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Lol Sanne. It makes me laugh. Are those companies sending gremlins to other dog food companies to make their food cause DCM?

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Appears it’s a pet store. Yep, best place for info lol

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“I am not looking at WSAVA approved at all”…….BobbyDog just told you they do NOT approve foods. I wish you’d read what we e posted but you either don’t read it or understand it. They’re *guidelines*.

Yes any food can be spoiled. To be honest, you’re going to find fault with any food that follows WSAVA guidelines and not going to listen to us. Carry on.

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Just curious Joanne…..did you transition the Pro Plan canned food slowly into his current food?

It’s WSAVA, by the way.

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In the FB group I am in, Fromm has the fourth or fifth highest incidence of DCM. IMO, I wouldn’t feed it until we have more info.

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YES regarding DCM. Vets involved in this don’t need to know our dogs to know what to recommend until this ism”fixed”, for lack of a better term.

So…yes, if your local vet isn’t up to speed on DCM, I will definitely listen to the vets on the forefront of this over the local vet. YOU always say to listen to our vet yet you spout Skept Vet constantly and we all know you post to his blog too yet we all know he hasn’t examined your dogs. Might want to practice what you preach.

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I’m finding out that not all vets are up to speed on DCM. That’s sad so i personally refrain from telling people to ask their vets. If the vet isn’t up to speed, your dog may pay the price.

Has SkeptVet examined your dogs Anon?

Didn’t think so.

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I honestly wish you’d just say you’re going to feed what you want. You’ve made it clear you aren’t very interested in learning about DCM. I’m only answering in case others are reading, by the way, a 20 second search on Chewy showed me beef foods that follow WSAVA guidelines.

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Shawna doesn’t post her any more. Ask your veterinarian.

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Thanks BobbyDog & Sanne. Not bad for 5 something in the morning!

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Here is what I don’t get. IF we’re all talking about the same group, when you join, you agree to read the units. Quite obviously, many people don’t. Read the units, spend a little time reading posts and you don’t have to be a rocket scientist to see what the group is there for and who runs it.

Professionals started the group…ie Dr Joshua Stern and many others. I will listen to their recommendations over anyone else. They recommend feeding foods that follow WSAVA guidelines. It’s that simple. That’s the recommendation. Currently, Royal Canin, Science Diet, Eukanuba, Iams and Purina are the only WSAVA compliant. There is no “I think my food is following”…..they either are or they aren’t. It’s not an interpretation. If you think your food is, print out the guidelines and call the company. See if they are compliant. The hopes is that other companies will start following the guidelines.

Spend time reading/read the units and you will read what moderators say: there are hard & fast rules for the group. It’s science based. Opinions on many points aren’t allowed. They will be deleted. Recommend non WSAVA compliant foods….it will be deleted. Recommend home cooked or raw without being designed by a nutritionist (with credentials I’m not positive about)….it will be deleted.

It does not matter who works for who…..and I have no clue who does nor do I care. Everyone has to earn a living. If the food follows WSAVA compliant, it is recommended.

If you don’t like the group, leave. It’s that simple. It’s Facebook people. There are other groups.

If you’re here asking questions and we discuss DCM and post links to help….read them. Stop asking about other foods & if they’re good for this issue. We’ve told you what the recommendation is. If you don’t want to feed those foods….fine. It’s hard to be passionate about this issue, try to help then have people ignore. I will only continue to post in hopes others are reading and may be somewhat educated.

Again….it’s a FB group. Don’t like what they say? Leave. I have said that for years about DFA. Don’t like the reviews? There are other sites that may be to your liking.

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In the group I am in, raw and home cooked are fine as long as a board certified nutritionist (I cannot remember exactly what the credentials have to be) designs the “recipe”.

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Joanne, if you’re talking about Fromm being ok in regards to DCM, it is not okay. I’m sorry, I’ve tried to help. You’re not listening, not looking, not receptive…I’m not sure but good luck. I’m done.

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Joanne: Taurine-Deficient(Nutritional) Dilated Cardiomyopathy

There are a few DCM groups but that is the one I’m talking about.

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How come you deleted the links you originally posted?

I had positive experience with Earthborn but considering it is implicated as well in DCM, my positive experience means nothing since it has caused DCM. There’s more to this than your positive experience.

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Omg. I give up. Anon, who idolizes Skeptvet and hangs on his every word, is going to feed Fromm no matter what we say. By the way, it’s pretty hypocritical telling people to listen to what the vet who has examined your dog says, then listen to all SkeptVet says.

Joanne, you said you were going to check out the FB website. Sorry but that makes no sense. Are you on Facebook or are you not? If yes, we can point you to the group. If you are not on FB, look at the website I posted.

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I can’t remember exactly what it is but I believe Merrick is owned by Purina only. Purina has nothing to do with the manufacturing of Merrick. C4C is correct, they’re not WSAVA compliant.

Taurinedcm.org is the website for info if you’re not on FB.

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Joanne,
Are you on FB? If yes, there is a great group I can point you to. It is run by veterinarians and knowledgeable lay people who have spent months doing research. If you join the group, you will see a chart with foods that are. Implicated in DCM and also a list of the breeds and how many have DCM. This is just dogs /owners in the group.

To answer your question, I would not feed Fromm or Holistic Select. The recommendation from the experts in the group is to feed a grain inclusive food that follows WSAVA guidelines. Those foods are Royal Canin, Iams, Eukanuba, Science Diet and Purina. Fromm has been implicated in DCM in this group but not sure about Holistic Select. It does not follow the guidelines so I would not feed it. My opinion is that I’d rather feed a food that follows these guidelines until we know more.

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Thanks for posting the truth Aimee and Sanne.

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You’re right, it’s not a scare.

Kate, I made the decision very quickly and went with Pro Plan. There’s something about Hills and Iams that I said no to….no real reason. No store close to me carried much for Royal Canin and Eukanuba and I didn’t want to wait to order. So….Pro Plan it was! I couldn’t believe I was buying one of these foods so I just went with Pro Plan.

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Golden’s: you’re not the only person to go from what we thought was high quality to what we thought was garbage. I sent an email picture to a few people here to prove I brought Pro Plan! They, myself too, can’t believe I did it lol. I have my youngest on Pro Plan sensitive skin & stomach and my other two on Pro Plan Bright Minds turkey.

If you’re on fb, please join us in that group. There is so much information from professionals and other owners to help you. Good luck!

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Maybe I’m not understanding you correctly Anon in your second paragraph but who cares WHY they had diagnostic testing and echos that resulted in a n increase in DCM diagnoses? At least they were diagnosed. That’s what’s important.

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Those vets don’t recommend a food. I said they are some of the many vets,who run the group. The group recommends feeding foods that follow WSAVA guidelines.

Many have had echos done on asymptotic dogs for peace of mind, as they had fed grainfree. Some have been diagnosed with DCM.

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It’s not a blog, it’s a fb group run by vets including Dr Joshua Stern and Dr Lisa Freeman.

Hysteria? Wow. There is a long list of dogs diagnosed with DCM in just one FB group. Who knows how many dogs have died of DCM and no one even knows?

If you haven’t had echos done on your dogs, neither you nor your vet know if your dogs have DCM. If your vet thinks that Fromm is ok, well, then both of you are not informed. about DCM.

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Could be how I found out! Thanks for the upvote!

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C4C the two women are in the FB group (I can’t remember if you’re in that group)

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Kate, I hope you’ve joined the FB group!

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Anon,the group is run by veterinarians. One is Dr Stern from (if I remember correctly) UC Davis amd a other is Dr Lisa Freeman from Tufts. Both have been doing a lot of work on the DCM issue.

I’d say they, along with the other vets in the group, are, dry reliable.

There is also a spin off vet group and a spin off group for people who have lost their dogs to DCM.

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Yes I know they all have grainfree; grain inclusive is recommended.

In that particular group alone, there are over 100 breeds affected by DCM. There is one breed with more than Golden’s. That’s just this one group on FB.

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II understand. You know this was hard for me to go with Pro Plan! Better safe than sorry. On,y you can make the decision. Is your vet up to date on DCM? Are you absolutely sure?

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No offense Anon but there have been quite a few dogs on Fromm developing DCM in that group alone. I personally wouldn’t feed it now, until we know more. JMO.

Kate, maybe look at the Pro Plan Bright Minds food for the 9yr old Boston. I have two of mine on their turkey. Hope to see you in the group.

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Hi Kate!
I have fed grainfree foods for almost 20yrs. I thought it was the best. The DCM scares me. If you are on Facebook, join the group Taurine-Deficient (Nutritional) Dilated Cardiomyopathy. It is run by professionals and chock full of information. It is recommended to feed a grain inclusive food that follows WSAVA (World Small Animal Veterinary Association). Currently, the only foods that do that are Purina, Royal Canin, Eukanuba/Iams and Hills Science Diet.

I look at it this way: better to be safe than sorry. I don’t have to feed this food forever but I am until we know exactly what’s causing this.

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No the ratio of meat, bone, organs.

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It would depend what the ratios are. I also wouldn’t pay for pre-portioned. I like being able to add more if I need it or less if need be.

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I prefer just meat, bone and organ. I don’t like paying for veggies, I can add those myself. I buy from Hare Today and Reel Raw, My Pet Carnivore and Raw Feeding Miami are all good. You need something For a stand alone freezer though.

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Elizabeth,
Are you on Facebook? If yes,you should join that group. Fromm is a food that has had it number of DCM dogs in the group. If you don’t want to try Purina, SD, Eukanuba/Iams or RC, look for foods without grains, peas, legumes, potatoes.

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Hi Elizabeth,
I don’t think there is a list of top grain inclusive foods. I’m in a Facebook group for the DCM issues. The ingredients to steer clear from are grains (though I believe some cases of diet related DCM has happened on grain inclusive) , peas, legumes, potatoes.

I currently have my dogs on Natures Logic. Only grain is millet but none of the other ingredients. Some are using Farmina Ancestral Grains. The above FB group touts foods from makers following WSAVA guidelines: Purina, Science Diet, Eukanuba/Iams and Royal Canin. It seems the favored is Purina Pro Plan sensitive skin & stomach and Pro Plan Savor.

I never thought I’d feed Purina but I may try the PPP SSS next. It’s not going to kill my dogs to eat it while they figure out exactly what’s causing this but putting them back on grain free may.

I have many friends into dogs: breeders, show people and sport people. So many of them feed Pro Plan and they have dogs who live long lives and look great.

I’ve been on DFA for a very long time. Never ever would I have thought I’d contemplate a Purina food. Never. Most of the friends I’ve made here would laugh if they read this!

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No I do not know. I’m not a breeder. If I was to breed a litter (which would never happen) I would be looking to my mentor for guidance.

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Talk to your mentor.

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I don’t click links without explanation. Now I willlol!

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Not a chance am I clicking that!

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This is not the time to be figuring out your dogs food, when she’s pregnant. Ask your mentor or your trusted breeder what to feed.

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I don’t feed those kind of treats because they tend to make my dogs have upset tummies. For a Pomeranian, look for small high quality treats. If you’re in the US, I like Buddy Biscuits Itty Birdies. You can give the pup blueberries, carrots (I use the baby ones).

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It just makes you look like you’re “peddling” whatever the video is.

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Jackie O please stop spamming the forum with that link

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My dogs do excellent on Victor.

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I hadn’t used Nature’s Logic for quite a few years. Bought some for O’Malley, the only picky dog I’ve ever had and he loved it! Finally, two foods he actually likes in his rotation.

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WTF?! You haven’t seen your puppy in two days? Wonderful.

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Thanks, Vernon!

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I would think a repro vet would best be able to answer your questions.

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