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Update: Wellness Core seems to be working for him so far. Maybe it was the grain or the pork? Not sure.

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Hi! I changed jobs and have way less down time….way way way less actually. So I’ve had to adjust my habits accordingly.

Yeah, no fleas. He does like to lounge and drool on his bed, and my wife does love to wash it, but the problem area seems to be localized to the ventral surface of his neck.

I’m actually on the site now to compare ingredient lists to identify the differences.

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I mistook large for meaning giant. Thank you guys.

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I found a post from HDM that says 8-10 months.

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Do they do free shipping on orders after a certain amount spent?

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I finally got my answer.

Re: Ingredient percentages
August 29, 2014 at 11:49 AM

Case,

I’m told that this information is proprietary to our formulas. I’m sorry that I am not able to get this information to you.

Cindy Montgomery
VP, Marketing
Midwestern Pet Foods, Inc.
9634 Hedden Road
Evansville, IN 47725
p 812-867-4504, ext. 107
f 812-867-0424
cmontgomery@midwesternpetfoods.com

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Well, I still haven’t heard back. I used Earthborn heavily in my rotation. It might finally be time to try Victor and Castor & Pollux.

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I like Earthborn, but they are avoiding a simple question. That also could suggest that they’re not so proud of the information, and it’s certainly reason enough for me to consider not using their products.

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If this was the case, why would Acana, Evo, Orijen, Timberwolf, Victor, etc, etc print the info on their bags?

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I live in rural Mississippi. We have a Petsense but their selection is limited. Earthborn is really the only brand they carry that I use. I ended up with the Meadow Feast. The local feed stores don’t carry anything worth mentioning. Theres a tractor supply about 30 miles from here but I haven’t checked out what they have bc I’ve been ordering from chewy and petflow.

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I’m already in trouble with the wife for the amount of time that I’ve spent reading over the past few days, so as much as I’d like to, I can’t read this thread from the beginning. I downloaded the list on page 15 but still have a few questions. We’ve recently added an English Mastiff x Great Dane pup to our family. My other dog is currently on a bag of Earthborn Primitive Natural. From what I gather it’s calcium/phosphorous/calorie content is not much different from Orijen’s large breed formula. I can get the meadow feast formula locally but I frown on the single source of amino acids. The only other decent food that I can get locally is blue wilderness large breed. My wife plans to top the food with 1/2 tablespoons of pumpkin and jack mackarel. Would the primitive naturals be too much? (1.5 calcium, 1.0 phosphorous, 20% fat)? Should I go ahead with the blue (not a huge fan but need a bag of food today).

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Thanks!

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I’m in the process of researching the price and protein/fat levels of all of the five star rated foods. I intend to eliminate Canidae Grain Free Pure and Diamond Naturals Extreme Athlete from my rotation. I’m hoping to find a couple of brands with a few different protein sources >30%.

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Why take a dog to the vet in the first place if you are noncompliant with treatment? Just curious.

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If I’m not mistaken, DFA reviews are based strictly on the ingredients and the area for feedback is in place for situations just as this.

Have you considered Orijen Six Fish or Regional Red?

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Aha! I wasn’t aware that GL cooked their meat first.

Of the two products that I posted is the GL MUCH better or just better? And how does it compare to a five star canned food?

Please excuse my ignorance, and thanks for the info.

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So, is freeze dried food considered dry food? Is it better than kibble? What about canned?

If so, it could be the next step in the evolution of my feeding habits.

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If I can go raw for less than Orijen, I’m likely to do that in the future.

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It’s not raw?! My bad! I’m trying to watch Criminal Minds and research food at the same time…obviously it’s not working out for me

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I still need to figure weight in there somehow to get a figure, don’t I?

Is it Price/kg x kg/calories?

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Ok. With those two products:

Grandma Lucy’s: 4162 kcal/kg; 591 cal/cup

Orijen Puppy: 4080 kcal/kg; 490 kcal/cup

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I use this recipe for Satin Balls:

1 pound of raw ground beef
8oz package of cream cheese
1 jar of all-natural peanut butter
12 egg yolks
10oz package of wheat germ
a cup of flaked oats that have been soaked in heavy cream

Mix ingredients. Form the mixture into balls and freeze. Thaw and feed as treats or food supplements as desired.

My dog LOVES them. I roll them into small balls and use them for treats.

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Thank y’all. I think I’m going to end up trying some of these brands (after more research).

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Alrighty then!

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Hi Case,

That decision has not been made yet, it will be two years before the kitchens in Kentucky will be producing any products. Stay posted to our website for any updates.

Thank you,

Diana
Customer Care
Champion Petfoods LP

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Scott,

Have you moved on?

I’m trying to get a Champion rep to commit to an answer about the availability of Canadian product after the Kentucky kitchen is cooking. I’ll post updates in my Orijen ingredients thread.

/forums/topic/orijen-ingredients/

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Diana,

I’m still unclear whether or not Canadian product will be available to the US market after the Kentucky kitchen is up and running.  Will it?

Thanks,
Case

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Hello Case,
 
Your trust means everything to us. We understand your concern regarding our new Kentucky Kitchens and want to openly discuss that with you.  
 
We don’t make pet foods like other companies do. As a leader and innovator in making pet foods, Champion works to our own standards. These are our standards, not USDA, not FDA, not CFIA. These agencies set minimum standards which we exceed exponentially. Why?  Because our Mission and our Values dictate that we do, and that’s what pet lovers expect from us.
 
Our standards and values require that all of our ingredient partners, team members, quality and safety protocols and kitchen facilities are focussed on upholding and advancing our Biologically Appropriate mandate, and earning the trust of pet lovers day and in day out.
 
We choose our ingredient partners carefully, and we set quality and nutritional standards to meet our own food standards. In Kentucky, we will be engaging regional farmers, ranchers and fishermen whose values that match our own, that we can be proud to name. These suppliers will be providing fresh and custom ingredients that are sustainably and ethically produced.
 
Building brand new, custom-fitted kitchens in Kentucky provide us a tremendous opportunity to advance our BAFRINO mandate of making Biologically Appropriate foods from Fresh, Regional Ingredients, in our own Kitchens. These three key philosophies have built trust in our brands worldwide, and we fully intend to continue to build on this foundation.
 
Champion is different. Our custom Kentucky kitchens will produce ORIJEN and ACANA foods that set a new standard for the foods that we feed to our companion cats and dogs, we guarantee it.
 
There is a FAQ on our website regarding the kitchens in Kentucky, which I think that you will find helpful.
http://www.championpetfoods.com/kentucky/ThinkKentuckyThinkFAQ.pdf
 
You can use both my email and the link to the FAQ’s for your message board.
 
Kind regards,
 
 
Diana
Customer Care
Champion Petfoods LP

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Diana, 
 
Thank you for your reply. I do have another question for you. 
 
From what I’ve read, I understand that the Kentucky kitchen will supply the US market. Everyone seems to think that the product produced in Canada will no longer be available to US customers. I speak for many when I say that US customers want to continue using Canadian made product as well. The notion that selection will be limited has ALREADY upset some customers enough that they are threatening to stop using champion products as soon as selection is limited. Can you clarify what Champion’s plans are?
 
Also, may I share your replies on a private dog food message board, to satisfy the curiosity of my peers?
 
Thanks for your time.

Case

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Hello,

Thank  you for taking the time to write to us.

Fresh fruits and vegetables can be stored and kept fresh once harvested with the use of cold storage. Fresh BC apples are available in grocery stores year round, this is possible because the apple suppliers are able to store the apples without freezing or processing them. Similarly, whole fruits and vegetables that supply important vitamins and nutrients in their natural form can be delivered to us fresh and preservative free year round.

The chickens, turkeys and ducks are housed in barns to protect them from the elements and predators and can roam free in this environment.

Fish can be harvested year round, ice fishing in the winter time.

I hope that I have been helpful and please let me know if I can be of further assistance.

Kind regards,

 
Diana
Customer Care
Champion Petfoods LP

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Orijen gave me permission to post their replies, so here goes:

Original Question:

I have a question about the year-round availability of fresh local ingredients. I’m from the southern US, our climate is much warmer and we can’t produce fresh fruits and veggies all year.

How is it possible to have fresh locally grown fruit and veggies in Canada in winter? What about free range poultry? Wild caught fish?

Thanks for your time.
Case

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Since nobody is sharing their thoughts on the fresh ingredient topic…what kibbles do you two use?

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I have no problem accepting the poultry/barn answer.

For the most part I’m ok with the produce/cold storage answer. Call me a skpetic but I still question the shelf life of some of the ingredients (blueberries, cranberrires, spinach greens). It makes me wonder just how much difference there is between cold storage and freezing.

I really don’t know what to make of the year round availability of fish. I’ve read where other people have said that Orijen told them that they acquire farmed fish at times. The rep that e-mailed me made no mention of farmed fish but she did mention ice fishing. I’ve never been in more than maybe six inches of snow and I’m not much of a fisherman, so I have no clue here.

I’m still wondering what do you guys think.

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It’s the percentage of meat ingredients.

I already use EHGFPN, and planned to try Brothers after reading about it earlier today. I will check out the others. Thanks.

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After reading their Document, I will probably try it too.

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Can Shaquille O’Neal and Danny Devito handle the same food?

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The Orijen rep basically said:

fruits and vegetables are kept fresh with the use of cold storage

chickens, turkeys and ducks are housed in barns in the winter but not caged

fish are caught year round

I made an inquiry about the availability of Canadian product after the Kentucky kitchen opens, and will update you guys when I get a reply.

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Thank you zolicyclus! She’s an APBT down from the Watchdog line.

The probiotic/enzyme combo that I’m using contains 10 million CFU of L. Casei, B. Thermophilium, E. Faecium, & 375 million CFU of S. Boulardii. I’m also using Orijen, so I’ll have to do some research this week.

You have to register your e-mail address at gravatar.com to upload a pic for an avatar. It’s fast and easy. We’d love to see your dogs.

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I don’t claim to be well read or experienced with probiotics, but I wasn’t aware that E. Faecium was not recommended. Doesn’t Orijen spray their kibble with it?

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There are companies that use human grade ingredients, but due to liability issues I seriously doubt that any manufacturer will recommend human consumption.

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I don’t see a like button?

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What are you feeding? What brand are your supplements?

I’ve had similar issues and just started probiotucs/enzymes 3 days ago.

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Tina,

You’ve been rude and downright childish on several occasions.

You’ve used foul language.

You’ve threatened to euthanize your dogs.

You’ve posted in multiples.

You’ve asked loaded questions and argued with replies.

You’ve even went so far as to question Dr Mike’s credibility and accuse his site of making unauthorized charges to your credit card.

It amazes me that this has been allowed.

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I haven’t heard back from Orijen yet, so I worked up the nerve to call them today…but I didn’t get an answer and I didn’t leave a voicemail.

When I finally start communicating with somebody I also intend to clarify whether or not Canadian formulas will be available to the US after the Kentucky kitchen opens (and express great disappoinment if they won’t be).

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Isn’t this a private forum?

If someone from Champion is indeed monitoring our conversations then they know that the reason we choose Orijen is the quality. If the quality goes, so does our business.

Scott,

I didn’t intend to form a mob to disagree. I found your post thought provoking and would like to hear the opposing viewpoint from someone as well spoken as you.

If someone were inclined to join you in boycotting Champion, what other brands would you recommend?

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Amy,

No. I was looking forward to the new formulas.

Only time will tell, but quality is what earned them their customer base. I don’t see why they’d spend a lot of money to cut corners and produce an inferior product.

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I agree. I also don’t understand why they’d limit their largest market to products made in Kentucky.

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TOTW is expensive?

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I’d like to hear the general consensus here. Do you guys agree or disagree with Scott?

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Perhaps my dog just isn’t picky then.

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