal Canin, but haven’t opened the bag yet because I’m not sure if it’s a good food for him. I’m a little concerned about the high protein in it. I do walk him a good fast-paced hour to 1 1/2 hours just about every day. I also couldn’t find how many grams per nutrient per 1000 kal, like my vet suggested, anywhere on the bag. I would really appreciate any advice on a low fat, lower-priced kibble you have. I will continue adding the canned or homemade food to it. Also, whether you think the Eagle Pack is a good option or not. Thank you.

  • Susan

    Hi, yes there’s low fat wet canned foods in the Pancreas group Files, he might like one of those wet foods instead of the vet diet…

  • Sandy Hockaday

    Thank you Susan yes will join that group he is 1 year unfortunately before I could stop this person she gave him filthy water in a filthy bowl that is what caused this he was very ill but thankfully on the mend I am already giving him small pieces of boiled chicken otherwise he will not eat the tinned food many thanks for the advice Sandie

  • Susan

    Hi Sandy,
    have you joined the “Canine Pancreatitis Support Group” on Face Book? there’s lots of help & support & look in the “Files” click on first link “Low Fat Foods” scroll down a bit & you’ll see low fat wet canned foods you can buy from Pet Shop & the fat has been converted to dry matter……Gee your dog is in a bad way for 1 yr old dog, are you sure he’s only 1 yr old?? Just let his Pancreas rest & heal now, then when he’s better you can partly boil some lean chicken breast or lean turkey breast & add to the wet tin food, the Hills I/D low fat wet canned food is OK, Hills have improved alot of their formula’s, Hills is finally listening to customers, I was feeding Hills I/D Digestive Care Chicken & Vegatables Stew it has less rice & ingredients but Hills added Beet Pulp & gave Patch Acid Reflux 🙁 so that went out the window, & I started cooking meals again, works out cheaper…

  • Sandy Hockaday

    I have a Brittany Spaniel aged 1 he has recently had pancreatites has lost quite a lot of weight with the treatment and needs to build up now as his back leg muscles are poor he has been put on Hills prescription diet ID low fat food is there anything else I can add to increase the protein in his diet

  • anon101
  • haleycookie

    I would go with what crazy4cats said. Contact your vet and ask her what she recommends. Most prescription diets won’t be formulated for puppies. Expecially if she is a large labradoodle.

  • anon101

    See comment above yours 🙂

  • anon101

    No, don’t be foolish. There is nothing wrong with prescription food, talk to your vet about adding something tasty to it. When the dog has been stable for about a year you can talk about possible diet changes.
    Add water/presoak the food, take out for frequent bathroom breaks at least every 4 hours (every 2 hours is ideal).
    There is a genetic predisposition, combine that with not enough water intake, stagnant conditions in the bladder and you have trouble.

  • Crazy4cats

    Is she a large labradoodle that will be over 50 pounds? Have you talked to the vet about your concern? Usually with dogs, you can take them off the vet food after the infection is gone. But, I do not know what type of crystals your pup had and if it is safe to switch foods or not. But, it is important to make sure the food is appropriate for a growing large breed puppy as well. Please talk to your vet!

  • Myra Quinn

    Hi my puppy was diagnosed with bladder crystals and was put on royal Cain urinary food and that was 4 months ago can I change her food? I feel she is not getting the nourishment she needs since she is a growing labradoodle puppy!

  • Diane

    Hi Shawna, I have my 12 lb yorkie on Koha limited diet kangaroo right now which has 12% crude protein and 6% fat. Is that too much for him being a small dog? He has allergies so I have him on a novel protein he never had before to do this elimination diet. Thanks for your help. PS This is canned wet food:)

  • aimee

    Hi Steph,

    NRC recommended amount for protein in grams as 3.28 x weight in kg to the 3/4 power. To calculate a number to the 3/4 power you multiply the number by itself three times then take the square root twice.

    As example my dog weights 68 lbs. Her weight in kg is 31 kg. 31 X 31 X 31= 29791 The square root is 172.6 and the square root of that is 13.1

    13.1 X 3.28 = 43.9 grams protein/day

    Keep in mind though that dogs have specific amino acid needs that must be met in addition to overall protein amount and you have to take into consideration the protein digestibility.

    Therefore a quick rule of thumb for estimating protein needs is 1 gram/lb body weight./day.

  • Pitlove

    Hi Steph-

    Because protein is not stored in the body there is a limit to how much the body can use. According to one of my school textbooks, anything above 40% protein on dry matter basis is excreted as waste in dogs.

  • Steph Wong

    So how much protein is the right amount? Is there a scale based on weight or breed? I normally add some “human food” protein into my dog’s dry kibble.

  • HMC

    Shawna, thanks for your reply. The only abnormal number in her urine results was the protein level. There were high ALP levels but that was like that last year with no symptoms.
    Do you have a food recommendation?
    I have recently moved to a warmer climate and changed her food so I didn’t know if that impacted anything.

  • Shawna

    Protein in the diet does not cause excess protein in the urine. Some reasons for seeing protein in the urine is a UTI, heart issues, kidney issues, strenuous exercise and others. This article is written by a vet and gives some other reasons/info.

    This is also written by a vet and has some good info as to causes of protein in the urine.

    It may be a good idea to, at least temporarily, lower protein if the kidneys are having issues but if the proteinuria is caused by an infection or strenuous exercise and will resolve with treatment / rest then a dietary change isn’t likely necessary.

  • HMC

    After researching and reading, I am more confused than I was before. I have 10 year dachshund that I feed Orijen dog food prior to that Merrick grain-free and Merrick classic. Recently, she had bloodwork, urine test to find high protein in her urine – the would like to do test the protein level. I just wonder if I should switch her food which may lower the protein level – there was no issues last year. What food would you recommend?

  • Jing Zhang

    Hi, I always consider there is a proper range of protein percentage in my puppy’s food, I look at the table and found that most good brand:Stella, Primal and Orijen, their freeze dried food is almost 50 percent protein, is that too high protein compare to the regular kibble that might cause problem? Thanks!

  • Mcerone

    I recently got a Cane Corso and he is now almost 4 months old. Approx how much of the Victor Hi-Pro should I be feeding him per day? I know there will be adjustments due to his breed. Any help is much appreciated! Thank you!!

  • Mcerone

    I recently got a Cane Corso and he I now almost 4 months old. Approx how much of the Victor Hi-Pro should I be feeding him per day? I know there will be adjustments due to his breed. Any help is much appreciated! Thank you!!

  • Crazy4cats

    Yes, I know it seems to be outdated and controversial, but there are several that still think it helps. Hopefully, we can get the word out. Mine do not eat out of raised bowls. I try very hard to limit their activity and water consumption before and after meals.

  • Dori

    Actually C4C it’s another one of those out dated theories that has been pretty much been discouraged and no longer recommended. Unfortunately most of us thought it made sense at the time though I don’t know why. In the wild animals don’t eat on raised platforms, nor do we humans eat of raised bowls or dishes. I’ve never had large dogs so the issue never personally came up. If it had, no doubt I would have researched it to death.

  • Dori

    I can’t remember quite why at the moment, question from someone probably, but I was recently researching the pros and cons of raised bowl feeding and hadn’t realized that it is no longer encouraged and can actually be the cause or at least contributes to bloat. Apparently it was out of date thinking that raised bowls would help. One of the sites stated that no dogs, regardless of size should have their food and water bowls raised.

  • Crazy4dogs

    Thanks El doctor! I was looking for that study to include the link, but I couldn’t remember where I’d seen it.

  • Crazy4cats

    Those are scary findings as so many people believe that a raised food bowl helps prevent bloat.

  • el doctor

    Hi Nikitas Gagas

    There has been only one study that I am aware of that tested some of the hypotheses about the risk factors and causes of bloat in large and giant breed dogs.

    If you get a chance it would be a good thing for you or anyone else interested in the subject of bloat and large and giant breed dogs, to read. The study showed that;

    “For large breed and giant breed dogs in the present study, 20.4 and 51.9%, respectively, of the cases of GDV could be attributed to using a raised feed bowl (Table 7)”


  • Crazy4dogs

    Hi Nikitas Gagas,

    I also have/had large dogs that could possibly bloat, but fortunately, have never had an issue yet. I use a raised feeder, but one that is low so the dogs are bending down. While they used to be the holy grail, now there is conflicting evidence. I do give my dogs a combination of grain free food both fresh/raw and kibble/canned and when feeding kibble/can mixture, I add quite a bit of water to soak it so it’s going in with less expansion taking place in the stomach. I’m also really careful about exercise before and after meals.

    Here are a couple of links that might help:

    Good Luck with your pup!

  • Nikitas Gagas

    Thank you very much for your advice. Yes, his stomach did flip. It was tacked during the surgery. He is eating 2 cups three times per day but is doing so out of a raised feeder. I’ve been told all these years that actually prevented bloat but will try feeding without it. Will also try a bloat prevention bowl. I really appreciate everyone’s time and knowledge here. Thanks!

  • el doctor

    Hi Nikitas Gagas

    Your Cane Corso, due to his build and other factors, one of which is gulping air when eating, drinking, or excited, was susceptible to bloat.

    While the surgery eliminated the flipping of his stomach which is life threatening, he could still be gulping a lot of air which could explain some of his gastric activity and flatulence.

    I don’t know if his stomach actually flipped (volvulus), but if it did, then there could be some permanent damage depending on how long the blood supply to his stomach was cut off.

    Some of the things that could help with his gulping air are;

    – Don’t use raised feeders

    – Don’t feed him or let him drink water for at least a half hour after he has had exercise or is out of breath for any reason.

    – Feed him 3 smaller meals a day instead of 1 or 2 larger meals.

    – I never looked into behavioral training as an option to teach him to be calmer when he eats or drinks, but it could be a possibility.

    I wish you and your pup the very best of luck and I hope he lives a long and happy life!

  • el doctor

    Hi Shawna

    It seems that swallowing or gulping air is also a cause of flatulence in dogs (and people)

    This is from petMD

    “Of course, bacterial fermentation of nutrients, as in humans, does
    sometimes result in the noxious gases that escape from time to time, but you may be surprised to find that the source of most gas in dogs comes simply from swallowing too much air.”

    This is from WebMD

    “Flatulence can also occur when a dog eats too rapidly and may swallow air.”

  • Nikitas Gagas

    I failed to mentioned that he’s in his third month post bloat surgery. He’s always had a sensitive stomach but I wonder if the bloat caused permanent damage. Aside from gas he’s his energetic, goofy self. I am adding nature vet all in one supplement to his food which includes probiotics. His food also has probiotics and enzymes in it. Will seek out a stand alone probiotic for him though and see how it works. Thanks again for your advice.

  • Shawna

    You are welcome!

    Gas is actually caused by undigested foods being eaten by anaerobic bacteria in the gut. If smelly it is from the bacteria dining on undigested protein. If not so smelly it is from the bacteria dining on undigested carbohydrates.

    The best way to resolve gas is to first start the pup on an enzyme supplement to help with proper digestion. This may not always be needed but can help in the beginning. Secondly give a really high quality probiotic to reseed the gut with good bacteria.

    The noises (if that’s what you mean by gastric activity) can be a symptom of a food (or actually ingredient) intolerance. My Pom gets a noisy tummy from chicken. My friends Shiba Inu gets a noisy tummy from green beans. Farmina, although a really good food, may not be the best option for your pup. It might be worth starting the enzymes and probiotics first before switching but if the noise continues I would definitely try something different. Watch for similarities (ingredient wise) in the different foods you try. This can help pinpoint the problem ingredient (if that is the issue to begin with).

    For what it’s worth, I foster and between my own, my foster dogs and the dogs I pup sit for I’ve never had one have an issue with high amounts of protein. Mine all get considerably more than the 37% your pup is getting with no issues due to the amount of protein. That’s about 40 dogs.

  • Nikitas Gagas

    Thank you, Shawna. I had him on Earthborne Primitve Naturals but that made him extremely gassy. Switched him to Farmina and while he’s less gassy can there seems to be more gastric activity going on than desired. Thought it might be due to high protein content in the food.

  • Shawna

    No, except in dogs with certain illnesses, you can not feed too much protein. What isn’t needed by the body is simply excreted out through the kidneys and urine without causing any harm.

    They used to think that dealing with that excess protein (amino acids) put a strain on the kidneys however newer research has proven that to be incorrect. (The old research was done on rats not dogs. Newer research on dogs shows no correlation between protein and damage to the kidneys.)

  • Nikitas Gagas

    My 7 year old Cane Corso is about 125-130 lbs. He goes for about .75 mile walks just about every day if the weather allows it. I feed him Farmina Grain-Free food which contains 37% protein. He gets about 6 cups per day. Is this too much protein for him? Thank you in advance for your help.

  • Pitlove

    Happy belated birthday to your senior! That is an excellent age for a large breed dog.

    I just wanted to answer a question that no one addressed from your post 3 months ago about feeding different foods and different proteins. The reason that it is healthy and important to do that is a variety of reasons. Most obvious reason being that YOU would not want to eat the same diet your whole life, well neither does your dog. They enjoy variety just as much as we do. Also rotating proteins can help avoid an intolerance or an allergy to one specific protein fed too often. It is I’m sure possible for a dog to not become intolerant of one protein source fed every day, but it is better at least IMO not to take a chance. Rotating foods or protein sources at least also keeps your dogs stomach healthy and maintains the production of healthy bacteria in their gut that allow for dietary change if needed. Not to mention rotation is good in case of a recall of the current food you are feeding. Especially with the issues surrounding Blue Buffalo and EVO being bought by Proctor and Gamble. You can simply go to your next food in your rotation in the case of a recall and not have to worry about your dog’s stomach getting upset.

  • Dori

    I’m so happy to hear that your dog is still with you and doing well. I’ve got a Maltese that will be 16 in September and also doing well. Good job dad.

  • ManWithThe100PoundBrain

    Yes it is, since my post, my golden/lab mix turned 17 last month. He is doing really well.

  • theBCnut

    There are several issues if a dog doesn’t drink enough water, but unless the dog is actually dehydrated, its kidneys should still be filtering out all the excess proteins. The urine could possibly be more concentrated though.

    Water fountains for dogs and cats are one of the best recent inventions, IMO. Good for you for realizing how much you could improve your dog’s health and quality of life by adding this one simple measure.

  • Ellen

    If the dog is not drinking a lot of fresh clean water daily then that could be a factor in not filtering out enough of the proteins too!
    I started using the Drinkwell drinking fountain and my dogs are drinking more, fresher cleaner water now!

  • dcdawn

    awesome…and it is the good food and lots of love….I feed my rescue dogs BBW,,,and I adopt out 150+ dogs a year…

  • Crazy4dogs

    Awesome! Congratulations! I’ve only made it to 15.

  • Dori

    I’m so glad you got to spend so many years with your healthy dogs. Good for you for all you did for them and will continue to do for any other dogs you have or may have. Nice job! 17 is considered extraordinary for Labs, is it not?

  • ManWithThe1000PoundBrain

    I have fed my dogs, usually dry, high protein dog food most of their lives. Over the last 8 or so years, I usually fed them EVO or Blue Wilderness. In recent years, it’s been mostly Blue Wilderness. My Chocolate Lab passed away last year after a diagnosis of an aggressive oral cancer just short of age 17 (16 years, 8.5 months). He had normal lab results on organ functions his whole life. My other dog is a Lab/Golden Retriever mix and is currently 16 years, 9 months and still going strong with normal, healthy organ functions. I have recently switched to Blue Wilderness “Senior” that has a slightly lower protein content but is still high compared to a lot of other dog foods (crude protein, 30% min).

    The amount of protein increased as I improved the quality of their food throughout their lives. I didn’t know very much about dog food when I got my dogs in the late 90s. I first fed them Purina, then Pro Plan, then, for several years, Nutro Natural. When they were around 8 or 9, I switched to EVO (44%) and had them on that for a couple years before switching briefly to Blue and then to Blue Wilderness at around age 10. Sometime past age 12, my dogs were switched to Blue Wilderness Large Breed Chicken (36%) and were on that until I just switched my Lab/Golden to the Blue Wilderness Senior (30%, he will turn 17 in one and half months, in June of 2015).

    So, I have had not one, but I two Labs live to be 17 (or almost 17 in the case of my Chocolate Lab) while on a high protein diet and my dogs had healthy organ function the whole time.

  • Bob K

    I have fed beef bones both raw and cooked to 45 – 60 lb dogs without splintering them. Much depends on the specific bone. I use the center sections of the horse leg without the joint, these bones are very thick. The dogs do not splinter them

  • aliosh

    Never feed dogs bones that have been cooked. They will splinter and cause death.

  • aliosh

    I realize this is an older post but thought I’d reply anyway. For the first 4 years of life my 125 pound GSD always had diarrhea and nausea. He had accidents on the floor and would eat tons of grass daily. I really like my vet but he never suggested my dogs G.I. issues may be food related. I searched the internet and decided to feed him grain free. I experimented with a few brands and ultimately ended up with Orijen because he ate it the best. My GSD is 7 years old now and has not had stomach issues since I made the switch to a grain free diet. I recently had a delivery delay on my Orijen order and was forced to make a dog food run at our local pet store. They did not carry Orijen so I grabbed a 5 pound bag of Wellness CORE original formula and used it until my Orijen was delivered. Surprisingly, my GSD liked it and had no adverse reaction. My GSD does tolerate chicken but obviously grains were the reason for his G.I. distress.

  • theBCnut

    High protein does not cause kidney failure. Filtering out excess protein is a passive process. However, if the kidneys are already damaged to the point that they can’t filter out the excess protein then the protein left in the bloodstream will cause symptoms to appear.

  • Pam

    I’m also concerned about to high of protein in the dog food I just put my dog on. I took her off Iams and put her on Nutrisca for Chuck and dons. It’s got higher protein but no by product and grain free. I was told it’s better. You really do have to wonder! I just want to do what right for my dog. I had two dogs die of kidney faior and they were both on Iams. Is high protein ok? Best of luck if you find out please let me know and I’ll do the same

  • Pam

    It’s so hard finding the right food. I also have a shitzhu mix and I’m trying to get her off of Iams to a Nutrisca a dog food at chuck and dons. I was told it’s a lot healthy no grains or pot. just meat and vit. But I’m wondering if to much protein can be bad.

  • Rebecca

    my corgi has bouts of this. Sweet potatoes are really good for this and pumpkin. I just boil the sweet potatoes to have them on hand. Also make sure your baby is on a grain free kibble. cooked carrots and beans are good as well. mine has been fine with boiled chicken. They can not have any fat in any way or form. This triggers colitis. Cottage cheese is ok to.

  • Donna Gaumond

    My 3year old shih poo just had A yearly physical. She has been peeing on the rug and in my bed at night. Therefore she is now sleeping in her crate. I noticed residue on the spot on my bed where she peed. I told the vet who did a urine analysis. They found a small amount of protein and wanted me to change her diet. I was feeding her natures variety raw diet which she loves, she’s very picky. I stayed with the same brand but dry to change her diet this week but now I’m concerned about the amount of protein in the food. Should I be?

  • Shawna

    I would really try to avoid kibble if at all possible but I do understand how finances must play a roll in the decisions we make for our pups!!!

    Whichever way you go you can use some lower cost options to keep the diet as kidney friendly as possible. Green tripe is a great option and if you have friends that hunt you can get it for free (or the cost of having the butcher remove and grind it). Cow and chicken hearts are pretty inexpensive in the states. Or deer heart from the hunter friend. A lower phosphorus premix can be added to this (I think Grandma Lucy’s makes one) to make it complete and balanced. I would also add coconut oil or another high quality fat to keep the calories up while lowering the phos (if needed at this stage) on an as fed basis. Eggs are generally very inexpensive and can be added to raw diets three times per week. If needing to lower phosphorus you can eliminate the yolk and just feed the whites lightly cooked., and a few of the yahoo groups have additional suggestions on home prepared, lower cost diets. Sushi rice can be added to give some bulk. I’m not a fan of grains but in this case I think adding appropriate kinds is better than giving any kibble. Sushi (aka glutinous) rice is good because it is very low in phosphorus (if needed).

    I was using Renal Essentials initially but they are like horse pills and my pup is only 9 pounds. She also hated the taste of them.

    I LOVE Renafood but there is a product, made by the same company – Standard Process, that is even better. It is called Canine Renal Support. It is a combination of Renafood and Renatrophin in a powder form (so it can be added to the food).

    Renafood is nutrients needed for a healthy kidney in a therapeutic form. Renatrophin uses kidney cell specific markers, for lack of a better term, called protomorphogins that will help prevent inflammation. It’s pretty detailed and specific but I can give you more data if you want. My Audrey has been on Canine Renal Support since her diagnosis seven years ago. It is the one supplement that I WILL NOT let myself run out of. I have given her Renafood with her Canine Renal Support as an extra boost but I’d chose the Renal Support over Renafood/Renatrophin individually if I had to. If you can’t get Standard Process products in your area, I can contact them to see if there is a similar product where you are at if you want..

    Also look up nitrogen trapping. Aimee has brought up some questions as to the validity of the process but it is still something I would highly recommend. It is simply giving a high quality probiotic with a specific form of prebiotic. It helps lower the BUN from the blood. And, of course, all of the other benefits from using a probiotic.

  • aimee

    Hope she is Ok…. trust your gut if you think she is off it is better to check.

    It’s true. High Ca/P leads to tissue calcification.

    PTH has lots of adverse effects hence the drive to limit its elevation.

    Here is a recent article on the subject.,%20a%20uremic%20toxin.pdf

    There are likely hundreds of uremic toxins I’m sure the gut microbiotome plays some role in this. I just don’t think it is well known to what extent and how to best manipulate it.

    This isn’t the opinion I posted about but it is similar: “However, the major concern is that unlike BUN the molecular sizes of classical uremic toxins ( middle molecules) are too large to readily cross membrane barriers and therefore the bacterial use of ammonia is unlikely to reduce these toxins.” (Elliot 2006)

    Some time back I linked to an article on renal and you were critical of the author for not recommending/knowing about nitrogen trapping. At the time I replied I’m sure she knows about it.

  • Andy Ross

    Thanks, I have Dr. Smart’s diet. My only problem with some of the raw diets is the fact that he is a big boy (80lbs) and not overweight. A muscle bound dude. A lot of the various diet listings would feed him for one day which means I would be spending more on his food than ours. It was a whole lot easier feeding him raw when he was a younger fellow.
    I am still mulling all this over but suspect I am going to have to come up with my own plan that might be a combination of raw and dry.
    I have also been reading about holistic type supplements such as Renal Essentials by Vetriscience. There is one that gets some good reviews called Renafood but I can only find it in the U.S.
    I swear I this dog food issue is harder on me than my own diet requirements. 🙂

  • theBCnut

    I can tell you that at the time, I was reading about anesthesia elimination and the things that interfer with it, including kidney and liver issues. I wasn’t online, it was one textbook or another or even a hematology book. That particular professor pulled in stuff from all over the place, but the WWW was very new back then and very limited, so I know it was in a textbook or reference book.

  • Shawna

    Interesting!! I’ll have to look that up. Let me know if you look/find anything on it.

  • Shawna

    Hi Andy,

    Darwin’s raw has a new prescription kidney diet that was formulated by Dr. Barbara Royal DVM. The diet is high protein, they claim lower in phosphorus and looks really good. Not sure if it would be affordable but it does have added supplements and is complete and balanced.

    As far as supplements for the hip inflammation — organic turmeric (must be organic as spices are often irradiated) is inexpensive and good for the kidneys as well as the joints. It has not been found to be toxic at any amount as well. Organic egg shells is another cost effective idea. Not sure how therapeutic they would be in amounts one could feed but the membrane between the shell and egg is supposed to be quite beneficial. And gelatin (as in Knox brand) was recommended in an article by a holistic vet that I recently read (not sure about gelatin and kidneys?).

    Veterinary Nutritionist Dr. Meg Smart has a raw kidney diet on her blog (may be for cats though — I can’t remember for sure). I can get all the info on any of this that interests you if you want.

  • theBCnut

    Many years ago, so I may not be remembering right, but I believe I read that one of the issues with high BUN was the effects on pH.

  • theBCnut

    I just want to share that joint supplements for horses are more concentrated and cheaper than joint supplements for dogs, but some of them have the exact same active ingredients.

  • Shawna

    I thought I read several places that elevated blood phosphorus caused kidney calcification. Is that not true? Or is it indirectly by elevating PTH?

    I thought they were also unclear as to PTH being a uremica toxin or not. I did a QUICK search (so nothing exhaustive 🙂 and one paper says “may” and another said “many uremic symptoms improve with dialysis, which does not remove PTH from the plasma”. Of course it could be that enough other uremic toxins were removed with dialysis to see improvements despite remaining PTH.. This one looked interesting but CRAP can only read the first page. (I didn’t think to look at the dates of those articles)

    Dr. Bovee eluded to uremia and BUN as well so I won’t argue the point without further research. BUT I DEFINITELY DO see VERY positive results when I utilize nitrogen trapping with Audrey. Almost every time I feed her kibble for more than one meal off an on I start to see symptoms (really bad breath and “neediness” and once in a while vomiting) and they go away with nitrogen trapping. Audrey is not a “needy” dog but when she isn’t feeling well she gets VERY clingy and needy.. 🙁

    PS — she’s at the point where I think I better start

  • aimee

    The primary danger of phos is that it triggers PTH release. PTH is an uremic toxin.

    Actually BUN is not much of a toxin, meaning it really isn’t a problem/cause symptoms. I think though at really high levels it can cause oral ulceration as the oral bacteria cleave the urea and may shorten RBC life span. BUN is simply used as a easily measured “marker” for those substances that are uremic toxins.

    I came across an interesting opinion. Since BUN isn’t what really contributes to clinical signs are we fooling ourselves into thinking the dog is better by using probiotics to trap BUN? We really don’t know if the probiotic does anyting for the real uremic toxins.

  • Andy Ross

    Thanks Shawna. I as considering going back to a raw diet. He has been on a diet for his hips because I could not provide enough supplements on my own without going bankrupt. Given his kidney issues I need to reconsider. Thanks for the tip on vaccines. I opted out of most of them a few years ago due to not wanting to cause more hip inflammation. I am planning on discussing the rabies issue when we go to the vets again.

  • Shawna

    Oops forgot because of the kidney disease, you should no longer give any vaccines (including rabies) and no more heartworm or flea tick treatments. Audrey has been legally exempted, for life, from getting the rabies shot since diagnosis.

  • Shawna

    Hi Andy,

    The dog in my avatar, Audrey, has had kidney disease since birth but she wasn’t diagnosed till shortly after her one year birthday. She will be eight years old in two months and the only time she gets ill from her disease is if I feed her kibble (any kind).

    They have known via more current research that protein restriction too early in the disease can cause more harm than good. Audrey has eaten HIGH protein raw since coming to me at nine weeks old (symptoms of kd were noticed at six weeks of age). Dr. Kronfeld has research demonstrating that protein does not cause damage to the kidneys at even 54% of the diet.

    Phosphorus does contribute to furthering kidney disease but only if there is a build up of phosphorus in the blood (which calcifies the kidneys). Generally dogs in the early stages of kd do not require a low phosphorus diet. Audrey has yet to start on low phosphorus.

    The “quality” of the protein is far more important then the overall quantity. The amino acids from better quality proteins are used, on a cellular level, better by the body leaving less to become BUN which the kidneys have to filter. BUN doesn’t damage the kidneys but it does cause the symptoms, such as vomiting, bad breath etc, seen in kd dogs when the kidneys can’t effectively clear it from the blood.

    Certain amino acids are damaged by heat (lysine) and by processing (taurine) which changes the quality of the original protein. Because of the processing and heat required to make a kibble, the quality of protein will be lower than the same ingredients in a less processed food.

    Once the kidneys are damaged, a “dry” food is harder on them as well.

    Foods without gluten grains and potato can often help with joint issues as a protein (lectin) in these foods binds with a derivative of glucosamine called n-acetyl glucosamine making it unavailable to the joint. Since glucosamine is required for a healthy joint, this can create additional stress.

  • Andy Ross

    My very active 8 year old lab has just been diagnosed with early stage kidney disease (he also has hip dysplasia). I am looking for a quality dry dog food with low phosphorous that can assist with his renal issues but may also support the joints. My vet is recommending a prescription diet but I am not overly impressed with the quality of the ingredients and the very low protein source.

  • Shawna

    Hi sue66b,

    I realize your post is from 3 months ago so this may not be an issue any longer but in case it is…..

    My Pomeranian Gizmo gets ulcerative colitis (tummy rumbling, bloody stool and EXPLOSIVE diarrhea) if she gets too much chicken. No other food causes it, but chicken in any form will (raw, canned, dehydrated or kibble). She generally eats raw. NOTHING stopped the colitis completely until I was able to figure out it was the chicken and eliminated it completely from the diet.

    To help heal her tummy I gave her a product called SeaCure (heals the gut) and an herb called slippery elm (coats the gut). It took about a year but she finally completely healed and can now get chicken (by accident of course) for a day or two without symptoms but any longer and the symptoms begin to start again.

    Gizmo was seen by my conventional vet but nothing really helped. The LIFE SAVER in trying to determine the cause was prescribed by her holistic vet. She recommended a homeopathic called phosphorus. Giving her homeopathic phosphorus as soon as I heard the tummy rumblings would completely stop the symptoms within minutes. NOTE — homeopathic phosphorus may not work for every dog with colitis. My vet said there are four different remedies and which to use is based solely on the EXACT symptoms each dog/human has… Homeopathics can be found at most health food stores and cost $6.00 or $7.00 dollars for a vial.

    Edit — for what it’s worth, Gizmo has been on raw since coming to me at six months of age already showing issues with chicken. She continues to eat raw to this day and is now nine years old. It would have taken me A LOT longer to figure out the trigger food if she wasn’t on raw.

    All my dogs get apple cider vinegar off and on with their meals (diluted with water or only a few drops if undiluted). It definitely does help with digestion but, with my Gizmo at least, nothing helped except eliminating the trigger food.

  • Celeste Kelsey

    I have a three year old Chihuahua mix that I rescued who had severe IBD – most likely triggered by chicken. But at the point of discovery could not find a dog food on which she would not have diarrhea, mucous, and bleeding and obvious pain – she was very cranky and very hungry. A local pet store had a food (not readily available and you have to seek it out) that had worked for a cat that had. I started to use it and had immediate lasting results. She had been severely underweight 7.5 lbs when we got her and she is not the tea cup variety. She now weights 11.5 lbs still very trim and very fit. No diarrhea ever, no mucous, and no blood and no pain. She eats this food exclusively and does not get treats. It is ABADY, canned Beef-Based Formula for Maintenance and Stress for Adult Dogs. Go to ABADY’s web site and read their philosophy…it is exceptional. I started her on a formula they have (can’t remember the name) that is for healing the digestive tract. She remained on that for 30 days and then switched to the maintenance. Now all three of my dogs are on it and doing very well. They had digestive issues, mostly from the high fiber of other diets – which are now gone. I love this food. Suggest you give it a try. You can call the company and ask any questions you want – they are small – and very responsive. Good Luck.

  • Nancy Pyzynski

    We feed our 4 year old dog Acana Wild Praire. She is seemingly healthy, happy and active with no gastric issues. Should we be supplementing her dry food with more protein based foods such as raw meat?

  • Crazy4cats

    Have you tried any of the foods with the montmorillonite clay, such as Natures Logic, Victor, or Natures Variety?
    My dogs have not been diagnosed by doc, but have a sensitive digestive tract due to having a bad case of giardia and coccidia as pups. Victor has been great so far for them.
    Also have been giving them either Gastriplex by Thorne or something similar by Vetri Science that seem to be helpful also.
    The website dogaware dot com has some interesting information for digestive disorders.
    Good luck!

  • sue66b

    Does anyone have a dog with Colitis & I.B.D that was dignosed by a vet…what do you feed them & when they get their rumbling bowel what do you give them to ease their pain. I found that dry toast with thinly spread honey stops the rumbling.. The vet told me to stop letting him have grass as it can aggravate his bowel more.. We woke up this morning 5am wanting grass & his tummy was rumbling he’s been on a vet diet Eukanuba Intestinal for the last 5 months, I love to change his food, he also has trouble digesting foods… no raw diets as the vet also said that there is too much bacteria in the raw meats for him..I read that apple cider vinger helps with digestion has anyone tried this on their dog with colitis or IBD…I thought the the apples & vinger would be too acidy for his tummy…also would a higher protein kibble 34% be better the diet he’s on now is only 23%.. I looked at the Wellness Core Original yesterday but the kibble was very very hard I find kibbles with potatos are harder he cant digest them..Help

  • yo yo

    Can human protein be use for dog.

  • Crystal

    What about protein in dog medication for hips and healthy treats to assist in healthy hips? My dog gets a couple of all natural dog bones (small from Mother Nature), a Zuke’s Hip Action treat, Dasuquin meds., and another small treat each night. She is a Shitzhu with crystals in her urine. She eats Earthborne Holistic foods. Not sure what I should cut out.

  • Pattyvaughn

    If they are shedding out of season it might help, but I can tell you nothing is going to make them stop shedding when it’s time to shed.

  • todd olstad

    Just wondering about high protein food will prevent some shedding

  • Isobel

    Ok I will do that. Thanks again Patty 🙂

  • Pattyvaughn

    If you want to move towards raw, just cook it less and less each day.

  • Isobel

    Thank you so much for all your help. I am feeding Natural Instincts (from the UK) and Charlie loves it. When I tried to feed it raw as stated it made him loose as he is very sensitive, so I cooked it, which worked for him and then worried about the cooked bone. I found your site today and have gained so much information in this short time. A big thank you from Charlie and me.

  • Pattyvaughn

    No, not at all. My dogs get kibble, canned, dehydrated, freeze dried, cooked, and raw. Sometimes all in the same day.

  • Isobel

    Sorry one last question! If a dog is on a raw diet is it harmful to give cooked meat treats?

  • Pattyvaughn

    Probably not, but cooking does destroy some of the nutrients. Cook as lightly as you can stand.

  • Isobel

    Thanks for the reply. The bone is ground up in the food and the whole lot looks like a fine mince. Is the bone still harmful then?

  • Pattyvaughn

    You should not cook the bone. It changes structure and can become hard, brittle, and sharp. You also need a source of organ meats in there. It should be 10% of the meat and half of it should be liver. The other half should be other secreting organs like kidney, pancreas, spleen, etc. Heart and gizzard count as muscle meats not organs.

  • Isobel

    With a balanced raw dog food of meat with bone 85%, carrot, apple, butternut squash, spinach, Scottish salmon oil and sea kelp am I able to cook this up as a feed instead of feeding raw? will the bone content be harmful?

  • Shawna

    Yep, that was it Patty!! Thank you!!

    Read a very interesting, in my opinion, research paper today. Most of us know this but it is nice to see it in The Journal of Clinical Nutrition :).. This is regarding humans but I’m quite certain it holds true for canines and felines too.

    “As addressed in earlier papers in this supplement and at the Summit, there is strong evidence emerging of a positive role for protein in promoting optimal health at intakes beyond the Recommended Dietary Allowance. There is new focus on the roles of protein related to lean body mass retention during calorie restriction and aging, weight control, insulin secretion and action, and bone and cardiovascular health.”

    Cooking may increase digestibility but decreases protein bioavailability. Again, something known but here it is in a research paper.

    “Although heat, oxidation, and other treatments are carried out for consumer protection and benefit, they can lead to formation of Maillard compounds, oxidized sulfur amino acid, D-amino acids, or cross-linked peptide chains, which limit amino acid bioavailability.

    The evidence available to date suggests that quality is
    important not only at the Recommended Daily Allowance but also at higher intakes. It is also evident that quality at higher compared with lower intakes is important for different reasons. Examination of the increasingly complex roles emerging for protein reveals these differences. The roles for IAAs in lean body mass retention, cell signaling, bone health, glucose homeostasis, and satiety induction are particularly intriguing and worthy of further study. Noting that currently accepted methods for protein quality evaluation do not capture the importance of IAAs beyond the first limiting amino acid, and given the long-standing debate regarding assessment of bioavailability, research assessing protein’s role in optimal health at higher intakes should also explore implications for protein quality assessment.”

    There’s TONS more data in the paper including a little snippet on BCM-7 (casomorphins)..

    Edit — CRAP… It’s not bolding what I am telling it to bold…??? It’s NOT supposed to be bolding this… LOL

    Figured it out 🙂 I wasn’t putting in the / before the closing b.

  • Pattyvaughn

    Adding protein helps by making more available the components needed for tissue repair and regrowth, plus the major antioxidant that the body creates needs that protien too. Additional antioxidants help with recovery from anesthesia on down to the end stages of healing.

  • Leigh

    thanks for the reply, in my head a slight increase in protein and vitamins was obvious. This is something people have been doing for years so why wouldn’t it work for our little mammals? haha

  • enzymes between feeds such as Integrative Therapeutics or Wobenzym or Wobenzym Fido and similar products might help.

    From Becker article:,494,90.htm

    “When used this way, after meals, the enzymes circulate throughout her body via the bloodstream, helping to:

    Support the healthy circulation of blood through arteries

    Maintaining normal immune function

    Clear cellular debris while cleansing tissue

    Stimulate healthy new cell growth

    Promote normal cell growth

    Promote a healthy immune response

    Support normal detoxification processes

    Clear away undigested proteins, cleansing the lymph and blood

  • Cindy

    Leigh, I read up on it, and they seem to recommend some extra protein for surgery, but also vitamin c as I have mentioned. Also the other things will be helpful too.

  • Cindy

    To my knowledge that would not help, but I don’t know everything. You probably need vitamin c for collagen production. What is helpful is giving Arnica C 30 (homoeopathic) for a couple of days; this will make a big difference in healing after surgery. I also believe that a product containing silica would help, for instance ‘Cell food essential Cilicia formula’. Beta Glutan may help as well. Great that you are so concerned about the dog’s healing!

  • Leigh

    could I increase the amount of protein I feed my dog after ophthalmology surgery in order to promote tissue growth?

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Hi Jess –

    That is false. Feeding large breed puppies high levels of protein does not contribute to the development of developmental orthopedic disease (i.e. pano, hip dysplasia, etc.).

    From Nutritional Risks to Large Breed Dogs: From Weaning to the Geriatric Years by Susan D. Lauten, PhD

    “Currently no evidence exists to suggest that high protein intake contributes to the development of orthopedic disease in growing large breed puppies.”

    From “Growth and Skeletal Development in Great Dane Pups Fed Different Levels of Protein Intake” (a study which appeared in the Journal of Clinical Nutrition):

    “The differences in protein intake per se had no demonstrable consequences of calcium metabolism and skeletal development. A causative role for dietary protein in the development for osteochondrosis in dogs is unlikely.”

    From Why Overgrowing Your Large Breed Puppy is Dangerous by Karen Becker DVM:

    “Researchers have studied the diets of large breed dogs for over 30 years to understand the link between improper nutrition and skeletal problems.Studies have repeatedly concluded dietary protein levels have no effect on the development of skeletal problems in large and giant breed dogs. But still today, many breeders of large dogs, owners and even some veterinarians will tell you protein is the problem, even though there is no evidence to prove it. Protein excess is not the problem. In fact, it’s often a dietary protein deficiency that contributes to skeletal problems. The elements of nutrition that have been scientifically proven to negatively impact skeletal development in puppies are excessive calories and high or unbalanced mineral content, specifically calcium and phosphorus”.

  • Jess

    You can give a puppy too much protein. Especially large breeds. Too much protein in large breeds causes Panosteitis; it’s very common.

  • Jackie

    My dogs kidney protein levels were marked at a 1.4. The vet said that he would like to see her levels at a 1 or possible at an 0.8. She’s on a bland chicken and rice meal twice a day because of post op medications (had a benign tumor – she’s 4 years old). I want to put her on great food like Orijen or Acana but I am afraid of her kidney levels shooting sky high. She’s not a working dog or show dog. She’s semi active and goes on short walks due to a hyper extended ligament. I was feeding her Blue Buffalo fish & sweet potato but the brand gave her too much gas. I switched her to Castor & Pollux but then found out that citric acid can be a huge risk factor for bloat in deep chested dogs. I need some advice. If anyone can suggest or ease my mind on orijen or acana, I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you.

  • Jackie

    My dogs kidney protein levels were marked at a 1.4. The vet said that he would like to see her levels at a 1 or possible at an 0.8. She’s on a bland chicken and rice meal twice a day because of post op medications (had a benign tumor – she’s 4 years old). I want to put her on great food like Orijen or Acana but I am afraid of her kidney levels shooting sky high. She’s not a working or show dog. She’s semi active and goes on short walks due to a hyper extended ligament. I was feeding her Blue Buffalo fish & sweet potato but the brand gave her too much gas. I switched her to Castor & Pollux but then found out that citric acid can be a huge risk factor for bloat in deep Chester dogs. I need some advice. If anyone can suggest or ease my mind on orijen or acana, I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you.

  • Bexx

    Thank you so much 🙂 I did email you. Aww – Audrey is a wee little girl! A chihuahua mixed with a Boston – sounds cute! 🙂

  • Shawna

    Morning Bexx,

    Audrey’s mom is 1/2 long haired Chihuahua and 1/2 Boston Terrier. Her dad is 1/2 short haired Chihuahua and 1/2 Poodle. There were six pups in the litter and Audrey was the tiny little runt. The breeder, a relative, almost lost her at about four weeks of age because she had a collapsing trachea and couldn’t get enough nourishment from mom. She was syringe fed til she could eat on her own.. I was there visiting her when she took her very first lick of liquid food from a spoon I was holding… Even at such a young age she was obsessed with water. She would sleep in the water bowl when it was empty.. 🙂

    I’d be happy to share anything I can with you. Probably best to do it offsite though. You can reach me at the following email address [email protected].

  • bexx

    Hi again Shawna –

    I missed this post earlier! I stopped giving all of my dogs vaccinations a few years ago, as I am not a fan of vaccinations for dogs or people! It is state law to get rabies but I ignore that. 🙂 My dogs aren’t out running around and there hasn’t been a case of rabies here since like 1900 or so. Thank you for the tip on the household items! I make all my own cleaners EXCEPT I have a Swiffer mop I use on ocassion. Not anymore.

    After talking with my husband about it, we think we are going to avoid the prescription food and try doing it ourselves with just raw meats and the extras added in (with supplements) with NO commercial dog food added in this time. There is so much information out there and it seems like so many people have had better luck doing it this way. I’m searching all over and reading so many things and just need to do what’s best for my boy.

    I would love and appreciate it if you have any time and could give me some input as to your daily feeding habits/recipes and supplements you give on a daily basis. So far I’ve written down the Standard Process renal support, ground egg shell, fish oil, and I’ve read that Vitamin E and B can be beneficial.

    Just out of curiosity (and because I just love dogs) – what kind of dog is Audrey? 🙂

  • bexx

    Thank you, thank you!! I cannot express how much I appreciate this. When our beagle passed away it happened so fast. Six months previous he had surgery and all blood work was great and in 6 days he went from fine to not eating (of course we though it was a stomach bug for the first couple of days) to vomiting to the vet shaking his head and telling us he was too far gone for anything to be done. The normal warning signs such as heavy drinking/urinating were always present as he had Cushing’s and was always a heavy drinker. So I will do what it takes to not have that happen again and I take all of your advice very much to heart. I’ve written a bunch of stuff down, going to research all the stuff you gave me and figure out a plan of action. 🙂

  • Shawna

    I completely understand!! I REALLY REALLY do.. We HAVE to do what is in the best interest of our fur kids despite our own hang ups :)..

    Honestly, I think the Hills canned food could be a good base diet that other low phos foods could be added to..

    I also found that acacia fiber and burdock root along with Garden of Life Primal Defense probiotics had the best affect on nitrogen trapping in Audrey. Acacia fiber is the only ingredient in a product made for humans called The Fiber 35 Diet Sprinkle Fiber. If Audrey begins to seem like she is feeling a bit off, I give her a probiotics and 1/8 tsp of the Sprinkle Fiber and it pulls her right out of it. Burdock root is the “blood purifier” of the herb world. It can be purchased as a supplement or in the produce section of Whole Foods (at least my Whole Foods). Looks like a long, think, beige(ish) carrot.

    I have also found with Audrey, may not work with all, that adding a small amount of diluted apple cider vinegar to her food helps with digestion when she needs it. The very few times, maybe 4 her whole life, she has had an upset tummy I dilute apple cider vinegar with water 50/50 and syringe in about a tablespoon or two. Within only a few minutes she feels better.

    The BUN is dependant on food while the creatinine is less so. Because creatinine is going up too (not just BUN) it would, in my opinion, be worth checking into the Standard Process Canine Renal Support and/or the Five Leaf Pharmacy product.

    Adding organic, extra virgin coconut oil is an excellent option as it increases the calorie content of the diet and is very medicinal. Also adding spirulina, in my opinion, is helpful. It is a very digestible, HIGH quality source of protein along with other benefits.
    I really really do know what you are going through. I lost my 18 year old Toy Poodle, Tut, to kidney disease. That was hard!! BUT, Audrey was just a baby and I was devistated with her diagnosis.. I set out to learn everything there was to learn — not sure I did it but I sure learned a lot :)…
    Again, VERY BEST OF LUCK AND GOOD HEALTH with/to your boy!!!

  • Shawna

    Sorry, I had an afterthought… It is important with kd pets to not introduce additional toxins into their systems. For this reason consider the following—-

    1. Only give filtered, preferably reverse osmosis, water.

    2. NO shots of any kind. If your state allows you should even be able to get an exemption from any further rabies shots. Audrey, because she had kd from birth, has NEVER had a rabies shot. She is legally exempted for life. She has only had one set of vaccines, while at the breeders, her entire life. She also doesn’t get flea/tick or heartworm meds.

    3. Check the cleaning products etc around your house to make sure they are kidney friendly. I looked at the Material Safety Data Sheets and/or the Center for Disease Control on all products in my home when I learned of Audrey’s kd. Swiffer mop – gone. Clorox and all clorox products like their ready mop – gone. Frangranced candles, perfume, air freshener etc – gone (there is a chemical, or family of chemicals, in these products called pthalates that is damaging to the kidneys). Particle board furniture (pressed wood) gives off formaldehyde for the life of the piece — its in the glue that holds the planks of wood together. Formaldehyde is damaging to the kidneys. It can also be in new carpeting.

    There are, of course, certain things that can’t realistically be changed but it is worth investigating and changing those that can be changed. At least in my opinion :)..

  • bexx

    Hey Shawna – Thank you for the lengthy and very detailed response. I really appreciate it. I guess I wasn’t clear, now that i go back and ready my own post – I did have him on a good kibble, but then did a raw homemade diet after the first kidney results came back. Just had him tested yesterday and the BUN and creatnine levels were higher than they were the first time. But I am going to look over the websites you gave me and see what I can do. I absolutely ABHORE the thought of putting him on Hills k/d. I am not a fan of Hill’s food in the least and think vet’s push it because they get paid to do so. That being said, if it comes down to it and nothing else is working, it will be something I turn to – to at least try. I don’t want to put him on it, but I also don’t want to see his kidney function keep getting worse if I can’t find a better/more natural recipe anywhere else. 🙁 Thank you again.

  • Shawna

    Hi Bexx76 ~~ When it comes to kidney disease “high” quality protein actually means non-kibbled foods. When proteins (animal or plant) are cooked some of the amino acids in the protein are damaged and no longer available. They can be added back in but the body, I JUST read, uses synthetic individual amino acids differently than those found naturally in foods.

    So here’s what happens — the food is eaten and the amino acids are absorbed. The body then uses the amino acids in sets or groups. Example — glutamine and cystein (from memory) are used to make an antioxidant called glutathione. After the body uses all the amino acids it can (by pairing and grouping them) what is left over becomes BUN. Because of the damage to certain amino acids (like lysine) from cooking and processing, there is fewer for the body to use and more becomes BUN. So the best diets to prevent BUN are lightly cooked or raw.

    I would NEVER feed my kidney dog Audrey a kibble diet.. It would be her demise I am sure.. Audrey gets raw with a protein content of anywhere from 45 to 54% depending on the day and what product I am feeding. She has been on this same high protein diet for seven years.

    What supplements are you using for nitrogen trapping. I’m not fond of the ones that come from the vet…

    I’m not trying to talk you out of doing what you think is in your pups best interest because you are the one that has to live with your decision. Just giving another point of view… Also I would HIGHLY HIGHLY HIGHLY recommend feeding the canned prescription diet over the kibble. The first ingredient in the canned Science Diet KD foos is water and then egg white. The first ingredients in the kibble KD is brewers rice and port fat.

    Have you read any of the material on kidney disease on the website. GREAT source of info if you haven’t.. If you really want to avoid the prescription foods, she has alternatives that you could try including homemade recipes, premixes that are low phos that could be added to lower phos meats/animal proteins, topping k/d diets etc.

    Lew Olsen of also has some great info on kd diets. Both Mary Straus (from and Lew Olsen are nutritionists and both have been moderators on one of the Yahoo Kidney Disease groups. They both have also had kd dogs do wonderfully on higher protein home made diets. However, home preparing is not for everyone so again, just mentioning not trying to persuade you away from prescription canned foods.

    There are a couple supplements that I would encourage you to look into. I use a product by Standard Process called Canine Renal Support – it helps prevent inflammation to the kidneys and nutritionally supports them. I haven’t used it but I’ve spoke with several others that had excellent results with a product made by Five Leaf Pharmacy

    Also, I’ve heard that the time of day the blood work is done can have an impact on the numbers. Always get the blood work done at the same time of day just to be safe.

    Good luck with your baby!!! I hope you have many many more happy and healthy years with him!!

  • bexx76

    I really think high (good) protein diets are good or bad depending on the situation and the dog. My dog had high levels on his last blood tests and he is on a good quality, high protein, grain free food. I wanted to be more natural and changed up the diet to incorporate higher quality proteins and supplements for nitrogen trapping/phosphorous binding. Just had another blood test yesterday and was very hopeful. But his levels have gotten worse. 🙁 I had a dog die from kidney failure two years ago and it makes me ill to think of going through this again. I HATE to try the low protein/low phos/prescription diet but nothing else is working and I have to do everything I can to try to help his kidney function. So, we will try the low protein food and see what happens once we have another test run.

  • Johnandchristo

    Labs ….

    A troll is a troll is a troll.

  • LabsRawesome

     LOL. Isn’t it funny when someone can’t “win” an argument, that they then resort to posting as “someone else” and then agree with themselves, to try and give their argument some validity. lol So lame.

  • Shawna

    I just got a chance to look at the article you linked to..  It is VERY important to factor the “quality” of the protein when evaluating a diet for kidney disease.  A protein with a high biological value will create less nitrogen then the same amount of lower bioavailable protein..

    SO, it was no surprise to see that the lower protein diet (which they don’t describe the contents of) produced less BUN then Purina Dog Chow Senior, Royal Canin Mature Medium Breed and Eukanuba Senior Maintenance..  Go figure…  None of these are quality foods with “high quality” proteins..

    In my opinion, this research was poorly designed and likely intended to come to the conclusion that was found..  Lowering amounts (based around the BUN) of “high quality” proteins is the gold standard for treating kidney disease.  IF, I say once again, nitrogen trapping is implemented even higher amounts of quality protein can be fed…  However, I have found, most vets don’t know about nitrogen trapping. 

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  • Shawna


  • Shawna

    I didn’t get any of that from your posts Guest.  You “implied” that protein was damaging to kidneys.  There is nothing further from the truth.  Protein keeps the kidneys (and every other cell of the body) healthy..
    Protein is not “bad” in kidney dogs..  As I said, higher protein diets can be fed if nitrogen trapping is utilized.  AND the more bioavailable the protein the less nitrogen is produced.  Less nitrogen means less for the kidneys to do..  It is poor quality proteins like chicken by-product meal, corn gluten meal, soybean meal etc that cause larger amounts of nitrogen. 
    Phosphorus is higher in organs (aka by-products) then in muscle meats.  You would also be surprised, I think, at the amounts of phosphorus in grains.  Example — 1 ounce of 70% lean ground beef (raw which is what I feed) has 37mg of phos and 6.7mg of calcium.  While 1 ounce of medium grain cooked brown rice has 21.6mg of phos and 2.8mg of phos.  Raw egg whites, 1 ounce has 4.2mg of phos and 2mg of calcium.  I think we can all figure out which of these are better for dogs.  This comes from  Tripe is a food that is high in protein, low in phosphorus and has other wonderful benefits.. 

    The science you are finding may say that a prescription kibble is better then a maintenance kibble but I will NEVER by the data that “quality” protein is damaging to a dogs kidneys.  As mentioned before, I have a dog that has had kidney disease for 6 and 1/2 years, is healthy, unmedicated (except vitamins and nutraceuticals) and has been eating HIGH protein raw since being weaned..  By the way, symptoms of polyuria and polydipsia were noticed when she was about 6 weeks of age.

  • Guest

    Thanks for clarifying my point. In stages III & IV protein restriction is advantageous and may be in stage II since phosphorous and protein often go hand in hand. I am not saying that protein is necessarily bad in unaffected senior animals, only those with CRF. That said there are papers that support reduced protein in senor pets without evidence of renal disease, although they are not as robust as those with CRF. See: 

  • Pattyvaughn

    Shine a little light on the troll and they disappear, apparently.

  • Jester

    Actually Shawna protein can harm a dogs kidneys… The key to protein is where it come’s from. Protein from a “muscle” meat source is great and will never harm a dogs kidneys. But protein from “”other sources”” most defiantly CAN harm dogs, “if”, it is to high. I have been researching meals, such as chicken meal and others and am quite surprised to find how much bone is in any type of meal. Protein from bones is unfounded if it is good or bad. I fed Orijen and I am feeding less kibble and working hard on adding more meat to my dogs diet… I have located a local butcher for more meat and a local Asian store for more fish. Both are under 2 bucks a pound. 2 bucks a pound is about what Orijen cost’s in my area. I have been able to reduce the amount of kibble from 4 cups to 3 cups due to these finds. Everyone feeding any kibble with a meat meal only ingredient or ingredient’s only, really should get on the stick and do some research. Chicken meal really has very little, if any, meat in it at all. Tyson chicken meal is a joke…

  • Shawna

    Or maybe this one — Nestle Purina 2008

    “The ability of excess dietary protein to induce renal pathology was studied in both dogs with chronic kidney failure and older dogs without kidney failure. Numerous studies have confirmed that protein does not adversely affect the kidneys. However, phosphorus- and protein-restricted diets are clinically beneficial in dogs with existing chronic kidney failure. Protein restriction for healthy older dogs is not only unnecessary, it can be detrimental. Protein requirements actually increase by about 50% in older dogs, while their energy requirements tend to decrease. When insufficient protein is provided, it can aggravate the age-associated loss of lean body mass and may contribute to earlier mortality.”

    PS — I didn’t link to the Merck Vet Manual because the links don’t work when copy/pasted.  But anyone can google “merck vet manual chronic kidney disease” to read the page I quoted from.

  • Shawna

    “Protein” doesn’t damage the kidneys even in late stage chronic kidney disease.  However, lowering protein does control the symptoms making the animal feel better — which happens in the later stages of the disease.. 

    Additionally, if you utilize nitrogen trapping efficiently you can prolong protein restriction even longer..

  • Shawna

    Does the Merck Vet Manual work for you?

    “In Stages I and II, animals usually have minimal clinical abnormalities…  Animals in this stage should be fed standard, commercially available maintenance diets, unless they are markedly proteinuric (see below). All affected animals should be reevaluated every 3-6 mo, or sooner if problems develop….

    In Stages II and III, the principles for management of complications are the same, except that the animal should be evaluated every 2-3 mo….   Measures that may slow this progression include dietary phosphorus restriction (dogs and cats), dietary fish oil supplementation (dogs), antihypertensive agents (hypertensive dogs and cats), and administration of ACE inhibitors. Dietary restriction of phosphate and acid load is essential in this stage, and specialized diets for management of kidney disease should be fed.

    In late Stage III and Stage IV, all of the principles of managing the preceding stages apply, except that the animal should be evaluated every 1-2 mo. Dietary restriction of protein may relieve some of the signs of uremia. High-quality protein (eg, egg protein) should be fed at a level of 2.0-2.8 g/kg/day for dogs and 2.8-3.8 g/kg/day for cats.”

    “Protein” restriction isn’t recommended until the dog is azotemic which is in the later stages of the disease..  However, phosphorus restriction should happen as early as stage II or III.

    Dogs and cats with acute kidney disease or elevated proteinuria should have protein restriction while in crisis stage.

  • Guest

    The key difference is the 99 paper is one guys ramblings. The 2000 and 2002 papers are prospective case-control studies with multiple authors and real-world cases (pets); quite a difference. Check out wikipedia for definitions of this study types versus a review paper (which was still written before the two cited papers which are considered definitive).

  • Shawna

    I will also note that they do know that “protein” (even high protein) does not contribute to kidney diesease NOR damage the kidneys once disease has set in.  However, phosphorus does. 

    Additionally, the original research that implicated protein as a cause —- it was done on rats not dogs…

  • Shawna

    So a paper from 2000 and 2002 are better then a paper from 1999??? 

    An important factor in these two you sited — the renal diet was compared to a “maintenance diet”.  Assuming the maintenance diet is kibble, possibly poor quality proteins etc.  ALSO, the cats in the one diet lived 633 days versus 264 days on the standard diet…  Neither are very good results if you ask me especially in cats..

    I’ll stick with my high protein (45 to 54%) raw diet I am feeding my pup with congenital kidney diseaes..  She’s been on the same diet for 6 and 1/2 years and still doing GREAT..  No meds, no sub-q fluids etc..  Six and one half years and still her only symptoms are polyuria and polydipsia..  I bet those eating a prescription kd diet aren’t having those same results..??

  • LabsRawesome

     Senior pets need even higher amounts of species appropriate protein, because their aged systems have a harder time processing it. And I am talking about healthy senior pets. In some RARE cases/illnesses there may be a reason to limit protein, for some sort of illness.

  • Guest

    I beg to differ with the statement:  ‘recent opinion finds high protein not to be a contributing factor to kidney disease in senior pets’. I wouldn’t call a 1999 op-ed style paper in a supplement to a 3rd tier journal recent or definitive. Review these studies for life changing data on low protein diets and life expectancy in dogs and cats:

    -Median survival times of 633 (low protein diet) versus 264 days (standard diet) in cats with chronic renal failure
    -Compared with the MF [maintenance formula-high protein], the RF [renal formula-low protein] had a beneficial effect regarding uremic crises and mortality rate in dogs with mild and moderate renal failure. Dogs fed the RF had a slower decline in renal function, compared with dogs fed the MF.

  • Shawna

    I disagree..  Especially when high quality, balanced raw foods can be purchased at the same stores that the high end kibbled foods are purchased at…

    “Dry food”, even the high end ones, is simply fresh food that has had all the nutrients processed out of it.  To the point that they have to add fake nutrients back in..

    I would also question “balance”.  Food balance is based on what science currently knows to be accurate.  New data is coming out all the time.  Ten years ago, as an example, omega 3 was not supplemented in processed foods.  They still aren’t encorporating all of the 8 known forms of vitamin E.  Some feel that calcium carbonate is an inferior source of calcium.  etc etc etc

  • BryanV21

    I use the term because I think it’s better than saying “omnivore”, because I don’t believe the word “omnivore” is correct. While dogs can digest/process some non-animal foods, they are designed to get nutrients from animal sources. 

    So I understand that you can use the two terms interchangeably, I will not use or accept the word “omnivore” for a dog.

  • aimee


    What is/ are the metabolic differences between a facultative carnivore and an omnivore as I the term used interchangably and no clear distinction between the two.  

  • BryanV21

    You’re wrong, but don’t worry… you’re not alone on this subject. Look up “facultative carnivore”.

  • Boogiefromcur

    dear barbara I tend to agree with you but the problem with hygiene issues, the cost/time issues, obtaining fresh meat etc etc outweigh the “raw” feeding pro’s much more than feeding a quality dry food which is additionally balanced with after aftermarket supplements.

  • Boogiefromcur

    dogs are not carnivores they are omnivores my friend…get your facts right

  • Dieselle

    I have an 11 year old dachshund who just spent two weeks with undiagnoised stomach issues where she started vomiting and then she refused to eat and drink….Vet found nothing in blood work or x-rays.  With a lot of patience we managed to get enough food and liquid into her to start bringing her back… now she has returned to “normal” healthy and hearty appetite but we need to re-introduce her to dry food.  The Vet suggested we put her on a more easily digestible senior wet (canned) food.  However, she prefers dry dog food. 

    Any recommendations for either or both? 

    I know we must introduce very slowly… right now we prepare her chicken and she loves raw and cooked veggies and fruit, which we have started giving her in tiny quantities.

  • This is worth considering….I had a litter of shepherd pups that I fed raw until I placed them at 6 months. All the pups grew at a much SLOWER rate then they did when I transferred them to bagged food to assist in placing them. I agree with the statement that calcium/ph is more likely what causes bone malformations than high protein content. All the pups were lean and healthy on raw. Once on bagged food they started growing like mad. Something to think about when we are told that bagged food is the only way to go.

  •  No

  •  Protein is based on ALL sources not just animal protein on a per cup basis.

  •  Have you tried raw?

  • Wingmaster01

    Anybody that would think that Meat Based Protein is not good for the Dog/Canine is seriously misinformed or they have been mislead by others. That said, it is my wish that these dog food producers learn to produce a meat based protein food that does not give my dogs the runs. Weems the higher the meat protein content the more loose the stool becomes.   

  • BryanV21

    Personally, I would never recommend a vegetarian diet for a dog.

    Sure, there may be instances where a dog’s got an illness in which it can’t have any meat, but dogs are carnivores and should get the majority of their protein from meat sources… not things like peas.

  • dixon_mason

    This is a myth spread by vegetarians, who think even dogs should get by on carrots and lettuce. Blah! My Scottie is happiest when he’s tearing into some fresh roast beef!

  • Marilyn

     I would recommend Orijen. Do some research on it.

  • Assuming the mixing process in kibble-making is complete, it will be per kibble.  If your dog eats 1 cup of food a day, he is getting 38% protein.  If he eats 2 cups a day, he will still get 38% protein.

  • Rheseyj

    Thank you but that was not what I meant . I will use orijen adult as an example it has 38 % protein . Is that per kibble , per bag , per cup . How much would my dog need to eat to achieve that 38 % protein level . Would she need to eat a kibble , a whole , bag , a cup ?

  • Rheseyj

    How do they judge the protein in the food ? Is it per price of kibble , cup , bag ? How ?

  • Dward22

    I notice most high quality dog foods have fish listed as a protein source. It does not state what kind of fish, but a lot of fish contain toxins. I used to feed my lab and 2 goldens Solid Gold Wolf King with menhaden fish. I dont think they use the menhaden fish any longer and are now using a different type of fish, unspecified, so I am discontinuing Solid Gold and looking for a non fish dog food. I also had them all on Cosequin which contains glucosomine condroitin which is also a fish substance. I am now doing homemade and adding extra virgin olive oil and organic ground flaxseed and bone meal(human grade). Also, I feel that  a lot of problems which cause allergies are in dog treats. I have found some excellent dog treats recently made by blue buffalo that contain yogurt,pumpkin, apples and cinnamon( no corn syrup or other garbage.) I just started making homemade using ingredients listed on the web from a dog food

  • Joe Jackson,

    I don’t know what a Bordoodle is, but (1) if it’s still considered a puppy, it needs certain levels of certain nutrients for a growing body and (2) if it’s a large breed, they have a special calcium to phosphorus ration that they should be getting for proper bone growth.

  • Joe Jackson

    I have a 8 month old Bordoodle who is relatively finicky.  She will not usually gobble up her kibble.  I’ve tried Castor & Pollux , TOW and finally tried Wellness CORE.  She finally seems to like the core, but I see that it isn’t recommended for dogs under 1 year due to the high protein.  But after looking at protein content of other “all life stages” food, some have just as high if not higher levels of protein.  Should I not be feeding her the Wellness CORE?

  • Eileen Postings

    I have heard that too high a protein content in dog food causes itchy skin. Is this trus?