[Jeannine M]

Thanks Mary, that’s kinda where I was going next. I have him on Fromm large breed puppy gold now but my vet was thinking I should try grain free cuz he has rashy ears and his poop is really moist. Not runny but not exactly tootsie rolls either.😊 I was looking for a higher meat content but I will give it a try and see what happens!

[Jeannine M]

I would have no idea which is why I have been reading everything I can. I copied this information from an article on dog food advisor not in the forums. So if you hit home and down the left hand column where it has latest article it’s under the heading
“How to Choose the Best Large Breed Puppy Food and Lower Your Dog’s Risk”

So that article is wrong? This is why I am having such a hard time deciding what food to feed my dogs. There is so much conflicting information!😟
Thanks for the information I appreciate all the help I can get!

[Jeannine M]

I just copied and pasted from the article under ‘What to feed your Large breed puppy’

Recommended
Calcium Guidelines
Fortunately, there’s general agreement among the experts. To meet AAFCO nutrient profiles for growth13 in large breed puppies, a dog food must (on a dry matter basis) contain:
1.2 to 1.8% calcium
1.0 to 1.6% phosphorus
Calcium-to-phosphorus ratio 1:1 to 1.8:114
However, for some higher calorie foods, the above guidelines may not apply.

[Jeannine M]

I just contacted Victor and this was their reply, although it doesn’t say max %.

Greetings Jeannie,
Thanks for your growing interest in Victor Super Premium Pet Foods.

FORMULA
CALCIUM
PHOS

GF Yukon
1.2%
0.9%
GF chicken
1.6%
1.1%
GF Ultra Pro
1.8%
1.2%
GF Hero
1.6%
1.1%
GF Active dog
1.6%
1.1%
GF Lamb
1.9%
1.2%
Ocean fish
1.2%
0.9%
Lamb meal
1.2%
0.9%
Chicken meal
1.1%
0.8%
Beef Meal
1.5%
0.9%
Senior
1.3%
0.9%
Nutra Pro
1.3%
1.3%
Hi-Pro
1.4%
1.0%
Performance
1.4%
1.0%
Professional
1.4%
1.0%
High Energy
1.4%
1.0%
Multi Pro
1.3%
0.8%

Best Regards,
The Victor Support Team
1-888-428-7544

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Several formulas rated 4 and 5 Star by dogfoodadvisor.com and exceed AAFCO Nutritional Guidelines.
All Victor® dry dog food formulas are:
Free from Corn, Wheat, Soy, or Gluten!
Enhanced with Zinpro Performance Minerals, which are the most bio-available complex trace minerals on the market.
Infused with SEL-PLEX organic selenium to improve cellular health by fighting free radicals.
Enriched with multiple Probiotics for building a healthier immune system with improved gut health.

From: Victor Pet Food [mailto:Contactus@victorpetfood.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 5:13 PM
To: Victor Pet Food <info@victordogfood.com>
Subject: Contact Us – New Contact Us Request

Contact Us

Topic
Product Question

Question or Comments
I am looking for a Large breed puppy food and was wondering if your active dog and puppy or any of your all life stages have the correct ratio of calcium to phosphorous ratio recommended for large breed puppies? I believe the recommendations are-
1.2 to 1.8% calcium
1.0 to 1.6% phosphorus
Calcium-to-phosphorus ratio 1:1 to 1.8:114
However, for some higher calorie foods, the above guidelines may not apply.
Thank you,
Jeannine Moore
Page: http://victorpetfood.com/contact-us/
Unique ID: #1335
Date: January 21, 2017
Time: 5:12 pm

[Jeannine M]

He asked what the meat source was. Also suggested I might want to try a grain free. I realize the osteosarcoma was probably from the neutering too young. Back in those days they said to neuter by 6 mos. for a male, I had him done at 7 mos. I will wait till this one is three if I do decide to neuter. The TPLO surgery I believe was a combo neuter/food issue. Once I learned about cal/phos. ratio in food for LBP I figured out the ratio I feed my other dog when he was a puppy and it was really high. If I remember around 4-5? At the time they recommended low protein/fat and something to do with moisture but I don’t remember. I had him on innovo LBP to begin with then around 5 months when the vet told me they were discovering LBP shouldn’t be having puppy food I switched him to California Natural rice and lamb.
Anyway, for this new pup I’m more concerned over his loose stools and have read many people say the same as you stated about loose stools on Fromm. I feel like for the price of these foods they should have more meat source proteins without all the potato/rice fillers. Hence the Nulo, then realized it was $55/$60 for a 24 pound bag!!😳😬

[Jeannine M]

So what do you get if the ME is 440 the max calcium is 1.5 and I know the phos. min is 0.8?

[Jeannine M]

Right?! Weird huh? I know the min. Is 0.8 so even if you say 0.9 the ratio is 1.7 to 1.0 or if I put 1.0 in phos. it becomes 1.5 to 1.0 but the calcium is still 34.1 g per 1,000.
Do you think somehow the decimal is in the wrong place. so confused!

[Jeannine M]

Ok so I got the max rate for calcium for the TLC but they didn’t say max for phosphorous. I can’t figure out the calculator to save my soul. When I plug in the numbers his is what I get.
Are these numbers ok?
Calcium Content Analyzer
Step 1
Enter dog food’s calcium content
% Calcium 1.5
Step 2
Enter dog food’s phosphorus content
% Phosphorus 0.8
Step 3
Enter dog food’s calorie content
kcal / kg 440

Calcium = 34.1 g per 1000 kcal
Ca to P ratio = 1.9 to 1

[Jeannine M]

I saw you recommend Purina Pro, I am trying to research that now. My husband was just wanting to try the Fromm because the calculations were already done for us!

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