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  • #120482
    Susan
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    @ Joanne, vet diets are great, but when a dog has acid reflux these vet diets are VERY high in omega oils, especially the R/C intestinal Low Fat wet can food…these oils can make acid reflux worse, I have to get paper towels & dab the R/C loaf dry before feeding it & remove all the oil first or Patch has a gulping swollowing attack, same as a few other dogs who are in Pancreatitis & IBD groups same happens with them….. Hills doesn’t seem to add as much omega oils in their I/d Digestive Care range…
    Better to feed fresh lean ingredients when dog has stomach problems, home made meals are better as you are adding your own ingredients….

    @ Ruth
    for 2-3 days feed lean home cooked meals no vet diet, then next 2-3 days just fed vet diet, see what days she doesnt want to vomit or feels nausous…With 20mg Omeprazole given once a day you will see result in 1-2 weeks as long as diet is agreeing with her??

    #120315

    In reply to: How to handle bone

    Thanks for the tips. I didn’t think of freezing the RMB out of fear it would crack her teeth.

    Could this gulping be because she doesn’t have enough teeth to chew yet? I watched her swallow a steak tip strip with minimal chewing. Only after reading your responses did I start putting two and two together. Gotta slow my girl down! LOL!

    Thanks again

    #120066
    Susan
    Participant

    Hi Ryan,

    gee Zonisamide can cause bad side effects, I hope your vet knows what she is doing?
    I’d rather try a ant acid medication like Pepcid or Zantac first as it will have less side effects & rememeber he’s a small dog, so 1/2 what ever dose the vet prescribes “if” she does prescribe Zonisamide….Vets normally prescribe Gabapentin, it’s also a cheap drug, 100 x 100mg capsules for $12-$15 with a script from chemist… Gabapentin is from the same family as Zonisamide, my vet tried Patch on the Gabapentain for his IBD stomach pain & said it will also help his lower back pain, he has a square left hip socket, it isn’t round like it should be, my vet said a few of her IBD cat & dog patients are taking Gabapentin for stomach, pancreas & nerve pain, stress & anxieties, & nervous dogs. Gabapentin seems to treat a heap of different health problems…..
    I took Gabapentin for nerve pain beginning of the year & it made me feel very light headed, I had to stop taken it & I think the same thing must of happened with Patch when he took 100mg x Gabapentin, he didn’t feel too well & just stayed in his bed 1/2 the next day, he normally comes up to me & whinges lets go for a walk but not when he was on Gabapentin, at first the vet prescibe him 100mg for Patch to be taken twice a day but I just gave it to him once a day before bed when he had his IBD pain in stomach, he didn’t move all night, he stayed in the same position, he normally sits up & stretches & turns around thru the night, so the vet said 1/2 the 100mg capsule & only give it to him when he has his stomach pain or his lower back, again he slept like a log & the next day he wasnt himself, so I dont give it to him no more especially after I’ve taken it in January & I felt like crap…

    I hope it was just from the higher fat 18%+ dry Nulo food & the wet sachet food & he just needs a diet change & maybe something like the sucarafate to line his stomach, also don’t feed any of the real sloppy wet stew sachet/tin wet foods, when they burp it comes back up repeating on them causing acid reflux, maybe between the two foods he was eating they have caused his problems… but if it does happen again, if you do have any heartburn lollies give him one or 4-5ml Liquid Mylanta is best, the white chalky stuff to calm everything down & line his esophagus & see is he heaps better after taken heartburn stuff…Mylanta is like the Sucarafate tablet when its made into a slurry but Mylanta is cheaper & I think better. I keep a small bottle in the fridge just incase Patch wakes up swollowing & gulping at 3am they act frantic & don’t know what to do, its like a panic attack, I give Mylanta then I rub Patches throat downwards towards his chest & stomach so the acid goes back down & try to get him back to sleep. I have his head higher then his back/bottom, he sleeps with one of my L- Shaped pillows so his head is always higher then his bum so if any acid does come up while sleeping it stays down….

    #120063
    Susan
    Participant

    Hi Ryan,
    is your boy on any medications for Arthritis pain, as these can cause stomach problems, ulcers etc?
    You have to be careful you do “not” want to confuse your vet….
    When a dog has a seizure they don’t respond while having a seizure, their body/muscles are all tense & tight, there’s no mouth licking or gulping they do not respond….
    This is awful to watch but this is a dog having a seizure
    the dog does not lick or swollow like when a dog has bad acid that has come up into the dogs mouth…
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzZ-IgD7HXs

    Yes, all vet diets are very high in omega oils, the Hills Z/D & Royal Canine Hypoallergenic skin wet & dry vet diet formula’s are VERY high in Omega oils for skin & can upset their stomach, Patch can NOT eat any vet diets or normal premium kibbles for his skin problems, most of the vet diets give him bad acid reflux especially when he eats a fish kibble, even the Intestinal Health vet diets wet & dry give him bad acid reflux 🙁 ….
    After trying nilly all the vet diets, I finally worked it out, his acid reflux was from all the omega oils & I saw Dr Judy Morgan “Pacreactitis Again” video, Judy talks about her 16-17yr old dog who suffers with Pancreatitis & other health problems, she worked out her dog can NOT have any fish oils, the same thing happens acid reflux or a Pancreas flare…
    I stick with dry foods that have Canola oil, Sunflower/vegetable oil or Flaxseed, Patch ends up licking & swollowing like you said around 1hr after eating these high omega oil foods & high carb foods, especially when you see a fish oil, flaxseed, corn oil, within the first 5 ingredients….
    I feed tin pink salmon in spring water drain water add 1/2 boiled sweet potatoes, salmon isn’t as oily like Sardines are..your dog would like that as a small meal, see how he goes…

    When I see Patch starting to do his swolling, licking mouth, or doing his weird mouth thing, this is when I give him 1/2 a ant acid quick eze berry chew & tell him chew chew & he chews the quick eze chew, then 20mins later he seems heaps better, they’re not that expensive at supermarket you can get the plain white quick eze lollie, there’s another ant acid chew/lollie a few people in the Pancreatis support f/b group use for their dogs when they’re having a licking swolling attack from bad acid reflux, they use Rennie tabs, I’d give one of these a try next time you see him starting to have an attack, probably will work better then the Sucarafate, the Sucarafate didn’t really help Patch, he wanted to eat grass after I gave him his Sucarafate slurry…
    Something better then the Sucarafate tablets is Slippery Elm Powder, it stops nausea, acid reflux helps with stomach problems..
    Get 1 teaspoon of the Slipery elm powder put in cup, boil the jug & slowley add boiling water to the slipery elm powder in a cup & stir till you have a thick slurry, put 1 teaspoon of the Slippery Elm Slurry on a plate to cool then see if your dog will lick it up, Patch licked it up once then didn’t again, so I had to get a 20ml syringe & pull up 5ml & give 20mins before he eats, then cover the cup with foil & put in fridge, it turns into a jelly slurry & need to be heated, takeout about 1 spoon put in the microwave or I just add some boiling water to about 1 spoon that you’ve taken out of the cup then when its can be pulled up into a syringe just use 5mls…

    You still have to make sure what they’re eating isn’t too high in fat or omega oils & ingredients agree with your dog… Have you looked at the Rice dry formula’s?
    It has taken me 5yrs to work out Patch..

    His Sphincter flap from stomach to esophagus mighten be closing properly & the acid is washing back up into throat & mouth, you’ll need something stronger to settle this, if the Sucarafate isnt helping him… so he doesn’t end up with a sore throat & burnt wind pipe like Patch ended up with, he may have an Ulcer?? Ulcers happen cause of too much acid, you need ant acid blocker meds to stop the acid burning the ulcer & it can heal…

    Sometimes no matter what Patch eats he just has a few bad days, sometimes it all starts again when I feed a wet can/sachet or the low fat vet diet for lunch, so I avoid the wet foods for a 3-5 days & just feed 4-5 small kibble meals…

    With a dry food look for 10%-15%max-fat, sometimes a food will be 14.5% fat, that why I say 15% max fat, the lower the fat & protein & the higher the carbs, so you have to find a dry kibble that works for your dog..
    Wet foods arent low enough that are sold at Pet Shops, you ned under 3%max fat in a wet foods, best to email the pet food companies ask what the fat when converted to dry matter fat & the MAX fat % you’ll have shock, some wet foods are high…

    I have found the Large Breed formula’s work best for Patch, as they arent too high in carbs or fat, the protein is over 26% & seems to help reduce his acid reflux…. I stay around-13%-fat & 34%-protein.

    Have you tried any of the Purina One formula’s a few people say their dog does well on Purina One formula’s here’s, but I looked & some are 16%, 17%, 18 % in fat, so way too high in fat for your boy, this Purina One formula large breed formula looks good, the fat is 13%, protein-26%, fiber is 4.5% the fiber is not too high & the carbs are about 40% carbs-
    these ingredients are like the Intestinal Health vet diets minus the high Omega Oils….
    https://www.purinaone.com/dogs/products/dry-dog-food/smartblend-large-breed-adult
    or if you find a good brand you like just have a look at their large breed formula ingredients & fat protein %..

    Most small breed dog foods are higher in fat & higher in Kcals per cup, so avoid all small dog foods.. Have you looked at Senior foods? they normally are lower in fat around 10-12% fat & higher protein…
    With his skin, I know Patches skin would itch with some of those ingredients in Purina One BUT Patches vet always tells me, we fix his stomach problems first then we’ll deal with his skin problems, in the mean time continue his weekly baths to relieve his itch & use baby creams to relieve any itchy red skin….

    Have you looked at the Nulo Grain Free Style Weight management formula.
    https://www.nulo.com/our-food/dog-food/medalseries-weight-management-chicken-and-sweet-potato-recipe/
    Just becareful with fish dog foods the Nulo Cod & Lentil formula didn’t do well & came back High in Metals & Process Contaminates in this last testings…
    Most of the Nulo fish formula’s the Puppy & Small breed also came back high in metals & contaminates but they have good ingredient quality….just got a bad fish supplier 🙁

    This will not go away over night, it takes time to find the right dry food, the right ant acid meds, the right routine & feed more smaller meals a day instead of just the 2 bigger meals a day..
    I know your head is probably spinning with all the info, but there might be something I do for Patch that might also help your boy, all the things that have helped Patch & alot of other dogs…
    By the way what is his name??

    #120039
    Ryan K
    Participant

    That is a great idea and you read my mind. I was just looking at videos of seizures online when your response came through. I will do that the next time he has one of his attacks. The seizures do look pretty close to what he does. Lots of gulping, licking air and then going crazy on the floors trying to ingest anything in his path. Very very similar. I just left a message to my vet asking if she would happen to be ok with doing a trial on an anticonvulsant if he has another episode in the next few days. I hope she ok’s that. I don’t think she will. But, we will see! 🙂

    #119984
    anonymous
    Member
    #119983
    Susan
    Participant

    Hi Ryan.
    Yes see vet & ask for Omeprazole (Prilosec) ant acid blocker & trial him for 14 dyas & see if he gets better, also Diet change, it’s making his acid reflux worse..
    My Patchy was doing the same eating grass & anything in the yard to get the acid out of mouth & throat.. You could try an ant acid medication that isnt as strong as Omeprazole like Famotidine (Pepcid) take 30mins before meals twice a day or Ranitidine (Zantac) worked better with Patch, the Pepcid is an older ant acid drug…
    I also was giving Patch Liquid Mylanta when he was waking up 3-4am having a licking attack then wanting to go outside & eat everything in the back yard, another thing that helps is a piece of white bread made into toast & give the dry toast cut in pieces, toast helps stop the gulping & licking…
    I have found when Patch is eating a High Kcals kibbles over 370Kcals per cup the acid starts, also when he eats a high Carb kibble & high fat over 15% fat, he has to stay around 10-14%-fat & protein around 28-35% Look at the Large Breed diets as they are made to reduce digestive problems in large breed dogs….
    I know you have a small dog same as Patch he’s an English Staffy but the large breed formula’s have the lower Kcals, lower fat & higher protein & are high in Glucosamine & Chondroitin, for their joints, Patch is doing well on Wellness Core Large Breed formula I buy the 6kg bag or look a Senior formula, they have lower fat, higher protein but I dont know if the Kcals are under 360per cup? you have a better range in America the higher the Kcals the more dense the dry kibble so harder to digest…..

    STOP the wet can food ASAP this happened with my Patch at Xmas he got that bad the acid went into his wind pipe & burnt his esophagus & wind pipe I had endoscope + biopsies done the vet also said his Sphincter flap isnt closing properly from stomach to espohagus & the stomach acid is washing back up the wet can food made everything worse… now he only gets a little bit of wet food but its a low fat vet diet the fat is 1.7% & no gravy wet can foods the vet food has to be loaf style, the Hills I/d Digestive Care Low Fat Loaf or boil some chicken breast & bpil some sweet potatoes & you can freeze is small meals
    Poor Bugger he’s the same age as Patch, its awful watching them suffer & you feel helpless the Omeprazole is excellent everything stopped & he got better until I moved last December & I started buying wet can foods that were 4% fat,
    When convert 4-5% fat in a wet food to dry matter (Kibble fat) 4-5% fat is around 20 25% fat, Patch was already on Omeprazole 20mg had been on Omeprazole nilly 2 yrs but it wasn’t working as well no more or the wet can food I was feeding made everything worse, now Patch takes another PPI, Pantoprazole 20mg & the Pantoprazole seems to help the reflux & works better then the Omeprazole, vets in Australia only give Ompraozole 20mg so Patches vet writes me scripts & I buy from the cheap chemist $5.99 for 30 tablets, I also take Pantoprazole for my GORD but a higher dose….

    I do not think he need to see a Neurologist like Anon ALWAYS recommends, first try the and acid blocker Omeprazole or Pantoprazole 10-20mg once a day in morning around the same time & stop feeding ant wet can/sachet food & look for another dry food that agrees with him better, avoid small breed formula’s as some are higher in Kcals & fat%..

    #119980
    anonymous
    Member

    Did you check the search engine? https://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/forums/search/gulping/

    As you can see, some ridiculous responses. Please have a talk with your vet, ask him to call you back when he has a minute. Don’t be foolish, food won’t fix this.

    Your dog needs the expertise of a veterinary healthcare professional and real medication (not supplements)
    I know how frustrating it is, I have the credit card bills to prove it. :-/

    PS: Ask your vet if you can just treat the symptoms? Anticonvulsants? If your priority is care and comfort rather than diagnosis and treatment, tell your vet..

    #119976
    Ryan K
    Participant

    I have a 9 year old terrier dachshund mix that goes through these weird days where he just suddenly starts gulping and licking his mouth and then proceeds to lick furiously at the floors and the carpet and then wants to go outside to eat weeds and grass. He winds up throwing it up eventually but not instantly. He has been doing this for about a year or so now. His first incident was scary with him eating several socks and throwing them up all night. I was lucky he didn’t have a blockage! I have had x-rays done and bloodwork with nothing really showing anything I would think is causing this. He did have high triglycerides but we retested and his levels came back normal. He had an elevated albumin in his urine so we have to retest that soon. Why does he keep doing this??? He is on Nulo Turkey and sweet potato as well as the packets of wet food that they have. Is this acid reflux? I can’t afford any expensive diagnostic testing at this time. I want to bring him to the vet again but are they even going to be able to do anything without wanting him to get scoped at this point? I can’t afford a 1k endoscopy at the time as I just lost my job and have no additional credit to even use for that. Has anyone else had this happen? Any ideas on what to do for this? I’m so frustrated!

    #115000
    Keenie W
    Member

    PS
    You may have to do this for an hour or so, but it beats a trip to the ER. Just keep soothing and distracting him until the gulping has stopped, and then keep at it for a little while longer to make sure they don’t come back. Good luck!

    Keenie W
    Member

    I’ve found a way to stop my dog’s gulping attacks and wanted to share what I do, in the hope that it might also work with other dogs. My dog has been having these gulping episodes a few times a year, where he also frantically starts licking the floor. I used to race him to the ER, but since they’ve yet to figure out a cause/treatment, I started trying different things to see if I could find a way to stop them myself, and by golly, it looks like I have! I recently discovered that when I distract my dog, he momentarily stops gulping/licking, and when I keep him distracted and calm for 10-20 min, I find the episode has resolved. It’s worked three times now!

    The first thing I do is place a small amount of water in his food bowl, with two cooked peas (his favorite), which forces him to lap up most of the water in order to get to them. My reason for doing this is in case he’s got a hair irritating his esophagus, causing him to gulp, it’ll wash it down. I honestly don’t think this is the case, but I start with this anyway, as I’ve yet to figure out what causes these episodes. Then I lay down next to him and get/keep his attention by using a soothing low voice to weave all the words he knows, like – go for a ride in the car, squirrels, doggy, ball, good boy, sleepy … into one long nonsensical monologue or lullaby, and as he’s cocking his head back and forth listening, I slowly run one hand gently down the length of his throat repeatedly (to relax it), while using my other hand to pet his favorite spot. I don’t know if what I’m doing to his throat actually does anything, or if it’s just the act of getting him to relax that does, but this combo works for us! He had another attack that I was able to stop last night, and since I know so many others also have dogs with these gulping attacks, I wanted to share this.

    I hope this works for someone else, as well!

    #112027
    David M
    Member

    Hi All,
    Our 3 year old mutt named pepper has been dealing with the gulping episodes for several years now. We are fairly certain its psychological/anxiety issues. The episodes almost always happen at night around 1-2 am and are random every few months or so. However today she had one at 5pm before dinner and another just now at 2am. I haven’t tried anything in terms of antacids, i honestly didn’t know dogs could eat them. often she just eats grass for 45 mins and settles down. We have her annual check-up tommorow and ill be sure to mention many of the things listed in this thread, big thanks in advance, glad to know we aren’t alone!

    #111894
    Mike S
    Member

    Hi Deb. Thanks for the info. We’re just outside Boston and have visited a neurologist at MassVet since i last posted. Currently, Mozzie is on 20MG Prilosec, 20MG Fluoxetine, and 500MG Levetiracetam (x2) each day so basically treating many of the possibile causes though not knowing which is causing the gulpies at this time. Since the last major gulping incident his primary care vet also had us transition him to Hills Z/D canned. During the transition, he had some occasional minor gulps that didn’t turn manic. We used distraction techniques during these recent minor episodes and he usually stops in a minute or so, which is interesting. Thankfully, no gulps for the past few days. We have a follow-up appointment this week to discuss next steps.

    #111890
    Susan
    Participant

    Hi Holly,
    what has Rooney been eating when these gulping episode started?
    With Omeprazole (Prilosec) it needs to be taken daily same time is best given in the morning before breakfast, I give Patch 1 x 20mg Losec as soon as he wakes up, by the time I make my cuppa, feed the cat & prepare Patches breakfast he has waited 20mins so the Losec has had time to dissolve in stomach & send msg to brain, do not release hydrochloric acid into stomach, just make sure when you do give any tablets you use a syringe filled with water & put the Losec tablet on back of tongue down his throat then put syringe in the side of his mouth & push water out of syringe into moouth so the tablet goes into the stomach & doesnt sit in his throat & dissolve….
    When Rooney seems to be having bad acid reflux give the Prilosec for 3-4 days then if you want to stop giving the Losec stop but once he takes the Prilosec more then 15-20 days you need to reduce slowly 2 days give then 1 day none etc, in the beginning I use to give Patch Losec for 3-4 days on, then 3 days off the Prilosec depending if he started his gulping, then I realised he was heaps better while taking his Losec so he’s been on Losec 2yrs now but last week I changed him over to 20mg-Somac (Pantropazole) another Proton Pump Inhibitor (PPI) as Patches lower esohageal Sphincter flap isnt closing properly now & the acid is washing back up into his throat & wind pipe, certain foods make it worse he can NOT eat wet can foods or cooked food now only kibble seems to sstay down…

    I havent read your post properly but if your dog is taking Apoquel (a drug I wouldnt give Patch after reading the bad side effects), Apoquel can cause bad side effects with some dogs, I’ve read alot of dogs vomiting, nausea, diarrhea, sleeping all day etc the company that makes Apoquel has brought out Cytopoint Injection now, Cytopoint Injection has less side effects, the injection is given every 4-8 weeks depending on the dog.
    I would also start your dog on a limited ingredient diet, 1 carb & 1 lean meat protein, just in case he has food sensitivities & is reacting to a few ingredients & getting itchy skin, smelly yeasty ears/paws or intestinal problems, keep the fat around 10 to 14% for a dry kibble, with wet can foods around 3% & under for fat when you convert 3%min fat in wet/raw can foods it’s around 8%min to 12%max fat…
    The vet diet Hills I/d may have ingredients he’s sensititive too & he’s reacting also vet diets are very high in omega oils that can cause bad acid reflux, Patch & a few other dogs that have IBD, IBS etc don’t do too well on vet diets….
    Do you belong to any face book groups for Canine IBD or “Canine Pancreatitis support group” has a few dogs with IBD, IBS, Food sensitivities, or “Dog Issues, Allergies & other Information Support group” has dogs with food senitivities, allergies, itchy skin, paws, ears etc dogs with most health problems…
    Have you tried the “Natural Balance” LTD dry -Sweet Potato & Bison or Potato & Duck or Sweet Potato & Fish formula’s? I dont know which wet Natural Balance LTD can food has 3% & under for fat here’s the conversion calculator so you can save & convert the fat protein fiber in wet can foods raw foods if you buy them the etc http://www.k-9kraving.com/resources/calculator.php

    #111868
    Holly D
    Member

    Further on above post… Rooney got up and was heading into that full blown gulping panic to get out and eat grass. I read that Omeprazole can take a while to act but Pepcid can give relief in minutes so I gave him a Pepcid, a couple of pieces of kibble and a couple of spoonfuls of the gravy from the ID food. I let him eat a little grass but he did not vomit this time.
    Thinking how when I have my migraines, I massage the acupressure points that associate for headaches I thought maybe there could be something similar for dogs…and, yes, there are charts for dogs. Figured it was worth a shot.
    I started to massage where they said – on the outside hind leg, just below the knee, in a clear depression in the middle of the muscle toward the front of the leg – and the minute I started, Rooney let out a big burp! Maybe it helped a little?
    He’s still having little gulping spurts but I’ll see how he is this morning and probably still take him to the vet later today.

    #111867
    anonymous
    Member
    #111866
    Holly D
    Member

    I am so glad to have found this post! So much helpful information.
    Rooney had an episode of the gulping, frantic grass eating and vomiting about a year ago. I noticed for about the last week he would gulp every so often then Monday night (it is now Weds morning) he had a full blown episode! I gave him Omeprazole right when it started and another yesterday and this morning but the vomiting and some slight gulping has been going on since. I gave him a little rice with a bit of sensitive stomach ID canned food last night but he threw it up around 4am this morning. Not sure if I should feed him or not this morning. Fortunately, he is not frantically eating grass and seems calm now but he has not been able to keep anything down since and still has the gulping every so often. He still wants to eat, is drinking water and pooping normal. Figured I’d take him to the vet today just to be on the safe side.
    He is a basset hound and tends to eat anything he can find! I thought maybe it was prompted by something he ate…but, he was also on a round of antibiotics a couple of weeks ago for an ear infection so I though maybe his stomach flora is messed up.
    Also – he is on Apoquel – is anyone else’s dog taking this for allergies? I was wondering if that could be causing a problem??
    It is so horrible to watch them go through this and I hate to see Rooney so uncomfortable! It’s a been a rough couple of nights up and down and out at all hours. I’ve been up since 4 this morning and guess who is back curled up and sleeping soundly in my spot in the bed? 🙂

    #109906
    Mike S
    Member

    Thank you so much for your response, Susan. You’ve provided so much useful info and I’ll be sharing it with our vet later this week. I’ll be sure to discuss the Protein Pump Inhibitor points you raised. Mozzie is back home from the emergency vet. Exhausted, but not gulping at the moment. I’m so sorry for what you and Patch are dealing with but also thankful for forums like these where people reach out to help others in need. The gulpies are such a terrible condition. I hope to report back with good news at some point.

    #109904
    Susan
    Participant

    Hi Mike S,
    My Patch went down hill real quickly after we had moved 2 months ago so he had an Endoscope + Biopsies last Tuesday, his biopsies results said he has Spiral Helicobactor-Pylori back but mild this time, he has Gingitivis back molars so he had his teeth cleaned while he was under to have the Endoscope done, he has Gastritis, he has red inflammation down his wind pipe, the lower esophageal spincter flap that closes to the esophagus & wind pipe isnt closing, I’d say this is what might be happening with your boy & there’s nothing that can be done my vet said except keep Patch on a Protein Pump Inhibitor like Omeprazole or Pantoprazole, I asked my Dr when I seen him the day after Patch had his Endoscope & my Dr said you can not do anything except take Somac or Losec one of the Protein Pump Inhibitors that have long-lasting reduction of stomach acid being made & coming up the esophagus into the mouth, this taste awful when te acid comes into the mouth, the Holistic Vet came into the Vets room I was in to tell me have I tried Carafate made into a slury you break half the tablet & add about 15ml water dissolve carafate in bowl then pull back up into syringe & give to the dog this didn’t seem to help Patch when I woke him up 6am to give to him before he eats breakfast, he got up went outside did his wee then he started gulping grass this was before he had the Endoscope done I tried Carafate dissolved in water, the Holistic vet has a pug who has similar problems to Patch gulping etc her dog was finally put on Losec & is getting better with her gulping episodes & she gives her the Garafate made into a slurry to soothe the throat & esophagus…

    Patch has been on the losec 2 years this April 20mg every morning same time, are you still giving your boy the Prolosec every day in morning?? it can be giving with food its not like pepcid, Losec (Omeprazole) works differently & is heaps better then the Pepicid (Famotidine) we dont have the Famotidine in Australia no more, Pepcid is an old ant acid drug & needs to be given before food, Im changing Patch from his Losec to Pantoprazole (Somac) thats what I take I have Non Ulcer Dispepsia where the flap doesn’t close when the brain sends the msg for flap to close, I have tried a few different Protein Pump Inhibitor medication then I got a new Gastro Dr when I moved back in 2001 & he said start taken Pantoprazole (Somac) it’s the best drug for Esophagaeal problems, I have C.R.E.S.T & C.O.R.D I get heartburn/acid reflux coming back up into throat/mouth & got better after being put on te Pantopazole (Somac) even stopped my Nuasea, now I really want to try the Pantoprazole with Patch but the vet thet did Patch Endoscope & Biopsies rung me last night & he said he has been looking at all the research & there’s not much scientific research on Pantoprazole with dogs & he said the Paantoprazole is very similair to the Omeprazole (Losec)… Patch is taken the Triple Therapy again Metronidazole, Amoxicilian & Losec again for 3 weeks to get rid of his Spiral Helicobacter & the vet is hoping this will stop the acid coming up into Patch mouth he said we may never fix all Patches health problems just control them, need to find a diet that agrees with him & stick with it but the problem is I do that & then Patch starts reacting to the food he’s been eating 24/7 sometimes I think vets do not have enough research & studies on certain health problems & they dont know what to do, its best to join facebook groups & ask people what did you do with your dog, what worked? what did he eat??
    I feed baked beef rump, sliced potato, sliced sweet potato, carrots not much put it all in a baking dish added water till it was everything was covered put in oven for 3hrs then I put thru the blender & Patch seems so much better then I gave him some kibble later on for his next meal he eats 4-5 meals a day & he started with his mouth licking & swolling, I really think 100% that kibble is the problem…
    Have you tried Royal Canine Gastro Intestinal Low Fat wet can food? in Australia we have been having problems getting any Royal Canin into Australia, apparantly R/C didn’t fill out the importation/custom forms out properly so our Royal Canine cant come into the country, the R/C Intestinal Gastro Low Fat wet tin food has different ingredient now theres no rice or corn just meat & animal derivitives, cereals derivitives of vegetables orgins, mineral, oils & fats, yeast etc Patch did real well the first can I feed him then I went back to the vets 3 days later & bought 2 more R/C Gastro low fat canned food opened 1 can gave Patch 1/2 the can then he has gulping swolloing I thought whats has happened he ate it the other day & did well then I reliesed Ive gotten cans from another batch of R/C Gastro Low fat & it had orange oil 1-2cm bottom of the can so this batch had heaps of oils, Patch cant have fish/salmon oils so this is when I bought the Rump beef steaks & started baking it with the Potato & sweet potato trying to do what teh R/C gastro canned food has but as for the Cereal I dont know what they use this R/C food comes from Europe..

    I hope something in this long post helps your boy, something I’m doing or what Im trying you try helps your boy, but if your boy isnt on a Protein Pump Inhibitor please ask your vet can your boy try either the Omeprazole or the Pantopazole & see how does he go & start an elimintaion cooked diet this way you can control the ingredients if you can stay away from high fat, high carbs, high fiber kibbles… Good-Luck if you do try something & your boy gets better please post a really good group I joined years ago I dont even know if its still going it was a Yahoo group called “IBDOGS” there was a lady that knew alot about IBD & told me to do Endoscope & Biopsies on Patch like Patch vet told me lst night he said we will never fix Patches health problems but we can control them & try & make him comfortable & find foods that agree with him….Metronidazole seem to help when all this happens the Metronidazole kills the bad bacteria in the stomach & small bowel & the Losec seems to keep the stomach acids down as long as he doesnt eat anything that doesnt agree with his but like you your been feding a food that agreed with him then all of a sudden its back??? I find when I rotate with a few foods Patch does ghis best this time I tried a kibble with Beet Pulp I dont know if thats what made Patch go down hill or was it STRESS??…

    #109891
    Mike S
    Member

    Thank you for the info Deb S. My wife and I are desperate. Out wheaten terrier has been battling gulpies for over 1.5 years including emergency surgery for a blockage and a near miss that needed an endoscopy. He actually was symptom free for seven months on a new food and Pepcid but the gulping episodes came back out of the blue. Vet tried hydrolized protein food, switching from Pepcid to Prylosec, and giving him Prozac thinking anxiety may be a trigger. They’ve also tried reglan/cerenia/sucralfate, and other meds listed in this forum when he’s having the episodes and even a valium suppository the last time the gulpies started. Recent biopsy came back normal. Some irritation in the upper GI but nothing significant. Tonight he’s having another episode and is inconsolable. Trying ot eat anything he can. His local vet, his emergency vet, and his neurologist are stumped. Is there any way you can share the name of the vet at Tufts who was able to help you? We’re outside of Boston but I was hoping they could share their testing, results, and suggestions with our vet(s). He’s the greatest pup and so happy when he’s healthy. We’re desperate to get him help and a cure. Thanks. Mike

    #109163
    Patty R
    Member

    I have been dog sitting my sons’ family’s adopted cattle dog mix. She is 9 months old and very well behaved…everything was fine since Christmas. Last night she started licking frantically all surfaces in the house, gulping air like she was trying burp, threw up 4 times, the contents included carpet finge from throw rugs, etc. She wouldn’t settle down. I had never seen this behavior before in any pet that we have had. Startled, my husband and I took her to the nearest vet. $634 later, after an examination, three X rays, anti nausea injection, a tox screen and fluid injection, we brought her home. She settled down quite and bit and was fine all day today until right before feeding time this evening, which is five p.m.(she gets fed twice a day). I figured she was hungry so I fed her the chicken and rice mixture the vet had recommended. She continued with the licking and I offered her water, which she drank, then she continued this frantic behavior. I finally put her in the crate her owners left for her to sleep in and she is fine now. A few burps but settled down and quiet.

    #108393
    deb s
    Member

    Hi everyone! I have a dog who has been suffering from this disorder for years. After many visits to Tufts Veterinary Hospital in Grafton, MA, the neurologists there determined these episodes to be Complex Partial Seizures. It has nothing to do with their diet. Although stress and high anxiety are related to the occurrence of these gulping, licking, swallowing, panicking episodes. We are treating with Paroxetine 40 mg daily for the anxiety and Zonisamide for the seizure. She’s been 8 months without one episode! She almost died after ripping up the wall to wall carpeting and eating as much of as it as she could during an unsupervised episode. Please consider seeing a neurologist. Even Tufts was not completely familiar with these episodes but did help us tremendously!

    #105011
    Susan
    Participant

    Hi Dana,
    what is he eating?? how high is the fiber % ?
    Look for low fiber under 4%, lower carb under 38% diets, oils can make acid reflux/nausea worse just be careful, I’d try & cook one of his meals, use easy to digest meats like turkey & chicken, get some chicken breast cut up into small pieces, just bring to the boil do not over cook as the chicken pieces. they will be like hard leather pieces & boiled some sweet potatoes or plain white potatoes, mix 1/2 chicken & 1/2 potato & some boil pumkin about 1 spoon of pumkin, I freeze boiled pumkin pieces in the freezer in those ice cube trays & take out as I need some pumkin, the pumkin thaws very quickly, pumkin soothes the stomach, you watch he’ll be better after eating a lean low fat, low fiber cooked meal then when he eats the dry kibble….
    Sometimes the dog ends up needing an acid reducer, i’d be trying an acid reducer like liquid “Mylanta” its a white powdery liquid that relieves nausea & acid reflux, I keep a small bottle in the fridge, when its cold it soothe the throat, esophagus & stomach, you give 1 teaspoon, 5mls when needed, when he’s gulping grass, my boy use to wait near the fridge for his Mylanta when he felt real sick, Mylanta was the only medication he let me give him so it must of done something to help also Slippery Elm made into a sloppy paste & kept in the fridge helps, go to health food store & get some slippery elm powder, you boil the jug & add boiled water to about under 1 teaspoon slippery elm powder & make a sloppy paste so you can pull up into a those big 20ml syringes or put on 1 teaspoon or open his mouth & put on his tongue….
    I wouldnt be giving any oils, you need to work out what is causing the problem, why is he’s getting nausea??
    the only test that will give vet some answers is to have an Endoscope & Biopies done the biopies will tell the vet whats going on, my boy had Helicobacter-Pylori this makes them feel real sick & have bad acid reflux, I’ve had Helicobacter its awful & takes a while to get rid off, but first try changing his diet, then you watch him after he eats, does he seem uncomfortable when he kibble is he better after he eats his cooked meals……..

    Have you tried “4Health” Special Care Sensitive Stomach dry formula?? its Egg & Potato very easy to digest ingreients, is low in fiber-3%, low in fat-13% & carbs-40%, also has probiotics & prebiotics in it…. give it a go & see if there’s an improvement with his stomach… I’ve heard alot of really good results with the “4health” Sensitive Stomach & Sensitive Skin formula’s..

    #105009
    Dana N
    Member

    I have a Bernese Mountain Dog with this issue. Gulping, swallowing, drooling with eyes that say “please help me” and a desperate need to eat grass. After reading lots of blogs, I have come to the conclusion that it is nausea and I am going to try 1) Digize Essential Oils when he has his next episode, a probiotic in his food and wetting his food…. wish us luck.

    #104542
    anonymous
    Member

    Below is an excerpt from http://animaldentalspecialist.com/safe-and-appropriate-chew-toys-for-dogs/
    Click on link for full article. Hope this helps.

    Fractured pet teeth are one of the more common dental problems encountered by veterinary dentists. Broken teeth, more often than not, have exposed pulp tissues that subsequently become infected.  Just like for humans, apical infection (apical periodontitis, dental “abscesses”) will occur in a matter of time. They are painful and cause exposure of the body to chronic bacteria infusion and inflammation. In most cases, the problem is caused by dogs being allowed to chew on objects that are just too hard for their teeth. These objects may actually be harder than the teeth.  It is important to remember the evolutionary function of carnivores…they are meat eaters. The function of carnivore oral behavior is to grasp, pull and hold prey. This is followed by cutting and tearing meat before crushing and gulping. Carnivore teeth are not designed to chew bones or other objects harder than the teeth.  Starving wild animals often have only bones to eat, however, they also break their teeth, which places them at a survival disadvantage (survival of the fittest). Wild carnivores that do eat bones are usually doing so from freshly killed prey.  Fresh bones are softer, however, they still can lead to traumatized and fracture teeth. Dental treats and chew objects should be considered as only part of preventative dental health care (please refer to information on dental diets, chews and antiseptics).  In conjunction with daily tooth brushing, dental diets and regular professional cleanings, toys and treats can play an important part of oral health care maintenance.
    Strictly avoid bones (cooked or uncooked), cow hoofs, pig ears, hard & thick rawhides, plastic or nylon bones, and large ice cubes. Tennis balls and other objects with abrasive surfaces should also be avoided as these have a sandpaper-like effect on tooth structure that damages and may expose the pulp. The flatter, softer rawhide chews have been shown to be safe and effective in reducing the rate of plaque accumulation. C.E.T. Hextra rawhide chews contain Chlorhexidine which enhances their effectiveness.
    When trying to select safe chew objects for your pet, there are two good approaches:
    General rules of thumb.
    Use products approved by the Veterinary Oral Health Council (VOHC)
    A. Rules of Thumb
    You want to be able to indent the surface with your finger nail.  Surface has some “give” to it.
    “Knee Cap Rule”: If you hit your self in the knee with the object and it hurts, it’s probably too hard/heavy for your dog.
    “Hammer Rule”: If you can drive a nail with the product, don’t allow your dog to chew on it.
    Also avoid objects with abrasive surfaces like Tennis Balls and Frisbees.
    If you cannot flex or break the product with your bare hands, it’s probably best to avoid it.
    Please take note: you should always monitor your pet when they are chewing on anything.  Verify they’re not gagging, trying to ingest too much at one time or attempting to eat an inedible product.
    B. VOHC approved products
    Although not all safe products have VOHC approval, using products with the VOHC seal of acceptance is recommended as these products have successfully met pre-set requirements for veterinary dental efficacy and safety.  A complete list of VOHC approved products can be accessed at http://www.vohc.org.

    #104313
    Susan
    Participant

    Hi Shari,
    I would be stopping the Carafate (Sulcrate) it lines the stomach so you can only give it when the stomach is completely empty so if there’s any food in his stomach the Carafate lines the food instead of his stomach & can make things worse, why has the vet got him on 3 a day? the food may not be completely digested, if he already has very low stomach acid the Carafate could be making things worse… Has he had any more gulping attacks since starting the Sulcrate or is he the same?

    If you have the money have an Endoscope & Biopsies done to see what is happening in the stomach, the Biopsies will give your vet some answers, your vet must think his mouth licking & swollowing has something to do with the stomach for him to prescribe these types of drugs..
    Ask your vet about “Gabapentin”?? it is used for seizures, pancreatitis, IBD, stomach problems, nerve pain, Gabapentin capsules covers a few health problems maybe see if he settles after taking the Gabapentin…

    Even though you have change his food to a low fat food, how high is the fiber & carbs?? Is he on a vet dry diet kibble?? the carbs will be high & so will the fiber if its a vet diet, alot of vets prescribe the Hills W/D for dogs with Pancreatitis why I’ll never know the Insoluble fiber is 28%… Dry kibble is no good when dogs have Pancreatitis, the dry kibble could be causing acid reflux in the first place, have you tried feeding a lean meat like chicken or turkey low fiber, low carb, cooked meal, chicken breast & sweet potato & just give him the Losec 20mg every morning for 1-2 weeks & see how he goes?…. that’s what my Boxer was put on a home cooked diet by the new vet but it was too late by then, her old vet had her on the Hills vet diet it made her worse but vets never blame it’s the vet diet that’s causing the gulping swllowing drolling…..

    Maybe best to have the Endoscope + Biospies done so the vet can see the stomach &
    see is there’s any stomach ulcers or anything else, the biospsies will give some answers to whats happening…could be Helicobacter-Pylori, they eat & eat like they are starving, droll, swollow gulp as well..

    #104306
    Taylor R
    Member

    Understanding that everyone is well-meaning on this site and just trying to find a solution to help their dog be at ease. While some of your dogs may be experiencing digestive/acid reflux issues, I CAN TELL YOU, beyond any doubt, and pursuant to our dog’s NEUROLOGIST, that my dog’s episodes are in fact seizures, and they DO last for hours. They are not at all related to any digestive/acid reflux issue but we had several run-of-the-mill vets diagnose it this way before the neurologist got involved. Omeprazole/prilosec, changing her diet, and other organic homeopathic meds did no good.

    The official diagnosis from the neurologist is complex partial seizures or focal seizures. They are a series of small seizures and mis-fires in the synapses in the brain. One common way they manifest is through gulping or repetitive swallowing.

    Potassium bromide worked miracles for Scarlet who has been seizure-free on the meds for 1 1/2 years and needs occasional increases in doses when she has minor breakthrough episodes.

    Another popular anti-seizure medication is zonisamide – read Hines’ story and watch video here: http://www.jasonbk.com/2014/02/hiness-gulping-a-cautionary-tale/

    Phenobarbitol is another option.

    Wish you all the best of luck in finding solutions for your pups.

    • This reply was modified 5 years ago by Taylor R.
    #104284
    Madison V
    Member

    My Wheaton was doing exactly this type of gulping. She would vomit white foam and swallow anything in her path. As a result, she injested part of a rug and some of her bedding. The vet ruled everything out and assumed they were seizure related. I noted that these episodes would occur after applying the tick and flea med, frontline. It can cause seizures in dogs. I put her on pheno and it did help for a few years. She was laid to rest in 2013. I’ll pray for your dog. This is such a stressful and strange health issue. Vets don’t seem to know what it is.

    #104276
    Shari G
    Member

    He actually goes to the vet and specialists quite often. He also has cardiomyopathy which he goes to a cardiologist every 6 months. I took him to the vet today and showed my vet the video I recorded.
    She ran a full blood panel since he was due anyways for his yearly. She said pending results we could start him on potassium bromide tomorrow. I’m just extremely nervous because from all the videos I seen of licking, gulping, seizures in dogs none appear to be excessively drooling. Everything I read says a dog excessively drools when nauseous and I’m worried giving him something he doesn’t need especially seizure meds. My vet and I already discussed if he had a brain tumor we wouldn’t operate just for the fact it would be too risky with his cardiomyopathy. This is the video from today
    https://youtu.be/2DuOMqhJ8XY

    • This reply was modified 5 years ago by Shari G.
    #104273
    Shari G
    Member

    I currently have a dog going thru the same exact thing. He’s a 9 and 1/2 year old boxer and he’s had these episodes for months now. He just had one a few hours ago and rushed him to the vet and u was also able to record it. My vet is leaning towards seizures but does anyone else’s dog drool excessively while they are gulping? For the longest time we thought he just had an upset stomach but even the anti nausea med doesn’t help.

    #104156
    Susan
    Participant

    Hi Rita,
    yes just recently Patch has had a 3 swollowing episodes after eating his breakfast in the last 3-4 months but I noticed it only happens around 8am when he hasn’t drank any water after eating his breakfast & gone for his morning walk, he just comes home & goes straight to bed & has a sleep then wakes up 20-30mins later & comes to me swollowing & gulping & wants to go outside & eat grass also I haven’t giving him his Losec yet, I give him his Losec around 8.30-9am, he has been taking 20mg Losec 20mg every day now for about 18mths now, I’d say Patches swollowing gulping is from the kibble swelling in his stomach & there’s no water & te dry kibble comes back up into throat into his mouth or his Losec dose needs to be increased & 1/2 a 20mg Losec tablet needs to be given at night 12 hours after his morning dose was given, I’ll have to talk with his Vet but first I’m making sure its not cause he doesn’t drink water after eating his breakfast & morning walk …. but I think it’s from not drinking any water after eating breakfast cause this is the only times it seems to happen around 8am, I make sure after he eats breakfast & when we comes home from his
    7.15am walk, he has a little drink of his water, I take over a bowl of water if he’s gone straight to his bed when we come home, I’m noticing he is becoming lazy or his lower back might be hurting him we have just found a weird bone growth out of the top of his back leg into his spine, we thought it’s not bothering him but after watching him closely thise last 2 months thru Winter I think this bone growth might be bothering him, Staffys are so hard to read, they don’t show when they have pain…

    I would give the Prilosec & Metronidazole twice a day for how long vet has prescribe it. How long has your vet prescribe the Metronidazole & Prilosec for?? 21 days is best, so the Metronidazole can kill the bad bacteria living in the stomach walls, then when the Metronidazole course is finished continue giving the Prilosec but only give 1 x 20mg Prilosec a day in the morning, it’s best to give Losec of a morning, works better my Gastro Dr said & so did Patches IBD vet, Prilosec doesn’t have to be taking before food like other ant acid meds need to be taken… At the moment you’d be giving the Metronidazole with food & giving them together…
    This is awful to watch but go on Google & google “My Dog having Seizure” they don’t gulp or swollow & if 1 dog licks mouth in video its cause he’s feeling sick from the seizure, he’s not gulping & swollowing like my boy does….
    When the acid comes up their throat into their mouth, they don’t know what to do so they try & swollow & swollow the acid, they need either a dry biscuit or some liquid Mylanta to soothe the acid reflux back into the stomach or grass to vomit up all the acid… I really think once your dog takes his Prilosec daily he’ll be better & more comfortable..& watch everything he does & when does he have his swollowing & gulping attack is it after eating is it when he hasnt eaten all night etc…

    #104120
    Rita M
    Member

    Susan , hi just a question …. Has your Patches had anymore episodes of gulping and swallowing? When was the last time ? My dog Ace just had another episode a week and a half ago so now the vet has him on Prilosec twice a day and metronidazole twice a day. I am considering seeing a neurologist if he has anymore episodes.

    #104089
    Shannon W
    Member

    I have finally figured out something that works for our Boxer when she does this swallowing/gulping/licking episode. I hope that it will help some of you as well. I have tried so many different things, such as massaging her to relax her, taking recommendations from her vet, letting her go out and eat grass, etc., but nothing has worked until now. As soon as she starts to do this, I give her something to eat in order to make her swallow. I use milkbones, cheese, or something of that sort. After she takes a few bites and has swallowed a few times, it goes away.

    #103384
    Wendy C
    Member

    Hi Dennis,

    I have a question after your dog has the swallowing/gulping episode, does it turn into coughing and retching? Have you noticed any episodes that start with a reverse sneeze?

    It seems like some, not all, we have an episode that triggers around a reverse sneeze. I’ve thought possible that was due to a reflux issue.

    #103038
    Taylor R
    Member

    Update on my post of 2/26/17 – Scarlet has not had ANY seizures/gupling episodes since increasing her dose to 5ml of potassium bromide ALMOST 6 MOS AGO!

    Scarlet goes to a neurologist in Sacramento, ca who confirmed that her responsiveness to the pot. brom. Means it is definitely seizures and not some gastrointestinal thing.

    Sharing the video links again so people can see if what their pups are experiencing are similar to my situation.

    Video of Scarlet’s gulping episode:
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2hsoApFbGwXbnh1cXUwZE5jRUE/view?usp=sharing

    Website that originally helped me diagnose her, read all the updates: http://www.jasonbk.com/2014/02/hiness-gulping-a-cautionary-tale/

    My email is [email protected] if anyone has any questions.

    #103033
    Patti M
    Member

    To all the parents having babies suffering from gulping. tongue smacking, vomitting, acid, upset esophagus, stomach & intestinal issues. Health food stores, definitely (GNC) sells
    1. “George’s Pure Aloe Juice. It naturally neutralizes acids & heals all in its path.
    2. “MANUKA HONEY” Is now
    being used by veterinarians, giving
    internally & using topically to kill all bad bacteria naturally, no resistance.
    3. Virgin Coconut oil added to Small meals spaced, giving GF Performance, Limited Venison can, & pure pumpkin or sweet potato in between meals as a treat. Eventually you can Gradually add GF Performance Limitted dry also back into
    their diet.
    Good Luck to all, hoping these tips will be helpful.
    God Bless.

    #102866
    Michelle P
    Member

    @Susan
    I just wanted to give you an update on Oscar. Bloodwork was done. ALT was a tiny bit above normal and Calcium was also a tiny bit above normal. During all this, I’ve always asked the vets to sedate Oscar to properly look in his mouth. FYI, he turns in Cujo at the vet office.
    Bile acid and PTH/ionized calcium were done. Bile acid was over the high normal range. He’s now on Zentonil for the liver. We asked if we caught it early enough and was told yes, very early. The PTH/ionized calcium were elevated. PTH (normal 0.5-5.8) is 3.98 and Ionized calcium (normal 1.25-1.45) is 1.47. He has been diagnosed with mild hypercalcemia. If the ionized calcium elevates the diagnosis will be primary hyperparathyroidism. Will be rechecking in August. The next step would be ultrasound and surgery to remove the parathyroid gland/s.
    Oscar was still gulping/smacking/swallowing more and more and having funky breath. A prior vet insisted I do an endoscopy as she was certain it had to do with his GI. I was positive it was his teeth because of the symptoms. She said she looked at them and they were fine. Oscar was muzzled for the vet to examine him. Yeah, right she could examine his teeth properly.
    I made an appt. to have his teeth looked at with our current vet. Yup, that’s the problem. He had 4 teeth removed as they were fractured at the root. This also happened last August and he had 4 teeth removed then (by another vet but didn’t do x-rays). We just thought it was from chewing on a knuckle bone. Our current vet has a dental x-ray machine and showed me his poor little teeth. It’s because of the hypercalcemia.
    He has his teeth extracted on Wednesday and his gulping thing has disappeared by 98%. He used to hack a lot to, even after drinking water or getting excited. That’s gone too.
    I look forward to the future and enjoying many years with my wonderful Poochie.
    Thank you for your advice and help. 🙂
    I will update you after the next round of blood work is done.

    #102588
    Rita M
    Member

    Hi just found this forum and was glad to finally find others going through what I am with my dog. Ace is a border collie mix who started the crazy double swallowing/gulping then frantically licking the floor , bedding everything. He would continue this and has eaten rugs bedding waterhog rugs anything really , then finally throwing up. This was all while I was at work . The first time it happened was maybe 3 1/2 years ago. That time he ate lots of a Berber rug runner ….. Boy was I scared when I came home and saw that. We spent that night throwing up and pooping strands of Berber fibers!
    This happened again a year later, no rug to chew so he ate his bed! And the stuffing inside! Again happened while I was at work , and I spent the night running him outside to throw up.
    In the last six months 4 times he has done the frantic licking at night and I have been able to get him outside and walk him a bit to stop him.
    I have gone to the vet and had blood work and X-ray done ….nothing . Of course he is fine when I go and the vet has never heard of this happening. She did give me Prilosec and famotidine for acid reflux and this just because I asked for it.
    She says the next step would be an ultra sound and maybe some anxiety medicine like prosaic ?
    Are these really gonna help? Have any of you found anything that works and stops these attacks from happening? Thanks for any comments.

    #101787
    Kona88
    Member

    My dog JUST had her first episode of this last night and had another one this morning. I didn’t bring her to the vet because she didn’t seem to be in pain and I honestly just thought she swallowed a hair and it got stuck and was trying to eat anything she could to maybe dislodge it and help it move down her throat. Plus it subsided in a few minutes. It hopefully won’t be a chronic problem, but so far the only people that have this issue seem to be dealing with it over a long period of time so now I’m nervous. I adopted her 3 weeks ago and she is a 1 year old 50 lb mixed breed (looks maybe part chocolate lab or German short haired pointer). I also volunteered at the shelter she was at and in the month she was there, I never noticed an episode. I have a few things I wanted to add to the discussion to see if any one else experienced anything similar.

    The first is that she frequently gets hiccups…..was wondering if anyone else’s dog with this problem also does?

    Another is that I changed her diet almost 2 weeks ago which is sort of recent, but I feel like symptoms would have shown earlier if it was triggered by her food. She also stayed at a family member’s house for a few days and I just got her back a few days ago, but while she was there she had really bad diarrhea, which we attributed to her getting into the dog food at their house. Once she got home her stomach still seemed a little agitated, but her stools were solid again. She has been a little gassy, but gets especially gassy in conjunction with these gulping fits.

    The last thing I have to add is that a couple days ago, my mom thought she noticed a flea in the house so she gave all of our animals a dose of some otc topical flea and tick medicine. I am not sure if the dogs at the shelter got flea and tick medicine or not, and if so then what type/when she had her last dose, but I do know that this is the first dose she has gotten while she has been with me and it is the closest change in anything we give to her to these episodes. I noticed that someone said these fits sort of come in monthly waves and I was wondering if they maybe come close to when they give their monthly flea/tick preventative or if they’ve tried changing or withholding their dog’s preventative to see if it stops the gulping fits? I am thinking it could be some sort of weird reaction to the medicine…

    #101721
    Angela F
    Member

    Hi, I have a Yokie/Maltese female, will be a year old on the 7th of June. I had noticed she ate a lot of grass. She is a picky eater too.
    Tonight she was sleeping next to me, after a good day of playing outside. She loves to run… anyway she awoke with a fright, and started gulping, licking and swallowing fast. She even scared me when she woke up so fast and I could tell she was very frightened. I picked her up really fast and calmed her a bit. She lay back down even closer to me than before. Yet she was still a bit nervous and continued to lick… etc… ! So I decided to look up the symptoms. I found Molzy( not sure of the spelling) post.
    I do think it is related to her throat, and high fat diet. I don’t give her food with much fat, but my mom-in-law likes to sneak her food. As she was with her for awhile today, I believe she gave her a treat. So I just want to say thank you all for helping me feel a little better. I will watch her more closely now and buy an anti-acid for her.
    Good luck to all of you and God bless you all for having such caring hearts.❤️

    #101720
    Angela F
    Member

    Hi, I have a Yokie/Maltese female, will be a year old on the 7th of June. I had noticed she ate a lot of grass. She is a picky eater too.
    Tonight she was sleeping next to me, after a good day of playing outside. She loves to run… anyway she awoke with a fright, and started gulping, licking and swallowing fast. She even scared me when she woke up so fast and I could tell she was very frightened. I picked her up really fast and calmed her a bit. She lay back down even closer to me than before. Yet she was still a bit nervous and continued to lick… etc… ! So I decided to look up the symptoms. I found Moxeys post.
    I do think it is related to her throat, and high fat diet. I don’t give her food with much fat, but my mom-in-law likes to sneak her food. As she was with her for awhile today, I believe she gave her a treat. So I just want to say thank you all for helping me feel a little better. I will watch her more closely now and buy an anti-acid for her.
    Good luck to all of you and God bless you all for having such caring hearts.❤️

    #101707
    Michelle P
    Member

    I will phone the vet on Monday when he’s back in and let him know I’d prefer a 21 days of the meds. He said he should be feeling better by Sunday. I will continue with the Nexium too. I will see the vet on Thursday for a follow up. I totally forgot about asking about the omeprazole but will when I talk to him on Monday. I already see a difference in Oscar. Last night was a good night compared to previous nights. What time of the day do you give Patch the omeprazole? The 1st day I gave it to him was 1pm (after I got the prescription) and noticed come 3am he was gulping/swallowing. The next day I gave it to him at dinner time and noticed the gulps didn’t start till about 7am. Last night he only gave a couple hacks (11:40pm & 5:30am) and a gulp/swallow at 9am.
    Let’s hope today/night is better.

    #101696

    In reply to: Food stuck in throat?

    Mike E
    Member

    Well, I’m now pretty much 100% sure it was the bigger kibble from the sportmix… I wetted his food for a week and he’s fine. I switched over to Victor Premium again with the smaller kibble it has and he’s been fine. We still had 3/4 of a bag of the Sportmix so it’s being fed to his much bigger and more voracious “sister” who gobbles it up like a piggy. I gave the sister her 2 scoops of sportmix this morning and am off to grab the victor the our little choker and he comes RACING in and steals some of her food, gulping it whole in front of my eyes. Guess what. he got a piece caught in his throat and started wheezing again (even did the “stretch neck out near the floor as he tried to swallow it down). I shoo’d him away from his sister’s food and fed him his Victor… flawless…. It seems the sportmix is JUST big enough for him to swallow (it’s not massive) but also just beg enough to get stuck vs. the small bites that Victor is…. So smaller bites it is

    • This reply was modified 5 years, 4 months ago by Mike E. Reason: spelling
    #101685
    Michelle P
    Member

    Thank You All for your advice. I have never self medicated my dog. Only what the vet recommends. The vet said the Nexium brand was better (and much more expensive) than a generic for this situation. I take him in this afternoon and will be bring my journal and questions I have. This morning, the diaherra is back. I will be taking a urine and feces sample with me.
    I demanded May 2, x-rays to be done as he was originally diagnosed with Congestive Heart Disease and a Grade III Heart Murmur March 30 without x-rays. He’s negative for that but was told he had mild collapsing trachea. Upper airway irritation or infection as an exacerbating problem may be considered. An esophogram was done at the same time and was good. Was prescribed hycodan for cough and clavaseptin. I didn’t see a difference. 5 years ago, xrays were done as Oscar was hacking back then. Vet prescribed cephalexin and it went away but of course has come back.
    I just bought Weruva Funky Chunky wet food. I will be giving that to him for his next meal. I’ll be mixing some rice and boiled chicken with it, or should I just give the Funky Chunky? I may stop to buy the other Weruva flavours you mentioned.
    Like I mentioned in my prior post, Oscar only starts this gulping/swallowing/hacking when he’s laying down or during the night when he’s sleeping. This morning (3:30am) he did a hack and then leaned his head over the bed. Not sure if that makes him feel better.
    I’ll do what I can to make sure my baby lives the rest of his life comfortably. Since May 2, he has lost .6lbs. He weighed 18.6 and now he weighs 17.8 which I think is a great weight for him.
    Fingers crossed I’ll be getting to the bottom of this…..SOON. 🙂

    #101677
    Susan
    Participant

    Hi Michelle P,
    the only thing that will give you answers is a Endoscope + Biopsies…..X-rays will be a waste of money, X-rays do not show what’s happening in the stomach…
    Sounds like what happens with my boy, I was back at the vets Tuesday doing full blood test that were a waste of money, they showed nothing, blood test came back all good….
    It very hard to work out what’s happening when its the Intestinal tract, the only why to know what’s wrong is thru biopsies, so either do an Endoscope + Biopsies which is the easiest way or cut open & do Biopsies, I said NO again on Tuesday cause you still treat with the same medications & just have a name for what type of IBD it is….I asked to put my boy back on the Triple Therapy medications, Metronidazole, Clarithromycin & Omeprazole (Losec) for 14 -21 days to kill the Helicobacter again, your boy may have the Helicobacter-Pylori why didn’t the vet put him on Omeprazole (Losec) instead of the Nexium?? they’re the same type of drug an acid blocker, PPI, it takes 12-24hrs for a Pump Protein Inhibitor (PPI) Nexium, Losec, Somac, start to work if the diarrhea doesn’t stop ask vet can he put him on Omeprazole instead of the Nexium, Omeprazole firmed Patches poos up & Zantac didn’t help Patch…when he’s gulping give some liquid Mylanta I keep a small bottle in the fridge it keep it cold it soothes the esophagus & stomach & stops the gulping straight away & they can sleep…Omeprazole is a blocker & sends a msg to the brain to stop making the excess hydrochloric acid in the stomach where Zantac is just like taking liquid Mylanta it just covers the acid reflux but it doesn’t stop it, once you stabilize him he will get better, feed a low fat, low carb, low fiber diet, it’s best to cook meals, boiled sweet potato is good when they don’t want to eat, sooths the stomach same as boiled pumkin, not much about 2 spoons mixed thru the chicken or turkey…
    Maybe look for a low fat wet tin food make sure you email the pet food company to get the fat % as it isn’t converted to dry matter (Kibble) yet, so 4%min fat is around 16 to 20%max fat when converted to dry matter (Kibble), I was feeding the Hills I/D Chicken & Vegetables stew but they have changed the ingredients & it has Beet Pulp now, beet Pulp seems to make my boy acid reflux worse, do not mix kibble & wet tin food, feed one or the other or make sure you feed at least 6 hrs apart….Sometimes a dog needs to stay on a low dose of Metronidazole just take once a day, once the dog has finished the 21-28 day course, try & stay with the same vet so pick the vet you thought was better & helped more, find out the vets working hours, Patches vet only works Tuesday & Thursday..

    Join this Face Book group- “Canine Diabetes Support & Information Group” & look in the “Files” 2nd post- 2017- C.D.S.I foods, scroll down for the wet tin foods they have all been converted to dry matter fat & they don’t have Beet Pulp a fermentable fiber, that most vet diets have for bowel problems….
    *Weruva can/tin –
    Cirque de la Mer -fat 9.8%
    Bed & Breakfast -fat-12.4%
    Grandma Chix Soup-fat-12.5%

    *Natures Recipe
    G/F Chicken recipe in broth-fat-11.11%
    G/F Chicken Wild Salmon recipe in broth-fat-11.11%

    * Simply Nourish
    G/F Chicken & Beef Stew-fat-11.76%
    G/F Chicken & Venison-fat-11.76%

    *Pure Essentials
    G/F Salmon Recipe in broth-fat-11.76%

    #101675
    Michelle P
    Member

    I have a 13yr old Shih Tzu X, Oscar. Up until 1.5 years ago, he was full of vinegar and acted like he was 2. He is white/biscuit colour and never had dark eye staining or staining on his muzzle. He also started the gulping/swallowing/hacking around the same time. The vets never thought there was anything wrong. I just wasn’t convinced that the staining was natural if he never had it before. I put him on Merrick Limited Ingredient kibble and wet food. It helped the staining a bit but not the gulping.
    In January, the vet recommended to put him on RC Hypoallergenic Kibble. No change, I think it made it worse. We put him back on Merrick. Since mid April, his gulping/swallowing/hacking is happening more and more often. May 18, we took him to a vet (ours wasn’t available) and suggested we give him Zantac 10mg 2X daily. By May 21, the diaherra was horrible. It was pure liquid. So, we rush him to the vet on the Sunday (same clinic that suggested to give him Zantac, but different vet) and he gives us Metronidazole 250mg every 12hrs and Hills Prescription ID Chicken Stew. After a couple days he was getting better and the gulping thing was happening less. Oscar was sleeping better throughout the night. May 25, we took him to our vet for a check to make sure all is going well. He told us to stop giving him the meds as his poop had firmed up and told us to feed Oscar RC Gastrointestinal kibble. I have it to him for dinner with the ID wet stew. 2 hours later the gulping/swallowing/hacking returns to how it was prior to the metronidazole. I stopped giving him the kibble. I took Oscar back and told the vet and showed many videos of what he does. He thinks it’s acid reflux and prescribes Nexium 20mg, giving 1/2 pill daily. Last night and during the night was awful. Every 2-2.5hrs he was having the gulping thing. It only happens when he’s laying down or sleeping. He has never vomited, until this morning. It was a foamy, very pale yellow bile.
    I called the vet this morning and have to take him back tomorrow afternoon. So, I’m thinking now he may have IBD as the Metronidazole was starting to clear up his symptoms. I read it can take up to 5-7 days for the meds to totally kick in. I keep a journal and was reading back on my notes and thinking he should be back on the Metronidazole. I have been feeding him boiled chicken, rice with 1/4 can of the ID wet stew 2-3X daily. I prepare his food 3X a day but he doesn’t always eat but does 2X daily. He drinks water and has normal bowel movements.
    Does anyone have some advice? Could I be on to something? If it is IBD, will the Nexium even help? Is there anything I can give him tonight to help with the gulping/swallowing/hacking?

    #101216
    anonymous
    Member

    Also, is she gulping down her food too fast? If so, you may want to get one of those dome dishes designed to slow down her eating.
    Hopefully her issues are stress related and as she feels safe in her new home, they will go away. If they don’t, I’m sure your vet may suggest additional diagnostic testing.
    Otherwise, I would give her a little time to adjust.
    Can she tolerate a bite of chopped up broiled chicken liver mixed in with her kibble? It’s yummy and fattening. Of, course, if your vet wants her on a strict diet for now, listen to him, not me.

    #100964
    Susan
    Participant

    Hi Wendy yes there was another lady with the exact same problem with her little dog about 1-2 yrs ago…. stay in the Forum section & click on “Diet & Health” and all people’s post come up that have been posted or put “Acid Reflux” in the “Search” bar up the top & all these people post will come up asking why is their dog “Swallowing & Gulping”…
    When I first rescued my boy he was put on a high fat vet diet Hypoallergenic HP kibble for his skin problem, then one night I hear this sound coming out of the bedroom, I thought what’s he’s doing, he should be sleeping, I go & have a look & he was sitting up swallowing, swallowing & gulping & very stressed out, he even growled at me & he had never done that before that’s when I knew something wasn’t right, I didn’t know what was wrong, I went & told the vet nurses the next day & 1 vet nurse said that sounds like bad acid reflux coming up into his mouth, she asked what’s he eating, I told her Royal Canin HP Dry Kibble, she looked it up on computer & said, we have to ask your vet can he change the formula to another formula the fat is too high it;s 19% fat, the vet wouldn’t listen & change the vet diet he said it needs time to work (a load of bull) Patch ended up with Pancreatitis the following week, I didn’t know all this stuff, high carb kibble diets cause acid reflux, high fat kibble diets cause acid reflux….
    What is she eating?? it’s best to feed a home cooked meals… I do both, cooked/wet tin & a premium kibble & try & stay under 40% with the carbohydrates with kibbles…
    Talk to your vet, just hope he’s not a stubborn vet like some are, just won’t listen they think they’re more superior & if you mention your read this or that on the internet gee some vets don’t like it, go with your gut if something the vet says doesn’t sound right then question it or get a new vet like I did with Patch, Patch saw 4-5 vets until I got the lady vet we see now, she is into holistic & natural way of treating animals & Patch has responded really good with her & he see’s a specialist vet at the same office for his IBD….

    #100949
    Wendy C
    Member

    Hi All,

    I’m new here but my issue isn’t. I have a 7 1/2 year old female Miniature Pinscher that has been dealing with these episodes for years. I was originally told it was a bronchial issue caused by unknown allergens in or around my house. I was also told that there was a post nasal drip, which caused the swallowing, the nausea was due to the swallowing of the saliva, the coughing was an irritation in the throat from the allergen etc. I would give her Benadryl which never has helped. Peanut butter, to calm the hacking or dry biscuits to help with nausea but they continued…and I went on for years thinking I at least had some idea of what was happening. Now I’m feeling a little lost because I think it is all wrong.

    Pepper has two types of episodes, the first is the hard swallow, hours of running outside to eat grass, followed by a retching cough (the cough looks and sounds like kennel cough) and loud burps. If she whines, it almost does sound like she has a sore throat. In these episodes, she may or may not also experience reverse sneezes that seem to go on forever. Most episodes happen late at night and last anywhere from a few hours to 24 hours, except for the last three.

    The 2nd type of episode, which I have only seen 3 or 4 times in the last few years, looks like a facial seizure, there’s rapid licking, swallowing and gulping which is very fast for a few minutes and then this crazy run to the backyard to eat grass. then the hard swallowing for a bit and then it eventually subsides and she’s fine. This episode happened most recently about a month ago while we were sitting on the floor playing.

    A week ago she had an episode with the hard swallowing and it was the first time that she started to bite at the carpet. (i posted the video on IG… and provided the link below…note I’m not looking for followers, just want to show what I’m experiencing…)

    https://www.*********.com/p/BTw6LZSgtmn/?taken-by=wendyclaypool

    The carpet biting was new so I posted the video since no one I know had experienced any of the same things I was dealing with. I started to feel alone and crazy (because they were happening mostly at night and I was the only one seeing them). Once I posted the video people started bringing up the possibility of acid reflux which I started researching, which led me here.

    We had a really bad episode this past weekend which prompted me to make another vet appointment and now I’m wondering if it’s worth it. I will go and she will show no symptoms because as I’m typing this, she’s running around like everything is normal once again. I would like to find out if I can safely give her pepcid but I don’t want to self-diagnose. My goal is just to make sure she is comfortable and to save her from the stress. Just feeling like I’m back at square one.

    #100635
    Susan
    Participant

    Hi Charisma sounds like his Helicobacter is back & it’s BAD.. Patch gastro specialist told me,
    all dogs have the Helicobacter but cause they have a healthy gut it doesn’t take over but dogs with IBD the Helicobacter seems to take over….
    this happened with Patch the Helicobacter kept coming back real bad until I left him on the Losec (Omeprazole) ant acid reducer we were going around & around in circle as soon as I killed the Helicobacter & stopped the Triple Therapy, 3-4 weeks later it was back taking over his stomach again, then I did soooo much research & spoke with my Gastrointestinal Specialist Dr & he said give him the triple therapy course meds again BUT this time we changed the Amoxicillin too another stronger antibiotic that is used to kill the Helicobacter, I cant remember name, it started with a C, he also said this time when the course is finished he must stay on the a stronger ant acid reducer Omeprazole (Losec)…..
    Your boy needs the triple therapy 21 day course again, maybe he was never given it??? did he ever take Metronidazole (Flagyl) he would of improved while taking it then when it finished he would of went down hill again some dogs stay on a very low dose of the Metronidazole for the rest of their lives….
    Ask vet for Metronidazole, Amoxcilin & Losec & after the 21 days when Metro & Amoxicillin is finished he must stay on the Losec 20mg, Losec is best given of a morning…..Losec is called Prilosec in America…. also you can not just stop taken Losec after it has been taken for 3-4 weeks, it needs to be reduced real slowly cause the Hydrochloric acid in the stomach comes back full on, triple amounts of Hydrochloric acids are made & your in a lot of pain until the stomach works out the right amount Hydrochloric acid to make, sorta what’s happening now to his stomach, I always make sure I tell people so they know this, you can miss one dose of Losec cause it last in the body for 24 hours but then you need to take the Losec,….
    I cant believe the Vets haven’t pick this up…… after 4-5 days after taken the triple therapy meds he will be a new dog & sleep again he’ll start to feel better again & wont be starving hungry all the time & have stomach pain, the Metro & Amoxicillin must be given every 12 hours with a meal, I think the Losec is taken just the once a day, I cant remember cause Patch was put on Zantac in the beginning taken twice a day but the Zantac didn’t help his acid reflux.. feed 4-5 smaller meals a day & change his diet….can you cook his meals & freeze them? also give some Liquid Mylanta 4-5 mls 1 teaspoon, it will settle his stomach & help kill the Helicobacter, for now if he’s up thru the night, researchers have found when Pepto Bismol is given with the Triple therapy meds it kills the Helicobacter as well, I gave it to Patch for 5 days then he didn’t want the Pepto Bismol no more so I stopped given it to him & went back to the Mylanta only when he needed it thru the night …. I know when something works for Patch he lets me give it to him but when a medication causes any side effects he runs away & doesn’t want that medication…. Mylanta seem to work better & it doesn’t have asprin in it like the Pepto Bismol has..
    I’ve had the Helicobacter years ago before I rescued Patch & you are starving hungry 1 hour after you eat, the food takes away the pain but as soon as food is digest it all starts over again & the acid in your stomach is awful, norring feeling in stomach, you feel depressed & miserable….Patches vet tells me Patch was very lucky I rescued him cause she wouldn’t of thought about Helicobacter but cause I’ve had it 3 times in my 20’s I knew all the symptoms….
    He needs Losec (Omeprazole) ASAP & the Metronidazole, my vet gives me repeat scripts for the Losec & Metronidazole so I can just go to chemist & get when needed & since Patch has been on the Losec he sleeps thru the night & is doing really well also he needs gluten free diet low fiber, low carbs & no beet pulp diet, the Beet Pulp breeds the Helicobacter more…I would be trying a new diet as well, look at the Canidae Pure Meadow Senior kibble it will keep him feeling fuller longer & is easy to digest & feed some of his other meals with cooked sweet potato & a lean white meat all put thru a blender or finally cut up he’d be gulping his meals…. also can he eat the Royal Canine Hypoallergenic wet formula instead of the LOw Fat Intestinal? the fat is low at 2.5% email Royal Canine America what’s the fat % is when converted to dry matter (Kibble) it say’s 2.5% so converted would be around 7-9%max fat if it were a kibble the American HP wet tin is lower in fat then the Australian made R/C HP wet…. but when the fat & protein is lower the carbs are higher….
    I hope ur vet listens & you gives you the Triple therapy meds or even if you can get the Metronidazole & the Losec you will see a big difference in 1 week, I know when Patch feels better he’s naughty & gets all his toys out..

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