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One thing you can do is to make him seem like he influenced you first.
You: I saw that you were feeding your dog X, and since I know you know a lot about dogs I thought I would look into feeding my own (your dog’s name) X. My dog has a sensitivity to certain ingredients (you don’t have to say “to crap”) so I cross-checked the ingredients on a great dog food resource called Dog Food Advisor, I’m sure you’ve heard of it. Anyway, I was pretty surprised by what I found so thought I would share it with you to get your opinion. (Hand him a print out)
Of those two, my choice would be Performance because it is higher in protein (30% vs. 24%) and in kcal/cup ( 376 kcal/cup vs. 327 kcal/cup) which I would take as getting more nutrition and energy out of the same amount of food.
Too bad your pup did not do well on grain-free food. Which one(s) did you try? My English Setter pup is almost 6 months and I was thinking of trying one of 4Health’s grain-free foods some time after she turns 10 months.
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So glad Dozer is doing so much better! How old is he now? I met my first ridgeback a couple months. It was a bit intimidating to meet a dog about the size of a deer, but what a gentle giant he was. Curious what food the breeder had him on or what you were feeding your pup when he first started to have issues walking?
Congrats on having a dog on the mend!
I am trying to follow your calculations for calcium/kcal but am confused about step 3 of the formula you provided.
1)Multiply calcium% by 1000g. That gives you the grams of calcium/kg
2)Divide the grams of calcium/kg by the kcal/kg for the food. That gives you the grams of calcium/kcal.
3)Multiply the grams of calcium/kcal by 1000/1000. That gives you grams of calcium/1000kcal.
Here is my example:
Have been emailing back and forth with Dr. Tim and he suggested that because my English Setter puppy, Annie, is an active breed that Pursuit might be a better fit than Kinesis. I asked if it was appropriate for a puppy since it is not labeled as an All Life Stages food and he said it was. I mentioned calcium and he again said it was fine for large breed.
But just to be sure, I ran the math myself. And if someone could just check make sure I was accurate.
Calcium percentage: 1.06
Multiplied by 1000,
1,060 divided by 3945 kcal/kg = .26869
.26869 x 1000/1000 = .26869
I am thinking the answer is supposed to be 2.68, but other than multiplying by 10, not sure how to get there?
Duke the Boxer,
Not sure if you saw my previous question to you, but was wondering how much you serve a day of Dr. Tim’s Kinesis?
I am the one that said Nutrisource Large Breed Puppy no longer has corn gluten IF the bag you buy has an expiration or use by date of November 2014 or later. This is coming from talking directly to the company that makes it. Even if it still lists corn gluten on the bag, the company legally has 6 months after changing the ingredients to update the bag.
My 16 week old English Setter puppy is on Nutrisource after having very soft stools with Wellness Core Puppy. She has done well on it but I plan to do a rotational diet and I think my next food will be Dr. Tim’s.
Duke the Boxer,
How much Dr. Tim’s Kinesis are you giving your puppy? My English Setter puppy is currently 16 weeks old and 20 lbs. According to Dr. Tim’s feeding recommendation the max I should give her at this age and weight is 1.75 cups.
On her current food, Nutrisource Large Breed Puppy, Annie eats 3 cups a day and I am sure would gobble up more if I let her. So I was wondering how your puppy reacts to the smaller quantity recommendation, because Dr. Tim’s is high on my list to try next.
Please come back and let us know what the vet said. Have been thinking about you and your pup.
Murphysmom, my English Setter puppy had loose stools on Wellness Core Puppy also. I mixed in pumpkin, yogurt, prebiotics to no effect. I really wanted to love Wellness Core but it just didn’t work for Annie. We ended up switching her to Nutrisource Large Breed Puppy. It is not grain-free (chicken & rice, the packaging still says corn gluten but it has actually been removed and any bag with an expiration date after Nov 2014 does not have it in it. The manufacturer legally has 6 months to update the packaging). Anyway, it is cheaper than Wellness and she is doing well on it in terms of stool consistency. Lots of other options out there, but just wanted to share with you what worked for us.
Regarding Nutrisource Large Breed Puppy, the trainer I work with told me that it was now corn free. The packaging still lists corn gluten so I called the company and they said that they HAVE REMOVED the corn/corn gluten, they just legally have 6 months for the packaging to be updated to reflect the change.
So, according to them, any package of Nutrisource Large Breed Puppy with and expiration date labeled November 2014 or later does not have the corn gluten. It is not a grain-free food as it does contain rice, but this is the next food I am planning on giving my English Setter, Annie. It is on HoundDogMom’s approved large breed puppy food list.
I use boiled chicken cut up into teeny tiny pieces for training.
I think Hound Dog Mom recently reported the list on page 36. (Easier to scroll back to). Wish it could be a sticky at the top of this thread.
Thank you so much for reposting this link HDM.
Does anyone know anything about the calcium levels of Performatrin Ultra, grain-free? It is the store food of PetValu and ranked high on Dog Food Advisor, but didn’t make the your list so was wondering if it was calcium or something else that kept it off the list?
We decided to transition our English Setter puppy from Purina Large Breed Puppy Chow to Wellness Core (Thank you, HoundDogMom, for your list!).
The animal behaviorist that we are working with on Puppy Training expressed a concern over the high protein level. I know from the research I have read that the true concern should be over excessive calcium and calories, and read the articles that were posted on page one of this topic. Are they any additional science-based articles that debunk the myth of high protein being bad for puppies?
Thank you so much for this thread.
We pick up an Field Bred English Setter Puppy next week. The breeder feeds her (and all their dogs) Purina Large Breed Puppy Chow. Think I have finally convinced my husband to switch her off that once the dog settles into our new home (his argument: If it’s good enough for the breeder, why should we switch?). I can just anticipate the resistance when I try to suggest grain-free.
Are there articles about why a grain-free diet is suggested for dogs? Are there any All Stages or Puppy Foods that are not grain-free that people would recommend?
The puppy will be 8 weeks old when we pick her up.
Brands that I am leaning toward are:
Dr. Tim (not available near me, but can special order)
Appreciate feedback and open to other suggestions.