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While i do love canidae for many dogs, I feel like on UTS he would be needing too many cups and I would opt for a higher kcal formula.

If each cup takes roughly 4 hrs to breakdown and your dog needs 5 cups a day, that’s just allot of digestion time.

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I recently had a training with Origen/ Acana and they have started to take the meal out of some of their things.
When it just says deboned chicken that’s including water weight, once you cook it, it falls lower on the list of ingredients and some things may be heavier than you expected.
Orijen is expensive to make and is good but there are definitely other large breed formulas I would consider first.

At my work we deal with more dogs with pancreatic and diabetes allot more now, it’s running rampid in the dog world now.

I used to feed my pitty large breed Fromm, she was always gassy and I never knew why.
Now she’s on firstmate lamb and rice in the morning and raw at night and I have a non gassy pitty.
They do also get answers fermented goats milk, cows, and fish stock to give them different beneficial benefits.

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I feed Grandma Lucy’s if I don’t have any actual raw on hand.
But prior I did feed honest kitchen and sojos.

Grandma Lucy’s is more kcal per cup so you’ll be feeding less.

When you feed by guidelines you want to feed the rehydrated amount.

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It’s the training we received from a vet we worked with that is not related. But that’s what I was able to find closest online.

To me it makes sense, if I’m constantly eating a fatty carb diet I’m not going to feel great, my skin will show it, I’ll be sluggish.

My vet has agreed that for my dog with liver disease she has done allot better on her Firstmate lamb and rice than she did on prescription or grain free, given my dogs all get raw fed as well. Every dog is individual.

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Sweet potatoes, potatoes, peas, etc convert to sugar and sugar feeds yeast. Brown rice is a complex carb and converts slower.
Grains aren’t always the problem, everyone at my work feeds a grain food and we all have a variety of dogs from little pups to mastiffs,pits, labs, and retrievers. We have more customers on a grain food that have left the grain free world due to the extreme high fat and carb protein sources.

This is out of one of Dr Beckers articles :

Yeast needs sugar as a source of energy. Carbohydrates break down into sugar. Both MDs and veterinarians advise patients with yeast to get the sugars out of their diets.

Dietary sugar isn’t just the white kind added to many pet treats and some pet foods. There are ‘secret,’ hidden forms of sugar that can also feed yeast overgrowth, for instance, honey. Although honey can be beneficial for pets in some cases, it does provide a food source for yeast. So if your dog is yeasty, you’ll need to carefully read his pet food and treat labels and avoid any product containing honey, high fructose corn syrup, and even white potatoes and sweet potatoes.

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Many times itching is a carb overload and she’s not burning all the food.
Many complain about gassy pits but mine are not gassy, maybe once every few months if they get more “dog cookies” vs freeze dried meat treats.

Grain free is typically lower in fat and have no pea or potatoe protein in them.

Chicken is the most easy for them to digest, I would try a low fat and no pea or potatoe protein with brown rice as it’s a complex carb and burns slower.

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When looking at feeding grain free food just be sure and check you have no pea or potatoe protein in your food, and a lower fat.

Our favorite and foods we see the most large breed puppies on are the following at my work:

Holistic Select Large Giant breed with a 23%P and 12%F

Firstmate POF 23%P and 10%F

Canidae Large breed 23%P and 13%F

My mastiffs have done amazing on firstmate and it has actually helped tremendously bring her levels down (she has liver disease and the vet had her on royal canin and she did horrible on it)

Each cup takes roughly 4 hrs to break down so if your dogs eating 6 cups a day or something their is not enough hours for them to break it down.

Bigger breakfast and smaller dinner, same with humans you don’t want to eat a huge meal before bed time. We don’t burn and store it, feel sluggish etc.

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it is an extreme high fat for a large breed puppy. And regular puppy food does not monitor calcium and phosphorus.
I would look into a puppy food that’s large breed specific most don’t go over 14% fat and all of the ones we recommend at work and have seen best results with are a 10-12% fat.

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Isn’t it sugar feeds yeast. And potatoes, sweet potatoes convert to sugar quickly which feeds yeast. If I miss worded earlier I apologize.

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We bought a shampoo from our vet for itchiness and it caused a breakout on my hands after using it. Needless to say $20 something wasted, I will have to check what the brand name is. Never used it again on my dogs.

I don’t personally feed it but know many have great success with canidae lamb and rice or the all life stages.
It’s at a affordable cost, it’s higher calories per cup so you aren’t feeding as much and the fat isn’t extremely high like many foods.
Brown rice is also a very slow burning carb so it won’t convert to sugar as quickly as potatoes and such.

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Sorry stupid auto correct. Clog pores. Just so you are aware.

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Oatmeal shampoo can also click pores just so you are away.
Is she itching her ears paws etc? Could be carb overload that’s feeding yeast.
A great shampoo for itching is zymox it’s 8.99 on chewy, it’s a enzymatic shampoo. It will eat away the yeast that’s building up. They also have a conditioner you can dilute with water and spray onto your dog.

Does her food have pea protein or potato protein in it?

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Debbie

We have our presa girls on first mate and our bully pup is on Fromm.
They have been doing great on it, the vet said that our dogs are doing great on the first mate.
Our little presa has liver disease and has been doing a ton better on the firstmate then when she was on the hills diet hepatic.

We love firstmate and Fromm and haven’t had any issues. I have also looked into kasiks which is the sister brand to firstmate.

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Good morning pitlove,
One of my friends who is a dog trainer said the same thing right away. She’s a chunky but sticky short little thing.
Supposedly her parents were over 100lbs each but God only knows they could have been very over fed.
We did end up putting her on Fromm. I liked their ingredients and she does well on it so far.

We have our mastiffs on firstmate and love the brand. I recommended it to anyone.
Our one mastiff has liver disease and is doing amazing on the senior diet from them her levels are way better then when on the hepatic royal canine or hills.
And our vet has signed off and even said that its allot better.

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Good evening all,
I am going to be adopting with my husband a 16 weeks old pit puppy, she is already 40 lbs. I want to find the best large breed puppy food that will not stunt her growth but not cause her to grow faster then needed for her. Her parents are both 100lbs plus from what we were told.
We have looked at firstmate puppy and looked a tad into wellness.
Any recommendations?

Thank you!!

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