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She should of have said, the scaremongering and propaganda is being driven and spread by Purina, science diet etc
I really like this write up re; DCM, it’s a bit more balanced thn the scaremongering articles i often see bandies about.
“There has recently been a rising controversy regarding the effect of Taurine on dogs. Unfortunately, some veterinarians and manufacturers are incorrectly applying the concern to all breeds of dogs and using “grain-free” foods as a scapegoat in order to push their own product agenda. The recommendations from these individuals are unfortunately setting us up for much greater problems in the near future.
• Unlike cats, dogs are able to synthesize taurine in their bodies
• Some dog breeds may suffer from taurine deficiency in relation to certain diseases and may need to have taurine added to their diets
• American Cocker Spaniels and certain giant breed dogs (produce taurine in their bodies at a slower rate) appear to be more prone to taurine deficiency
• There are no symptoms directly related to taurine deficiency, but instead symptoms are usually related to dilated cardiomyopathy (DCM) which can be caused by taurine deficiency
• Grain-free pet foods are not the cause of taurine deficiency; however, potatoes and some legumes MAY affect taurine absorption if in large enough quantities (this is still unclear and only speculation at this point) and can be found in many “grain-free” as well as “grained” pet foods
• The proportion of plant to animal protein sources may be a contributing factor (the lower the animal protein and the higher the plant protein, the more likely the food is to create low blood taurine levels)
• Many of the sick dogs from the original study had normal blood taurine levels and many of the dogs with low blood taurine levels did not respond to taurine supplementation
Studies like this can be very good for the industry and our pets so long as they are interpreted correctly and organizations do not use the findings to further their agenda. Bottomline, grain-free foods are not the villain. It is irresponsible to claim that it is the problem given the actual true facts.
Genetics, disease, and large amounts of low-nutrient dense, high glycemic carbohydrates paired with minimal animal protein appears to be the problem, and would be even more specific than just blaming grain-free foods. There are grain-free foods to avoid, just as there are “grain-in” foods to avoid. Grains are certainly not an important, needed part of a dog or cat’s diet. But neither are carbs like potatoes, or peas which are mostly found in grain-free foods. They are merely replacements for grains like rice, corn, oatmeal, and others. Unfortunately dry kibble dog food (which is the only form of dog food this should even be associated with), MUST have those types of carbs in them to make the kibble hold together. It’s almost like the “glue” to keep it in kibble form.
We KNOW for a fact that corn and wheat do not do dogs any favors when it comes to their health! Rice is normally fine for most dogs but some will suffer from itchiness and other symptoms due to it being a high-starch carb. Obviously it would be best to avoid rice for an “itchy dog”. This is why grain-free foods exist. They would normally have a higher quality source of carbs binding them and without the toxins and allergens found in cheap cereal grains. It comes down to picking the lesser of evils on the carb source and figuring out what works best for your particular dog.
At EarthWise Pet, we have a comprehensive Certified Pet Dietitian program that trains individuals through over 500 hours of pet nutrition courses and material. Our expertise allows us to assess ingredients, manufacturing, and sourcing of all of our recommended foods. Because of this certification and vetting process, we offer a variety of grain-friendly and grain-free diets with low-carbohydrate content, minimal processing and high animal-based protein levels to ensure biologically appropriate, quality nutrition for your pets with sufficient levels of Taurine. If you have concern that your breed may be predisposed to taurine deficiency, ask your EarthWise Pet associate for recommendations and to see what food is right for your furry family member. We guarantee we have one that will fit your pet’s needs and give you confidence in the ingredients, sourcing and manufacturing processes of the food you feed.
I will add that I personally know thousands of dogs. I have not yet known of one to suffer from DCM, but I have known many that have been afflicted with Cancer, Diabetes, Obesity, and general poor health. In almost all cases, the dogs were fed low-quality dry dog food for most of their lives and that would usually consist of foods loaded with grains. Why would we want to go back to those kinds of diets, grains or no grains?!”
Crazy4cats It depends who’s payroll these nutritionists are on.. I have much more respect for independent Veterinary nutritionists who arent getting paid by the big 4.
Reading some of the replies in this thread has made it crystal clear that the tone, close mindedness and blinkers are still on in the DCM group.
I will bet my bottom dollar that when this all comes to a head it will be clear as day which company is responsible for the majority of the fear mongering and propaganda..
Aimee, well yeah that story seem totally ridiculous, and is obviously made up crap.
When i was in the dcm groups, i saw members post that that they have dogs on Purina that have had DCM, posts AND members are instantly deleted. Members feeding raw/home cooked with DCM dogs, deleted. Anyone who dares mention all the other foods other than the big 4 are not welcome. I’m in many dog feeding forums and hear all the stories from previous members that were in the dcm groups, and the behaviour and scaremongering tactics that come out of those groups is pretty despicable. The absolute bottom line is to get people off of whatever they’re feeding and onto the big 4. Purina is a huge player and presence there, and a little bit of skepticism and critical thinking may help you take the blinders off.. I was a member for a few days and left in disgust and disappointment.
Just be aware that purina formulas have been implicated in DCM too, but these are not published or quickly deleted in the DCM groups. These dcm Facebook groups are over run with reps posting under the guise of regular pet owners and moderated by the big 4 reps. Also does anyone know who’s funding the tufts DCM studies?? One guess, it starts with a P. Please take anything you read on those groups with a massive pinch of salt.. They are nothing more than a big 4 cult.
I feed my adult Orijen puppy and Holistic select small mini breed puppy, he’s a small dog and prefers smaller kibble. The ingredients are exactly the same in the puppy vs adult, except with Orijen, 20% fat in the puppy instead of 18%, and there’s a 1% difference in the holistic select.
Probably because grains are an unnatural food source for dogs.
Susan, just an update on Orijen. It will be available for purchase on or around the 25th of February. Still not 100% on who exactly will be stocking it.
The distributor mentioned Mypetwarehouse being the first online store to sell Orijen. The shipment should be here from the US any day now, or might already be here now, I’ve stopped texting the guy I’m dealing with because i was constantly bombarding him with texts, and i think i was annoying him lol. We are getting all of the formulas except for Regional red (the one i really wanted!!!) and Tundra.
Canidae told me they are working on getting in the raw coated kibble, but it is way down the road at this stage. I’ll text the Orijen guy again mid January, and will give you an update.
I’m in touch with a distributor who has brought it in, it will be available online around mid February. It will 100% NOT be irradiated, and is coming from the US Kentucky plant, not the Canadian plant. We also will not be getting the Regional Red formula and possibly the Tundra, due to all the red meat in those, but all the other formulas are ok.
I remember the 2007 debacle, this wont be happening again.
I currently rotate between- Stay Loyal, Healthy everyday pets and Wellness core.
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I plan on feeding my 13mth old small Jack Russell Orijen puppy food (smaller kibble) when it finally becomes available here in Australia next month. I emailed Orijen and they said the puppy dry food is fine for Adults and is an ALS food. I compared the ingredients and GA to the Adult formula and i can barely see any differences.
My daughter has been reading many complaints about TOTW on her dog forums over the past few months. Whole litters dying or not thriving, claims of high levels of heavy metals in the food. I wont ever recommend this food again.
I live in Australia, and have fed the High Prairie and Appalachian valley TOTW formulas. My dog who has a cast iron stomach and is able to eat anything and everything can not hold down this food. He vomited regularly a few hours after eating TOTW, always with whole undigested kibble in his sick. I persevered as i had 4kgs of dog food here, but he never got used to it, and i was sick of cleaning up vomit in the middle of the night, so I threw both bags in the trash 🙁
I have rotated through many brands of kibble, and have never encountered this problem. He is now on ‘Stay Loyal” dry food, which is a grain free Australian made and owned brand, and he is thriving.
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